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Hello

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friends and welcome back to your weekly Linux talk

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show. My name is Chris. My name is Wes.

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And my name is Brent. Hey

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gentlemen. Well, coming up in this episode,

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we're going to discuss some uncomfortable truths

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about using Linux. And

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then we're going to introduce a new

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segment called Will It Nix? And

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this week we're throwing NextCloud in

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the Nix blender. We'll tell you all about it and

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then we'll round the show out with some boos, some

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pics and more. So before we go

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any further, let's say time appropriate greetings

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to that virtual lug of ours. Hello Mumble

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Room. Hello Chris. Hello Wes and hello Brent.

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Hello. Hello. Shout

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out. Shout out to all of you. We got the

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mascot in there. We got Dan and others that are

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in Fosdom right now, but hanging out in the Mumble

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Room with us while they're at Fosdom live going on.

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Pretty great, quiet listening and

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all that. Dtates at jupiterbroadcasting.com/mumble.

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know what I do say and I say it with pride.

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tailscale.com/ Linux Unplugged.

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Well, we're getting pretty close to scale.

2:02

We are five Sundays until we

2:04

hit the road. That's coming up

2:06

quick. Yep. All right. And

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I just, you know, I basically put that line item

2:11

in there for Brent. Thank you. So

2:13

he knows how close we're getting. My anxiety just went

2:15

up for some reason. I don't know why. You know,

2:17

I just got to get everything finalized and then you

2:19

won't. When I tell you how many Sundays and you

2:21

have everything figured out, you'll be like, that's great. Break

2:24

it to the cats now. I'm seeing

2:26

some excitement about NixCon North America on

2:28

the general Internet. It's getting

2:30

around. People are asking about live streams and whatnot.

2:33

I don't know exactly what their

2:35

plans are, but we have some live stream

2:37

plans that we're going to talk about for

2:39

our trip down there. So we are

2:41

leaving in about, you know, five weeks. And

2:43

when we're on the road, I want to do a couple

2:46

of live streams. So

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on the 12th, the 14th, the 15th and

2:50

the 17th, we're going to have different streams.

2:52

We'll get them all figured out on the

2:54

calendar and whatnot. But I tell

2:56

you that now so you can go get a podcasting

2:58

2.0 app because they're going to

3:00

be lit live streams and we'd love to have you there.

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So our idea is to kind of capture the moment on

3:05

the drive down before we get to scale. We'll do a

3:07

live stream and hang out with everybody. And

3:10

then the morning before NixCon, I'd

3:12

like to capture our thoughts, take any

3:14

questions people might have, which

3:17

also be before scale. Just kind of get capture the

3:19

state of the mood and all of that. And then

3:22

on the 15th, which will be we've gone for a

3:25

couple of days, you know, a day we've seen it.

3:27

We've got an idea of day one and day two,

3:29

what that's like. We'll do another live stream in the

3:31

evening to kind of give everybody our first impressions

3:33

of how scale and NixCon are going. And

3:36

then we'll do another live stream

3:38

on the 17th for Linux

3:40

Unplugged itself from Pasadena, perhaps from

3:42

scale. And we'll put that all

3:44

up on the calendar soon. And then, of course, we've also got our

3:47

lunch, which is going to

3:49

be on Saturday, the 16th, meetup.com/Jupiter broadcasting for

3:51

all those details. Yeah, I've seen some folks

3:53

coming in there. Looks like it should be

3:56

good turnout. Good. Yeah, the Yardhouse is

3:58

a great facility for that. get

4:00

an idea of how many folks are going ahead of time,

4:02

we'll call them up and give them a heads up so

4:04

that way they know. But it's a big

4:06

facility and it's going to be during lunch.

4:08

But I just wanted to take a moment and thank the audience.

4:10

We reached our goal to

4:12

make scale possible, which is just incredible. Thank

4:15

you everyone. We did a little

4:17

celebration after the boost a couple of episodes

4:19

ago, but I just wanted to take a moment and say thank you again.

4:22

And you're absolutely welcome to continue to send those boosts

4:24

in to get us to scale because we'll

4:26

either put it towards the trip if the price – I kind

4:28

of expect the price to dip and march myself because

4:32

the bank short-term lending program goes away. And I think that's

4:34

going to be kind of rough liquidity-wise and I think it's

4:36

going to cause Bitcoin to go down in price. So you're

4:39

welcome to continue to boost in and we'll put it towards

4:41

there. Either way, if price doesn't go down, we'll put it

4:43

towards the trip. And boost

4:45

any questions you have. You want us to answer

4:47

about Nix, NixCon, Scale, anything like that.

4:50

And then last but not least, one more thing to make

4:52

mention of. We do have that scale matrix chat. So if

4:54

you're going to be in Pasadena, if you're going to be

4:57

at scale, we have a link to a matrix chat room

4:59

for people to organize, I guess,

5:01

whatever you do in chat rooms, but hopefully nicely.

5:04

A chat. Oh, in a chat

5:06

room. How about that? And to mention

5:08

it again, we had some listeners meet up from

5:11

FOSDEM. We have a nice

5:13

little matrix room where folks have been organizing.

5:16

And I woke up to some lovely photographs

5:18

of people who met our dear friend, Carl,

5:21

who's there as well and met up with

5:23

some folks. And

5:25

listener Freak VH, I

5:27

think, sent a message that I thought describes

5:29

it really well. So at the meetup earlier,

5:31

today says it was great to meet everyone,

5:33

although I have no idea who all

5:36

of you are now. I forgot to

5:38

match the online handles to the faces.

5:41

Now here's how he describes some of them.

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Thank you for showing up. A

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red backpack guy, bearded UK neutrino

5:49

guy, Romanian entrepreneur, Danish offensive, but

5:51

in a good way guy, and

5:53

codeberg cheap UBS guy. Oh, Dutch

5:56

bow tie and sent to us guy as well. And

5:59

Freak was then. Described as dandy dutch guy

6:01

with whom I'm totally not jealous of

6:03

his outfit. So. If

6:06

you're interested in some far as them videos

6:08

they have that up as well which I

6:10

would say they've got a processing status page

6:12

which is like okay. They

6:14

know they're doing so I think we can

6:16

see those videos and it's sincere for his

6:18

it I always and much better remembering everyone's

6:21

online handled the main their actual name's. Barry.

6:23

My So I'm and so I will probably if

6:25

I meet you in person call you by your

6:27

handles as a as a nice That's what crystallizes

6:29

right? That's where you started building a relationship and

6:31

yep yep yep. also on my tombstone I'm I

6:34

would like to say he was slightly offensive but

6:36

in a good way. This is Patty become that

6:38

guy as you like how you want to be

6:40

described regular museum pushing it a little bit. You

6:42

make people think and it's a good thing as

6:44

I feel like that would be a goal for

6:46

me as aspiration. on. Let's

6:49

shift gears. We get. So.

6:51

Excited about all of the great things

6:53

and development in Linux. And

6:56

yeah be cast affairs and pipe wire and next

6:58

O s are just as to name a few

7:00

that we think have so much potential in this

7:02

landscape that we've talked about just semi race recently.

7:05

But. With everything we love, it is not so

7:07

perfect that it cannot be criticized. As a wise

7:09

man once said, And. There are

7:11

uncomfortable truths about using linux a full

7:14

time that you will have to deal

7:16

with. And. Be okay living with

7:18

in my opinion. And some of

7:20

them. Are. The ones that hit me the

7:22

hardest and I wanted to share them with you guys today

7:24

and maybe we could just have a low groups as I'd

7:26

also like to know if the audience has any that they

7:28

think are just. For. Of compromises the

7:30

right word, but it's kind of what's on my

7:33

mind. It's like this is this uncomfortable thing you

7:35

just have to live with to use linux. I.

7:38

Really feel like. Still, Today

7:40

despite everything Sounds has done. Gaming.

7:43

On just actual desktop linux.

7:46

Can. Be not always great.

7:49

And when it gets you, it can get you

7:52

the worst time. So. This.

7:54

Friday. Dylan. Text message me

7:56

his dad I'm and love to get some time to play some.

7:58

See us go. Like. Okay, I'm not gonna

8:00

say no to that. And I said to

8:02

him, on your way home, stop by

8:04

the studio, have Hadiya drop you off, and

8:06

we'll hang out here for a couple of hours, and we'll

8:09

play some CSGO here at the studio. So

8:11

bring your laptop. And

8:13

okay, great, that sounds fantastic. So he gets here.

8:16

And as soon as I tell him to come, he's about

8:18

25 minutes away. Coming from

8:20

school, he's gonna stop by the studio. I open

8:22

up Steam, I start downloading CSGO, and

8:25

sure enough, lots of updates, right? Lots of updates.

8:28

It runs, and it runs, and it runs. And then

8:30

it has to rebuild the shaders, and then I go

8:32

through that a couple of times, actually. And

8:35

he gets in, and we try to get into

8:37

a match, and it fails to connect. We

8:40

get in the lobby together, and we try to get in and it fails to connect. Okay,

8:43

all right, well let's try Deathmatch. All right, we'll go

8:45

into Deathmatch. Okay, this is working, great. Okay, we're in,

8:47

we're finally playing this. We've been wanting to do this

8:49

for weeks. It's finally happening. And I

8:51

go to turn, just to turn

8:53

my perspective. And as

8:55

I'm turning, and this isn't a full-screen game,

8:58

my mouse leaves the window and goes to my

9:00

second monitor, and I click, and I'm clicking on

9:02

my second monitor, which then takes

9:04

the focus away from CSGO, which causes CSGO to

9:07

minimize, and now I'm just sitting at my desktop,

9:10

getting shot. So then I, you know, I'll

9:12

tab back into CSGO, and I go to move, and

9:14

this time my mouse goes off into the other screen. And

9:19

you can't move more than, you know, 30 degrees

9:22

before my mouse goes off the screen. I try

9:24

turning up mouse sensitivity, but that's only kind of

9:26

a temporary workaround, because inevitably your mouse sort of

9:28

drifts and it's off the screen, of course. All

9:30

right, so I look it up. Seems like some

9:32

people are having this issue on Wayland. Oh, okay,

9:34

it's a Wayland issue, I say to myself. That's

9:36

what I get. All right, log out, log into

9:38

X. Here we go. Fire

9:40

up CSGO under X11, and now

9:44

my no menu bar is flickering along the top the

9:46

entire time. Flicker, flicker, flicker, flicker,

9:48

flicker. And the frame rate in CSGO is probably

9:50

12. Okay,

9:52

all right. So if I go into the settings,

9:55

and I put it in windowed mode, and I put it back into

9:57

full screen mode, and I apply it both times, then

9:59

I can get the gnome flicker. to go away and my frame

10:01

rate returns. Okay, that's solved. Now's

10:03

problem, not solved. Oh

10:05

no, not solved. So now I just have more

10:07

problems under X than I had under Wayland. And

10:11

I'm looking up all these things people do. I

10:13

try these different fixes and different commands. Nothing solves

10:15

it. I'm just, I'm on, you know, current no

10:18

with multiple monitors to the right and left of the

10:20

top using Waylander X11

10:22

with an AMD Radeon 580. It's

10:25

like an old ass video card. And it

10:27

just can't be done. I have legit

10:29

disabled screens before in a similar situation and just

10:31

been like, well, I'm playing this game on one

10:33

screen and I guess I'm turning the rest off.

10:36

It's one of those moments where I'm like, don't think if I

10:38

was on a Mac or on Windows, I would be doing

10:41

this. And it's really sucks

10:43

because it really makes it a first person shooter

10:46

unplayable. And so I'm sitting

10:48

here fighting with my Linux box. Does

10:50

that mean Dylan won? Well, he just had to keep on

10:52

playing without me, you know? And it's like, well,

10:54

this was our moment to play. And

10:57

I never really, all I could do

10:59

is just, I turned up the mouse sensitivity a lot

11:02

and just tried to keep it in the center of the window. That's

11:05

some discipline. Yeah, it was not great for

11:07

me. It was not great for me. And

11:10

I just, I have the worst luck. And what

11:12

I've realized is Linux works great if it's an

11:14

appliance for gaming, like the Steam Deck. But

11:17

on a desktop, in my opinion, on a machine

11:19

you use for like work, if you don't game

11:22

regularly, these things just kind of atrophy.

11:24

And if you game on the regular, you kind of fix them

11:26

as they come up, but they

11:28

accumulate. Yeah, right. If you don't game. You need

11:31

to be on that rolling release or you'll just

11:33

get overwhelmed. Yeah, you basically just keep up with

11:35

it. Game every week or something like that. And

11:37

I game on that machine once every six months.

11:41

And every single time I sit

11:43

down to do it, something doesn't work. And

11:45

it's just for me, that's my experience. There's a lot

11:47

of edge cases. And I think it's tough there too,

11:49

right? Because in a lot of our Linux software,

11:51

I don't know, we have so much choice and we

11:53

kind of get to pick and some of the things we love about

11:55

it is we get to assemble our system together

11:57

and decide the cool software we have a lot. a

12:00

lot of nice options. And perhaps if

12:02

I go on plasma, maybe that weird gnome menu

12:04

thing, or maybe even the mouse

12:06

wouldn't be a problem. Maybe it's a gnome thing only, I

12:08

don't know. But with

12:10

games, unless you're just playing games

12:12

that you're picking and you're happy

12:14

ignoring some games, you're at

12:16

the mercy of, yeah, you know, your friends,

12:18

what other people want, and so it

12:21

can go really nicely sometimes when they pick games that

12:23

are super well supported, and other

12:25

times it's real awkward, because you're stuck and you're

12:27

like, I didn't know you wanted to play

12:29

that, and. So Fortnite came up, and

12:33

Fortnite has anti-cheat. I was

12:35

really proud because Dylan figured out how to install the

12:37

heroic installer, and then he figured out,

12:39

once heroic was installed, how to link it to his

12:41

Epic account, and then he figured out how to install

12:43

Fortnite. He got his Fortnite completely installed,

12:46

and then he hits the play button, and it launches

12:48

and crashes, and he's like, dad, what did I do

12:50

wrong? And I'm like, nothing. They

12:53

just rolled out anti-cheat recently, and now you can't

12:55

play. And so I set

12:57

him up with GeForce Now streaming, because I

12:59

already had that. I have some grandfathered Legacy

13:01

account, which is super dope sweet, because it's

13:03

at low price, and has all the video

13:05

cards. That's great. So he's playing on that,

13:07

but you know, of

13:09

course, when he's in full screen, the plasma

13:11

menu is sitting there flashing at the bottom

13:13

of the screen the entire time. It doesn't

13:15

kill his frame rate. But

13:20

it's not flawless, and it's like,

13:22

I'm sorry, dude. You know, yeah, I

13:24

know it's annoying. Oh,

13:26

and they do offer a Chrome web app you

13:29

can install. So I did that for

13:31

him, and maybe that would do better, because then

13:33

he's not doing it from the web browser, which

13:35

maybe it would, I don't know, but the play button doesn't

13:37

work in that one on Linux. It works on Mac OS

13:39

and Windows, but on Linux, when you click the play button

13:41

in their web app, in their Nvidia GeForce Now streaming web

13:44

app, you click the play button, nothing

13:46

happens. So

13:48

he's doing it through the browser. It's

13:51

just these little compromises, these little ugly truths that

13:53

are just not as smooth as you'd like it

13:55

to be. And you know,

13:57

this is what it is. It's not the end of the world.

14:00

But it's a reminder of, you know, if you

14:02

want to do these kinds of things on Linux,

14:05

and maybe it's going to be a problem on Windows too like this,

14:07

you don't game for six months and you fire it up and it's broken. I

14:10

don't know. I have never used Windows long enough to know. But maybe

14:12

I should just stick to the Steam Deck. You

14:15

know, maybe I should just stick to the Steam Deck if that's

14:17

what I want out of a machine or stick to a Nintendo or

14:19

switch a console. I mean they

14:21

have taken time to solve a lot of those

14:23

problems or at least anticipate them. And then also

14:25

they kind of manage making sure it stays

14:28

together consistently for you if you're not doing

14:30

it yourself. This is a particular target environment,

14:32

right? And then the other thing

14:34

that I think is an uncomfortable truth that I want to talk to you

14:36

guys about, and I bet you

14:38

not everybody in the audience is going to agree

14:41

with me on this, I think

14:43

there are times like right now when a

14:45

new product comes along like the Apple Vision

14:47

Pro and Linux users can feel a

14:49

little FOMO. Because if you've

14:51

got yourself a nice Linux desktop and maybe you've

14:53

got yourself a Graphene OS, I'm just describing myself

14:56

here, but you've got yourself a Graphene OS phone

14:59

and you're kind of bringing it all together with things like Next

15:01

Cloud and Image for

15:03

the images. You've rolled your own

15:05

cloud solutions. Something like the Vision

15:07

Pro comes along. And if you were to

15:09

spend that $3,500 and get that piece of kit because maybe

15:11

it would change the way you work, you kind of

15:14

have to roll all that stuff back because the

15:17

way you get data into devices like this

15:19

is through iCloud and the Apple ecosystem.

15:21

So then you kind of need to be in the Apple

15:23

Calendar system and you kind of need to be

15:25

in the photo system. You really

15:27

can't really sync with Graphene OS and you actually need

15:29

an iPhone even to use it. So you kind of

15:31

need to roll back to the iPhone, right? And it

15:33

kind of rolls back all of these sovereignty moves. You

15:36

can't just adopt the device. You've got to adopt the

15:38

ecosystem. And I think that

15:40

leads to a bit of FOMO because the

15:42

Linux user, your option is to now participate

15:45

in this ecosystem if you're not already or

15:48

miss out. And once you

15:51

start participating in this ecosystem, it's

15:53

sticky, right? I mean, I have a Graphene OS

15:55

device. I still have an Apple Watch on my

15:57

wrist. It's a very sticky ecosystem. And

16:00

I think also we

16:02

feel a little left out when it happens. I don't

16:05

know. What do you think? Am I off on this one? Has

16:07

this crossed your mind at all as this hyper

16:09

on the Vision Pro and all that? Oh yeah. I mean

16:11

it would be really neat if it was just like a

16:14

generic device that you could interface with. Even

16:16

if you had less functionality and I could just bring

16:18

in my Linux screens or something like that. I'm

16:21

obviously, you know, if

16:23

the convenience, if you can do

16:26

real workloads, it would be very

16:28

compelling. But it feels totally inaccessible

16:30

without a large switch until... I

16:33

mean I guess I could just get a MacBook

16:35

but it would feel incomplete if

16:37

I didn't also then, as you're saying, have the rest

16:39

of the services, have photos I could look at on

16:41

there easily or would I be trying to second

16:44

class it? But I mean it's already difficult on an iPhone

16:46

and it's going to be probably more difficult on

16:48

the Vision Pro at least for a while. Brent,

16:51

have you felt any of this? I bet not,

16:53

but maybe you have. Well, I think

16:55

I've gotten used to missing out actually.

16:58

Ah, okay. Because for those of us who like

17:01

really try to stick to what we believe in

17:03

in terms of privacy and the Linux ecosystem,

17:07

you just get

17:09

used to missing out on all these things and eventually it

17:11

comes around. Like there are some applications

17:15

on Linux that have totally beat

17:17

its commercial competitors. It

17:21

usually takes a few years, right? And when

17:23

it comes to some special hardware like this,

17:25

sometimes it just never comes. Despite

17:27

the efforts, you know, the best efforts of

17:30

community members and different businesses and stuff, I'm

17:32

thinking Linux phones. How

17:34

long have we been waiting for that? Yeah.

17:36

So oftentimes it feels like that's

17:39

part of the compromise that we have to

17:42

do to really stick to some of our

17:44

ideals and it sucks. Can I make a

17:46

weird comparison, Brent? And you'd be

17:48

the authority on this. It feels

17:51

a bit like a restrictive diet sometimes as

17:53

a Linux user. Maybe that's why I'm so cozy

17:55

with it. Right?

17:58

Like there's certain items that you just are... Kind

18:00

of gonna have to just restrict from your tech

18:02

diet if you want to stay as much with

18:04

Linux and your own sovereign deck Text act. Yeah,

18:07

no, we are kind of making an active choice

18:09

at times. Really? Well, I could I could get

18:11

interested in that I could dabble and Maybe

18:14

I won't this is an area that's hard for me

18:16

because I'm big on Potential

18:19

where things could be going kind of stuff. It's

18:21

fun to play with before it gets there Yeah,

18:24

that's a that type that tingles for me But also

18:26

I live in such a small

18:28

space that something that could give me virtual screens

18:30

seems extremely compelling But I've

18:32

done the math on this and I just I don't want

18:34

to roll back my transition to graphing OS and I feel

18:37

like You can't even really use this thing. You got to

18:39

scan your face with the iPhone. Yeah, exactly, right? Yeah Yeah,

18:42

I think you did nail the metaphor though because

18:45

Like I feel like my life is better with

18:47

those compromises but I don't

18:50

get to have like the ice cream Sunday, you

18:52

know, which is some of this new fangled tech

18:54

and And maybe pushing the

18:56

envelope of how I work how you work

18:58

You know in the RV would be better

19:00

with some of this new technology, but you're

19:03

giving up, you know You're necessarily

19:05

giving up something Sometimes it's just

19:07

your bank account. But other times it's like,

19:09

you know some of the deep Privacy

19:12

concerns we've been talking about for years now

19:14

around the Apple ecosystem and Google ecosystem and

19:16

all of that So it's it's such a

19:18

hard decision to make because

19:21

as geeks and nerds I think we get

19:23

super excited about this new technology and the

19:25

possibilities and just what it can do. But Yeah,

19:28

sometimes choose to just get left behind which is

19:31

sad the I don't know There's a few different

19:33

facets of like is it a new gadget what

19:36

exactly you're doing? I think the most awkward part

19:38

or most difficult part is when it's When

19:40

you know that the Linux path is not

19:42

going to present like the simplest

19:45

or most efficient solution Like if you

19:47

were just motivated purely by trying to

19:49

do X and for the cases

19:51

where Linux just isn't the natural choice I think those

19:53

are always the places it's like the most give and

19:55

you know If you're just if you're busy and the

19:57

busier you are you kind of just need that to

19:59

work Just wanted to be a solved solution. Yeah.

20:01

I mean, you can often do those things on Linux and

20:03

then sometimes there's advantages where you end up learning more about

20:06

how all the pieces fit together because you've had to sort

20:08

of tweak them and understand the pieces to even get it

20:10

to work at all. But you

20:12

can't do that for every task all the

20:14

time necessarily. But I feel like

20:16

it's not we're not always losing with Linux.

20:19

Like there are many examples where we

20:21

do win first. And

20:24

I feel like we shouldn't

20:26

be too sad in this conversation. Because

20:29

oftentimes we get some technologies and some

20:31

utilities on the Linux desktop,

20:33

but also just on Linux in general that

20:36

is years ahead of what other platforms get.

20:38

So we should be careful not to get

20:40

too sad about this. You know,

20:42

you get some, you get some. Warp.dev

20:47

slash Linux dash terminal. Yeah, the warp

20:49

terminal is coming to Linux. You know,

20:51

it's only been available for the Mac.

20:53

It's a modern Rust based terminal that

20:55

has AI built in and I've

20:57

been watching from afar wishing we could

21:00

have it on Linux because it is really sweet

21:02

and a little birdie tells me it is coming

21:04

to Linux later this February and there's a wait

21:06

list you can sign up. Warp.dev

21:08

slash Linux dash terminal is a launch

21:10

party. It's going to be some Linux

21:13

sticker pack swag. It's a

21:15

modern command line interface that has tooling you

21:17

need like AI built in. So when you

21:20

forget a command or you need like a

21:22

little refresher, maybe a template, you can smash

21:24

that hashtag and the AI,

21:26

the warp AI will suggest

21:28

the right command for you. It

21:31

is also built on top of Rust

21:33

and you know we love that. It's super

21:36

fast and performant. It has a modern text

21:38

editor right there so you can edit your

21:40

next config or your YAML file or your

21:42

Python script and it has a collaboration feature.

21:45

So when Wes has to save the day,

21:47

that makes that really straightforward. And then also

21:49

there's this warp drive feature that I think

21:52

could be really great because you can save

21:54

your parameterized commands like you know what was

21:56

that exact command to get the free space

21:58

on ButterFS, the app. actual free space, you

22:00

could just share that with me. And

22:03

I can run it later, but you can share it

22:05

with Brent and I, because there's a team feature as

22:07

well. It's a great user experience. It's also great for

22:09

developers and engineers who have to work in the

22:11

terminal, and they want something modern with things built

22:13

right in, and they want it built on

22:15

top of a really robust infrastructure. That's

22:18

Warp Terminal. And that's why I'm really glad it's

22:20

coming to Linux. At least, that's the rumor. Go

22:23

find out. Something tells me

22:26

a little bit later this month you'll

22:28

have the answer. It's warp.dev slash Linux

22:30

dash terminal. Great way to support the

22:32

show and check out a brand new

22:34

product coming to Linux. They're

22:36

really trying to reach that Linux user base, and this

22:38

is it. It's warp.dev slash

22:40

Linux dash terminal. Our

22:46

dear mini-make in the Mumber Room has an uncomfortable

22:48

truth for us. Yeah, my

22:51

problem is often with complicated PDF files

22:53

where you have some formulas where they

22:55

have fill-in stuff and stuff like that.

22:59

So they mostly work, but often

23:01

the most important things don't work,

23:03

so I'm really struggling with that.

23:06

Yeah, integrating with that business world.

23:09

I have been using with fantastic

23:11

success, Alex on self-hosted found this.

23:15

And I don't know if somebody recommended him or

23:17

what, but it's called Sterling PDF. You

23:20

throw it together in a quick Docker compose on

23:22

a VPS or wherever, and

23:24

it does, I think, dang near everything

23:27

like the pro acrobat stuff does in

23:29

a web app, including it'll do OCR

23:31

text detection. It can do

23:33

editing. It can add remove watermarks. It can split

23:36

PDFs. It can convert things to PDFs. It

23:38

can adjust the colors. You can edit

23:40

fields. You can remove change metadata. You

23:42

can add page numbers. I mean, you

23:44

can crop it. You can compress it.

23:48

It goes on and on. Oh, and it started

23:50

as 100% chat GPT-made application.

23:52

No way, really? That's what

23:54

the read me says. It's a pretty lean,

23:56

mean Docker compose. And what I've done

23:58

is. I now

24:01

put all of my Docker

24:03

instance, whatever images, whatever containers,

24:05

I put them directly on tail

24:08

scale now. Right on the mesh.

24:10

Yeah. In my Docker compose file,

24:12

I have a tail scale service

24:14

container that starts first, and then

24:16

I start Sterling PDF. I

24:18

have Sterling PDFs network mode set to

24:21

use my tail scale Docker container for

24:23

all the networking. Then

24:25

the host name for that tail scale

24:27

node is just called PDFs. In

24:30

my browser for all my wife

24:32

systems, all my kids systems, my systems, in

24:35

our web browsers, we just go to

24:37

HTTP colon slash slash PDFs, and

24:39

it takes you to the Sterling PDF app.

24:42

I don't have to set up anything in reverse proxy,

24:45

nothing in nginx config. It's

24:47

just that node goes directly on

24:49

the tail net through that service

24:51

container and exposes the application as

24:53

PDFs. Anything else is on the

24:55

tail net can just go to HTTP colon slash

24:57

slash PDFs, and access and make modifications on their

25:00

phone or on their desktop. It's

25:02

a really nice way to solve that problem. I've

25:04

been there. Okay. I'm going to have a look at that. What

25:07

about you guys? I know we're

25:09

all hardened Linux users now, but

25:11

do either one of you have an uncomfortable thing

25:14

on the day-to-day you live

25:16

with? Being the weirdo with a different OS.

25:19

Yeah. That being blamed for any

25:21

defects, it always feels like it's

25:23

personally your fault that you use

25:26

Linux and therefore process A doesn't

25:28

work. Whether or not that

25:30

process is at fault or not. It's

25:32

just the default assumption you're wrong. Absolutely

25:35

true. Boy, have I lived that. I've

25:39

lived that. Brent, do you have one?

25:41

Well, that totally touches on what I've been thinking

25:43

about for the last few days around this topic.

25:45

I knew there'd be a lot of technical issues

25:47

that we would run into, but I started thinking

25:51

about the philosophical ones. Sometimes

25:54

it just feels lonely being the only person. Your

25:57

computer club or your friend circle.

26:00

or even in your family using

26:02

the one strange ecosystem

26:04

that nothing's

26:07

supported on there. Why are you even using

26:09

this thing? And I remember, I think

26:11

those of us who are connected to the podcast right

26:13

now or even listen at home are

26:16

pretty lucky to have that sense of community.

26:19

But man, I remember when

26:21

I was first getting into Linux just feeling

26:23

like I was the only person in my

26:25

entire city who was trying

26:27

to run this thing. And so I

26:29

would say as an amazing solution to

26:31

that, just try to find some people

26:34

anywhere, like a conference or online. There's

26:37

many options now, but that

26:39

sense of loneliness and isolation hit

26:43

me hard back then and sometimes still does.

26:45

I very much have felt that in environments

26:48

where I'm working with a bunch of other people that are on

26:50

Windows or on Mac OS. As all

26:52

the Linux guy, as I go to work with a

26:54

Linux guy. And now

26:57

I'm considering cracking on this, I don't

26:59

know. Thankfully,

27:03

I totally broke Dylan's ability to boot into Windows when

27:05

I installed Nix. The Nix installer did not

27:07

detect the Windows install, like everybody says it does, and set it

27:09

up. And I have not bothered to go back and figure out

27:11

how to get that going for him. I

27:14

may have even accidentally nuked the Windows install.

27:16

I don't quite remember. Accidental. Yeah, but now

27:18

I kind of regret it because I can

27:21

overhear his friends saying, dude, why don't you just get

27:23

Windows? We

27:25

just want to play with you. Just get Windows

27:28

and get on the Xbox chat with us and

27:30

all this stuff. And I'm just like,

27:32

oh. I've sort of made him like the outsider in

27:34

his friend group. Now with the

27:36

streaming, it kind of fixes that, the stream.

27:39

But I felt kind of bad because

27:41

I remember going through that, too, and feeling like, oh, come

27:43

on, man. Just play on Windows with us. Just like, come

27:45

on, let's just play. We want to play Melvon. Let's just

27:47

put it on Windows. You know, that makes me

27:49

think of sort of

27:51

audio workflows, audio editing, making

27:54

music. You can certainly do it on Linux, and

27:56

there can be some really neat setups. We do

27:58

lots of fun stuff with Linux. Yeah, super

28:00

grateful that yeah things like Reaper and you know,

28:02

we've got more options than ever and getting really

28:04

good Yeah But I don't know if you were

28:06

just gonna sit down and do it and you

28:08

wanted to use Be assured you had access to

28:10

all the popular plugins and workflows the only way

28:12

it worked is because we kind of did it

28:14

all As a group. Yeah, like I don't know.

28:16

Yeah, you're right recommend it to others unless they

28:18

were really dedicated to like Linux

28:21

solution Yeah, we kind of

28:23

figured it out together and some of it's really fun Right,

28:25

like and you learn stuff and you gotta like turn up

28:27

wine and figure it out But you

28:29

know not necessarily simple props to the Bitcoin

28:31

dad because he has Sort of

28:34

figured a lot of us all out on his own as

28:36

he's also kind of been distro hopping at the same time

28:38

And you know how tricky that can be when you're a

28:40

new, you know You're going one day you're in Fedora the

28:42

next day you're in suits and you're trying to stand up

28:44

the same exact audio environment There can be

28:46

benefits. I mean, I think we've seen like the studio

28:48

setup here has been quite stable and you know It

28:50

just keeps working. We don't have to necessarily be at

28:53

the whims of a service provider that's changing out from under

28:55

us But the cost was

28:57

a lot of rigging rotted

28:59

mood points out to well, you know There's just

29:01

an uncomfortable truth of using Linux that we've gotten

29:03

really used to I think is there's applications

29:06

missing like for him. It's reason Um,

29:08

right that's better than ever Yeah,

29:11

like I I have to make like

29:13

a little thumbnail for our live streams

29:16

and you know for a year now I've been just making

29:18

that in photo pee and I Generate

29:21

the image now with stable diffusion where before I used to

29:23

have to create it from scratch Now

29:25

I generate it with stable diffusion and I edit and photo

29:28

pee all in a web browser on my

29:30

Linux desktop It's it's pretty wild but

29:32

things are getting better, you know

29:34

video editors are probably still an area we're like

29:36

you can make yourself a nice workflow and there's

29:38

good solutions and products. Yeah, but You're

29:41

not just gonna pick one of the big ones and

29:43

go with it. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm Yeah,

29:46

you still have to put together the right hardware and like

29:48

if you're trying to do like, you know You found a

29:50

local class in your area and they are teaching this Solution

29:53

you're probably gonna have to get another OS.

29:55

Mm-hmm. Yeah, definitely for going to a school

29:57

or you're trying to get true to tutoring

30:00

Somebody's gonna know they're gonna have the Adobe

30:02

Premiere workflow or whatever. Yeah, they're not even

30:04

gonna give a Linux a thought I Feel

30:08

like when we're shopping for hardware, it's still

30:10

a huge consideration as well like How

30:13

often are we super excited when there's a new

30:15

audio interface that sports Linux pretty well? And like

30:18

even I was looking at mice and some people were

30:20

complaining that it wasn't working with Linux It's like, oh,

30:22

come on. Really? Are we still dealing with this? Yeah

30:25

fair enough I I I

30:27

definitely feel that a little bit with

30:31

Invidia hardware still just the Nvidia

30:33

anything that's AMD Nvidia

30:35

hybrid still feels really kind of rickety

30:37

for me and brittle the the

30:40

Intel Nvidia hybrid seems a little more

30:42

solid if you're gonna go that route

30:44

But the AMD Nvidia like

30:47

I get weird artifacting and I can't really

30:49

pin it down But I'll be in plasma.

30:53

I think under X in this case

30:55

and I'll move the mouse cursor and I'll get Like

30:58

boxes around the mouse cursor every now and then

31:00

just boxes. Huh? Just as I'm moving a box

31:02

little box Why is

31:05

that? Why is that weird artifacting happening? How do

31:07

I even reproduce it? I

31:09

don't have it on the other system and it's and

31:11

it's like I and you know that that Asus ROG

31:13

G14 Wasn't bought

31:15

for Linux Uh-huh it

31:18

it was bought for when it was meant to

31:20

run Windows I know runs Linux today and

31:22

you have various different degrees of success with that and

31:24

with that I think it's on the edge of success

31:26

with that machine still to this day. It's on the

31:28

edge of success But then you have systems like

31:31

that Mac trash can from

31:33

2013 the Mac Pro. Well flawless

31:36

flawlessly runs Linux flawlessly

31:38

like them from the moment the thumb drive

31:40

goes in that Mac Pro trash can Flawlessly

31:43

running nyx OS like you would think the

31:45

thing was built by system 76 I

31:47

am just loving the three kindled relationship you're

31:49

having with it one of my favorite computers

31:51

right now It runs Linux so well at

31:54

20. It's not it detects thermals. It's supported

31:56

to take both of the AMD GPU cards

31:58

in that thing It's quiet It boots

32:00

in like eight seconds. Born to run Linux.

32:02

It's born to run Linux. And it's a

32:04

2013 Mac Pro trash can with

32:08

Xeons and ECC RAM and all of

32:10

that. And it

32:13

works perfectly, better than

32:15

that Asus ROG G14 that's

32:17

from like two years ago. So

32:19

you know, it's just hit and

32:21

miss with it. It's just hit and miss with

32:23

it, boys. But these are the, there's probably many

32:25

more. We'd love to hear your uncomfortable truths. I'm

32:28

sure you have them, and we've probably just scratched

32:30

the surface. And I actually

32:32

think there is utility in us talking about

32:34

this, because it adds realism to a show

32:36

where we're generally really focused on the very

32:38

positive things. And I think people should go

32:40

into using free software in Linux with all

32:43

of the information. And so

32:45

if you have any Linux uncomfortable truths, uncomfy

32:47

truths, boost them in and let us know,

32:50

and we'll read them in a future episode. collide.com

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33:09

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33:11

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33:13

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33:15

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33:17

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33:19

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33:21

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33:23

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34:40

That's collide.com/unplugged. Well,

34:48

ladies and gentlemen, today we are introducing

34:50

a very new segment here on Linux

34:52

Unplugged, Will it Nix? This

34:55

is exciting. Obviously, everybody's been waiting

34:57

a long time for this segment. No, no, of

34:59

course not. Now, this is something we came

35:01

up with, though, as maybe a

35:03

way to see if maybe things aren't

35:05

always better the Nix way. There's very

35:07

common and popular ways to host lots

35:09

of different typical, well-known open

35:11

source projects and software. Lots

35:14

of good ways to install things. And we want

35:16

to compare and contrast the typical

35:18

widespread common ways to do things with

35:20

how you might do it on Nix.

35:24

Then we'll look at the pros, the cons, which

35:26

was actually a little bit easier, which ones may

35:28

be going to last longer, be easier to maintain,

35:30

sustain, kind of try to figure out the benefits

35:32

of each approach. And then

35:34

we'll kind of come back with our conclusions

35:36

and how we're going to run that software in

35:38

the future. If we'll go with the Nix way or

35:40

the typical widespread way to deploy that piece of software.

35:43

And we thought up first, why

35:45

not see if we can

35:48

Nix Nextcloud? Something we depend on, run

35:50

a lot. Also convenient to have a quick

35:52

recipe for if you, you know, maybe you want one for

35:54

work and one for personal. And

35:57

one that I have commented mostly on our members feed that

35:59

I... I think it's, there's

36:01

too many ways to install Nextcloud. And

36:03

I would love to come up with

36:05

one that is truly our official way to install

36:08

Nextcloud. And then maybe we go and deploy this

36:10

on our server here. Just something

36:12

to think about. Right? So

36:15

the question we're really trying to answer is, does

36:18

it work better if it's Next up? But we have to

36:20

know, what is the next way

36:22

for some of these? So this is something we're gonna

36:24

ask you this episode. We're not doing this right now.

36:26

We're gonna put the question to you, the audience. If

36:29

you've ever installed Nextcloud on Nix, how did you

36:31

do it? But also, how do you have

36:33

your Nextcloud deployed right now? We

36:36

wanna know, we need to collect data on

36:38

both sides. We need to know what are

36:40

common typical ways you out there have deployed

36:42

Nextcloud. And we also need to know what

36:44

ways people out there have Nix up Nextcloud. Do you build

36:46

it from source? You run it with the Snap? You put

36:48

it on Kubernetes? I don't know. Yeah, and if you're doing

36:50

it on Nix, are you doing it as a flake? Is

36:52

it a module? Are you just doing a Nix config? Boost

36:55

in and tell us how you're doing it, regardless

36:57

of which way it is. And if you're listening

36:59

now, please try to do it soon. Because

37:01

the earlier we can get the data in, the

37:03

sooner we can start putting this together, so the

37:05

more results we get before we record Next Sunday's

37:08

episode. So boost in how you would deploy Nextcloud,

37:10

both on Nix or on any other distro. We

37:12

need to collect and compare all the common ways.

37:14

Collect that feedback, then we'll make our decision and

37:16

try to deploy it. And then

37:18

we'll come back and tell you how it went and see if

37:20

you truly can Nix it up or not. I

37:22

think one of the important questions we should try to answer

37:24

in this segment as we go as well is, once

37:27

we have Nix it up, is it

37:30

worth switching from older methodologies? Absolutely,

37:32

absolutely. Yeah, would it just

37:35

be a lot easier to just do a Docker

37:37

compose or do the all-in-one, the

37:39

snap? You know, Brent's been running Nextcloud forever,

37:41

so I'm curious what he will. Well,

37:44

I feel like I'll

37:46

probably learn a few things and migrate. We'll

37:50

see. I'm gonna wanna pick your brain about how

37:52

we have it deployed right now in production. And

37:54

then of course, I have mine deployed at home,

37:56

which is using the Linux server IO stuff. Oh

37:58

yeah, right. We each have different

38:01

approaches. I feel like we also want

38:03

to get some feedback about what you want to

38:05

see us try in this segment as well. We

38:08

have some of our favorite software that we're excited

38:10

to implement, but maybe there's something

38:12

that you use or want to see

38:14

nixified. And if so, please

38:17

give us the challenge. We're

38:19

starting with Nextcloud a bit out of necessity,

38:21

and also because I feel like I've brought it

38:23

up many times, it's tricky to deploy Nextcloud depending on which route

38:26

you take, so it seems like this is a good one to

38:28

start with. I

38:30

kind of love the idea that if we did

38:32

come up with something we could share, other people

38:34

could then use that as well, assuming

38:37

they understood it. So there could

38:39

be an advantage of if we do

38:41

nix something, we could publish how we

38:43

nixed it, the config. Yeah, right, or

38:45

at least the reference we used, the

38:47

tools, the end product. I also like

38:49

the idea that this isn't nixOS only.

38:51

I like the idea that you can

38:53

apply these strategies that hopefully we come

38:55

into some successes on

38:57

any Linux system, really. If you just

38:59

install nix, so it might just be

39:01

useful for everyone. To give people an

39:03

idea, Wes, you went out and you

39:05

collected a whole batch of ways people are

39:07

doing this right now. How they're nix,

39:09

I mean a whole batch of ways people how

39:11

they're nixing up Nextcloud. Did

39:14

any of these stand out as like if you were

39:16

going to pick one right now? Okay, so if you

39:18

want to take a little live look, check out the

39:20

holy grail nixcloud setup. Okay. Easy by

39:22

nixOS. And see what you just read through and see what you think.

39:25

All right, okay. First of all, it's

39:27

clean. It's really simple and straightforward.

39:29

It's like one big code block,

39:31

but it's all just right

39:33

there, isn't it? They're pulling the

39:35

nixcloud app from some cookbook on

39:37

GitHub. Oh, it's from their GitHub, from

39:39

Nextcloud's GitHub. And

39:42

they have backups accounted for? That's

39:44

interesting. I think this looks like a pretty viable way to

39:46

do it. What? No, no. I

39:49

mean, it's just, it's delightfully concise. Yeah.

39:52

What I like it... It's got a

39:54

handle doing Let's Encrypt and

39:57

an nginx proxy to the application.

40:00

It sets up Redis for you. It sets up

40:02

a Postgres database for you. It sets

40:04

up Only Office apparently as well. Look at

40:06

that. And it sets auto-updates to true. That's

40:10

how I like to roll. Alright. So

40:12

I think one area we'll probably have to

40:15

get into is apps, right? So like you

40:17

can see here there's one version where they're...

40:19

Defining Only Office right here. So like

40:22

that's essentially an app, right? Yep. But

40:24

there's some subset of apps like is often

40:26

with Nix, right? They are Nix packaged. But

40:29

there's probably some apps that aren't and you're

40:31

also going to want. So there's like an

40:33

example here of a custom app installation. So

40:36

how much of a pain is that? How many do you

40:38

have? Are you willing to manage them this way? What's

40:41

it like to manage them outside of this if you are doing it

40:43

with Nix? Why does it look too bad?

40:45

So this guy's pulling in the Cookbook app, which is fantastic.

40:48

I mean that's not really not that bad if once you know it. We're

40:51

definitely going to play with that if we go this route. Because there are

40:53

a couple of apps we'd want to pull in. All

40:55

right, but if you were going to deploy it tonight... It seems

40:57

like a strong contender. So we'll put a

40:59

list, but that link the Holy Grail next cloud setup

41:01

made easy by Nix OS created by Carlos. We'll put

41:04

a link to that in the show notes too. But

41:06

we want to know what everybody would use because

41:09

you know for us, this is a

41:11

whole new territory. The

41:17

Bitcoin company. So you might be wondering how

41:19

do we go from boost to going to

41:21

scale? Well, that's the Bitcoin company. You convert

41:23

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41:25

Lightning network. And right now for

41:27

a few days as when you hear this, so

41:29

probably about seven days or so, they're having a

41:31

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41:34

Because that's one of the perks of the Bitcoin

41:36

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41:38

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41:42

you'll get a little extra $5 in-app credit once

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thousand Sats bonus. Plus We

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get a little kickback like a thousand Sats to

41:54

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41:56

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41:58

show notes. It's the Bitcoin company.com referral code. The

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Super cheap at the Bitcoin company.com

42:11

Promo code unplugged. And.

42:16

This week for feedback, we wanted

42:18

to actually server community conversation around

42:20

our friend Mitch Downey who were

42:22

Support Verse has been doing that

42:24

full time for a few months

42:27

now and they're. Well. I wanted

42:29

to read some messages that he said. He.

42:31

Sorry I've been off grid so long,

42:33

folks. Have. Been busy with a

42:35

combination of making money so I don't have to go

42:37

back to a day job and to be frank, Podres.

42:40

Is pretty overwhelming to keep up with

42:43

and it gets more overwhelming with each

42:45

day I let things fall behind. Been

42:48

working on Podres for ten years now.

42:51

And didn't even know how to code

42:53

when I started and absolutely love what

42:55

we've accomplished. but I had always hoped

42:57

we could have a thriving open source

42:59

community by now. Honestly

43:01

don't know what course of action

43:04

can convert Pod Burst from being

43:06

this ten hour day labor of

43:08

love for me into a reasonably

43:10

managed business with adequate resources to

43:12

keep development always moving forward and

43:14

high quality customer service. The.

43:16

Truth is, as Pod Verse has grown more

43:19

popular, has become more difficult to keep up

43:21

with with many generous supporters. But the money

43:23

we make is far from being able to

43:25

pay someone a full time salary. Accepting.

43:28

Vc money would go against everything

43:30

Podber stands for the entire reason

43:32

for pod versus existence as an

43:34

open source ad free app, but

43:36

it's easy to see why people

43:38

do it. Anyway, I

43:41

just wanted to be transparent that I'm

43:43

having a hard time keeping up with

43:45

everything. Unless there were an increase in

43:48

steady open source contributors, I can't see

43:50

how I can keep up with the

43:52

rate of progress and responsiveness people are

43:54

used to. And. This really.

43:57

this hits right because Mitch

43:59

struggling. As F gets

44:01

more popular. And

44:03

I think we see this as a common thread with

44:06

a lot of Gpl. Maintain his that Gpl apps. And.

44:09

This is also a crane in the backdrop

44:11

when you're seemed fountain wonder though released and

44:13

they crushed it they're doing they're known for.phenomenally

44:16

well true fans that Fm just came out

44:18

which is brand new podcast into the new

44:20

app that. Is. Really really cool

44:22

because it has and doesn't waste or

44:25

insights. And then additionally we just saw

44:27

that apple. Has adopted

44:29

another podcast into the No standard.

44:31

The transcript tags which is massive

44:33

yeah, massive for is massively validating

44:35

for podcast. To dunno, it's huge

44:38

for transcripts. It. Without a

44:40

cigarette. First class feature. Now rent Yes if validates,

44:42

it validates the when Apple's looking to add a

44:44

new feature. They're. Looking at were podcasting

44:46

to the those doing and the going without and

44:48

that's good for Rss and that's good for podcasting.

44:51

The generally could have done their own proprietary thing.

44:53

And. So that is evolving thing for these

44:56

podcasting to to the apps and yet mitch

44:58

as well as having a hard go of

45:00

it right now both from a financial standpoint

45:02

but also just from a development most important.

45:04

Messages. Or same rate with like Gpl and

45:07

similar answer. As wonderful anyone

45:09

can use it it into spread like wildfire

45:11

but the and there's not a direct mechanism

45:13

said adding some sexually helping. Keep.

45:16

It going lifting them in hopes of to surely

45:18

going to be growing needs like a more support

45:20

issues I really wanted to boils down to one

45:22

question to you boys and to the audience when

45:24

when you're in a situation like this with the

45:26

small team one or two people mostly. Is

45:29

there some logic in just ignoring?

45:31

The. Support issues, ignoring the requests, ignoring the

45:34

bugs, and just focus on what you

45:36

do and just let the other stuff

45:38

go. Because. You not Been doing

45:40

this for nineteen years. It's been a business

45:42

now for thirteen, fourteen, Fifteen of those years

45:44

and the last couple of years. I think

45:46

if if we were going through this ad

45:48

winter. Five. Years ago. I.

45:51

Would be an absolute mess. I

45:53

would be so so stressed out

45:56

and anxious. Because. It be existential

45:58

because of be like my business is about to. The

46:00

apps. Everything's about to

46:02

fall apart. This. Is how I survived

46:04

this type of food on the guess. But as

46:06

I've gotten older I've lived through at a few

46:08

more. It's like I know ultimately. If

46:11

Kim Jung. Whatever. Happens, it's gonna

46:13

be okay. And it's not.

46:15

You know what's existential are more immediate

46:17

things like car accidents and health incidence

46:19

of stuff like that. But this kind

46:21

of stuff. It's I'm not.

46:24

I'm. Not enough for the short term, right?

46:26

I'm in it for the next thirty

46:28

years. So if not everything gets sick

46:30

today or not the house, the profits

46:32

aren't perfect today. Some. Aspect of

46:34

it taking on what he can see

46:36

with the time and maybe having to

46:38

figure out how to scale that back

46:41

for periods where you need to. Yeah,

46:43

setting different expectations and I think what's

46:45

helped me to was having some things

46:47

in realize that anchor me that are.

46:49

Also. Important that aren't. So this isn't the

46:51

only thing that's important to me. Very

46:53

important to me. What's not? The only things are

46:56

important? Yeah, otherwise and you just your entire. Yeah

46:58

see. That's hard. That's easier said than

47:00

done. But I mean, even if it's video games,

47:03

for god sakes, As Ghetto Stacks psycho, he likes

47:05

to stack a w somewhere else. Stack.

47:07

A w somewhere else. I know it seems counterintuitive

47:09

because you're taking focus away from the thing the

47:11

already drowning on. but if you start to win

47:13

somewhere else. Then. You've you've take that momentum

47:15

and you can go tax that thing that you've been

47:18

avoiding because it makes you super anxious. and just the

47:20

concept of even dealing with it is so much that

47:22

you tune it out. That. Would

47:24

stalking those w's does is it gives you a

47:26

momentum ago, get that thing, and I think at

47:28

the same time you gotta tune people. You

47:31

know, like I have an issue on

47:33

Mondays that is pretty pretty annoying on

47:35

Sundays where. I. Just got

47:37

a lot of the Ems and and

47:40

alerts and notifications and Sundays and Monday

47:42

mornings I'm really busy puppy neither code

47:44

a radio or linux unplugged and so

47:46

livestream season. Yeah. There's mornings were if

47:49

he's if enough, you send me a message on

47:51

Sunday morning or Monday morning. I might not get

47:53

to tell Three Four Five O'clock that Deck. And.

47:55

Assist the way it's gotta be because I got

47:57

a job to do and I got a phone.

48:00

And. I think it's really easy to get

48:02

overwhelmed by notifications and I notice as even

48:05

just switching from I O S de Graphene

48:07

is I started feeling pack to death again

48:09

with with Graphene because I had mastered the

48:11

I Was Focus modes. And. I

48:13

had a kind of come up with a

48:15

new notification approach for Android and you have

48:17

to watch out for that because. There's.

48:20

Always somebody that needs something you know

48:22

like it's only and if I see

48:24

that unread message. It's. It's it's

48:26

like a dislike a background process that stealing

48:28

my Cpm serving and I think you gotta

48:30

find a way to get momentum outside the

48:33

project you gotta set. come up with ways

48:35

to tune out some of the requests, focus

48:37

on what you know you need, execute on

48:39

very hard to write when when you have

48:41

been so much communication he don't get to

48:43

really set up pre filters very easily and

48:45

them. As we know, there's the

48:47

sorta in built by us where you know you don't

48:50

reach out and. Remind me how great

48:52

Prospers already is all the time right? you do

48:54

maybe makes a lot of suggestions about stuff that

48:56

to be fixed or improved and that citizens can

48:58

be tough to here especially from a month you

49:00

know for a long time person is invested so

49:02

much. as for me it's always like he's seen

49:04

a list of stuff is not six yet of

49:06

in people are asking for more stuff and an

49:08

open source that like the ideal thing would be

49:10

like hey I I think that's a big idea

49:12

and I I have this initial patch that. That's.

49:15

Really the way to do it otherwise you're just

49:17

asking for somebody do more work And I think

49:19

this is again a common thread. we see through

49:21

a lot of open source software and the maintain

49:24

his that the make it possible. Submit.

49:26

Your you're dealing with something that is. I think it's

49:28

classic problem and. At. The I

49:30

wanted openness up A because I think perhaps folks

49:33

on the audience of have some insights they could

49:35

share. Miss does watch the boost because we send

49:37

a percentage to him so. I'm. Be

49:39

the boost and with those but also what we

49:41

What we see here is so common that I

49:43

think there's probably we could zoom out as a

49:45

community and just be a little more understanding about

49:47

these situations. And if somebody out there does have

49:49

free time. Knows. A little react

49:52

maybe. Or an developer? Something like that.

49:54

I was developer. This. is

49:56

a gpl cross platform podcasting to

49:58

the know app It could use

50:00

some help and maybe we could show up

50:02

with some patch sets out there We've had some folks step

50:05

up before and do it. Yeah, maybe some more folks could

50:07

do that And we can help Mitch out

50:09

directly that way too. I know we felt very

50:12

similar to this as the

50:14

podcast network back during the lockdowns of

50:16

2020 and I remember Chris we were

50:18

thinking about it like What's going on? It

50:21

really boiled down to us not being able

50:23

to interface with the community one-on-one in

50:26

person and I wonder if

50:28

Mitch might consider just doing a small I don't

50:31

know even a dinner or a small meetup I

50:33

don't know exactly where he's located, but hopefully he's

50:35

got some like superfans who'd be willing to I

50:38

Don't know go bowling or have

50:40

a dinner together because that every time

50:42

we do it It just motivates us

50:44

in a whole different way for months

50:46

and I've seen that over and over

50:48

again That's why I'm so drawn to trying to throw

50:51

meetups everywhere I go for our

50:53

community because everyone who shows up gets

50:55

that same feeling back and hopefully that

50:57

Could help and get some new connections

50:59

to the project as well Yeah that

51:02

making those in-person networking connections It seems

51:04

to give us energy in a way

51:06

that you wish you wish

51:08

you didn't need especially me I wish

51:10

I wish that stuff didn't affect me positively I wish

51:13

I could go on and have

51:15

the same level of energy and motivation without

51:17

those meetups But I

51:19

must also succumb to the meat bag that I actually

51:21

am We almost yeah,

51:23

it's just and It

51:26

took me way way way too long to learn

51:28

that connection is protection and networking is one of

51:30

the best things you can invest In your entire

51:32

life. It just took me way too long to

51:34

figure that out I think what Brian

51:36

was saying to I don't know it almost sounds like podverse

51:38

needs a party deserves one certainly. Yeah

51:40

sure does Yeah,

51:43

so pod first FM is

51:45

the web version. You can also find it in iOS

51:47

supply store or f droid and It's

51:49

a great app True fans not FM's

51:52

brand new app just came out as well. It's

51:54

a progressive web app that does work offline, but

51:57

They're just saying no. Thanks to the app store

52:00

It's going to go truefans.fm and then

52:02

fountain.fm has been incredible. Oscar

52:05

and Nick and the whole team over there are crushing

52:07

it release after release and 1.0

52:09

is amazing now and they've reached a whole new level

52:12

of user base. So

52:14

it's been – it's a really – and then to have Apple come

52:16

along and adopt the

52:18

podcast transcript namespace from podcasting 2.0, also

52:20

they adopted the people one a while

52:22

back. But it's just

52:24

huge, especially just like that's

52:27

one more reason to bring in and have that

52:29

namespace available in the feed already and then right

52:31

there also are the rest of the podcasting 2.0

52:33

features waiting for you. Yeah

52:36

and why not – the more people that use these

52:38

apps, the more pressure on Apple and Spotify to adopt

52:40

these open source standards and not implement their own way

52:42

of doing things, which is how they've done it.

52:45

In RSS and in podcasting, there are

52:47

iTunes specific tags that even we have

52:49

to use because they just got there first.

52:53

And everyone expected them. Now Linux podcasts have

52:55

iTunes specific tags in their RSS feed. It's

52:57

gross. It's gross. And

53:01

now it is time for the boost.

53:03

Indeed. And the dude abides is

53:05

our baller booster this week. He

53:08

comes in with 143,456 ads. Hey,

53:13

what's your sign? And

53:17

that first boost, as you might expect, it's

53:19

a spaceballs boost. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, ads. So

53:22

the combination is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. That's

53:27

the stupidest comedy I've ever heard in my

53:29

life. It's great. He says,

53:31

thanks for the episode. Although I've never listened to

53:34

audiobooks, perhaps. It's time I give it a go.

53:37

Do you have a similar recommendation for e-books? Maybe

53:39

collaborate the way to go? He

53:41

says, by the way, I'm currently on my way to Fosdom. Too

53:44

bad Brent won't be there. No. That's

53:46

so sad. I want it to be maybe next year. We'll

53:48

all be there. Maybe. You

53:51

know, Audiobookshelf will do e-books quite well. Yeah.

53:54

It wasn't like my absolute favorite reader on the

53:56

phone, but I like that you had

53:58

the web interface too. And the reader was fine. on the phone.

54:00

I think it had the essentials there, just

54:02

not as nice as some of the premium ones

54:04

that have come to exist on that platform. If

54:06

you only wanted books, probably Calibre

54:08

would be a good way to go. Or Calabre,

54:11

however you say it. But if you

54:13

want audiobooks and ebooks, I think probably. A

54:15

one stop shop for books. Yeah, and then I give the

54:17

nod to Audiobookshelf. Thumbs boosts in with

54:20

123,456 cents. One,

54:25

two, three, four, five. Yes. That's

54:27

amazing. I've got the same combination on my luggage. I

54:30

thought this next episode was very helpful, talking

54:32

about 546, what you're missing about NixOS.

54:36

I'm still a Linux beginner, but curious.

54:38

You guys have always made Nix seem

54:40

intriguing, but things like Flakes and

54:42

Home Manager make it seem a bit daunting.

54:45

I'm excited to try Snowflake. Seems like a

54:47

more approachable starting point. Good. I'm glad to

54:49

hear that. I agree.

54:51

I think Home

54:53

Manager does seem daunting at first.

54:55

I think for me, what I

54:57

had a really hard time understanding, and I

54:59

still need to do more practical on-hand experience

55:02

with, is modules and

55:04

overlays and flakes. I just didn't

55:08

go that route when I got into Nix. But with Snowflake,

55:10

you will start there in a more smooth

55:13

on-ramp style, perhaps? It might

55:15

not be so bad. And it

55:17

seems like you're already doing this, thumbs. But

55:20

engaging in any way, getting the first

55:22

bite of the Nix stuff from whatever

55:24

direction it is, flakes, Home Manager aside,

55:26

just whatever works for you, you'll

55:29

learn and expand from there naturally. Let us know how it

55:31

goes, thumbs. And thanks for the boost. Get

55:33

your thumbs dirty. Mickly

55:35

B boosted in with 42,000

55:37

sats from Castamatic, saying,

55:40

Vegas meetup. Never been,

55:42

but I think it's cheap and quite

55:44

direct as well. The answer

55:46

to the ultimate question. Grant,

55:48

yeah, do a v- well, maybe next time. Maybe next time.

55:50

We'll all go. We'll go in the

55:53

warm weather. I had

55:56

deeply considered doing it, because

55:58

how much fun would that be? But then I feel Figure they'll

56:00

just be torture and my family dragging them

56:02

to. My.

56:05

Next. Maybe. Maybe

56:07

or you get really drunk first.

56:09

nearby of cretin. I'm. Sure that

56:11

would you don't make sense. In. The. Hybrid.

56:13

Sarcasm comes in with forty two thousands as

56:16

the on the ultimate question I says. I

56:18

discovered this week how easy it is to

56:20

implement Rootless Docker on next O S. Once

56:22

I wrap my head around flakes I can

56:24

be one of the cool kids. Enemies

56:27

as you already are, I read sarcasm,

56:30

you already are. Thank you for the

56:32

boost. Cultivate our boots

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forty science at someone in the

56:40

polls and. One to three, four

56:42

five yes it's amazing. I got the sense

56:45

domination of my like. I.

56:47

Was able to install Next O S

56:49

on an old corporate Discard desktop. I

56:51

had an even managed to install a

56:53

blue packages. After this podcast I got

56:55

excited. Try out Snowflake and maybe try

56:57

to learn the flake way of doing

56:59

things. Unfortunately low motherboard failed so

57:01

this I'm trying to work up the

57:03

nerve to install on my main machine

57:06

in give it a real go. Of

57:08

like this podcast and name of my tendency towards

57:10

risky behavior and I love you for is the

57:13

People of Earth and high praise Thank you. In

57:16

the second boost here. Okay, so it turns

57:18

out the Dell in question must have been

57:20

in hibernate when I unplugged and moved it.

57:22

And after removing the ram and performing a

57:24

very strict ritual involved in some animal sacrifice,

57:26

I was able to get it to boot.

57:29

Sale and a snowflake though as hey, congratulations,

57:31

that's quite the thrilling story. Yeah, I mean

57:33

the nice thing about the Dell's is you

57:35

can put in the service take on their

57:37

website and it will tell you specifically which

57:39

animal you have to sacrifice. Sam makes it

57:41

really easy to look that up Distrust to

57:44

boost in with two, three, four, Five Six.

57:46

That oh she's. A

57:49

recently stumbled on V Note Ap.v

57:51

Note.fun as an open source markdown

57:53

note taking A And though I

57:55

love Obsidian, I've been looking for

57:57

an open source alternative, and this.

58:00

just about hits the marks for my needs. Of

58:02

course, since they both speak Markdown, I'm not

58:04

locked into either app and can use them

58:07

somewhat interchangeably. Also, see you at

58:09

scale. Hey, hey, cool. Thank

58:12

you for this, this

58:14

vnote.fun, app.vnote.fun. Looks

58:16

nice, I mean it's a native C++ and Qt application, so

58:21

it should be light and snappy. I

58:23

have to say when I- First class Linux

58:25

support, which is always lovely. When my eye

58:28

strays from Obsidian, where I

58:30

land is actually QO notes. Which

58:33

is an old favorite. Is an old favorite

58:35

and also works great with Nextcloud. Yeah, but

58:37

boy, that looks really good. App.vnote.fun. Thank

58:40

you, DisroStu, appreciate you. Jordan

58:43

Bravo comes in with a row of the

58:45

Mik ducks. Things are looking up for all

58:47

my ducks. 22,222 sats. Says

58:51

thanks for the shout out to my

58:53

work, my Nix workshop. Here's the recording

58:55

of the live stream in case anyone's

58:57

interested. Part one focused on the Nix

58:59

on non-Nix OS systems, like Nix

59:02

on Ubuntu, OpenSUSE. And then part two focuses

59:04

on Nix OS. I'll boost in with the

59:06

recording link when it's all over and

59:08

share it in the Nix nerds matrix channel. Excited for

59:10

y'all's coverage of NixCon. We'll put that YouTube link in

59:13

there. Oh, these have

59:15

been very heavy Nix booths. And

59:17

it's funny as we did audio bookshelf, which was we took a

59:19

week off from talking about Nix. But

59:23

then we did Snowflake, of course, so everybody's catching up. And

59:26

I love it. I'm not complaining at all. There

59:28

is something special happening here. And I'm going to

59:30

be very proud to look back in five years

59:33

and have this show have really been at this

59:35

leading edge of covering this. I think it's going

59:37

to be really great. We've already clearly entered the

59:39

Nix era. The only question is how long it

59:41

lasts. Right. Ooh, that

59:43

could be a topic. Neve boosts in with 10,000

59:45

sats. Hey-oh. As a

59:48

Gen 2 user, I think rather than a

59:50

source-based challenge, I'm going to go with a

59:52

GNU Geeks challenge instead for a month. I'll

59:54

boost in with updates as I go. Geeks February

59:57

2024. So We need to

59:59

have a little team meeting. In about this source base

1:00:01

challenge I think the thing that has me

1:00:03

a little like how do we do this

1:00:05

is the upcoming trips. right? If I

1:00:07

don't know if we have time to do before and I

1:00:09

don't like we want to do it during the two. Now

1:00:11

is probably one of the little more focus so that we

1:00:13

just gotta have a little tactical planning session to get. Maybe.

1:00:16

After the show will do little testicle planning

1:00:18

are also good Luck Nerve I'm I've been

1:00:20

curious about gigs before haven't we are Friday?

1:00:22

yeah but you know us so the next

1:00:24

inspired but with the dial involved. Seems.

1:00:27

Like it'd be pretty nice. At least

1:00:29

he let us live on air. And

1:00:31

thanks for the boost tax. M boosted

1:00:33

and to boost for a total of

1:00:35

seventeen thousand. two hundred and twenty two

1:00:37

sets make it so nice! Hello from

1:00:40

Central Virginia, constantly learning about knicks O

1:00:42

S for my laptop and desktop and

1:00:44

like optimized next door to reduce space

1:00:46

uses. Space usage, trim

1:00:48

generations, and run garbage collector on

1:00:50

next or frequently. My small hundred

1:00:53

and ten gig hard drive went

1:00:55

from ninety seven percent used to

1:00:57

about sixty percent used sweet. The

1:01:02

i get sick doesn't want to clean up your

1:01:04

desk because I do get a little filled up

1:01:06

on the laptop sometimes to there's only like of

1:01:08

to fifty six Gager yeah you know next as

1:01:10

great as one. Nice things about it but a

1:01:12

minimal disperse as not as the second. One hundred

1:01:15

yeah yeah and you can if you keep all

1:01:17

those generations which you can revert to guess what

1:01:19

is go take space so there are garbage, clean

1:01:21

up commands and what I've done on my kids

1:01:23

computers. Is. In the next can fig

1:01:25

I've just gonna hadn't turned on auto garbage

1:01:27

collection and it's are garbage collector anything older

1:01:30

than seven days I think. so they basically

1:01:32

get a week of generations. I'm.

1:01:34

They don't generally have a week's worth because. One.

1:01:37

Of them is set to never update and one

1:01:39

of them says update daily but the computer as

1:01:42

be on the right time and will I. He

1:01:44

seems to have so far tracking that he seems

1:01:46

to auto update about four times a week. which

1:01:49

is it is okay and it's totally seamless to

1:01:51

him yeah he's never even commented on it which

1:01:53

incredibly returns that thing i need to hits the

1:01:55

game in right away and somehow still doing auto

1:01:57

updating in the background of the other Chris,

1:02:01

it helps when you're playing games like Roblox

1:02:03

and Fortnite. They're not super demanding. Jittering

1:02:07

Blender comes in with 5,000 SATs. He

1:02:10

says, thank you for devoting this episode to Nyx.

1:02:12

This was our snowflake episode.

1:02:16

I'm in favor of the source-only challenge mentioned

1:02:18

by a previous booster. I see it as

1:02:20

an experiment to see if source only can

1:02:22

improve application performance. I agree. Of

1:02:24

course, you would have to add the compiler flags, whether

1:02:26

it can reduce bandwidth on an average compared

1:02:28

to binary distros too, I'd

1:02:30

be interested. I also like the idea of

1:02:33

reducing the attack service by reducing the reliance

1:02:35

on any binary cache. Finally,

1:02:38

congrats for raising the funds for scale.

1:02:41

All right, another vote. I guess we have to

1:02:44

do it, huh? Yeah. Those are interesting points right

1:02:46

there. So I think the key takeaways that I'm

1:02:48

getting, Blender, from your boost is you're curious to

1:02:50

know if compiler flags, if you can get performance

1:02:53

out of it, be curious to know if it's

1:02:55

more or less bandwidth used than, you know, updating

1:02:57

a binary system. And then

1:02:59

there's that discussion around you're kind of reducing

1:03:01

that third-party risk that the maintainer or the

1:03:03

repo hasn't been compromised and the binary isn't.

1:03:05

Yeah, how do we feel about the whole,

1:03:07

you know, whatever we do, how do we

1:03:09

feel about the security? Yeah, yeah. Those

1:03:12

are really good thoughts. Thank you, Blender. Gene

1:03:14

Bean boosts in with 10,677 cents across... There

1:03:18

is six different boosts. Hey, it's Gene.

1:03:22

B-O-O-S-T. Can we also get a ducks in here? Sure.

1:03:25

Because we got some ducks in here, yeah. We

1:03:28

archive from Audible mostly for fear of

1:03:30

things disappearing. Yep. Like

1:03:32

happened on streaming servers. Same. We

1:03:34

can also then easily lend books to one or

1:03:36

two friends, just as you might do with paper

1:03:39

books. That, Gene, was why I

1:03:41

set up Audio Bookshelf in the first place, because

1:03:43

the guys were over and I wanted to share

1:03:45

some books with them and their audio books. And

1:03:47

I'm like, well, how do I solve for this?

1:03:51

Right? I also archive select podcasts in Audio

1:03:53

Bookshelf as well, and I also archive any

1:03:55

podcast I guest host or speak on, which

1:03:57

that's a nice idea. That is. Good

1:04:00

idea. Continuing on, Gene

1:04:02

Bean says, I've heard some zip code boosts

1:04:04

from my fellow Georgians and

1:04:06

around Atlanta. Any chance

1:04:08

you'd add a room for us to gather

1:04:11

in and maybe, just maybe, plan a meetup?

1:04:15

Okay. Our Atlanta meetup sounds pretty fun. Yeah,

1:04:17

we should have a, I

1:04:19

need a good name, though, for it. That's a big requirement, because

1:04:21

we did the scale room and I'm still sad that we didn't

1:04:23

come over the good name. Yeah, Chris and I failed at that

1:04:25

one. And it's been two weeks. Yeah,

1:04:27

so I need a really clever name, like

1:04:30

Georgia Groupies or something that's that,

1:04:32

but yes. Absolutely. The Georgia gang.

1:04:34

Then maybe we'll get it rolling and then, yeah, maybe if

1:04:36

they're okay with that. But if we

1:04:39

could get a good name for it and get it rolling,

1:04:41

I think that's step one into an

1:04:43

actual official JB meetup, right? Yeah, totally. Okay,

1:04:46

continuing on, if you haven't already, be sure

1:04:48

to add the Audible ASIN. It helps a

1:04:50

lot for finding metadata for audiobooks. That's a

1:04:52

nice little tip. Okay. And Gene

1:04:54

says that they're looking forward to

1:04:56

meeting us at NICScon and Skate. Oh

1:04:59

my God, we're gonna meet Gene. I'm a little

1:05:02

nervous. That's so great. And a little prod saying,

1:05:05

Wayland and Firefox on NICS with both Canelm

1:05:08

is working great for me. Firefox also works

1:05:10

great under Hyperland for me. My setup is on

1:05:12

a 2017 Dell XPS 9360 13-inch machine. Maybe

1:05:18

I've just got the right hardware combo. You

1:05:21

know, I stopped complaining because it's working. So

1:05:23

I haven't, I don't know if my cameras are

1:05:25

working. I haven't checked that yet, but I don't

1:05:27

have the Firefox crashing issue anymore, which

1:05:30

is massive. And I did also

1:05:32

have a Chrome issue where my extension menus would

1:05:34

be really, really narrow. But what I've

1:05:36

learned is that if I drag the width of

1:05:38

the Chrome browser to almost the

1:05:40

entire width of my monitors, then the Chrome extension

1:05:42

menus are fine. So I've solved for both. What

1:05:45

was the fix in the first case? The Firefox

1:05:47

fix was they did an update and now Firefox

1:05:49

has native Wayland support. Well, great. Yeah,

1:05:51

yeah. That was really great. I

1:05:54

don't know about the cameras. I'll have to figure

1:05:56

that out. I need to play around with that,

1:05:59

but we'll see. Thank

1:06:01

you, Gene, and I'm really looking forward to meeting you at

1:06:03

scale. Thank you for all those boosts and all those ducks.

1:06:06

Lego feet boosted in 8008

1:06:09

satoshis from Fountain, saying simply,

1:06:12

juvenile number humor. If

1:06:16

you spell it out on the calculator,

1:06:18

that is funny. I get it. I

1:06:21

get it. Thank you for the boost. Purple Dog comes in

1:06:23

with 5,000 sats. I've

1:06:25

been using an audio bookshelf for about a year now. Oh,

1:06:28

all right. Some boots on the ground long-timer reports

1:06:30

here. I'm getting my books from Audible.

1:06:32

I've got a script that uses Audible CLI,

1:06:34

I had not even heard of that, to

1:06:37

download new books and then converts them to

1:06:39

MP3 with all the correct metadata for audio

1:06:41

bookshelf. I'm running that in Docker

1:06:43

right now, but I'm working on packing it up

1:06:45

in Nix. Oh, less you Purple Dog. If you

1:06:47

do, Purple Dog, will you shoot it my way?

1:06:50

I'd love to repackage it up in Nix too. Sounds neat.

1:06:53

So the thing that I notice you're doing

1:06:55

here is MP3. I am doing

1:06:57

the M4Bs still because

1:07:00

everything I use supports that M4B

1:07:02

support and I think it's AAC

1:07:04

and that would make sense, technically

1:07:06

higher quality and has

1:07:08

all the chapters in line and stuff. But I think

1:07:10

MP3 is probably still a pretty safe way to

1:07:12

go. Now Joe

1:07:14

Linux boosts in with 5,000 sats. JPL,

1:07:18

long live the copter. Yeah. Shout

1:07:20

out though to Tim who told us that

1:07:22

there's still a Linux box running on the

1:07:24

actual rover still. I'm going to

1:07:27

head on by. So, you know. Also

1:07:30

I don't know if maybe Tim could, if he's listening,

1:07:32

he could tell us, but there's been some online chatter

1:07:34

about spinning it up for science and

1:07:36

letting it go wreck itself and to kick up dirt

1:07:38

and stuff. And, you know, the cameras might land somewhere

1:07:40

where it gets a cool picture. You

1:07:42

could actually use it for a little low key science still.

1:07:46

Tim, if you're listening. One more fly. I'm like, yeah,

1:07:48

right. One more act for science. Part

1:07:51

of me like don't. Just let that sit.

1:07:53

But then one day when we land there, we could go

1:07:55

put like a little cube over

1:07:57

it and make it like a monument out of this. little

1:08:00

copter and I'd like it to be in the best shape possible.

1:08:03

It does have two chunks missing from two different

1:08:05

blades. So it's gonna get covered and it's also

1:08:07

gonna get covered in dust. So

1:08:09

it might be some logic to having a little

1:08:11

last minute science. DPG boosted

1:08:14

in four, five, four,

1:08:16

five satoshis to episode five,

1:08:18

four, four. Ah.

1:08:22

Hey guys, I tried the

1:08:24

32-bit challenge of sorts with my

1:08:26

BeagleBone Black. It has an ARM

1:08:29

V7, one gigahertz single core CPU with 512

1:08:32

megs of RAM and it

1:08:35

was painful. I managed to

1:08:37

run some Telegram bots but it seems things

1:08:39

are sunsetting 32-bit ARM as well.

1:08:43

I'm curious to see what happens to these old

1:08:45

single board computers in the future and well, I

1:08:47

love the show. That is a

1:08:49

great question. I've been wondering the same thing, DPG, and thank

1:08:51

you for the boost. What happens? There

1:08:53

are gonna be maybe some last distro

1:08:56

that gets us as close as we can and you can still

1:08:58

use them for something useful. We'll

1:09:00

see. Only time will tell. The

1:09:04

Golden Dragon came in with a row

1:09:06

of ducks. He says, welcome to Otterbrain. If

1:09:08

you're looking for anything in the public

1:09:10

domain, use LibreVox. While

1:09:12

I won't be at scale, I'll be there in spirit

1:09:14

in a couple of other ways. Hopefully, one day we

1:09:16

can all get back together and do a brunch with

1:09:19

Brent or similar, missing the Pacific Northwest. Yeah.

1:09:21

Dragon would be great if you made it out for Linux

1:09:23

Fest. We're gonna do live streams. I

1:09:25

will be publishing the calendar but also because we're

1:09:28

gonna do them as lit live streams, they

1:09:30

will just be in the RSS feed in your time

1:09:32

and all that. If you're

1:09:35

using a podcasting 2.0 app, you

1:09:37

could jump on right as we go live because you'll

1:09:39

get notified within 90 seconds when we're

1:09:41

on the road. The reason I

1:09:43

mentioned that is I'd love to bring folks in that can't make it and try

1:09:45

to bring them in on it as much as we can. I

1:09:48

think the Dragon mentioned an important correction here too.

1:09:51

During our intro, mentioned that I was

1:09:53

using Project Gutenberg for audio and that's

1:09:55

actually the written open formats

1:09:58

for books. And

1:10:00

liberal box is actually what I was using and

1:10:02

I remember throwing a few. Liberal

1:10:05

Fox Files on Mild Palm Pilot

1:10:07

back in the day when I

1:10:09

was in a ride the bus.

1:10:11

Nice. Nice. Zagat

1:10:14

that wasn't with six thousand, five

1:10:16

hundred and forty three set so

1:10:18

low that. Snowflake. O

1:10:20

S wouldn't install at all in a

1:10:22

Vm, so instead I went back to

1:10:24

my next conflict files I've been making

1:10:27

over the last few months. retested them

1:10:29

won, and last time. And

1:10:31

folders, well, They will beat on

1:10:33

my Thinkpad by the time the episode airs.

1:10:35

Asked for keep you posted I hope so.

1:10:37

I'd love to know I'm I'd ever had

1:10:39

the install bomb on me when I tried

1:10:42

to add Ap Image support and then I

1:10:44

went back and it's unchecked Ap Image support.

1:10:46

The install finish? Define. So I don't know

1:10:48

if that was enough what was up there.

1:10:50

But yeah, early days is very much alpha

1:10:52

but good for you. I love the idea

1:10:54

of having just a whole set for you

1:10:56

Thinkpad. I love my Thinkpad with Next O

1:10:58

S. should really consider that. It

1:11:01

is fairly fedora. He's. Got a road

1:11:03

ducks. Test boost I

1:11:05

think Alby is as in the bed and a

1:11:08

disconnect me from Potter's Well that's a great way

1:11:10

to test support the so. I'll

1:11:12

be nineteen Eighty Four Bousson with

1:11:14

twelve thousand sense of crossed three

1:11:16

booths. After having three books

1:11:18

I paid for removed from my Audible

1:11:20

accounts, I bought a license for Open

1:11:22

Audible at have been downloading everything I

1:11:25

buy and storing them in cold storage.

1:11:27

Yeah, I keep meaning to set up

1:11:29

audiobook self and then getting sidetracked. I mean,

1:11:31

we all know how that goes. Thanks for

1:11:33

reminding me I still need to get that

1:11:35

done. I also need to start researching only

1:11:37

a book vendors that allowed Drm free downloads.

1:11:39

Maybe. I'll make a blog posts listened vendors I'm

1:11:42

able to find. But. Was it. Speeds.

1:11:44

In a blog post on the Value

1:11:46

for Value Valuable subject, I wrote a

1:11:48

blog post. i'm idea for that very

1:11:50

same thing at the time of boosting.

1:11:52

It's the latest posts so if you're

1:11:54

interested, just go to Rp Nineteen Eighty

1:11:56

four.com and see the post titled Value

1:11:58

for Value Audiobooks. Oh,

1:12:01

and we got an update. Five hours later, audio

1:12:03

bookshelf is set up on my server and the

1:12:05

Android app is connected. Well done, sir.

1:12:10

I'll stick with my current set up for podcasts

1:12:12

for now, but otherwise, I think I'm in love.

1:12:15

That's my take. And I'm using

1:12:17

it every single day. I'm

1:12:19

keeping my podcasts in fountain

1:12:22

right now. I bounced between fountain pod versus true

1:12:24

fans like a distro hopper would. But

1:12:26

my audio books forever now. I'm

1:12:29

never gonna have the audible app installed ever

1:12:31

again. It's so great. It feels so good.

1:12:34

And I would never want

1:12:36

400 books on a physical shelf. It's

1:12:39

not me. I have no place for that. Heaven

1:12:41

forbid you move. I love though that I have

1:12:43

400 books in the digital space. It

1:12:45

feels good. You know, it feels good. Well

1:12:48

done to a happy well done. And we'll put a link

1:12:50

to that blog post. Now we got

1:12:52

a special boost from Sir lurks a lot with

1:12:54

7,575 satoshis over two boosts. Hello,

1:13:00

Sir lurks areas. My favorite way

1:13:02

to listen is on peer tube, but I

1:13:04

can't seem to stream sats or boosts at

1:13:06

least not on your version. Yeah, aside from

1:13:08

peer tube, I generally listen to the shows

1:13:10

on the Jupiter all shows feed so I

1:13:12

can stream and then I'll go to the

1:13:14

member feed to catch the pre and post

1:13:16

shows since they don't support podcasting 2.0 features.

1:13:19

Well, good news there. We're rolling out the

1:13:21

2.0 features to the members feed

1:13:23

and we're testing it to see how that

1:13:25

goes getting some feedback and

1:13:28

then we're rolling out from there. So if

1:13:30

you listen to or subscribe to the

1:13:32

live members feed in a podcasting 2.0 app now, they're

1:13:36

getting 2.0 features like transcripts, chapters

1:13:38

and boosts. Now Sir lurks is

1:13:40

second boost says here's a happy

1:13:43

birthday boost for you, Chris. Once

1:13:46

upon a time I sent a million sat

1:13:48

boost when it was worth around 100 US

1:13:50

dollars. And today that same

1:13:52

booth is worth 420. I trust your

1:13:56

hudland. Stay Humble Stack Sats..

1:13:58

Don't forget your towel. Above all, don't

1:14:00

panic much less by horde. not which

1:14:03

will kind conference. This is one of

1:14:05

my favorite things about the booze to

1:14:07

his we can kind of. Have

1:14:09

the optionality me on some cases

1:14:11

like. For. The scale booze, And

1:14:14

they were to spend the sooner than later. But.

1:14:16

We do have the option to also hoddle

1:14:18

the booze and I love that. That means

1:14:20

that if sometimes it's the opposite effect too,

1:14:22

but sometimes it also means you're boost is

1:14:24

doing more for you today. And.

1:14:27

It's away for a one time contribution

1:14:29

to Canada. I continue to contribute back

1:14:31

in the sense that we could put

1:14:33

that as an asset on the businesses

1:14:35

books and it could make Jupiter Broadcasting.

1:14:38

Like. Financially better for if we need it alone but

1:14:40

it also just gives us an asset that we can

1:14:42

sell if we need to do like fall back on

1:14:44

will but of money of cash flow gets tight and

1:14:46

we have the option out a window Do that. Thankfully

1:14:49

for the most part we really haven't, but.

1:14:51

With. The ad winter it it what it is. It's.

1:14:54

Really nice our that optionality right now. we don't

1:14:56

ever really know where the price is going to

1:14:58

go, but. When. I really enough for that

1:15:00

and so we sit on it till we need it

1:15:02

and something comes up like a scale trip or something

1:15:05

like that. Then we can sell little bit and am

1:15:07

I think it works out pretty nice. and yeah you

1:15:09

gotta pay capital gains tax but. That's.

1:15:11

Because there was again and. That's.

1:15:14

How it works. If I got a paycheck, I'd have

1:15:16

to pay taxes on that to, right? So I really

1:15:18

look at that as a negative aspect to this is

1:15:20

all part of the process and the optionality when you're

1:15:22

running a business and things. Yeah, I think about. Thank.

1:15:25

You though lurks. nice to hear from you.

1:15:27

pressure you, Anonymous. Comes in

1:15:29

with fifteen thousand Sat same. Check out

1:15:31

Libra Fm Gray for audio books. He

1:15:35

also likes bookshop.org says works well

1:15:37

them subscription model. But.

1:15:39

The credits never expire. Yeah, that

1:15:41

is nice. That. After

1:15:44

you buy a book with credits or currencies and

1:15:46

then immediately go download it. As.

1:15:48

Drm free M P Threes or M

1:15:50

for Bees depending on which one the

1:15:52

publisher provides. This is great. This.

1:15:55

Is really great. isis

1:15:58

just mentioned audiobooks health concern manager But

1:16:00

did you know can also create RSS feeds

1:16:02

for your audiobooks on an

1:16:05

admin account go to a book page click on the

1:16:07

three dots? And then click on open

1:16:09

RSS feed it will generate a random set

1:16:11

of characters Which you can change for a

1:16:13

feed after your audiobook shelf URL So

1:16:16

you can easily listen in your

1:16:18

podcast app if you prefer wow

1:16:21

that's a great tip anonymous. Thank

1:16:23

you I'll

1:16:25

do just that That's

1:16:28

great. That's so I did remember hearing the

1:16:30

less you generate RSS feeds But I hadn't

1:16:32

grok that meant I could put it my

1:16:34

podcast catcher, which has got great playback controls

1:16:36

Southern Fred's that's a fast Brewston with 5,000

1:16:38

sats boosting

1:16:40

in for a well-earned shout out

1:16:43

to editor drew and the entire

1:16:45

JB crew across all shows for

1:16:47

Consistent and high audio quality and

1:16:49

content quality Listening to

1:16:51

other podcasts really contrast how well the

1:16:53

production value is for the JB shows

1:16:56

yeah drew really yeah you know I

1:16:59

Often refer sending the files to drew send them to

1:17:01

the wash because they come out and the better way

1:17:03

better than they went in They really do he does

1:17:05

and you know if you ever listen to the bootleg

1:17:07

version the live members feet Then go listen to the

1:17:09

published version There are members that

1:17:12

believe it or not. They don't listen to the

1:17:14

live version They listen to the ad free version

1:17:16

because it's got all of drew's touches. It's It

1:17:19

is all worth it 3,000

1:17:21

three hundred and thirty three sats came in from

1:17:23

Nn Fts just

1:17:26

saying yo yo this

1:17:28

it you Appreciate

1:17:31

that five thousand four hundred and thirty two

1:17:33

sets from the idiot you yell at says

1:17:35

I just discovered Libro FM l I BRO

1:17:39

I brought FM for DRM free

1:17:41

audiobooks just before listening to this

1:17:43

episode I'm

1:17:46

gonna give that a shot after the show. Yeah,

1:17:48

there's a couple ones I've been wanting lately and

1:17:51

I haven't bought them yet. Thank you everybody who

1:17:53

boosted in we really appreciate it We had 25

1:17:55

boosters this week lots of great engagement some good

1:17:57

discussions and tips And we

1:17:59

stacked five hundred and fifty 147,059 sats

1:18:01

and we

1:18:04

very much appreciate that that goes to us

1:18:06

goes editor drew cut goes to

1:18:08

the podcast index and to podverse We

1:18:10

really appreciate all of that and we

1:18:12

also thank you sat streamers out there Who

1:18:14

just set those stats to stream and listen? It's so

1:18:17

much fun to open up our dashboards and just see

1:18:19

those coming in Well often when we're

1:18:21

what when we're doing the show live We'll open

1:18:23

up the dashboard and see who's listening to the

1:18:25

previous episode while we're recording the current episode Yeah,

1:18:27

look at Eric Nord and the rotted moon earlier

1:18:29

today. Yeah There

1:18:32

you go, thank you everybody also shout

1:18:34

out to our members the unplugged core

1:18:36

contributors are the absolute best and We

1:18:39

make a special extra content members feed for

1:18:41

them. And we also have the

1:18:43

ad free version We have that linked at

1:18:46

our website Thanks. I think

1:18:48

it's also the Linux unplugged comm slash membership, but I'm not

1:18:50

positive about that But I do know we have it linked

1:18:52

at the website We very

1:18:54

much appreciate it for our pick this week, I'm

1:18:56

gonna I'm gonna call an easy one, please do

1:18:59

forgive But

1:19:01

with us doing live streaming for

1:19:03

scale and about to roll

1:19:05

out Transcripts and embrace more features

1:19:08

and with pod verse having a tough time. I'm gonna

1:19:10

give a plug for pod verse on FM Go

1:19:13

check out the pod verse app It's in Google

1:19:15

Play after I'd and the Apple App Store if

1:19:18

it doesn't fit your needs also give

1:19:20

fountain FM and true fans FM Ago,

1:19:23

but we're rolling out transcripts Apple is

1:19:26

rolling out transcripts there's more

1:19:28

and more features coming including 90-second notifications

1:19:30

from when the episodes are posted and

1:19:34

Live streaming inside the podcast app. So if

1:19:36

you're just subscribed to our assess feed and

1:19:38

we go live It's just there as

1:19:40

one of the options But the other thing that's really nice is

1:19:43

we can mark a show as pending so you'll open

1:19:45

up the feed You can see all Linux unplug is

1:19:47

going to be live in a day at this time

1:19:49

And you know ahead of time and you don't have to go to

1:19:51

our calendar page You don't have to

1:19:53

go to YouTube or any Google property or

1:19:55

any Amazon property You just listen in the

1:19:57

native podcast experience. You already enjoy right

1:20:00

from us to you. Yep, so I'm

1:20:02

gonna give a plug to podcastapps.com and specifically

1:20:04

Podverse, because it's the GPL app out there.

1:20:06

I mean, it's 2024, you deserve a podcast

1:20:08

client that can take advantage of all the

1:20:10

stuff we've got to give you the best

1:20:12

possible experience. Yeah, you know if Apple users

1:20:15

are getting this stuff, it's time for you

1:20:17

to get this stuff, right? I mean, if

1:20:19

the Apple users on their built-in Apple

1:20:22

podcast apps are getting this,

1:20:24

it's time for the rest of us to get this.

1:20:26

And we see you guys out there, we know you're

1:20:28

listening, we appreciate you. And don't forget, we're also looking

1:20:30

for your ways that you host Nextcloud. How

1:20:32

you've given it a go before, not a bad idea to

1:20:34

tell us how it's working for you too. And

1:20:37

also, we gotta know if you're nixing it up

1:20:39

and which way you nixed it, any links much

1:20:41

appreciated. And then any tips for GPL developer burnout

1:20:43

like Mitch, any tips you have around

1:20:45

that, please boost those in. We really appreciate that. And

1:20:48

of course, you can also go to linuxunplug.com, slash

1:20:51

contact. I think we're live

1:20:53

at our regular time next week, right? All that stuff's

1:20:55

normal, nothing really changing. We're kind of just locked in

1:20:57

for a bit, I think. So same bat time. Bring

1:20:59

your Nextcloud set up and we'll see you there. Yeah.

1:21:02

See you next week. Same bat time,

1:21:04

same bat station. Yeah, I think it's gonna

1:21:07

be a few weeks of regular times and

1:21:09

productions, and then we're off on the road. Catch

1:21:11

them while you can. Yeah. Now, Coda

1:21:13

Radio is gonna be on Tuesday, live this

1:21:15

week, if you wanna join me over there.

1:21:17

We put that at jupiterbroadcasting.com, slash calendar. And

1:21:20

this shall be back on Sunday at noon Pacific,

1:21:22

3 p.m. Eastern. Of course,

1:21:25

of course. At jblive.tv. Links

1:21:28

to what we talked about today. That's at linuxunplug.com,

1:21:30

slash 548. You'll

1:21:33

also find our RSS feed, the

1:21:35

membership links, the mumble links, the matrix links. It's

1:21:37

all over there. It's a website with links. And

1:21:40

they're useful. Thanks so much for joining

1:21:42

us on this week's episode. See you right back here.

1:21:45

Next week. Thanks.

1:22:00

Thank you. Thank

1:22:30

you.