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Hello, friends, and welcome

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back to your weekly

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Linux talk show. My

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name is Chris. My name is Wes. And my name is Brendan.

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Hello, gentlemen. Well, coming up on the show,

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we asked, what are the

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first five apps you install on a new

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Linux system? You answered, and we have collated

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the results. Plus,

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we have a little news we want to tell you about, then

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Chris. Hi, Wes. And hello, Wren. Hey.

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Oh, hi. Hi.

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Nice to have you all there. Also, the quiet

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listening is rocking today. How about that? It's

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so much fun. It's almost like you're here in

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the studio with us. They get a real like

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low latency Opus audio feed right off the mixer.

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Of course, so is the podcasting Tudor

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Streams also now right off the mixer. Boom.

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Just wired right in. Well,

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before we get going, I had

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a random summer inspired question. Would

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you be interested in a Jupiter? broadcasting

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camping meetup. Maybe somewhere centralized to be in

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the States for the first attempt. Probably

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something that would be reachable by vehicle

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and something where we could hold a

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few sessions. So we could do

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in-person sessions on topics that the community might have

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expertise in. Something

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I've kicked around. I don't have a great

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proposal but I would like to measure interest,

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see if it's something we should plan further.

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I'm imagining a little harmonica around the campfire.

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Mm-hmm yeah getting real cozy. Sharing

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stories about Linux. Sometimes

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using Nix. And I just

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thought could be a lot of fun. So boost in or

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send an email linuxunplug.com

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contact if you'd be

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interested in a camping meetup. Maybe some

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summer, some spring sometime. Brentley

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you have apparently a little travel news too. I

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do it looks like I'll be back in

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Berlin mid-May and I would love to do

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another meetup since they were such awesome successes

2:57

last time. Still sorting out details but there'll

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be a meetup page where you can keep

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track of all that and as usual join

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our Berlin Buds meetup room

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in our matrix and we'll

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keep the details flowing in there. That

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Berlin Buds chat room just keeps being handier and

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handier. I'm glad we

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did it. We should toss a link to

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that Berlin Buds chat room in the show notes so

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people can find that real easy. Okay are

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you ready gentlemen? We

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have the top five apps

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people install right away on a

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new Linux system. And

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I don't think number five is going to surprise

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you at all. It is a text

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editor. Yeah it

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is. It is the number five item that everybody

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had on the list after putting it all together.

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Forty Deuce says that he uses Helix.

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Zach Attack reaches for OpenOffice but he

3:48

also likes Doom Emacs. Wes

3:51

you're a Vim guy I suppose through and through

3:53

even on your personal systems? Yeah

3:55

I mean I've been using NeoVim a fair amount

3:57

these days but of course I have VS Code

3:59

and installed often as well. That was the one

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I didn't see suggested much. I will say I'm

4:04

taking a look, this reminded

4:06

me that Helix just had a release recently.

4:08

I could see using that, maybe not for like

4:10

day job stuff just yet, but for a lot

4:13

of supporting work. It seems like it's getting

4:15

a lot better. I'm excited to see they're adding a

4:17

bunch more built in language support, including

4:20

like Docker composed support is getting

4:22

better, PowerShell, and yes, even better

4:25

support for editing your Hyperland config. But

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it could be one of those sort of like, as

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features build out, as it gets closer to just

4:33

using something like VS Code, makes it a lot

4:35

more adoptable. I feel like I don't

4:38

use a text terminal editor

4:40

hardcore enough to need things

4:43

like multiple cursors or

4:45

things like that. I do like some of

4:47

the added features they're adding. Of course, it is

4:49

also built in Rust. So is that, you

4:52

know, that multi-cursor stuff pretty nice. If

4:54

you've got like a big document with a similar structure

4:56

and you just need to make changes on a

4:58

bunch of lines at the same time. Oh. Huh.

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Yeah, maybe that doesn't come up in normal stuff. But

5:04

I could do, yeah. You know, for like dev stuff, test cases,

5:06

fixture data, that kind of thing. Yeah. I'm

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curious, Brian, I was gonna ask you, what would

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it take to convince you to switch to a

5:13

new text editor? Like where are you? Whoa. What

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are you looking for and what is your current text editor?

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Okay, current text editor, which showed up as number three on

5:20

my like rated list of must

5:22

do apps. It was Kate,

5:24

I've been just, I love

5:26

Kate. And it's like one of those cozy things

5:28

I need to have on every single machine. But

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you're asking, what would it

5:33

take to switch? And

5:35

that feels like a danger zone question.

5:37

When I was last in Germany, I

5:39

had a few folks try

5:42

to convince me to do the NeoVim thing,

5:44

even with like there's a NeoVim game and

5:46

everything to get you kind of used to

5:48

all the key bindings. And so I'm like,

5:51

step one in that journey. And

5:53

actually I got a glimpse of

5:55

how compelling it is, but didn't

5:57

quite surmount the... hurdles,

6:02

plural. But I think that would be interesting, but what

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would it take? That doesn't really answer your question. I'm

6:06

just buying time here because I don't actually... I don't

6:08

know what it would take for me either. The

6:11

thing I like about Kate for

6:13

me is that it's just so well

6:16

integrated into plasma, so a lot of

6:18

key bindings and stuff are common across

6:20

applications. That's what I was thinking if

6:22

maybe you for some reason switched away

6:24

from plasma to genome or something like

6:26

that. Maybe then you might re-evaluate.

6:29

Sometimes it does it for me. That's what

6:31

jiggles the handle as I switch desktop environments,

6:33

but you're probably not doing that anytime soon.

6:35

Well, we do a bunch of testing of

6:37

different desktop environments quite often for

6:39

the show, and I always find myself

6:43

installing Kate, which is not the right

6:45

idea often because it pulls in a

6:47

ton of packages and stuff. It's

6:49

one of those just cozy apps that I really have

6:52

come to really love. I

6:54

think too there's like a... you could maybe have

6:56

the best of both worlds for you. There's

6:59

VIM or NeoVIM in practice, the actual

7:01

editor, and then there's just using the

7:04

VIM style of key bindings

7:06

and movements. I'm

7:08

a big fan of having standards.

7:11

If you look at Markdown, it's like

7:14

a standard that everybody just kind of

7:16

adopted that's common everywhere. If

7:19

you're using a new application, well, Markdown is probably

7:21

going to be in there in the same way

7:23

that it is everywhere else. Having some

7:26

of these really common key bindings, such

7:29

as VIM key bindings, just they're

7:31

common in applications where only

7:33

us nerds would really care or notice

7:36

that, but I've seen that it's surprisingly

7:38

standardized, which I like a lot. And

7:40

I mean you can just... it's like little superpowers.

7:42

You ever just need to delete everything in between

7:45

two quotes? That's three keystrokes in

7:47

them. Yeah, that's nice. I

7:49

don't disagree. I think it's

7:51

totally worth still learning that skill

7:53

set. It has been since the early days

7:55

of having a terminal. I know

7:58

people find this to be a great thing about it. I've

8:01

always kind of resented the fact that

8:03

Vi and now VIM has certain key

8:05

commands simply because keyboards didn't have certain

8:07

keys and it's from a time

8:09

when computers literally had a different

8:11

type of input device. And

8:13

so those limitations have carried over into something

8:16

that's on all of our systems now. And

8:18

I've always just found that to be annoying and

8:20

limiting. But it's also a good thing because it

8:22

is a construct and a standard. And

8:25

if you learn that, you can apply – I mean

8:27

I think even like a lot

8:29

of our markdown editors have high keybinds.

8:32

Yeah, I don't know at this point though.

8:35

I'm very invested in VS Code because

8:37

one of the things that I like

8:39

to lazy do is I like to open up

8:42

my Docker composes over an open SSH connection and

8:44

then have the fancy formatting right there. And I

8:46

can just do it right

8:48

there in my desktop environment. It's so great for like working

8:50

with markdown too. There's so many great markdown tools for VS

8:52

Code. Yeah, the real

8:54

easy preview right there. I guess I'm kind of realizing them,

8:56

kind of a little freaked out by the fact that I

8:59

feel like I'm sort of locked into VS Code, which

9:01

is fine. But I don't think

9:03

I realized how far down that rabbit hole. I wonder if

9:06

other people listening have the same problem. Are you just totally

9:08

locked into your text? I'm more locked into a text editor

9:11

than I am in an operating system. Yeah, and

9:13

this is a Microsoft text editor.

9:15

Yeah. Although they're on my good guy

9:17

list right now for the whole XZ thing. So that

9:19

bought them a lot of cred with me. He's

9:22

always one dev. You know, I've been actually

9:24

quite hesitant to completely dive into

9:26

VS Code for the exact reason you're describing

9:28

Chris. Because sometimes, it's

9:32

almost like driving a new car. If

9:34

you ever like tries your friend's car

9:36

that's like way fancier than the version

9:39

you have, then you

9:41

know what it's like. And you're always going to want

9:43

that new car and you're never going to then from

9:45

that point on be happy with your own. And

9:48

that's true for so many different, you know, like a

9:50

camera. If you're a camera person, it's the same deal.

9:52

Like you have a particular generation of camera and you

9:54

use that and you're happy with it. But as soon

9:56

as you try like the newest thing, it changes

9:59

your perspective. And so I've been really hesitant

10:01

even though it probably would help me to

10:03

dive into VS code or even VS code

10:06

Um, because I feel like once you do

10:08

it's Maybe

10:10

that's silly Reasoning

10:12

but once you do like everything

10:15

else just seems a little not as

10:17

good VS code EM doesn't feel like

10:19

a silver bolt solution to the problem

10:21

either because it's still ultimately dependent on

10:24

Microsoft It's definitely been

10:26

you know, D Microsoft a bit

10:28

and I suppose that's one layer better But

10:31

you're not getting away from that dependence. I

10:34

suppose maybe it's worth thinking about the like what what

10:37

Areas, you know, it's like if more editors had

10:39

a remote SSH thing with that, you know and

10:41

decent Docker compose support with that No, they do.

10:43

Yeah. I mean there's not the only editor that

10:45

does that. Yeah You know because

10:47

there's there's part of it. I think a lot of the value is

10:50

it's available pretty much everywhere It's easy to install.

10:52

It's free. I run the VS code server version

10:54

on my tail net too So I always can

10:57

just go to HTTPS code. So it's

10:59

highly available. It's configuration out of the box

11:01

You don't really need to do anything. You

11:03

can do it. You don't need to to

11:05

have it just work, right? And there's plugins

11:08

that install very quickly and easily with no

11:10

restart available for pretty much everything Mm-hmm.

11:12

You just nailed it. Another one on the plugins is

11:15

that it's very targeted. It's pretty much the first thing

11:17

that's targeted for plugins Yes Yeah,

11:20

like there's a lot of things that will come out

11:22

and they almost times they just launch as a VS

11:24

code plugin, right? And then

11:26

eventually maybe there's like the IntelliJ version Mm-hmm.

11:28

Yeah, it's pretty wild and you and me

11:30

because of the plugins pluses in minus, right?

11:32

And maybe some folks prefer the other way,

11:34

but you don't need like a per this is my Python

11:36

editor And this is my Java editor. This is my yeah

11:38

I mean you can still do that, of course, but that's

11:41

why I like it and especially because I don't spend time

11:44

Every day in any one of those few things Something

11:46

that's pretty good at understanding a lot of things.

11:48

I throw at it is really handy So

11:51

yeah, I'm just thinking about

11:53

that They

11:56

got it they got me. Um, are you ready for number

11:58

four on the list gentlemen? I was surprised by

12:00

this. This is based on the submissions. Of course, it's

12:03

probably skewed because it is our audience. But

12:05

when I sorted, the number

12:08

four most commonly

12:10

installed application on a brand new

12:12

Linux system was Tailscale.

12:16

Tailscale was like a little comment saying,

12:18

and this is the same for me, required

12:20

to connect to their other applications. Yeah, I

12:22

think it's become part of the necessary bootstrap,

12:24

right? It is

12:26

for me, man. When I

12:28

have to reboot the PyZell, I

12:30

mean, as the thing is loading, just

12:33

as the icons are like tapping on the Tailscale

12:35

and I'm launching and I'm making sure I'm connected

12:37

to Tailscale because everything, all my sync services, everything

12:39

is on my tailnet. Yeah, now

12:42

that you've really built out a lot. But yeah,

12:44

I think it could also be Netbird or Nebula

12:46

or whatever, but getting your sort of core networking

12:48

infrastructure, which these days is often now a

12:51

slick mesh VPN that gives you

12:53

an overlay network. You start by

12:55

using it as a VPN. You're

12:57

like, okay, I'll use it to connect these two systems

12:59

or whatever, or these three systems. But then you really

13:02

start to understand, oh, this is where I should host

13:04

everything. This is actually like my own little private internet.

13:06

I think there

13:09

are a lot of great ways to solve that. Definitely

13:11

worth checking out. If you haven't played with

13:13

like WestJet, Netbird or Nebula or Tailscale, it

13:15

seems to be getting very common in our audience,

13:17

and I can see why. A

13:20

lot of these also let you add, right? Like you can

13:22

use that to add like a security or ACL type layer

13:24

on top if that's useful. Yeah, very much. Can

13:27

I ask you, Chris, how that's gone with

13:29

family members? Because I know a lot of

13:32

your self-hosted services are serving family basically. I

13:35

only really have solved it for a couple of them.

13:37

The others are just sort of lost actions. And

13:41

I'll tell you, for like media services, damn

13:43

you, Brent. The

13:46

honest answer here is the Apple TV

13:48

is so great for this now because

13:50

Tailscale released an app for

13:52

the Apple TV, and it's rock solid. It

13:55

connects immediately when the Apple TV boots, and

13:57

so you can have all your media services on your tail.

14:00

that with no public exposure, Plex or no nothing

14:02

like that has to know what you're doing. And

14:05

the Apple TV just connects immediately. It's so nice for that

14:07

kind of stuff. You could probably get the app, you could

14:10

probably sideload it on the Shield or any of the Android

14:12

based ones. So that's been great.

14:14

The only downside there is so

14:16

far I haven't really solved it for like the TVs

14:18

when we go to an Airbnb that you can't install

14:21

Tailscale on. But

14:23

now on our next trip I'm going to bring a

14:25

little GLINet and maybe I

14:27

could set this up as like a subnet router or

14:29

something like that and then solve that problem. I don't

14:32

really know yet. But here's that.

14:34

So Tailscale at number 6 makes sense and I

14:36

think you guys will probably be a little surprised.

14:39

All right, our number 3 category had a little bit of

14:41

a surprise in it. The

14:44

number 3 most often installed

14:46

application on a new fresh

14:48

Linux system was

14:51

Element. Closely

14:54

followed by Signal. Element

14:56

chat closely followed by Signal. You know what I didn't see

14:58

come in at all? I don't

15:00

think. I don't think I saw anyone submit Telegram.

15:02

It was on our list. Nobody

15:05

submitted Telegram anymore. Element

15:07

and Signal, what do you think of that? I'm

15:10

surprised by Element. But

15:12

I think as folks who are

15:14

pretty self hosting

15:17

friendly it makes a lot of sense, doesn't it?

15:20

Also security and privacy conscious. Yeah, that's true. That's true. And

15:22

if you're in our community you might be hanging out in

15:24

our chat room. So all right, it makes sense. All right,

15:27

let's keep going. The number 2, not going to surprise you

15:29

here really so I won't tease it. Firefox

15:32

and Brave. Zach Attack reported Brave. Hybrid

15:35

sarcasm mentioned Firefox and Firefox

15:38

Sync. And this actually

15:40

gets to my list. Not

15:43

to spoil it but my first item that

15:45

I install is a browser

15:49

and the extension sync which pulls

15:51

down Bitwarden and

15:53

then I just start logging into everything. Because a

15:55

lot of the apps these days too do like

15:57

an OAuth login that actually pops up the web

15:59

browser. and makes you log in through the web anyways. Yeah. So

16:02

I gotta get that going right away. So

16:05

I'm not surprised that we saw that. I

16:07

appreciated Hybrid Sarcasm pointing out specifically because I

16:09

needed to get Firefox Sync working. I

16:12

was there with you. And then in that same kind of vein, the

16:14

number one first installed

16:17

application on a fresh Linux

16:19

system. This one makes

16:21

absolute sense if you were to ask me.

16:23

It is, surprise, surprise, a password

16:26

manager. It just unlocks everything

16:28

else, doesn't it? Yeah, I'd like

16:30

Minitat. He gave us little details

16:32

of his OpSec situation. He says

16:34

he's using Proton Pass with key

16:36

pass XC as a backup. I

16:39

have questions about this. Wow, what

16:41

is the process here? Is it like, oh, every

16:43

time I change something, you gotta change it in both

16:45

places? That's a great

16:47

question. How do you back it up

16:49

into a different, maybe it back. Or are you okay

16:51

with a drift? Do you accept X amount of desync

16:53

of, you lost the newest two passwords because

16:56

you do a backup once a month or

16:58

two? That wouldn't be horrible. Maybe

17:00

Proton exports into a key pass. That would be

17:02

handy, right? Yeah, can you just trigger that? Okay,

17:04

so a couple of things surprised me about the

17:06

list. We only got one mention of

17:08

Steam. Minitat had it number four

17:10

on his list. Only one

17:12

mention of Steam. Also surprised

17:14

me. Fort Deuce had

17:17

get as number one on his list.

17:19

Nobody else mentioned get. Because

17:22

they're all curl pipe into batch. But

17:26

it's often installed by default as well. Oh,

17:28

true, yeah. Has this jogged any

17:30

thoughts, Wes, of what your first go-to application is

17:32

on a new Linux system? I feel like get

17:34

probably would have been up there and these days

17:37

now it's nix. I've just

17:39

transitioned to getting so much of my software that

17:41

way. Like Firefox. I

17:43

do that in nix.io. No. On the

17:46

Ubuntu install? Yeah. Yeah. Might

17:48

as well. Uh-huh. Why not? What's

17:50

really cool about that is that instead

17:52

of bringing your applications between different systems,

17:54

you're just bringing your package manager and

17:56

everything's all the same. And

17:58

you can just install the same package. packages. All

18:01

right, Brad, what about you? What's your number one

18:03

first app that you installed in a password manager?

18:06

It is, and I kind of saw this

18:08

as like, I just assumed everyone would have

18:10

similar processes because they're almost like categories, right?

18:12

It's like, okay, first, everybody needs

18:15

access to their secrets,

18:17

basically, to let them into anything else they

18:19

want to do, like file syncing or whatever.

18:21

So yeah, password manager is right at the

18:23

top. You're going to probably

18:25

embarrass me because I use key pass still.

18:27

I don't know why. I still don't, I

18:29

don't know. I don't trust the online stuff

18:31

still. You know, just for the first time

18:33

in my memory the

18:36

other day, I used Bitwarden. I was going

18:38

to make several new accounts real quick and

18:40

things stopped. I couldn't save.

18:43

Oh. About two

18:45

months ago, I had

18:47

Bitwarden not syncing between my systems

18:50

for the day and then it

18:52

synced later on. And that

18:54

day I needed to log in on four different

18:56

computers to that new account because I'd set up

18:58

a new service and I was using it in

19:01

different spots. And so

19:03

every time I saved it in Bitwarden

19:05

on every computer and then I ended up

19:07

with four versions now in my vault. So

19:10

it like synced all up at one point when the

19:12

back end came back online. And now

19:14

I've got four copies in there. And

19:16

of course, the other thing is, is go

19:19

figure like the day it wasn't working for me was the

19:21

day where I was logging into that service four frickin' different

19:23

times. So every time I was having to like go look

19:25

up the password. Anyways, every now and

19:27

then I have had sync issues, but it's otherwise been

19:29

like really solid. The thing I've really

19:32

loved about KeePass and its kind of rudimentary

19:35

approach, shall we say, compared to

19:38

some more modern KeePass password managers

19:41

is that occasionally when I'm setting up a new

19:43

system, be it a, I don't know, a new

19:45

laptop or a phone, it's

19:48

not always in the ideal circumstances. So

19:50

occasionally I'll find myself just like SSHing

19:54

a KeePass database over to a new computer because

19:56

I, I don't know, don't have

19:58

access to file syncing for whatever. a reason.

20:00

So often that's one

20:02

of the very first things I do when I

20:04

install a new system is just get a

20:07

KeyPass database on that system. It doesn't need

20:09

to be syncing. It just needs to give

20:11

me enough access to then have access to

20:13

the syncing stuff. I found

20:15

KeyPass just to be a nice fallback

20:18

in that way. It has a bunch of

20:20

different ways I can use it. Sometimes that's

20:23

actually great. Do

20:25

you both set up FISH pretty quickly on a new system?

20:27

Oh yeah. If

20:30

I'm going to be using it for any life at times. Yeah.

20:33

FISH is one of those systems where

20:35

when I was mentioning VS Code, you

20:37

try a new shell and

20:40

then you just can never use an old shell again. FISH

20:42

is one of those for me. Anywhere I

20:44

am, I install it because now I

20:46

can't use... Bash is just

20:48

seen so deprecated in comparison. Yeah,

20:52

it's not great for my memory. I'll tell you that.

20:54

There are times where I'll sit down and the system

20:56

doesn't have FISH and I'm like, oh yeah, what is

20:58

the command? Does it have a dash here or not?

21:00

Is it one word? That is a bit of a

21:02

problem. It's not so bad. I love FISH. FISH is

21:04

definitely on my list. Obviously

21:07

chats are too. Brent, for

21:09

me, it's a category. It'll

21:11

either be installed via Package Manager

21:13

like Nyx or I go on

21:15

FlatHub and I just new

21:17

tab, new tab, new tab, new tab, new tab, new tab

21:19

of all of the applications and I just go get their

21:21

name. They're regular whatever

21:24

actual Flat Pack name is and

21:26

I just do one Flat Pack install command and

21:29

I just paste them all in there all at once and

21:31

it will just pull it all down and figure it all

21:33

out. So I'll do all my messaging clients and all

21:36

of my Flat Packs in one

21:38

go and I believe you actually could do it declaratively if

21:40

you were using Nyx fully but I kind

21:42

of enjoy the process of perusing FlatHub and

21:45

finding the new things or alternative versions of

21:47

things and trying them and so

21:49

like Telegram and Element and all

21:51

of that. It's just getting all blasted on at

21:53

once. Yeah, I think, you know, Nyx changed what

21:55

mine would be but then also just the prevalence

21:58

of things that are both especially for... It's

22:00

and password managers and a few these categories

22:02

where. Others web version and

22:04

there's the like an electron. this

22:06

version. Of so I think I kind

22:08

of progressively go on a new system. I might

22:10

just use a bunch of stuff in the browser

22:13

for a while and I decide like okay no

22:15

listed for the for the things I'm doing on

22:17

this machine I do need for. I've.

22:19

Been using my Mac book a lot

22:22

and so that means there's a ton

22:24

of things are not natively available to

22:26

arm Linux and. Like.

22:29

Element I is one of them. And.

22:31

So Slack is not packaged for

22:34

Arm linux. Or in this

22:36

is no shame on the side project it's really

22:38

Killers has the developers that remakes he's so nice

22:40

play out what are not return are packed up

22:42

stuff ironically they're making for our Mac O s

22:44

or whatever but this time whenever the the probably

22:47

maker for arm windows when they sell ten of

22:49

those devices assessed. By.

22:51

Die having to run some of these

22:53

apps I had traditionally ran as electronics

22:55

having to now run them in a

22:57

browser tab that happens to be Firefox.

23:00

I'm. Not kidding, you have. Not every single one of them

23:02

seemed faster. So. There isn't actually like

23:04

it is not so much of a downside

23:06

because slack and element. Art.

23:09

Unequivocally faster. just obviously faster in Firefox. I

23:11

don't know what's going on when it's way

23:13

better at it. The thing that I can

23:15

get around doing that is and and I

23:17

know I have a special kind of problem

23:19

with like windows and tabs with her as

23:22

a distress. Everything then in my like at

23:24

the taskbar is is all the same icon

23:26

and the can't like quickly get to differ

23:28

thing. Yeah is there any ideas on how

23:30

to solve our cars that be nice? Well

23:32

we have like a sort of command browser

23:34

intellect and browsed my mean interface browser and

23:37

like this in Amoebas other windows for research.

23:39

Or whatever. And I did. The system is

23:41

a sister to me, has bar becomes that

23:43

window switcher. Yeah sub O s in a

23:45

I guess he has to the o s

23:47

really the browser. To. Me:

23:50

This. Assault with multiple monitors and

23:53

I have ah multiple monitors

23:55

with them with pinned tabs.

23:57

That. It's like all the chat. Or

24:00

on one browser window. On one

24:02

monitor. And they're all pinned to the get like

24:04

little red dots when there's any message. Which. I

24:06

find to be sufficient for now. Have a

24:08

and actually to be honest with you brands. And

24:11

ninety percent of the time I'm in do not

24:14

disturb mode I don't want the notification learn the

24:16

flashy flashes anyways. I'll check the ones you know

24:18

are important or yes, fifteen things from twins only.

24:20

This kind of better but it's I think for

24:22

me is less about the messages that are coming

24:24

in and more about the message as I want

24:26

to send out because like if there's any friction

24:28

to yeah you know, changing context and I find

24:31

that really disruptive. Yeah.

24:33

I think if I could have all things

24:35

being equal, I'd probably. Still, Prefer

24:37

to have. Standalone. Applications

24:40

like an alt tab through and manages

24:42

individual windows. Ah,

24:44

An Earth is way to use a me like Neda.

24:46

Fire with the Firefox ends in the for fought for

24:49

a hot minute. Firefox had that functionality or you could

24:51

make web apps a separate standalone app so as they

24:53

brought that back if anybody knows how to do that,

24:55

Firefox. Please. Let me know I'm

24:57

I know the answer for bread a night when

24:59

it comes to file think his next cloud. Do.

25:02

You use any kind of file thinking. I'm

25:04

i do some sinking with think thing. Oh.

25:07

Yes thinks it's great. I lie your sees the crap

25:09

out of that. Are probably you don't

25:11

do much sinking on the desktop if you want to

25:13

send the file or are you probably just net cat?

25:16

Not. Carrying it around. In their

25:18

money. There's.

25:21

Something about. Like.

25:23

Working on a file upstairs in my office.

25:25

In. Editing the file again a clip or

25:27

fine a music finding a song, Is.

25:30

Saving in a folder and in coming down here

25:32

in the studio and opening up on a computer

25:34

down here and I've done nothing to facilitate that.

25:36

it just happened on the back and I the

25:38

children's parents love it whereas I love it. And.

25:40

It worked so great for like oh, I'm

25:42

working from home today. Will. Let me

25:44

just sync up alc have got all my files or

25:47

got all my my sound bored. I got everything any

25:49

to go. Southall. I

25:51

think that's actually Chris, something that I appreciate

25:53

about Kate. And you'll tell me if I'm

25:56

wrong about this with the other text editors

25:58

is that. Can just you

26:00

the reloading of certain files and. Yeah.

26:02

And that, you know when I'm bouncing between machines

26:04

are so valuable I don't think about it. Yeah.

26:07

Very true. Night. And not disagree.

26:09

But for me, a foul sinking is actually

26:11

way at the top of my list. I

26:13

didn't see it on anyone's list in our

26:15

sort of audience top five. But for me

26:17

now, like the second thing I do on

26:19

any new system because it just gives me

26:22

access to everything else like even. Often

26:24

just like. My. Knowledge base of

26:27

how do on are now do some esoteric

26:29

next commanding and my system up and running

26:31

so it's is just so nice. Way up

26:33

the topless password manager. The number two is

26:35

is as and. fly.com/on

26:40

tight. You've probably heard me

26:42

talk about collide before. But.

26:45

Did you hear the Clyde was acquired by

26:47

one password? That's a big deal at pert

26:49

My ears up because I know both. These

26:51

companies have been focused on the end user

26:53

for a long time. Some of the best

26:55

experiences out there and for over a year.

26:57

Clyde Device Trust is help companies with Octa

26:59

ensure that only secure devices can access their

27:01

data. That. Means somebody doesn't login

27:04

if they have fished credentials or somebody catch it

27:06

on of they're not up to your policies. And.

27:08

That's what they're still doing. But. Now they're

27:11

doing his part of one password so if he got

27:13

off and you been means you check out flight. Now.

27:15

Is a great time. Know what? it kept me

27:18

in the business for longer? Truly makes idea little

27:20

more livable and collide comes to the library. Of

27:22

prebuilt device posture checks. But of course you can always

27:25

write your own checks for just about anything you can

27:27

think of when you need it. And.

27:30

I think the great thing is is Clyde will work

27:32

on devices with out and M D M. So

27:35

your linux leap? Yes! Contractor

27:37

Devices. Finally, Just.

27:40

About every be a I A phone or

27:42

laptop or tablet are animal, raspberry Pi I

27:44

know. You wouldn't believe the things I

27:46

saw people bringing. You. Wouldn't believe it. Slides.

27:49

There for you and now they're part of

27:51

one password so they're only gonna get better

27:53

to go check it out. polite.com/unplugged to learn

27:56

or go watch the demo C outwards. Also.

27:58

going and checking it out that supports the show. So

28:00

it's kolide.com/unplugged

28:04

collide.com/unplugged and

28:06

thanks to collide for sponsoring the unplugged program.

28:12

Well if you've been paying attention you'll know

28:14

we're a little bit excited about BcacheFS

28:17

here on the program. Some

28:19

good news and I guess a

28:21

little bad news depending in

28:23

that just two days after a

28:26

Linux 6.9 pull request was

28:28

submitted for BcacheFS to better cope

28:30

with quote-unquote extreme file

28:32

system damage we got another pull

28:34

request for this current kernel that

28:37

aimed to improve recovery capabilities of

28:39

this newer not-beyond-write file system. Extreme?

28:43

Extreme. You

28:46

know you got to really appreciate the early adopter

28:48

coats out there that are out there

28:50

trying this putting their data at risk. That could

28:52

have been us Wes. I feel like that could

28:54

have been us. Yeah so it's like the good

28:57

news is the capabilities

28:59

for recovery are getting much more

29:01

sophisticated and reliable in BcacheFS. The

29:03

bad news is it's early days.

29:05

Yeah. It's early days for the file system. Bad

29:08

news is they had a reason to try those

29:10

tools I suppose. In the future

29:12

you'll be able to blow away all metadata except

29:14

for extents and leaf nodes and

29:16

the system will be able to reconstruct

29:19

basically everything else giving you your data

29:21

back under the correct path. So that

29:23

sounds pretty promising. I guess

29:25

in this case the

29:28

patch that was tested by a user in

29:30

India who accidentally wiped one drive out of

29:32

a three drive file system with

29:34

no replication on

29:37

the family computer. Oh man I feel

29:39

that one. But I mean listen to

29:41

this from Kent it

29:43

took a couple weeks but we got

29:45

everything important back. No kidding. Yeah. So

29:49

recovery tools seem to work.

29:51

But but Bcache on the

29:53

family computer. Okay yeah a little

29:55

early for that. I guess

29:57

I didn't even think about that but that is probably a little early.

30:00

I thought it was summed up nicely. It

30:02

has a recording early this

30:04

week. 6.9

30:06

RC3 just happened to release and Linus commented,

30:10

Okay, so this RC3 looks a bit

30:12

different than the usual because there's a

30:14

large series to B-CacheFS to do file

30:16

system repair after corruption. Not

30:19

normally something we'd see in an

30:21

RC kernel, but hey, if

30:23

you had a corrupted B-CacheFS file system, you'd

30:26

probably want this. And if

30:28

you thought B-CacheFS was stable already, I

30:30

have a bridge to sell you. Special deal, only

30:33

for you? Real cheap. Oh man, I

30:35

wonder if that stings for Kent to see Linus

30:38

put that part in there. But it is true.

30:40

It is early days, and it's probably good that

30:42

we are very clear about reminding

30:44

people of that. Yeah, I mean, you know, already you

30:47

shouldn't have one copy of important things, and you

30:49

definitely shouldn't have that one copy on a B-CacheFS

30:52

system. Not that we would ever do that. No,

30:54

not yet. But soon. Nice

30:57

to see that get immediate attention though by the kernel

30:59

team. You know, that could be something in days

31:01

past, years past where it would sit around for months, and

31:03

it would be a few releases, and it's nice to see

31:06

that actually getting immediate attention. And you know,

31:08

these kinds of recovery from bad

31:11

events that will happen in the

31:14

field will happen as a bunch of users start

31:16

using it. It's probably a phase we

31:18

need to go through to sort of get to the next level of stability

31:21

and have all of these new repair code

31:23

and utilities actually tested out there. Now

31:26

this next story, I thought maybe

31:28

Brent had like pulled

31:31

an April Fool's prank on us or something.

31:33

I mean, I'm still not 100% sure if

31:35

this is not an April Fool's prank,

31:37

but Josh was troubled, known for his work

31:39

on the budget desktop in Solus, along

31:42

with some Fedora developers, have

31:45

submitted a change proposal to

31:48

Fedora to switch Fedora's primary

31:50

desktop environment from GNOME

31:53

to Plasma Workstation. Wait, what?

31:55

Yeah, I like this a lot. The

31:58

argument essentially says that... that

32:00

Plasma 6 has gotten to agree, here's what they write,

32:02

they say, with the release of Plasma 6, KDA

32:05

Plasma has developed into a high quality, well-regarded

32:08

desktop experience. It's

32:11

been at the forefront of creating a cohesive

32:13

desktop platform that empowers users to

32:15

have full ownership of their computing experience.

32:18

They don't really go at GNOME or anything.

32:21

They mention, you know, there's been recent

32:23

waylid improvements. But wait, there's one

32:25

little, you know, take it. Oh, is there, did I

32:28

miss that? Unlike other desktop

32:30

experiences, such as GNOME, the

32:33

API is leveraged by Plasma applets and

32:35

widgets have been more stable across minor

32:37

Plasma releases, reducing long-term user frustration and

32:40

promoting the healthier ecosystem for developers and

32:42

users alike. That's a well-written shot at

32:44

extensions, isn't it? Yeah. You

32:47

know how you hate when your GNOME extensions

32:49

break? Use Plasma. What do you think of

32:51

this, guys? I mean,

32:53

probably a snowball's chance, right? But

32:56

what do you think? This

32:58

would really generate discussion if this happened. I'm

33:00

trying to remember, do you remember that sort

33:02

of discussion around the blog post sort of

33:04

defining how like GNOME was really

33:07

important to the, you know, like

33:09

if it wasn't just the default desktop experience,

33:11

it was something that like Fedora was,

33:13

you know, building in and optimizing around

33:15

in a very deliberate way. Yes. It's

33:17

hard to imagine that changing. But

33:20

maybe, I mean, maybe you just, you know, it's

33:22

not GNOME, as long as you have the right

33:24

primitives in place, either one could

33:26

express sort of the Fedora desktop vision. I

33:29

mean, so I'm

33:31

just, I guess, toying with the idea of this actually

33:33

being a thing. My initial reaction

33:36

is maybe the very, you know,

33:38

just as Plasma

33:40

6 is being introduced is maybe the wrong time, you

33:43

know, way to point release or two when it's

33:46

a little bit more stable. Maybe that would make

33:48

a lot more sense. I don't think it's likely

33:50

to happen. I don't, I see,

33:52

so Matthew Miller jumps in on the conversation four

33:54

days ago. He says this is a

33:56

matter of process and decision making. So he's closing down

33:58

the conversation because the change process... This is for engineering

34:00

decisions and it's decided by the FESCO. So

34:05

that's why it should either be closed or withdrawn. I'm

34:07

going to take the privileged action of dropping the mic

34:09

and closing this topic. That doesn't mean

34:11

that these tangential discussions need to stop. I

34:14

just try to think if this actually did happen,

34:16

it would be so beneficial for plasma. I mean,

34:18

we saw the sprint that happened around plasma when

34:21

Fedora announced that they were making

34:24

changes to go whaling or they're doing this or that to

34:26

ship plasma. Like you saw the results, it

34:29

gave them a rallying point. You

34:31

would just think if you could increase the user

34:33

base of plasma even more so you could catch

34:35

more things, make more refinements, the team is so

34:37

responsive and good about feedback, it

34:39

would be so great for the plasma desktop.

34:42

But I think what you touched on Wes

34:44

is the truth, is the Fedora community doesn't

34:46

see Fedora workstation

34:50

as Linux that ships GNOME. They

34:52

see it as an integrated experience and

34:55

GNOME is absolutely part of that. But

34:57

Chris, back in your day, KDE was

34:59

kind of everywhere as the main desktop

35:02

environment and that slowly switched to GNOME.

35:06

It would be interesting to see it switch back.

35:09

I suppose that is kind of true. If you go

35:11

back to the Mandrake days and

35:13

the OpenSUSE days where

35:15

they had a lot of user share, that is true. It was a

35:17

lot of KDE plasma. I don't even know if we called it plasma

35:19

back then. It

35:22

would be an interesting world where we would – how

35:24

much were we talking about when Ubuntu came back

35:26

to shipping by default

35:28

and the Fedora and Ubuntu

35:30

landing and found very similar setups. For

35:33

that to switch out to plasma would be I think quite

35:36

notable. But it would also make me wonder how

35:38

much good additional contributions,

35:40

bug fixes, just

35:42

sort of momentum would that send to the plasma project

35:45

which could be really nice. Yeah, geez, I would love

35:47

to see that. I

35:50

think this is probably – I would love to

35:52

see a real nuanced response to

35:54

why it is a no. I

35:56

would love to see a nuanced answer as to

35:58

articulate why GNOME. And because

36:01

it really, Fedora Workstation really is kind

36:03

of targeted at a

36:05

more sophisticated developer audience and

36:08

power users. And you

36:10

could see that user base that would probably

36:12

be more inclined to like something like Plasma.

36:14

I mean, I find

36:16

that Plasma does so much stuff. And yes, it's

36:18

a lot. That's exactly part of the problem, I

36:20

suppose, from the GNOME perspective. But I don't

36:23

know. I guess when I discover that Plasma has

36:25

some capability or feature, I'm never put off by

36:27

that. I'm always impressed and grateful

36:29

that some developer took the time to integrate that and

36:31

that it has those kinds of power user features. And

36:34

you just kind of keep discovering them as

36:36

you continue to use Plasma. And yes, it's a

36:38

lot. But I don't know.

36:41

It's something about acknowledging that you're using a powerful

36:43

tool and giving you access to take

36:45

advantage of it to the best way and most efficient

36:47

way possible. And I feel like

36:50

that's kind of a philosophy that Plasma has really embraced.

36:53

And it does seem like that mentality would

36:55

kind of match up well with a leading edge

36:57

style distribution like Fedora. I just don't

37:00

think it's going to happen. But you know,

37:02

the Plasma flavor of Fedora is a release

37:04

blocking edition, so they work hard on it.

37:06

Yeah, that's for sure. It's going to be

37:08

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37:11

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37:36

now it is time for Le Boost. Our

37:39

baller booster this week is Sassnamite

37:41

coming in with 100,000 sass. Hey,

37:43

Richard, I see you. is

38:00

still full of pins and not great for

38:02

typing. I've been using Apple's

38:04

mediocre dictation service, but I'm finally back

38:06

home at my Linux workstation and I'm

38:09

looking for a dictation solution for GNOME,

38:11

ideally one that runs locally and

38:14

doesn't require epic amounts of configuration.

38:16

Any suggestions? Wow. Well

38:19

gosh, Mike, so sorry to hear that. Yeah, man.

38:21

You know, Sessna Mike gave us

38:23

one of the best beat up experiences of our

38:26

lives, where he took

38:28

us up in a Sessna and flew around Denver, gave us

38:30

all a little view and family members and

38:32

friends that wanted to go too. That was a lot of good

38:34

fun. So, and he seemed

38:36

like an active guy, so I can imagine this

38:38

has been quite the setback. So we're really sorry

38:40

to hear that. Wes, do you

38:42

remember there was a tool I was using for

38:45

a hot minute that would pull down models and

38:47

could do transcription on the fly on the Linux

38:49

desktop? There

38:51

was an app that I had been using and

38:53

it could do translations, it

38:55

could do text to speech and speech to text. I think

38:58

it was on Flat Hub. Yeah. Maybe we

39:00

can find it again. Yeah, we'll take a look. I

39:02

know there's gotta be others out there. You know,

39:04

Piper and Whisper are the two core technologies you

39:06

probably wanna look into. Anything

39:08

that's powered by those is gonna be able to do this for

39:10

you. I mean, there's other things

39:12

out there. I'd imagine maybe people could boost in and tell

39:14

us what they are. Yeah, if you have ideas, please do.

39:16

But as far as new tooling that's come along that's pretty

39:18

good and modern, it's Whisper and Piper,

39:20

I think, that are gonna be doing a lot of the heavy

39:22

lifting there. And you can run them as containers, I'm just not

39:25

quite sure what the output format would be. Yeah,

39:27

I think the trick is gonna be if you needed the tie-in so it can

39:29

input into

39:32

your whatever text box, right? Yeah,

39:34

that's gonna be the tricky part on

39:36

Linux. That's where we could really use some advice

39:38

from the audience. He says, I'm typing this

39:40

using the Aqua voice website that was promoted on Hacker

39:43

News a week or two ago. It's

39:45

okay, but it jumps around quite a bit and it

39:47

isn't running locally. Also, let us know what

39:49

the plans are for Denver. I may be back there getting pins

39:51

removed about the same time you'll be out there. It'd be great to

39:53

see you all. Yeah, it would. Well, we're gonna

39:55

be out there for Red Hat Summit. Do you know the

39:57

dates West off the top of your May 6th through 9th?

40:00

I believe yeah, man. We'd love to see you Wow

40:03

Keep us posted on how it's going to yeah. Thanks

40:06

for writing in hybrid sarcasm

40:08

comes in with 50,000

40:10

said I hoard that which your

40:13

kind covers double Sunday twice the

40:15

goodness twice the boost Thank

40:19

you hybrid that is very generous of you

40:22

You're like like if I don't hear from hybrid like I wonder

40:24

if he's okay. You're such a consistent reliable booster I'm like I

40:26

hope we hear from hybrid is he all right? We

40:28

gotta get this man a beer Beverage of his choice

40:30

maybe a root beer. I don't I don't care whatever

40:33

he likes now Four twelve Linux came in

40:35

with five boosts total for five

40:37

thousand and twelve sets Agents

40:41

really been enjoying the latest shows the

40:44

members feed is the absolute best feed

40:47

Here's a little bit of requested feedback Regarding

40:50

the fountain livestream. I've listened to it while

40:52

on a walk and it's great the quality

40:54

is good It's a great option while

40:56

on the go. Oh, that's nice. Thank

40:59

you Yes, we are now live in

41:01

the apps for podcasting 2.0 you the great thing there

41:03

is you see the pending in your time So you

41:05

see when the show is gonna be and when we're

41:07

live? But then also

41:09

if you just want to use your web browser on your

41:12

phone or on your computer when we're live you can just

41:14

Go to JB live FM and pull it in

41:16

that way because it's really just pulling in an audio stream regarding

41:18

hardware I would encourage other listeners to

41:20

explore B link or other mini PC

41:23

brands Just recently purchased an n100 s12

41:25

Pro for $125 It's

41:29

gonna make a great media server. I Published

41:32

an article at four twelve linux.io regarding

41:34

the hardware acceleration if that's helpful Was

41:36

able to play a 4k media while sipping 14

41:39

watts thanks to quick sync These mini

41:41

PCs are replaced all of my needs

41:43

for Raspberry Pis. Oh, they

41:45

sent us a list to of the first things

41:48

they install after Fresh Linux

41:50

system they run a full update on the OS

41:52

and apps. Yeah, of course. I can't believe I

41:54

didn't mention that But you asked for apps I

41:56

think Yeah, and depending how I

41:58

deploy it now. I just am deploying the latest software

42:00

generally install VPN software

42:02

yep check that box remove Firefox snap and

42:04

install the dev install PCSCSD for my Yubik

42:06

keys strapping

42:13

trust sort of operation and then

42:15

Romania QO notes which is

42:18

we do not talk about QO notes

42:20

enough I I've been thinking about going

42:22

going from going back from obsidian to

42:24

QO notes again mumble codium

42:27

element desktop and recently now proton mail

42:29

Linux app yes but I suppose I

42:31

should now include log seek and yes

42:33

stuff I'm and it has its

42:35

own thing we did see one log seek come in too

42:37

no I wonder what they use mumble for I hope

42:40

it's our chat room I hope it's our room that'd

42:42

be great this is I appreciate the

42:44

effort to for making the production each week well thank you

42:47

Nick about who is comes I think

42:49

comes in seven thousand seven hundred three

42:51

what this

42:54

is from the Friday stream we did

42:56

a noster Friday stream and a little

42:58

noster workshop which is posted on extras

43:00

show and Nick was listening

43:02

live and he gave us a

43:04

postal code from the Netherlands so

43:07

7534 West pain

43:10

are you looking it up okay and should they and shetty

43:14

I think that's what we did on the industry yeah and

43:16

shetty that's what it was yeah in shed the Netherlands

43:20

okay I don't think I

43:22

think you had it right for the second time

43:24

in shetty yeah yeah you're going or bro there

43:26

you go yep that's definitely it that's gotta be

43:28

it's just a natural West now

43:30

Mary Oscar came in with 10,000 sats

43:33

also the noster workshop thanks for

43:36

helping us test the noster web

43:38

chat it's over nine thousand thank

43:40

you Oscar yeah it's really exciting

43:42

to see you know maybe a

43:44

real possible use case for

43:46

us at least for noster besides

43:48

just using it for me to tweet off random things or whatever

43:50

you call it I guess post fun to have a nice excuse

43:52

to play with it it is it is the noster

43:54

workshop could be definitely worth checking out it was really

43:56

fun we gave out a bunch of Albie invite codes

43:58

as well and we Got rid of all of

44:00

them, which was really actually super

44:03

fun. So thanks for everyone who showed up and

44:05

asked for some albi invite codes extras

44:08

that show slash 90 40

44:10

deuce comes in with four thousand two hundred

44:12

and forty two sats. I was some honorable

44:14

app mentions Rep

44:16

grip FD and Duff Duf Duf.

44:19

That's a rip grip rip

44:21

grip. What did I say? I said rip

44:23

grip grip. No, I did I a brave

44:25

p cloud tick tick log sec.

44:28

There's a log sec Spotify, you

44:30

know, we didn't see much Spotify. We did see a couple honorable

44:33

mentions top grade Top

44:35

grade and then everything else in his next config. Oh

44:37

top grade is a upgrade everything Yeah,

44:40

I was looking at top grade that we

44:42

could make that a pic really we should take a look at that I think

44:44

we need to call out here how 42 wrote in Mostly

44:48

formatted as a next expression. Yeah, and it

44:50

worked Can I also call out

44:52

40 do boosted in for

44:54

two for two sets? So 40

44:56

do 42 sets very creative boost.

44:58

Oh on brand the obvious to

45:00

the ultimate question I say what

45:02

he did there. I see. Okay,

45:05

I I think top grade

45:07

is we're taking a little look at and I got

45:09

a great look at there. You see their logo Yeah,

45:11

this is cute. That's great Top

45:13

grade is uh, hmm. All right, perhaps a

45:15

future pic meditat our last booster for

45:17

this week came in with Spaceballs

45:20

boost so the combination is one

45:23

two three four five Stupidest

45:26

combination I ever heard in my life Thanks

45:29

to Nick's OS my top five apps already installed by

45:31

my config, but they are the first things I have

45:33

to log into That's

45:36

really it now it's really one of the first apps

45:38

you log into now, isn't it? Uh-huh How do I

45:40

need to use first? No, what? Yeah, it's so obnoxious

45:42

in some ways I mean, I don't mean to be

45:44

an old man about it But like everything

45:47

has like its own system some apps use

45:49

your email for two-factor other apps Want

45:52

like an actual two-factor app some

45:54

things just send the password. It's just

45:56

ah, it's such a mess It takes so much time too,

45:59

but that's not what's important You know what I did? That

46:01

was like the easiest way I can think of to come

46:04

up with my top five list was Go

46:06

through my next config and look at the

46:08

top like four five six seven eight Sure,

46:11

just the first things I put in my next good

46:13

pick when I first got into next. Yeah, totally that

46:16

makes sense We had a

46:18

really good showing Thank you everybody who took time to boost in

46:20

with your top five or your comments on the show I

46:23

will mention that when we're coming back

46:25

We're going to be celebrating someone special's

46:27

birthday Somebody special of course that somebody

46:29

special is mr. West Payne Yeah,

46:41

I gave him liquor before oh, yeah, so if

46:43

you want to send a birthday message into mr.

46:45

Payne We'll be reading those in the next episode.

46:47

We're at right now presently. We're at Texas So we should

46:50

be so we should definitely celebrate your birthday while we're in

46:52

Texas. Don't you think but we

46:54

stocked 420 thousand

46:56

one hundred and forty four sets It

47:00

really whips the llamas ass. Thank you

47:02

everybody 27 boosters with 44 booth

47:05

sent in what a showing that was really great And

47:07

the timing worked out perfectly for us to spread that

47:09

across the two shows Thank you everybody

47:11

who streams us those sats too. We really appreciate that.

47:13

Thanks for taking the time to boost

47:15

in your your ad picks Too yeah, it's

47:17

fun. Be able to do a little quick

47:20

survey like that Well, and I feel like I'm gonna grab a

47:22

few new ones, too So thank you and

47:24

I think we're probably probably missed some so if

47:26

there was a glaring one that we missed Please

47:28

do send it in still I'd like to hear

47:30

it because like top grade. That's a

47:32

little gem I'm gonna set aside and take another look at I've

47:34

heard it once before but seeing those kinds of things come in

47:37

are really Useful. So thank you everybody. We

47:39

really do appreciate it Free

47:43

tube came in as one of the apps on the

47:45

list I was surprised to only see one person mention

47:47

it so I wanted to give the audience Maybe

47:50

a reminder you may have heard of this

47:52

but you may have forgot that you could

47:54

use YouTube without creepy tracking or advertisements There's

47:58

no JavaScript that they can execute probably still

48:00

get your IP address but you don't worry about

48:02

their weird cookies you don't have to worry about

48:04

their weird tracking JavaScript it's a nice app it's

48:07

called free to be available on flat hub and

48:09

it'll just give you essentially like a

48:11

cleaned up version of the YouTube experience

48:14

maybe like it's not quite equivalent to new

48:16

pipe because it's essentially a remake of the

48:19

web interface but it might kind of

48:21

serve that same kind of purpose that you have with new pipe for

48:23

your where you can have some stuff in your phone instead

48:25

of the main YouTube experience another way to

48:27

have your subscriptions in history being stored locally

48:30

yeah yeah and Google's none the

48:32

wiser and perhaps maybe then it doesn't mess around

48:34

with your main feed with suggestions

48:37

hmm I just wanted to make it a mention because

48:39

I only thought sent in once and it's such a

48:41

handy little tool that we have it's available for the

48:43

next free tube it's on flat hub we'll

48:45

put a link in the show notes all right boys

48:48

that wraps it up for us I have some

48:50

new apps to go install I know that we'll

48:53

be traveling back to Texas so we will be live

48:55

at our regular Sunday time we'll bet be back here

48:57

in the studio at noon Pacific 3

48:59

p.m. Eastern see you next week same

49:02

bad time same bad station I'd like to

49:04

know would you join a camping meetup boosted

49:06

and tell me also if we miss something

49:08

one of the apps what

49:10

is the most important app let us know what do we

49:12

miss send that in if

49:14

you're gonna attend you would attend a camping meetup

49:16

maybe maybe also boost in a proposed location oh

49:18

yeah oh geez I can't believe I didn't think

49:20

of that yeah I'm

49:22

picturing like middle somewhere like maybe Denver

49:25

Colorado like not actual Denver but like Colorado

49:27

area but maybe not maybe there's a better

49:29

location I don't know you keep promising

49:31

Bozeman to me oh

49:33

not quite central but it is beautiful all

49:36

right links at Linux unplugged comm slash five five eight

49:38

thank you so much for joining us on this episode

49:40

and we'll see you right back here Sunday

49:52

you Well,

50:22

Brett and I had the same idea in

50:24

our planning process for the show. We came

50:26

across this link. It's because

50:28

somebody blogged about it and we'll put a link in the show

50:31

notes. Apparently, the FreeBSD

50:33

community has speedruns. They

50:35

even have a FreeBSD Wiki on it

50:38

and this individual documented

50:40

their FreeBSD 0 to

50:42

desktop speedrun challenge. The

50:45

Wiki kind of suggests some

50:47

different kind of best times and things to

50:49

do. This individual goes through and talks about

50:51

what they did and they timed it. I

50:54

had a 13-year-old ThinkPad W520 from 2011 that

50:56

I managed to get installed in 4 minutes and

51:01

23 seconds from 0 to

51:03

desktop. That

51:07

sounds kind of fun and I feel like it's

51:09

something we could try. I don't know about maybe

51:11

it's Arch, maybe it's Nix, maybe it's FreeBSD. Would

51:14

we want to do FreeBSD? We

51:20

should have a ban on mentioning Gen 2 for

51:22

these content challenges for a year. We should just

51:24

have one year reprieve. I

51:26

just think Brett hasn't had to go through it yet. I

51:32

just feel like this is something we could do. We

51:34

could look at the FreeBSD Wiki and maybe we could adapt

51:36

it. I could see that. It's

51:38

been so long since I installed Arch. I'd like

51:40

to know if this is something the community would

51:42

participate. Maybe we set it up and we announce

51:44

it in one episode and everybody tries

51:46

it and then they let us know what their times were. I

51:48

feel like there's a lot to click through. There's

51:52

no way Wes. They

51:57

are speedrunning it by clicking through it manually.

52:00

be automated. I'm sure. No,

52:02

no. So the blog post goes into

52:04

some details here, which is kind of fascinating. So they

52:07

describe the operations and commands that needed to be

52:09

done took me a minute 33. And

52:13

then the rest sounds like just the computer

52:15

chugging away at certain things, and they describe

52:17

other times that it was required

52:19

to do certain things. But there's some manual

52:21

intervention here. Yeah, so it looks like the

52:25

biggest time was to download the packages. So that's really going

52:27

to depend on your internet connection. Speedrun must

52:29

be manual and unscripted. No additional or custom

52:31

tooling may be used to assist the speedrun.

52:33

Okay, now I'm on board. This is interesting,

52:35

right? This starts getting interesting. Did you say

52:37

local cache? Is that what I heard? Yeah,

52:40

it doesn't say anything. Again,

52:42

that's how you'd solve for the

52:44

download, being a factor. There's

52:48

something to it. Maybe it's a

52:50

Fest event. Maybe it's something we were doing. I don't know.

52:52

We did have a challenge at one of our meetups

52:55

previously. Yeah, and that was great. Remember

52:57

it was a self-destructing Linux? That was a lot of

52:59

fun. It'd be fun if we, I mean,

53:01

this would require a lot of work. We needed something like volunteer

53:03

to do it. But you know, you had

53:05

like a setup where like a fresh VM was made

53:07

and you got to do your speedrun and that could

53:09

be like recorded on a leaderboard. Yes, dude. Yes.

53:13

Okay. Somebody, not us, has got to

53:15

work on this. If

53:17

we take a break from the show, I think we could probably get it

53:19

done. There you go.