0:00

Well, it's actually happening after all the

0:02

travel and planning. After four

0:04

long years, we are back at Red Hat

0:06

Summit. We just entered the Denver Convention Center,

0:08

we're making our way over to the keynote.

0:11

And we've been talking about how much Red

0:13

Hat has changed in the last four years.

0:16

And definitely wondering what the next four years

0:18

look like for Red Hat. And

0:20

I have a feeling we're about to get

0:23

a really strong sense of that. And

0:25

I think I have one big overall question

0:27

that I've been asking myself. How

0:30

hard are we going to watch Red Hat

0:32

lean into AI? Hello,

0:44

friends, and welcome back to your weekly Linux

0:47

top show. My name is Chris. My name

0:49

is Wes. And my name is Brent. Hello,

0:51

gentlemen, always nice to be joined with you.

0:53

And it's exceptionally nice to be joined by

0:55

our very own editor, Drew. Hello, Drew. Hey,

0:58

guys. Hey,

1:01

Drew. Nice to have you joining us. Drew and

1:03

his day job crew attended Red

1:05

Hat Summit as well. And he has his own

1:07

unique perspective on Red Hat's

1:09

big event. So he'll help us break that down. Coming

1:12

up in the show, we did spend the last week

1:14

at Red Hat Summit. And now we're

1:16

going to separate the signal from the noise and get

1:18

you up to date on the three or four announcements

1:20

you really need to know about. Plus,

1:22

I have a killer app pick this week,

1:24

and then we'll round the show out with

1:26

some great boosts, picks, and

1:29

more. So before we go any further, let's say

1:31

time appropriate greetings to that mumble room. Hello,

1:33

virtual lug. Hello, Chris.

1:36

Hello, Brent. Hello. Thank

1:38

you for joining us. It's so nice to have you guys

1:40

here. Got a big

1:42

crowd up there in the quiet listening to speakers. Shout

1:44

out to all of you up there. And

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just wanted to Give a shout

2:33

out to all the mom units out there and all the

2:35

special mom units in our lives Nothing like

2:37

a mom, you know, my mom uses

2:40

leaves as Linux really? No, huh. Oh,

2:42

yeah Yeah, stop

2:44

Efficient that well, that's a bit that's probably

2:46

a little far, but she's been using it for years loves it I

2:50

My mom's absolutely tried it at times at time

2:52

time or two, but she'd her

2:54

day trade is all in Photoshop Yeah,

2:56

right. No, there enough she could she

2:59

could teach a class on Photoshop Really?

3:01

It's something else to watch somebody that

3:03

really like, you know how people

3:05

there's some people that just like live in an

3:07

application Oh, yeah, and they just know that universe,

3:09

you know, that's it's how they get everything done

3:11

Right, so they've had to learn how to do

3:13

everything. You got mom on Linux. Yeah. Oh, yeah

3:16

Yeah, I know I knew that but that's

3:18

haven't you been considering an upgrade from

3:21

oh, yeah I think a new laptop is an order

3:23

and probably a new OS. I don't know. It's about

3:25

two month in right now Which has been just fine.

3:27

So clearly time to go to Nick's maybe

3:29

yeah now you do the pitch you

3:31

do auto update No, I kind of

3:33

do it like on the quarterly schedule I mean so

3:36

I let her do it and then she just tells

3:38

me something bro I got the two kids still running

3:40

Nick's OS as their daily drivers and one of them

3:43

I've set to do the daily auto update and

3:45

what that really means is if the computer is

3:47

online at the right time It'll

3:49

update so it's like she updates every few

3:52

days really Rock solid.

3:54

That's great. So I'm gonna I'm

3:56

still endorsing Nick's OS for for family.

3:59

I know it's But that's not what

4:01

we're here to talk about today. No, we're here

4:03

to talk about Red Hats Annual Summit Which

4:06

is now 20 years old. The first

4:08

one was announced September 15th 2004 Wow

4:12

held in New Orleans on June 1st

4:14

of the 3rd 2005 and it cost $999

4:18

to attend 2004

4:21

money, huh? Yeah, that's that's a decent

4:23

chunk of change in 2004 It's

4:26

a decent chunk of change today, but it's it's a cost a

4:28

bit more I don't know Drew. Do you have any insight on

4:30

what it costs for you or your team to go to Red

4:32

Hat Summit? Oh, we were comped. Oh, yeah, a

4:34

lot of people do get comped. It's that

4:36

is part of this It's a business event and sales are involved.

4:38

So a lot of a lot of people that are partners

4:41

or customers That

4:43

you know matter to the Red Hat organization they get

4:45

to come to summit So

4:48

it's maybe that's why some tickets

4:50

are ridiculously expensive. I tried to find them online.

4:53

Are you looking right now? Yeah Did you find anything?

4:55

No, yeah, it seems like maybe they if they were

4:57

there they got yeah, exactly. Yeah I'm

4:59

gonna say a 1500. What do you think? Probably

5:02

a lowball, but I'm gonna say 1500, but I

5:04

really don't know if that sounds about right and

5:06

keep in mind There were also buy-ups for stuff

5:10

earlier in the week that Weren't

5:13

covered with the price of the ticket. So all

5:15

the all the power sessions and all of that

5:17

stuff was ah Even

5:19

more expensive. Yeah. Oh, okay.

5:22

Yeah, it's an expensive event To

5:24

attend no matter how you slice it but in

5:26

probably all cases just about it's an event that

5:29

work or your your business is sending You to

5:31

it's not Red Hat Linux

5:34

fest. Yeah, not really an obvious sort of thing,

5:36

right and it's it is

5:38

though a networking

5:40

opportunity So many people

5:42

in the business actually get to finally see

5:44

each other at Red Hat Summit So there

5:46

is absolutely a large social

5:49

aspect to this event We

5:51

just you know get to get to catch up with Drew and

5:53

cheese bacon But you see tons of groups

5:55

of people talking and I think a lot of people

5:57

trying to do networking actively and meet

5:59

new people Yeah. Yeah.

6:01

So the last summit that Wes and I

6:03

went to was in 2019, which

6:06

was the pre-IBM days. Yeah, only

6:08

just. But and it was also

6:10

the summit where I think rail

6:12

eight came out, perhaps it

6:14

was. There was a rail release at the summit,

6:17

which is rare and a big deal. So

6:19

we really weren't sure what to expect this year. It's

6:21

been a long, long four years. IBM

6:24

is involved now. AI is

6:26

all the craze. And going

6:29

there, I thought, well, right now it's either

6:31

going to really hunker down and focus on

6:33

things that people are struggling with right now

6:35

in production today or are

6:37

they going to plant some sort of flag in the ground

6:39

and try to like, you know, stake this new territory of

6:41

AI and speak to the future customer? So

6:44

that's I wanted to figure that out. I

6:46

know you also along with me want to just kind

6:48

of observe the mood of things. Yeah, totally. And kind

6:50

of see besides AI, where had things shifted? You know,

6:52

I think the last summer we were at hybrid

6:54

cloud was still a big buzzword. Big. I think I

6:57

mean, OpenShift had existed for a while, but it was,

6:59

you know, didn't have quite the tenure it has now.

7:02

So those things were a big deal alongside the round

7:04

release. Let's see how that compared

7:06

with the other, you know, the non-AI priorities this time.

7:08

Yeah, that was and then just

7:11

also just to get like, I

7:13

don't know, is there any sense of people

7:15

are feeling down or maybe like, you know, there

7:17

isn't like the energy anymore, like things shifted. I

7:20

just wanted to get a feel for that. There's

7:22

about 6,500 attendees is what they emailed us

7:24

after the event. So it gives you kind of an

7:26

idea of the scale. So that's what Wes

7:28

and I were trying to get out of the event. Brent

7:31

couldn't make it because he was in Berlin. But Drew

7:33

was there as part of his day job. And

7:36

I'm kind of curious, Drew, what you or

7:38

maybe some of your team's expectations were for what you might learn

7:40

or what you wanted to get out of Red Hat Summit. Well,

7:43

so we meet with Red Hat

7:45

with our technical account managers, our

7:47

TAMS fairly regularly.

7:50

So, yeah, I had

7:52

pretty good expectations of what was

7:54

coming. And in some cases, I

7:56

had advanced warnings of what

7:59

was going to be a... announced. So

8:01

there weren't a ton of surprises

8:03

for me except for the fact

8:05

that it was more

8:08

about AI than I really

8:10

anticipated. Yeah. But overall it's,

8:12

you know, new rel, new

8:14

rel image mode and the

8:16

various things. I knew about a lot of

8:18

that stuff beforehand and it was just the

8:21

actual announcement of it that I was getting

8:23

to witness. It sounds like Drew's

8:26

getting the inside information that we don't get.

8:28

Like how do we get the tie in?

8:31

He's got the scoop. Yeah, I mean that's what they should be

8:33

doing though, right? For people

8:35

like Drew and their deployments, they got to start planning this stuff

8:37

way ahead of time. And so for

8:39

people like us, we're coming in kind of fresh to the

8:42

stuff. So you heard him tease it there.

8:44

There's some announcements in there that they are trying to prepare

8:46

people about because Red Hat does consider them to be pretty

8:48

big deals and we're going to break them down and

8:51

explain those to you because there is, like

8:53

Drew said, a lot of AI stuff

8:55

and I think there's some noise in here. So

8:58

our job this week is to sort of separate

9:00

the signal from the noise. I

9:02

think Red Hat has a goalpost

9:05

that's pretty far out into the future but they

9:07

are trying to maybe corral the industry

9:11

into distributing critical software in a new way on rel.

9:13

We'll talk about that. And then we'll just try

9:15

to give you some color of the event itself. So

9:18

it won't be just the facts, man. We'll also give

9:20

you some of the flavor of, like say,

9:22

the partying. Oh

9:25

sure. Strawberry white wine? Cheers.

9:28

Cheers, Wes. Okay,

9:30

so the block party is quite the party. We're at

9:32

one of many venues. It's

9:34

quite busy. They're just going around giving away booze,

9:36

too. Let's

9:39

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9:42

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10:59

of collide could work for you

11:01

kolide.com/unplugged that's

11:04

collide.com/unplugged. Well

11:09

as we discussed Red Hat Summit

11:11

is definitely a business event which

11:14

means things like kicking

11:17

the event off first thing in the

11:19

morning. Really early. You know like 8

11:21

a.m. for the keynote. Yeah which is

11:23

fine except we've been out

11:25

socializing not so fine. So of

11:27

course you know we wanted to go so we got

11:29

up early pre-game some

11:31

caffeine and set off to

11:33

go see Red Hat CEO Mad Hicks.

11:36

The fog machines are going the light

11:38

effects are in full swing and Wes

11:40

and I have center seats at the

11:42

Red Hat Summit keynote. I

11:44

don't know I think we're I would describe this as

11:47

almost a concert venue not a keynote venue

11:49

but a concert venue. Oh

11:52

definitely I mean there's a DJ with a Red

11:54

Hat fedora on playing beats while we wait for

11:56

the thing to get started. Yeah we have an

11:58

actual DJ up there playing. He's

12:01

got the red fedora and people are filtering

12:03

in. I mean you could easily fit thousands

12:05

of people in this room We'll

12:07

see. I don't think we're gonna learn

12:09

anything new necessarily But I kind of wanted to just get

12:12

the vibe of where it where red hats at what they

12:14

want to talk about and I have a suspicion This

12:17

keynote is gonna focus on AI. We'll

12:19

see. Yeah and focus on AI

12:21

it did didn't it? You could

12:23

say yeah, you definitely could it's it's quite

12:25

the show, you know, they it's a

12:27

it's a big Dramatic entrance.

12:31

There's a live performance there on stage that kicked

12:33

off the keynote I want to just play it

12:35

for you for a moment I

12:37

won't I won't do this again But I just

12:39

for for the audience that didn't get to attend I

12:41

want you to have a sense of what the production

12:44

is like this. So right before the CEO comes out

12:46

on stage They bring a

12:48

live band up like there's a smoke effect

12:51

Lights come on and all of a sudden there's a band

12:53

up on stage and they introduce the CEO You

13:29

You You

14:14

He's welcome. Red Hat's President

14:16

and Chief Executive Officer. That's

14:18

it. What

14:32

a fantastic way to

14:34

kick off Summit. I think

14:36

for most of us we come here to change the

14:38

world every year and I don't think there could have

14:41

been a better way to start that. Let's give the

14:43

band another hand real quick. This

14:53

year's Summit is going

14:55

to hone in on the intersection of

14:57

open source and AI

15:00

and the incredible impact that

15:02

happens when we combine those two.

15:04

So there is a flavor

15:07

of the production and this

15:09

is all matched with lights

15:11

that fill the building, smoke effects

15:14

and screens everywhere

15:16

that are all coordinated and change color

15:18

depending on what's going on or change

15:21

imagery. Very well done. Oh

15:23

yeah, I mean produced to a team.

15:25

So let's get into the actual announcements

15:27

you need to know about and Matt

15:29

starts with Instruct Lab which is one

15:31

of the things that is

15:33

probably one of the top stories that came out of Red Hat

15:35

Summit and they almost went with it right out of the gate.

15:38

And today I am very

15:40

proud to announce that Red Hat

15:43

is going to add the next

15:45

link in this chain of

15:47

open source contributions. We

15:50

believe in the power of open

15:52

to drive innovation. That

15:55

means open licensing, open

15:57

data and open. contributions.

16:01

And as much progress as

16:03

we've made in the ecosystem

16:05

here, the ability to contribute

16:08

to a model has yet

16:10

to be solved. I mean, you

16:12

can get a model from Hugging Face and

16:15

fine tune it today, but

16:18

your work can't really

16:20

be combined with the person

16:23

sitting next to you. Also,

16:25

open source has always thrived

16:27

with a very broad pool

16:29

of contributors willing

16:31

to contribute their knowledge,

16:35

but the barriers to doing a

16:37

fine tune of Mistral or Llama

16:39

2 without a background of data

16:42

science have been too high. We

16:45

hope to change that. Today

16:48

we're announcing the open sourcing

16:50

of InstrucLab. Now,

16:53

InstrucLab is a new technology to

16:55

make it simple for anyone, not

16:57

just data science, to

16:59

contribute to and train

17:02

large language. Why

17:04

is this so important? We

17:07

believe that to unlock the real

17:09

potential of AI in your business,

17:13

you have to be able to close the

17:15

gap in that last mile of knowledge of

17:17

your use case. So

17:19

InstrucLab is their tool to take an

17:22

LLM and retrain it and re-modify it,

17:24

I suppose. Like say, they showed a

17:26

demo where they're trying to

17:29

train it on an insurance claim case for

17:31

a small business and they

17:33

want to retrain it on their local information.

17:35

You can use InstrucLab to essentially do that.

17:38

I think it's one of their top

17:40

announcements because they're hoping it's going to

17:42

get people, like he said, instead of just

17:44

having a bunch of copies of an LLM

17:46

to actually start collaborating on improving that maybe

17:49

one LLM or something like that, or at least they all can

17:51

get contributed back up. Yeah, that's an interesting

17:53

aspect I hadn't quite expected. I

17:56

guess at The Root it all stems from a paper

17:58

published by researchers at ICT. IBM,

18:01

called Lab, large scale alignment for chatbots. And

18:03

yeah, as you say, they're basically trying to

18:05

overcome how much human annotated

18:07

data that you have in this. And

18:10

so they develop ways to use synthetic

18:13

generated data and kind of the scheme that you

18:15

can learn if you do instruct lab. And then

18:17

from that, engineers at IBM and Red Hat built

18:20

the instruct lab project and infrastructure and

18:22

tooling. The other kind of big news that

18:24

we got near the top of the keynote,

18:26

I believe the next presenter came on stage

18:28

and maybe it might've still been Matt

18:31

Hicks. And they announced, in

18:33

fact, I think it was Matt, he announced

18:35

that Granite's AI models from IBM are also

18:37

going open source. And if anyone hadn't noticed,

18:39

GPUs can be a bit hard to get

18:41

right now. To

18:44

help address this challenge, I'm

18:46

excited to announce that IBM

18:48

Research and Red Hat are

18:51

open sourcing the Granite family

18:53

of language and code models

18:56

under an Apache license. I actually think

18:59

that got a pretty decent surprise from

19:01

the crowd. People did not expect that.

19:04

Yeah, I think we ran into a few

19:06

folks that all independently mentioned like, wow, they

19:08

got IBM to release.

19:10

They actually did it. Yeah, I mean, that

19:13

was one of the surprises at the event. And then so

19:15

they're stacking all of this stuff. So you have instruct lab,

19:18

you got the Granite AI models,

19:20

and then they announced Rel AI.

19:22

We are incredibly excited to introduce

19:25

Rel AI. Rel

19:28

AI is an easy button

19:31

for getting started with AI and

19:33

building Gen AI applications. We

19:35

all know Rel as the

19:38

world's leading enterprise Linux platform and the trusted

19:40

foundation of open hybrid cloud. And

19:44

now it's getting AI

19:46

superpowers. Ooh. Linux

19:48

admins should be applauding right about now.

19:52

Ha, you can, and I leave some

19:54

of that in there so you get a sense of how

19:56

Red Hat communicates and how they're kind of still trying to

19:58

bring the hybrid cloud into all of this. this.

20:00

So they have rel.ai,

20:02

which is a, well, I'll

20:04

let them explain it. It's like an AI optimized version

20:06

of rel. What does that mean? Rel.ai

20:10

brings together the open source,

20:13

granted language code models, a

20:15

supported distribution of InstrucLab, open

20:18

source AI tooling, and

20:20

an AI optimized Linux instance that can run

20:22

on your laptop or a single server. It

20:25

provides an easy starting point for

20:28

anyone to build Gen-A applications with

20:30

highly capable LLMs, fully

20:32

supported and indemnified by Red Hat. And

20:35

it sounds like you deploy software using

20:37

this image mode that Drew talked about

20:39

earlier. And image mode is

20:42

also probably one of the top announcements from

20:44

Red Hat Summit. Rel.ai starts

20:46

with packages from enterprise Linux using our

20:48

new deployment method called image mode. Image

20:51

mode delivers the platform as a container

20:53

image, supporting the need to move more

20:55

quickly when it comes to building, testing,

20:58

and deploying AI applications. We're going to

21:00

get into image mode more because the

21:02

way they talk about it in the

21:04

keynote, it sounds like you're

21:06

just deploying software in containers. There's no

21:08

change there. When in reality, there's

21:11

fundamental new functionality and

21:13

it could inevitably be a new way to distribute

21:16

software that needs to be flexible, I was

21:18

told, on rel. We'll get to

21:20

that, but I want to keep up with the announcements

21:22

first, just so then we'll analyze some of this. One

21:25

of the next things they talked about

21:27

was Podman AI Lab. Rel.ai has a

21:29

tight integration with the newly announced Podman

21:31

AI Lab, a dedicated extension

21:34

for Podman desktop that allows

21:36

developers to build, test, and run

21:39

Gen-AI powered applications in containers.

21:42

So they've added more features to

21:44

Podman desktop and they've integrated Podman

21:46

AI Lab. Are you keeping up

21:48

with all this stuff so far?

21:51

Our heads were spinning, so that's why we wanted

21:53

to do a wrap-up there on site while it

21:55

was all fresh. Alright, we just wrapped up the

21:57

keynote. And I think going into it, we were

21:59

wondering how hard would they AI and

22:02

the answer is they are AIing very

22:04

very hard. I don't think any presentation

22:06

talked about anything else but AI

22:09

which I suppose is appropriate

22:11

for the season and we also saw the

22:13

announcement of Red Hat AI

22:16

and that's making news right now as we were

22:18

sitting in there I saw headlines. Were you, I

22:20

don't know, you taking anything away? Were you impressed?

22:22

Were you not impressed? What were your thoughts Westpane?

22:25

I was a little impressed I think with just

22:27

how well packaged it seems. Sure, I mean this

22:29

is announcement day so time will tell but you

22:31

know we got a demo that had VS Code

22:33

and Podman but they also

22:36

kind of stressed the integration with partners like Intel

22:38

and Nvidia of course and

22:41

that they've got access to indemnified models. So

22:44

I think right there's the

22:46

pitches AI seems

22:48

hard to adopt unless you hire data scientists

22:50

but you know Rel and

22:52

the platform around it now have tools to

22:54

help you tune these things for your actual

22:56

data without having to have a whole team

22:58

of staff to do it. Yeah

23:01

and there's lots of sessions where you can go you

23:03

know learn about everything they have to offer. Speaking

23:06

of Podman I did think it was interesting

23:08

how hard they leaned into Podman and they

23:10

talked about creating bootable images that you test

23:13

and verify everything at build time. Yeah

23:15

bootable containers and a new Rel image

23:18

mode so sounds like you can build

23:20

a container, add the kernel,

23:22

add the necessary files to get it to

23:24

boot and then you publish that up to

23:26

a regular old you know image container image

23:28

repository and then you can put Rel in

23:30

a mode where it's going to go fetch

23:32

those and reboot into the next version that

23:35

you published. The bootable containers was one of

23:37

the things that's getting the most interest at

23:39

the event. We have more audio on that

23:41

coming up. So we have

23:43

really three or four things here

23:45

instruct lab, granite AI models

23:47

going open source, Rel AI

23:50

and image mode are like the

23:52

four I think tent poll announcements

23:54

that came out of Red Hat Summit and

23:57

they just hit them back to back to back in that

23:59

keynote. And it's interesting, you kind of

24:01

see how they fit together, right? So there's this real

24:03

AI is maybe with a cohesive part. And then there's

24:06

all these underlying components that help make all of

24:08

that possible, the image mode stuff that, you know,

24:10

changes the model of how you distribute it, especially because, you

24:13

know, in their other efforts here with instruct lab,

24:15

and then just the general packaging of like the

24:18

open source AI things, there's already, they've already got

24:20

all the resources for you to build AI, you

24:22

know, containers that can train models or run models.

24:25

So then you bring that all under one

24:27

plus a new methodology with instruct lab on how

24:29

to sort of get the most out of whatever

24:31

model, I guess it's supposed to be model agnostic,

24:34

and then to make sure that you

24:36

don't have to figure that out, then you'll also get

24:38

granite, which is like a default model that you could

24:40

use within struck lab. Yeah, it's a lot. But

24:42

it's great. It's a nice, tidy little package that

24:45

they've managed to put together. It's a comprehensive, complete

24:47

story that makes sense from beginning to end with

24:49

stuff that's almost, I think, actually kind of becoming

24:51

available right now, as we talk, I think 9-4

24:54

is actually hitting. So it's, you

24:57

know, unlike some companies, they're actually shipping and they have

24:59

code to show for it. So there's

25:01

that then. Okay, so there's the

25:03

keynote and the announcements and the news angle of

25:05

something like Red Hat Summit. And

25:08

then there's things like the expo hall and

25:10

Red Hat Summit expo halls aren't like

25:13

Linux Fest expo halls. You

25:15

could probably fit 500 Linux Fest

25:18

in one Red Hat expo hall. I'm

25:21

trying to come up with words to put the scale

25:23

of the expo hall into

25:25

something that is conveyable and

25:27

understandable. And I can't really,

25:29

I could tell you they have two

25:31

theaters in here and a

25:34

studio. They have Red Hat Studios. It's actually pretty

25:36

fancy. How would you try to convey the scale

25:38

of the expo hall, the size of it? I

25:41

think you could only really see, I

25:43

mean, you know, maybe 10 sort of

25:46

booths around you. So that's your understandable

25:48

section of the floor. There's

25:50

definitely not quadrants of that size. I mean,

25:53

eight, there's 12 sections like that. More?

25:55

Yeah, maybe. I think you're right. We're

25:58

about halfway through right now and it's been. It's

26:00

been a while. If my

26:02

family doesn't see me again, I was

26:04

somewhere near the Red Hat Studios when I

26:07

last made contact with civilization. I

26:09

did kind of come up with a shorthand way

26:12

to kind of convey the size of it, although

26:14

it still doesn't really do the job. Okay, here's

26:16

a way you could convey how big it is. It's

26:18

large enough that they have a pickleball court.

26:21

They have a pickleball court, and that's only a small

26:24

portion of the expo hall. So that kind

26:26

of puts it into perspective, and I still haven't

26:28

even gotten to the burger place yet. I

26:31

know larger expo halls have existed at events,

26:33

especially things like CES and some of the

26:35

events from back in the day, but for

26:38

our Linux event, it's pretty swanky. I

26:40

mean, there's got to be a few millions spent just on the

26:43

booth and everything in there. Oh, for sure. And

26:45

then a lot of the displays, you know, brand

26:48

new Mac books and stuff that look like pretty

26:50

high-end equipment. I mean, Red Hat had this sort

26:52

of generative

26:54

AI-powered wall projector.

26:56

Yeah. Fancy

26:58

setup. I don't even know all it could do. They had

27:00

like an AI avatar thing that didn't work well for

27:03

us, but it was kind of fun to play with. And

27:05

just about every vendor you could think of that's in the Red

27:07

Hat space from Intel,

27:10

Microsoft, Lenovo, even Oracle has

27:12

a presence at Red Hat

27:14

Summit. And they have private little

27:16

meeting areas that these vendors can go off on the

27:18

expo floor and like close a deal. We were taking

27:20

a peek just to see what was back there and

27:23

got some stink eyes. Yeah, I guess they didn't like

27:25

us just wandering through with a large microphone. Not that

27:27

we did. We would never do that, but they wouldn't

27:29

like it if we had. Speaking

27:31

of spending money on high-end Mac books, it

27:33

really was constantly, constantly

27:35

impressive to me, just like how

27:38

far Red Hat went to make

27:40

this an event that

27:42

was, I guess, felt like it was

27:44

worth the admission price. On day

27:46

two, it was really put into

27:48

perspective for us. We had our eye on

27:52

one lap that we had to attend, and

27:55

we went to go sign up thinking no one would sign

27:57

up for this lab because we're at Red Hat Summit. And

28:00

to our dismay, it was completely booked. That

28:03

lab is the Windows

28:05

Automation Lab at Red Hat Summit. Day

28:08

two in the first talk we're attending

28:10

is getting started with Windows Automation at

28:13

Red Hat Summit. And we thought, well, this

28:15

isn't going to be very busy. So we tried to book it through their app.

28:18

And it's completely booked out.

28:21

It's actually a very popular session. So we're

28:23

going to go poke our heads in there

28:25

and see what Windows Automation at

28:27

a Red Hat Summit's all about. Yeah, there was

28:29

no seats. There was lots of MacBooks. Well,

28:32

the wait list was full, but we managed to

28:34

poke our heads in the room. And

28:36

what did we find? Hundreds

28:38

of MacBooks. Yeah,

28:41

it's Windows Automation with, I will

28:43

say, new MacBooks and not the

28:45

first huge batch of

28:47

MacBooks we've seen. They're all like

28:50

stock, basic macOS install, the

28:52

darker of them. And somehow

28:54

they're going to do Windows Automation at Red Hat

28:56

Summit on the MacBooks. You

28:59

know, hybrid cloud really is multi-platform. That sure

29:01

is. That's as multi-platform as it gets right

29:03

there. So we struck out there.

29:06

We struck out there, but we did

29:08

have a lead on the source where we could get some

29:10

more technical details. Well, after kind of

29:12

striking out with the Windows Automation lab, we decided

29:14

to go back to the Expo Hall. And we

29:16

got a technical deep dive on how

29:18

one of the big announcements here is working. There's been maybe

29:21

three big announcements, if you were really to distill

29:23

it all down, and rel

29:26

images, or image-based rel, I guess, is one

29:28

of them. But it's really, it's like a

29:30

souped up version of Podman containers. Yeah.

29:33

Kind of during the keynote, we got the idea that

29:35

this would be how you deploy AI. You

29:37

know, they should walk you through the whole pipeline

29:39

and how you're now building these container images that

29:41

have stuff baked in ready to host your

29:43

model. But actually, it seems

29:45

like what you've got is Bootsy,

29:47

which is a new spec sitting on top of

29:49

OCI images, where you have the right files that

29:51

know how to make a bootable partition as part

29:53

of it. And then you've

29:55

got support in, or at least support coming

29:57

in Anaconda. install

30:00

rel, you can put it

30:02

into this new image mode. You basically tell

30:04

Anaconda, here's my repository, and instead of telling

30:07

you what packages to install, I'm gonna tell

30:09

you what bootable container image to pull down.

30:11

So, obviously there's a work to deploy AI,

30:14

but it also seems like maybe this could be

30:16

a big new future way that rel actually gets

30:18

deployed. Yeah, one of the creators

30:20

of the technology when he was giving us

30:22

a demonstration, it was like anything that changes,

30:24

you might wanna just use this for. It's

30:26

not just AI, it's like anything that you

30:28

touch kind of frequently, or anything that

30:30

you wanna have a good solid update. It

30:32

was one of the more popular technologies too. There

30:34

was a decent sized crowd there trying to get

30:37

the technical details on just how you make a

30:39

container bootable and how it all works. And

30:42

I think there's a lot of energy behind it. I

30:44

think they're hoping it becomes one of the standard ways

30:46

to deploy software on rel in the future. It sounds

30:48

like we won't start seeing it until Red Hat Linux

30:50

9.4. And

30:53

so you can imagine the first version ships in 9.4, maybe

30:56

a more complete version ships in 9.5. So

30:58

this is a little bit out, but they're working on

31:00

it and they're showing it and it seems to be

31:02

fully functional at this stage, if still early. So

31:05

they're putting the boot parts in a container and

31:08

they've got something new called Boot C. What

31:11

is going on Wes? Why

31:13

is it even a container anymore cats and

31:15

dogs? Well, you know, now

31:17

there's a whole infrastructure and

31:19

ecosystem around shipping containers, scanning

31:22

them for vulnerabilities, blessing

31:24

them as, you know, the thing deployed

31:26

in this environment, move them around, hosting

31:29

them in registries, layered

31:31

updates. Yeah, so, you

31:33

know, there's like robust deployment models, CI

31:35

CD pipelines that integrate containers

31:38

throughout. This sort

31:40

of lets you piggyback on that infrastructure

31:42

to then also deliver the bootloader bits

31:44

as you're talking about there. And nothing

31:46

makes this, I guess, inherently Red Hat

31:48

specific. No, I think right now there's some

31:51

reliance on OS tree, but

31:53

that isn't necessarily inherent is more implementation

31:55

details so far. Yeah, I mean, anybody

31:57

could do that, but maybe it

31:59

doesn't mean it works immediately. on Nix.

32:02

You might have to play with it and see. I haven't

32:04

had a chance to yet, but of course there's open, you

32:06

know, open source. The boot C is just sort of a

32:08

spec on top of OCI and you can play

32:10

with this and Fedora and CentOS now, I think, or

32:12

at least soon. So have at it

32:14

if you're curious. It does seem like the basic idea is

32:17

you just, you make sure that inside the container,

32:19

you now have the sufficient files to sort

32:21

of generate all the stuff you would need

32:23

or to like make an MBR MBR type

32:25

setup. Or if it's EFI, then

32:27

just, you know, make sure you have the EFI

32:30

executables and the config files and stuff. And then

32:32

there's also additional tooling that kind of

32:34

links that up with the bootloader that's actually

32:36

running the system. And then, you

32:39

know, you can get it to just go right to

32:41

the bootable setup from the container. If

32:43

you're listening to this and you have a use case

32:45

for something like this, boost it and tell me why,

32:48

what you'd use it for. But they're

32:50

very excited about it. And Drew, I don't know what

32:52

your sense of image mode was, if it's something that

32:54

you would ever consider in production. That's one of the

32:56

things that we are absolutely very

32:58

excited about and really want to

33:00

look at. You know, there's, there's

33:03

the whole sense of, well, these containers

33:06

are so easy to upgrade. And if

33:08

there's a failure, you can roll back

33:10

and they've got greater security because they're

33:12

immutable. That's all very desirable stuff in

33:15

the enterprise. I'm really, I'm really glad

33:17

to hear that. I'm really glad to hear that you guys are

33:19

excited about it. I think it would be a

33:21

massive, massive improvement for the whole rail

33:23

ecosystem if a lot of people got on board with this. I

33:26

mean, it seems like a hard, complex way to go about trying

33:28

to get to what they're getting to. But at the same time,

33:30

like Wes said, it's like, it's building

33:32

on top of what we've just

33:35

spent a decade training rail admins

33:37

how to manage containers. And this

33:40

just sort of builds on top of that foundational knowledge

33:42

now. Yeah, a lot of the same sort of end

33:44

goals end up being things that really reminded us of,

33:46

you know, our fun with Nix OS. But you know,

33:48

where Nix and Nix OS kind of went further back

33:50

to the drawing board to design around

33:53

this, this is kind of leveraging technology that's already

33:55

been added on top, combining it in the right

33:57

way to produce very similar end

33:59

results. Right, because you're building it. You

34:02

can do a full DevOps

34:05

workflow where maybe it's

34:07

actually like a GitHub action and a CI CD

34:09

pipeline that's actually building these images for you

34:11

and then deploying them. And you're updating them like

34:13

containers. And that's fitting

34:15

into your existing workflow, but it's

34:17

actually the entire system there. And it

34:19

boots even. And it's a lot easier to

34:22

do that than it is

34:24

to build something in, say, like Core OS. With

34:27

Core OS, I mean, you've got to create

34:29

like this ignition file, and you've got to

34:31

build a whole system from the ground up.

34:34

Compared to the method

34:37

that you build a container, it's

34:39

a lot more complex. So the iteration,

34:42

the generation of a golden image, that

34:44

sort of thing, takes a lot more

34:46

work with the older style of immutability.

34:49

Whereas moving to

34:51

a container-based operation

34:54

makes everything a lot more easy, makes it

34:57

more quickly to iterate on. And

34:59

then you tie that in with the Ansible Automation Platform

35:02

by Red Hat. And you're off

35:04

to the races. You're sending systems

35:06

all around, like they're just container images. So

35:09

depending on the audience, it's either stuff maybe

35:12

you already knew about or for us, maybe some of

35:14

it doesn't quite land and some of it lands quite

35:17

a bit. But Red Hat makes sure

35:19

that everybody ends up feeling pretty great

35:21

because they throw one hell

35:23

of a party. How do you end

35:25

an event that is as illustrious and

35:28

extravagant as Red Hat Summit with

35:30

a block party? And where are we standing right now,

35:33

Les? Right next to the

35:35

mechanical bowl. Yeah, the mechanical

35:37

bowl. It's pretty good. It's pretty fun, actually. Well,

35:39

it's a pretty good time. And the

35:41

block party, they've actually taken over a portion of the

35:43

road. And they've set up

35:45

various different areas, four or five different places

35:48

that are just absolutely slammed with people. The

35:51

drinks, the food, all complimentary sort

35:53

of the mechanical bowl rides. Good

35:55

party. Everybody seems to be having a good time. What

35:57

a way to cap it off and really kind of make it happen.

36:00

make sure you polish everybody's experience.

36:02

Yeah, maybe you were disappointed, you didn't get the

36:04

answers you want, some things were left uncertain. Maybe

36:07

forget about that tonight. As

36:10

you can hear, it was absolutely slammed.

36:12

I mean, just packed with people, and

36:14

they took over a whole block area,

36:16

brought them over on luxury buses, and

36:19

dropped them off. With free booths all

36:22

around. Yeah, and essentially the restaurants on

36:24

the block that participate, Red Hat just

36:26

buys them out. Entire

36:28

venue. It was really

36:30

something. And it, to me, just, I don't

36:34

know, you touched on it, Wes, I don't remember exactly

36:36

the words you used, so maybe if

36:38

I can remind you when I say this, please jump

36:40

in. But yeah, there really

36:42

is these two worlds that

36:45

we absolutely do need in free software, and

36:47

one of them just has so much more

36:49

money than the other, but they're

36:52

both just absolutely critical, right? You have that business

36:54

layer, and then you have the people that are

36:56

just scratching their itch. And it's

36:58

weird that we don't very often

37:00

exist in that business one. But

37:03

it's massive. Yeah, I was trying to,

37:05

as we first were getting to the event, I had

37:07

a sort of countdown in my head to when am

37:09

I first gonna hear the word Linux? There's

37:12

a lot of top, it's like open, open source,

37:14

but then just open is one that's already kind

37:16

of wrangled its way into a lot of different

37:18

contexts. But Linux itself, it

37:20

wasn't too bad. And I think we had some run-ins with folks

37:23

who had never heard of the podcast, or

37:25

more on the sales or the management

37:28

side of things. And I

37:30

think even them, I was pretty surprised

37:32

how technical and at least aware that

37:35

Linux is part of this business. Yeah,

37:37

it's a different kind of crowd.

37:40

There's like, you can tell there's some folks that

37:42

are in IT operations, some folks are probably more

37:44

in sales, and some folks that are

37:46

more in management. And they're all

37:48

kind of in the biz. And

37:50

they're all talking the biz. I'd imagine

37:53

for some of them, it's extremely valuable networking. And

37:56

we had some several just kind of off the

37:58

cuff conversations and I thought they... Yeah, everybody seemed

38:00

really well informed. I

38:02

suppose if you're there, it's expensive to be

38:04

there. So it probably would

38:07

be worth it, I suppose. Jude,

38:09

do you have any parting thoughts on your time at Red Hat

38:11

Summit? I learned a

38:13

lot. So I do a lot with

38:15

automation as well as OpenShift

38:17

for work. And there

38:19

are a lot of very interesting things

38:21

coming for both of those platforms that

38:24

I'm very, very excited about. So

38:26

all in all, I think it was

38:28

a really, really good conference for me

38:31

to attend, especially since it was walking

38:33

distance from my apartment, which

38:35

certainly did not hurt. And

38:38

yeah, there's a lot of

38:40

good stuff coming, not all

38:43

of it dealing with AI. Very

38:45

true. Yeah, in fact, the stuff that I'm

38:47

the most excited about is image mode. And

38:50

it'll be used to help deliver AI applications, but it's going to

38:52

be used to help deliver all kinds of stuff. So

38:56

if I were to boil it all down, it's image mode that

38:58

I'm the most excited about at Red Hat Summit. I

39:00

also think it was a good move having it in

39:02

Denver. Nice central venue like that. I think that seemed

39:04

pretty doable. Denver was a nice town. They had banners

39:07

all around Denver for the event. So it really

39:09

felt like, I don't know,

39:12

Denver was embracing Red Hat Summit because there

39:14

was posters everywhere. I think I

39:16

was kind of pleased. I mean, obviously, it was more AI

39:18

than maybe we expected and a ton of it. But

39:21

with just the overall environment.

39:24

Yeah, it's going to be very surprising if that

39:26

wasn't the case. I think I'm kind of pleased

39:29

or surprised. I mean, maybe I'm

39:31

not totally sold on exactly how useful this

39:33

grant turned out to be. How far does InstructLab go?

39:36

But both the approach in

39:38

doing it and trying those things is nice

39:40

to see. And then also, maybe

39:42

you don't have to have AI in

39:45

your business. Maybe that part isn't really

39:47

what's going to come to be. But if

39:49

you do want to ship those things, it does seem

39:52

like really AI could be a pretty nice way to

39:54

kind of have a controlled environment, execute

39:56

on it without having to learn every

39:59

piece of it. And they're building

40:01

tooling to deploy lots

40:03

of open and free LLMs at scale So

40:05

you could have lots of different types of

40:08

specialized LLMs and manage it all with their

40:10

software Right, so they're building for a

40:12

future where we have lots of open source AI

40:15

and not necessarily building for a future where it all goes

40:17

to an API at open AI and So

40:21

if I were going to subscribe to any commercial

40:23

companies vision of how AI should be deployed I

40:25

think red hat probably has the most reasonable one

40:27

there you're right. I feel the

40:29

same way It's a little overwhelming at the same time This

40:31

is my ask to the audience boosted and tell me isn't

40:33

this how they make it a reality Like

40:36

all the companies kind of have to go in and plant

40:38

a flag Don't they and they all

40:40

have to kind of say this is the direction We're going and

40:42

then build to it to actually make it a reality like is This

40:45

not the definition of fake it until you make it and

40:47

at least with the case of red hat There's

40:49

code actually shipping in the upstream

40:51

distributions and repositories right now And

40:55

it's all open source, and it's all

40:57

about deploying open source LLMs at scale

41:00

So if you're gonna do it, I

41:02

can't find a fault there Other

41:04

than it just gets a little tiring at this point because it

41:06

feels like we're in a hype train right now Yeah,

41:09

and I guess we'll see right I mean if some of the

41:11

image bone stuff isn't till a little Release

41:13

down the road of course you

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boosting away. Well

42:37

on my side of things I'm lucky enough

42:39

to report that I was able to throw

42:42

another Berlin meetup. I'm here for NextCloud all

42:44

hands and as is tradition

42:47

we held a JB meetup and it was a

42:49

fabulous time as always. We ended up at Seabase

42:51

this time around which

42:53

we did last time and it's just

42:55

such a magical crashed spaceship that one.

42:58

What was really nice this time around

43:00

is we had people from a little

43:02

all over showcasing gadgets. I mean there

43:04

were familiar faces, there were new faces

43:07

so I wanted to just for you gentlemen run through

43:10

a little list of kind of

43:12

the things that stood out for me. So I did see

43:15

a brand new in the box still sealed

43:17

RS36S made

43:19

an appearance. So we're

43:23

changing people's gaming habits here

43:25

on this side of the pond as well. Of

43:28

course ByteBitten showed up. Byte thanks

43:30

for showing up again that is

43:32

always meaningful and as promised I

43:34

brought a bunch of gadgets to

43:37

showcase including a

43:39

few TPUs that were used as

43:41

a giveaway and so some

43:43

other JB listeners who attended were able to

43:46

get some of those to play with once

43:50

they get home. Now we had

43:52

a few folks show up from the

43:55

Netherlands so there were stuff waffles that

43:57

were strewn about everywhere for for folks

44:00

to enjoy. I want to

44:02

say thanks to Staz who brought

44:05

me a special gluten-free beer.

44:07

Now if you haven't been to Germany you

44:10

realize you could just drink beer anywhere. You drink beer

44:12

on the train, drink beer in the streets. So Staz

44:15

has like a database of 2,500

44:18

different beers that he's rated

44:21

along with his friends over the years.

44:23

And so Staz thanks for thinking of

44:25

me and bringing a few beers

44:27

to our one-foot tin try. Now

44:32

of course Kenji also joined us.

44:34

You might remember Kenji who helped

44:36

me personally with a bunch of NixOS stuff.

44:38

He's sort of my Berlin

44:42

NixOS aficionado. And I caught him

44:44

as always playing the part

44:46

of helping someone with their NixOS

44:49

install solving some strange issue they're

44:51

having or introducing a new

44:53

concept to them. And

44:55

I heard the word flakes thrown around

44:58

quite often. I

45:01

also did see another

45:03

listener brought a framework that hadn't even

45:06

been blessed with an OS yet. And

45:08

you gentlemen can you guess which OS

45:11

started getting installed on this thing at Seabass?

45:14

You know I'm gonna just gonna go

45:16

out here on a limb and say

45:18

NixOS. Oh that's gonna go with classic

45:20

Debian. Yeah definitely NixOS. And the beautiful

45:22

thing about this crowd is they're

45:25

like oh what should you put on this?

45:27

Yeah try NixOS. Okay sure sure sure. Does

45:29

anyone have a thumb drive at NixOS? I

45:31

need like four hands raised. And

45:33

everyone you know I had two NixOS

45:35

thumb drives and there were like four others

45:38

in the crowd too. So that was never

45:40

a problem and they were updated images

45:42

so not bad at all. In

45:45

the end as is always a

45:47

thing at Seabass you

45:49

know this is a crashed spaceship hacker

45:52

space so of course you need to

45:54

get a tour. So about

45:56

ten people who had never been there before got a

45:58

tour of Seabass. And they're just

46:00

so lovely there. So if you're ever in Berlin

46:02

and you're looking for a really cool place to

46:04

just have an experience, I would say drop in

46:06

the sea base. And a huge thank you to

46:09

them for hosting us as always. And

46:11

we had some amazing weather, so we hung out

46:13

outside on the patios and everything. It was just

46:15

a lovely experience. Oh, did you get to see

46:17

the Rurbre B I

46:26

S. You know,

46:28

Chris, we were so... enthralled

46:31

with the things that were happening on site.

46:33

And we're also in the middle of quite

46:35

a large city that... No, we didn't see

46:37

the... What'd you call it? Rurbre B.

46:40

Yeah, but we were thinking

46:42

of it. That's cool. It happens

46:44

all the time. I imagine where you're from.

46:46

Yeah, it's fine. Actually, it does. It actually

46:48

does. No, sure, it's fine. It's fine. There

46:51

were a few standout other really

46:53

memorable gifts,

46:56

experiences. So Nick

46:58

came to the meetup and

47:00

introduced the Linux Unplugged

47:02

phone number. So

47:04

this is a phone number in the Netherlands that you

47:06

can call. And when you call

47:08

this, you get a Linux Unplugged episode

47:11

right into your ear. So I don't know

47:13

if you're on a trip

47:15

or something and you don't have your

47:17

regular podcasting and you just, you

47:19

know, need a hit. You can just give this

47:21

phone number a call. I thought that was a really

47:24

sweet little project. Nick filled us

47:26

in on some of the details, which are fascinating.

47:29

Okay, so tell me what you made and

47:31

how it works. Sure. So

47:33

I made a phone number where you can call in and

47:35

listen to the latest Linux Unplugged episodes.

47:40

I'm already running asterisk and my phone numbers

47:42

are connected to there. So that part is

47:44

really easy to do. And

47:46

then I just downloaded the MP3, converted

47:49

it into something that asterisk likes, which

47:51

is eight kilohertz single

47:53

channel. Then

47:56

just write a little itty bitty dial

47:58

plan that says. if you

48:00

get a call for this number, then play back this audio file.

48:03

And that's all there is to it. It's really

48:05

easy. If you know Asterisk, that is really easy.

48:08

If you don't do a lot with Telephony, then I

48:11

guess this sounds like Fudu, but I've

48:14

done multiple workshops and talks about how to

48:16

get started with Asterisk. So I

48:18

can send you some links if you

48:20

want to get started with that. It's a

48:22

cool world, definitely. And

48:25

so what inspired you to

48:27

even make that? Because you had to

48:29

have some motive of some sort. It's

48:32

just too easy to do. It's just

48:34

a fun thing to talk

48:36

about, I guess. Right now it's not automated

48:38

yet, but I could very easily write a

48:40

script that just checks the

48:42

RSS feed and then downloads the MP3 and

48:44

converts it to a WAV file. I

48:50

have a bunch of phone numbers that are unused, and I have

48:52

to do something with them. I

48:55

can just grab any

48:57

of these phone numbers and do something with it. Really

49:00

not a big deal. So everyone that's listening

49:02

can call in. I'll give you the number

49:04

and just go nuts. Sweet.

49:06

And can you give us a demo? Can you

49:09

pull out your phone again and dial the phone number? It

49:11

was such a weird experience to hear my own voice

49:13

coming out of your phone. I

49:16

call this number and then hit call with the

49:18

speaker. The top of the left is the groovy

49:20

show that comes to you live from our TV

49:22

studio. And

49:25

here for the first time since last week. Lovely. Thank

49:27

you so much. Yeah, no problem. You

49:30

know, there's something perfect about that

49:32

particular intro over the phone speaker

49:34

as well. It just sounds incredible.

49:36

It's very classic. Now, I shared

49:38

this with you gentlemen about 30

49:40

seconds after I recorded that little

49:42

clip. And Wes, you seem to

49:44

know Asterix. Can you provide us a

49:47

little insights of what's going on in the background here? Oh

49:49

yeah, I mean it's an open source PBX

49:51

and probably a whole lot more. But

49:53

it lets you – if you want to have your own

49:56

little private branch exchange, you want to have your own office

49:58

phone set up. Asterix

50:00

can make that possible, but of course once you've

50:03

linked it out to the outside world either by

50:05

direct sip or you know Something like the regular

50:07

old telephone network. You

50:09

can do a whole lot of fun stuff like that Basically

50:11

lets you you know as calls come in You

50:14

can route them how you need via dial plans and

50:16

similar. Yeah, I thought this was really amazing

50:18

It was so fun. I it just reminds me of

50:21

how We have the

50:23

best community, you know coming up with all these

50:25

projects and just having fun with it all. It's

50:27

really inspiring For those who

50:29

would like to call in and I wonder if we'll

50:31

have some kind of love effect here and break some

50:33

things It's a

50:36

phone number in the Netherlands. So plus

50:38

three one five three two four zero

50:40

one two zero seven So go have

50:42

some fun now I

50:45

am Happy to say that's not

50:47

the only Amazing thing that happened at this meetup

50:50

and I couldn't mention all of it But another

50:52

little something stood out to me a listener

50:55

morum brought some Linux Unplugged

50:57

floppy disks to give away

51:00

at the meetup. So we have

51:02

links unplugged 561

51:05

part 1 is on one floppy disk and

51:07

part 2 is on the other floppy disk

51:09

and he mentioned that he chose 561

51:11

specifically because it was one of our

51:14

shorter episodes recently and that just made things

51:16

much easier and there was a

51:18

third floppy disk as well Linux 1.0.

51:20

Oh cool

51:24

Wow both these the phone and the floppy

51:26

disks are so exceptionally geeky cool I am

51:28

very impressed and I can feel the floppy

51:31

disk energy building. Oh, yeah. Yeah,

51:33

it's getting there That's really

51:35

great brand. Yeah, it's super fun So as

51:37

you gentlemen were having fun in your little

51:39

corner of the world So was I which

51:42

is you know, I think we're super lucky and I want

51:44

to say huge. Thanks to everyone who

51:46

traveled to be at the meetup and also

51:48

the locals who I You

51:50

know have seen time and time again here in Berlin when

51:53

I am lucky enough to be here We

51:55

are all going to try to convince you

51:57

boys to join us. So darn

51:59

it Nier is looking into renting maybe a

52:01

boat that we can take. So it'd be

52:04

a JB boat party. So we'll see what,

52:06

you know. You're going to go pick us up at

52:09

the Seattle Harbor? Yeah, yeah. That's

52:11

me? Yeah, sure. Yeah, yeah.

52:13

Sure. Yeah, that should be free, too. All right.

52:16

Yeah, yeah. So I just want to say a

52:18

huge thank you. Like these Berlin meetups are now just such a quintessential experience

52:20

for my time here, and it's just complete tradition. So

52:22

they'll be happening. There's another one

52:25

scheduled in September. So if you want

52:27

to go to meetup.com/Jupiter Broadcasting, you can

52:30

find that meetup scheduled there. And

52:33

please come join us. It's

52:36

a lot of fun. And now it is time for the

52:39

boost. And Vennie Max comes in

52:41

with our baller boost of Vaymax. I don't

52:43

like it, Vennie. I know. I

52:46

only catch it because Wes laughs at me. Off

52:49

mic. Yes, but you still laugh

52:51

at me, which is fine. I deserve it.

52:53

I deserve it. And if I'm not

52:56

mistaken, doesn't that seem like maybe he's

52:58

just going like right to ludicrous speed?

53:07

We're going to have to go right to ludicrous

53:09

speed. And Vaymax

53:11

writes, I'm firmly in favor of having

53:13

you folks covered the present Nick situation.

53:16

I found both a technical and social summary of

53:18

your Exe coverage valuable. Speaking of which, I landed

53:20

a new job a few weeks ago and Exe

53:22

came up during the interview passing the value back

53:25

your way. Oh, wow. And thank

53:27

you. Thank you. So

53:29

I would like to do it this episode,

53:31

but I think we're probably running too long. We've got the

53:33

red hat stuff. So I think that's our episode next week.

53:35

So I would like to get people's thoughts on it too.

53:38

And that's probably good to give us one more week because

53:40

there are there's forks now

53:42

developing that I need to probably probably

53:44

wrap my head around a little bit. So

53:46

that's we're going to go to school on

53:48

that. We'll get back to you. Thank

53:50

you, Vaymax, for passing along that value you got from

53:52

the podcast. We really appreciate it. This here

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is a value for value production and it's even

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more appreciated on an episode

53:58

where we worked. took us off. So

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thank you very much, sir. Eric of the art

54:03

podcast was in with 97 thousand

54:06

said I hoard that which will

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kind cover a care via

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the podcast index hello JB

54:13

with my beloved Dell XPS 13

54:15

to 73 90 mm-hmm finally

54:17

showing signs of hardware failure I'm in

54:19

the market for a new Linux powered

54:22

laptop I read that system 76 is

54:24

about to release a new daughter pro

54:26

that looks very tempting do you

54:28

recommend another 13 or 14

54:30

inch laptop that's light enough to bring with

54:33

me as I go but we still have

54:35

enough power to run next OS like a

54:37

champ thanks always for the show that

54:40

is a great question I have been

54:42

thinking my next machine is gonna be

54:44

13 or 14 inch because

54:47

there are so many other ways now to get larger screens

54:49

when I need them and if I'm gonna kind of buy

54:51

a machine that I want to last for a while I

54:54

think something that ends up being portable and

54:56

light I just I

54:58

think I end up keeping those around so much longer than

55:00

I keep the really big heavy laptops it

55:03

just I don't know you get so bored out on them

55:05

I just that's you know and so that's where like I'd

55:07

love 16 inch on a laptop I'd love like a 16

55:09

inch screen carrying that every single

55:11

day if you are carrying the laptop gets old if

55:13

it's like a desktop replacement it's on the desk most

55:15

the time it's not such a big deal so

55:18

I definitely would recommend the 13 or 14

55:20

inch laptop I don't know which one right now I am

55:22

also I've been trying to build a list of like the

55:24

top three or four laptops I would recommend maybe the boosters

55:26

can help us with this one yeah I don't have a

55:28

lot of experience so I'd like to source this one from

55:30

the audience because all of my laptops are getting kind of

55:32

long in the old two skis obviously

55:35

Brent knows the framework yeah it's that

55:37

size at least that you know 13

55:39

inch model and seems to run next

55:41

OS like a champ right yeah sure

55:43

does I mean there's that hardware repository

55:45

that community run for next OS that

55:47

is solving a lot of the little

55:49

tiny issues on the framework and just

55:51

doing some optimizations around the hardware that's

55:54

really super useful and available for other

55:56

laptops as well one thing

55:58

I would say is like the framework is Super

56:00

well it's nice to travel with from a

56:02

size perspective In also the monitor being a

56:04

to buy three is such a treat. I

56:07

didn't know if I would like that but

56:09

now when I moved anything sort of on

56:11

the wide screen and a things. S.

56:14

Not the same, so that's a really nice

56:16

aspect, but I will be have to be

56:18

honest, like I've been struggling with. Sleep.

56:20

Issues and battery. Sort.

56:22

Of longevity issues, I do have one of

56:25

the older motherboards not and one of the

56:27

newer ones is not an empty one

56:29

either, so I'm new. are you know models

56:31

might vary? Him probably or a big improvement

56:34

in London, but I should mention it just

56:36

as something to look into for your particular

56:38

use. Case. Oh his little P

56:40

S from Eric. On. The in the

56:43

Seattle area for the first time in August.

56:45

or a big industry Data Science Conference. Perhaps

56:47

that's the best chance that they can actually

56:49

meet you all in person. Yeah.

56:52

We should totally to ice. For some reason

56:54

Erica thought we had met up at some

56:56

point on a road trip a because we've

56:58

been talking for so long bag and for

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the i feel like and on I do

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This old duck still got it. I

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58:29

I do remember my first gen 2

58:31

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58:34

entire gen 2 manual and set about

58:36

running a fully optimized stage 1 build

58:38

of GNOME light on

58:40

an HP pavilion DV 1600

58:43

with far too little RAM and very

58:46

loud fans It's wait a minute.

58:48

It was a fun week was the DV 1600

58:50

the one that had like a Pentium for desktop processor

58:53

in it or something there was so there

58:55

was a line of these HP's

58:57

that had like a very hot Pentium

59:01

for in them. I don't know if

59:03

this is one of them. Well on Cena

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from 2006. There's zero out of ten rating

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Man, you know that sounds like a fun actual

59:13

episode is going to find like the worst review

59:16

old computer And try to get them to

59:18

run Linux the DV 1600 should

59:20

be on that list Let's somebody keep track

59:22

of that. That could be a fun episode Now

59:25

gene being got quite inspired this week and

59:27

boosted in nine times in total for

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a total of twenty one thousand five

59:32

hundred and seventy eight Satoshi's boost There's

59:35

a couple rows of ducks here. One of them starts

59:37

with I know I'm

59:39

a few weeks behind But one thing to consider with

59:42

the idea of fedora changing to plasma is that? What's

59:45

been in commercial products like the steam

59:47

deck lately? There might be some serious

59:49

industry drive behind this idea Yeah,

59:53

I like that bacon gene, but

59:56

I got some inside scoop bacon at

59:58

Red Hat Summit and that's the members

1:00:00

version of the show. Now it continues with

1:00:02

another Rofe Ducks. I'm

1:00:04

a few weeks behind, but I'm

1:00:06

happy belated birthday Wes. And

1:00:10

Brent has one coming up too. It's so exciting. I

1:00:12

think it was last week, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah, happy

1:00:14

birthday by the way. Thank

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you. Another 5,000

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sats to say, you dirty, rotten,

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double crossing, bleepity bleeps, you teased

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And then there didn't seem to

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be anything related to it at all. I thought for

1:00:33

a moment it was finally actually Gen 2 day on

1:00:35

the show and well, that

1:00:37

was pretty dirty. I don't know what he's

1:00:40

talking about. Yeah, I don't recall this actually. No,

1:00:42

I'm not sure what he's referring to. He

1:00:45

did mention his first Linux box. He said it

1:00:47

was a custom computer built around an AMD processor.

1:00:49

Yeah, the Athlon buddy. Yes. I

1:00:52

think it was also, mine was

1:00:55

like the K6. So mine was, that

1:00:57

was pretty Athlon, but I was

1:00:59

also an early AMD. Another one that sounds like

1:01:02

a TOS space station. Yes, yeah, you're right. I even

1:01:04

had a K6 as well back in the

1:01:06

day. Yeah, those were great. They were great.

1:01:08

They were fantastic. Gene Bean did some Gen

1:01:10

2 on there, ran some of the old

1:01:12

OpenSUSE installs on there as well. Thank

1:01:15

you, Gene Bean. Appreciate that. He

1:01:17

also wanted to mention PSI transfer for

1:01:19

file transfer and sharing, which follows up

1:01:21

with one of our picks recently. That's

1:01:23

PSI transfer. Thank you,

1:01:25

Gene Bean, and... No accounts,

1:01:27

no logins, mobile friendly interface. We

1:01:29

are Gen 2 fans as well. You should check our

1:01:32

back catalog. We recently had Gen 2 week on the

1:01:34

show. FortyDeuce came in with 6,363

1:01:36

stats to say I would definitely appreciate some of the

1:01:39

Nix drama coverage, especially if it would impact

1:01:41

the future of Nix. I'll probably check into

1:01:44

it a bit on my own too, but

1:01:46

I would appreciate you guys' take and your

1:01:48

analysis. Thank you. All right.

1:01:50

That is our to-do list for next week. We will try to

1:01:52

do our best, Jerb. It comes in with 5,000

1:01:54

sats. Linux Fest.

1:01:57

This is a celebration of Leydis Torvald's birth from

1:01:59

a very... and mother? Yeah,

1:02:02

we kind of recreate a

1:02:04

semi-messy Portland home office where

1:02:07

we stage Linus Torvalds and we have a

1:02:09

Linus Torvalds doll working on Linux and we

1:02:11

all gather around and eat salmon. And then

1:02:13

he says mean stuff to us about our

1:02:15

code. Yeah, and our salmon. Well,

1:02:18

the same cat boosted in 10,000 sats with

1:02:20

some feedback on the members feed, thank you

1:02:22

very much, and also says, great job guys.

1:02:25

Well, thank you the same cat. Appreciate

1:02:27

that. Curtis Peterson comes in with

1:02:30

10,000 sats. It's over

1:02:32

9,000! I have my

1:02:34

kids tablet set up with a folder joined with

1:02:36

syncing to their folder on my server. The

1:02:38

morning before we leave, I have them pick media they want on

1:02:40

the trip. I haven't had to remove

1:02:43

an SD card or flash in two years. It's just

1:02:45

a pain-free option. Ah,

1:02:47

so you like pre-set up like a sync thing or

1:02:49

whatever you want to use. That's so brilliant. That is

1:02:51

a really good idea. I will

1:02:53

say the Tiny File Manager really did

1:02:55

come in super useful for downloading the

1:02:58

video files because I don't

1:03:00

really have a workflow for getting

1:03:02

files on and off of an iPad. Ah, yeah.

1:03:06

And that Tiny File Manager really was great

1:03:08

for that. Red 5D boosted with a row

1:03:10

of ducks. Combination

1:03:13

Slackware Week plus first Linux

1:03:15

machine boost. My first

1:03:18

Linux distro was a Slackware based distro

1:03:20

called Vector Linux. Cool name. Yeah, I

1:03:22

remember Vector Linux. I first ran it

1:03:24

on a machine built from old spare

1:03:26

parts with a 650 megahertz Pentium something

1:03:29

or other processor, about 256 mics of

1:03:31

RAM and one 5 gigabyte hard drive

1:03:33

and then another 10 gigabyte IDE hard drive. Oh,

1:03:38

and I bet they were fast. And

1:03:41

by fast I mean slow. That's a serious

1:03:43

setup. Thanks for sharing. Yeah, so Slackware Week.

1:03:45

That's something we got to do next week. We

1:03:48

got to do Slackware next week. I know we said

1:03:50

we were going to do it this week, but then Red Hat Summit came. So

1:03:53

I apologize. Red 5, you're ahead. We

1:03:55

appreciate it. Night 62

1:03:57

boosted in another row of ducks. Hey,

1:04:01

two things. First, a while back someone talked about

1:04:03

the problem of forgetting to look into something interesting

1:04:05

they heard about on the show while listening in

1:04:07

the car. Well, I use my

1:04:09

phone's built-in assistant to remind me later of an item on

1:04:12

the show that I want to look up. I

1:04:14

say something like, hey Google or Siri, remind

1:04:16

me of that cool new Rust app that

1:04:18

Chris talked about in Linux Unplugged. And

1:04:21

the second thing is that I would really

1:04:23

like to hear your perspective on the next

1:04:25

drama in the main show. I think you

1:04:28

guys do a good job at explaining some

1:04:30

of these community drama situations but in a

1:04:32

balanced and non-clickbaity way. It is something I

1:04:35

appreciate about how you report on things. Well,

1:04:37

I really appreciate you saying that. Thank you,

1:04:39

Knights. That is a kind

1:04:41

thing to say and I

1:04:43

regret that we weren't able to fit it into this episode.

1:04:46

We had a lot going on. There's a lot going on these

1:04:48

days. VT52 came in with 6,666 satz because that's several rows.

1:04:54

Oh, ducks. He had a Pentium 150

1:04:56

overclocked to 166 MHz with 32 MB of RAM running Slackware.

1:05:02

Installed sometime in 1995. Oh,

1:05:04

man. You couldn't ICMP nuke someone

1:05:06

on IRC using Windows 95. They

1:05:09

had no raw socket support. So yeah, to

1:05:11

get Slackware. What a reason to change. I

1:05:13

love it. Helicopter is a collection of expensive

1:05:15

parts flying in close formation. Slackware

1:05:17

is a collection of Linux binaries located on

1:05:19

the same partition. That's a

1:05:21

good way to look at it. Amazing. For Slackware

1:05:23

week, please consider compiling your own X11 and kernel.

1:05:27

Oh, now we're making a lot of work. Regarding

1:05:29

the next OS drama, I don't know if I care much

1:05:32

about it, at least not of any of the sponsorship stuff,

1:05:34

but the argument around the lack of clarity and

1:05:37

Elko's position resonated with me. If

1:05:39

he's the benevolent dictator, so be it, but spell

1:05:41

it out. If he can counterman the foundation, that's

1:05:43

fine, but it needs to be written down. Otherwise,

1:05:45

we end up where the foundation says one thing,

1:05:47

he says another and there's no clear leadership. All

1:05:49

right. So we have gotten some clarity around that. So we'll

1:05:51

have to follow up with that. Thank you very

1:05:53

much for that. That is VT.

1:05:56

That is a great boost. Thank you. Brandon

1:05:58

L comes in with 9000. It's

1:06:00

over 9000! Thanks

1:06:04

for the mention last week about CELF. It'll be my

1:06:06

first Linux Fest and I'm leading a couple of Birds

1:06:08

of a Feather sessions and giving a talk on how

1:06:10

to run a business on Foth. I'm

1:06:13

looking for at least 8 people to talk to

1:06:15

ahead of time to try and get some feedback.

1:06:17

Please reach out to me on the JP Matrix

1:06:19

or my new Mastdon account at

1:06:22

bwl at techhub.social if anyone is

1:06:24

interested. It's a great

1:06:26

idea to try to get that feedback. So

1:06:29

there you go, at bwlattechhub.social. So it

1:06:31

sounds like maybe if you're running a

1:06:33

business on Foth, yeah, talk to Brandon.

1:06:35

Now, Loomor sent 5000 sats

1:06:37

in as a little word of warning. Nick's

1:06:41

last situation sure is newsworthy,

1:06:43

but tread lightly. Good advice.

1:06:46

Yeah. BHH32 came in with

1:06:48

5000 sats. I

1:06:50

don't know if you made, I think you made a comment in

1:06:52

the show, Chris, about making a food journal. Check out, and

1:06:55

he links me to food-journal on

1:06:58

GitHub. And it is

1:07:00

exactly that, a command line tool. Yes, a command

1:07:02

line tool to keep track of your food intake.

1:07:05

A command line way to do it is pretty fun,

1:07:07

BHH. Thank you very much. Appreciate that. And

1:07:10

our final boost from Zac Attack, 5000 sats. I

1:07:13

thought I would pass along two things. One,

1:07:16

I found a nice program called Gear

1:07:18

Level for managing my app images. I've

1:07:21

been looking for a placement to app image

1:07:23

launcher, and so far it's been pretty slick.

1:07:26

Also, update on my Fedora test,

1:07:28

I'm really, really liking Fedora Atomic

1:07:31

Kinoite. Uh-huh. Stay updated, and the

1:07:33

jump from 39 to 40 was smooth. Good

1:07:36

to know. I was wondering your thoughts on

1:07:38

these Atomic desktops. I feel like

1:07:40

we often get pushed back when we talk about Atomic

1:07:42

desktops, but then we hear from folks that have found

1:07:44

a use case for them, and it clearly works. So

1:07:47

more and more, I'm coming around to, I

1:07:50

think as time goes on, we'll see more and more

1:07:52

use cases when Atomic desktop makes sense as

1:07:54

they just solve more and more edge cases. Yeah,

1:07:56

and I think more composability is

1:07:58

being built in, things like that. In. Are.

1:08:01

Exploring this so either you have your Umea,

1:08:03

your time at base but for seen a

1:08:05

lot easier access to things by adding additional

1:08:07

layers on top of usability has seen a

1:08:09

big increase I think. Yeah, Yeah.

1:08:11

Alright thank you everybody lots of do some

1:08:13

of us have good boost in their to

1:08:15

thank you Everybody went twenty six boosters and

1:08:17

we stacked. Four. Hundred And Thirty

1:08:20

Four Thousand Eight Hundred and Thirty

1:08:22

Saw So thank you though most.

1:08:25

Of the don't eat. It

1:08:27

with all of us out there pounding the

1:08:29

pavement, I really appreciate the value coming back

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into the show. If you make a good

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and when the final version gets old, my

1:08:52

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1:08:54

There in a Pike Se to develop with in ninety

1:08:56

seconds. It was published as well and you can boost

1:08:58

didn't get him all. The fun part vs Great Fountain

1:09:00

is getting better every single week and we've been working.

1:09:03

On. Your feedback. A can also

1:09:05

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1:09:08

Everybody who takes a minute support the individual

1:09:10

production of the show. It really means a

1:09:12

lot to us. As we look at

1:09:14

that. A. Longer and prolonged add

1:09:16

winter. And. I'm. Not.

1:09:19

Necessarily any stronger prospects going

1:09:21

forward. It. Is really reassuring to know that you're

1:09:23

out there. Return a value the you get from the show. Thank.

1:09:26

You very much. Now.

1:09:28

Please Do fasten your seatbelts as we are coming

1:09:30

in for a landing here on the show but

1:09:32

before. We. Pull up to the gate.

1:09:34

I have got. A banger of

1:09:37

a pack boys. This could have

1:09:39

been a whole episode. That's how you

1:09:41

know we had a way to but to get to this week.

1:09:44

It's. So stupid simple, but so

1:09:46

useful every now. And then. You.

1:09:48

Are L. To. Png. has

1:09:51

been a nervous yep so simple little

1:09:53

container actually you can you can get

1:09:55

fairly cool you can get fairly complicated

1:09:57

like you can throw couch the be

1:09:59

behind it S3 object storage behind it

1:10:01

like you can get Pretty

1:10:03

deep or it's like just a

1:10:06

one-line docker run and you just give it a

1:10:08

URL and It

1:10:10

makes a PNG from that URL and you

1:10:12

can customize the image dimensions and viewport size

1:10:14

with just URL parameters that you tack on

1:10:16

to the end of the URL And

1:10:19

it could send you can say you could do the

1:10:22

same thing like you tack on a parameter and it'll

1:10:24

send a mobile agent String to the remote site and

1:10:26

then you can send a desktop agent string You can

1:10:28

get screenshots for both types if you want It

1:10:31

is so slick for like just grabbing something

1:10:33

or testing something or documenting and preserving something

1:10:35

You just drop the URL boom you get

1:10:38

the PNG URL

1:10:40

to PNG. It's really simple and

1:10:43

I'll put a link to the project site in

1:10:45

the show notes. Come on. Tell me you

1:10:47

like I do all it needs is a flake Ah

1:10:54

For me theist metrics endpoint, that's cool. Yeah.

1:10:57

Yeah, do I got you now? Oh,

1:10:59

no, I think I'm interested My one question is can

1:11:01

you add stuff like cookies or other headers? Because

1:11:04

sometimes I want this functionality but friends like that, you

1:11:06

know, maybe a non public site. I don't know a

1:11:08

hundred percent I was wondering that too. Yeah,

1:11:11

I just started playing it. I'm not sure I

1:11:14

do have a kind of a bone a bonus pick if you

1:11:16

will a bony pic I was gonna say but I don't think

1:11:18

that's right Because this is stupid

1:11:20

and fun You know what's neat

1:11:22

and I never I never get to use it Morse

1:11:25

code sure. Yeah, I mean if you go by

1:11:27

the movies it comes up handy sometimes Oh man,

1:11:30

or like in Star Trek How often do they

1:11:32

just happen to use Morse code right and then

1:11:34

like people listening just happen to know more So

1:11:36

you're trapped in some sort of situation. Yeah, how

1:11:38

else are you gonna communicate exactly? Well

1:11:41

telegraph not telegram Telegraph

1:11:44

has you covered it

1:11:46

is a simple Morse code translator You

1:11:48

type your message in there and it

1:11:50

will produce the following Morse code Well,

1:11:56

it just like blink my flashlight on my phone is

1:11:58

that the idea I know you get that Tax

1:12:00

to take your some thoughts. And yeah,

1:12:02

dashes. Ah the dots and dashes. You.

1:12:05

Go! You gotta make the noises with are mouth

1:12:07

but you can follow the dots and dashes. That.

1:12:11

I'm now. I'm curious to know what

1:12:13

ten minutes implant selling right? Soon.

1:12:16

Probably. Bit like that. Drew was great

1:12:18

having you here. Thank you for joining us! Great

1:12:20

to be here is nice to see you and

1:12:22

I hope we'll have to wait again till next

1:12:24

summit right to do the same? In

1:12:26

a way too long. Way.

1:12:29

Too long way to once present your insights

1:12:31

on some it as well and I mean

1:12:33

will check back with you. If you use

1:12:35

something like image modem production get your thoughts

1:12:37

on a good luck with your A I

1:12:39

play. but yeah thank you Ss Aspects! Are

1:12:41

also. I'd love to know just randomly if you'd

1:12:43

boosted and tell me what speed you listen to

1:12:45

the show. Because. We've been chatting

1:12:47

with folks in person and are surprising amount

1:12:50

of you. Tell me that you'd listen. At

1:12:52

like one point, Five and faster. Come

1:12:55

up with a professor, I think you're maniacs. We

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must sound super stressed out at one point five.

1:12:59

so please do boost and tell me you're right

1:13:01

in What speed deals into the showed ice like

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know anecdotally. What? That is so I

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don't know. Maybe in my mental model I know what I'm planning

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for. Had a magic. The music

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must suck to synthesis. We work

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