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drift off

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super dream there

8:58

are some who claimed to have lived

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longer and more richly

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than their neighbors melee

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asleep they claim

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they were still and

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among the treasures of memory at

9:12

all men review for their amusement

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these county know second

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place to the harvests

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of their dreams

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robert louis stevenson from

9:25

a chapter on dreams

9:29

the very curious and rare

9:32

type of dream is

9:34

attested to by perfectly

9:36

reliable witnesses is

9:39

what may be called super

9:41

dream in which

9:44

the dream mind working

9:46

beyond it's ordinary level

9:49

of capacity has

9:51

actually solved problems

9:54

defeated the efforts of the normal

9:56

mind and it's waking hours

9:59

the instances

10:02

of can dorset who in

10:04

such a dream solved a mathematical

10:07

problem the answer

10:09

to which he had vainly sought

10:11

by day has often

10:14

been quoted and

10:16

conducive to experience was

10:18

almost exactly repeated

10:21

the case of my father neville

10:25

story mass go on a

10:28

mathematical problem but baffled

10:31

the him into the treatise on crystallography

10:35

on which he was engaged after

10:38

working at it so many hours

10:41

he was to leave it on

10:44

solved and go to bed

10:47

he fell into a sleep

10:51

and in the course of a laundry

10:54

the answer to the problem the

10:57

time he

10:59

often described this to me and

11:01

told me how in an early

11:03

our of the morning he awoke

11:06

and wrote down the solution that

11:08

the dream had given him and

11:12

anxiously tested it's

11:14

correctness a

11:17

friend rights of her very similar

11:19

experience in solving

11:22

mathematical difficulties in

11:24

her sleep i'm

11:26

more than one occasion when

11:29

studying for examinations

11:32

i worked for two for three

11:34

days at days problem without

11:37

arriving at the solution and

11:40

finally worked it my dreams

11:43

with such queerness that

11:46

i was able to break down the correct

11:48

result usually on

11:51

awakening on

11:53

occasions during my school days

11:56

same thing nice to happen and

11:59

if met with very some

12:02

riders are used to put pencil

12:05

and paper by my bedside

12:07

so as to be ready

12:09

to write down the answer if

12:12

it came to me and my sleep

12:14

henri for bread

12:17

you souvenirs etymology

12:19

it's explains that

12:21

sleep in his case often

12:25

a state which did not suspend

12:28

the mines activity the

12:30

are truly quick and and

12:33

in sleep he was able

12:37

times to solve mathematical

12:39

problems with which he

12:41

had struggled by day a

12:45

brilliant beacon flares

12:47

up in my brain then

12:50

i'd jump from my bed like

12:53

my lamp and right down

12:56

the solution the memory of which

12:58

would otherwise be lost

13:01

like flashes of lightning

13:04

these gleams vanish as

13:07

suddenly as they appear

13:11

these cases to uncommon

13:14

are not isolated ones other

13:17

equally reliable witnesses

13:20

have told of their similar experiences

13:24

and though these seem specially

13:27

striking when the problems

13:29

grappled with by the dream mind

13:32

or the problems of such an

13:34

exact science and mathematics

13:38

there is nothing is nothing

13:40

occurrence that is out

13:42

of harmony what we know

13:45

war with what the latest

13:47

researchers of science the

13:50

about the mental faculties and

13:53

the dream state reason

13:56

is who we believe continually

13:59

at work in dreams

14:02

and we know that in

14:04

this state imagination

14:07

works with greatly increased

14:09

powers imagination

14:13

is an essential element

14:15

in the attainment of any great

14:18

intellectual result and

14:21

progress in mathematical knowledge

14:25

in all scientific research

14:28

has , largely due

14:30

to provisional explanations

14:33

constructed by the imagination

14:36

such explanations been

14:39

framed in accordance

14:41

with known facts one

14:45

great difference between these

14:47

super dreams and

14:50

be ordinary dream is

14:52

that a sufficiently clear

14:54

remembrance of essential

14:57

facts is carried

14:59

over into the dream state

15:02

to enable the dream reason

15:05

to draw correct inferences

15:08

whereas in most

15:10

dreams it ,

15:13

to work on more or less

15:15

insufficient data and

15:18

consequently often

15:20

comes to wrong conclusions

15:24

armed with the necessary facts

15:27

the reason in the super dream

15:30

works correctly and

15:32

powerful and

15:34

at the same time imagination

15:37

supplies the other essential

15:39

element that the think there needs

15:42

thought alone is not

15:45

sufficient for most operations

15:47

of the mind imagination

15:50

is also required and

15:53

every case of the kind

15:55

that i have met with the

15:58

solution that husband surprise

16:00

that in the dream seems

16:03

, the dreamer not to

16:05

be the product of his own

16:07

reasoning powers but

16:10

the be a conclusion arrived

16:12

at independently of himself

16:16

like a light flashed on

16:18

to his mind from without illuminating

16:21

the difficulty that had seemed

16:24

hopeless in his normal

16:26

mind by day

16:29

this type of dream it's

16:32

strange faculty of insight

16:34

or has

16:36

been realized perhaps more

16:39

awesome by those of letters

16:42

banned by those of science i'll

16:45

do it must be in

16:47

any case rare

16:49

experience the

16:52

dream in which coleridge

16:54

composed kubla khan possibly

16:57

be looked upon with some doubt

17:01

because in his case sleep

17:03

was at times induced and

17:06

influenced by opium but

17:09

there seems no reason to

17:11

question the fact the

17:13

conception of the poem the

17:16

game to the dream and

17:19

that a part of it at rate

17:23

was written down from memory the

17:25

rectory afterwards various

17:29

instances of creative dreams

17:32

has been related a

17:34

striking example of

17:36

an original and very dramatic

17:39

story which was

17:41

entirely the creation

17:43

of creation dream was

17:45

told to me lately by a writer

17:49

retained a distinguished place

17:51

among modern novelists the

17:54

time when the dream he

17:57

was engaged on engaged book

18:00

was absorbing all his time

18:02

and thoughts about

18:05

two thirds of had already

18:07

been written and it

18:09

was making steady progress

18:11

to completion then

18:13

one night the experienced

18:16

a dream of extraordinary

18:20

and vividness in

18:22

this stream story

18:25

of a most dramatic nature

18:27

was partially unfolded and

18:30

on following night it

18:33

was continued and

18:35

completed he

18:37

dreamed and read

18:39

dreamed the story the

18:42

whole plot the scenes

18:44

of the drama and it's characters

18:47

were so clearly realized

18:50

and made upon the dreamer

18:53

so insistent an

18:55

impression that he could

18:57

not free himself the

18:59

memory of them

19:02

the came between him and

19:04

his other work and

19:07

he was at last obliged

19:09

to lay this on one side

19:12

until he had fully written down

19:15

the dream story he

19:17

is he explained a

19:20

slow worker training

19:23

be effects that he i

19:25

didn't have patient care

19:28

but when he began to write

19:31

down the dream that

19:33

seemed to be like a that

19:35

was told to him rather

19:38

than a seeing of his own creation

19:42

the story as he rode it

19:44

certainly conveys impression

19:47

not , invented scenes

19:49

and happenings but rather

19:52

but that had actually

19:54

been witnessed by the narrator

19:56

this may however

19:59

has course we do not

20:01

to the curious in which

20:03

it had its origin the

20:06

to the graphic power of the novelist

20:10

very similar to his experience

20:13

the dream creations which were

20:15

so fully described by

20:18

robert louis stevenson in

20:20

his essay called chapter

20:23

on dreams in

20:26

this essay which gives

20:28

a most lucid account of

20:30

whole dream life he

20:33

described the process

20:36

of inventive dreaming which

20:38

many of his stories originated

20:42

so completely did these

20:45

dreams seem to him to

20:47

be an inspiration from outside

20:49

himself the operation

20:52

of faculties apart from the

20:54

workings of his normal mind

20:57

and working at working at

20:59

level that he

21:01

speaks of them as the

21:03

handiwork the little

21:06

people brownies of

21:08

the mind who was

21:10

t slapped mr

21:12

themselves to construct

21:15

and elaborate for him plots

21:18

of his stories or

21:20

better tales he declared in

21:23

any and he could invent for

21:25

himself hi day

21:29

gibbs in this essay the

21:31

outlines of one story

21:34

which she says truly that

21:37

it would be hard to better

21:40

to dramatic effectiveness of

21:42

it's situations

21:45

the plot of the dream hinged

21:48

upon the hidden motives of

21:50

the woman who played the leading

21:52

part in the drama and

21:56

until it's very end that

21:59

secret we've kept a

22:02

dreamer had no guess

22:04

whatever at this motive the

22:07

, of the whole well invented

22:09

plot until

22:12

the instead of it's dramatic

22:15

declaration it

22:17

was not his tail it

22:20

was too little people and

22:23

observe not only was the

22:25

secret kept story

22:28

was told with really kyle

22:30

for craftsmanship i

22:33

am awake now and know

22:35

this trade and yet

22:38

i cannot better it the

22:40

more i think of it the

22:43

more i moved press

22:45

upon the world my question

22:47

who

22:48

a little people they

22:51

are near connections of the dreamers

22:54

beyond doubt the

22:56

issue plainly and his training

22:59

they have plainly learned like

23:01

him build the scheme

23:04

a story and

23:07

to arrange emotion in

23:09

progressive order only

23:12

i think they have more

23:15

talent one

23:17

thing is beyond doubt

23:20

they can tell them story piece

23:23

by piece syria

23:26

and keep him all the while

23:28

and ignorance of where they

23:33

indeed are these dream

23:35

builders if , could

23:38

but answer this question satisfactorily

23:41

we should solve the most baffling

23:44

problems of our dreams this

23:47

power of a dream mind

23:50

not only to construct a dramatic

23:52

story the to conceal

23:55

from us till the very end

23:58

denouement to that's

24:00

the story led up what

24:02

a mystery it

24:06

how does this thing happen

24:09

we know that it does happen

24:12

more our own dreams

24:14

are far from being such remarkable

24:17

ones as those described

24:19

by stephen set and

24:21

, they lack all the craftsmanship

24:25

and his yet

24:28

we to have experienced

24:30

at the same thrill of wonder

24:33

on a secret carefully hidden

24:35

from are still the end as

24:37

suddenly been disclosed

24:40

the suggestion

24:42

made in the earlier part of this chapter

24:45

as to the main difference between

24:47

the ordinary dreams and

24:50

super dreams does

24:52

not here suffice it

24:55

is inadequate to account

24:57

for mental processes such

24:59

as these for

25:01

here are more even

25:04

than in our dreams of argument the

25:06

dual consciousness or personality

25:10

seems to be present here

25:13

again the curious since

25:16

is felt that someone

25:18

not quite oneself

25:21

someone with rather

25:24

different faculties from one's

25:26

own the yet an

25:28

integral part of cells

25:32

at work taking a hand

25:34

in the facts

25:38

that we do not know are

25:40

in their possession and

25:42

the answer to the riddle of the dream

25:44

story within the knowledge

25:47

of this other cells it

25:50

is hidden from ourselves

25:54

stephenson realized that

25:56

this other south was

25:58

intimately really

25:59

to the dreamer

26:01

trained as he himself

26:04

was trained but able

26:06

he believed to do something

26:09

which he himself not

26:12

do

26:13

war

26:14

who do it better and

26:16

to this same other

26:19

south i imagine

26:21

that the mathematician also

26:23

owes the dream solution

26:26

of his problem these

26:30

and many equally curious

26:32

and interesting experiences

26:35

which are nowadays occupying

26:37

the attention of people in science

26:40

seem , require the assumption

26:43

of a secondary consciousness

26:46

existing side by side

26:48

the are ordinary person or consciousness

26:52

and indeed unless

26:55

we can assume the presence

26:57

of such a divided personality

27:00

or consciousness it

27:02

seems almost impossible

27:05

conceive how certain

27:08

processes of the mind are

27:10

carried out in the dream state

27:13

war and the hypnotic state

27:16

no the consideration

27:19

this most difficult aspect

27:22

can only be dealt with imperfect

27:25

way by observer who has

27:27

not been necessary knowledge

27:29

of psychology it

27:31

would be impossible to

27:33

deal at all thoroughly with

27:36

the question of dreams unless

27:39

this aspect this considered

27:43

before passing on to other questions

27:46

it is curious to know the attitude

27:48

that many people writers

27:51

and others adopt

27:53

with regard to dream experiences

27:56

where it's like those

27:58

described above

28:00

outside the common range

28:03

of experience and

28:05

which to not chance to

28:07

have come under their own immediate

28:10

observation dreamers

28:13

smith actually had these

28:15

uncommon experiences

28:18

know from firsthand knowledge

28:21

strangers the may seem that's

28:24

dreams occur and

28:27

, be taken into account

28:29

when problems concerning

28:31

the activity of the mind and

28:33

sleep or

28:36

the possibility of a divided

28:38

consciousness or dual

28:40

personality and man

28:42

or consider

28:44

whereas a person's

28:47

careful and statement

28:49

about the processes of they're

28:51

waiting thoughts would

28:54

be accepted without question

28:57

it is more than likely that

29:00

if they should make an equally careful

29:02

statement about their dreams

29:05

they will find that this that this

29:07

upon very doubtful hi

29:10

there family even

29:13

a philosopher of like m berg

29:15

said stated the

29:17

theory that in general dreams

29:20

create nothing finds

29:23

it necessary you explain

29:25

away the case of such creative

29:28

dream says stephen sense i

29:30

sing a dreamer was

29:32

probably in a cycle state

29:35

in , it would have been difficult

29:38

to whether he were asleep

29:40

or awake for

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when the mind creates

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when it is capable of making

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the effort to organize and

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synthesize which is

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necessary in order to triumphs

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over a difficulty to

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solve a problem or the

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do so work of imagination

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we are not really asleep

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this summary way of dealing

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with facts or records which class

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awkwardly with theories is

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noted here only because

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this attitude this rather

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often sound in books about

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dreaming

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they do so curious attitude

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to adopt towards stephen since

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very deliberate and

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very careful analysis

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of his dream life over

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a period of years he's

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in pursuing another study

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we found that carefully recorded

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sacks did not conform

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to a theory that we had formed

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we should probably concede

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that the theory he might be

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either or

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not sufficiently elastic

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the question whether anything be

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known as to be settled not

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by arguing my try

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andy inductive method of arriving

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at truth by means of

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experiment rather

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, by logic advocated

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by the great philosopher still

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the method that it is safest

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to follow if our

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conclusions are to be sound

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it is of course the

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absence of sufficient accurately

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recorded facts concerning

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dreams that is made

31:40

it natural philosophers

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should build up their theories concerning

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them without and adequately

31:47

wide foundation and

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to once again we

31:53

are brought round to the need for

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a clearinghouse of dreams

31:57

who's widely gathered store

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this observation would

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be available correct

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or to confirm the theories

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about , working of the dream

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mind that science

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you're asking for

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the nine