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Welcome to Live Well Be Well, a

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show to help high performers improve their

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health and well-being. This

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is an excerpt from my conversation with

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Mo Gouda, who is the former CBO

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of Google X, and is on a

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mission to make one billion people happy.

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In this short Be Well moment, we

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tell you the facts on where we

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currently stand with AI, a

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big topic of debate, but don't worry, we're

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not going to fear monkey you. The

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link to the full episode is in the description.

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Do you know what I think we automatically need to

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do to every single person's podcast you've been on

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is take off AI is going to kill us

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and ruin the world. AI is

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now learning that they're going to kill us

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and ruin the world. That's a very interesting

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problem because you know what? Clickbaits. Yeah,

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clickbaits are basically not my choice,

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but yeah, please, can you please not

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clickbait it that way? This

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is all that comes up when I Google you. Yeah,

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but did you see you actually responded to

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it and looked at it? Well, I did,

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yeah. I mean, everything had urgent in front of it. I apologize.

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I didn't make the reels. But

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for some reason, I now feel like actually

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having this conversation in a less fear mongering

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way, which I

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also don't see this conversation just being that I think

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health is a fear mongering conversation. There's

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always something that's going to kill you

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out there, which I think is also

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drives me completely nuts. And it literally

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loops into this entire conversation that we

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run on negativity and

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not on positivity. Negativity bias

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gets us every single time.

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And it's how we need to change it. So I guess it

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was interesting going into that question. One,

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I felt quite stressed, which is quite ironic

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seeing as you've written a stressful. We're going to

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quickly touch on that. But two, it

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was I am a mere

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mortal and the companies that are

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running it are so have so much more power

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than. I do. But actually I've

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come out of that conversation knowing, okay, well,

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I can't change the developments and what's going

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to happen with AI. But

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actually it's similar to climate change. Yeah. 100%.

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We can all do a small thing. 100%.

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But I don't think many of us are

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aware. Yeah. I think

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the reason why the fear mongering came up

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so strongly is because

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there was a moment in my life back in

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2021, if I remember correctly, no, back in

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2020, where I decided I can't

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be silent anymore. You

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see, the problem is when the

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mainstream media lies or, you

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know, no, let's say that when the mainstream

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media tries to hide the truth, there

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are two paths to that. One path is

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to lie, but then lying

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gets you to debate. The

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other path is to distract, is

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to give you football and naked women

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and, you know, music and the story

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of the scandal between that actor and

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that football player and so on and

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so forth. And so suddenly we

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flood you, not we, but

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the media floods you with information.

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Okay. That's so irrelevant that you

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get distracted from the truth. So you're

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not even questioning what the

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most important thing is. Okay. And to

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break through that, someone has to stand

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up and say, are you even

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aware? Are you even

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aware that chat GPT today is

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as intelligent as Einstein? Are

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you aware? Okay. Are you aware what the trajectory

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of that is? Are you aware

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what's being worked on today in terms

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of complex mathematics and deep reasoning and,

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you know, so many forms of intelligence,

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are you aware? Okay. Because if

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you're not, you're not acting. If

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you're not, you don't know the truth because

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not because someone is lying to you and telling

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you, Oh no, AI is going to be fine

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because someone is telling you for the is important.

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And the game here is the following. The game

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here is every human you meet will

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have passion. They'll say, no, I want

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to influence my future. They don't

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even know what their future is. The

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real influencers of your future,

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other than looking inside yourself and making

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yourself the best version you can of

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you are a

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very, very significant economic, geopolitical,

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climate and

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technological perfect storm

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that will end our world as we know it. The

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world in four years time is not

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going to be recognizable. What do you

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think it's going to look like in four years? I

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think we're going to suffer significant job losses

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in an economic, very tough economic environment

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where lots of the tyrants in the world

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will be able to get

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away with wars and conflicts

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that are not

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just. And yeah, I

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hope the climate will still bear with us a

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tiny bit more, but you're starting

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to see signs of climate change that

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are worrying. What

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does that mean? Does that mean the world

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is going to end? No, it means the world's going to

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be challenging. Okay. Challenging

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in a way, interestingly, like

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traumas and like when life pushes

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against you, that is

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either for us to change or

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for us to heal. This is

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the only way, the only reason

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why life becomes more difficult for

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us as a human society, not

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as individuals. As a society,

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we need to change, maybe

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slow down on capitalism or change the

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target of capitalism. Right. By the way,

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nothing wrong with capitalism. I run my

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mission, one billion happy as a capitalist.

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Okay. I want to be a billionaire

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at the end of my life, but

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not a dollar billionaire. I

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want to be a happiness billionaire. Nothing wrong

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with the system. It's only a matter of

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a target. So

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either change the target. So

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instead of GDP go with gross happiness

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product or instead of production

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go with climate restoration.

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Or to heal. To

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heal everyone knows. I'm

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sure every guest you've ever had here will

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tell you healing comes with hardship. Our

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human society needs

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to heal. We need

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to bring back our feminine so that

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we have compassion, we have empathy, so

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that we realize that there is inclusion,

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okay? That we're all one. And

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so we start to work as one, not

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as competitors. And

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it has to happen. You

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brought me to a question that I wanted to ask you at the beginning.

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It was one of those many questions and I had to pick

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one of them. So

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going into our feminine is really important for

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kind of, I guess, what's about to come.

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It's the only salvation. How

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do we do that? How

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do we move more

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into our feminine? You

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ask it as if I can give you an answer. I want you

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to. You're here to save the world. No

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pressure. We're going

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to have the opposite thumbnail. So

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saves the world. So

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you see, you

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see, my struggle with finding my feminine

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side was actually quite tricky. Why?

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Because you get trained

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over, in my case, decades

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to capitalize on your masculine.

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And when things become tough, we tend to do more of what

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we know how to do best. So

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when you're faced with a challenge, you revert

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to your normal habits. And

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my normal habits to try and find my

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feminine was to use my masculine to

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find my feminine. Here's the trick. One

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more. and I wake up and I kid you not

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this is exactly what happened. I

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think it was 2017 and I woke up

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and I hear my brain, my

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masculine brain, my analytical brain saying

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that's as far as I can take you. I

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was like, I speak to my brain like a crazy man. I

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was like what the fuck? What do you mean

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that's as far as I can take you? And

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he said well the topics that you're

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now talking about, spirituality, well-being,

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inclusion, femininity

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are not to be found in the analytical

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brain. They're not. I

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mean one of the big tasks of my life is

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a quest for the divine. Let's

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not call it God. God is a brand

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that is owned by the

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religious establishment. Let's call it the divine.

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Sometimes as an engineer I call it

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the designer. This is

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one of the most beautiful mysteries

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of this life is

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to understand that relationship

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with what is non-physical.

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And how can you understand that with

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an analytical brain that only understands the

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physical? So here's the trick. To

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get into that non-doing, non-masculine

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side, non-analytical, non-linear,

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non-disciplinary side, there

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is one of two ways. You can either try to

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shut that masculine side down or

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you can trigger your feminine side. I

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tried the first one first. I

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am a modern day monk if you want.

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So I wear jeans and I

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go around the world and talk about technology but

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I do have quite a bit

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of lifetime meditation and

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reflection and so on. And

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I've done my work. Nobody

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ever succeeds but you have to do the work.

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So I could manage on demand

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to shut my brain down. No thoughts.

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I mean of course like a meditation

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you'll get mind wandering and then you

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pull it back and you put

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more hours and you become better. at calming

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your brain so that you don't get that incessant

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thinking. So

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my brain would shut down, my feminine wouldn't

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kick in. Right?

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My analytical, you

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know, driven

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brain, linear thinking would shut

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down, but I don't get

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the intuitive, creative, connected to

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the divine. It

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doesn't evolve because why? It's a weakened

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muscle. So I chose,

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with my masculine brain, I chose to

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identify qualities

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of the feminine and start to

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empower them deliberately with exercise. Okay?

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So, you know, you want, you want to take

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the one that worked for me was flow. So

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flow is flow.

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No, flow, flow, flow is to, so

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if you put a team of masculine

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men on rafts in a white

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water river, they'll try to

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resist the river and shoot somewhere. Okay?

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That's the masculine saying, this is where

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we want to go. Right?

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Let's go there. Right? If you put

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a group of very feminine athletes on that

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boat, they let the waves take them somewhere

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and just, you know, every now and then

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would touch the waves to direct the boat

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to stay stable. Okay? That's flow. That's

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letting the river, let

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life take you. Okay? Remember,

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the feminine is a state of being while the

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masculine is a state of doing. And

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what we tend to forget is that being can

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achieve a lot more than doing. So

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you can give charity, that's an act

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of doing, or you can be

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kind. That's an act of being.

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Okay? And if you give charity without being kind, it

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doesn't change a thing. Do

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you understand? So to

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find your state of being,

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I believe that the biggest

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gateways are paradoxical thinking. Explain

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what that is for anyone who doesn't know. The

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feminine has the capability to say,

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I really, dislike you mommy

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but I love you okay

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or you know of course in relationships

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he gets on my nerves but I

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so fucking love him yeah right that

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paradox of holding two opposite concepts in

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your heart and mind at the same

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time as true okay that's

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not part of linear thinking so

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linear thinking assumes everything is black or white so

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I found that flow paradoxical

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thinking empathy and

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creativity and playfulness are

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the biggest gateways to the family right

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I don't want to say it in a in

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a you know an exaggerated way but but the

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feminine is wild it doesn't want

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to be contained it doesn't want to

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be told what to do it wants to flow is one

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side it wants to play is one

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side it wants to be creative

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and and rebellious and change the

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rules and right that's one

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way it's wants to be paradoxical it wants to

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say no both are true

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or both are wrong okay and and

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I can hold that reality in

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my mind and my heart find

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which one you you

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think you can start with and

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when you unlock it it will lock the others thank

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