In this episode, Helena Norberg-Hodge talks to her friend and colleagueof 40 years, Vandana Shiva. Vandana trained as a quantum physicist, butturned her attention to campaigning for the rights of small farmers,seed savers and local communities in her home country of India when shewitnessed the imposition of industrial agriculture and its tragicimpacts on health, biodiversity and livelihoods. Today, she is one ofthe most powerful voices challenging corporate rule.

In their conversation, Helena and Vandana reminisce about friends whoinspired them both, delving deep into the stories and personalities ofthe environmental and anti-globalization movements. They explore thestructures of corporate globalization - from its roots in colonialism tothe present day - as well as ecofeminism, movement building and deepecological wisdom. Their conversation highlights the importance offocusing on economic structures, on scale and on the power of people tobuild a better world from the ground up.

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Intro music by Gillicuddy (CC BY-NC 3.0).