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scouting notebook we decide to turn the page

2:51

to the playmakers Yes, we're gonna talk about

2:53

a Mecca a booker the wide receiver who

2:56

was well known last year, right? And

2:58

then Marvin Harrison jr. Kind of stole the show on

3:00

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3:02

this year We're gonna talk about hey does

3:04

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3:06

receiver one? Is he a first round

3:08

prospect then listen Brock Bowers generational talent? Yes,

3:10

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3:19

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Mecca booka Has a chance

3:41

to return the stardom key that you alluded

3:44

to last time last year around this time

3:46

summertime scouting I was high on him.

3:48

I said man. He was why I see for two coming into the season and

3:50

then he ended up He ended up getting hurt in

3:53

October. He had dealing with a leg injury and Marvin

3:55

Harrison jr But he was just a man like he

3:57

was the man last summer. He was a man to

3:59

hunt the season And Mekebuka

4:01

became an afterthought, not just because of

4:03

Marva Harrison, but you think about Malik

4:05

neighbors and Roma Doonsay. And by the

4:07

time we got to the end of

4:09

the season, nobody was talking about Mekebuka.

4:11

And for him coming back healthy for

4:14

2024, this is a chance for

4:16

him to return to the top of the

4:18

receiver rankings or in that discussion with Luther

4:20

Burden, with Tatoro McMillan. And just some of

4:22

the notes that I wrote down when watching

4:24

them, wins with quickness. In

4:27

the contact window, at the break point with his

4:29

routes, got to understand he's a

4:31

really good route runner in terms of if

4:33

you're playing off coverage, you're playing to a

4:36

specific leverage point, he understands how to tailor

4:38

his route to stem it towards you, get

4:40

you lined up and then release at the

4:42

break point and create natural separation. He

4:44

can do that time and time again,

4:46

a guy that understands how to be

4:49

a chain mover, get to his spots

4:51

in terms of, all right, it's 1310.

4:53

He's going to run his route. If

4:55

his route calls for 12 yards, he's

4:57

going to run it there, get open,

4:59

be a consistent playmaker, especially against zone

5:02

coverage, finding the soft spots, find those

5:04

vulnerable areas in the defensive coverage. Then

5:06

he showcased to me, even though he

5:08

didn't play the full season in 2023,

5:10

I'm sorry, he did, he

5:14

wasn't able to showcase more toughness in the middle of

5:16

the field. A guy that was able to make contested

5:19

grabs. And when I say contested

5:21

grabs, I'm talking about him going up,

5:23

playing above the rim like Russell Westbrook,

5:25

high pointing or anything like that. But

5:27

more so just being physical at the

5:29

catch point with bodies around him, being

5:31

more of a collision player. In 2023,

5:35

41 receptions, 515 receiving yards,

5:37

only four receiving touchdowns. This guy

5:39

right now has a top 100

5:41

grade from the NFL heading into

5:43

2024. His speed is sufficient. And I'm going to tell

5:45

you, the pro comps, I have for him and what I really

5:48

liked, even though I had to watch some 2022 tape when

5:50

he was healthy, over 1100 yards receiving,

5:53

he's a guy that you can use

5:55

in the manufacturer touch game. Keith,

5:57

in terms of the...

6:00

the quick screens, the bubble

6:02

screens, the orbit motions, but also handoffs. So

6:04

you're talking about that jet motion, that jet

6:06

sweep. He can run that as well. And

6:08

he's got a strong dense frame that way

6:11

he can handle that type of contact as

6:13

our ball carrier. So he's tough after the

6:15

catch as well. I just think when you

6:17

look at him, my pro cops, I

6:20

think he is going to be more regulated

6:23

to the slot for a lot of teams. And

6:26

he will look kind of low hanging

6:28

fruit for one of them, Jackson Smith and

6:30

Jigba, former teammate, JSN, but he also mind

6:32

me a Kenanella in terms of how

6:34

he wins. Yeah, okay.

6:36

How does he compare? Because

6:38

I'm trying to nail Emeka Igbuka right

6:41

as far as like what

6:43

box to put him in. And I know we have

6:45

in this discussion now. And I thank you because I

6:48

agree with you. I don't think he's

6:50

Marvin Harrison, right? He's not the DK

6:52

Metcalfs and the AJ Browns, right? He's

6:55

not of that ilk. But

6:57

when we talk about potential super because that's how

6:59

we want to frame him, right? As far as

7:01

last year, we're talking about, hey, why receiver two?

7:03

And then, you know, the hype is going to

7:05

rebuild again. It's like, man, that Emeka Igbuka guy,

7:07

right? Like he's going to ball out. But you

7:11

talked about his speed being sufficient. So

7:14

with the speed being sufficient and not like

7:16

of an elite level, then like you

7:18

said, now we're talking about one of

7:20

those guys that are movement pieces, his

7:22

ceiling. How

7:25

does he compare to a

7:27

CD lamb type of

7:29

guy? I

7:33

like similar, kind of similar. I

7:35

think with CD lamb, like he's,

7:38

I think he's strong. Like not, I want to

7:40

say like, like he's just strong, but he plays

7:43

stronger in terms of like, more contact balance

7:45

and yeah, like that dog mentality with the

7:47

ball in his hands, he don't want to

7:49

be tackled. So not saying that Mecca does

7:51

it, he reminds me and tackle anything, but

7:53

I think CD lamb is just a little

7:55

different in that regard, but I

7:57

liked that. I've never thought about it, but they actually

7:59

do some. like there's some similarities between

8:01

the two guys. And I

8:03

think that leg injury Keith, he

8:05

looked like he actually added some weight last year

8:07

too. He got a little bit bigger compared to

8:09

2022. Because

8:11

like 2022 tape, I felt like he had

8:13

more explosiveness. I remember the Notre Dame game.

8:16

They lined up at the X, and he

8:18

just like two step, started to step

8:20

the guy and took off. And I was like,

8:22

yo, that's that home run hitting type of speed.

8:24

And he was a four, four, four, three guy

8:27

coming out of high school. And he just like,

8:29

I don't know if I remember correctly. So

8:32

I think just that added weight, the injuries, stuff

8:34

like that may have zapped a little bit from

8:36

him on tape. I'm hoping that he returns to

8:39

that type of explosiveness I

8:42

saw in 2022. But the city lamb one, I think you could use him like

8:46

a mom and a saint brown. You know what

8:48

I mean? You know, it's that stout slot, the

8:50

Julian Edelman types, where it's

8:52

like they're tough, they're gritty, they don't get the

8:54

hard earned yards, but they can win with routes.

8:57

I want to ask a question. I want

8:59

to ask a question. C.D. Lamb was

9:01

a first rounder. In a

9:03

redraft, do you think that a minor

9:06

saint brown is a first round wide

9:08

receiver? I

9:10

think he should be. I had him

9:12

high. I really liked him. Yeah, no, I

9:14

liked him too. And I remember him going all the way

9:16

back to modern day. Right now is my time at LSU.

9:18

We had to recruit these kids. And I was like, hey,

9:20

this kid is pretty good. And then it was funny because

9:22

you know like you count your wins and your losses, right?

9:25

I'm like, man, a minor saint brown. I

9:27

remember the draft. And obviously, I wasn't in this space.

9:30

But he went in the fourth round. I'm like, man, I

9:32

thought he was way better than that in high school. And

9:34

then you wait a couple of years in the NFL, right?

9:36

And then it winds up turning out that he was a

9:39

really good wide receiver. One of the better receivers in

9:41

the league. Yeah, but I wanted to ask

9:43

that because just C.D. Lamb

9:45

being a first rounder, a minor saint brown, because

9:47

some people hit him, and be like, my man

9:49

went in the fourth. Maybe he's more of a

9:51

second, third-ish. But just so you can kind of

9:54

put it into context, hey, I feel this strongly

9:56

either way. I gave him a high second. I

9:58

gave him a high second. OK. And

10:00

that's even, like I said, me looking at it like,

10:02

okay, I went back to 2022. I

10:04

had to because he was healthy then. And I'm like,

10:06

all right, what did he look like when he was

10:09

healthy? He was a freaking baller. And I think that

10:11

the one thing, and this to the CD-Lam

10:13

point, or where I do think that there's

10:16

a big, the biggest difference is

10:18

the catch point in terms of high pointing. Like

10:20

CD-Lam can make plays a little bit more

10:23

at the catch point away from his frame,

10:25

above his head, plucking the

10:27

ball. And be able to box guys out.

10:29

Like he's more of a, in no situation,

10:32

he's going to be more of a body

10:34

catcher. He doesn't attack the ball consistently with

10:36

full range and arm length and things like

10:39

that. And I think that's where I want

10:41

to see him just evolve. Like,

10:44

because then when you do that, then you

10:46

can, teams typically do feel better

10:48

with you as a back shoulder fade option,

10:51

as a guy that can high point down

10:53

the sideline and not have to move you,

10:55

put you in motion, take you off the

10:57

ball, different things like that, to give you

11:00

free releases. And I think that's the thing

11:02

is just consistency at the line of scrimmage

11:04

of defeating those long arm physical bump

11:07

and run type of corners. I think those guys

11:09

on the outside could give them some trouble because

11:11

they're not, they're not going to be afraid, at

11:13

least off of the 2023 version of

11:16

him just running by them. And

11:18

if he's, if that's the athletic profile,

11:20

then yeah, he's probably going to be

11:22

more of a movement Z hybrid slot

11:24

type of guy, which again, in today's

11:26

NFL is a very productive position. Yeah.

11:29

And we've seen that, right. And we've seen

11:31

guys elevate, like even the jail and pokes

11:33

coming out of, not coming out of nowhere,

11:35

right? But he took off towards the back

11:37

end. And even, I mean, just second round

11:39

wire receivers period, right? Like they become more

11:42

coveted because they're looked at, Hey, you're drafting

11:44

your wire receiver too, which most NFL teams

11:46

need a tandem, right? You need a wire

11:48

receiver one and a wire receiver two, but

11:50

DP, let's keep this thing going, man. I

11:52

told you we are talking, we are talking

11:54

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11:57

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Titan, Oscar, Delp.

13:23

Keith listed six, five,

13:27

245 pounds, a different type

13:29

of different body type than Brock

13:31

Bowers come off a season where

13:33

again, he was the Titan two

13:35

behind Bowers, 24 receptions, 284 receiving

13:38

yards, only three total touchdowns. He

13:41

had he's a this is

13:43

a chiseled Titan. He looks like an

13:45

NFL Titan, Keith. But did the tape

13:48

tell give you any inkling that he

13:50

is going to be able to replace

13:53

that playmaking ability that we saw from

13:55

that elite prospect that was Brock Bowers

13:57

in this Georgia's office? Yes.

14:00

And he's going to do it in

14:02

a different way, DP. This is not

14:04

the same type of player. I'm

14:07

trying to find comps, right? If

14:09

Brock Bowers was George Kittle, Oscar

14:12

Delp is maybe more Darren Waller, right?

14:15

In a sense of the fact he's that

14:17

flex out option. He's that slot guy. He

14:19

does get in line, DP, and he gets

14:21

after it. Like blocking wise, he, in, listen,

14:23

we have to put it into

14:25

context, right? He's going to block like an offensive

14:27

tackle. No, but for a tight end, he cares.

14:29

He cares about it. And it's even not even

14:32

him being in line, right? But if he's the

14:34

second man in a bunch set and he has

14:36

to just throw a crack block, he's going to

14:38

get in there and throw that block if it's

14:40

a screen, right? And he's one of the two

14:42

blockers. He's going to get in there and try

14:44

to block his man. I put grit on his

14:46

report. I thought this was a guy that had

14:48

grit played real gritty. I appreciated him as a

14:50

football player. I gave him a second round grade.

14:53

So I went ultra aggressive with this situation. Body

14:55

type wise, if it's just people haven't

14:58

watched him yet, looking in the past,

15:00

he's probably closer to Luke Musgrave, right?

15:02

As far as one of those six,

15:04

five-ish long athletes, lean, can run in

15:07

a straight line, fluid mover, athletic.

15:09

So there are a lot of things

15:11

to like about Oscar Delpene and just

15:14

constantly trying to find NFL comps

15:16

for him. But I really like what you can do

15:18

with Oscar Delpene. I think he's a tight end

15:20

that potentially you can run

15:23

an offense through an NFL offense through

15:25

him. We've seen our

15:27

guy out there was that Trey McBride

15:29

in Arizona, right? And he was the,

15:32

what I believe he was the leading

15:34

receiver for the Arizona Cardinals. He had

15:36

Travis Kelsey, right? And what

15:39

the Buffalo Bills may do with Dalton Kincaid,

15:41

right? I feel like he can be in

15:43

that elk too. Like if you draft Dalton

15:45

Kincaid to be one of those guys, I

15:47

think Oscar Delp can be one of those

15:50

football players and everybody's going to see the

15:52

minimal production, but you have to understand, first

15:54

of all, philosophy wise, it seems like

15:56

nobody gets the football at Georgia, right? Like they just

15:58

make sure that everybody touches it. five,

16:00

six times DP. The running backs don't get it

16:02

a lot. The quarterback doesn't throw it a lot.

16:04

The wide receivers catch a little bit. The tight

16:06

ends catch a little bit. They believe

16:09

in sharing a rock to almost to

16:11

a detriment to some players. Right. Um,

16:14

but I do like Oscar Delp. I think he's a

16:17

really good football player. You talk about improvements real quick,

16:20

contact balance. That's where him and Brock

16:22

Bowers are different. Brock Bowers has, you

16:26

know, talking about running styles, right? Brock Bowers

16:28

was almost the Adrian Peterson

16:30

of running backs, but it was just kind of wild,

16:32

right? Like, you know what I'm talking about? Well, he

16:34

was just like, like, all right, this dude is crazy.

16:36

You know what I'm saying? Like you get the arms

16:38

flailing and they're getting after it, right? That's how I

16:41

want to put Brock Bowers in the, the,

16:43

that bucket. Oscar Delp

16:46

is, is, is the smooth athlete, right? But because

16:48

he's kind of high hip, kind of long, you'll

16:51

see those kind of arm tackles, you know, are

16:53

just, you know, somebody tripping them up, the ankle

16:55

tackles, things like that, they'd be able to trip

16:57

them up and make them fall. So, but he,

16:59

he does have straight line acceleration to him. He

17:02

can pull away from linebacker. You're talking about crossing

17:04

routes. If he, if he's just running a simple

17:06

crossing route, he can pull away from

17:08

a linebacker after he catches the football. So good

17:10

football player, DP. No, and I'm

17:12

glad to hear that. Cause I liked him when I saw him,

17:15

you know, as well. And like one

17:17

of the things that in Georgia does such

17:19

a good job of getting their athletes in

17:21

space. You know what I mean? Like the,

17:23

the blocking to the league, you know, they,

17:25

they all run wheel routes with them as

17:27

a, as an H back. And with his

17:29

legs at six, five, two 45 that stride,

17:31

he's going to outrun a lot of linebackers.

17:33

And if you are able to stick with

17:35

him, he's six, five, he's got long arms.

17:38

He's a bigger body. He can play. You

17:40

know, you know, I

17:42

was, I started to think of Kyle

17:44

Rudolph. So I thought

17:46

of, as you were, as you were explaining

17:48

him in more in depth than I was

17:50

able to watch, I thought about TJ Hockinson, you

17:53

know what I'm saying? I don't mind that one

17:55

either. The six, five, two hundred 45 pound athletic

17:57

tight end company. When he came out of Iowa.

18:00

And we saw him at, you know, we saw really

18:02

good stuff from him in Detroit. And then we saw

18:05

him when he got to, to Minnesota was like, Oh

18:07

man, like this dude is a playmaker. And if you

18:09

put him in an offense with another or the

18:12

elite receivers, like how do you handle

18:14

that type of talent? I'm excited for

18:16

Oscar because now he is the tight end

18:18

one. Like how does do, how does

18:20

he look and how productive will he be when

18:22

they funnel that pass the game through him? Because

18:24

there is no Adonai Mitchell anymore. You know, that

18:27

type of receiver, in my opinion, I don't think

18:29

I have the Dominic Lovett kid and David

18:32

Bell. Yeah, they

18:34

got Bell and then they, they brought

18:36

in two transfers, I believe also. So

18:38

you can tell they're trying to remake

18:40

this thing, but that's why I expect

18:43

early on for them to just go

18:45

with the, go with what they know.

18:47

And as Oscar dealt, right? Cause he's probably gonna be

18:49

the most familiar part. And even them losing running backs.

18:51

I can't remember if that one Edwards came out of

18:53

the draft. But Kendall Milton

18:55

was another guy, right? So that's two running backs

18:58

they've lost. So it's, it's up. They lost. Um,

19:01

Amarias Mims, right? So it's a new look

19:03

offense, um, for this Georgia team. And

19:05

that's why I'm expecting targets to go Oscar del

19:07

Bue. And I would not be surprised DP, if

19:09

we get to the end of the season, everything

19:12

stays pretty much the same, right? And

19:14

we're looking at him as a, this

19:16

is a top 50 type prospect because

19:18

when you look at the athleticism and

19:20

the opportunity for playmaking ability, it is

19:23

all there. Like I really enjoy Oscar.

19:26

Do you think he, uh, from when you watch

19:28

Keith, you know, do you think he's a guy

19:30

that can flex outside as well? You're talking about

19:32

creating mismatches. If you were like that coverage indicator

19:34

where you see, all right, if it's man to

19:37

man, that linebacker has to go out there and

19:39

man to make coverage. Okay.

19:42

He definitely can do that. And I believe

19:44

he done it at Georgia because they, you

19:46

can tell last year that they ran the

19:48

offense through, but this is another guy

19:50

that left, right? And they ran the

19:52

offense through Brock Bowers and lad McConkie, right?

19:55

And so sometimes Oscar Delber had no choice,

19:57

but to, I'm gonna say play second fiddle

19:59

right. But though he was doing enough for

20:01

the love of the game ropes, right and doing

20:04

for the love of the game situation DP But

20:07

if he's put in those positions, like I

20:09

said, I think is different What I learned

20:11

Oscar depth up at running back like

20:13

they did with Brock Bowers No, because

20:15

they're they're like they're built different their

20:17

physique is different You know

20:20

body anatomy is just different and change the direction

20:22

things are just different But you're talking about that

20:24

big slot put him in the open Um, but

20:26

I also don't mind them in line because he's

20:28

a willing Participate in the

20:31

run game. So you let him work the middle of the

20:33

field you you can put him out wide and do Mismatched

20:35

things and open up stuff for other people. So this is

20:37

a fun thing is you could do it I was good

20:39

though. My last question Keith Physicality

20:42

like after the catch right because like you talk

20:44

about what Brock Brock became that maniac with the

20:46

ball in his hands and everything like that what

20:49

like does he bring a physical element as a

20:51

run after catch threat or is he more of

20:53

a smooth finesse Kind of

20:55

evade you move around it or does he

20:57

play that big physical tight end that'll stiff

21:00

arm you and run through you? Yeah,

21:02

so What you

21:04

mentioned Brock Brock you can almost categorize as

21:06

dead right like the physical he's gonna try

21:09

to run through your face Right. I think

21:11

Oscar delp had a little bit of all of

21:13

it, right? And he for some reason he likes

21:15

jumping over defenders Like I think three times on

21:18

film he hurtle people right and I'm like a

21:20

breath like this can go either way for you

21:22

That's his thing he likes jumping over Hurdling

21:25

defenders, but he has a nice kind of

21:27

athleticism He will work to finish

21:29

right if it's a sideline situation DB running

21:31

up on him You throw that shoulder at

21:33

him and try to run him over

21:35

But he also would try to make you miss a

21:37

little bit in space and get vertical upfield So it's

21:40

a nice combination and that's how I feel about I

21:42

just he I feel like he's a well-rounded Tightened

21:46

prospect especially for this new age You

21:48

can even invoke the name potentially of the the

21:51

Sam LaPorta's right that we've seen I think he

21:53

just fits in that bracket where I don't know

21:55

for sure He's a first-round

21:57

tight end, but I feel good

22:00

at this moment, if everything

22:02

that we just outlined as far as with

22:04

the Georgia's offense and things running through him,

22:06

that he'll be viewed as like a second

22:08

roundish tight in prospect moving forward. So it

22:10

should be a fun conversation, but DP, let's

22:12

keep on his tight end conversation, man. Because

22:14

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22:16

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23:43

Young man have had a pretty

23:46

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23:48

passing attack. I've already presented KA

23:50

club to get his issues as

23:52

a first year starter pass that wasn't

23:55

the greatest, but 50 receptions, almost

23:57

500 yards receiving five

23:59

total. touchdowns and

24:01

the things that really popped off the off

24:03

the tape for me when it came out

24:06

to Jake Briningstuhl is his athleticism, his frame,

24:08

a guy that works the middle of the

24:10

field confidently. He's you know a good route

24:12

runner, you know strong athletic profile, has great

24:14

height and catch radius to be able to

24:17

make those plays at the catch point. He

24:19

plays he he aligns as an in-line tight

24:22

end out wide and like a big

24:24

wide receiver walks

24:26

down into the slot as a big

24:28

power slot. He can work the vertical

24:30

seam, build up speed. This is

24:32

a guy especially in the red zone

24:35

you get him up against nickel corners,

24:37

safeties and even linebackers. He's the type

24:39

of guy that extends the area code

24:41

for a quarterback and I think

24:43

that's what he really is able to shine because

24:45

of his height, his weight, his height and

24:48

his wingspan. I think for

24:50

me Keith like the thing that I I

24:52

guess the drawback I gave him

24:54

a high third round grade. I talked to one

24:57

of my guys at least and now like you

24:59

know I gave him a high third late second.

25:01

It's he is a high hip six six. He's

25:03

a high hip type of tight end so he

25:05

doesn't give you that wiggle after

25:07

the catch. He's going more so stiff arm you,

25:09

he's physical and strong. He's going to try to

25:12

run you know run through arm tackles. So it's

25:14

like okay if you catch the ball in tight

25:16

quarters he's more of a move the pile type

25:18

of guy than a catch

25:20

two-step you be elusive.

25:22

The stuff that we see like a Travis

25:25

Kelsey do like he's not going to be

25:27

that type of guy of like the lower

25:29

body fluid and flexibility but he breaks off

25:31

well in the at the break at the

25:33

break point. You know me in terms

25:35

of you know when he's route running and everything. I think

25:38

this is a guy that to

25:41

me he's going to be he's

25:43

a guy that you can't funnel your passing

25:45

game through right and I was struggling with

25:47

comps for some reason. I couldn't think of

25:49

like a true I couldn't think of like

25:51

a true NFL comp for him because he's

25:53

six when he's 230 so it's like he's

25:55

a little different body type but it's you

25:57

it was I think it was Dallas Garter.

26:00

with the Eagles where Dallas is such

26:02

a good route runner,

26:04

you know, catch, you know, good receiving

26:06

threat, but it's like, okay, after the

26:08

catch, he's not going to give you

26:10

a lot of dynamic ability. So it's

26:13

like, okay, he might be a little

26:15

cap there. Okay. So

26:17

is he too thin DP at

26:20

two 30? And cause what I want to ask

26:22

you is this, what's the difference between

26:24

him and Johnny Wilson? If,

26:31

if, if you're, if you're drafting

26:33

it, and I'm just, cause you know, we

26:35

just having a conversation, right? Like just what's

26:37

the difference, I guess in that mix of,

26:39

you know, like just him being six, six,

26:42

two 30 versus Johnny Wilson, maybe then it

26:44

failed views it differently. But he

26:46

sounds like a really good player. But when I

26:48

hear you see two 30, that's when we kind

26:50

of have the conversation of like, okay, then where

26:52

do we place him? Like you said, and you're

26:54

like, okay, cool to power slot. And then how

26:56

do you, you know, I guess go about maneuvering

26:58

him on a field. Is he a guy where

27:01

you owe you, he's too

27:03

tight in sets. Do you view him

27:05

as a tight in one? Like how do you go about

27:07

that? I think he has potential

27:10

to be a tight end one for offense and

27:12

you, you definitely could use him in two tight

27:14

end sets. Similar to when you talk about Oscar

27:16

dealt, right? Being a willing participant in the run

27:18

game, he knows how to wall off and seal

27:20

off guys. You know, being six, six is like,

27:22

you know, Pat level is always kind of a

27:24

tricky thing, but if he can get his hips

27:26

and knees bit a little bit more, he'll be

27:28

able to anchor and be able to like really

27:30

move guys off the ball. He plays with good

27:32

strength too. And you know, similar to even like

27:34

a coast in Loveland, a guy being using that,

27:37

you know, another six, five, six, six, coast

27:39

is a little bit more muscular. And I do

27:41

think he can add a little bit of muscle

27:43

to his frame and get up to that two

27:45

40, you know, me two thirds, two 35, two

27:48

40, but you know, with, with Jake Brins, so

27:50

he also knows how to box guys out at

27:52

the catch point as well. You don't mean

27:55

those in cuts in the red zone, whether

27:57

it's a quick slant, you know, a little

27:59

skinny post. or a quick button hook.

28:01

You know what I mean? He can do those different

28:03

things, box a guy out, and still be able

28:05

to make those tough grabs. I think

28:07

the main thing for him, like when it comes

28:09

down to that, I think one of the things I knocked him for was

28:12

he kind of has a little bit of a

28:14

tendency to be a body catcher. Whereas he'll use

28:17

his frame to trap the ball. I want to

28:19

see him be more aggressive with

28:21

his hands. Because when you're 6'6",

28:23

you got those long arms in that frame, man,

28:25

when you really extend your arms, you're truly boxing

28:27

guys out. You know what I'm saying? It

28:31

makes it a lot more difficult. And then also, you

28:33

think about physical hitters. What's the

28:35

phrase? Separate ball from body. How do

28:37

you create that issue as a receiver,

28:39

letting the ball get into your body

28:41

instead of catching it with your hands

28:44

and then bringing it in?

28:46

He allows the ball to get caught in between his

28:48

pads and his arms. And sometimes I want to just

28:50

see him catch the ball with his hands a

28:52

little bit more. But I think this

28:54

is a guy that I really wish he was in more pass,

28:58

not pass happy off, because they

29:00

run the air raid at Clemson. Just wish

29:02

that the quarterback play was more efficient. You

29:04

know, a more compelling. I don't know if

29:06

you mentioned this. I don't remember hearing it.

29:08

What is he primarily aligned? Like, is it

29:10

just slot type of situation? I know you

29:12

said a more pass happy air raid. Is

29:14

he a primarily slot guy? And you can

29:16

expect him to work the middle of the

29:18

field? Like, what do they do with age

29:20

back? Are they versatile with him? Like, where

29:22

is? Yeah, they're versatile with him.

29:24

He'll play in line. He'll play off ball.

29:26

He'll play in the slot, out wide. They

29:28

line them up everywhere. And he's like, he's

29:30

effective at all the facets and the positions

29:33

they put him in. You know what I'm

29:35

saying? It's just now, it's like, all right, I'm expecting to

29:37

get the nice little leap from 2022 to 2023. I

29:41

would love to see him with seven, 800 yards, and

29:43

really showcase that full array of

29:45

a skill set, because he's talented. Like I said,

29:48

you think about, because I don't think this, yeah,

29:50

this tight end class wasn't great. You know

29:52

what I mean? Phil Johnson, I think third.

29:55

We have Brock Biles in round one. Yeah, Vince and

29:57

I went in the second. And then they'll do it.

30:00

But the year before, yeah,

30:02

this sounds like this is more

30:04

Sam LaPorter, Dalton Kincaid, Luke Musqueam,

30:06

Michael Mayer. Then I'm trying to

30:08

think the other tight end that

30:10

went to Green Bay. Oh, Tucker

30:12

Kraft. Tucker Kraft, right? Like this

30:14

is my name. That's a name that I

30:17

didn't even think about. But I think Tucker

30:19

Kraft's build and height and the way he

30:21

won wasn't like a dynamic after the catch

30:23

similar to Jake Britney's tool. I think he

30:26

kind of fit into that mold as well.

30:28

I think this tight end, because we're going to have to have a

30:30

discussion about this tight end class and the later date. It's

30:33

shaping up to be one of them ones.

30:35

And I still got to get to Iowa's

30:37

Luke Lachey, who's coming up off of injury,

30:40

who is a really talented young man as

30:42

well. So this is this is turning out

30:44

to be a really good, talented

30:47

side in class. Yeah, I

30:49

agree. And I have Mason Taylor from LSU, right?

30:51

The son of Hall of Fame with Jason Taylor,

30:53

who's been playing since his two freshman years. So

30:55

this should be a big year for him. And

30:58

as far as productivity go, but DP, that wraps

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