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Y receiver one with people calling

2:27

Y receiver one T T or

2:30

Macmillan. We're going to say that name a lot.

2:32

We have to make sure we get that right.

2:34

Then we're going to go down to Tennessee man.

2:36

Talk about James Pierce the edge rusher who some

2:38

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2:40

going to talk about a sleeper running back that

2:42

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2:44

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2:46

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2:49

Tatora Macmillan listed at six five

2:51

210 pounds. Keith

2:54

the star Y receiver for those

2:56

Arizona Wildcats that should potentially

2:58

make the uh you know, cause football playoffs.

3:00

They're a talented team and you look at

3:02

what he was able to do. Remember guys

3:04

if you don't if you don't remember go

3:07

back you know to this past draft season,

3:09

you know, a couple months ago, we had

3:11

Arizona's wide receiver Jacob Cowling on the show

3:13

and he talked about to Tori Macmillan. He

3:15

talked about T Mac and as

3:18

successful as Jacob Cowling was to Tori

3:20

Macmillan had 90 receptions, 1402 receiving

3:24

yards and ten receiving touchdowns. I was

3:26

like, I when I watched him because

3:28

you know, having to watch Jacob

3:30

Cowling, he kept popping up on tape

3:32

for me watching uh Travis Hunter as

3:35

a corner. Those two battle it out

3:37

when Colorado face Arizona in a very

3:39

high scoring matchup and I was like, man,

3:41

this is this guy looks like

3:43

Drake London and but he kind

3:45

of gives me that Mike Evans

3:47

type of feel in terms of

3:50

stretching the field vertically. Catchpoint route

3:52

running can play inside play outside

3:54

uh you did the deep dive

3:56

into him. Do you agree with those two kind of

3:58

player stylistic? I

4:01

agree, especially. And when I was watching him last

4:04

night to kind of wrap him up, that's the

4:06

guy that came up was Mike Evans, right? Because

4:08

I'm like, man, who is a big 6'4", 6'5",

4:13

can box you out type Robert C. Wright. And

4:15

I thought of Brandon Marshen. I'm like, I just

4:17

use that for Keon Coleman, right? Then you just

4:19

kind of go through the role of Dex at

4:21

NFL. Then I thought of my, hey, is this

4:23

guy like a rookie? Pook in the cool, right?

4:26

That's another name that they got brought up that

4:28

I thought of when I was watching him, but

4:30

he's a couple of inches taller than Pook. And then

4:32

that's when I thought of Mike Evans. I'm like, you know

4:34

what? That's not a bad comp

4:36

right there at all, man. This guy, he's

4:40

every bit of 6'4", right? You big body,

4:42

physical. And you know what it is? It's

4:44

the same exact thing in the comp is

4:46

probably spot

4:49

on innocence. You

4:51

know, when we talk about, did we just bring

4:53

it up to Mike Evans name, we

4:55

both thought of him. And the reason I say

4:57

it's spot on is because Mike Evans, he, when

5:00

we talk about off coverage, right? And this is

5:02

something that T-Mack does really well. He can still

5:04

stem defenders, right? At the top of the, at

5:06

the top of the route, he has that rocker

5:08

step to him, even though he's 6'4", there's some

5:11

fluidness there with him. And then I think it's

5:13

the same thing with Mike Evans, right? There are

5:15

certain moments where you feel like Mike Evans can

5:17

pull away defenders. And then there's certain moments

5:19

where you like, Hey, you know, how fast

5:21

is he? Right? And some of the same

5:24

things with, with T-Mack, but yeah, T-Mack, listen,

5:26

route running. I think I seen this guy

5:29

have a mixed bag of releases, right? He

5:31

can do the diamond step. You know, just

5:33

different things. He's very versatile and what he

5:35

can do then getting

5:37

into the route for a 6'4", guy, he

5:39

can sink his hips, get in and out

5:41

of breaks. They do align him in the

5:43

slot a decent amount. He's a guy that

5:45

will go in motion. So I thought about

5:48

all of these new age NFL offenses where

5:50

we talk about, Hey, can this receiver beat

5:52

press coverage? Well, they don't necessarily have to

5:54

beat that much press coverage because usually they,

5:56

there's some type of stack the line, the

5:58

stagger alignment, or they in motion. right to

6:00

where the DB can get hands on off

6:02

on them immediately. But I do

6:05

like T Mac and I was just like, okay,

6:07

hey, where do we place this guy? You

6:09

know, in context of even last year's draft,

6:11

and I think it would have been an

6:14

interesting conversation, right? Because he is such a

6:16

big body guy. And I think we know

6:18

Marvin Harrison joining went one. And then I

6:20

think he would have probably

6:22

forced some teams to consider or

6:25

have the conversation between him and Malik neighbors

6:27

just be in Malik is a different style

6:29

wide receiver. But because he is six, four,

6:31

and potentially that big body box you out,

6:34

throw the fade route, all of those types

6:36

of things, right? He will probably make you

6:38

have the discussion of taking him early. Just

6:40

like we seen with the Drake London draft,

6:43

right? Drake London went first. And it was

6:45

probably because they may have felt more comfortable

6:47

with his size and body profile. And I'm

6:49

not saying that that's the right decision, right?

6:51

Because you still had Chris Olavie, Gary Wilson,

6:54

Johan Dotson, that was Jameson Williams, right? That

6:56

was a loaded draft. But I think he

6:58

was the one guy that stood out from

7:00

a size perspective. No, a

7:02

hundred percent. I think if to

7:04

tour McMillan was in last

7:06

year's draft class, he's in that

7:09

top four top three, he's battling

7:11

with Malik neighbors and Raul Dunez.

7:13

And it's crazy because That's another

7:15

name. That was another name I thought

7:17

of. Rome. I thought of Rome

7:19

and Mike Evans. That was the two names

7:21

I thought of when I was watching T-Mack.

7:24

No, he's fluid. And you're talking

7:26

about prototypical ex-receivers, Marvin, Rome, to

7:28

Tora. And he had Malik who's

7:31

more of that Z slot

7:33

movement guy. And yeah, I absolutely

7:35

think he would have made

7:37

teams, not only, all right, do we want

7:39

Malik neighbors. Like if you're the Giants, you're

7:41

like, man, we got some small guys. We've

7:44

got some fast guys. We don't have a

7:46

true X. If they're sitting there

7:48

McMillan's available, then it's like, okay, do we go

7:50

with to Tora? Do we go with Malik? Do

7:52

we consider Rome, you know, whatever the

7:54

case may be. And I think he

7:56

would have made it a real conversation for that

7:58

wide receiver two, three. I think

8:00

he's probably going to be the guy that's going to

8:03

spearhead the charge for majority of the season, especially because

8:05

like I said, the hip, the Billy sink his hips.

8:08

Like he runs whip routes, pivot routes. And

8:11

I'm just like, he don't just do it. He

8:14

don't just do it once. Like he runs whip

8:16

routes a lot. Like that's what I noticed.

8:18

I'm like, okay, they, they really trust this big boy. And

8:20

it's, and it's anytime it was a three by one set

8:22

and he was to the single side, he

8:25

would be kind of like, okay, I'm going to be like,

8:27

okay, I'm going to be like, okay, this guy can win

8:29

in his fast. And I think, I just think that he,

8:31

he profiles to be an easy, high volume target, right? Because

8:35

he is six four, because he can run routes. Now,

8:38

is he the most explosive guy? Like

8:40

you're not going to confuse him with a Julio Jones or some of

8:42

these other top wide receiver

8:45

prospects that he's going to be able to get to.

8:47

And I think that's what I noticed. I

8:49

think that's what I noticed. I think that's

8:51

what I noticed. I think that's what I

8:54

noticed. With a Julio Jones or some of

8:56

these other top wide receiver prospects, like in

8:58

the big lexicon of wide receivers that we've

9:00

seen, right? But I think that he's a

9:03

good, he's a good player overall. And I

9:05

think that he will be an easy bottom

9:07

target and having watched him and having watched

9:09

Luke the burden, he

9:11

does what Luke the burden does. And

9:14

he's also six four and he still has

9:16

the short area quickness has, you know, has

9:18

that element to his game. So I can

9:20

see right now to where T Mac

9:23

will be positioned to be above Luke the

9:25

burden and talk about in the wide receiver

9:27

conversation. No, and I wouldn't be

9:29

shocked if that's how it plays out next draft.

9:31

You know what I'm saying? Because at the end

9:33

of the day, like there's certain things you can't

9:35

teach kids. You say you can't teach speed, which

9:37

is true, right? Like you can't, you can't make

9:39

someone run a four or three, but you also

9:42

can't stretch a five 10 receiver to make them

9:44

six, five. You know what I mean? It's just

9:46

some certain things you can't teach. And I think

9:49

that Mike Evans comp is going to stick with

9:51

him the entire way. I think that Mike Evans

9:53

comp, like I will say Mike coming out of

9:55

Texas A&M was a more

9:57

explosive or deep, more a faster

9:59

play. air coming out. You know,

10:02

that was a guy that in the SEC

10:04

was running by Bama DBs. You know what

10:06

I mean? That long stride, just be able

10:08

to stretch the field vertically, but the

10:10

ball skills, the fluid movement. Then Mike Evans

10:12

was good after the catch. And I see

10:14

a lot of that with T-Mac too, being

10:17

able to catch that short pivot route or

10:19

whip route and then turn it up. Turn

10:22

it up. Feel. And I think he's going

10:24

to be, he's going to be in

10:26

that top 10 for sure. And so in my opinion, once

10:28

we get to, you know, if he has another season, just

10:30

like how he had last year and crazy

10:33

enough year one, he has 700

10:35

yards, I think like five touchdowns and he

10:37

doubled it up with 1400 in year two

10:39

and 10 touchdowns. I'm excited to see what

10:41

he does in year three. Yeah.

10:43

And I, the way, the way he profiles

10:45

as a player, um, easy

10:48

to get the ball to him. So I was

10:50

looking at the production also yesterday. Um, and I

10:52

can easily see him being a, a another 14,

10:54

1500, 1600 yard guy, um, just because they

10:59

get the ball to him so much ease, the

11:01

quarterback could be back, right? They have a lot

11:03

of good situations going on over there, Arizona, especially

11:05

offensively. So we'll see how that thing goes. But

11:07

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11:09

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11:11

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those Tennessee volunteers. And Keith, you said it,

13:16

he's a guy that another guy is supposed

13:19

to be at the very top of his

13:21

position group, right? Come and listen to that.

13:23

6'5", 240. K He

13:26

had a, you know, went and looked at, I went and, you

13:28

know, looked at the numbers. 27 tackles, total

13:31

pressures and hurries combined, 78. He had nine

13:33

and a half sacks. And this is a

13:35

guy that if you look at some of

13:37

the early, way too early, 2025

13:40

mock drafts, he was the first overall pick

13:42

in some of them where he was like, Hey, he's

13:45

the top edge rusher in the class. Keith, what

13:47

did the tape tell you? Like,

13:49

does the tape match the

13:51

hype of James Pierce? Yeah.

13:54

So there are certain elements of the

13:56

tape that match the hype and

13:58

perspective of what he's still. can develop into, right?

14:01

And when you see this guy, he's listed

14:03

as six, what, six, five, 240. So

14:05

let's see if he's six for 240 pounds.

14:08

That's still more like that. That's enough height

14:10

and length, right? When you talk about an

14:12

air drusher, he has first step quickness. This

14:14

is a really good athlete on the outside.

14:16

He's a guy that wants to put you

14:18

in one, puts, he

14:20

wants to put the offensive tackles in one-on-one

14:22

situations, DP, and beat them. And we talked

14:24

about this, the basketball on grass situation. That's

14:27

exactly what he wants to do. He wants

14:29

to cross you over, meaning he wants to

14:31

take an outside angle, cross inside, right? I

14:33

just seen the clip going viral about Michael

14:35

Parsons, right? Kind of doing the same thing.

14:37

He was rushing as a stack, but I

14:39

mean, as a mug on the eight, mug

14:41

in the eight gap. But it was the

14:43

same type of situation, right? Getting you going

14:45

in one direction and then crossing face to

14:47

the other direction. A lot of

14:49

his game is predicated on

14:51

speed and just being a smooth athlete. And

14:54

that's what you see. He's a guy that,

14:56

like I said, it's the one-on-one situations. The

14:58

least amount of contact that we can have,

15:00

the better for me, right? Because I'm a

15:03

better athlete than what most offensive tackles are.

15:05

Now, the conversation, DP, is this, that, and

15:07

then this is kind of where I want

15:09

to live at as far as we talk

15:12

in draft prospects, we talk draft philosophies, right?

15:14

And what is one of the draft philosophies

15:16

that we can have a conversation of, is

15:18

there a weight threshold to

15:21

an edge rusher? And

15:24

I looked at some of these edge

15:26

rushes in the past, that lived around

15:28

that 240-ish range.

15:30

And it's not a lot of them, DP, that

15:33

have had a lot of success. So I think

15:35

that's gonna be an interesting dynamic. And what I

15:37

mean is this, that most of the guys, I

15:40

feel like they're around 250-ish at

15:42

least, right? When you start getting into that 240, you

15:45

get into the Bruce Irvins, but you

15:47

also get into the Barquevia's Mingos. You

15:49

get into the Deon George. You get

15:51

into the Leonard Flohr, who has had

15:53

a decent career thus far, playing in

15:56

a complimentary role. But you ask yourself,

15:58

would you take that? as a

16:00

top 10 pick. And I think that's the conversation

16:03

that's probably going to start to come up around

16:05

James Spears, especially if we get into official weights

16:07

and things like that. And it's, it's 238, 241.

16:12

Well, cause I like guys that have their speed

16:14

to power conversion. Yeah. No,

16:16

I think that's a good point and a good pull in

16:18

terms of, yeah, there's not a lot

16:21

of guys that have had

16:23

high amounts of success at

16:25

less than 245, less than 250 as

16:27

a full time edge, especially mainly

16:30

because I know again, basketball, the

16:32

football analogy, like, what

16:34

do you do with a pass rusher? You want

16:36

to take their legs out. How do you take

16:38

their legs away from them? You run the ball,

16:41

you lean on them. You, you know what I

16:43

mean? You weaken their legs to wear that third

16:45

and 10. They don't have as much

16:47

juice. You know what I mean?

16:49

As a guy who's who can hold up at

16:51

the point of attack a little bit more, cause

16:53

he has more muscle mass, more thicker, lower half

16:56

stuff like that, where it's like basketball. How do

16:58

you handle somebody, you know, tire somebody out? You,

17:01

we seen the Celtics do it to the Mavs, right?

17:03

They, they pull in Luca Doncic

17:05

in every pick and roll. Let's tie those

17:07

legs out big fellas. So you can't dribble

17:09

and shoot and perform the way that

17:11

you really want to cause you're a little bit more

17:13

tired. And I think for him, the, the,

17:16

the arc, I think that he probably should take

17:18

is the Brian Burns in terms of

17:20

getting up to 250. You know what

17:22

I mean? Can you carry 250 to 250 to

17:25

255 and still

17:28

have that first step explosiveness? You know,

17:30

Brian Burns, you know, I seen him

17:32

in person for multiple times, you

17:34

know, when he was with the Panthers explosive

17:37

bend agile. You know what I

17:40

mean? Just a fluid

17:42

loose mover. And but

17:44

he says, still able to be that even at 250, 250 plus.

17:48

And it's like James Pierce, can you do the same thing?

17:50

Cause though I think the thing when I watched them, the

17:52

little bit I saw of him, I was like, all right,

17:55

he gets back there. He creates a lot of pressure. He

17:57

can be a headache for

17:59

offensive line. But I looked at none.

18:01

Can you tell me you did the deep dive? I

18:03

didn't see a lot some teller didn't really see

18:05

a plan You know I mean like no He

18:08

was like knew what he was going to do. Yeah,

18:11

a hundred percent. It's a It's

18:14

exactly that it's a lot of I'm a better

18:17

athlete than you I'm gonna just go out here

18:19

and I don't want to say just run around

18:21

writing in and make it seem

18:23

like there's no process but there's not a

18:26

Step one two and three right to win

18:28

in this situation and even counter moves, right?

18:30

I talked about the counter move of

18:33

him going outside inside But that's more of

18:35

movement versus hand maneuvers and executing You know

18:37

what I'm saying? Like if I if I

18:39

if I get this stagger step What am

18:41

I gonna do if I get a quick

18:43

set? I'm gonna adjust here if I get

18:45

a deep set I'm gonna just here like

18:47

there wasn't I didn't see that part to

18:49

it So that's the conversation DP that is

18:52

there's still a lot of upside But

18:54

also you talk about development and you talk

18:56

about hey if you took this player as

18:59

Of now if there weren't was no development, where

19:01

would you grade him? right and I think that's

19:03

the conversation that's to be had because we do

19:06

this with prospects all the time is that we

19:09

We get in a summer scouting we get excited

19:11

because we say hey This is year two and

19:14

we we assume that players are going to get

19:16

better like man All they're gonna do is get

19:18

much better and then we get there and then

19:20

we like okay Maybe the

19:22

development didn't happen like we thought it happened So

19:24

James Spears man, I like I said, I like

19:27

a lot of the things that he he executes

19:29

as a as a player But there's also some

19:31

developmental upside to him on that You have to

19:33

kind of pull out and if not you're gonna

19:35

kind of be stuck in the middle ground of

19:38

where do I play? This guy, you know what

19:40

situation then you also have to talk about the run

19:42

game to being 240 pounds If he's

19:44

your starting edge and he's a guy that has to

19:46

set the edge, right? It's like these big offensive tackles

19:48

you get a JC Latham trying to move him out

19:51

the way It's like good luck with that.

19:53

You know what I'm saying? Like

19:55

I mean, you know, you got to tell least what was

19:57

right. You just take this offensive tackle class that we just

19:59

had had and match that up

20:02

against him, it's like, okay, very

20:04

interesting conversation to be had. So

20:06

there are some things that need to be worked on, but

20:08

if you're talking about just a peer athlete, I can see

20:11

the excitement for him in there. No,

20:13

100%. And I think that, as we're both talking

20:15

about, just having a plan, but

20:17

also having the counters and how to set

20:19

guys up. You remember, we

20:22

were at the Senior Bowl two years

20:24

ago, two, three years ago, Washington Maine

20:26

Johnson dominated for two days. And

20:28

one of the biggest takeaway was this man knew

20:30

how he was going to attack every

20:32

tackle he faced in practice. It

20:34

wasn't the same rush, wasn't the

20:37

same plan. He was very

20:39

calculated and deliberate. By that second step, he knew

20:41

if he was going inside or out, he knew

20:43

if he was going double hand swipe, he just

20:45

knew what he was going to do.

20:47

There was a process, right? The method to the

20:49

madness. There was a method to his approach

20:51

on how he was going to dominate that

20:53

rep. And I want to see that development

20:55

from James, because like you said, just looking

20:57

at this past class, right? Like, so

20:59

if you can't get around Joe O, how are you

21:01

going to win? If you can't get around, like, Olu

21:04

Fashanu is an athletic tackle, right? That's what I was

21:06

about to say. And that's the thing with

21:08

these, like, even like, let's take a step

21:11

down from the very top, right? Yeah. Let's

21:14

get into the Jordan Morgans. Let's get into the

21:16

Matthew Bergeron from last class, right? Like these guys

21:18

were athletic guys. You see what I'm saying? There

21:21

were certain elements of the game that we

21:23

thought needed to improve, but they were athletic

21:25

guys. You talk about even the developmental players,

21:28

right? The Rashid Walker, right? That's

21:30

in Green Bay. You know, so

21:32

it's winning pure of athleticism that I think

21:34

there's a threshold to that once you enter

21:36

the NFL, because usually there are more athletic

21:39

offense attackers. And I think that's where you

21:41

kind of have to have the conversation with

21:43

James Pierce, the development portion of a DP.

21:45

But I'm ready to get into your guy,

21:48

man. The sleeper running back, Mr. Justin Ellison,

21:50

you know, we're doing his podcast, man. We

21:52

talk about who nobody else is talking about

21:54

and DP found the one. So let's get

21:57

into this conversation of the sleeper running back

21:59

justice. The

22:02

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22:04

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22:06

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22:08

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22:17

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perfect kind of ice cold for Dr. Pepper. I'd

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you for making it locked on NFL Draft, your

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being our every dayers. Justice

22:39

Ellison played

22:41

that weight for us. The starters career transferred to

22:43

Indiana. Shout out to those Hoosiers. Their offense got

22:46

two players so far that's popped to me that

22:48

they might have a better offense in 2024 than

22:50

they did in 2023. Listen to that. It's 5'10",

22:52

210 pounds. Young

22:58

man that had a solid season

23:00

last year, but Wake Forest's offense was just,

23:03

it was a little weird. You know what I mean? 120 carries,

23:06

548 rush yards, only one total touchdown

23:10

on the season. He has a sturdy,

23:13

compact build, low center of gravity. And

23:15

I want everybody that's listened to remember

23:17

a couple of years ago, Kenneth Walker.

23:22

When Kenneth Walker, he went there one year to Michigan State.

23:25

He also transferred from Wake Forest. He was

23:27

in that same style offense. And that's what

23:29

I really like about Justice Ellison. I'm not

23:32

saying he's going to have a Heisman campaign

23:34

like Kenneth Walker to the Michigan State, but

23:37

it's the fact of working in

23:39

that deep, slow mesh, RPO offense

23:41

where it, in terms of the

23:43

ball is still in the belly of the running back,

23:46

probably two yards into the line of

23:48

scrimmage, into the action, into the

23:50

wash, and the bodies

23:52

around them with the offensive line and defensive

23:54

line battling. And what that offense does for

23:57

a running back is if you succeed in

23:59

it, it showcases. is your quick twitch fibers,

24:01

your muscles, to be able to move

24:03

quickly, exchange gaps, get in and out

24:05

of the phone booth, be able to

24:08

make defenders miss, because you're literally right

24:10

up on the defensive line, and

24:13

the linebackers starting to, especially

24:15

ones that are triggering downhill, because they see

24:17

the mesh point, but being able

24:19

to get out of there, and not only get out

24:22

of there, but find your way to daylight.

24:24

And he does a good job of that. Like

24:26

I said, that sturdy bill, he has decent contact

24:28

balance, love his lateral agility and quickness. To

24:30

me, he's a gap scheme fit for

24:33

a team. In terms

24:35

of what I want to see improve, I

24:37

want to, from a zone standpoint, outside, not

24:39

like the inside zone, but outside zone, I

24:41

just feel like he's not processing and seeing

24:43

it particularly well. But at the same time,

24:46

you know what he is? Like I said,

24:48

he's a gap scheme guy. He reads better

24:50

from inside to out than outside to in.

24:52

So for me, I want to see if

24:55

Indiana runs, what type of concepts they're

24:57

going to run with him, to

24:59

really allow him to flourish in this offense.

25:01

Receiving production, you want to see more from

25:03

him there, because he has the athleticism,

25:07

the build and the body type and

25:09

the frame to do so, and

25:11

everything. I think he's, you know, to me, he projects as, pretty

25:14

much like a RB two or three, two or

25:16

two a team. You know what I mean? A

25:18

guy that can come and spell your starter, and

25:21

he could be on your team for multiple years.

25:23

And if your starter goes down, you feel comfortable

25:25

with him starting, because now

25:27

it's just ups, is there a lot of upside,

25:29

a high ceiling to him? No, not really. But

25:31

at the same time, because Keith, you always talk

25:33

about with running backs, that top tier trait, that

25:35

A-Treat, that elite trait. I don't see

25:38

that with them, but at the same time, didn't

25:40

see that with Blake Corne physically, didn't see that

25:42

with Kyron Williams physically. There's multiple running backs in

25:44

the league right now that are making plays, you

25:46

know, Blake Corne, you know, as a rookie, but

25:48

we've seen what Kyron Williams was seeing with different

25:50

guys throughout time, right? You know

25:53

what I mean? Clyde Harris-Laire has had some success

25:55

when he's been healthy with, you know, when

25:57

Andy Reid gives him the ball in Kansas City.

26:00

You know what I'm saying? But yeah, I

26:02

think with Justice Ellison, like he's a sleeper

26:04

guy, probably a day three guy. But I

26:06

really like what he's going to be able

26:08

to bring to a team because he's willing

26:10

to stand in and make blocks in pass

26:13

protection. But also there's upside form as a

26:15

receiving back. So he can give you a

26:17

multitude of things without having a high, high

26:19

ceiling. Is he going to be Saquon Barkley?

26:22

Absolutely not, guys. I'm not saying that.

26:24

But can he be a productive, professional

26:26

running back help your offense 100%? And

26:30

I think he has the skill set to do so. OK,

26:33

I have a question. Is there

26:35

a NFL running back or NFL

26:38

backfield? Let's say running back.

26:40

There's a starting running back that

26:42

you feel like, you know what,

26:44

this guy pairs really good from

26:46

a complementary standpoint. Like what is

26:48

the, I guess, the matchup, right?

26:50

Like what's that guy and he

26:52

can do something different or complimented? Ramon

26:55

J. Stevenson in New England, I think it was the first

26:57

team to come to my mind. But

26:59

Ramon J. could do everything too. He catches the ball,

27:01

he runs the ball, stuff like that. But I think

27:03

he would be a great kind

27:06

of asset behind him. You

27:08

think about, of course, they have

27:10

Keaton Mitchell, but I think Baltimore

27:12

will behind Derek Henry or

27:15

even Indianapolis,

27:17

right? Which I know they got some

27:20

young backs there. Don't get me wrong.

27:22

But I think behind Jonathan Taylor with

27:24

Anthony Richardson, that read option

27:26

QB, you know, QB read, zone read

27:28

type of game, that RPO game that

27:30

they run in Indy, under Shane Steichen

27:33

to be another guy behind Jonathan

27:35

Taylor. I think he will absolutely flourish if

27:37

he was able to be that second back

27:39

behind JT. I think there's

27:41

a couple, you know, James Conner and Trey

27:43

Benson, right? Cause he eventually had to be

27:46

the backup to Trey Benson cause James Conner

27:48

is on the inspiring deal. I think there's

27:50

a couple back fields that he could be

27:53

a very good change of pace style

27:55

runner. And like I said, like he's

27:57

downhill guy or good contact balance. good

28:00

pad level falls forward. I

28:03

think he has good open field speed. He's not

28:05

elite. So I don't think you should expect a

28:07

lot of home run hits from him, but hey

28:09

man, sometimes I'm cool with doubles

28:11

singles. Yeah, especially at the running

28:14

back position, that's usually most times,

28:16

right? That's the most effective when

28:18

you consistently gashing those teams for

28:20

eight yards, 12 yards, 13 yards,

28:24

you know, a 21 yard running, then you back

28:26

at seven, right? And it's just like the defense

28:28

is like God dog, right? Like I read that

28:30

consistently than just one big run. And then now

28:32

you stop the rest of the game. Two yards

28:34

of carry and then one 60 yards, right? And

28:37

one other name real quick to

28:41

throw out there in terms of what

28:43

he could potentially could be if

28:45

he got the chance. I think about Jalen

28:47

Warren with Pittsburgh and Jalen Warren was

28:49

a guy that I love Jalen Warren coming out of Boise

28:52

state. I was like, yo, let's do this built

28:54

like a Ray Rice, like

28:56

Doug Martin, that, you know, that

28:58

short compact bill, good speed, you

29:00

know what I'm saying? And then he could catch

29:03

the ball. He could make plays in space, things

29:05

like that. But you know, the NFL didn't view

29:07

him as highly, but now you see what happens

29:09

when you give guys that are talented a shot.

29:11

And I think that justice Ellison could do similar

29:13

things as Jalen Warren. So despite

29:15

where he may be drafted, this is a guy

29:18

that can make plays and all he needs is

29:20

opportunity. Yup. A hundred percent with

29:22

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