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I was thinking about the players with

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the most on the line here, the

3:26

two names at the top of the list,

3:28

Eric Stokes and Josh Myers are

3:30

part of what

3:33

is right now a

3:35

truly terrible draft class for the Green Bay Packers.

3:41

And it is up to them and

3:43

more likely just Eric Stokes to

3:46

fix that. Now Josh Myers,

3:49

you know, I think it's possible that

3:54

he could have a good enough season to get

3:58

extended and move forward. it

4:00

doesn't seem like that's going to happen because

4:04

they're already giving Elton Jenkins snaps

4:07

at center. The

4:10

rest of this class though, let me remind

4:12

you, Eric Stokes first,

4:16

Josh Myers, Amari Rogers,

4:20

not in the NFL, Royce Newman, probably

4:23

shouldn't be in the NFL. Now TJ Slayton, I

4:26

think he's gonna get a contact extension, a fifth

4:28

round pick, that's a home run. But Shmarjahn Charles,

4:31

can't play. Colvin Landon, not on

4:33

the team. Isaiah

4:36

McDuffie, a

4:38

fine backup linebacker, a really good pick late

4:41

in the seventh round, given what

4:43

he's given them, but it's not someone

4:45

that they want in

4:47

meaningful roles for this team moving forward. They proved

4:49

it to us when they said, Edger and Cooper,

4:51

Tyron Hopper, come on down. And then

4:54

Kylan Hill, who look like the steal of this

4:56

draft class, couldn't

5:00

get his act together apparently. Having

5:05

a day three where you

5:07

get TJ Slayton and Isaiah McDuffie,

5:09

that's pretty good work. But

5:13

neither of those guys are

5:15

team building blocks. Not

5:17

really. Eric

5:21

Stokes as a rookie looked like he could

5:23

be. And

5:27

we just haven't seen it. But

5:31

in a lot of ways, he is the pivot point

5:33

of this season, not because if he's

5:36

not healthy or not good enough,

5:39

they don't have someone to put

5:41

in his plays. It

5:44

is a good option

5:46

to have to have Carrington Valentine. He,

5:49

to me, is similar to Christian Watson

5:52

in that if he is healthy, if

5:54

he plays his best, I

5:57

have such faith in

5:59

his gifts. Based on not just

6:01

college tape or or pre-draft assessment because

6:03

I didn't actually love Eric Stokes in

6:05

the pre-draft process But

6:08

watching him as a rookie the

6:10

confidence he had The

6:12

ability to not panic to play

6:14

press To

6:17

run with anyone to close down space

6:19

to get beat over the top and

6:22

close down space like no one I've ever

6:24

seen And

6:28

then It just wasn't the same

6:30

in 2022 he gets hurt He

6:33

loses much of the 2023 season

6:36

when he is out there. He was out there too

6:38

early and He gets

6:40

hurt again, then he gets back out there He

6:42

has to play way too much because they don't have any corners like

6:45

they're Everyone their own mass unit

6:47

on that part of the ball And

6:51

it just never looked right he

6:54

never looked the same If

6:59

he is what

7:01

he was as a rookie just that guy It

7:05

is an enormous benefit to this

7:07

team with Kishan Nixon and Jair

7:09

Alexander and you add Xavier McKinney

7:12

And whatever you get else out of the safeties The

7:16

secondary can be pretty good if Eric Stokes

7:18

looks like that guy If

7:22

he looks like that guy to start the season and

7:24

can become some better version of himself

7:26

after that By the

7:28

end of the season he's starting to

7:31

realize the vast potential that he has

7:34

I mean

7:37

That's a that's a I cannot understate

7:40

how vital that would be Because all

7:42

of these teams that you're gonna face

7:44

in the playoffs. They have multiple

7:48

receivers and

7:50

Defensively we talk about this all the time

7:52

every day or they know this Defense

7:57

coverage is a weak link

7:59

system You are only as

8:01

good as your worst player if

8:05

There are no weak links and

8:08

this is something that like the Patriots

8:10

are are just proof positive of

8:14

For 20 years. They were awesome

8:16

defensively without Consistent

8:20

no doubt Hall of Famer's like they had to rel Reavis for

8:22

a little bit They had some they

8:24

had some really terrific players come through there

8:28

But there's no there's no like

8:30

hey we had Brian or lacquer for 10

8:32

years Hey, we had Ray Lewis for 15 years

8:34

like they didn't have that But

8:37

what they did is always always always have a

8:39

roster full of guys who just know where to

8:41

be know what they're doing You

8:45

don't need that that high-end high-end talent,

8:47

you know, they get the

8:49

Dorell Reavis for a year They get the Stefan Gilmore

8:51

on one contract That's there

8:53

for them If

8:56

the Packers can get to that place where there's just nothing to

8:58

pick on and The

9:01

last couple years like the guy to pick on has been Joe Barry

9:04

if that's not the case anymore

9:06

Eric Stokes is such a Ceiling

9:10

razor not just a floor razor because like the floor

9:12

to me is set by

9:14

Carrington Valentine Because

9:17

if Eric Stokes isn't good enough, you have Carrington

9:19

Valentine who in year two

9:21

he's gotten bigger. He's gotten stronger That

9:24

is Your baseline, you

9:26

know, you're gonna get at least that but

9:29

Eric Stokes can take them to the moon

9:31

because that's where his potential is and This

9:34

2020 draft or 2021 draft. Excuse me It

9:40

looked in the moment Like

9:42

the Packers press there were there were misses

9:46

All over the place and in real time. It was like Some

9:49

of the ones in the middle rounds especially now TJ Slayton

9:51

again, it turns out he's a useful player He's gonna start

9:53

this year for the Packers This

9:56

was not a good draft of

10:00

right now. But if Eric Stokes hits

10:03

his potential this year by

10:06

the end of the season is playing like the guy who

10:08

is the more fully realized version of the guy we saw

10:10

in 2019 as a rookie. Then

10:12

you come out of it with a backup guard, a

10:16

starting defensive lineman, a linebacker that if

10:18

he doesn't start is a quality backup

10:20

for you and a starting caliber

10:22

corner. That's a great draft.

10:26

That's a great draft.

10:30

But if Eric Stokes can't play, can't stay healthy,

10:34

it goes from a great draft to a bad

10:37

draft because you have no

10:39

real impact players. And

10:44

when you're about to pay the quarterback

10:46

a bazillion dollars, you

10:49

just can't afford to have that. And that's the reality

10:51

where the Packers find themselves right now. Luckily, Brian

10:53

Utikins, it appears 2022, 2023, those look like 2023, especially looks like

11:02

they look like incredible

11:05

drafts. We'll

11:07

see about this latest one. But they need something

11:12

out of Eric Stokes. And if they get it, if they get it, Eric Stokes can take them

11:14

over the top. That's

11:20

the beauty of it. He can take them

11:22

over the top. Now,

11:29

the interesting thing about the last couple of drafts being so good and Eric Stokes

11:31

being such a pivotal person in the 2021 draft is if you go back and

11:33

look, the draft's the story. The

11:39

draft's to start the Brian Utikins era. It's

11:45

not great. And we're going to look at next

11:47

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that the packers look for, the drafts, I like to

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what's going on. And

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the first Brian Utikin's draft, he

14:57

absolutely nails Jair Alexander and

15:00

then gets the future first. It

15:03

is about as virtuosic

15:07

a start as a drafter as

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you can get. Ted

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Thompson took Aaron Rogers. This

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is a organization

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that just must have a thing.

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But Josh Jackson, nothing.

15:25

Orham Burks, not on the

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team. He's a fine player, but they traded up in the third

15:29

round for him. J.M.

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Moore couldn't play. J.K.

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Scott, they used a draft pick on a punter

15:37

he couldn't play. They

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15:42

as a long snapper. They

15:45

drafted three receivers, only one of them

15:47

turned into a meaningful contributor. That was

15:49

Mark Wizz, Valor Scaling. The rest, James

15:51

Looney, Kendall Donnerson. Now you

15:53

get an all pro in a draft. That's

15:55

nice. And

15:58

you get an all pro plus a robo.

16:00

rotation-level receiver a Rotation

16:03

level receiver that now two championship

16:06

caliber teams have decided we're

16:08

good But

16:10

that another championship caliber team is like we

16:12

need that guy It's

16:16

because you get the future first out of it

16:19

you have to say it worked But

16:22

it's not a great draft by any means 2019

16:28

got better right Roshan Gary a

16:30

little head scratching in the moment, but we've seen what he's become

16:33

Darnell Savage The lauded

16:35

pick in the moment. He's no longer on the team

16:38

Part of that is I think usage part of that is

16:40

money Some of the things they had

16:42

to do this contract to make all the numbers work Part

16:45

of the reason why I don't think he ever came back, but then you hit

16:47

on that one Jenkins absolutely, no doubt you

16:51

hit on Kingsley Kiki and and

16:53

then It

16:56

doesn't it doesn't go great he

16:58

gets essentially kicked off the team After

17:04

that like tie summers a nice special teams player, it's

17:07

for Sean Gary and Ellen Jenkins. Those are two core

17:10

members of your team But

17:13

it's certainly not how you build a franchise

17:18

For the long term you need more success

17:21

than that now If you

17:23

if you make sure like if you find a

17:25

gyro Alexander and we're Sean Gary

17:27

and an Elton Jenkins in Three

17:29

drafts or two drafts three guys three core pieces

17:31

three of the best players on your team We're

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you those three guys are gonna be in the top ten and

17:44

They are in the top ten at their respective

17:46

positions like they're really really good players But

17:51

you it just doesn't work to build

17:53

the roster that way We

17:57

talked about 2021 Now,

18:02

the 2020 draft, you

18:05

may recall Jordan Love. That's

18:08

a home run. And I said at the

18:10

time, it doesn't matter what else

18:12

happens in this draft. Getting

18:15

Jordan Love, if he's good, makes

18:18

it a good draft. Well,

18:21

that's still, I still think that's true, especially because

18:23

Jordan Love has exceeded even my

18:25

expectations of what he could be. I

18:31

mean, the rest of this, AJ Dillon

18:34

got a one year special

18:36

dispensation deal. Josiah

18:38

Deguara, gone.

18:42

Camille Martin, long gone. John Runyon Jr,

18:44

gone. And

18:47

the rest of the, Jonathan Garvin has a very

18:49

nice career playing professional football, not in the NFL.

18:53

Do you even remember what happened to Simon

18:55

Stepanek? There

18:58

was that moment when it seems like Vernon Scott was going to get

19:00

an opportunity. That was a fun

19:02

four minutes. It

19:05

really was an up and down

19:07

run for Brian Gudekins to start his drafting. And

19:12

the players that he hit, he hit monster,

19:16

monster. But

19:18

the 2021 draft, which is the

19:20

last draft we can fairly assess

19:24

because you need three years and

19:26

really you probably only need two. So we have a good

19:28

idea, the 2022 draft, like Zach Tom,

19:30

really good. We know that. We

19:35

have question marks on Sean Ryan, on Romeo Dobbs,

19:37

on Christian Watson, on Quay Walker, on Devontae Wyatt.

19:39

That's why it takes three years. This is a

19:41

pivot point year for that group too. I

19:45

think that group has the most to gain of

19:48

anyone as we head toward training camp. We're

19:50

going to talk about that to close the show. In

19:57

the first handful of seasons, this did not go great. And

19:59

one of the reasons why I bring this up is

20:02

first of all I wanted to highlight Eric Stokes, but

20:06

as much of a heater as I

20:08

think Brian Gudekind has been on, 22,

20:11

23 especially, it just

20:15

ebbs and flows. That's

20:17

just how it works. There is no

20:19

science and

20:23

you're going to have stretches where

20:26

you only hit on a couple of

20:28

guys. You only hit

20:30

on Jair Alexander, Rashawn Gary, Jordan

20:32

Love and Elton Jenkins, all

20:37

core players, mostly

20:39

premium positions and

20:41

we're talking about guys who are like pro bowl, all

20:44

pro cal... like Elton Jenkins is an all pro caliber

20:47

player. Jair Alexander is an all

20:49

pro caliber player. Rashawn Gary, pro

20:51

bowl caliber player I think in

20:54

this game has a chance to get in

20:56

that all pro conversation. Jordan Love has a chance to

20:59

get into that all pro conversation. If

21:01

you hit, you better hit big, but

21:04

in 2022, it's depth, it's all these other

21:06

guys, 2023, is

21:09

there a super duper star from the 2023 draft? We'll

21:14

see, but like Jaden Reed, Luke

21:16

Musgrave, Tucker Crafton, Tavian Wynn, Karl Brooks, Lucas

21:18

Van Ness, up and down the line, these

21:21

guys, it's like we know already they're good

21:23

NFL players. That's

21:25

crazy. We know

21:27

already they're good NFL players and

21:31

they can be even better. You have to have

21:33

both. You have to have the years where you

21:35

hit on at least one stud if you're not going

21:37

to get the depth and then you're going to have

21:39

to get lucky in a draft where

21:41

you do what Brian Gudakins did in 2023 and

21:44

like hit all of them, like all

21:46

of those guys. They're not just

21:48

starting the way that Ted Thompson guys used to

21:50

just start because he refused to add in free

21:53

agency. But we know Brian Gudakins will add in

21:55

free agency. They're all going to

21:57

start because they're good or they're going

21:59

to play meaningful roles. because they're good.

22:03

We don't even know who the best receiver on this team is. And

22:06

there are reasonable arguments for like four

22:08

guys. And

22:13

two of them were drafted in 2023. Two

22:16

more were drafted in 2022. You

22:22

have to have both.

22:27

Now, there are heavy

22:30

expectations for all

22:32

these players because there has to be, because they

22:34

need them to perform on cheap contracts. The

22:39

2022 class right now is

22:41

in the same position that Eric Stokes and Josh Myers

22:43

and those guys were in last year. The

22:46

Packers have decisions to make. And

22:50

if those players turn out to be good, they're

22:53

going to get contracts. That's

22:55

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22:59

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app. A

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lot of this is timing. And

25:55

so in a year, the

25:57

Packers have to decide on Daunte Wyatt and Clay

25:59

Walker's. Fifth year options In

26:04

a year It's

26:06

going to be time to start discussing Romeo

26:08

Dobbs and Christian Watson extensions

26:14

Same for Zach Tom What

26:18

is the future of Sean Ryan now remember The

26:21

first round guys they get the four-year contract

26:23

with the fifth year option everyone else. It's

26:25

four years and If

26:28

you're a core player You

26:31

are not going into year four of

26:33

a four-year deal, which

26:36

will be 2025 On

26:39

a lame duck year you are getting paid especially if you

26:41

are like not just a core

26:43

special team or if you're Christian Watson

26:46

you become one of the wide receiver one or

26:48

wide receiver two And

26:50

that becomes clear or if quay Walker takes a

26:52

step forward. He's gonna get Starting

26:55

linebacker money eventually they can just pick

26:57

up his fifth year option first But

27:00

all those decisions are coming. They

27:03

will be they will have been made by this time next

27:05

year We'll know if Sean

27:07

Ryan is part of the future in Green Bay We'll

27:11

know What the Packers

27:13

think of quay Walker and Devontae Wyatt are they?

27:16

foundational pieces for the Green Bay Packers Where

27:20

does Christian Watson and

27:22

Romeo Dobbs fit into the

27:25

Packers pecking order and hierarchy and

27:27

where does Zach Tom? Fit

27:33

into the NFL landscape as one

27:35

of the best offensive linemen in the league because He's

27:37

gonna want a lot of money and he's going to

27:39

deserve a lot of money Kingsley

27:42

and Ibarra a Rotational pass

27:44

rusher is someone gonna pay him to be

27:46

a starting pass rusher. I Think

27:49

he could do that. I think he'd be a good starter

27:51

on there are some teams right now today He could walk

27:54

into their rooms and upgrade their rooms as

27:56

the starter He's

27:58

like outside linebacker for the I'm

28:01

going to get the verbiage down

28:03

by the time we open. By

28:06

the time we open training camp. But

28:12

that means there's a lot on the line and a lot to gain.

28:15

A lot to gain. Yes, the

28:17

packers gained by those players doing well.

28:21

But in the case of the receivers, for example, they

28:23

have answers. In the

28:25

case of Kway Walker, they have answers.

28:28

In the case of Devontae Wyatt, you

28:30

know, Kenny Clark, Carl

28:32

Brooks, and it may be the case. The

28:35

Packers are waiting on Kenny Clark. Because

28:39

they want to see what Devontae Wyatt has. And if

28:41

in the first six, eight games, he's

28:44

not doing much. Maybe

28:47

they'll cut the check then. Now, it seems like Vontae Wyatt's not even

28:49

going to be a starter. So I don't even know what we're talking

28:51

about here. Just pay Kenny Clark. I still

28:53

don't know why we're waiting on this. It's probably

28:55

the Jordan Love thing. You want to get it done. Know

28:58

what the cap looks like. OK, boom. Here

29:00

comes the Kenny Clark extension.

29:05

But then that makes the decision on Devontae Wyatt really interesting

29:07

because you have to pay him. That.

29:13

Starter level money that comes with the fifth

29:15

year option. To

29:18

maybe not be a starter. And if

29:20

you want the space heater with

29:22

T.J. Slayton next to Kenny Clark, Ken

29:25

Devontae Wyatt and Kenny Clark play together. And if you're

29:27

going to extend Kenny Clark, then why

29:29

would you use the fifth year option on Devontae

29:31

Wyatt if he's a backup? Like that doesn't make

29:34

any sense. So there's a

29:36

there's a lot of the line here financially for these

29:38

guys, too. But

29:40

it's it's about the future of the

29:42

team as well. The Packers have decisions to make.

29:44

And so they're going to have to learn a

29:46

lot about these guys in, you know, 17 games

29:49

is not a lot of time. I understand you're hoping that it's

29:51

1920 games, right? But.

29:55

You never know what you're going to get. And

29:57

so these guys, Christian, why don't

30:00

you? can make a boatload of money. If he's

30:02

the number one option in this offense, I've

30:04

said it before, I'll say it again, they can be the best

30:06

team in the league offensively.

30:10

They can be, and I think he

30:12

has the talent to be one

30:14

of the best receivers in the league. Those

30:16

guys make $30 million a year. Maybe

30:19

the Packers don't wanna pay that, but if

30:23

he's that good, you gotta do it. So

30:26

there's a lot to

30:28

be gained from those guys this year. They

30:34

might look at it as a lot to prove, and

30:37

that is true to a point as well, but

30:39

there's a lot to gain here too. All

30:43

right, we are a little bit of

30:45

a modified schedule this week with the fourth, but we

30:47

are gonna have shows, at

30:49

least I think four shows this week. The

30:52

last one will come out on the fourth, listen

30:54

to it over the course of the weekend if you want, but

30:56

we're still gonna be here the rest of the week. We'll

31:00

be a little bit lighter next week because I will be with

31:03

family, so it's

31:06

July. It's July, we

31:08

made it to training camp month, but it's

31:10

three weeks away, and I don't want

31:12

this show to be homework when everyone should be enjoying

31:15

their summers too. So back

31:17

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