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Chrysalis for details. Hello

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everyone and welcome to another episode of Lords of Limited.

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My name is Ben Warning and joining me on the

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line, as always, Mr. Ethan Riven Chrysalis Sax.

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It's the purple man in the room Ethan, we gotta talk about it.

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I know, I know. It's

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what everyone wants to be. Men

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want to be him, women want to be

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with him. Like, no. I don't know

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what to tell you. It's

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the card to end all cards. very

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good and eminently

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splashable. Anyway, but oh,

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go ahead. Sorry. I just can't

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with the performing well. Yes, it's great when you

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cast it, but I feel like people

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open 17 lands and see that

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it's the third best card and are like,

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oh my God, you have

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to pick this card over everything. And it's not

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that. It's exactly the type of card that's going

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to have great data because you can't mess it

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up like you just asked it and it's excellent.

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So, yeah, right. So a couple takes. So the

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thing that are lax said that I thought was

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interesting just about like, well, how you know, people

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complaining about how can like play design missus or

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whatever. It's like, well, they're not playing

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in best of one pods and best of

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one can never really be self-correcting because the

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player base is too big and too shallowly

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invested. And so like, if that's

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where you're playing and that is totally fine.

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And Ben has been playing in best of

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one exclusively this week exclusively this week. And

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I have not. I'm playing best of three. I've

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been doing sealed prep. I played in our CQ

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yesterday. No spoilers. We'll post that recap

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up on YouTube later this week. But

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we have some different perspectives probably of

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the format based on that experience.

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But like it's

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if that's your only way to play magic and

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that is most of how I assume our listeners

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play magic is best of one on arena. Like

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you're going to have a like that's just part

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of what you're signing up for is like this

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skewed thing where people are going to have these

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like three, four chrysalis decks or whatever.

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And if that's how you're engaging with the game,

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that's sort of what you're signing up for. The

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thing that I thought was really interesting was Jason

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Ye posted. It's really funny

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to me the contrast between seeing online

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discourse about chrysalis being unbeatable and

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my own experience kind of just not

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caring about it. It's simply

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the easiest synergy card to make work in

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a synergy set. Very good power to

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effort ratio. But you can do just as good

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or better with other synergies too. And Jason's been

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a huge proponent of the card essence reliquary, which

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I haven't had a chance to play with myself,

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but I'm excited to do so. That's the two

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in a white artifact that lets you tap. and

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return something and all of the aura is attached

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to it, to your hand. It's something you

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control, you return it to your hand. And

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so I saw that and I

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first of all, I was like, where's Ben's massive

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retweet of this? But secondly, I just thought like,

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that seems like a much more, I mean,

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I think Jason sort of swinging the

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pendulum, the hyperbolic pendulum discourse in the

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opposite direction. But I think that

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it's a pretty measured take in my mind.

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That's how I feel about it. I mean, if we're

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doing Rydin Crystal's chat right now, which we might as

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well, might as well as deep into it. I

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feel like that it's

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going, it's a great card, like very good card and

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you should be trying to play it and put it

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in your deck. I hesitate to

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go down so far as to go splashing

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it in non-Eldrazi decks. Like certainly you want

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to splash it in the Teamer range and

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the Jund range, I think, or it's two

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best homes for splashes. But

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it's exactly the type of card that

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Data is going to love because it's

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very efficient stats. That's very easy to

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play with correctly on the

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battlefield in what is, I

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would argue, a very complex

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and skill testing and skill

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rewarding draft set

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and gameplay set. And

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I think there's so much

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more to do. And I've

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already drafted decks this way and played against decks

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that are this way that are very cool. Like

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there's just so much more to do in the format

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than writhing chrysalis. Like

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I would argue that

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you should be aiming for a

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higher ceiling for your

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deck building than cast

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writhing chrysalis profit. Now, the

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dream curve of like two

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drop ramper into chrysalis into some

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seven drop Eldrazi, like that's really tough to beat,

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but you have to have a very, you have

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to have gotten multiple writhing chrysalis for that to

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work, multiple of the two drop

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rampers. You can't really pick the two drop

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rampers that aggressively until you get the chrysalis.

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And then you also have to have the hand that has the

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next thing to curve into or curve into. Welcome

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to another round of drawing board

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or Miro board. Today we talk

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brainstorm with UX designer Brian. Let's

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go. First question, you thought you'd

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see everyone's idea in the team brainstorm

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but you've got a grand total of...