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match America's freak. Jeff Jackson goes the

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running for reelection to the North Carolina Supreme Court.

23:55

Meanwhile I can't even run for the bus. Well

23:57

I can but. Please

24:01

pound your gavels for the incredible Judge Allison Riggs.

24:08

Hi, thanks for being here. Right

24:12

in the middle. Justice

24:20

Riggs. John. Do

24:23

you mind if I call you Justice Riggs? Yeah, you can call

24:25

me whatever. Lady in orange. But

24:31

throw away a few. Now, you're

24:34

a defender of reproductive rights. Leading

24:42

with the kind of hardball questions I'm famous for. You

24:46

must be exhausted. It's

24:48

a challenge, for sure. But just so

24:51

you know, Congressman Jackson

24:53

and I debated our opponents this

24:55

morning, so we're really ready

24:57

for tough conversations with you right

24:59

now. You debated your opponent this

25:01

morning? This morning. Wow. Did

25:03

you win? The

25:06

Congressman thought so. All

25:15

right, Jackson. You'll have your turn.

25:17

You'll get plenty of attention. Unbelievable.

25:21

But yes, my arms are tired.

25:25

Can you talk a little bit about the stakes

25:28

just in this race,

25:31

given that you have such a kind

25:34

of tilted Supreme Court right now that has gone

25:36

so far to the kind of rightward extreme? Yeah,

25:39

well, we've got two problems. One

25:41

is that there are five Republicans and

25:44

two Democrats on our North Carolina Supreme

25:46

Court, and that's not going to change

25:48

until 2028. But

25:51

we're also facing a new

25:54

world in this country where the U.S.

25:56

Supreme Court is rolling back rights and,

25:58

quote on the screen, quote, sending things

26:01

back to the states, which

26:03

means that ultimately when unconstitutional

26:06

laws or laws that are being

26:08

challenged are challenged,

26:11

the last stop is the state

26:13

Supreme Court. So you

26:15

all know Monday is the two-year

26:17

anniversary of Dobbs when we lost

26:19

Roe v. Wade. We

26:23

are the last bulwark against

26:25

attacks on the ability of

26:27

women like me to

26:29

make choices about our own bodies. And

26:35

just to get a little bit more granular, would

26:37

you fly a stop the steel flag

26:39

outside your personal residence and

26:42

your beach house or just one? I would

26:46

neither fly it nor blame my husband

26:48

for it. Follow-up.

26:56

If a billionaire offered to fly you and

26:58

your spouse across the world for even one

27:00

lavish vacation, let alone many lavish vacations, what

27:02

would be your response? I

27:05

would tell my husband no. When

27:08

I was appointed he had some questions.

27:10

When I made him spend hours and

27:12

hours filling out detailed ethics disclosures, he

27:15

said, I don't think Ginny Thomas needs

27:17

to do this. So...

27:21

Well if Ginny Thomas jumped off a bridge, would you

27:23

jump off a bridge? Just

27:26

because Ginny Thomas is doing it doesn't

27:28

mean it's acceptable. It's actually almost certainly

27:30

the opposite. So

27:36

the Supreme Court, eight

27:39

to one, upheld a ban on allowing

27:41

domestic abusers with restraining orders to buy

27:43

guns. But even here you had Clarence

27:45

Thomas dissenting. He has

27:47

been consistently pointing to a pretty terrifying

27:50

and extreme vision for what he would

27:52

like to see constitutional interpretation to mean.

27:54

And we see it here in North

27:56

Carolina. I see it at the federal

27:59

level this extreme ideology that Albin goes

28:01

hand in hand with a kind of

28:03

tolerance for corruption and

28:05

a kind of a belief that there don't

28:08

need to be held accountable. Can

28:10

you just talk a bit about that relationship

28:12

between kind of anti-democratic

28:15

extreme policies and corruption,

28:17

whether at the state or at the

28:19

federal level? Yeah, I think

28:22

there's a far right

28:24

wing judicial philosophy, originalism,

28:28

that allows someone

28:31

who espouses that philosophy to

28:33

discount the humanity of other

28:35

people. And this isn't

28:37

a surprise, we know where this

28:39

is going. Justice Thomas has forecast

28:42

that originalism would push him in

28:45

addition to allowing domestic abusers

28:48

easy access to guns, would

28:50

also lead him to

28:53

roll back rights to contraception, to

28:56

marriage equality, and I

28:58

think ultimately the overlap is a

29:00

lack of accountability. So

29:02

when I started campaigning, I

29:05

realized really quickly that

29:07

part of the problem is

29:09

that people think judges are

29:11

untouchable, and some of

29:13

that's by design, right? We want an

29:16

independent judiciary that's the least political branch,

29:19

but the flip side to that is wizard

29:21

of Oz, this is a problem. If

29:24

you pull the curtain and

29:26

no one gets to hold you

29:29

accountable and see what you're doing,

29:31

particularly when you're rolling back some

29:33

other person's rights, it's

29:35

a power trip, it feeds a

29:37

lack of accountability, and it makes

29:39

it hard for the citizens, the

29:41

civically engaged people who are here

29:43

in this room to make

29:45

the change they wanna see in this country. McCall.

29:49

e Justice

29:59

Riggs. Like you

30:01

see right now a lot of cynicism around politics.

30:04

There are people that wanted Joe Biden to do

30:06

more. And sometimes Joe Biden has

30:08

stopped because of actions by the court.

30:11

I think the court, for all the reasons

30:13

we talked about, can feel removed from people.

30:16

And they don't totally understand how it affects

30:18

their day-to-day lives. You've talked a bit about how

30:20

your life experience is important while you're on

30:22

the court. Can you just talk a little

30:24

bit about that and why

30:26

people should care about this race? So

30:29

I grew up in West Virginia, in

30:31

these mountains, just

30:34

up the road. I grew up

30:36

with around folks who felt

30:38

like the system hadn't served them,

30:40

had left them behind, and had

30:43

real specific needs. And

30:45

it's true that sometimes elected

30:48

officials can't meet all of

30:50

those needs in a moment.

30:52

Maybe it's a recalcitrant Congress,

30:54

or maybe it's the structural

30:56

limitations of the court. But

30:58

what I don't accept, so

31:01

yes, in politics, we're not going to make

31:03

everyone happy all the time. And we may

31:05

not be able to wave a magic wand

31:08

and solve everyone's problems. But you know what

31:10

we can't do is give up on

31:13

the responsibility to listen, to explain,

31:16

and to talk. So

31:18

I go all over this

31:20

state to festivals, just

31:22

where people are, and ask them, what

31:24

do they think about the courts? And

31:28

sometimes I get a really detailed

31:30

answer that has a great solution,

31:32

that I can propose a great

31:35

solution. And sometimes it's like, well,

31:37

dang, everyone I know just gets locked up

31:39

when they go in there. And

31:42

so you have to validate that

31:44

experience if you ever want to

31:46

build some trust or some faith.

31:49

And there's a little education, too. I mean,

31:51

there is an

31:54

issue around public funding

31:56

of public schools. I

31:59

won't talk about it. because there's a case in front

32:01

of me, but I think we

32:03

need to do some civics education as well

32:05

and explain to folks. And explain to folks, yes,

32:14

there is a criminal justice

32:16

system that has racial bias baked into it

32:18

and we have a lot of work to

32:20

do on that. We

32:22

need to examine systems of reparative

32:25

and restorative justice rather

32:27

than just punitive. But,

32:32

you know, when you have a loved one who

32:34

gets hurt in an accident, when you have a

32:36

loved one who gets hurt in the workplace, that

32:38

court can also be a place where you go

32:41

to be made whole. And

32:43

so until we start talking about and

32:46

showing people and being willing to

32:48

be in authentic relationship about how

32:50

government should work, not just how

32:52

it does work, but paid division,

32:55

we're gonna be voting against a

32:57

lot of things, I think,

32:59

in November. There are some

33:01

things to vote for too. And

33:04

I am... I am excited about what this state can be. It

33:14

can be restored to be the progressive beacon

33:16

in the South and I know that we

33:18

can do it together. Justice

33:21

Allison Riggs, thank you so much. That

33:23

was great, thank you very much. We

33:27

come back. T.S.

33:29

Madison and I get our freak on. And

33:33

we're back. Please

33:42

welcome to the stage the remarkable, the

33:45

extraordinary, the singular T.S. Madison. Hello,

33:49

what's going on? Hello, hello.

33:51

Ooh, ooh, ooh. Oh

33:56

my God. We're back. Baby,

33:58

it's falling here tonight. The nights on love

34:00

it. It's Friday baby. Listen ladies and gentlemen, do you

34:02

love it or do you leave it? Love

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it. They love it, right? They love it.

34:09

They love it. They love it. Oh my goodness. I

34:12

was having some of your good potato chips in the bag back there.

34:16

So what's new? My hair. Ooh.

34:19

Looks nice. It looks nice. Thank you.

34:23

Have you been letting your freak flag fly this

34:25

pride? I'm always going to

34:27

let my flag fly free. That

34:31

was a tongue twister. Flag

34:35

fly free. You

34:37

know I'm from the South, so you know there

34:39

are things that twist my tongue up so bad

34:41

when I'm trying to say it. Flag fly free.

34:48

That's called the triple F's. That's

34:51

exactly what it's called. How

34:54

do I let my freak flag fly

34:56

more effectively? Now

35:02

you set me up for this, not Jesus. The

35:06

way that you can let your flag fly

35:08

free. More

35:11

effectively. Well free fly a flag. It's

35:14

just I think that you should have the ability to do

35:16

whatever you want to do whenever you want to do it.

35:18

Within reason. Within reason.

35:20

Within reason. Not hurting anybody.

35:23

You should

35:26

be able to do what you'd like to do within

35:28

reason. As long as you're not killing anybody, as long

35:30

as you're not hurting anyone, as long as you

35:33

do it in the comfort of wherever your good space

35:35

is, you should be able to let your flag. Your

35:40

flag. Your

35:44

flag fly free. Your flag fly free.

35:49

I have a pitch. So in

35:52

Louisiana, they're hanging up the 10 commandments

35:55

in every classroom. And

35:58

I feel like. I

36:00

feel like we need to take the Ten Commandments back.

36:03

And I think the Ten Commandments should be put

36:06

up in every gay bar. In

36:10

every... The

36:13

faggier the space, the bigger the poster.

36:16

Wow. We put that thing up everywhere

36:18

we could think of it. You should see

36:20

the Pride flag and

36:22

the Ten Commandments. Together, yes. Side

36:25

by side. Together. Everywhere. Yes. Everywhere.

36:29

And it needs to say, God

36:31

loves flags. And because God loves

36:34

flags. There's...

36:39

There's... Wait, hold on. There's the picture right here.

36:42

Hold on. There's... I

36:45

look, I have, you know, I don't remember all ten

36:47

off the top of my head. Thou shalt not steal.

36:49

Thou shalt not kill. Yep, that's two. Thou

36:52

shalt not take your neighbor's wife in vain.

36:54

Yep, that's... I think that was a

36:56

two for one. That

36:59

was pretty close. That

37:01

was pretty close. But to my

37:04

Rebecca-election, none of them are specifically

37:06

anti-gay. None of them. So

37:08

let's throw them up there. I

37:11

want to say this. I want to say this. Let me tell you

37:13

something. Any time that I get into

37:15

a debate with people who talk to me about the

37:17

Levitical law, I always tell

37:19

them, sweetie, there's no way that

37:22

you can tell me that anything that God told

37:24

you, because when you go down there to Red

37:26

Lobster and eat all that endless shrimp and crabs,

37:29

right after church, did you forget to part,

37:31

honey, where it said that eating shellfish was

37:33

an abomination? If

37:38

you have not took on the Mosaic

37:40

law and talked about how thou shalt

37:42

not lie, what are we doing on

37:44

our taxes this season? Yeah,

37:51

sure it was. A business dinner. Yeah,

37:53

they're all business dinners, aren't

37:56

they? A lot of

37:58

business dinners on those fucking... tax is a

38:00

lot of did. Oh, yeah, it's a home

38:02

office. And

38:06

you're all masturbating. Oh,

38:10

honey. And they're all masturbating in there. Wait,

38:12

they're masturbating? Not right now, but I'm just

38:14

saying. I always tell people

38:16

this. I said, listen, if you're going to

38:19

go by anything biblical, the

38:21

only thing that God himself, according to the

38:23

book, wrote was

38:26

the Ten Commandments. God,

38:28

if we're going to go by the

38:30

book, because God took his big finger

38:35

and wrote on those rocks on Mount

38:37

Sinai. And Moses

38:39

came down and brought the law from

38:42

what God wrote with his big finger. Everything

38:44

else. See, I said finger because I'm from

38:46

the South. Everything

38:48

else that was written was written by

38:50

man. But God wrote. He

38:54

right. Come on. God wrote,

38:56

though he wrote on those tablets. So

38:59

I tell a motherfucker, don't you say a goddamn

39:01

thing to me about what God said? Because he

39:03

wrote that shit on the big rocks and not

39:06

those little ones. And

39:13

I thank you. That

39:15

was lovely. That

39:18

was lovely. And that's

39:20

why at the manhole

39:22

for putting up the Ten Commandments.

39:26

That's why I want to see it on

39:28

the wall at every gay bar in West

39:30

Hollywood. Pride flag, Ten Commandments,

39:33

pride flag, Ten Commandments. And then

39:36

then I'll be like, hey, why'd they put that gay

39:38

stuff up in all those Louisiana schools? Just

39:44

an idea. It's just an idea. I don't

39:46

know. I'm just it came to

39:48

me while we were here. It's just a pitch.

39:50

It's just a pitch. The Ten Commandments already had

39:52

a brand. It might be hard to rebrand it

39:54

as gay stuff. I'm just that's you know, it's

39:56

been around a long time. Like those people on

39:58

TikTok that are like like this video. to make

40:00

Jesus famous and it's like, baby, Jesus

40:03

is famous. Anyway,

40:06

the news has been filled with freaks recently. Wait,

40:10

you said F-R-E-A-K? F-R-E-A-K-S. Freaks.

40:12

Freaks. Oh, okay. The

40:16

sexy kind and the walking nightmare kind. Oh, okay.

40:18

And so we're gonna talk about them. So

40:22

you from the South too. In

40:27

terms of my eating habits, yes. I'll

40:31

have a moment where I'll realize, I'll just like count

40:34

backwards. I was like, hey John, when's

40:36

the last time you had a vegetable? In

40:41

a game we're calling, wait a minute, so you don't

40:44

get your vegetables when you in the South? Well,

40:46

I just, honey, cause we eat collard greens

40:48

down here, baby. No, and look, I

40:50

don't wanna get it. I

40:53

didn't wanna start something that I couldn't

40:55

finish. But the thing is, like, I

41:00

will get collard greens, but it

41:03

doesn't feel like a vegetable. It

41:05

just feels as though we've just, it's a

41:07

vegetable technically, but it just seems like it's

41:10

been put through a lot. With

41:12

a lot of, you know, it's just like,

41:14

okay, you take the collard green and it starts

41:16

out. It's a vegetable, 100%. But

41:18

then once it goes through the machinery of

41:21

the American South, when it

41:23

comes to the other side, there's bacon

41:26

in there, there's fat in there. Yes,

41:28

very salty. Yes, God, yes. Sometimes

41:31

it's just, you don't know what, there's just chunks

41:33

of stuff. Yes. And you eat it

41:35

all, honey. And I like it. Yes. I

41:37

like it. But I don't think it's what Michelle Obama

41:39

was talking about. Um. You

41:42

know, it wasn't. It

41:44

wasn't. This

41:49

time for a game we're going, freak for yourself. It's

41:53

all right. Yeah. Wait

41:56

a minute, I haven't been that fine since, uh.

42:00

Ninety... What

42:04

a year it was. Friend

42:09

of the show. Did you think I said 69? I

42:11

said 99. No, I heard, I thought I heard 99. I

42:14

mean, I thought I heard 99. Friend

42:17

of the show, George Sanchez, popped back up this

42:19

week. Just

42:21

in time for the launch. He

42:26

launched something. What did he launch? Um...

42:33

Was something launched at him? No,

42:36

something was launched by him at all of

42:38

us. What was it?

42:40

What was it? Tell me so that we can

42:42

talk about it. It was an OnlyFans. Oh! Oh!

42:50

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42:53

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42:57

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42:59

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43:01

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43:03

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43:06

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43:08

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43:10

he working on? I know, listen, according to

43:12

those lips, he's working on something on OnlyFans,

43:14

honey. Do you see

43:16

those lips? Can we put that picture back? Do you see

43:18

those lips? He's

43:22

working on something behind the

43:24

scenes on OnlyFans. I

43:30

realized something, which is, I don't

43:33

care about the surrounding context.

43:36

Without exception, I love a glow up. It

43:38

doesn't matter who it is, it doesn't matter how

43:40

they got it, I'm in. You win it. I

43:42

love a glow up. Every goddamn time. I don't

43:45

care how bad they are, I don't care if

43:47

they use stolen funding from

43:49

an election fraud to get filler, I'm

43:51

in. So

43:53

that includes Lionel, your Texas too? Glow

43:56

up. Glow up. Also

43:58

this week, RFK Jr. A

44:01

candidate for president and a man who says a worm

44:03

ate part of his brain was

44:05

profound by the New York Times about his two

44:08

pet ravens. What is not an additional pet owned

44:10

by RFK Jr.? A snake.

44:13

Well, your options are... Toby

44:17

and... A, Toby an Emu, B,

44:19

Lucy a blind anaconda, C, Caruthers

44:21

a late turtle RFK Jr. stuffed

44:23

to put in his office, or

44:25

D, Ronan a dog that killed

44:28

an Emu and a turtle but somehow not

44:30

the Emu and turtle mentioned in this quiz.

44:32

B, an anaconda. Yes, that is the only

44:34

fake one. That

44:39

is correct. I

44:41

told... It was a snake. Listen, when you

44:43

look, can I see the picture? Right?

44:46

Because when you see a person like this, you know that...

44:50

Look at those crows and stuff back there. A

44:55

snake. Look at those. There's just something.

45:00

There's something about those eyes. They just... When

45:04

they've got crazy in the eyes, you can't hide it.

45:06

You can't hide crazy in the eyes. The

45:08

eyes always reveal the crazy. It's right there. You can

45:10

just look at the eyes. You can smile,

45:12

you can frown, you can try to go still with the eyes. But

45:15

the eyes are the windows to the soul. That's

45:17

right. Yes. That's right. That's why I

45:19

said a snake. In

45:23

the piece, RFK Jr. feeds his pet ravens, which

45:26

he started to try to train with a few months ago,

45:29

after seeing them in the trees near his L.A. home.

45:31

According to the piece, what does he feed the ravens

45:33

out of? Is it, A,

45:35

a colander, B, his own mouth, C,

45:38

a briefcase, or D, a

45:40

greasy sack of meat? Oh,

45:43

I would say a briefcase. It's, in

45:45

fact, a greasy sack of meat. He

45:48

feeds them out of a greasy sack of meat? He

45:51

has a sack of meat to feed

45:54

the wild birds who land on

45:56

his windowsill. What's

45:58

in the sack of meat? Meat. It's meat.

46:03

It's meat. There's

46:09

meat in that greasy sack of meat. Normani,

46:14

star of the upcoming film, Freaky

46:16

Tales, alongside Tom Hanks and

46:18

Pedro Pascal, dropped her new album

46:20

this week. What is the

46:22

name of that album? Oh God.

46:24

Is it A, serotonin, B, dopamine,

46:26

C, endorphin, or D, norepinephrine? It's

46:28

B, dopamine. It's B,

46:31

dopamine. Yeah. Yeah. Now,

46:34

I do think that Normani

46:37

is a, she's in the Beyonce

46:39

era area. Mm-hmm.

46:43

But Beyonce is in a Michael

46:45

Jackson area. And finally,

46:48

when told by a reporter that she was

46:50

very brave to appear on a nude scene,

46:52

actor Nicola Coughlin said she was very proud

46:54

to do it as a member of what

46:57

community? What community

46:59

was she proud to be

47:01

a representative of when she was nude

47:03

on the show Bridgerton? Non-binary?

47:07

Incorrect. The answer

47:10

is the perfect breast community. Oh.

47:12

Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh.

47:14

Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh.

47:17

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47:19

Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh.

47:21

Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh.

47:23

Oh. Oh. Oh. Well,

47:26

let's roll the clip. Let's see.

47:28

You know, it is hard, because I think women

47:31

with, like, body tied, women with perfect breasts don't

47:33

look at me. Well,

47:38

can she do this? I

47:41

mean, who can? Few can. The

47:44

few and the proud. Yes, right. I am the

47:46

few and the proud. And

47:48

that's why I let my flag fly

47:51

free. TS

47:53

Madison, where can people find you? Where do you want

47:55

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47:57

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48:00

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And we're back! Republicans

50:42

are so scared of our next guest, they tried

50:44

a gerrymander amount of existence, but you can't gerrymander

50:46

a statewide race. Please welcome your next attorney general,

50:49

Congressman Jeff Jackson. Good

50:54

to see you. Hey! Hey,

50:57

love you. Hello,

51:06

Congressman. Hi. You

51:09

were gerrymandered out of a house seat. True.

51:11

That's got a sting. Saw

51:14

it coming. Hey,

51:16

remember when we went canvassing together and I made fun of

51:19

an ugly house and you said that video wouldn't be useful?

51:26

Some backstory. Our

51:30

campaign gets a call when I'm running for Congress. John

51:32

Lovett would like to come and knock doors with you.

51:35

That's a big deal for us. All right. That's a

51:37

big get. I'm

51:40

being schmoozed. And it fell out of the sky.

51:42

I'm being charmed. I didn't have to DM him

51:44

or anything. They called us. I slid into his

51:46

DMs. So

51:49

the day arrives and

51:51

John arrives and he walks into the congressional campaign office

51:53

and I shake his hand and meet him for the

51:55

first time. John, it's so nice to meet you. He

51:57

goes, great. What city is this? I

52:00

said, welcome to Charlotte. We're

52:08

so happy to have you. And he

52:10

looked at his staff like, is this where we're supposed

52:12

to be? And they're like, yes. That's not how. You're

52:14

at the right place. This is staging a deeply inaccurate

52:16

portrait. This sucks. You're

52:19

a guest. I introduced myself as the candidate.

52:23

And he said, are we gonna do this thing? I said, yes we are. He

52:25

said, do you have a street picked out? I said, yes we do. I took

52:27

him to one of our really, the

52:29

core target areas where we were really trying

52:32

to work on turnout. And we

52:34

spent an hour and a half knocking doors

52:37

together. And I would describe him and his

52:39

contribution as net

52:41

positive. Ooh. Man,

52:47

I've been waiting a year and a half to talk about this. All

52:49

right. Here's

52:52

what it's like when he's not on

52:54

stage. I

52:56

am the same. We're

52:58

walking down. This show is net positive. First

53:03

of all, we met a lot of

53:05

very nice people. Constituents, prospective constituents, walking

53:07

their dogs on the sidewalk. He spoke

53:10

to zero people and every dog. We

53:21

started knocking on doors and he did

53:24

his insult comic routine. This

53:27

is unbelievable. Did not, did

53:30

not endear himself to 100% of the electorate. There

53:35

were some senior citizens who didn't know him and

53:39

just thought I had the most abrasive volunteer.

53:45

There were a couple of people who did know him. And

53:48

so that started well until he gave

53:52

his very frank assessment of the architectural style

53:54

of their home. And

53:58

then asked them a series of. I have

54:00

pointed questions about, do you think the neighbors are okay

54:02

with what you've done with this? The

54:07

use of the phrase McMansion was peppered

54:09

through some of this. And

54:14

when we won, the first text message I got

54:16

from him, he said, you're welcome. So

54:19

there you go.

54:29

So obviously we have a big election coming up. And

54:34

I guess you want to be attorney general or some fuck. I

54:39

don't know, I'm hearing good things about Dan Bishop. Hey,

54:48

welcome. Good to see you. It's good to

54:50

see you. So you're running for attorney general.

54:54

And I think a lot of people maybe get a

54:56

lot of national news. They even

54:58

know how important a governor's race

55:00

is. Can you just, just for people listening who

55:02

maybe don't know or are going to be knocking

55:04

on doors, if you

55:06

had to say to people, here's why the attorney

55:08

general matters, what's the answer? Here's why

55:11

the attorney general matters. Our

55:13

state code has 25 pages of

55:15

law that goes over all the things the

55:17

attorney general is supposed to do. But really,

55:19

the attorney general is supposed to be a

55:21

shield to make sure you're not getting kicked

55:23

around. That's the purpose of the attorney general.

55:30

And we know, because we know our state legislature very well,

55:32

they're going to try and kick you around when it comes

55:34

to voting rights. They're going to try and kick you around

55:36

when it comes to reproductive rights. And it's going to be

55:38

my job to stand up to them and defend your rights.

55:50

And you know what else was annoying about canvassing with this man? He

55:55

never would ask anyone for their vote. He'd like

55:58

knock on the door and they'd be like, high,

56:01

I'm your Congress person and I'm

56:04

here to see if you need anything. And

56:08

then they'd say, oh thanks, and you know I have this issue

56:10

or that issue, and you'd say, oh thanks for telling me, have

56:12

such a great day. Close

56:16

the fucking deal. I've

56:22

run for office a handful of times. I

56:25

don't ask for people's vote. I ask for the

56:27

opportunity to earn your vote. And I think if

56:29

you give me that, that's a fair trait. That's

56:36

what he said then too. And

56:43

I didn't make fun of the McMansion to the

56:45

McMansion owners. Sure did. Sure

56:48

did. 100% did. I

56:50

don't remember that. I

56:52

feel like I did it the respectful way behind their banks.

56:55

Real time fact checking. And

56:58

also, I mean it just was a fucking eyesore

57:00

in the middle of that goddamn neighborhood. See? It

57:04

was a year and a half ago, he still remembers. And

57:07

look, the thing is, he wasn't wrong. Too big

57:09

for the plot. It was too big

57:11

for the plot. I don't like it when the houses are

57:13

too big for the plot. Have some taste. What haven't

57:15

it taste? Now

57:19

aesthetically he was right. Politically he was

57:21

wrong. That's all. I think some

57:23

things are more important than politics. We disagree on that. So

57:29

your opponent, serious

57:31

topic. Back

57:34

to serious. Show some respect. Your

57:38

opponent recently compared Donald Trump's Hushmanate trial

57:40

to a trial of a black person

57:43

and what they would face in the Jim Crow South. I

57:46

feel like that's cool vibes for a person

57:48

running to oversee the laws when

57:51

you say. What he said was

57:53

that the former president was treated

57:55

as badly as a black person would have been

57:58

treated in Alabama in the 1950s. 50s.

58:02

So don't go to him for your African-American history.

58:05

But look, that just scratches the surface with this guy.

58:08

He said, we have a gangster

58:10

government and a reckoning is coming. Obviously

58:13

he voted to decertify the last election and said that

58:15

it was rigged. Said that his election was rigged even

58:17

though he won. First

58:21

two endorsements out of

58:23

Congress were Warren Boebert and

58:25

Matt Gaetz. You and

58:28

North Carolina, we all actually hold

58:30

the Attorney General in very high

58:32

regard because we have a history

58:34

of seeing good performance from that

58:36

position. We have high expectations for

58:38

that position in particular. We've never

58:40

had a political extremist in that position. You have

58:43

one political extremist out of 435. That's one thing.

58:45

Attorney General is one-on-one.

58:48

And if we have a political extremist in that

58:50

role, it will be a disaster for the state

58:52

like it was when he wrote HB2 the bathroom

58:54

bill and cost our state $4 billion, thousands

58:56

of jobs and took our reputation years to

58:59

recover from the damage that he did. So

59:08

as Republicans have grown more extreme, they've

59:10

not only tried to manipulate the districts

59:12

to avoid accountability, but also to try

59:14

to fight against corruption and transparency laws.

59:17

What role does the Attorney General play in

59:20

making sure that even as a Republican

59:22

legislature tries to block transparency, try

59:24

to block laws to protect against

59:26

corruption, to make sure that the

59:30

people of the state can trust that the people

59:32

they send to work for them are

59:34

working for them? The Attorney

59:36

General is supposed to be a nonpartisan

59:38

job, really. The way you execute that job

59:40

is supposed to be an independent voice. You're

59:43

there to represent people, not a party.

59:45

It can't be used as an instrument for

59:47

culture war. It can't be used as an

59:49

instrument for political anger. The only way that

59:52

people develop trust in this position is if

59:54

they see it being used in a

59:56

way that's even-handed, in a way that's just

59:58

about doing the work. So we have a

1:00:00

big fentanyl crisis in this state. We lose

1:00:02

nine people a day. The Attorney General can

1:00:05

play a very important role both

1:00:07

on the supply side, identifying the distribution cells

1:00:09

that operate within our state and breaking them

1:00:11

apart. And on the demand side,

1:00:14

the gold standard for treating addiction is

1:00:16

medicated assisted treatment. People

1:00:18

aren't using ... People

1:00:23

aren't using fentanyl to get high. They

1:00:26

haven't gotten high in a long time. They're using

1:00:28

it to stave off withdrawal. The way you treat

1:00:30

addiction is medicated assisted treatment to get them through

1:00:32

that withdrawal. That's the type of thing your Attorney

1:00:34

General should be talking about. Now

1:00:41

Bishop was, as you said, someone who led

1:00:43

the charge on HB2, a law

1:00:47

to make transgender people hold it until they get home.

1:00:52

That law was later struck down. What

1:00:56

does that tell you about ... What would that mean for the kind

1:00:58

of Attorney General he would be? The

1:01:00

Attorney General is supposed to be a shield to defend

1:01:02

you. I think the way he

1:01:04

sees it is as a sword to use against

1:01:07

some of you. We've never

1:01:09

had that before. To have

1:01:11

our top law enforcement officer think

1:01:13

in aggressive terms against major communities

1:01:15

within our state, that's an experiment

1:01:17

we've never run before. They're running

1:01:19

that experiment in a place like

1:01:21

Texas where they have Ken Paxton.

1:01:23

He regards Ken Paxton as the

1:01:25

model for who he wants to

1:01:27

emulate in our state. That is

1:01:29

not our history at all. All

1:01:35

right. Before we let

1:01:37

you go, in 2015 when you were a member of the North Carolina Senate,

1:01:39

you made headlines by being the only legislator

1:01:41

to show up for work during a particularly bad

1:01:44

snowstorm. We like this story. Because

1:01:49

it confirms that you're a huge nerd, you

1:01:51

know. But

1:01:54

also it shows, you know, it seems like

1:01:56

you have some good qualities. People

1:01:58

tell me, I don't see them. So

1:02:02

it's time for a game we're calling, Is There a Mountain

1:02:04

High Enough? I'm

1:02:11

going to give you a difficult scenario, and

1:02:13

you're going to tell me what you would do. Are you

1:02:15

ready? I

1:02:17

own those shorts. Just... I

1:02:23

have that whole outfit. I

1:02:26

actually think it looks great on me. I

1:02:29

mean, Photoshop is solid. I could give you a real picture,

1:02:31

though. First

1:02:33

scenario, there's a terrible snowstorm. And

1:02:36

who pulls up in a snowmobile? It's Mark Robinson.

1:02:39

And he'll take you to work, but only if you

1:02:41

say one nice thing about him. Is

1:02:44

he recording it? You don't know. Do

1:02:47

you do it? Walking

1:02:50

to work built character. There's

1:02:57

a terrible snowstorm, and time

1:02:59

is ticking on a critical issue. A

1:03:01

snowmobile pulls up, and it's Justin

1:03:04

Timberlake. He

1:03:06

says it was just one martini, but you're not so sure.

1:03:11

What do you do? It's going to

1:03:14

be May. Interesting,

1:03:17

interesting, interesting. It's

1:03:22

so good to see all of you. I've

1:03:25

really been looking forward to this. Isn't

1:03:29

he great? There's

1:03:33

a snowstorm, and

1:03:37

a snowmobile pulls up, and

1:03:39

then it's me. The

1:03:44

Affordable Care Act, and whether it's constitutional, hangs

1:03:47

in the balance, but I want

1:03:49

to talk about video games the whole way. I

1:03:53

want to talk about all the Souls games, and

1:03:57

how challenging all the different parts of it can be. and

1:04:00

I will spend a fair amount of time on the lure. You

1:04:03

will know what the erd tree is by the

1:04:05

time... We've

1:04:08

reached the capital. You'll

1:04:12

know all about the tarnished. And

1:04:14

you'll know the difference between a

1:04:17

quality build, a

1:04:19

dexterity build, a strength build,

1:04:22

a mage build... Feels

1:04:24

like I'm already on the

1:04:26

snowmobile, honestly. Congressman Jackson, what can people

1:04:28

do to help over the next few

1:04:32

months to make sure that we elect

1:04:34

you as Attorney General in

1:04:36

North Carolina and not a far right member of the House who

1:04:38

would do a bad job? You

1:04:42

know what to do. Hit

1:04:44

that website. Help us out. It's going to be a 1% race.

1:04:48

Our current Attorney General who's running for governor won

1:04:50

his re-election by .2% of the election. I've

1:04:53

told him to his face, we're going to win by .3% of the vote. And

1:04:57

you all are going to help me do it. Thank

1:04:59

you. Thank you so much. Good

1:05:01

to see you too. He'll be back. All right.

1:05:04

And we're back. Please welcome our

1:05:06

wonderful guest back to the stage, Justice

1:05:09

Riggs. Thank you. Thank you.

1:05:11

Thank you. Thank

1:05:13

you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank

1:05:15

you. Thank you. Thank

1:05:18

you. Thank you. Thank you.

1:05:21

Thank you. Thanks, Riggs. Congressman Jackson,

1:05:23

T.S. Madison. Thank

1:05:26

you for sticking around. Thanks for sticking

1:05:28

around. Thank

1:05:30

you for sticking around. Do

1:05:37

we stand? We can sit. What's it?

1:05:40

Okay. I like to sit, you

1:05:42

know. I'm sick of ranting. I've been ranting for

1:05:45

a decade. And what's

1:05:47

that got me? It's got me a lot, actually.

1:05:49

A surprising amount. Best

1:05:52

not think about it too much. But

1:05:54

tonight we wanted to do a twist on the rant wheel.

1:05:56

Tonight it's the want wheel.

1:06:00

I won't be hidden that

1:06:02

way. Here's how it works. We

1:06:05

spin the want wheel. Wherever it lands, we

1:06:07

talk about something we want. Let's

1:06:13

spin the wheel. Here

1:06:21

we go. Justice

1:06:26

Riggs, what's something that you

1:06:28

want? I want

1:06:30

the opportunity to try to start

1:06:32

my family, to have a child,

1:06:35

but do so in peace and

1:06:37

safely. And

1:06:47

all the rescue dogs. That's

1:06:53

great. I

1:06:57

love dogs. It's

1:06:59

been pointed out recently that I like them even more

1:07:01

than people. Let's

1:07:06

spin it again. Well,

1:07:17

what's something that you want? Uh,

1:07:21

I really want people to wake

1:07:23

up and understand how bad Project 2025

1:07:25

is. I

1:07:32

really, really, really want that. And I

1:07:34

really want the people from

1:07:36

my community, the black community, the

1:07:38

trans community, any, any minority community

1:07:41

understand that these people that are

1:07:43

rallying for Trump do

1:07:45

not have their best interests at heart at all.

1:07:47

You know, and I, and I, and I want

1:07:49

them to look past that stimulus

1:07:52

check that they got and

1:07:55

like that this person

1:07:58

and these. agendas

1:08:01

are not good for our

1:08:03

country. Coming,

1:08:05

like November is so important and

1:08:08

I really want people to take

1:08:10

that serious. All right. All

1:08:12

right. I agree

1:08:18

with that. And

1:08:20

I also want to play Audrey too in whatever movie

1:08:22

comes out of. I

1:08:27

like that, that's a good idea. Do you think I should,

1:08:29

I could play Audrey too? Yeah. You

1:08:31

do? Yeah. He knows your life

1:08:33

of crime. I

1:08:40

think it's supper time. This

1:08:46

must happen. This

1:08:50

must happen. I, when I,

1:08:52

I used to love the Little Shop of

1:08:54

Hars, but we did not have a pristine

1:08:59

official version of Little Shop of Hars.

1:09:02

We had a version of Little Shop

1:09:04

of Hars, which I think involves my mother

1:09:06

going, Little Shop of Hars is on. Tape

1:09:08

in, hit record. And

1:09:12

so it started a few minutes in. And

1:09:16

I didn't see the beginning till

1:09:18

I was an adult. But

1:09:22

the context, you get it with the context. I

1:09:25

do. Let's

1:09:27

spin it again. Congressman,

1:09:40

what do you want? Jupiter

1:09:43

has about a hundred moons. Several

1:09:47

hundred years ago, Galileo spotted the four biggest.

1:09:51

Europa is

1:09:53

the best chance for life outside of Earth

1:09:55

anywhere in the solar system, because it has

1:09:57

more water than Earth, and a lot of

1:09:59

it's liquid. water. It's under this ice, but

1:10:01

we know there's a lot of liquid water

1:10:04

there. So ten years ago, Congress passed a

1:10:06

law telling NASA they had to go explore

1:10:08

Europa. So the Jet Propulsion

1:10:10

Laboratory has been busy at work building

1:10:12

the Europa Clipper, and when it launches

1:10:14

it's going to take five years to

1:10:16

travel 1.8 billion miles to this

1:10:18

moon of Jupiter. When it gets there it's going

1:10:20

to fly through one of the plumes of frozen

1:10:23

water that it shoots out into space. It's going

1:10:25

to be able to collect the water and analyze

1:10:27

it and tell us more about what's going on.

1:10:29

This Europa Clipper launches

1:10:32

in October, and what I

1:10:34

want is for

1:10:36

you to give you something to look

1:10:38

forward to between now and the election, and

1:10:40

it is the Europa Clipper launching. That's pretty

1:10:44

good. That's pretty good. Follow-up

1:10:53

question. Is

1:10:56

Pluto a planet? Neil

1:11:00

deGrasse Tyson would say no, and I'm

1:11:03

going to diff... am I gonna lose

1:11:06

the election right now? Yeah,

1:11:08

hell yeah, it's a planet! It's

1:11:12

called pandering, John. I'm not proud. Let's

1:11:17

spin it again. Here's

1:11:29

what I want. I want

1:11:31

people to accept that Pluto is not a planet.

1:11:44

And I want that for two reasons. The

1:11:47

first being because it simply isn't

1:11:49

one. It's

1:11:54

not a planet. The planets are here, Pluto's

1:11:57

up here, going in a totally

1:11:59

different fucking as

1:12:01

Neil deGrasse Tyson would say. It's tiny. It's

1:12:06

actually orbiting another, it's

1:12:09

moon, which is really just another, they're

1:12:11

very much the same size. I don't remember

1:12:13

the details, I didn't plan for this. It's

1:12:19

in there, you know? You

1:12:21

know, the gist. The Kuiper Belt. What's

1:12:24

it called? The Kuiper Belt. The

1:12:26

Kuiper Belt. That's

1:12:29

where Pluto is. Pluto

1:12:31

deserves its plaudits.

1:12:37

Not because it's the smallest planet, but

1:12:40

because it's a very big version of

1:12:42

something that's not a planet. Pluto

1:12:44

could either, for us, be the

1:12:46

worst planet or the best big-ass

1:12:48

rock that's out there. But

1:12:55

the second reason I want us all to, you know what it is? It's

1:12:58

not that I want people to accept Pluto

1:13:00

not being a planet. I want people to

1:13:03

want to accept the fact that Pluto

1:13:05

is not a planet, because I want to live in a

1:13:07

world where we can change,

1:13:12

where we don't have to accept the received wisdom

1:13:14

of a person looking up basically

1:13:17

between two fucking beer bottles. And

1:13:21

saying, I found another one. So

1:13:28

Pluto's not a planet? It's not. I

1:13:32

want to live in a world where we all come together and

1:13:34

look at the facts. And when the

1:13:36

facts tell us, despite what we learned from

1:13:39

our favorite science teacher when we were

1:13:41

kids, despite what the pictures on our

1:13:43

childhood bedroom ceiling said, despite

1:13:46

what the documentaries on PBS

1:13:48

we watched, because nobody

1:13:50

wanted to hang out with us after a speech and debate,

1:13:54

that you were friends when you were on the trip, but that

1:13:56

was it. that

1:14:01

despite all of

1:14:04

that, that nostalgia, that

1:14:07

we don't make decisions just based

1:14:10

on nostalgia, because we

1:14:12

understand that nostalgia binds us

1:14:14

looking backwards, that we don't need to

1:14:16

make the skies great again. The

1:14:18

skies were already great. That's

1:14:22

what I want. That's

1:14:25

what I want. Thank

1:14:27

you. And even more than that, I want everyone in this room to

1:14:36

do everything they can to elect

1:14:38

Justice Allison Rinks, to

1:14:42

elect Jeff Jackson, your next attorney

1:14:44

general, to come canvas

1:14:46

with me and flip North Carolina tomorrow, and

1:14:50

to sign up for votesaveamerica.com, because,

1:14:56

listen, he thinks he can win by 0.3%. I

1:14:58

feel like we can get that thing up to

1:15:01

0.4%. I think it's possible. And

1:15:03

that's the want wheel. When

1:15:06

we come back, we'll end on a high note.

1:15:11

And we're back. We're back. We're

1:15:13

back. We're back. We're

1:15:17

back. We're back. And

1:15:20

we're back. And we're back. Before

1:15:23

we go tonight, it's time for some

1:15:26

high notes. Let's bring the lights up. Kendra's there for the

1:15:28

high notes. If you could line up behind

1:15:30

Kendra. Hi, what's your name and what's your high

1:15:32

note? Hi, my name is Melina Coogan. I live

1:15:34

in Woodfin, North Carolina. And

1:15:38

my high note today. We met earlier today. Yes, we did.

1:15:40

My high note was I was so terrified to canvas, and

1:15:42

it was my first time. But a guy

1:15:44

named Bob came with me and totally put me in ease, and

1:15:46

everyone was so nice. And I canvas

1:15:49

for Lindsey Prather, and she's awesome. Nice. Hi,

1:15:57

I'm Dan from Raleigh, North Carolina. And

1:16:00

this is a bit of our

1:16:02

farewell, North Carolina, because my wife just actually got

1:16:04

her dream job. Hell, we will get

1:16:06

healthcare coverage across the country. We

1:16:09

are set to go west, and we're just very

1:16:11

excited to be able to have a chance. She is

1:16:13

so excited. She's the kind of person who actually has

1:16:15

a tattoo of Medicaid on her body. That

1:16:18

is a secret that I'm kind of letting

1:16:20

out tonight. I'm

1:16:22

sorry, hold on a second. You

1:16:27

have a Medicaid tattoo? And

1:16:29

it was, until now, a

1:16:33

secret. Now, is

1:16:36

it a secret that it's about Medicaid? So

1:16:40

that's interesting. So,

1:16:46

you love Medicaid, that we got. That's not

1:16:50

the part we're thinking about. Where?

1:16:55

Near your heart. Near

1:16:58

your heart. Wow.

1:17:01

When you say near my heart, you go ah.

1:17:03

When you say on my boob. It's

1:17:08

a little bit different. Interesting,

1:17:14

interesting. Hi, what's your name, what's your high note? My

1:17:16

name is David, I live in Raleigh, North Carolina. My

1:17:21

high note is that I'm here with

1:17:24

a couple of the Friends of the

1:17:26

Pod Discord mods. Hell yeah. Yeah, and

1:17:28

giving a shout out. Our mods are

1:17:30

in the trenches. Yes. All

1:17:32

right. Get it done. The news

1:17:34

isn't, it's not all fucking Met

1:17:36

Gala and Justin Timberlake

1:17:38

DWIs. There's some heavy shit that goes

1:17:41

on and the mods get in there,

1:17:43

pull up their galoshes, put

1:17:45

on their big gloves and they get in there and

1:17:47

they fucking moderate. I

1:17:50

wanna give a shout out. One of them has a

1:17:52

birthday on Sunday. There's

1:17:54

another mod who's not here, whose birthday is tomorrow. And

1:17:57

my wife's birthday is today? Yeah.

1:18:00

I think that's a high note. I think it's

1:18:02

my high note there. Could have led with that. Everybody has

1:18:04

a birthday. All right. Thank

1:18:06

you. Thank you. Thank you. Where are the

1:18:08

mods? Shout out to the mods, the mod

1:18:10

squad. Hi, guys. Hi.

1:18:13

What's your name? What's your high note? Hi. My

1:18:16

name is Cece. And four years ago today, I

1:18:18

decided to take a semester off college and become

1:18:20

a field organizer in Georgia for the Biden campaign.

1:18:23

Thank you. I am now

1:18:25

a public school teacher here in North

1:18:27

Carolina. And my partner actually just, thank

1:18:29

you, just got a job with the

1:18:31

coordinated campaign for the Democratic Party in

1:18:33

Michigan. So that's my high note. That's

1:18:36

great. Hi.

1:18:39

What's your name? What's your high note? Hi.

1:18:41

I'm Winnie. I'm a 16-year-old. And

1:18:44

I had civics class this year and

1:18:46

learned how little people my age know

1:18:48

about how important it is to engage

1:18:50

in your local government. My

1:18:52

high note is that tomorrow I'm going canvassing

1:18:55

for the first time with my mom. That's

1:18:58

great. That's fun. Hi.

1:19:03

What's your name? What's your high note? Hi. My

1:19:05

name's Anna. I'm from Asheville. My

1:19:10

dad is a really big fan, a podcast of

1:19:12

America, and love it. And he

1:19:14

wasn't able to be here because he had a surgery. But

1:19:16

my high note is that he's healing well and shout out.

1:19:19

He'll listen on Tuesday. Shout

1:19:22

out to your dad. And I

1:19:24

hope he's recovering from his BBL. Hi.

1:19:30

My name's Sarah. I'm from Charlotte. First, I want

1:19:32

to say thank you for the crooked bag. But

1:19:36

also, I'm a social worker. And I've

1:19:38

been working with kids and adults struggling

1:19:41

with mental illness and addiction.

1:19:43

And honestly, a lot of

1:19:45

days it sucks working in a system that

1:19:48

feels like it's built to work against the

1:19:50

people I'm trying to help. And

1:19:52

I listen to your pod and Pods of America a lot of

1:19:55

days to and from work. And it gives me a lot of

1:19:57

hope for the future, for the people

1:19:59

that I work with. So thank you. Thanks.

1:20:05

Hi, what's your name? What's your high note? Hi,

1:20:07

I'm Joey. I'm from Durham, North Carolina. Happy

1:20:11

Pride everybody. I'm here with my boyfriend, Andrew.

1:20:13

Love you. And my high note

1:20:15

is that my manager got fired this week. Yeah,

1:20:17

look at how, I'm

1:20:20

so excited to be here. I'm

1:20:23

so excited to be here. I'm

1:20:26

so excited to be here. Yeah,

1:20:29

look at how, it

1:20:32

was such a company-wide sigh of

1:20:34

relief. So we're just all very

1:20:36

excited about it. I'm

1:20:38

glad that happened to him. It

1:20:41

was a her, yeah. It's

1:20:44

2024 and women can be terrible managers. That

1:20:46

was very presumptuous of you. I

1:20:51

would say that's the first high note I think

1:20:53

we've ever had that it's like some bitch got

1:20:55

fired. Never,

1:20:59

haven't had that before. It

1:21:01

just, at first. Hey, so

1:21:04

I'm a Jackson as well. And

1:21:07

it was so much fun being

1:21:09

able to break the chain of

1:21:11

a very conservative Republican Jackson dynasty

1:21:13

in my family to come out

1:21:16

here and see Jeff Jackson

1:21:18

here at Love It or Leave It. So

1:21:20

that's what I got. A good Jackson.

1:21:23

It's worth changing Jacksons. Yeah, we're taking

1:21:25

it back. What's

1:21:28

your name? What's your high note? I

1:21:30

love it. My name is Andrew. I'm

1:21:32

originally from Richmond, Virginia. My high note

1:21:34

is that after a really long and

1:21:36

difficult career in mental health as a

1:21:38

psychiatrist in community mental health, my mom

1:21:40

is finally retiring at the end of

1:21:42

next week, which is very exciting. She

1:21:44

works extremely difficult. So it's really exciting

1:21:46

to see her be able to retire.

1:21:48

And if you're listening to this mom,

1:21:50

happy retirement to you. That's

1:21:52

very sweet. What a nice place to be. What's

1:21:55

your name? What's your high note? My name is

1:21:58

Alex Krug and my high note is. C-sharp.

1:22:02

That's

1:22:05

pretty good. That's pretty good. That's

1:22:08

pretty good. Thank you

1:22:10

to everybody that shared a high note

1:22:12

tonight. Thank you all for being here.

1:22:14

If you want to leave us a

1:22:16

high note, you could email us or you

1:22:19

can leave it in our in our Discord, in

1:22:21

the Love It or Leave It Discord as part

1:22:23

of Friends of the Pod. That is our

1:22:26

show. Thank you so much to Justin Allison

1:22:28

Riggs, TS Madison and Congressman and soon to

1:22:30

be your next Attorney General, Jeff Jackson. Thank

1:22:33

you, Asheville. Thank you to everybody

1:22:35

at the Orange Peel. Such a blast to come

1:22:37

back. So glad we got to do these two

1:22:39

shows. There are 134 days until the

1:22:43

2024 elections. Have a great night and

1:22:45

see you all. See you next time. And

1:22:50

I'll be signing books over there. Love

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