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Maxie Miles is a production of a typical artists,
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and I heart radio. This.
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I don't understand. It's pretty
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clear, Max. I mean Riley
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seemed sure, but that doesn't make any
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sense. How could I mean, if
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they knew, It's not like mining comes
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without consequences. I know, trust
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me. That's the whole reason I want an environmental
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club so that people will get it right.
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So is this really that surprising.
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It's one thing for Hastings to have a new mining
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project that will do god only knows what
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to the ecosystem long term. It's another
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thing entirely to know that they're poisoning the
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groundwater, and yet here
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it is. Is there any chance that Riley
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could be wrong? I mean, I
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guess, but I mean he wrote new
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project proven to be poisoning groundwater,
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County Environmental Surveyor has environmental
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impact report. That's pretty cut
0:54
and dry. But I mean, there's
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all kinds of stuff about the minds
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both of them. In his notebook, it
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looked like he was mapping all the
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old mine entrances or something. Maybe
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it was a theory. It doesn't sound like it was
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just a theory. But how would he know? Oh
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my god, Miss Honeywow, what about
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her? When she went to city Hall
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the first day she got here, Riley was there.
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She said she saw him eavesdropping. He
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was leaning against an office door. How's
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office? No, No, that's
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what's weird. She said. It wasn't the
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mayor's office. Okay. Who
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else has an office in city Hall? The
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public Works foreman, she'd be
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involved with all kinds of planning stuff like
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the mine. There's also the deputy mayor. What
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Ms Halleran, she's one hundred
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and two. She's more of a town mascot
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than anything else. The
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sheriff, No, no way.
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Maybe this county surveyor person
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was talking to Mr Collins about the water, but
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Mr Combs wouldn't hide that. Do
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you think how would at No?
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I don't think how would put anyone in Hastings
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in danger. But he'd do whatever
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he could to protect the town's reputation.
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But just because Riley overheard
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something about the new mind being dangerous doesn't
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mean they're not actively trying to fix it. I
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mean, the project hasn't even been officially
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launched yet. Yeah, I
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guess that's true. I'm sure
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whatever is going on with it, if
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there really is something wrong, that
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everyone who needs to know knows, and
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they're doing everything that they can to fix it. But
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why is Riley missing? Now? This
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seems like too much of a coincidence. Jenna
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said he was working on some kind of political
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scandal piece, and this
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was clearly it. Maybe
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he wasn't eavesdropping on How, but that doesn't mean
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that How doesn't know. So
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what do you think How kidnapped
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Riley to keep him quiet with what
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end game prevent him from writing an
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article until the pro ject can open? But if
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it's true, it would do just as much damage
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regardless of when it comes out. Maybe the contracts
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aren't signed. How has been talking about the kind
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of money this is gonna bring Hastings. We need more
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info. We need to give this to the sheriff. Wait,
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not yet, Max, Look, I trust
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Sheriff Colmes. I do. I
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don't think he'd ever do anything to put Riley
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or anyone else in danger. But if
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he was who Riley was eavesdropping
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on, I just
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want to know more before we go. Making
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accusations and turning over evidence
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is the same thing as making accusations in
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your head. We don't know, that's
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the problem. Fine, I'll
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hold onto it for now we can we can
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keep it here, added
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to the pile of things we're not telling the responsible
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adults. Thank you? But
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but what? Okay?
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There was one of the weird
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thing in the notebook. Jeez, what is
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it now? This section here? I
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didn't read too much because it seemed personal,
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but Ross just spit it out? Did
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Riley mention anything about his parents
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to you? What? No?
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Why? Wait?
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Actually, the last
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time we spoke he was going on about
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family. Why
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does it say something about his parents in here? He
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talks about needing to go to city hall to talk
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to the county clerk about his parents, And
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then he just wrote they
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lied? What on earth?
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Jenna said he'd had some family drama.
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But maybe this is what Riley
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was eavesdropping on. But what would it be? What
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were the Stevens lying about? And is it
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bad enough that Riley would have run away?
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All right? Tomorrow morning you
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go to city hall and try to talk to the mayor? What?
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What? Why? Me? I've already been sniffing
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around his office too much. He knows how
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to dodge my questions. But do you think he'll talk
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to me? I think you're annoying
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enough to get some information. From him. Yeah,
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gee, thanks, what
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are you going to do? Tomorrow's Sunday? So
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no one other than Hall is going to be at city
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Hall. But I bet I can find
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the four minute the tavern and ask her
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about what's going on with the new mine. They're
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not going to let you into the tavern. Max. You
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don't know that you four and very
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strong willed. I've been told from
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a typical artists and I heart radio. You're
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listening to Maxi Miles. This
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is chapter eight the Missing Files Max
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Maxi Files. We'll
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up a second of
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high Ransom Lucky.
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I ran into you you are Yeah,
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I need your help? Yeah,
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this is Look, do you mind
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if we talk about this off the street? Are
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you all right? Ransom? You look
6:32
really awful to be perfectly
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honest. Yeah, thanks for that. You'll
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understand when you're twenty one. Oh
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hangover? Yeah? Can we just
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go inside? Please? The general story
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is closed today, Ransom
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family owned. Remember, Plus,
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I can really use a cigarette?
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Do you mind if will you stop?
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If I do? I'm not a total jerk, you
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know. In that case? Second
7:06
hand smoking is horribly dangerous,
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right, See,
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I can be considerate of other people. What are
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we doing here? Ransom. I actually
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have places to be. I'm sure you do out
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solving little crimes and saving cats.
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My friend is missing, Mr Archer,
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in case you hadn't noticed, Yeah, you're
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right, I'm sorry. Well,
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Mr Archer, I didn't want to be
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rude while I yelled at you. Right listen,
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I've got another mystery for you to solve. Look,
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I'm happy to help you out
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however I can on any other day. But I
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really, I promise you this isn't frivolous.
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I know you're worried about your friend, but if you help me
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with this, I'll see what I can do to help you. What
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what do you mean are you withholding something
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that could help Riley? No, God, of
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course not. I just meant I
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heard that he may have run away to Berlin, and I
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also know that you're currently under house arrest. Oh
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my god, how does ever play cards
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with your uncle and Walt? They called
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to cancel this weekend's game because someone needs
8:08
to be looked after. Speaking of
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which, where does Joe think you are right now? Um?
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In ross Teller's tree house? Right,
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of course? Please don't tell him that I'm downtown.
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Your secrets are safe with me. I
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broke plenty of rules when I was your age. I don't
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think there's anything wrong with enjoying your time as a teenager.
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Yeah, that's exactly what I'm doing,
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which is why I'm offering to drive you
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to Berlin this week. If you want, I can
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tell Joe that I'm taking you on as an intern
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or something. I actually do have some meetings in
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Berlin on Tuesday, and you can see what you
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can dig up about Riley. If he's there,
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you'll find him. I have no doubt really
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you do that. I don't know much help, but it really
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be I know Walt is already coordinating
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with Gorham in Berlin, but am I easier
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mind Sheriff Combs is expanding
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the search again. He's
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gotten as many community watch groups involved as you
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can. I haven't found Earlei in Hastings,
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so he must be somewhere else. That's
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the theory. Anyway, this
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really is a lot more serious than I think you realized,
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Max. I think it could become a county
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wide missing person's case. I don't know why
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everyone keeps assuming that I'm not taking
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this seriously. I feel like I'm the
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only one who's doing anything. I
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know it feels like that, like you've
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got some good folks in your corner. The grown
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ups in this town are actually trying to look out for
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you. You say that like you're not one of them.
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Well, I'm not that. I
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don't care, I do. I'm just not
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a grown up. You're not according
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to my father, my wife, no
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kids, no new ideas for the Archer
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Empire. Still just to
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screw up. Not to be rude, but
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oh no, please go ahead. You
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are asking a fourteen year old for help.
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That's a very
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fair point, speaking
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of I was robbed
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last night. What someone
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broke in? What is happening in this that's
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the weird thing. There was no break
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in? Not really. Then
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I was out last night, right
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the hangover Saturday
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night at the tavern, get a little wild? Actually
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I wasn't at the tavern, really, believe
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it or not. I was on a
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date really, yes,
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oh oh god, you
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were on a date with miss Honey. Well, weren't
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you? How do you
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know? Wild? Guess you
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don't have to sound so disappointed. No,
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it's not. I
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really like miss Honey well, and I know,
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and let me guess you think she could
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do better. I didn't say that. You didn't
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have to. Look. I know I haven't been
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the warmest person in Hastings, but Alanna
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is. She's wonderful,
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smart and witty and beautiful.
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Are you in love with her? What? No?
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No, I've only known her for a few weeks, so
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it wasn't love at first sight. I'm
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not sure leaving that kind of stuff. No,
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no, no, it's not that. It's
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the instantaneous thing that I'm not sure
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is real in my albeit
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very limited experience. Falling
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in love isn't about seeing someone in lightning striking
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attraction can be like that. Sure, having
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a crush a crush,
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Well, don't those sometimes lead
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to love? Sure? Maybe, But
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I'm talking about the kind of first sight crush
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where you fantasize about who
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someone is and what could happen. But
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it's still just a fantasy, and
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that version is always far better than any reality
11:37
could ever be. And that's what you're
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doing with miss Honeywell, no, that's what I'm trying
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not to do. It's always
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a disappointment if you stay in that fantasy in your head
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for too long. It's better to live
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in the real world, even if it's
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imperfect. That's
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surprisingly ground above you. Well,
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I'll take that as a compliment. I
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think I know what you mean about
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having a fantasy in your head of what
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could be really what You
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don't think I'm the type of person to have a crush,
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No, I think it's pretty unusual for a teenager
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to realize that they're idealizing someone. Everything
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feels so big when you're young, it can be hard to tell
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the difference. Does it really matter?
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Then? If it feels like
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love, then it is right.
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That's an interesting perspective,
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but I think it does matter in the
12:27
action you take. What do you mean People
12:29
make a lot of big decisions based on big
12:32
feelings. Those big feelings
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aren't rooted in something real. You
12:36
could be making a big mistake something
12:38
like that. Then how do you know when
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it's love? Real love? Love
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is quieter. It can
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happen all at once or very slowly. Sometimes
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it's both. It comes
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from knowing someone, from trusting them.
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Loving someone else isn't about you, it's
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about them. You sound like someone
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who knows how it feels firsthand. I
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know it might be hard to picture, but yeah,
13:05
I do. What happened well,
13:08
I was doomed from the start in some ways. What
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do you mean we were fifteen, and
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I didn't do anything smart. When I was fifteen, I
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would have screwed it up one way or another. Not
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to mention my parents were well,
13:22
it doesn't matter. But it wasn't just
13:24
a teenage crush. May have started out
13:26
that way, but you trusted her with
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my life. I'd only
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known her for a year, but she understood
13:33
me more than anyone ever had made
13:35
me feel like she was actually talking to me when she
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was talking to me, not just telling me what
13:39
to do. Everyone
13:42
was always telling me what to do. Oh
13:44
yeah, what's that like? Yeah,
13:46
I figured you'd get that. And
13:49
Cherry told me what to do all the time. She was bossy
13:51
as hell, but it felt
13:53
different, like she wasn't just saying
13:55
things to say them, but like we were
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together, partners,
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you know, even when
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we didn't agree, I still
14:05
wanted to listen. Yeah,
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Yeah, I think I know what you
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mean. You okay,
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Max? You look rattled? Yeah,
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I'm fine. Of
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what happened to her. Her
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family moved away suddenly, and she she
14:26
stopped talking to me. She told
14:28
me she was leaving, and then I never
14:30
heard from her again. Ouch. Yeah,
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Jesus. Anyway, Uh, that's enough
14:38
of that. Sorry, I don't know how we got on that.
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You were talking about the woman you're
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currently dating. Yeah, yeah,
14:45
of course, and Allan is great. Reminds
14:48
me of Sherry a bit. Actually, Well,
14:50
anyway, it's the first good thing that's happened to me in a
14:52
while. So of course I probably
14:54
royally screwed it up last night. So
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we went to a nice dinner. Everything seemed
15:00
would be going great. I had
15:02
maybe two glasses of wine, we ordered
15:04
dessert, and then the
15:06
next thing I know, I'm waking up at four in the morning
15:08
in my office. What about
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six hours or just completely
15:14
missing. And that's not all that's missing.
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The safe in the office have been open. Someone stole
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money from you. No no, no, no, not money.
15:21
Files. Why would someone steal your
15:23
files? Well, they're not even mine.
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It's technically my father's office, not
15:28
that he deigns to come here very often, but it's
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the office in the back of Archer's Archery, the first
15:33
Archer business from eighteen whatever,
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and it's always been my dad's favorite. He's
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sentimental about the family like that. So
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it's his safe. And
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you didn't have the code. As
15:45
far as I know, my dad's the only one with it. Where
15:48
is he right now? Oh, somewhere in
15:50
West Virginia buying another mining company
15:53
once he gets locked on something. Anyway,
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he's not supposed to be in Hastings until the festival starts
15:58
later this week. He wants to be
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here for the demo, push, the plunger and all that.
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So if your dad isn't in town and
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you don't know the code, then how would
16:07
someone get into your safe? It's pretty old,
16:10
might be original to the building for all I know, So
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it's not like it to be the hardest thing to crack, but you
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presumably still have to know what you were doing.
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I knows. I've never gettn it a go. Do you have any
16:19
idea what was in there? Um? I
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think just old historical family documents,
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the original defunct land deeds,
16:28
maybe some family trees. Nothing of
16:30
real value unless someone was
16:32
looking to target the Archer family first.
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The graffiti from the other week, Yeah, but
16:38
target us with what letters from
16:40
the nineteen teens Archer's
16:42
Archery and everything in it is more of a museum than it
16:44
is a business investment at this point. If
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someone wanted to target us, steal from us
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has to be a more efficient way. Is
16:51
there anything embarrassing
16:53
in those files any family skeletons?
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Are you asking for the Archer family dirt
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if there's any to be found that. I don't
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need to know why someone stole these files. I just
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need to get them back. If you know what's
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in them, that will help me figure out who took them.
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Look, all I know is that I'm missing a full six hours
17:10
of my life, and my father is going to be here in three
17:12
days, and I really don't need to give him more ammunition
17:14
to come at me for being a funk up. I think
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you can work with that fine,
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all right. First step
17:23
then figuring out when and how
17:25
they broke in. Could someone
17:27
have drugged you? I don't see when they would have had
17:29
a chance. Uh,
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I don't know. Maybe I went to the tavern for a late drink.
17:35
Certainly would have been the first time, and someone
17:37
would have known to find you there exactly.
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Well, lucky for you, I
17:42
need to head to the tavern today anyway, getting
17:45
some points and darts in looking
17:48
for someone. Actually, not that
17:50
it's any of your business, and
17:52
the end is on the way. We can stop either
17:55
and ask him as honeywell, if she remembers anything
17:57
that might be useful. She's very observant.
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I've discovered it. Come on,
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time to do some questioning. Oh, I
18:04
think i'll hang back. Is your
18:07
hangover really that bad? My
18:09
capacity to feel bones shaking? Embarrassment?
18:11
Is that bad? Sending a teenager
18:13
around town to ask after your whereabouts
18:15
isn't embarrassing at least I don't have to
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witness it firsthand. Fine,
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I'm off to the end. Then, Hey,
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Max, thank
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you. Don't thank me yet. I
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haven't solved anything. Yeah, but you will.
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I know you will if you really believe
18:33
that. You know that if I find the
18:35
files, I'll find out what's in them too.
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Are you going to be okay with that? Deal's
18:41
a deal. You find my files, I'll drive
18:43
you up and down Route three O two as much as you want.
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Whatever else happens happens, Miss
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Honeywell, Miss
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Honeywell, Mabel
19:22
Thorpe ghost. I'm
19:25
sorry to just barge in like this. The
19:27
door was open. Hello.
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You know you really should get the locks changed,
19:37
especially considering what ross
19:44
s? What?
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What's going on? What are you doing here? I
19:49
was on my way to meet you with the tavern when I remembered
19:51
what you said about seeing someone run away from the inn
19:54
yesterday. So you just thought you'd break
19:56
in, Like you said, the door was open. It's
19:58
an end. It's a public business. It's not
20:00
open. Just listen. I
20:03
went to the back door where you saw Riley. I'm
20:05
not sure who or what it
20:07
was. You were right, it was Riley.
20:10
What how do you know this?
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I found this snagged on the back door.
20:16
Hinge? Is this a
20:18
shoelace? Part of one? It must
20:21
have gotten caught and snapped off when he was running away.
20:23
But what how? What?
20:26
That doesn't mean it was Riley. This
20:28
could be from anything except look the
20:31
baseballs. I know these
20:33
shoelaces. Oh my god. Wait,
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you're right. I recognize they're from the Baseball
20:38
Hall of Fame, from when you and your family went to
20:40
Cooperstown that one summer and I brought back
20:43
souvenirs for everyone. You got me a
20:45
patch for my girl Scouts vest, and I got Riley
20:47
these shoelaces. I
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I can't believe it. I can't believe
20:53
he's still wearing them. I gave
20:55
them him, and like the fourth grade good
20:58
thing he is. This is ross.
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This is a big deal. I know he
21:06
was really here. I really did
21:08
see him. It sure seems like it. What
21:15
was he doing here hiding out?
21:17
I guess, I mean it's smart.
21:19
No one's here, but a bunch of the rooms are still
21:21
outfitted with beds and stuff. He could
21:23
have been sleeping right here all along for all we know.
21:27
But why why not come
21:29
home? Why hide? And
21:32
why run from me? I have so
21:34
many more questions now? Yeah,
21:36
speaking of which, I have some
21:39
new info. Oh yeah,
21:41
how was city hall? You were wrong? How
21:43
wasn't the only one there today? Really? Who
21:45
else was in? These two guys? They
21:48
don't work for the town, I don't think. Okay,
21:51
then who were they? I
21:53
didn't get a chance to find out, But I
21:56
bet it's something to do with new mind. They
21:58
looked familiar. I just can't
22:00
place my finger on it. Did you ask how
22:03
well? How was being all? How
22:06
smiling and upbeat and unhelpful?
22:08
Maxine Miles? Why that's the most unkind
22:10
thing you've ever said about anyone? You
22:13
must be rubbing off on me. Yeah,
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well it's mutual. I think I'm
22:17
getting a hang of this slew thing thing. Oh,
22:20
come on, tell me what you found out. I think
22:23
he definitely knows about the groundwater
22:25
issue? Really did he admit
22:27
to it. No I I didn't come
22:29
right out and ask I just generally
22:32
asked about the mining project. And he was going
22:34
on and on and on and on about how it's going to
22:36
be so good for Hastings and the archers of
22:38
the backbone of the town, bringing new business, blah
22:40
blah blah blah blah. Which is
22:42
why he's moving up the start
22:45
date. What I thought it
22:47
was supposed to start the last day of the harvest festival,
22:49
which isn't for another ten days. They're
22:52
starting tonight. What yep,
22:54
they're detonating the old mine, collapsing
22:56
it. Oh my god, we
22:59
have to find what if he I
23:01
mean, what if he's digging for more evidence
23:03
in the minds all those maps of the mine entrances
23:06
in his notebook. Whoa, whoa, We still have no
23:08
idea. That's why Riley's hiding out. What do you mean
23:11
he overheard something about the mind being
23:13
dangerous. He was hiding out. Now they're
23:15
rushing up the detonation. Something
23:17
here isn't right, except I don't think that's what
23:19
Riley overheard. Hal said that
23:22
the day Riley came in to talk to him, Hal
23:24
found him snooping around the Public Works office
23:26
looking through papers and stuff. Okay,
23:29
so if he found out through some files
23:31
and not eavesdropping, then then
23:34
maybe whatever is going on with his family
23:36
is what made him run away, Except we don't know
23:38
that he did run away, not to begin
23:40
with, because there's still the whole thing
23:42
with Mr Beatie and that weird phone call
23:45
and the fact that his backpack was in the middle of the woods.
23:50
Ah,
23:53
come on, Max, we can figure this out. I
23:55
know we can. Russ
23:58
Teller is giving me a pep talk. Things
24:00
must be really dire, must
24:02
be. I really do appreciate what
24:06
what's wrong is that? What are
24:08
you looking at? Something's
24:13
Max? What are you doing? Look that
24:15
board in the ceiling. It's crooked?
24:17
But I can't h here?
24:21
Let me whoa,
24:26
what the hell? Reach around?
24:29
Yeah, there's more. What
24:35
are you okay? Yeah? I'm
24:38
fine? You Ross?
24:42
Yeah, do you
24:45
mind getting
24:48
off of me? Right? Yeah, of course,
24:51
sorry, I mean it's it's fine. What
24:54
the hell is miss Honey Well doing with these papers in your ceiling?
24:56
Well they could have been here for a while,
24:59
it sure looks like it. This is a lot of old,
25:01
boring crap deeds, some type
25:03
written letters. Wait a second,
25:07
this is ransom stuff. What these
25:10
papers were stolen last night. I
25:13
was just talking to him about it, which means, oh
25:17
my god, what what is it? Oh
25:19
my god? Max this
25:23
this? What is
25:25
Is this a birth certificate? Is
25:27
this Ransom Archer's birth certificate?
25:30
Look at the date? Wait
25:35
a second, Ransom
25:37
wasn't born in the eighties? What our
25:40
Archer was born in the same year we were. I
25:42
think I know what happened. Excuse
25:47
me? Is someone here? Shit?
25:50
Hello, come on, we
25:52
gotta get out of here now. Maxine
25:58
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