50:00

and like, if you touch the mushroom here, you

50:02

know? So this actually happens in our body. And

50:05

again, healers have talked about this. Chinese

50:07

medicine has talked about this. This is the meridian

50:09

system, right? It's all connected. Traditional

50:11

science did not give this much thought. Correct.

50:15

Traditional Chinese medicine, acupuncture, meridians,

50:17

acupressure, other healers were

50:20

all talking about the systems of the body

50:22

as being interconnected and communicating with one another,

50:25

and he then began to prove that. It's

50:27

a huge discovery in

50:29

how we are interconnected. So for anyone

50:32

who knows what fascia work is, fascia

50:34

work is body work. It's

50:36

like massage, but much more

50:38

kind of, I don't know, elaborate, painful, like you

50:40

can use whatever adjective you want. But

50:43

people who do fascia work believe,

50:46

and people who have had fascia work done, who

50:48

have experienced this, emotions come

50:50

up when certain parts of your

50:52

body, or in particular scars, are

50:55

manipulated. The notion is,

50:57

what is being released? What's that

50:59

wholeness? What is that connection? Many

51:01

people have a sense of

51:03

being outside of their body, or a sense

51:06

of being connected to a larger part of

51:08

their story when fascia work is being done.

51:11

This is one of those modalities that science

51:13

is finally saying, oh, there is

51:15

something here. And even Dr. Theis himself did

51:17

not realize that's what he was stumbling into.

51:20

Another example that he provides, which really

51:23

got me my head around it, was

51:25

that he just says that when we live in the

51:27

same house with someone, your

51:30

microbiome and their microbiome become

51:32

one microbiome. So he

51:35

talked about the interconnectedness of us

51:37

through our fascia, and

51:39

then began to describe the interconnectedness

51:41

of us to others, and

51:43

then described the interconnectedness of us to the

51:46

living system of the earth. And

51:48

so all of a sudden, when you start to put these pieces

51:50

together, you

51:52

start to see the puzzle of

51:55

us being a interconnected, one large

51:57

interconnected organism. And

52:00

in the last chunk of minutes that

52:02

we have here, what we'd like to do

52:04

is sort of talk about where we think

52:06

this intersection of science and spirituality might head

52:08

next. And some of this is things

52:10

that we hope. We're gonna start with a fun one. So

52:13

the fun one that we thought we'd start with, and

52:15

we're really only mentioning this because in this Elizabeth Crone

52:17

episode, this woman who didn't believe in auras, but all

52:19

of a sudden was seeing colors around people and didn't

52:22

even know what that was, right? Of

52:24

course she saw ghosts after her near-death experience. Of

52:26

course she did. That's what started happening. She started

52:28

getting visited by spirits. She started having a sense

52:31

of people in the room, right? So we're

52:33

calling this a fun one because I'm high

52:35

on the skeptical scale here of UFOs and

52:37

ghosts and spirits, but. Not all the same

52:40

thing, by the way. Right, not all the

52:42

same thing. But I do think it's

52:44

significant that we have this, these people

52:46

who have had significant physiological changes, right,

52:48

she was struck by lightning. We know

52:50

physiological things happen when you're struck by

52:52

lightning, right? And then there's this acquisition

52:55

of a set of behaviors, experiences,

52:58

and connectedness, this is bizarre

53:00

and possibly one day will be measurable, but I

53:02

don't know. Let's get a little more concrete.

53:05

Just as an explanation there, what

53:07

we're really talking about is can we

53:10

perceive things outside of our normal day,

53:12

everyday perception? Right. Which is similar

53:14

to. Well, and how do you measure that? And how do

53:16

you measure? The question is how do you measure that? But

53:18

to get a little more concrete, we mentioned holotropic

53:21

breath work, right? Memory retrieval. This

53:23

is something that I'm fascinated

53:25

with. I

53:28

want to see where this goes next. People

53:31

who have, anybody had EMDR here?

53:33

Anyone done EMDR? Okay, so EMDR

53:36

is a modality. We

53:38

don't really know, honestly, how it works,

53:40

but it allows people to access memories

53:44

and not just like, oh, I'm remembering things that

53:46

never happened, no. My mother

53:48

actually did EMDR. She's talking about it on our

53:50

podcast. She said it was like she was in

53:52

her childhood bedroom and she could look around and

53:55

walk around. She was not on drugs. It's like,

53:57

that's what EMDR is accessing. What

53:59

is this? memory retrieval, right? There

54:02

are people in holotropic breathwork, there was an

54:04

article in the New York Times last week,

54:06

people believe that they can access birth memories,

54:08

pre-verbal memories, and we used to say, like,

54:10

that's not a thing, right? Now,

54:12

I kind of feel like, and I hope

54:14

after today, like, I don't know, is that

54:16

a thing? Is there a place that

54:19

our body and our mind is

54:21

holding memory that we are able

54:23

to tap into? Do you

54:25

have to just get there with drugs? No, we've already talked

54:27

about, what is this altered state of consciousness

54:29

where you can pull this information, right?

54:32

Is that the body keeping the score? That's what it

54:34

sounds like to me. I've had

54:36

in utero memory, they're fantastic, I highly recommend

54:38

it. We don't have time to talk about your in utero

54:40

memories, but, someone

54:42

said, oh. But

54:45

we know, you know, from the trauma work

54:47

that we referenced, right, Van Derkhoek, and Peter

54:50

Levine and Gabour Montay, we know if the

54:52

body's keeping the score, right, what kind of

54:54

repress, what is a repressed memory? How

54:57

much are you allowed to challenge, right, what

54:59

I retrieve when I'm in an altered state,

55:03

and I know something to be true? I mean, it

55:05

brings up really, really complicated questions.

55:08

Intergenerational trauma, that's another place that we're

55:10

hearing talked about more and more. The

55:12

egg that you are was in your

55:14

grandmother's body, happy to discuss sexual gamete

55:16

formation, but that's how it works.

55:19

You weren't just in your mom, you were

55:21

in your grandma, right, that's when the gametes

55:23

were formed, that became you. What was your

55:25

grandmother holding, you know? The way that we

55:27

kind of talked about it, like, can you heal your

55:29

grandmother's unresolved issues? Is that what you're here to

55:31

do? If you've

55:33

ever been to a psychic, if you've ever been

55:35

to a healer, and they say you have ancestral

55:37

trauma, right, like, what is ancestral trauma? Is

55:40

this what we're talking about? I don't

55:42

know, that's what we're curious about. I mean,

55:44

another way to describe it is like, the energetic blueprint

55:47

that that

55:50

grandmother experienced, how much of that

55:52

is passed on to you, and how do we

55:54

experience that? Okay, so I want

55:56

to make sure we get to collective consciousness. Okay,

55:58

number three. Okay, but we're gonna.