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this. Hi,
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I'm Halle LeBont, and this is Mega coming to
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2:43
feeling like life has got you
2:45
locked up, Halle, I'm here to
2:47
tell you Jesus is the key.
2:52
What is up? I'm so excited to be here. Oh,
2:54
that is making me feel too blessed to be
2:56
stressed and way too grateful to be hateful. That
2:58
wasn't the best catchphrase I've ever had. I might try
3:00
to do it again. Maybe I'll
3:02
say... Yeah, I didn't follow it. Yeah.
3:05
If life, you know, if Jesus, if
3:07
you're in handcuffs and want to break
3:09
free, Jesus is the guy that you
3:12
want to see. How's that, Halle? I
3:14
love it. That one works. And who doesn't
3:16
love a rhyme that rhymes? That's
3:18
right. Am I right? That's what rhyme
3:21
means, I think. Well, just like Jesus
3:23
said, when you visit those imprisoned, you
3:25
visit me. Our guest today has been
3:27
on both sides of the bars. He
3:29
comes from our Barabbas ministry, our first
3:31
man we've ever had on the program
3:33
who's been into the clanker. It's my
3:36
pleasure to welcome to the program Pat
3:38
Oldman. How you feeling today, Pat? I'm
3:40
really good, Halle. I'm just, you
3:44
know, it's been a rough ride for me
3:46
and I'm really grateful to be here and
3:49
shining in the light of the Lord where
3:52
I can finally feel freedom
3:55
on my face and not
3:57
just the freedom of not being incarcerated
3:59
anymore. about the freedom of
4:02
the sun and the freedom of
4:04
life. And
4:06
I did want to ask about what is on your face.
4:09
Is that sunscreen, it seems
4:11
like maybe you got a lot of SPF
4:13
or something there? Yeah, I'm very pale. So,
4:16
you know, your name may be
4:18
gray, but
4:21
some of us are white,
4:24
very, very white. Ah,
4:26
that is funny. That
4:28
is really funny. Yeah,
4:30
I noticed, sometimes I
4:32
notice things like, a
4:36
lot of people wouldn't notice that your name's a
4:38
color, but I did. Yeah,
4:41
yeah, actually, I don't think I noticed up until
4:43
this point, but you know, for me, life
4:45
is pretty black and white and the only
4:47
gray that I know is me. You
4:52
know, I wanted to talk first to
4:54
you, Pat, about what
4:57
it was that got you
5:00
into prison in the first place. And I
5:02
know for a lot of people, this can
5:04
be a touchy subject, but
5:06
as someone who has been in,
5:08
seen the inside, and has emerged
5:10
with this new outlook on life
5:12
and a lot of sunscreen, what
5:15
was it that got you into prison?
5:18
You know, at first it wasn't
5:20
a thing I wanted to talk about because
5:22
frankly, it's embarrassing. Oh no, okay, yeah. But
5:24
now I feel like I have a story
5:27
to share and it's important
5:29
for other people to hear that story. So they
5:32
don't fall down the same ill-begotten
5:35
path that I fell down. That's right,
5:37
you have a beautiful testimony. And
5:39
I, you know, my
5:42
brain doesn't quite work like everyone else's brain.
5:44
That's why I noticed things like when someone's
5:46
name is a color. Right. And
5:50
in my earlier days, my rougher
5:52
days, I
5:55
did commit a murder. Yep. A
5:57
murder. Well, there was one.
5:59
hanging right next to Jesus. That's right,
6:01
that's right. And it's covered in the blood.
6:04
And that's why I went to prison because
6:07
it was a crime of passion,
6:10
honestly. I
6:13
was so upset that, you know, I just, for a
6:15
while, I just saw red and it was just like,
6:19
the drums were pounding and screaming in my
6:21
head and I just, I saw blood
6:25
and I just wanted blood and I
6:27
committed this murder and it's nothing I
6:29
am proud of. Wow. And I'm here
6:31
today to let your
6:33
listeners know, to let everyone at the church
6:36
know that you don't
6:38
have to do this. Awesome. If
6:40
you're angry. If you're angry. If
6:43
you, I mean, I think you two
6:45
are wonderful. I love the show. Oh. But
6:48
even you two, sometimes things make you angry.
6:50
It's just part of being alive. Right,
6:52
I'm not sure about, yeah. Yeah, you saw red
6:55
and it's testament to how white you are that
6:57
you're already out of the can or
7:00
whatever you call it. And, you know,
7:02
welcome back to your liberation. And
7:05
who did you kill? Was it your lady
7:07
friend to something? You said it was a crime
7:09
of passion. Yeah. Oh, that is, that
7:12
is the typical story, isn't it? Yeah. You
7:14
know, there's too many murders in this country
7:16
committed by the lovers
7:18
of women. But
7:21
no, I killed a high ranking member
7:23
of our military. Wow.
7:25
No. It's the
7:27
ultimate sin. I'm not very proud. I mean, I
7:30
guess it's the ultimate sin, but yeah. Wow.
7:33
Oh, it griefs the heart. How high
7:35
ranking are we talking in general? Colonel.
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Oh my. Okay. I think
7:40
that is, I think that's below general. It doesn't get much higher
7:42
than that. Oh, it doesn't? I don't know. I'm not sure the
7:44
ranking system, but that sounds real up there high. The one
7:46
thing I do know is Lieutenant Colonel is
7:49
below Colonel. Oh really? Which
7:51
seems backwards, right? Yeah, it seems like you got
7:53
more decoration. Yeah. What
7:56
about Lieutenant? I think
7:58
that must be. a
8:00
left-handed lieutenant? I don't know. That makes
8:02
sense. We only have three ranks actually
8:04
in the Australian military. It's a bit
8:07
different where we have lieutenant
8:09
at the top. Then we have
8:11
best boy and then we
8:13
have right tenant. So
8:15
you got right, best boy, left tenant.
8:18
And then there's a lot of little breakdowns in between
8:20
there but that's all based on status and who's kind
8:22
of stronger than who. But once you
8:24
get into one of those categories then it's a
8:26
wrestling match to see who leads the brigade. And
8:28
then the rest is kind
8:31
of, but Australia has never been in a war.
8:33
We don't really know what we're doing. So it's
8:35
a bit chaotic. Australia wasn't in World War II?
8:38
No, actually, as far as I know,
8:40
we were fighting our own world war.
8:42
Is that really? Yeah, well, there was
8:44
the Australian world war. Have you ever
8:46
heard of that? No, I haven't.
8:49
I'm fascinated. At that time and whenever that
8:51
was, we thought that the
8:53
world kind of ended somewhere around
8:55
New Zealand and north of Indonesia. So
8:57
we were kind of fighting our own
8:59
world war over there among
9:01
kind of Papua New Guinea. I
9:04
can't really, you know, this was old stuff. It was
9:06
way before I was born. Great. I'm
9:09
just so grateful that I served my time
9:11
and I'm free now so that I can
9:13
continue to learn and grow because
9:16
I had no idea. I just always assumed
9:18
Australia was in World War II. No.
9:21
But now I'm learning that Australia had its own
9:23
struggles. Yes. And that's really what
9:25
everyone needs to understand. If
9:28
you open your heart and understand that everyone
9:30
has their own struggles, then
9:32
you can be empathetic. And
9:35
that can allow you to not commit
9:37
murders. I
9:41
think empathy and
9:43
not murdered, that there's
9:46
a straight connection, there's a straight line there that
9:48
connects those two things. Yes. Yep,
9:50
and Pat, I'll tell you what, you don't
9:52
have a single fleck of salt and pepper
9:55
in your hair and your mustache and you
9:57
seem like such a young man to have
9:59
all- He already served all that time. I
10:01
know, it seems like he came out well
10:04
rested almost. You're still, you know. How
10:06
long were you in for? I was in
10:08
for a little over two
10:10
weeks. Two weeks? And it was
10:12
a brutal, brutal two weeks.
10:14
For murder? Wow, you would.
10:16
Well, I mean, yeah, it was a murder,
10:19
but you know how the state is, and
10:21
you know how they just have this revolving
10:23
door on prisons now. Yeah. And,
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10:28
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12:28
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12:33
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12:37
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12:39
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12:56
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12:58
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13:00
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13:02
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13:04
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13:07
But I know in my heart, it was a
13:09
murder. Right. And I have to live
13:12
with that every single
13:15
day. Do you have sunscreen in your eyes?
13:18
I've got a little sunscreen in my eyes. I
13:20
can't. Well, I just tried to
13:22
wipe it out with my finger. I have sunscreen all over
13:25
my finger, so I just have more sunscreen in my eyes.
13:27
Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, you're really- You know what would
13:29
help? You can't even open them, can you? I'd help if
13:31
I get this bottle of sunscreen, put some more sunscreen
13:33
on. You're gonna put sunscreen on the sunscreen? Oh, yeah.
13:35
Give me a minute. Oh.
13:38
Yeah, okay. I haven't seen zinc like that
13:40
in a long time. That's a kind of old
13:42
school style. Yeah, I really like the white. I
13:44
just like the stripes of white. Oh, yes.
13:47
To really like make sure that
13:49
I'm getting the most protection possible
13:51
because the sun will
13:53
kill me. Oh, wow. And
13:55
I don't mean that as like a metaphor.
13:58
Okay. I'm gonna get cancer, I mean. I
14:00
know that the sun will
14:02
kill me. Is that right? Like if you, well,
14:04
I think the sun will probably kill everybody, right?
14:06
If you get too close to it, is that
14:09
what you're saying? I think that my fate has
14:11
been laid out before me in a vision and
14:13
the sun will kill me. You
14:15
had a vision that you would die by
14:18
what? The sun? On
14:20
my last day in prison. So day 13.
14:24
Day 13. I
14:26
found the parabas.
14:30
Teachings through your church. And
14:33
the program helped me. And they
14:35
said, well, you know, if you're gonna be here
14:37
for a while, we're
14:39
gonna have you go through a lot
14:42
of counseling and we're gonna have you talk to someone
14:44
about a job placement. I'm like, I'm out of here
14:46
tomorrow. What can you do for me in 24 hours?
14:50
Wow. But I opened
14:52
my ears and my eyes and my
14:54
heart. And in that 24 hours, I
14:56
learned a lot about Jesus. I
14:59
learned his last name is Christ. I
15:01
always thought that was just a saying. Oh,
15:03
so did I actually, I don't think I really
15:05
knew that. And then I found out it is a
15:08
saying, but you're not supposed to say it. Right, yeah,
15:10
never. And that gee whiz was a thing that
15:12
people made up so they didn't have to say
15:14
it. Did you know that? Wow. I
15:16
can't believe they taught you this in there. That's amazing. That's a
15:18
lot to learn in one day. It was a
15:20
lot to learn. And I learned that I can be
15:23
saved. And then I went to
15:25
sleep that night and I dreamed that the son
15:27
was gonna kill me with
15:29
a gun. And then I
15:31
woke up and I asked, oh, I'm sorry. I was
15:33
only there for a few hours. What was her name?
15:36
Our prison ministry minister. Her name is
15:38
Pat as well. Same name is
15:40
you. She's a very masculine, big-boned
15:43
straight woman. Yeah. That's
15:45
right, Pat. I should have remembered that. I
15:47
can't believe I didn't remember that. A lot of people only
15:49
remember sort of a haircut, which looks
15:51
like one of those old-timey football helmets with the
15:53
leather straps on the side. Yeah. I
15:55
thought it was becoming though. Yeah. It was becoming
15:57
something and I was hoping it would become a-
16:00
a lot longer haircut, but she keeps cutting it
16:02
back that same way. Right. Well, you know, if
16:04
you're working in a prison with people, you don't
16:06
want to, you know, it can get gross in
16:08
there, I hear. Right. Oh wait, so you
16:11
weren't actually in prison? Were you, like how
16:13
did, I thought, I thought prison was longer.
16:15
Yeah. Yeah. Well, it was
16:17
sort of like a mistake. I was, okay.
16:19
So they, they've argued it down to a misdemeanor.
16:22
Okay. And I was supposed to go
16:24
to jail, but I got on the wrong bus and
16:26
I ended up in prison and
16:28
I started talking to them and they're like, you're not
16:30
supposed to be here. And they like, so I was
16:32
kind of like, I was mostly waiting in the office.
16:34
Did they have just like willy nilly buses that you
16:36
could get on? What kind of, it was a prison
16:38
bus? Or are you just getting on the wrong Greyhound
16:40
or something? Yeah. When they got you in
16:42
holding, there's a day where they're like, get on the bus. Okay. Really?
16:47
Yeah. But I guess, I've been avoiding this. It's
16:49
the hardest part of what I got to do, but I have a
16:51
story to tell and I'm going to tell it. I
16:55
was hungry one day. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
16:57
And I was driving out
17:01
to Carmel. Yep, yep, yep. Most
17:04
beautiful place in Indiana. And I, before
17:06
I got there to see my mother, may
17:09
she rest in peace. She died while I was in prison.
17:12
Oh no. What are the odds?
17:14
It was day 13. Really?
17:17
Oh, what a bummer. But
17:19
I was on my way to visit her and I was
17:21
like, well, she's not going to have food ready. So I
17:23
should probably stop and get something to eat. And I went
17:27
to a KFC and I ordered a double down. And
17:30
they're like, we don't do that anymore. And
17:33
I said, what? I'm
17:37
like, you've got chicken, right? And
17:41
you've got other chicken. You could put
17:43
between the chicken, other thing. You can make a double
17:45
down. You can put two pieces of chicken and make
17:47
it the bread. Right? Still?
17:50
And I'm like, we're sorry, we don't do that. Now
17:52
is it double down with the chicken, with the bread,
17:54
is chicken? The bread is chicken. So
17:56
it's chicken with chicken in between. It's a
17:58
chicken bun holding. and a piece of chicken. That's
18:01
right. Really. And I said, I saw red.
18:05
Yep. Oh no. Because there's a
18:07
lot of red in that, in
18:09
a cave. So, you know, predominantly red. But
18:13
it's also a metaphor of
18:15
the way I felt. And I
18:17
was so mad at this worker
18:19
who denied me a
18:23
double down chicken sandwich that
18:27
I went crazy. And
18:32
they had a full size, life size
18:34
Colonel Sanders statue. And I just, I
18:36
just, I choked it and I punched
18:38
it. And I took out my
18:41
pocket knife. I've got a little Swiss army pocket knife.
18:43
I just stabbed it over and over and over and
18:45
over again. And
18:47
in the course of this happening, this worker comes
18:50
out from behind the counter and is like, what
18:52
are you doing? And I was
18:54
like, I'm murdering Colonel Sanders. And
18:57
that's how they're able to talk it down to a
18:59
misdemeanor. But in my heart, I
19:02
know it was a murder. Wait, yeah. Okay.
19:04
So. Yeah. Well, there was motive and there was
19:07
intent. I mean, was, I mean, but is, would
19:10
you consider Colonel Sanders a high ranking member
19:12
of the armed services? In that moment,
19:15
to me, Colonel Sanders was really there.
19:17
And it had the real Colonel Sanders
19:19
been standing there. I would have killed
19:21
him. And I don't know exactly
19:23
how he got
19:25
his rank. I imagine
19:27
it was during World War II. I mean, he's not
19:29
even that the Australians famously were not in. Right.
19:32
But he's not even at the top of the
19:34
chicken ranking. I mean, it's just like, he's
19:36
kind of a mid ranking. What?
19:40
It just, I'm sorry to kind
19:42
of go back to your story here, but I really thought
19:44
that you had killed an alive man.
19:47
In my mind. In the,
19:49
right. And Colonel Sanders was once a very
19:51
real human being, just like Jesus. And Colonel
19:54
Sanders was a Colonel in the U S
19:56
army. So I thought, I mean, at least
19:58
it would have been funny. if you
20:00
killed Jim Gaffigan or something, because I
20:02
think he did those for a while.
20:04
But, and I'm sorry
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to say fun, but it's just like, I
20:09
guess this makes a little more sense why you're
20:11
only in- That's how you got out so fast. I mean, were you in
20:13
jail, not actual prison? Were you just down
20:15
at the county jail? Yeah, yeah,
20:18
I think that's, yeah, they call it, yeah,
20:21
I call it prison because
20:23
it's, there's, they
20:25
lock you up in it. That's a prison, right? Yeah,
20:28
well, you're lucky, because if you got on
20:30
the- Whoa, whoa, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.
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22:10
went to prison and they, I think,
22:12
rejected you, which you're very lucky about because
22:14
I have seen it in Shawshank Redemption that
22:16
these guys, their life is in there. They
22:18
fall in love with it. They go to
22:20
the library, they drink cold beer, they hang
22:22
out with their friends, they play games, you
22:24
know, they read books they're having the time
22:26
of their life. If you try to drag
22:28
them out of there, you know, they'll take
22:31
their own life. Yeah, but I mean, this
22:33
guy, I mean, I'm sorry, Pat, but you
22:35
know, you said you, when you emailed
22:37
us, you said, my life
22:39
has been changed by the prison ministry. I'm
22:41
a murderer. That's been reformed. Yeah. And
22:44
now we're finding out that you spent two weeks after killing
22:46
a statue outside the KFC. And I'm
22:48
sorry your mom died, but it's just a bit,
22:50
you know, I mean, did she really die? Is
22:52
your mom dead? She's very sick. Okay. So
22:54
she's not, she's not even, she's not
22:57
even dead yet. So, Pat
22:59
was, Pat was very clear that
23:01
I should not be there, but I
23:03
still listen to her teachings and she
23:05
changed my life. And I,
23:07
if she wasn't a married woman, I'd be
23:09
proposing to her right now because she opened
23:12
a door to
23:14
me that I didn't think
23:16
could be opened. And that door was
23:19
the door of Jesus can save you.
23:21
You didn't have to kill this statue,
23:23
but you did. And now you are
23:26
forgiven. That's all I wanted was to
23:28
be forgiven. Yep. Well, yeah, I
23:30
think, I think that was something that probably didn't even need
23:32
Jesus to forgive you for. Cause
23:34
it's not real. I mean, it's just kind of an act
23:36
of vandalism. If this helps you,
23:38
Gray, according to the Bible, Pat
23:42
is a murderer because God says he looks
23:44
at the intent of your heart. If you
23:46
look a woman, if you look at a
23:48
woman's flesh as if to sleep with her
23:50
in God's mind, guess what? You've
23:53
already procreated with her just by looking
23:55
at her rear end, you know, just
23:57
by just by Pat wanting to viciously
23:59
stab. a Colonel who was once
24:01
alive to death in
24:03
God's eyes. Pat, you're
24:06
a full-blown murder. First degree. Put that in your Pat and
24:08
smoke it. Is that thing about women true? That
24:11
is true. That in God's eyes,
24:13
if you look at a woman
24:15
lustfully in God's mind, you've
24:17
already slept with her. So if you've looked
24:19
at the rumps of 200 women in your
24:22
life, you've had sex with 200 women
24:24
in the eyes of God. And thank goodness I have
24:27
never done that because I don't even
24:29
think about that stuff. But I guess,
24:31
you know, Pat, are you okay? Is
24:34
getting the stuff in your mouth? I feel like
24:36
I've got a lot of sins to atone for.
24:38
I think you just got some more sunscreen in
24:40
your eyes. You just keep wiping the... How
24:44
does that sunscreen not soak into your skin? It's
24:46
just like, it's as if you put, it's
24:48
like as if you put on some, you know, makeup.
24:51
I start with my base layer in the morning.
24:53
And then this is the sunscreen that goes on top
24:56
of the base. Okay. I'm not really, I guess, asking
24:58
exactly how it works. But then I have to drink
25:00
a glass of sunscreen and
25:02
make sure my insides are coated as
25:04
well. Oh, wow. That doesn't work. Wow.
25:06
I've always wished there was a sunscreen pill you
25:08
could take and it would just work topically all
25:11
over your whole body for SPF. That is such
25:13
a good idea. Or a bath oil where you
25:15
could just dip your whole body in the bathtub
25:17
and it just puts sunscreen on every single inch
25:20
of your surface area of your epidermis. You
25:22
are, you're a brilliant woman and these
25:25
are fantastic ideas. I'm so sorry that
25:27
I've sinned with you. Oh
25:29
my goodness. Okay. I'm just gonna have
25:31
to turn. Oh Pat, you know what?
25:33
It's not your fault. I tell you
25:35
what, I've had reductions three times and
25:37
they come back every single time. And
25:39
if these big things have
25:41
caused these glands, I, they
25:44
cause good and upright men to stumble. If I
25:46
can offer you a word basket of encouragement, you
25:49
know what? It's covered in the blood, my
25:51
man. Yeah. Well, I'm so sorry. It's fine.
25:53
Like, can we, here's the thing is
25:55
I was pretty excited because I never talked to a murderer
25:57
before. And now you have. And now it just seems like we've
25:59
got. I mean, what's the worst thing
26:01
you've done? Because maybe we can at
26:03
least talk about that because it
26:06
seems like, you know, knocking the head
26:08
off of a statue when your mom's a bit
26:11
sick and then getting on the wrong bus just
26:13
doesn't, I just don't wanna, it's
26:16
not the promise of the premise. You know what I
26:18
mean? I forgot to tell you that, that was the
26:20
best part. There was a big chicken leg, you know,
26:22
like a fake one, like a- A
26:24
drumstick? Yeah, like a
26:26
drumstick, like a polyurethane drumstick. And I
26:29
just like, I just whacked the
26:31
head and it came clean off in one shot. That
26:33
was pretty great. Wow, with
26:35
a prop, dumbstick. With a
26:37
prop, prop stick. That's right. Hallie,
26:40
okay, so- Drumstick. Yeah,
26:42
drumstick. Okay, so Pat, are
26:47
you married? I've been engaged
26:49
four times. Okay, I guess that would explain
26:51
the four rings on each of
26:53
the four rings stacked on the finger there. Those
26:56
are all different, they look like
26:58
female diamond engagement rings. I know, that's
27:00
the only other thing that stood out to me
27:02
except for the sunscreen. I've been engaged four times,
27:04
this same woman. She always gives the ring back.
27:07
I always buy a new ring. Now, was that something
27:09
that happened when you were inside? Because I've heard
27:11
a lot, a lot of times women will
27:14
fall in love with men on the
27:16
inside of prison because
27:19
they start writing letters, you know. I heard that
27:21
Marilyn Manson, when he was in prison, people
27:24
would write on letters all the time. Somebody even married him. Two
27:27
of them were before I was in
27:29
prison. One was while I was in prison and one
27:31
was, see, I got out of prison,
27:34
what's today? Tuesday. Yeah, I
27:36
got out of prison yesterday. So
27:38
the other one was this morning. Okay,
27:41
so you got in prison yesterday. The email,
27:43
we must have been the first email you
27:45
sent being like, I gotta get on the-
27:47
Yeah, Pat said I should email you right
27:49
away. And I was like, absolutely, I can't
27:51
wait to like, start my new career as
27:53
a social influencer. Oh my God. Oh, so
27:55
this is kind of a part of your
27:57
whole thing to get a bit of clout.
27:59
Well, I'm-
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