Paul Seils interviews Michael Proper from Clear United, a new phone provider that is helping us navigate the new issues of privacy (or lack of) in this digital world. How can we keep ourselves safe and how we can keep ownership of our data. 

An insightful conversation with someone who has spent years understanding what is really going on and has been aggregating and developing technologies around personal data ownership and security for nearly 20 years.

Visit clearunited.com/m/r/mftu to find out more about Michael and his work.

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