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literally the very first and lacking

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mine was. She went that

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far be caught dead the way

1:05

she is gone and that is

1:07

support. I mean by. Consistent I

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got involved in x I saw the

1:12

missing flyer on Facebook and thought to

1:14

myself that we're like the all about

1:16

messing around here. With over thirty

1:19

thousand signatures on a change.org petition

1:21

asking authorities to review how death,

1:23

what's more. She was

1:25

carrying an shows. Had

1:28

a serene is how she's really

1:30

patient with me. She's just let

1:32

me hang out there like ours

1:34

now with the college kids was

1:36

the have a really special for

1:38

real Miss Lane. She never judged,

1:40

never judge me, always loved me

1:42

up she would always beautiful as

1:44

I mean just anything from just

1:46

to. Notify. Just

1:48

Know. You see no activity and

1:50

all the neighbors outside seen all the cop

1:52

cars he that the of sticking with to

1:55

the police station. you know you have people

1:57

that never saw her in that she was

1:59

already clearly. In

2:03

the month leading up to this project, we petitioned the

2:05

office of Jason Williams, the DA of New Orleans, more

2:07

times than we can recall. It's also been

2:09

difficult to hear anything from the New

2:11

Orleans Police Department. Still ruled

2:13

Jessica's death is unclassified. No suspects

2:16

have been identified. Jessica wasn't just

2:18

trash that was thrown away. Why

2:21

did it take so long for the coroner to release

2:23

her body? Mexican didn't give

2:25

a shit about it. So you feel

2:27

there is some type of cover-up? However

2:30

small the cover-up is, it's

2:32

been brushed. No anyone in the car. What

2:35

is that? The only advocate for

2:37

your family will be you. Do

2:40

you think there's any alternative potential

2:42

theories to what happened? No.

2:46

I feel disburdered. On

3:02

today's episode of Mile Higher, there are

3:04

so many possibilities of what happened. The

3:06

police did not help whatsoever. A case

3:08

that first happened back in the 80s,

3:10

Duncan McPherson. They already have their hunches,

3:13

you know what I mean? Yeah, of

3:15

course. You're trying to dismiss all this

3:17

investigation they've just done. I mean I

3:19

think it is possible for him to

3:21

have covered up with the machinery and

3:23

the fact that the machinery wasn't checked for so long.

3:26

Well at this point we f***ed up so

3:28

it's gonna look bad if we admit that

3:30

we didn't do anything. They would have had

3:32

to cover this up somehow. I don't know,

3:35

something is just, my intuition is telling me

3:37

it was just one person. They drained their

3:39

whole retirement savings to solve this case basically

3:41

without any help. Hey,

4:00

what's up everybody? Welcome back to

4:02

Mile Higher Podcast, episode 280. I

4:06

am your host, Kendall. And I'm your host, Josh.

4:09

And we are joined by our producer, Janelle. Hello.

4:12

What up? So today we're gonna be looking

4:14

at a case that first happened

4:16

back in the 80s, late 80s. And

4:20

this family has been through so

4:22

much since then, trying to

4:24

figure out what happened to their

4:27

son, Duncan McPherson. They

4:30

searched for him for 14 years. And

4:33

thankfully they never gave up because it's

4:36

due to their efforts and perseverance that this case

4:38

has gotten to where it is. But it's still

4:41

unsolved to this day. I wanna jump in and

4:43

say this is another case where the

4:45

police did not help whatsoever. And

4:48

they made things worse. Yeah, they actually

4:50

did make things worse because they basically

4:53

closed it, said, hey, this is

4:55

an accident. But the

4:57

forensic evidence suggests otherwise. And they

5:00

straight up did not do any

5:02

forensic investigation into

5:05

the suspicious death of this pro hockey

5:07

player, Duncan McPherson, at all. And

5:09

it doesn't just suggest foul play.

5:11

I mean, it's without

5:13

a doubt when you hear the evidence

5:15

here. Absolutely mind blowing. Cover up.

5:19

For sure, cover up. Which we've been doing lots

5:21

of cover ups here lately on Mile Higher Podcast.

5:23

I find cover ups very fascinating. And that's what

5:25

really needs to be talked about. Before we get

5:28

into the case though, at the beginning of this

5:30

episode, you saw our final trailer for our documentary,

5:33

530 Days, it is coming out on

5:35

December 19th to the

5:37

True Crime with Kendall Rae YouTube channel. If

5:40

you haven't heard, it's on the Jessica Easterly

5:42

case. We flew down to New Orleans and

5:44

filmed with her family for a

5:46

few days. And we were just blown

5:50

away with the corruption down in New

5:52

Orleans and how this case has been

5:54

mishandled for so long. Yeah, I think

5:56

it will truly shock you when

5:59

you finally watch this. And just I mean we

6:01

were shocked we were in shock the entire time we were

6:03

down there We're like is this real is

6:05

it really this bad? It's that bad and

6:08

it just yeah It's

6:11

one that is very very frustrating

6:13

and we'll probably leave you very angry Which

6:16

we hope you'll then turn that

6:18

anger into action. Yes, because

6:20

this this this family needs justice

6:23

But we have really poured our heart and soul into

6:25

this project We have been working on it since

6:27

the beginning of the year and honestly started the

6:29

process Even before that and then things

6:31

got slowed down due to kovat and my pregnancy

6:33

and everything But we're so excited to

6:35

finally share what we've been working on with

6:38

you all for so long Absolutely.

6:41

I'm excited for it. I'm a little nervous

6:44

Just because I'm sorry much into it, you know Yeah,

6:46

I think I think people are also excited

6:49

and are gonna love it no matter what so I do

6:51

too It's gonna be amazing. So

6:54

yes, please mark your calendar December 19th on

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7:56

Duncan Alvin McPherson was born on February

7:58

3rd in

8:00

Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada to his

8:02

parents Bob and Linda McPherson.

8:05

He had a younger brother named Derek. Duncan had

8:07

a dog named Jake and a girlfriend

8:09

named Tara and Duncan always

8:11

loved nature just like his

8:14

dad. He was a spontaneous,

8:16

free-spirited and irresistibly charming person.

8:19

He was also brave and he had a fighting spirit

8:21

which helped him a lot in his career. Duncan

8:23

was a hockey player and he'd always just

8:26

loved the sport. He'd been playing since he

8:28

was a kid but it wasn't just a

8:30

hobby it was his career. In the early

8:32

80s he started playing in the major junior

8:34

league hockey team Saskatoon Blades and

8:37

he was a star defenseman and

8:39

he worked hard on that team

8:41

and it didn't go unnoticed. In

8:43

1984 he was a first-round NHL

8:45

draft pick 20th overall. He was drafted

8:47

to the New York Islanders and in

8:49

preparation for his NHL career he played

8:52

in the minor leagues for the Springfield

8:54

Indians, AHL and the Indianapolis

8:56

ice IHL. Duncan was

8:58

a fighter on the ice and this

9:00

spirit earned him the nickname McPherson. One

9:03

story from his time on the Saskatoon

9:05

Blades shows just how accurate that nickname

9:07

was. Blades were set to

9:09

play their biggest rival, the Regina Pats,

9:11

who just got an intimidating new enforcer.

9:13

Now I had no idea what an

9:15

enforcer was, this was interesting to me,

9:17

but an enforcer or also known as

9:20

a goon has the unofficial role of

9:22

intimidating the other team, basically fighting rather

9:24

than point scoring. During an

9:26

interview the Pats enforcer said the score

9:28

didn't matter to him he just wanted to

9:31

sort out Duncan. Duncan's teammates asked

9:33

what he thought about these fighting words and Duncan

9:35

replied I'll take care of it. Sure

9:37

enough as soon as the game started Duncan went

9:39

right to the enforcer and sorted

9:42

him out and his victory

9:44

in this fight won him hometown hero status

9:46

but with frequent fighting comes frequent

9:48

injuries so Duncan was injured pretty

9:50

often and as a result he

9:52

was released by the Islanders. So

9:55

his career in the big leagues the NHL

9:57

was cut short and this was no doubt

9:59

a disappointment into Duncan of course but he

10:01

handled it with a surprising amount of grace. In fact

10:04

he didn't want to use his injuries as an excuse.

10:07

In a TV interview he put it quite simply

10:09

quote, down in the minors you play

10:11

the best you can and if you're not meant to

10:13

be a superstar well there's nothing you

10:15

can do about it. Here's more of what Duncan had

10:17

to say. I guess

10:20

they kind of just had plans for

10:22

me and I never lived

10:24

up to them right off the bat and things kind of

10:26

just turned the other way. I

10:29

just want to try getting away from here and see if

10:31

hockey can be fun again. As

10:34

you can see he just has a

10:36

great attitude about everything. Duncan

10:38

loved the game of hockey. He loved being

10:40

on the ice and he loved his

10:43

teammates but he didn't like the organizations

10:45

themselves. The business sort of side

10:47

of the league and the team. He

10:49

wanted to just play hockey and not deal with the

10:51

administrators and all the politics. So now

10:53

Duncan was considering other paths like going to

10:56

college to study biology. He was a

10:58

nature lover so this was a natural fit for

11:00

him. Speaking of which he dreamed of hiking the

11:02

Appalachian Trail. He was able to complete the stream

11:04

but after he got back home he came down

11:06

with Lyme disease. He spent a long while recovering from

11:08

this illness and after he did he was trying to figure

11:10

out what his next move would be. One

11:13

day Duncan told Linda that he was approached

11:15

by someone with an odd proposal. The man

11:17

said he was a recruiter for the CIA

11:20

and wanted Duncan to work for them. If

11:22

you remember the Cold War was still going

11:25

on in 1989 and hockey players could

11:27

make it past the Iron Curtain. But

11:29

Duncan didn't want to change his identity and separate

11:31

from his family but it was definitely an interesting

11:33

offer for him. But a better one

11:35

came knocking soon after. One day

11:38

Duncan got a call from a guy named Ron Dixon.

11:40

He was a businessman from Vancouver just bought

11:42

a hockey team in Scotland called the

11:44

Dundee Tigers. Ron had never met

11:47

Duncan but he offered him the head coaching job

11:49

and a generous salary. Duncan was

11:51

definitely intrigued but this Ron guy was sort of

11:53

a mystery. It was rumored that the

11:55

name Ron Dixon was actually an alias and he

11:57

was kind of unclear about the specifics of the

12:00

whole thing. Duncan worried that the guy was sort

12:02

of a bullshitter and the whole thing was too good to be

12:04

true. But he decided to take

12:06

the job anyway. His start date was in mid-August

12:08

1989 and that left the first

12:10

half of the month open. Duncan thought

12:12

he would spend that time in Europe sightseeing and catching

12:15

up with hockey friends who had also taken up jobs

12:17

there. The plan was to fly out of Saskatoon on

12:19

August 2nd 1989, he would travel

12:21

to Nuremberg where he would stay with his

12:23

friend George Pasout. While he was there he

12:25

would borrow George's car, a red Opal Corsa.

12:27

Duncan would stay with his friend Roger Corco

12:29

and Fusin after that do some sightseeing on

12:31

his own and then make it back to

12:33

Nuremberg by the 11th at the latest. From

12:36

Nuremberg he'd fly to Glasgow on the 12th

12:38

and make his way to Dundee where he'd then

12:41

start work. For the plane ride to Nuremberg Duncan

12:43

brought along a copy of the book titled

12:45

Touching the Void. It's

12:47

the true story of a mountaineer who

12:50

survived the fall of a mountain into

12:52

a glacier crevasse. Linda kissed Duncan goodbye

12:54

on August 2nd 1989 but she had

12:56

no idea that this would be the

12:58

last time you'd see him. By

13:00

all accounts Duncan's trip to Europe was going

13:03

well. After leaving George's place he stayed with

13:05

his friend Roger as planned and on the

13:07

8th he left Fusin and drove south towards

13:09

Austria and Italy to do some sightseeing.

13:12

He was due in Nuremberg on the 11th

13:14

at the latest so this was a decently

13:16

quick turnaround time to see the area before

13:19

heading to Dundee. On the

13:21

night of the 8th he stopped to spend

13:23

the night in Innsbruck, Austria, a world famous

13:25

ski town. When he got there Duncan

13:27

decided to go snowboarding at the local

13:29

resort, the Stuwe Glacier on the morning

13:32

of the 9th. Now Duncan

13:34

was just a beginner at snowboarding so he decided

13:36

to head to the ski school and sign up

13:38

for a lesson and he also needed to rent

13:40

gear. To get to the ski school

13:42

and the gear shop Duncan needed to take the

13:44

gondola ride from the main parking lot up

13:47

to the Eisgrat Mountain Station. So

13:49

he rode the gondola, rented

13:51

equipment from the sports shop 3000

13:53

and then met instructor Walter Hinterhosel

13:56

at 10am. Now keep in mind most

13:58

slopes at the resort closed in June,

14:00

but some stayed open year round. Given

14:03

the elevation and alpine climate, there's pretty

14:05

much always snow, so skiing in August

14:07

is still very possible, although the snow

14:09

isn't as good. And the only slope

14:12

open that day was the Schaffel Serenno.

14:14

So they had the lesson and then Duncan ate

14:16

lunch with Walter and then after that he purchased

14:18

a new sweatshirt from the sports shop

14:21

because his ended up getting soaking wet

14:23

during his lesson. Duncan took

14:25

to snowboarding pretty naturally though and after

14:27

the lesson Duncan decided to do some

14:29

snowboarding solo. He and Walter parted ways

14:31

and that was that. But after this

14:33

Duncan was never heard from or seen

14:36

alive again. Now meanwhile back

14:38

in Saskatoon on the night of

14:40

August 11th Linda woke up screaming.

14:42

She had had a terrible nightmare and her

14:45

cries woke up her husband Bob who tried

14:47

to console her and she told him, and

14:49

this is crazy, something terrible

14:51

has happened to Duncan. That

14:54

is mother's intuition. On

14:56

August 12th Duncan failed to show

14:58

up as expected for his flight

15:00

to Glasgow and Linda's anxiety grew

15:02

significantly by the 14th. Duncan

15:04

had promised to call her that day after

15:06

he had gotten settled with his new job

15:08

but he never did. On August 16th one

15:11

of Duncan's hockey buddies called Linda and asked

15:13

if she had heard from Duncan. She

15:15

told him that she was waiting for his call once he

15:17

got settled with his new job. That friend

15:19

told her that he'd actually just talked to

15:21

the team manager and Duncan hadn't

15:24

made it to Scotland and

15:26

obviously hearing this made Linda's stomach drop.

15:28

Soon after this call Linda went to

15:30

the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and tried

15:32

to report Duncan missing and

15:34

what they told her was absolutely

15:36

stunning. They responded quote,

15:39

we don't handle missing persons

15:41

cases on the weekend.

15:43

Call back on Monday morning during

15:45

regular office hours. Which is so

15:47

insane. This is the police. Oh

15:50

my god. Should have gone missing on next Monday.

15:52

Yeah what the hell? I mean

15:54

this was the 80s but still it's

15:57

so shocking. Well then who's

15:59

there to look for people on the weekends. Who do

16:01

you call them? No one, they don't do anything on the weekend. They

16:03

just... We're off, sorry. Monday

16:05

morning 8am. It's, yeah,

16:08

it's just completely black. And

16:10

this was just the first of many warning

16:12

signs that the police in Canada and abroad

16:14

were not going to find Duncan. The McPherson's

16:17

knew that they were going to have to

16:19

do it themselves, which is just infuriating and

16:21

happens way too often. When they

16:23

finally did get through to the RCMP, they

16:25

were assured that an Interpol Bulletin would be

16:27

sent out all over central Europe. If

16:29

Duncan tried to cross any borders, they'd be

16:31

notified. If he ended up in some jail,

16:33

they'd be notified. If he showed up at

16:35

any airport, they would be notified.

16:38

This bulletin would be sent to all the border

16:40

crossings and police stations in the area, so authorities

16:43

in Europe would be well aware of Duncan's

16:45

disappearance and they'd be on the lookout for him. At

16:48

least that's what the McPherson's thought, because

16:50

that's what police told them. But they would

16:52

come to find out that this was not

16:54

the case. The RCMP didn't send

16:56

the bulletin as promised. Days

16:59

turned into a week without any sign

17:01

of Duncan, and the McPherson's couldn't sit

17:03

in Canada and wait any longer for authorities to search

17:05

for him. They knew they needed to

17:07

try and find their son themselves. So

17:10

on the 23rd, they flew to Europe. They

17:12

came ready with 2,000 missing persons flyers in

17:15

their suitcases, and they spent the next three

17:17

weeks searching all over central Europe for Duncan.

17:19

They were starting from scratch with basically no leads

17:21

to go on, and nobody really had any

17:23

idea where Duncan went after the 8th. Once

17:26

they arrived in Nuremberg, they went to the police station. The

17:29

officers speaking to them did not seem at all concerned

17:31

about their son. In fact, he told them not

17:33

to worry. Duncan probably just met a

17:35

beautiful girl and was out having the

17:37

time of his life. Obviously,

17:40

the McPherson's knew their son better than he did,

17:42

and they knew that that was bullshit. Duncan

17:44

had a beautiful girlfriend back home, and

17:47

he'd never just go without contacting his family or

17:49

anyone like this. Lyndon told the

17:51

officer that Duncan had not cashed a traveler's

17:53

check since August 7th. His response

17:55

was, the girl must be

17:58

rich as well. From there, they went to the police station. After

18:00

the happy holidays travel agency, this was the

18:02

last location Duncan had used a trailer's check.

18:05

The agent there recognized his photo and confirmed he made a

18:07

deposit for an August 12th flight to

18:09

Glasgow. Duncan was due back to

18:11

pick up the plane ticket on the 11th but he never

18:13

showed. After that the McPherson's went to

18:16

his friend Roger Corco's house in Fuson where Duncan

18:18

had stayed on the 7th. Duncan's

18:20

plans had been pretty fluid and he told Roger

18:22

that he was thinking of heading to Italy, maybe

18:24

to see a friend in Bolzano or

18:26

go windsurfing in Lake Garda. But

18:28

he wasn't specific meaning that he hadn't told anyone where

18:30

he ended up staying that night. The

18:33

only tip they had to go on was that he

18:35

left Fuson on the 8th and was headed towards Austria

18:37

and Italy. So that left the

18:39

McPherson's with a huge area to search. So

18:41

now they could make some guesses. They did know

18:43

that Duncan was on a time crunch site seeing

18:46

wise. So he would have had stayed

18:48

in that region to make it back to Nuremberg

18:50

in time. They left Nuremberg in

18:52

a rental car and started heading south. When

18:55

they reached Nuremberg they decided to stop for the night.

18:58

The next morning when Linda opened the curtains she

19:00

was greeted with a gorgeous view. It looks absolutely

19:03

stunning. The Austrian Alps is

19:05

beautiful. Yeah, unreal. She knew

19:07

instantly that Duncan was here. It

19:09

was such a beautiful place. There was no doubt

19:11

he would have stopped to stay at least one

19:13

night. She had worried that Duncan

19:16

had gone driving around in Nuremberg and

19:18

lost control of the car maybe and crashed into a

19:20

wooded area that concealed the car.

19:23

So they went to the Nuremberg police and once

19:25

again they had no idea who Duncan was or

19:27

that he was missing and once again they had

19:30

to explain what should have been sent out in

19:32

the form of an Interpol notice. But

19:34

the Nuremberg police were just about as helpful as

19:36

the RCMP unfortunately. The

19:39

officer literally told them that nothing bad happens

19:41

in Austria because the crime rate was so

19:43

low and Duncan was surely fine. He was

19:46

a big strong guy who could fend for

19:48

himself and the Turolian police were

19:50

confident that Duncan was not in the

19:52

area. They said that his car would have been found

19:54

even if it was in a wreck because hikers were

19:57

all over the area. They also said that an

19:59

abandoned car was not in the area. would have been reported

20:01

because in the mountain area, an abandoned

20:03

car would have signaled that a hiker

20:05

had been stuck in an accident somewhere.

20:07

So they reassured them that they would

20:09

notify all police stations in Tyrol about

20:12

Duncan. They'd be on the lookout,

20:14

so Bob and Linda continued on to Lake

20:16

Garda. Once they got to the Italian border,

20:18

they asked about Duncan. And the

20:20

border crossing agents, again, had no idea

20:22

who Duncan was, and they hadn't

20:24

been on the lookout for his car because

20:27

they clearly hadn't gotten an Interpol Bulletin that

20:29

the RCMP had promised to file. And when

20:31

they got to Bolzano, the police fair,

20:33

also didn't know about Duncan's disappearance. And

20:36

Linda was incredibly frustrated, as you

20:38

can imagine. She called the RCMP to ask

20:40

why the bulletin hadn't been sent out, and

20:42

the officer promised to file the report with

20:44

Interpol again. They spent the whole

20:46

day searching around Lake Garda, and they tried Switzerland

20:49

on the 7th. And again, the border

20:51

control in Switzerland had no idea

20:53

who Duncan was. The bulletin still

20:55

hadn't been sent out, and it was

20:57

so frustrating having to try and explain

21:00

over and over again what was going

21:02

on, especially with the language barrier. So

21:04

for Dave, who drove around Switzerland, pulling

21:06

over to check wooded areas, making an

21:09

exhausting amount of stops with no clear

21:11

place to look. And then finally,

21:13

on September 14th, they drove back

21:15

to Innsbruck. Linda had a hunch that

21:17

Duncan was still there. That day, they

21:19

reached out to the Innsbruck police headquarters and

21:21

spoke with Officer Heinz Dorn. And

21:24

surprise, surprise, he also hadn't

21:26

gotten the missing persons report. And

21:28

the McPherson's were naturally varying.

21:31

They told Heinz that they needed all the

21:33

Tyrolean police stations to be made aware of

21:35

Duncan's disappearance. They wanted all hotel registers

21:37

to check and see if Duncan had stayed there.

21:40

And they wanted his photo to be broadcast in

21:42

the news. But Heinz wasn't

21:44

receptive. He said that Duncan had the right

21:46

to privacy, so they couldn't put him on the news. And

21:49

it would, quote, take an army to check

21:51

all the hotel registers, so that wasn't going

21:54

to happen even. Despite

21:56

his parents flying thousands of miles

21:58

over here. for

22:00

their son and he's like well you can't

22:03

do anything. Can you imagine how

22:05

irritated you would be? Oh

22:08

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22:10

pissed. I can imagine how angry they must

22:12

have felt and the fact that nobody's

22:15

getting this this bulletin. No no and

22:17

no one seems to really care or think there's

22:19

a problem. Unbelievable.

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Once again Linda and Bob had to do

24:59

all the work themselves. First they contacted the

25:01

Innsbruck Hockey Club and luckily the head

25:03

coach was able to persuade their sponsor to buy an

25:05

ad flop for the evening news which on

25:08

September 20th program to roll ran

25:11

a broadcast notice about Duncan's

25:13

disappearance. Next Bob and Linda

25:15

checked around at hostels themselves since the police

25:17

wouldn't do a damn thing and sure

25:20

enough they found papers that showed Duncan had stayed at

25:22

the Innsbruck Youth Hostel on the 8th. Linda

25:24

went back to the police and asked if they'd checked the

25:26

hotels in town like they had asked. Of

25:28

course they told them at Versons that

25:30

they already checked all the hotels and

25:32

hostels in Innsbruck and Duncan hadn't stayed

25:35

there but the reality is is

25:37

they hadn't actually bothered to look. Linda

25:39

informed them that this obviously wasn't true and she

25:41

basically told them they needed to check and see

25:43

if he stayed the night of or

25:46

the 10th as well. This is

25:48

what the Innsbruck police had to say about this later on.

25:51

This will honestly probably

25:53

make you mad. a

26:00

broke cop cannot. I have to admit

26:02

this, if somebody's missing, with

26:04

a lot of missing cases, you don't have

26:07

the time, you don't have the time to go

26:09

into details with every case, but the

26:12

parents, they had a lot of time

26:14

to do this. But

26:17

don't have the time. I don't have the time, and they

26:20

obviously have the time to do it. You'll

26:24

probably hear more from this guy, this guy pisses me off

26:26

to no end. He's awful. A contractor

26:28

who'd recently worked on the Stu Bay Glacier parking lot

26:30

watched for old today on the 20th and saw the

26:32

segment they did on Duncan. And

26:34

he recognized the car immediately. It

26:36

was the one he had seen sitting in the parking lot by

26:38

the gondola. The employee called the local police

26:41

who sent officers out to check on it. Sure

26:43

enough, when they got there, the car was parked

26:45

in the lot by the gondola. It had been

26:47

sitting there for six whole weeks. Employees

26:49

walked past it every day, and it

26:52

was never reported as abandoned, or

26:54

they never had it towed, or anything like that.

26:56

And it would have been noticeable, especially when the

26:58

lot emptied out, that the same car had been

27:00

in the same spot and hadn't been touched in

27:02

weeks. Anyways, the window of the

27:04

car was left slightly cracked open, which allowed police

27:07

to get inside. And in the glove compartment, they

27:09

found Duncan's passport, his watch, and

27:11

his traveler's check. In the back seat,

27:13

they found his skates, his backpack, and

27:15

a bag of rotted fruit. They

27:17

also found a sealed letter Duncan wrote for

27:19

his girlfriend and an audio cassette from a

27:21

music shop in Innsbruck. The letter

27:23

was written on August 7. Duncan didn't discuss his

27:25

plans before he was set to go to Scotland, but he

27:27

did say he was heading there on the 12th. He

27:30

thought his girlfriend Tara should come join him on

27:33

the 19th, and he also mentioned buying a pair

27:35

of Mephisto shoes in Nuremberg, but these shoes

27:37

were not in his car. The McPherson said

27:40

hope that once they found Duncan's car, it

27:42

would lead them to Duncan. Maybe

27:44

you stuck someone on the mountain, and they hoped

27:46

they'd be able to find him there easily. But

27:48

they also worried that he had left the mountain,

27:50

potentially with someone who had nefarious intentions. The

27:53

McPherson's knew that they had to stay close to the mountain

27:55

now, so they went to the hostel to base the mountain

27:57

to reserve a room. That Friday, September 22nd, they were... checking

28:00

into the AppArt Hotel hostel when they

28:02

were approached by someone. It was

28:04

Walter Hinterhosel, the instructor Duncan had

28:06

taken a lesson from on the 9th. Walter

28:09

had brought his mom that day to go skiing and he

28:11

had seen the McPherson's car by chance in the parking lot.

28:14

The McPherson's had taped Duncan's missing persons flyers to

28:16

the back of their rental car when he saw

28:18

the car, he immediately recognized Duncan,

28:20

so he went into the hotel to tell

28:22

whoever owned the car. He found

28:24

the McPherson's at the front desk and introduced himself,

28:27

and he probably assumed they were the owners of the car

28:29

given the fact that they spoke English and were Canadian, and

28:31

he knew that of Duncan. And so

28:33

the McPherson's had a flash of hope that

28:35

Walter had info that could maybe lead

28:37

them to Duncan. So they listened

28:40

while Walter explained the events of August

28:42

9th onward. Walter told them

28:44

that he had given Duncan a snowboarding lesson on

28:46

the 9th, and he first met

28:48

Walter at 10am that day at the snowboarding

28:50

school. Duncan had already rented

28:52

gear, snowboard, boots, and a gator. And

28:55

the snowboard was a Durrett 1700, as Walter

28:58

recalled. And

29:00

Duncan didn't actually know that gear was included

29:02

in the lesson price, so it was more

29:04

expensive to do them both separately. And once

29:06

Walter told him he suggested they go back

29:08

to the rental shop and ask them to

29:10

give him the difference back, but unfortunately

29:12

they wouldn't. So Walter was nice enough

29:14

to reduce the lesson price. They had a two

29:17

hour lesson, and like we said earlier, Duncan,

29:19

you know, picked up on snowboarding pretty easily.

29:22

After the lesson, they had lunch. Duncan

29:24

told Walter he wanted to do another lesson the

29:26

next day if the weather was good, so they

29:28

agreed to meet that next morning at the Apart

29:30

Hotel. And again, like we mentioned

29:32

earlier, Duncan's clothes had gotten wet during the

29:34

lesson, so he went to the sports shop

29:37

and bought a new purple sweatshirt. And

29:39

he left his wet sweater, turtleneck, and

29:41

leather belt out to dry on the

29:43

radiator in Walter's office. Now this

29:45

is an important fact to remember. Then

29:48

Duncan went off to snowboard by himself. Walter's

29:51

girlfriend, Daniela, spotted Duncan riding the tow

29:53

lift alone around 2.30 p.m. Walter

29:56

spent the rest of the day teaching other lessons, but

29:58

when he returned to his office, He

30:00

saw that Duncan's clothes were still sitting on

30:02

the radiator. And at first he

30:04

didn't think too much of it. You

30:06

know, Duncan did say he wanted to take a lesson

30:08

the next day. So he figured maybe he

30:10

was going to pick up his clothes then. But

30:13

when Duncan didn't show up the next day, Walter

30:15

was a little surprised, but he figured, you know,

30:17

he had made other plans. And as

30:19

for the clothes, he assumed that Duncan would

30:21

contact him and arrange pickup. Either

30:23

that or he had just forgotten about it. And

30:25

when weeks passed and he hadn't heard from

30:27

Duncan, Walter took the clothes back to

30:30

his apartment. He figured he'd give it to

30:32

him eventually if Duncan ever reached out. The

30:34

McPherson thanked Walter for sharing what they knew.

30:36

And at the time they had no reason

30:39

to doubt that he was anything less than

30:41

sincere. So the next morning, a volunteer

30:43

search team assembled to canvas the

30:45

mountains. And many of these

30:47

searchers had repelling gear to check

30:49

crevasses. Basically, since the ski run

30:51

was on a glacier, crevasses naturally

30:53

formed on the slope. Grooming

30:56

machines are responsible for filling these

30:58

crevasses with snow so that nobody falls in

31:00

them. The crevasses on the slope

31:02

are basically long holes that are usually not

31:04

too deep, maybe a foot or so, but

31:06

obviously they're a hazard and they have

31:09

to be filled to prevent injuries. However,

31:11

crevasses off the marked trails in the

31:13

out of bounds areas weren't

31:15

maintained. So these could open up

31:17

to be pretty huge, some as

31:20

deep as a 10-story building. And

31:22

the worry was maybe Duncan had fallen into

31:24

one of these crevasses. Hikers and

31:27

skiers have fallen into these crevasses in

31:29

the past and died. But again, there

31:31

were still crevasses that opened on the

31:33

slope, including a region of them on the

31:35

Shaf El Farina that usually opened up in

31:38

August. Since they were covered by

31:40

snow, they formed these sort of ice bridges.

31:43

But in the summer heat, that would

31:45

melt the snow. So sometimes skiers would go

31:47

over these ice bridges and they would

31:49

give way. The skiers would basically

31:51

fall right into these voids. So,

31:54

so scary. And it was like the

31:56

ground would just, you know, open up

31:58

beneath you and you fall in. to

32:00

them. Terrifying. And just one

32:02

year before Duncan went missing, a

32:04

skier actually had fallen into one

32:06

of these crevasses on the slope.

32:08

But of course, the police in

32:10

Innsbruck never informed the McPherson's of

32:13

this incident. Now here's a clip

32:15

from a skier who fell into a

32:17

crevasse at the Stu by Glacier

32:19

talking about his experience. Oh, what

32:23

I wish didn't all at once the ground disappeared

32:25

beneath my feet. He was like standing on

32:28

a manhole cover that gives way. Everything

32:31

got dark. The ice walls flew past

32:34

me. It got quiet.

32:36

And when you look down, what

32:38

did you see? Dark. Dark. Dark.

32:40

I looked once down to the

32:43

right and it was dark. So

32:47

dark, no one could see down, even

32:50

though he could see the ski

32:52

lift above. Then, Tucki remembered, he

32:54

had a cell phone and it worked.

32:57

Did you think at that moment that's it? I

32:59

could die here on this place? Yes,

33:02

I feared for my life. I

33:04

feared for my life. Look at

33:06

my arms. When I talk, I

33:08

get goosebumps. I see. The

33:11

fall was frightening, but what

33:13

happened next was equally disturbing. Oh,

33:16

man. And I stood there with the Alpine

33:18

Rescue workers at the top of the crevasse.

33:21

One of them was there with his no grooming

33:23

machine. He was filling in the

33:25

crevasse. The other two were standing next

33:27

to me. They said you were

33:29

lucky. And then they said, we're not reporting

33:31

this to the press. Do you understand? That's

33:36

suspicious. They don't want, they

33:39

obviously don't want any news getting out to the public

33:41

that the mountain's potentially dangerous.

33:43

No, of course not. It makes

33:46

them look horrible. Anyways, once the McPherson's

33:48

reached the top of the gondola, they were pretty

33:50

surprised to see the slope. It was the

33:53

only one that had been open on August

33:55

9th. And it was basically just a bunny hill

33:57

with a rope tow. And it seemed very

33:59

hard to believe that Duncan could have gotten lost on

34:01

it. While the search team canvassed the

34:03

glacier, the Mafersons tried to piece together Duncan's last

34:05

few days. They found out that

34:07

at some point, Duncan had called Ron Dixon, the

34:09

Dundee Tigers owner. Ron wasn't totally sure when this

34:12

call took place, but he was, quote, 90% sure

34:14

it took place on the 10th and

34:16

10% sure it took place on the 9th. So

34:19

this would mean that Duncan made it off the mountain

34:21

and potentially went somewhere else. There

34:24

was also a parking attendant working at the

34:26

glacier who was a, quote, very exact person.

34:28

And this parking attendant claimed that Duncan's car had

34:30

not been in the lot before September 1st. The

34:34

search team checked the glacier for days, hiking

34:36

around the different spots and rappelling down crevasses,

34:38

but nobody found Duncan or any more of his

34:40

belongings. The search was called off on September

34:43

26th as snow was falling at higher

34:45

elevations, meaning it was too dangerous to search. Linda

34:47

called a man named Ian Thompson at the

34:49

Canadian Embassy to ask what their response to

34:51

this was. She also wanted to know if

34:54

they had traced Duncan's call to Ron Dixon.

34:56

Ian told Linda that the Canadians hadn't been able to

34:58

trace the call, but they were still trying. Then

35:01

he gave Linda some very unsolicited advice and

35:03

he said, quote, I think you

35:05

and your family should get on with your lives. Life

35:08

is for the living. Isn't that insane?

35:11

How could you say that? People are heartless, man. Like

35:14

this is very inconvenient. We're clearly not gonna

35:16

find him. So especially just get

35:18

on with life. And to say life

35:20

is for the living? Yeah. God,

35:23

that fucked up. But this was pretty much

35:25

it. They didn't know where he'd gone. So it felt like they

35:28

were looking for a needle in a haystack. They

35:30

searched the ski area extensively, but found no

35:32

sign of him besides the car. On

35:34

September 27th, Linda was struck with an

35:37

idea. Duncan would have had to return his

35:39

gear on the 9th by 4 p.m. and the list closed.

35:41

So they would know if Duncan made it down the

35:43

mountain based on whether or not he had returned his

35:45

gear. She called someone at the

35:47

external affairs back in Ottawa that day with her concerns

35:49

and he told her that he'd look into it. But

35:52

of course Linda knew that she could only rely on

35:54

herself and Bob to get this done. So

35:56

on the 30th, the McPherson's visited the gear shop to

35:58

ask for the rental lock. They assumed

36:00

this would be a simple task for the employees,

36:03

but this was apparently not the case. The

36:05

young man behind the counter said the shop had already

36:07

thrown out their log from August and he

36:10

didn't remember ever seeing Duncan. Plus, the worker

36:12

was certain that no snowboards were missing. Now

36:15

the next part we're going to talk about is something

36:17

Linda wouldn't find out until 20 years later, but on

36:19

that same day, Council Thompson

36:21

from the Canadian Embassy in Vienna sent

36:23

a cable to External Affairs in Ottawa

36:26

and the message said that the ski instructor

36:28

Walter was 100% certain

36:30

that Duncan had returned to his

36:32

snowboard that day. The McPherson's

36:34

were never informed of this even though they

36:37

talked to Thompson multiple times after the 30th.

36:40

So why did Walter not mention this to

36:42

the McPherson's the first time they talked to

36:44

him? How was he 100% certain? It

36:47

seems logical that Duncan would have returned the board at

36:50

the end of the day when he was done snowboarding

36:52

and if he did, then why wouldn't he have gone

36:54

to Walter's office to pick up his clothes? Walter

36:57

said he was 100% certain but really the only

36:59

way for him to be that sure

37:01

is if he saw Duncan return the gear with his

37:03

own two eyes. If he heard it

37:05

from someone else that Duncan returned the gear, well that's

37:07

second hand info so obviously

37:10

he couldn't be 100% certain. If

37:13

he saw Duncan return the gear, why the

37:15

hell did he not mention this to the McPherson's?

37:17

And that's just such a critical detail to

37:20

leave out. And why would he not

37:22

go up to Duncan and say, hey, don't forget your

37:24

stuff in my office? We'll talk

37:26

more about this later but we wanted to

37:28

raise you's initial suspicions now. Canadian

37:31

searchers call off their search and plan to head home

37:33

on October 15th, 1989. Bob

37:35

and Linda decide to leave Europe the day before. They

37:38

vowed to be back when the snow melted to

37:40

continue looking for Duncan. They were going

37:42

home but definitely not giving up. They

37:45

knew it was most likely that Duncan had died but

37:47

of course without a body and a clear explanation of

37:49

what had happened to him, they held out hope that

37:52

maybe, just maybe, he was out there

37:54

somewhere. Regardless they needed to know

37:56

what happened to him and bring him home dead

37:58

or alive. Months went by and and

38:00

they heard nothing, but they finally got a

38:02

tip from a civilian in Germany who told

38:04

them about a disoriented English-speaking man doing a

38:07

hut tour in Dubai, and they

38:09

hoped that this could have been Duncan. But

38:11

as it turns out, this was an American with a

38:13

case of amnesia. At one point,

38:15

they received a letter from an investigator in

38:17

Austria, and the letter said police believe Duncan

38:19

accidentally fell into a crevasse off Piste, which

38:22

basically means outside of the marked ski boundaries, and

38:25

he subsequently died. He also

38:27

stated that Duncan's snowboard and boots had been returned

38:29

to the gear shop. They spent

38:31

the entire summer of 1990 searching

38:33

the Dubai Valley with Duncan's dog, Jake, but

38:35

they found nothing. And for years,

38:38

the McPherson's took extended trips to

38:40

Tyrol to try and find Duncan,

38:42

but all that time passed and there was no sign

38:44

of him despite their best efforts. They

38:47

once got a tip that Duncan had been spotted in a

38:49

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38:53

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38:55

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38:57

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Years passed and Duncan remained

40:52

missing. That is until the summer

40:54

of Two Thousand and Three. It is

40:56

the hottest summer on record internal in fact

40:58

it was so high and so much of

41:00

the snow had melted that this Dubai Glacier

41:03

had to close her skiing for the summer.

41:05

And then on July eighteenth, a stool by

41:07

Glacier employee noticed a yellow piece of fabric

41:09

sticking out of the snow. The. Thought

41:11

was on the south all fairness. Slope within the

41:13

ski boundaries of this Dubai Glacier. And.

41:16

As the snow continued to melts, it

41:18

was discovered that the yellow fabric was

41:20

part of a torn raincoat. And the

41:22

next day the Macpherson's got a call

41:24

from a friend. He told them

41:26

that he was watching the news and saw

41:28

at Dunkin had been sounds. They.

41:30

Were pulling his body out of a crevasse on

41:33

a stool by glacier. And the news

41:35

reported incorrectly that the discovery site was

41:37

off pieces of hundred and. Twenty meters

41:39

east of the I feel to it.

41:41

And at the discovery sites do by

41:44

workers and Duncan body. His boots

41:46

and snowboard that he had been using. And

41:48

if I had been frozen with his arms

41:50

and legs, Amputated. That's right,

41:53

people's the real ends in total

41:55

with one arm still attached. and

41:57

of course as soon as they found out bob and linda me

42:00

plans to immediately fly to Austria

42:02

and retrieve Duncan's body and they

42:04

wanted an autopsy performed and

42:06

once they got there they were told to visit Dr. Walter Roble

42:09

at the Institute of Forensic Medicine. Dr.

42:11

Roble would be the one examining

42:13

Duncan's body. Linda took a

42:15

liking to him immediately. Dr. Roble

42:18

was young and a lot less cold than police

42:20

had been and he reminded her of Duncan

42:22

so she trusted him. So Linda

42:24

asked him if he would be performing

42:26

the autopsy and he said he wouldn't

42:29

because the prosecutor's office hadn't ordered one.

42:31

The prosecutor was satisfied with the conclusion

42:33

that Duncan had accidentally fallen into a

42:36

crevasse and died and of

42:38

course Linda asked how Duncan had died

42:40

after he fell into the crevasse and

42:42

Dr. Roble said that it was

42:44

likely a non aesthetic suffocation aka suffocation

42:47

where the air supplies cut off rather

42:49

than just oxygen. So basically he said

42:51

after he fell in he was

42:53

covered with snow and he was able to breathe

42:55

for a little bit but eventually

42:57

he suffocated. Roble said

42:59

that this was not a painful death and

43:02

that many people who were rescued just before

43:04

dying of suffocation reported feeling warm and

43:06

comfortable. It's supposed to comfort his parents?

43:08

I know. Like what on earth? I

43:10

guess that's what they are trying to do and

43:13

maybe it would in some case, I don't know. But

43:17

they already have their hunches you know what I

43:19

mean? Yeah of course. You're trying to dismiss every

43:21

all this investigation they've just done. Yeah.

43:24

And explain it away as like oh well at least

43:27

his death was warm and fuzzy

43:29

basically. And Dr. Roble told

43:31

them that an autopsy may not reveal the

43:33

cause of death anyway given that the body was

43:35

in ice for so long and when

43:37

the McPherson's tried to get an autopsy

43:39

ordered the prosecutors office refused even

43:42

after finding his body in that condition

43:44

with several amputated limbs. It's just in

43:46

the middle of the slope. Insane. Insane.

43:49

What? However Dr.

43:51

Roble did offer to perform a CT

43:53

scan which might lend to some clues

43:55

as to how Duncan died. Winland and

43:58

Bob were shown photos of the spot

44:00

that Duncan was found, they were shocked.

44:02

It was on-piste in the middle of the

44:04

ski slope, not out of

44:07

bounds. And the news had

44:09

misreported that very crucial fact. Duncan

44:12

hadn't gone off-piste. His body went into

44:14

a crevasse 40 meters uphill

44:16

from where he was found. So

44:18

over the years, the glacial movement actually

44:20

caused the body to move down the

44:23

slope, slowly over time. Dr. Robble said

44:25

that the injuries to his body and

44:27

dismemberment were caused by glacial floats. He

44:30

actually tried to sell them that idea. But

44:32

there were things in the case that clearly did not

44:34

add up. And here's one Canadian

44:36

forensic anthropologist talking about Duncan's injuries

44:38

and where they may have come

44:40

from. What would it take to

44:43

break those bones? For

44:45

the femur, at least 1,800 to 2,500 pounds of

44:49

torsion and pressure, that's the pulling

44:51

and the twisting. And

44:53

that's not gonna occur in ice flow.

44:56

So this didn't make sense to you. No,

44:58

there's multiple trauma. And the joint

45:00

surfaces based on the radiographs and

45:03

photographs that I saw would

45:05

indicate that there was a violent to fall,

45:08

yes, but also perhaps

45:10

some contact with machinery, just simply

45:12

because of the bone ends, the

45:14

shearing, the jagged ends. It's

45:17

almost like a traumatic dismemberment. Machinery,

45:21

what kind of machinery could have been out there on

45:23

this list? So obviously investigators overlook

45:26

key discrepancies and odd things in this case.

45:28

And that includes the fact that Duncan's Saskatchewan

45:30

driver's license was not found in his wallet

45:32

or on him. However, his credit

45:34

cards were still there. The rental

45:36

shop likely required something to keep as

45:39

collateral for the gear rental. So Duncan

45:41

probably gave them his license. Evidently,

45:43

he never got it back, meaning someone still

45:45

had it and would have thrown it away.

45:48

The ski boots and gator he was found with belonged

45:50

to the rental shop. So he would have needed to

45:53

return those too in order to get his ID back

45:55

and not just the snowboard. Before we

45:57

mentioned that Duncan wrote in the letter that he bought new

45:59

shoes and... These shoes were

46:01

not recovered from his belongings and he wore those

46:03

shoes from the parking lot up to the gear

46:05

shop where he rented boots. That means

46:07

he changed out of these boots and had to

46:10

have left them in a storage locker there, but

46:12

these shoes were never recovered. Which

46:14

means someone had to have gotten rid of them

46:17

and he would have needed those street shoes to get

46:19

down the mountain via the gondola. So definitely

46:21

very suspicious. The gear shop later

46:24

said that they never had any duret brand boards

46:26

to rent in the first place so Duncan couldn't

46:28

have rented the gear from them. So

46:30

where did he get the board from then? Walter

46:33

was 100% certain that Duncan returned

46:35

the gear. Maybe that's because he's

46:37

right, he did see that with his own two

46:39

eyes and Duncan indeed returned the gear probably after

46:41

lunch when he bought the sweatshirt. But

46:43

he kept riding on his own after lunch so with what

46:45

board and where did he get it from? He

46:47

was using a duret and if the shop is correct

46:49

that they never had them then he must have been

46:51

using a different board from a rental shop and switched

46:53

to the duret which he had to have gotten from somewhere

46:55

else. Of course it wasn't his

46:58

so whose was it? Well the answer

47:00

is Walter's. After lunch

47:02

Walter told him to return the gear and lent him a different

47:04

board. But why? And if

47:07

this is true why wouldn't he have told the McPherson's this? Duncan

47:10

did not make it down the mountain that day and he couldn't have returned

47:12

the board to Walter. Are

47:14

we supposed to believe that at the end of the day Duncan

47:16

did not return to give back? A no

47:19

doubt expensive snowboard and Walter just shrugged it

47:21

off? Here's another bit of interesting information. The

47:23

first time Walter met the McPherson's it was

47:26

by chance as he was taking his mother

47:28

skiing on Friday September 22nd 1989. And

47:31

that same day Bob McPherson took a photo

47:33

of Duncan's car in the empty resort parking

47:35

lot. In 2009

47:37

author John Leake who was writing a book on Duncan's

47:40

case brought up an important point that the McPherson's had

47:42

never considered before. He said quote if

47:44

the mountain had been open for skiing

47:46

on Friday September 22nd 1989 the

47:48

parking lot would have been full. Two

47:50

slope workers said they had to free Duncan's

47:52

body from the hard blue ice using the

47:55

snow grooming machine. But this machine

47:57

is entirely unsuited for that purpose.

48:00

chainsaw would have been a much better option as

48:02

using the expensive grooming machinery would seriously damage it.

48:04

Coincidentally or not, one of these two slope workers

48:06

who worked on the excavation of Duncan's body had

48:08

been working on the slope the

48:10

day Duncan disappeared. By the

48:13

way, Shavai Glacier employees were basically the ones cleaning

48:15

up Duncan's remains that day, which is just

48:18

absolutely absurd. The only police

48:20

presence at the Discovery site was a helicopter

48:22

pilot and when Bob and Linda visited the

48:24

death site, Bob actually found some of Duncan's

48:26

bones that the employees had

48:28

left behind. So police, medical examiner's coroner,

48:30

did not even get involved in this

48:33

at all. They had the employees of

48:35

the ski resort remove his remains,

48:38

which was baffling to me. Duncan's

48:41

body was found with one red ski glove, a

48:43

pair of blue cross-country ski gloves, and a blue

48:45

work glove. Duncan did not

48:47

go snowboarding with three pairs of gloves, obviously,

48:49

especially not cross-country gloves or a work glove,

48:52

and he was neither cross-country skiing nor working. So

48:55

who did these gloves belong to? The

48:57

worker who first discovered Duncan's body said the work will

48:59

have belonged to him, however, the glove has never been

49:02

tested for blood or DNA. These

49:04

key bits of information suggest that someone

49:06

knows more than they're letting on, but if

49:08

Duncan truly got lost and had an accident,

49:11

why cover that up? Why did

49:13

nobody bother to search unless they knew where he

49:15

was and that he was dead? And if

49:18

that's the case, then what happened to it?

49:20

This brings us to the examination of

49:22

Duncan's clothes, his body, the snowboard,

49:25

and the thing that most likely killed

49:27

him, the resort snow grooming

49:29

machine. A plastic card found

49:31

in Duncan's wallet was found with a hole punched

49:33

in it that had to have come from

49:36

some sort of metal tool, not

49:38

glacial movement. His clothes, like his

49:40

raincoat and sweater, were absolutely shredded,

49:43

and this does not look at

49:45

all like shredding caused by glacial movement.

49:47

No, this had to be done mechanically.

49:50

And the snowboard was found in rough

49:52

shape too with damage consistent of no

49:55

cat tread. There are areas where the

49:57

plastic coating or laminate is just ripped

49:59

away. exposing the wood and paint underneath,

50:02

it had been exposed to ice and

50:04

water for a very long time. Meaning

50:07

that even if it's accepted that the damage

50:09

came from a snow cat, it can't be

50:11

explained away by just saying, oh, that

50:14

came from when we extracted it. No way.

50:16

That's insane to even suggest that. It's

50:19

very obvious by the pictures here. Oh, for

50:21

sure, for sure. The damage to the board

50:23

shows that it was cut by something crescent

50:26

shaped. And the left side of

50:28

the board shows three metal cuts all made

50:30

at the same angle. These cuts

50:32

are all spaced six inches apart

50:35

exactly. Marks in his body

50:37

were consistent with treads of a snow

50:39

cat. The amputated leg had markings

50:41

that looked like treads from the

50:43

grooming machine. This includes a

50:45

row of gouges parallel to the amputation.

50:48

Dr. Roble assumed those and the

50:50

limb amputations came from glacial

50:52

blows. That's right. He

50:55

actually said that. And he apparently faced

50:57

this on past glacial corpses that he

50:59

had worked with, not an

51:01

autopsy. And he had never sent

51:03

over those CT scans to the

51:05

McPherson's, only some x-rays. Now Duncan's

51:07

left hand was also severed via

51:10

a cut that looks very linear.

51:13

Parts of his limbs looked gouged with

51:15

tendons torn out as if they had

51:17

gone through a rotating machinery

51:19

that broke and twisted the

51:21

bones and joints at the

51:23

same time, absolutely brutal. Now

51:26

these injuries are also dark colored indicating

51:28

that they happened long before the body

51:30

was taken out of the ice. Then

51:33

there's the boots and also the issue of the

51:35

rentals. Duncan had been using

51:37

hard ski boots with his snowboard, not

51:39

the softer boots that are specifically designed

51:42

for snowboards. These boots were marked by

51:44

the rental shop. The board was not.

51:47

Dr. Roble performed an examination but

51:49

no autopsy. And he concluded that

51:51

Duncan fell into the crevasse and

51:53

died. But there was a lot he

51:55

missed and that seems to be a pattern for

51:58

Dr. Roble. And starting with Duncan. case.

52:00

He assumed he died of asphyxia

52:03

but didn't confirm this via examination.

52:05

He didn't consider the damage

52:07

to the clothing, the snowboard, or the

52:09

boots. In fact, it was Bob

52:11

who had to ask Dr. Robble about the

52:13

snowboard damage back in 2003. Robble contacted

52:15

Shuvai Glacier who told them that the

52:18

damage was sustained while they were

52:20

extracting the board from the ice. He

52:22

said that they tried pulling on the snowboard to pull

52:24

it out and it broke into pieces

52:26

and they ran it over with the groomer.

52:29

Bob thought this was very suspicious

52:31

from the get-go because clearly that's

52:33

not an accurate description of the

52:35

damages. Again, the weathering to

52:37

the board shows that the damages had already

52:40

been there for quite a long time. Finally

52:42

there's a cable. A cable or

52:44

cord was found wrapped snugly around Duncan's

52:47

unclothed leg. This is not shoelace or

52:49

anything like that and it didn't come from anything Duncan

52:51

had on him and the fact that

52:53

it was tied against his unclothed and injured leg

52:55

meant that it was placed there post-injury. So

52:57

how did this cord get there? This cord was

52:59

removed by Dr. Robble or his assistant before the

53:02

McPherson's viewed it. It was present in one of

53:04

the photographs taken during the examination but not in

53:06

others. When Linda asked Robble about this

53:08

cord he said he didn't know what it was. It

53:11

is possible that this cord was polypropylene baling twine and

53:13

this twine is used to hold bales of hay together

53:15

and ski resorts often used straw on the slopes when

53:17

snow levels are low. So it's possible

53:20

that this twine was caught in a grooming machine

53:22

and wrapped around Duncan's leg when it went into

53:24

it or the twine was used to hold his

53:26

remains together to transport them to the crevasse or

53:28

maybe someone used a twine to pull his leg

53:30

from the machine. All we know

53:33

is that if there's an innocent explanation for this

53:35

twine Robble didn't mention it or

53:37

look into it any further. So

53:40

what did all this lead to? From the looks

53:42

of it it's very obvious a cover-up

53:45

and the most likely explanation for Duncan's death

53:47

did appear to be an accident it just

53:49

wasn't a fall into a crevasse. The most

53:51

likely scenario is this Duncan went

53:54

snowboarding by himself and suffered a leg

53:56

injury. We're gonna explain one theory

53:58

as to how this initial injury happened. but

54:00

Duncan was out boarding, obviously

54:02

he was relatively new to snowboarding and

54:04

inexperienced, and another bad thing is

54:07

you don't want to be wearing ski boots on a snowboard,

54:09

because ski boots are rigid

54:11

and it doesn't allow your feet to move the

54:13

way you need to on a snowboard. The temperature was

54:15

just above freezing and the weather was foggy with drizzling

54:18

rain, making visibility low and likely

54:20

clearing out most of the skiers. This weather

54:22

may have caused ice over a crevasse to

54:24

break, opening it up. But

54:26

this doesn't mean that like this huge crater or hole opened

54:28

up on the slope. This was probably

54:30

a crevasse of something like a few feet deep, but

54:33

as Duncan was riding down the slope, he struck

54:35

it and the front end of the board snagged

54:37

the crevasse, sending him flying into the ground in

54:40

front of the crevasse. It also

54:42

may have dislodged one of the ski boots from the

54:44

board, leaving the weight of the board in the angle

54:46

of the hit to badly twist his leg, which

54:48

this may have caused the femur break we see in

54:50

the radiology scan here. Or it

54:52

may have just been a painful ligament injury. Either

54:55

way it would have hurt a lot and potentially

54:57

immobilized Duncan. Since he couldn't move, he waited

55:00

for help to come and find him. Duncan

55:02

was found not wearing a ski boot, but his

55:04

left ski boot was not damaged, although his left

55:06

leg and foot were damaged extensively. The

55:09

left boot liner was also damaged, so how did

55:11

this happen? And the answer might be this.

55:13

He took the ski boots off to alleviate the pain.

55:16

Anybody who skis will tell you that ski boots are hard

55:18

and very uncomfortable to wear, they can also

55:21

interfere with circulation if they're too tight. So Duncan

55:23

probably took them off, especially if he was injured,

55:25

but he took out the liner of the boot

55:27

and kept it on for warmth. He was also

55:30

wearing a cotton sweatshirt. Cotton wicks

55:32

away heat from the body and again it

55:34

was just about freezing and drizzling that day

55:36

so it's possible Duncan died of hypothermia while

55:38

he waited for help. And further down the

55:40

mountain, the Stubye Glacier employees were gearing up

55:43

to finish out the day. That included the groomers,

55:45

who hopped on their grooming machines and made their

55:47

way up the mountain. They may

55:49

not have done one final check of the mountain

55:51

with ski patrol to make sure that everyone was

55:53

off the slope. Instead they

55:55

just assumed everyone was gone. Grewing

55:58

machines are essentially these big tractor-sized

56:00

vehicles that travel up the mountain

56:02

and groom the snow into an

56:04

orderly pattern called corduroy.

56:07

And so let's briefly go over the parts

56:09

of these grooming machines. In the

56:11

front is the long metal blade. It's

56:14

serrated at the bottom and it breaks up

56:16

the coarse snow and pulverizes it into soft

56:18

powder. The tracks of the groomer

56:20

break it up further. Finally, the

56:22

tiller shapes the snow into the

56:24

finished corduroy using metal grooves that

56:27

act like a comb. The tiller

56:29

is wider than the tractor cab part

56:31

itself. The theory is, as the

56:33

grooming machine made its way up the

56:35

mountain, it hit Duncan. He

56:37

may have tried to get out of the way or he

56:39

was unconscious and couldn't move out of the way, but

56:42

the driver may have tried to swerve

56:44

around him accidentally sending the tiller flying

56:46

right into him. It's likely that his

56:48

leg went into the locking brackets of

56:51

the machine, aka the treads that helped

56:53

pull the machine forward. Either way,

56:55

his body went into the machine

56:57

and became if he was still alive, God

57:00

forbid, conscious by this point, he

57:03

would have quickly died from shock.

57:06

The driver may have been intoxicated when

57:08

they ran into Duncan or was not

57:10

following proper safety procedures. The employee

57:12

may have panicked and didn't report the incident

57:14

out of fear of being charged

57:16

with manslaughter. The initial shock itself

57:18

after seeing that scene could have been

57:21

enough to put that driver into a

57:23

psychological paralysis. And

57:25

so maybe in a state of shock and not

57:28

knowing what to do, they contacted their

57:30

superior and that superior may

57:32

have helped with what came next, a

57:34

cover. The snow cat driver either

57:37

acting alone or someone's help took Duncan's body

57:39

and hid it in a crevasse. The

57:41

incident remained a secret and the identity of

57:43

the snow cat driver or potential accomplices remains

57:45

a mystery to this day. They

57:47

chose to hide Duncan's body in a crevasse

57:50

because they knew how crevasse accidents were

57:52

treated there. There were bad press

57:54

and the usual MO for resorts was to blame

57:56

the skier. Barely do the investigation and

57:58

call it a day so people will... wouldn't be searching

58:00

there. So why the coverup,

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58:09

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58:20

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very bad look for the resort and can't really be. spun

1:00:00

into a way that mitigates reputational damage.

1:00:02

Basically, they can't blame the skier and then just

1:00:04

move on from it. The man who

1:00:07

founded the resort is and was known as

1:00:09

the godfather of Shubai Valley. The ski

1:00:11

industry and the resort wield a lot of influence in

1:00:13

the area and they provide numerous people with jobs and

1:00:15

they bring tourists to the town with shops and hotels

1:00:17

and others depend upon and their

1:00:19

owners are wealthy, influential, and

1:00:22

powerful. I found a report back in 2005

1:00:24

that said that the ski resort actually brought

1:00:26

in annual revenue of $34 million

1:00:29

and employees up to 300 people. Holy

1:00:31

shit. That's huge for this area. Bad

1:00:34

press would be bad news for them. Well,

1:00:36

especially a snow cat running somebody over on

1:00:39

the slope. Yeah. You know what I

1:00:41

mean? Mm-hmm. That was not a good look. It

1:00:43

just shows that whoever

1:00:45

these employees are don't know what they're doing or

1:00:48

it's even worse beyond that. There's some bad

1:00:50

apples working for this resort. So

1:00:53

it's pretty easy to do the math. They'd cover it up,

1:00:56

tell employees they didn't see anything, tell them not to talk

1:00:58

about it, get rid of the logs, get rid of his

1:01:00

clothes, his ID, his shoes, keep the car there because what

1:01:02

else could they do? Don't report

1:01:04

the car though, you know, to buy

1:01:06

yourself time. Let the snow fall and melt and cover

1:01:08

up the body. When they do find

1:01:10

the car, they won't find the body because who would look

1:01:12

in the middle of the ski slope? It's

1:01:15

accepted that they went off trail and they essentially

1:01:17

blamed him for going off the trail and getting

1:01:19

himself lost and killed, which he never did. And

1:01:22

if when they do find the body, pray it's been

1:01:24

long enough to conceal the evidence. His

1:01:26

body was in crevasse. Clearly he fell in and was

1:01:28

buried under the snow as plenty

1:01:30

of people die hiking or skiing in our town. So

1:01:33

case closed, nothing else to see here. But

1:01:36

I mean, the body speaks for itself. The

1:01:39

damage and destruction in the cuts to his

1:01:41

body do not indicate

1:01:44

that this was just glacial flow. Clearly

1:01:48

he was run over by machinery. But

1:01:51

here's what the Innsbruck police had to say about this

1:01:53

theory and the lack of investigation. Get

1:01:55

ready to get pissed off again. Main questions. And

1:01:58

then they could have been cleaned. the

1:02:01

deputy chief of criminal investigation

1:02:03

is unmoved is this a problem

1:02:06

that the investigation just assumed it was an accident

1:02:08

is there some bias

1:02:10

towards the the operator

1:02:12

that that could be the perception from

1:02:14

outside the scalar brighter but what

1:02:17

you think what could be his interest

1:02:19

but there could be third-party

1:02:22

liability but you presumed

1:02:24

that it it was Duncan's fault and nobody else

1:02:28

yeah what do you

1:02:30

say to Duncan McPherson's parents who just

1:02:33

can't let this go for us

1:02:35

the case is closed the

1:02:38

body has been found the missing person turned up

1:02:41

and and his name

1:02:43

was was deleted from from the

1:02:45

system of cars now and

1:02:47

for us the case is solved

1:02:53

Wow gotta be the worst terrible

1:02:56

police employee I've ever seen he couldn't

1:02:58

even try to give a fuck did

1:03:01

he even see the evidence I

1:03:04

mean I think I think they're just in

1:03:06

the business of like well at this point

1:03:08

we fucked up so it's gonna look bad

1:03:10

if we yeah admit that we didn't do

1:03:12

anything and this guy's clearly got an ego

1:03:14

so doesn't surprise me sadly

1:03:17

the McPherson spent most of the retirement savings

1:03:19

trying to find Duncan and figure out what

1:03:21

happened to him and it took them decades

1:03:24

but they do finally have an answer as to what happened

1:03:27

to their son Duncan's body was flown

1:03:29

back to Canada and cremated so he could be

1:03:31

properly laid to rest Linda takes

1:03:33

comfort in knowing that her son lived a full life and

1:03:35

he died doing what he loved adventuring

1:03:37

outdoors the McPherson's

1:03:39

just wish the road to truth wasn't

1:03:42

filled with lies and deceit and

1:03:44

ego in 2012

1:03:46

a book about Duncan's case was published it was

1:03:48

written by that author John Lee can titled cold

1:03:50

a long time and Alpine mystery great book to

1:03:53

read if you want to really dive into this

1:03:55

on a whole deeper level if you ask me

1:03:57

the McPherson's deserve some sort of compensation for the

1:03:59

decades of misery they've been put through.

1:04:01

At least. They drain

1:04:03

their whole retirement savings to solve

1:04:06

this case basically without

1:04:08

any help from not only the

1:04:10

authorities over in Austria, but the Canadian authorities

1:04:12

as well. They didn't really do anything either.

1:04:15

I mean, pretty much everyone in this case

1:04:17

sucked. It's just, and it's such

1:04:19

a shame that it took so long,

1:04:21

so many years for them to find out. Oh,

1:04:24

the agony that they've had to go through every

1:04:26

day. I mean, getting the answers

1:04:28

doesn't, they

1:04:30

don't even have all the answers, right? No, they don't.

1:04:32

But I'm sure getting some of them have helped a

1:04:34

little, but it's like that hole, that void

1:04:36

will never. Yeah, what happened to him? And,

1:04:39

you know, wondering what his last moments were like, ah,

1:04:41

I can't even imagine, terrible. But

1:04:44

there's at least one person out there who

1:04:46

is responsible for Duncan's death. And

1:04:48

to this day, the identity of that person or

1:04:50

the potential people involved in this coverup are

1:04:53

still a mystery, but no doubt,

1:04:55

someone knows something. And hopefully

1:04:57

one day, that individual or

1:05:00

others will come forward and

1:05:02

clear their guilty conscience for the sake

1:05:05

of Linda and Bob. That's

1:05:07

what's so crazy to think about, that someone

1:05:10

knows, saw this, did

1:05:13

this. Yeah, it's clear somebody did this,

1:05:15

yeah. How do you live with yourself? I don't know,

1:05:17

how do you sleep at night? Yeah,

1:05:20

I guess the only hope is that they feel guilty

1:05:22

enough to one day come forward, but. At

1:05:25

this point, I doubt

1:05:27

they will. This could really be

1:05:29

a grand conspiracy,

1:05:32

if you think about it, because the operator

1:05:34

of the machinery or the snow cat may

1:05:37

have ran over his body, then

1:05:40

brought it to his superior, and then his superior's like,

1:05:42

nope, we're not gonna do this. And then maybe they

1:05:44

even alerted the authorities about what happened, and the authorities

1:05:46

were like, just cover

1:05:48

it up, like, we don't need this. We

1:05:51

don't want this breaking to the news. This

1:05:53

is a Canadian as well, so it's gonna

1:05:55

make international news, and so they were like,

1:05:57

just, let's cover it up. This

1:06:00

is a story we're gonna tell. I mean,

1:06:02

who knows how deep this corruption

1:06:04

runs. Yeah, it definitely could have gone up the

1:06:06

chain like that. Or it could be just that

1:06:08

person that stayed with them and they covered it

1:06:11

up on their own to protect themselves. I

1:06:13

don't know though. What do you think is more- I think there's a

1:06:16

lot of people at this resort that know about this, because if you

1:06:18

think about it, his

1:06:20

body was mangled by this thing.

1:06:23

And the amount of blood

1:06:25

and fluids, I mean, just the

1:06:27

scene must have been just horrendous.

1:06:30

So there's no

1:06:32

way, it's snow too. So

1:06:35

it sticks out. How did they, they

1:06:37

would have had to cover this up somehow. Even

1:06:39

if they moved his body and put him in

1:06:41

a crevasse, they would have had to cover up

1:06:43

all the blood from

1:06:46

his body being mangled through the machine. How'd

1:06:48

they clean up the machine and hide the

1:06:50

evidence of his remains in the machine? There's

1:06:53

gotta have been multiple people at this resort that

1:06:55

were involved in this. It's not just

1:06:57

one individual. Because one individual, and

1:07:01

thinking about the individual that actually did it too, he

1:07:03

probably would have been in too much shock to

1:07:05

even realize what had happened, to

1:07:07

even continue to be like, all right, now

1:07:10

I've gotta clean the machine. I've gotta bury

1:07:12

his body. I've gotta hide my tracks. He

1:07:14

probably alerted somebody else and the

1:07:16

whole resort probably knows. Hell, the

1:07:18

owner of the resort probably even

1:07:20

knows. And they just were like,

1:07:22

let's cover it up, because this is

1:07:24

bad for business. I agree, that's most likely

1:07:27

the case. However,

1:07:29

I mean, I think it is possible for him to have

1:07:31

covered it up with the machinery and the fact

1:07:33

that the machinery wasn't checked for so long. It's

1:07:36

not like you'd have to do that good of a cleanup job if

1:07:38

it wasn't looked at right away. So

1:07:42

it could have been just one person. Maybe.

1:07:45

I find it very hard to believe one person did all that.

1:07:47

No, I agree with you. I agree with you. I think most

1:07:50

likely multiple people are involved. But it

1:07:53

is possible that it was just one. I

1:07:55

do tend to

1:07:57

agree with the story. or

1:08:00

the version of events where he

1:08:03

was an inexperienced snowboarder. And the other thing

1:08:05

too, ski boots on a snowboard, I'm a

1:08:07

snowboarder and I know that

1:08:09

I couldn't imagine trying to snowboard with

1:08:11

ski boots on because they're so rigid.

1:08:13

Because snowboarding is all about bending your

1:08:16

legs and being able to lean in

1:08:18

your boots, but with ski

1:08:20

boots you can't do that. You're stuck

1:08:22

in place. So all

1:08:25

it would take is one little bump in the

1:08:27

slope to send yourself flying. And if there's these

1:08:29

like two, three foot crevasses just in

1:08:31

the middle of the slope, you hit one of

1:08:33

those. I mean, I've eaten shit

1:08:35

hard on a snowboard before off just

1:08:38

hitting like a little chunk of ice on the

1:08:40

slope and I go flying. So I can only

1:08:42

imagine if you hit like a two foot pole

1:08:45

in the slope, how bad

1:08:47

that would hurt your legs. Cause that's

1:08:49

the thing with snowboards too, is that you're strapped

1:08:52

to your board versus skis if you

1:08:54

hit something, you're just gonna fly off of your skis,

1:08:56

which is kind of nice. But

1:08:59

with a snowboard, you're slamming the

1:09:01

ground, you're going with your board. And then

1:09:03

it's gonna make it so much worse that

1:09:05

he's wearing ski boots. Yeah, just like his

1:09:07

leg, he definitely got a serious leg injury.

1:09:10

And then I think he was just, he couldn't

1:09:12

move, he couldn't do anything. And probably

1:09:14

the weather conditions played into effect that day,

1:09:16

maybe the snow cat operator couldn't really see

1:09:18

what was on the slope and

1:09:20

just accidentally. Or just wasn't paying attention. Or wasn't

1:09:23

paying attention. Or wasn't paying attention. Yeah, who knows?

1:09:25

That's what's so frustrating is so many, there are

1:09:27

so many possibilities of what could have happened. I

1:09:30

just hope, God, I really hope he

1:09:32

was unconscious or. Before

1:09:35

he got run over by a snow cat.

1:09:38

Yeah. Holy shit. Oh God, that's a horrible

1:09:40

way to go. I can't imagine much

1:09:42

that would be worse. I mean, that's

1:09:44

just awful. I do wanna just

1:09:46

say that Linda

1:09:48

and Bob are amazing parents and

1:09:52

Linda's intuition throughout

1:09:54

this case is unbelievable. Like she had a

1:09:56

premonition. Wakes up in the middle of the

1:09:58

night. Basically a premonition. of her son

1:10:00

something horrible happened. It gives me chills.

1:10:03

And it's their

1:10:06

steadfastness and determination to find

1:10:08

their son. And

1:10:11

I'm thankful, despite all this, that

1:10:14

they were able to find him. And at

1:10:16

least they know that he's, you know, they don't

1:10:18

have this, is he alive? Is he dead? They

1:10:21

know to some extent what happened. And

1:10:23

they're able to, you know, kind

1:10:25

of close that part

1:10:28

of their life. But I think they can

1:10:30

imagine the anger and the resentment they have

1:10:33

towards that ski resort though. I don't think

1:10:35

you'd ever like really get full closure

1:10:37

to be able to move on, you know, just the

1:10:39

impact you would have on your life. Yeah,

1:10:42

it's really inspiring the love

1:10:44

between parent and child

1:10:46

in that situation. Basically

1:10:49

gave everything that they had to

1:10:52

make this happen. It

1:10:56

ultimately paid off at least

1:10:58

finding him. Yeah, without them doing that,

1:11:01

who knows? I just wish

1:11:03

there's more you could do to like hold

1:11:05

the authorities accountable. No, it's so frustrating. There's

1:11:07

no accountability. And they just like, yeah, it's

1:11:09

all moving on. Don't

1:11:11

care about anything else. Bye. God,

1:11:15

sickening. So many cases like this too. It's

1:11:17

irritating at the end of the day. Like what can

1:11:19

be done? Yeah. I'm

1:11:23

curious, do you think it was a cover

1:11:25

up with multiple people or do you think

1:11:27

it could have just been one person? I honestly

1:11:30

go back and forth. I think

1:11:32

the more likely scenario is more than one

1:11:34

person just by the amount of people that

1:11:36

work on the slope. And I

1:11:39

think it would have been pretty hard for one

1:11:41

person to cover this whole thing up all this

1:11:43

time. But

1:11:47

I mean, I guess it's possible

1:11:49

that it's just one person. I know. Yeah.

1:11:52

Crazy that they're out there or multiple

1:11:55

people. I guess though, the

1:11:57

only reason maybe I would.

1:12:00

I would lean to one person is because, does

1:12:03

that make keeping it a secret easier? I

1:12:05

think yes, because if multiple people know, like

1:12:07

the chances of someone slipping up or somehow getting

1:12:09

out is probably higher than just one person who's keeping

1:12:11

a secret. So I guess if you look at it in

1:12:13

that light, yeah. I

1:12:18

mean, I don't think it's like a ton of people, but I think

1:12:21

it could be a small circle of people. Yeah, but even if

1:12:23

it's like three or four people, you

1:12:27

better hope those people can keep a good secret versus just

1:12:29

one. I don't know.

1:12:32

I don't know. Well, who knows? They might've had other

1:12:34

shit like this happen there. Yeah. There

1:12:36

could be other deaths at this resort that were

1:12:38

classified as accidents that weren't. Yeah,

1:12:40

that's definitely possible. I don't

1:12:43

know, something is just, my intuition

1:12:45

is telling me it was just one person, or

1:12:48

maybe two. I

1:12:50

will probably never know. Well, and then let's not forget

1:12:52

this sheer, I mean, this could be a totally

1:12:55

different case had Dr. Rabel

1:12:57

actually done something and

1:13:00

actually conducted an autopsy. The fact

1:13:02

he didn't do that was shocking. And then

1:13:05

digging into it further, there's other

1:13:07

cases that Rabel's done where

1:13:09

individuals, he ruled them as accidents

1:13:12

and they turned out to have

1:13:14

been stabbed. And one other

1:13:16

individual had been raped. And that was

1:13:18

never, never examined. Why

1:13:21

do you get into this field? So just sheer incompetence.

1:13:23

You don't care. Yeah. But I'll

1:13:25

never understand. Like, isn't

1:13:27

that the purpose of your job to like discover

1:13:30

what happened? And if you're just like, Yeah, don't you

1:13:32

have any passion for this? Paid interests, you know what

1:13:34

I mean? Maybe he's getting paid by somebody. Yeah, I

1:13:36

thought so. You know what I mean? There's corruption everywhere.

1:13:39

How do you think that coverup went? Never know.

1:13:41

You never know these days or back

1:13:43

then. Well,

1:13:46

I just have to say, Duncan seemed like an incredible

1:13:48

guy. What a loss. I know. He

1:13:50

seemed like a really good person. And

1:13:54

God, it's just, it's unbelievably tragic. He was

1:13:56

so close to like going and starting this

1:13:58

whole new chapter. after in his life, which

1:14:00

could have been incredible for him being a

1:14:02

hockey coach and living

1:14:05

in Scotland and doing

1:14:08

really cool things. And then his girlfriend, his girlfriend

1:14:10

never got to see him again too. I can't

1:14:12

imagine how she dealt with this. I mean,

1:14:15

it's horrible. Well,

1:14:17

we wanna know what you all think, of course. Do

1:14:20

you think this was a coverup? Do you think

1:14:22

multiple people were involved or just one person?

1:14:24

And let us know your thoughts on

1:14:26

just how botched all

1:14:28

of this was? Yeah, or do

1:14:30

you believe the official narrative that this

1:14:33

was an accident? I doubt it. This is

1:14:35

a mile higher audience. Yeah, there's- They ain't

1:14:37

buying that shit. Better not

1:14:39

be. No, definitely not. But

1:14:41

anyway, that is gonna be it for us

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today. Real

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