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This is a CBC Podcast. Hey

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folks, it's Kathleen here from Crime Story.

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And this week we have a special

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edition with the fabulous Connie Walker, who

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was just named one of Time's People

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of the Year. We're

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talking to Connie about the new season

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of her Pulitzer Prize winning podcast Stolen.

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In season three, Connie investigates the disappearance

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of two women from the Navajo Nation,

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a place where people say that you can get away

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with murder. We discuss the cases

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and the troubling link that Connie discovers between

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the two of them. And

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we'll also get into Connie's approach to her work. Here's

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a clip from that conversation. How

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did it feel like your last podcast

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was really about your father and the

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experiences and it was so personal. And

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this one was personal because it was

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human nature and human beings and other indigenous women.

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Did it feel different for you to

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approach it? Tell me a little bit about

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that because it really was such a different

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story for you. And that was deliberate, honestly,

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because surviving St. Michael's was such a

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deeply personal story. I

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absolutely did not want to do

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something personal again right away. I

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think I'm still honestly just kind

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of processing everything. And

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I think that maybe people have an

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idea that I know more

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than I do or have.

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I feel like this last, like, you know,

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the last, I guess, five seasons of the

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podcast have been such an education for me

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as well. Like, you know, I didn't know

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this history. I didn't, you know, I didn't

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learn it in school. Like I have lived

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experiences, so I knew part of it. And

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I think that really helped me tell

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these stories in important ways.

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But this has all been such an education

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for me as well. And so I think

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that it's been a lot. It's been a

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lot to do for sure. So we really

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wanted to not have a personal story for season

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three. But

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that presented its own challenges, too. it

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was also really hard to not

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be from the community. And there's

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so much, I think, we

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had so much anxiety and we tried to be so

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careful about like reporting on another... Because

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you're dropping in somewhere. Totally. And

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we went on five reporting trips.

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That's a lot, but it's not...

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No. A lot. You're not living

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there. No. Yeah. And

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so we worked with

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a Dine journalist who was kind of

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like our sensitivity reader slash listener,

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who's actually from the Carriza

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Mountains area and still lives

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there. So that's something

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we can do, but I feel like there was just

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so much effort

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put into wanting to fairly represent

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this place because we're not from

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there. I feel like I'm really

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drawn to stories that I am

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part of though as well. I feel like I'll

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probably return to that in

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some way. I feel like that's

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what really kind of sparks

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my curiosity and

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that I think

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I still have more learning

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to do and more understanding to do. And

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this is kind of my way of doing

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that. To

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hear more of my conversation with Connie, click

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the link in the description or follow Crime

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