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to you. Don't

1:17

say, I mean, bougie. Hello

1:19

and welcome. This is Unreserved.

1:22

I'm Rosanna Dierchild. June

1:26

21st is National Indigenous People's Day.

1:28

To celebrate, we've gathered some friends

1:30

to share some amazing recommendations to

1:32

add a sparkle to your day

1:35

and your whole summer. I

1:37

would say I've loved movies my entire life.

1:41

Cheryl Carey is the host of

1:43

the Red Gaze Podcast, where they

1:45

watch movies through an Indigenous lens.

1:47

Find out what her small screen pics are

1:49

for summer. And if a

1:52

book on the beach is more your style.

1:54

I read books all the time. Author Melissa

1:56

Blair will have your book bag full with

1:58

her reading list. And our

2:01

friend and CBC host, Phalen Johnson,

2:03

is here with her indigenous podcast

2:05

recommendations for those long drives. There's

2:08

just a different level of authenticity here and

2:11

fun. And I kind of just love to

2:13

hear it. Plus, indigenous chef

2:15

Aisha Smith-Balgaba is back to help

2:17

you cook up some of the

2:20

best flavors for your potlucks and

2:22

barbecues. Take these ingredients, do

2:24

what you will with them, but please

2:26

experiment in new ways. Another

2:29

great way to come together this summer is

2:31

around pride. Kyron Potts is

2:33

a two-spirit social media influencer

2:35

with some great tips on

2:37

how to celebrate whether 2SLGBTQ

2:39

Plus community. Just be mindful

2:41

of your space and be mindful of the energy

2:44

that you're bringing in. Remember that it's a celebration

2:46

leading with love. From

2:48

books to movies to food to

2:50

pride celebrations, your summer to-do list

2:52

just got indigenous. If

2:59

you're a big reader looking for summer

3:01

suggestions, you might find them on

3:03

TikTok. Or should I say BookTok?

3:06

That's TikTok for book nerds. That's

3:09

where you'll find Melissa Blair sharing her

3:11

reading list. She is an

3:13

Anishinaabe author and avid reader with over

3:15

40,000 followers on

3:18

the social media platform. And

3:20

today, she's bringing BookTok to the radio

3:22

with her summer reading list. Hello,

3:27

my name is Melissa Blair.

3:29

I am an Anishinaabe author

3:31

of fantasy books. I

3:33

started on TikTok and I stumbled onto this

3:36

TikTok community called BookTok. So I'm going to

3:38

show you guys my three current reads. Here

3:40

are some BookTok books that I think are

3:42

absolutely fantastic. And I loved watching videos of

3:44

people talking about all the books they were

3:46

reading because I read books all the time.

3:49

Top seven favorite fantasy books written

3:51

by women authors. And no

3:53

one was talking about indigenous books and I read indigenous

3:55

books all the time, so I started posting videos about

3:58

all the wonderful indigenous books people.

4:00

could read and different Indigenous books

4:02

in different genres. People started following

4:04

me and I just kept at it and here we are.

4:08

In the summer I like to read

4:10

nonfiction which I read all the time

4:12

and then I tried to read standalone

4:15

books and some lighter books, things you might

4:17

read on the beach or at least I

4:19

would read on the beach. My

4:25

suggestion for a beach read is if you're

4:27

on the younger side, the summer of Bitter

4:29

and Sweet by Jen Ferguson, I would

4:32

call it a coming-of-rage novel

4:34

about an Indigenous young woman

4:36

who's coming up and has

4:38

just broken up with her boyfriend

4:40

and is dealing with a lot of those feelings

4:43

and then things start happening with her family. I

4:46

love getting into the main character's

4:48

head and perspective and stories

4:50

being told by young Indigenous women. Those were

4:52

stories that I never got to read as

4:55

a young Indigenous woman growing up, so to

4:57

see them on my bookshelf and on other

4:59

people's bookshelves now is my favorite part about

5:01

the book. And

5:08

then if you're a romance lover, there is

5:10

a book called The Truth According to Ember

5:12

by Danica Nava that is coming out and

5:15

it is the first traditionally published Indigenous

5:17

authored romance book to come out

5:19

with a Big Five publisher. It

5:22

is about the main character Ember

5:24

Lee who finds herself in

5:27

not allowed because of the policy

5:29

office romance. The book isn't out

5:31

yet. It actually comes out August

5:33

6th of this year, so it'll

5:35

be perfect for that late summer

5:37

beach read, getting that last bit

5:39

of sun in, and I think everyone will enjoy it.

5:44

My unconventional beach read pick would be Johnny

5:47

Appleseed by Joshua Whitehead. I don't think it's

5:49

a book a lot of people would pick

5:51

out as a summer read, but I love

5:53

it. It's super short. You could definitely get

5:55

through it in one afternoon in the beach,

5:58

and it follows. an indigic

6:00

queer main character leaving the res for the

6:02

first time and dealing with life in the

6:04

city. It is a heavier book, it is

6:07

a coming-of-age book, but it's told with a

6:09

lot of truth and a lot of authenticity

6:11

and I think Joshua Whitehead is

6:14

a fantastic author that everyone should

6:16

check out. So

6:21

for younger readers trying to get some

6:23

reading in this summer, I would definitely

6:25

recommend Warrior Girl on Earth by Angeline

6:28

Boulley. She's an Anishinaabe writer. You might

6:30

know her because she had a breakout

6:32

debut novel called The Firekeeper's Daughter. Warrior

6:34

Girl on Earth is a follow-up

6:37

set in the same world and in

6:39

the same nation. It's a fantastic book

6:41

for young readers with really

6:44

great themes about the missing

6:46

and murdered Indigenous women's movement and

6:49

that impact that it has on our people. I love

6:51

reading anything Angeline Boulley puts out because

6:53

she's an Anishinaabe, like I am. She

6:56

writes culture right on the page in

6:58

a way that's just for

7:00

an Indigenous woman reading about her own culture.

7:02

It just feels like home in a way,

7:04

so I instantly relate to these

7:07

characters. It's beautifully done

7:10

and each of the books are super

7:12

thrilling and have a pace that keep

7:14

you turning the pages. Another book that

7:16

I would love to recommend for younger

7:19

readers, especially readers who might not have

7:21

the time or might not

7:23

want to read a 300-page novel. I

7:26

love A Girl Called Echo. It is the

7:28

first book or the first volume in a

7:30

graphic novel series called The Pemmican Wars. I

7:33

really love it because it's right from

7:35

the perspective of a young matey girl

7:38

who is in school and is trying

7:40

to find her way and she doesn't

7:43

feel comfortable, as a lot of teenagers do.

7:45

She's trying to find herself and she's trying

7:47

to understand her people and she's trying to

7:49

understand history and she ends up going back

7:52

in time to the Red River

7:54

Rebellion and seeing all that history

7:56

firsthand. I think it's a great

7:58

way to tell that history. It's

8:00

very engaging. And if you love

8:03

graphics and illustrations, I think

8:05

the artwork done by Scott

8:08

B. Henderson, and then of course

8:10

the coloring done by Donovan Yassiek

8:12

is beautiful. My

8:15

memoir and recommendation on this list

8:17

is called Heart Berries by Therese

8:19

Marie Melhot about an indigenous woman

8:21

who grows up off reserve and

8:24

in the city and continues to

8:26

try to connect to her people

8:28

and connect to her culture and

8:30

what it means to be indigenous when

8:32

you're not living on reserve with your

8:34

community, what it means to have the

8:37

identity as an indigenous person. Her

8:39

writing is so honest

8:41

and so poetic, and it

8:43

is a beautiful, beautiful

8:46

little book. It's not very long, but

8:49

it will definitely stay with you for a

8:51

long time. Melissa

8:55

Blair is an Anishinaabe author and book talker. You're

8:59

listening to Unreserved on CBC Radio

9:01

1, Sirius XM, US Public Radio and Native Voice

9:03

1. I'm

9:06

Rosanna Deerechild. All

9:10

across Turtle Island, summer is pride season. From June to September,

9:13

the 2SLGBTQ Plus community celebrates.

9:17

For cairn pots, uplifting the 2SLGBTQ Plus

9:20

community is a year-round responsibility.

9:23

He's a 2-spirit social media influencer and

9:25

youth advocate. Cairn also has some

9:28

expert tips to help you celebrate pride

9:30

this summer. Welcome to Unreserved. Thank

9:33

you so much for having me, and it's lovely to meet you. It's

9:36

lovely to meet you too. Let's start with

9:39

the term 2-spirit. What does the term 2-spirit mean

9:41

to you? Well, to me, it's a spiritual identity.

9:45

To me, it's a bit of a role, it's

9:47

a bit of a responsibility, that I play in

9:50

the community, and one that takes the form of,

9:52

you know, being

9:54

an educator, being somebody who is a leader in

9:56

the community. is

10:00

a mediator, somebody who brings new

10:02

perspectives and tries to encourage people

10:05

to be themselves and love

10:07

however they show up in the community. And

10:09

so that's the quick and

10:11

easy version of it. Obviously

10:13

there's a very lengthy history to

10:15

the term two-spirit and not everybody

10:18

ascribes to that and takes that on.

10:21

Every single indigenous community that's out

10:23

here believes their own things. And

10:25

so I'm Nakota Sioux, I'm Iqqabi

10:28

Nakota from Treaty 6 territory from

10:31

the Alexis Nakota Sioux Nation and

10:33

I speak from my experience in

10:35

my community and two-spirit has sort

10:37

of always been something that existed

10:39

in our communities, just maybe wasn't

10:42

necessarily called two-spirit because that's obviously

10:44

a newer English term. So

10:48

it's more than just about your

10:50

gender identity or your sexuality, it's

10:52

sort of a bigger piece in

10:54

the community. How does your two-spirit

10:56

identity influence the way you live

10:58

and work in community? Well

11:00

first of all, yes, you're exactly right. I

11:02

always tell people I'm like, it's not synonymous

11:05

with just for example, being a gay Native

11:07

person which is what I think there's a

11:09

little bit of a misconception about that. But

11:12

as I've learned and all of the

11:14

teachings that I've got through my community, I

11:17

kind of actually said a little bit earlier,

11:19

I have more of a duty, I think,

11:22

a role to play where I look

11:24

out for the younger generation. I try

11:26

my best to provide representation and to

11:29

lead with love and to be somebody

11:31

in the community who accepts

11:33

them for who they are, shows them that

11:35

there's no one right way to be an

11:38

Indigenous man for example and that femininity is

11:41

beautiful and reminding them that that feminine energy

11:43

that exists in our communities, whether it's through

11:45

our two-spirit people or whether it's through our

11:47

women, is something that's sacred

11:49

and beautiful and should be celebrated and not

11:52

stifled or combated. What

11:55

kinds of things do you do

11:58

publicly to fulfill this role? of taking

12:00

care of the youth and representing in

12:02

a beautiful and loving way. I

12:05

do a bunch of things, but I think the biggest one

12:07

that people know me for is being that of a content

12:09

creator. And so it takes the

12:11

form of me making short videos or

12:13

sometimes long videos, telling anecdotes about my

12:15

life and my story and

12:18

sharing that with my audience, of

12:20

which a lot of them are young and

12:22

talking about terms, educating them. And then

12:24

another thing is I actually go out

12:27

into First Nations. I go out

12:29

into reserves. I'm in about

12:31

100 reserves a year. I'm always,

12:33

always, always in different nations, just

12:36

meeting with young people, going and hugging them

12:38

and sitting down with them and spending time

12:40

with them and talking to them and

12:42

becoming friends with them. And so

12:45

that's probably the biggest thing is delivering

12:47

workshops, doing presentations and hosting events in

12:50

communities. And

12:52

what kinds of things do young people

12:54

tell you when you visit them in

12:56

their communities or through your social media

12:58

content? One of the biggest

13:00

things that they tell me that really resonates with me

13:02

and sits with me is, Kai,

13:05

I think that I'm this. Kai,

13:08

I think that I'm that. But

13:11

I don't know if I can tell my family. Kai,

13:14

there's nobody in my family who knows

13:17

that I'm this. What can I do? Or

13:20

hey, Kai, I have my kukum

13:22

with me and she wants to

13:25

know what she can do better to

13:27

help me. And I've had that

13:29

happen quite a bit. It's always the kukums for some

13:31

reason. They're always the ones that people

13:33

can fight in and they go to events like the

13:35

ones I put on. Young

13:37

people, whether you're two-spirit or not, young

13:39

people take on different identities. They try

13:41

different identities, different hairstyles, different names. Everyone

13:44

does that. And that's just a

13:46

normal part of being a young person. So it's

13:48

our job as antis

13:51

in the community or two-spirit people in

13:53

the community to be a

13:55

soft place to land for them and just kind of

13:57

like helping them out and supporting them on their journey.

14:00

That's a wonderful role that you are playing

14:02

in the community. It's so important. Having

14:06

that community is really important, as

14:08

you've just said. You can be

14:10

very lonely feeling

14:12

like you're the only one out there. That's

14:15

why things like Pride have been created. How

14:19

does Pride fit into you and your

14:21

life as a Two-Spirit person? You

14:23

know, completely honestly,

14:26

Pride is an everyday thing for me.

14:29

I don't act or

14:32

do anything any differently during

14:35

Pride Month that I don't do 12 months

14:38

of the year already. And

14:41

so Pride to me is more for other people.

14:44

It's more for the outside community who

14:47

gets an opportunity to come and to take

14:49

a look at all the different colors of

14:51

the rainbow, if you will, that

14:53

exist in our communities. And

14:56

I'm not talking about Indigenous communities. I'm talking

14:58

about queerness at large because I

15:00

truly do think that there's a big

15:02

difference between the way that Two-Spirit people

15:04

celebrate their Pride versus non-Indigenous people

15:06

who are celebrating their Pride in those

15:08

spaces. Although I'm very

15:11

for Pride and I'm a big

15:13

supporter of Pride, I also am

15:15

very transparent with the fact that

15:17

I think that maybe not a lot of these

15:19

spaces are going to be as welcoming

15:22

or safe for brown people

15:24

or Indigenous people, people of

15:26

color. And so that's

15:28

why we have things like, for example, the Two-Spirit

15:30

Pow Wow, and we have spaces for our kin

15:33

where we can go to celebrate, which is

15:35

really exciting. And then there's

15:37

obviously the very traditional queer Pride

15:39

parades that happen in all of the major

15:41

cities. And even some in

15:44

Indigenous nations I'm finding, there was

15:46

a lot of news last year of different First Nations,

15:49

which some of them are quite small, of

15:52

just like a couple thousand people who are

15:54

celebrating their first ever Pride. And I got

15:56

to be at one of the first ever

15:58

Prides in the NAWASH community. Chippewa's

16:00

have been a wash in Northern Ontario last

16:03

year and it was just amazing

16:05

seeing how many young people in these

16:07

nations are just like being

16:10

supported that's really heartwarming because um,

16:13

you know queer people we have very

16:15

high rates of mental mental

16:17

health crises and also of unaliving

16:20

ourselves and that's a really real thing to

16:23

talk about and Seeing

16:25

all of the support that's coming out now

16:27

from older generations is is I

16:29

think the the biggest most heartwarming thing Yeah,

16:32

absolutely You

16:35

talk about you know pride sort of

16:37

being for the greater queer community and

16:39

you know when I was coming out

16:42

Two decades ago. It was hard to find

16:44

a place within within that community because it

16:46

was very non-indigenous led Where

16:49

can we find a place? What is

16:51

your biggest pride season must do for

16:53

indigenous, you know queer to spirit? However,

16:56

they might identify on that spectrum Well

16:58

because I'm an artist and because performance

17:01

art and acting is something

17:03

that I'm really passionate about I

17:05

find myself drawn to Drag

17:07

performers quite a bit because

17:09

I love comedy I love laughing and

17:11

I love I love things that are

17:14

over-the-top and I love the drama of

17:16

theater and of watching Something come to

17:18

life that I can't really totally

17:21

Like sometimes it's hard to even understand what's happening

17:23

on the stage, but it's like so enthralling. So

17:25

that's what you'll find me I'm usually always at

17:28

a drag show watching some of these incredible

17:31

indigenous drag queens that we now have coming out

17:33

left right and center Screaming

17:35

and laughing and having a great time

17:37

watching these incredible performers Is

17:40

there any particular sort of event that

17:42

you would want people to keep their

17:44

their eyes open for our performer that

17:47

they should watch for? Yeah, Edmonton is

17:49

having the Edmonton two-spirit society is having

17:51

a two-spirit powwow that's happening in June

17:54

But then also I think if you just

17:56

look at like a two spirits in motion

17:59

society, they have tons of amazing events. Out

18:01

Saskatoon has a ton of great events in

18:04

the GTA there's gonna be a whole calendar full of

18:06

them. All you have to do is go and look

18:08

at the Two Spirit of People of the First Nations

18:10

website and you'll be able to see those. They're really

18:12

good at posting quite frequently so you're up to date

18:14

on everything that's happening and they're

18:16

always looking for volunteers and stuff like that

18:18

too. So if you want to be a

18:21

part of the festivities but you want to

18:23

help out a little bit more you can

18:25

definitely probably put on a volunteer shirt and

18:27

hand out waters and do stuff like that

18:29

and just be of service to the community

18:31

which is a great way to support the

18:33

community as well. What

18:35

about the home bodies or the people who

18:37

live away from big centers? What are smaller

18:39

ways to take part in Pride? Majority

18:41

of the events are live stream too so you

18:43

can watch them on social media which is incredible

18:46

and if you have like

18:48

accessibility needs then there's definitely

18:51

a lot of events that are happening online.

18:53

One thing that I tell people is you

18:55

can go on social media and search different

18:57

hashtags for example Two Spirit things like that

18:59

and if you look at

19:02

those hashtags on for example TikTok what

19:04

you're gonna find is that

19:06

a lot of people who are at

19:08

these events post in real time or

19:10

are on live as well so definitely

19:12

check those out and you won't miss

19:14

out. Oh that's great

19:17

thank you for that tip I'm gonna

19:19

write that down hashtags TikTok. Totally it's

19:22

it's where it's at.

19:24

What do you recommend for people who you

19:26

know might want to be allies to support

19:28

the Two Spirit and Indigiquir community you know

19:31

as we celebrate Pride this month? I

19:33

think one of the biggest things is helping

19:35

us to combat a lot of the myths

19:37

and stereotypes that exist out there just

19:40

having people be really ignorant

19:43

and totally not understanding what

19:45

Two Spirit identity is and not really respecting

19:48

it and so one of the things I

19:50

tell non indigenous people who are asking how

19:52

to be allies is go

19:55

read a book go go

19:57

listen open your ears open your heart

19:59

and really take it in and be

20:01

respectful. And then the second thing

20:03

I say is E-transfer me immediately. I'm a

20:05

Two-Spirit person, support me! No, just

20:08

kidding. But there are

20:10

ways that you can support the different organizations.

20:12

I already mentioned a couple of them. Two-Spirits

20:14

and Motion Society, which is a national organization

20:16

that does a lot of work for our

20:18

Two-Spirit communities all over the country. And then

20:20

we have Two-Spirit People of the First Nations,

20:22

which is Ontario, all of Ontario,

20:24

which is an incredible organization. I used to

20:26

work for both of them. And

20:28

then also the Edmonton Two-Spirit Society, which is

20:31

a great organization, which I also work for, who

20:33

does a lot of frontline stuff

20:36

with the community, which is super, super,

20:39

super needed. You know, being

20:41

a safe place for our

20:43

little Two-Spirit babies who deserve to be

20:45

protected. Absolutely. And as

20:48

people go out there into the

20:50

world, maybe go to a celebration,

20:52

a Pride celebration. What should they

20:54

be mindful of as they, you

20:57

know, as they take that space and

20:59

share that space with people? You're

21:02

gonna see some things that maybe you

21:04

haven't seen. Your eyes are gonna

21:06

be placed on a lot of people who are

21:08

being vulnerable. And you have to remember it's their

21:11

space, you know. You're a

21:13

guest in that space. And when I'm

21:15

a guest in people's spaces, I act accordingly. I

21:18

think it's all about just keeping an open heart

21:20

and open mind, being

21:22

very respectful and always ask for

21:24

consent if you're trying to touch

21:26

anybody. I know you think

21:29

my earrings are gorgeous because they are,

21:31

but that doesn't mean you get to come

21:33

up and rip on them and touch them. Also, don't touch

21:35

my hair. Don't touch a drag queen's hair. Drag

21:38

is a non-contact sport. But

21:40

then also, yeah, just be mindful of your

21:42

space and be mindful of the energy that

21:44

you're bringing. And remember that it's a celebration

21:46

leading with love. And if there's

21:49

no love in what you're doing, then respectfully stay

21:51

home. Excellent

21:55

tips and reminders. Thank you for that.

21:58

And finally, what's on your Pride

22:00

playlist in terms of you know,

22:02

indigiquir, two-spirit people who are making

22:04

music and getting all on the

22:06

dance floor that way. Well,

22:09

I think everybody needs to go

22:11

and check out Kewana Style who is

22:13

a two-spirit queer pop

22:15

icon who releases banger after

22:17

banger after banger and will

22:20

just get your dance floor

22:22

pumping and pumping. There's an

22:24

artist named Natasha Fisher from

22:27

Toronto who's two-spirit makes incredible

22:29

pop music that just

22:31

reminds me of being out in a

22:34

meadow with like butterflies and a bright

22:36

sun. It's just feel good, happy go

22:38

lucky music which is super incredible. Bobby

22:41

Sanchez, also check out Bobby Sanchez, incredible

22:44

two-spirit artist from the States who does

22:46

really powerful almost like spoken word poetry

22:48

rapping which is, it just

22:51

gives you chills when you listen to it. Yeah,

22:53

the list can just go on and on and on but those are some

22:55

good ones to start. You're a beautiful

22:57

beautiful spirit. Thank you for spending time with me

22:59

today. I had so much fun. Ishneesh

23:01

Hai Hai, thank you so much, Rosanna, for having me.

23:05

Kyron Potts is a two-spirit

23:07

social media influencer and youth

23:09

advocate. Let's

23:11

listen to one of the artists on his

23:13

playlist. That's

23:24

Kwanis Style and Love is

23:26

Calling. Definitely adding that one

23:28

to my playlist this summer. And

23:31

you know what else a good

23:33

playlist needs? Podcasts. Phalen

23:35

Johnson is the host of The Secret

23:38

Life of Canada now in its sixth

23:40

season. You can definitely add that pod

23:42

to your favorites. Here's Phalen with a

23:44

few more. I'm

23:48

Phalen Johnson. I'm the co-host and co-creator

23:50

of The Secret Life of Canada podcast

23:52

on CBC now in its sixth season.

23:54

I'm Mohawk and Tuscarora from Six Nations

23:57

in Southern Ontario and here are some

23:59

podcasts. I

24:02

recently came across a couple of podcasts

24:04

that I hadn't heard of before and

24:06

they're both sort of similar in the

24:08

sense that they're about indigenous representation on

24:11

film and TV. And

24:13

that's something that I'm really excited about

24:15

right now. I think with shows like

24:17

Reservation Dogs and movies like Killers of

24:20

the Flower Moon, the Scorsese film that

24:22

Lily Gladstone was nominated for. It

24:25

just seems like there's a lot happening more

24:27

than I've seen before and while all of

24:29

it isn't perfect all of the time, seeing

24:31

that representation on the

24:33

small screen and on the big screen is

24:36

really exciting and makes me feel like there's a

24:39

whole world of possibility. So

24:41

the first podcast is called Actors and Ancestors

24:43

and it's hosted by Joel D. Montgrain. He's

24:45

a Kree guy and he works in the

24:47

industry so he was just on the latest

24:49

season of True Detective. It

24:52

is an interview style podcast with different indigenous performers.

24:54

A lot of them he does admit to being

24:56

friends with and I mean our community is small,

24:58

right? So that makes sense. We all kind of

25:00

know each other. I went to

25:02

theatre school and so I was an actor

25:04

for a hot minute. So hearing someone talk

25:06

about the industry from that perspective and

25:08

it's so specific to our experience and the

25:11

things that happen in the industry and the

25:13

thing that these actors come

25:15

up against or they're faced with and how complicated that

25:17

can be. But also how

25:20

exciting it is right now to be

25:22

seeing so much representation and to be

25:24

seeing so much more opportunity for our

25:27

talent. The

25:31

next podcast that I'm excited to dive

25:33

deeper into this one is called Real

25:35

Indigenous. So again, film and TV.

25:37

I love the interview style. It

25:40

gives lots of space for whoever they're interviewing

25:42

to speak. So you really feel like you're

25:44

hearing them. The format is

25:47

interview style but also them diving

25:49

into films from days

25:51

of yore. So films like Thunderheart. But

25:53

then they also I listen to a

25:55

great interview with Benadio Horne

25:57

who plays Dear Woman. from

26:00

reservation dogs, and that was just live

26:02

on stage. And there's just

26:04

something about this type of content

26:07

where it's, you know, it's

26:09

our entertainers and our artists speaking to,

26:11

you know, other people who are either

26:13

in the industry or interested in the

26:15

industry, that we can just

26:17

go down a deeper level and we can

26:19

have more of a real conversation. There's just

26:21

a different level of authenticity here and fun.

26:25

And I kind of just love to hear it. In

26:28

making a list like this, I would be

26:31

remiss to not include Connie Walker's work. If

26:34

you haven't heard Surviving St. Michael's, that's

26:36

sort of my favorite one because it's

26:38

so personal because it is a

26:40

story about her family. So she gets to take

26:42

what she does so well, which is that personal

26:45

journalism with a mix of

26:47

investigative and really push them

26:49

together. And it's so intimate and there's so

26:52

much heart in that series. I had the

26:54

opportunity to speak with her about this recently

26:56

and I got to say to her, I

26:58

was like, you put ceremony in a podcast.

27:01

I heard it. There's a montage

27:03

with, you know, original scoring and an

27:05

honor song. I was

27:08

listening to it and I remember I just like had

27:10

to kind of stop because I was so like, oh

27:12

my God, I'm in ceremony. And whether, you know, whether

27:14

you know it or not, like whether you're indigenous or

27:16

not, you might not know what that is, but there

27:18

was so much weight to it in a

27:21

way that I was in awe. I

27:23

was in awe of it and I always am. Like her

27:25

work is stunning and

27:28

smart. She makes this work

27:30

and she admits her mistakes and

27:32

she's so honest about it. And

27:34

forthright that it just kind of makes

27:36

you love her as a storyteller and

27:39

trust her. Well,

27:41

and you know, if none of those work for

27:44

you, there's always a really good history podcast called

27:46

The Secret Life of Canada. It's in its sixth

27:48

season and it's featuring the

27:50

two lovely voices of Lia Simone Bowen

27:52

and Phalen Johnson. This

27:56

year I went in with this feeling of

27:58

wanting to look at Canadian history. as

28:00

not something that just happens in Canada. I

28:03

wanted to sort of reach

28:05

further and see, you know, where

28:07

Canada has had an impact in

28:09

other places. And so we

28:11

did an episode on the secret life of the

28:13

Canadian teen drama and looking at the global impact

28:15

of Degrassi, the series, all

28:17

of the iterations of Degrassi, and then

28:20

also talking to international fans. Then

28:22

things are gonna get a little heavier in the

28:24

next few weeks, like we've released an episode on

28:27

the Royal Proclamation, we're doing a big episode on

28:29

Treaty 6, which is a deep dive. And

28:32

then one coming up that's coming up later

28:34

in the season is I'm looking at indigenous

28:36

people abroad. Because it's documented

28:38

about, you know, many indigenous people going

28:40

overseas at different points, whether they went

28:42

by choice or were taken to slaves

28:44

or captives or prisoners, our feet

28:47

did touch that land. And so I kind of want

28:49

to look at those people's stories and see what

28:51

happened to them. Go. Phaelyn

28:56

Johnson is Mohawk in Tuscarora from

28:58

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30:00

movies and has been her whole life. A

30:02

few years ago she started a podcast called

30:05

The Red Gaze. As

30:07

you might guess, it offers a

30:09

counter narrative to the so-called white

30:11

gaze or the assumption that those

30:14

watching and buying movies identify as

30:16

white. In her podcast,

30:18

Cheryl and guests dissect movies and

30:20

TV shows through an indigenous lens.

30:23

From classics like Thunderheart to newer

30:26

productions like Reservation Dogs and Killers

30:28

of the Flower Moon, there's

30:30

a lot to talk about. Cheryl

30:32

is an enrolled member of the Standing

30:35

Rock Sioux Tribe. She's here to tell

30:37

us more about The Red Gaze and

30:39

be our guide to what we should be

30:41

watching this summer on the small and big

30:43

screens. Cheryl, welcome to

30:45

Unreserved. Thank you. Thanks for

30:47

having me. So when did you

30:49

first fall in love with movies?

30:51

I would say I've loved movies

30:53

my entire life. Going to the

30:55

movies was always fun as a

30:57

kid. We had a local

30:59

drive-in and so just going to the

31:01

drive-in was a really cool thing. And

31:04

we lived way out in the country

31:06

where there wasn't a whole lot to

31:08

do and so watching movies was always

31:10

a good thing. Yeah. And

31:12

what role did movies and watching movies

31:14

play in your family's life? Well, growing

31:16

up, I mean, there wasn't a whole

31:18

lot of Native representation in movies, so

31:20

that was always a challenge. I

31:22

think it wasn't until I was in probably

31:25

middle school and high school that

31:27

there was probably a little bit

31:29

more representation than there had

31:31

been in the past. And

31:34

so movies became a little more fun and they're

31:37

a lot more fun now. Yeah.

31:40

Was your family the kind of family that

31:42

like went out together and

31:44

went to the drive-in and then talked about

31:47

the movies and just was very excited sort

31:49

of sort of

31:51

event, I suppose? Yeah. I

31:54

think not so much growing

31:56

up, but as I got older and started my

31:58

own just

32:00

watching movies with my kids. And I

32:02

always said we talk in movies. So

32:04

we'll say movie quotes to each other.

32:06

Our favorite movie quotes, you know, that

32:09

apply to a certain circumstance or something

32:11

like that. And just, you know, we

32:13

always know which movie we reference because

32:15

there's certain movies we watched over and

32:17

over and over and over. Yeah. Yeah.

32:19

I know the feeling. What is your

32:22

favorite movie to quote? For me, it's

32:24

Princess Bride, but you know, because that's

32:26

the greatest movie ever made. But what

32:28

is it for you? Oh, my God.

32:31

Yes. I can tell you

32:33

that Princess Bride, my daughter and I

32:35

speak Princess Bride fluently to each other.

32:37

We quote Little Big Man a lot.

32:39

Yeah, there's a lot of those old

32:41

movies that we just they have some

32:44

some really cool one liners. What's your

32:46

favorite one liner from Little Big Man?

32:48

It's one duck, one

32:50

duck. Grandson.

32:55

Yeah. And

32:57

I love Chief Dan George, any

32:59

movie that he was in. So he

33:02

has some really fun quotes

33:04

from the outlaw Josie Wales.

33:08

When he he's talking to

33:10

Clint Eastwood about, you know,

33:12

his experiences with the government and

33:15

he's he's talking about an instance

33:17

where he went to the met with the

33:20

president and the president told him endeavor to

33:22

persevere. He shook our

33:24

hands and said. And

33:27

ever to persevere. And

33:30

he says it in this just the way

33:32

he says it. So any time we're like

33:34

a tease my daughter when we're having a

33:36

hard time, then I'll say endeavor to persevere.

33:41

People must think you're a bit off when you're in

33:43

public and. Oh, yeah. Seven of

33:46

these. Yeah,

33:48

a bit of a weirdo. That's OK.

33:50

Us nerds have to stick together. Thank

33:53

you. I'm right there with you. You

33:55

mentioned representation a little earlier.

33:58

Indigenous representation in movies. Do

34:00

you remember the first time you noted that most

34:02

movies you were watching and that didn't have

34:07

a lot of indigenous people in it?

34:11

I can remember the movie that

34:14

made me aware that we couldn't be

34:16

in movies. We

34:19

never watched Westerns or anything like that

34:21

growing up, so it wasn't until I

34:23

was older that I actually saw Western

34:26

and was outraged at the representation

34:28

there. But I remember when

34:30

I was in middle school

34:33

somewhere and I saw Billy Jack. Obviously, Billy Jack's

34:35

a white guy, but in the movie, he was

34:37

a halfie like me. It

34:43

just blew my mind. Like, oh wow, I'm

34:45

in a movie. A

34:48

person like me is in a movie and

34:51

he was just fighting for Native rights and

34:53

standing up for Native kids. Like I said,

34:55

it kind of blew my mind because up

34:57

until that point, it was

34:59

such a normal state of

35:02

movies to not see Native representation

35:04

that it blew my mind to think

35:07

that, wow, we could make

35:09

movies like this. Billy

35:11

Jack, man, the original hero. Just

35:14

saying. How does that line go?

35:16

I'm going to take off my right boot. I'm

35:18

going to put my right foot on your left

35:20

jaw and there ain't nothing you can do about

35:22

it. I'm going to

35:25

take this right foot

35:27

and I'm going to walk you on that side of

35:29

your face. And

35:31

you want to know something? There's

35:34

not a damn thing you're going to be able to do about

35:36

it. That's it.

35:39

That's it. And do

35:41

you remember like a time when

35:43

there was a moment that the

35:45

industry started to realize, hey, we

35:48

can make movies for indigenous people and

35:50

movie lovers and they will come and

35:52

see it. I

35:55

think for me, the time period that I

35:57

grew up, Dances with Wolves was the really

35:59

big shift where people

36:01

were like, wow, these types of

36:04

movies could really win awards, and

36:06

they appeal to

36:08

a popular audience. Obviously,

36:10

it was still a white savior type

36:14

of movie, but we

36:16

weren't just props. A

36:19

lot of the movies that we

36:21

review now through the Red Gaze,

36:23

we talk about how we're simply

36:25

props. We're

36:28

not really integral to the story,

36:30

whereas I think in Dances with

36:32

Wolves, it was really the first

36:35

major effort to take us

36:37

out of the background

36:39

and make us part of the story, a true part of

36:41

the story. I think that

36:44

really, as much as

36:46

we doggone Dances with Wolves, I think it

36:50

really was a shift

36:52

for the theater industry,

36:54

the movie industry. Absolutely,

36:56

and everybody we knew was in it. Great. Hey,

37:01

that's my cousin. You

37:06

mentioned the Red Gaze podcast, which has

37:08

dozens of episodes already under its belt.

37:10

How would you describe it to someone

37:12

who hasn't heard it before? I would

37:15

say it's just a bunch of little

37:17

res kids talking about movies and Native

37:19

representation in movies. We're

37:21

not by any means a professional

37:24

podcast. We just kind

37:26

of get together as

37:28

much as we can and review

37:30

the movies that we all loved

37:33

watching and continue to

37:35

love watching. A lot

37:37

of the movies, the

37:40

classics, The Little Big Man, The

37:42

Thunderheart, Powwow Highway, the ones that

37:44

we really enjoy watching, but then

37:47

also being able to pick apart

37:50

movies that are really problematic like

37:52

Pocahontas and The New World and

37:55

different ones that are really problematic

37:58

for us. We

38:00

just enjoy visiting, teasing,

38:02

you know, having a

38:04

conversation about movies. Let's

38:07

get into some recommendations. What's

38:10

your top movie recommendation for

38:12

listeners this summer? Well, I

38:14

went back to the podcasters

38:16

that were all part of this

38:18

and just said, you know, what were some of the

38:21

favorite movies that we've looked at recently.

38:24

And so there were

38:27

three that came out on top. I

38:29

don't know if we have one really

38:31

top, top movie. I'm gonna guess Prey

38:34

was probably our top

38:36

movie that we just loved.

38:39

Everybody loved it. It was

38:41

great acting, great perspective. It

38:43

was indigenous centered. Prey was

38:45

centered in an indigenous woman

38:47

who ran into the early

38:49

versions of the creditor and

38:52

basically outwitted him and

38:55

was able to save her people and really

38:57

be recognized as a warrior. It checked all

38:59

the boxes, you know, the thing that we

39:01

loved about it the most was it like

39:03

it blew white men's minds

39:05

to have a kick-ass native

39:07

woman hero, you

39:10

know, who used her wits to

39:12

outsmart this threat. Why

39:17

do you want to hunt? Because

39:20

you all think that I can't. I

39:25

saw a sign in the sky. I'm

39:28

ready. Yeah,

39:30

so we just loved Prey. Yeah, I

39:32

can't say enough about how great

39:34

that movie was. Yeah, it was

39:37

really special. What's your number

39:39

two recommendation? Number two was War

39:41

Pony. War Pony didn't

39:44

get as much attention, I think, as Prey

39:47

as much marketing and things like that as

39:49

Prey, but War Pony was probably

39:52

the most relatable film

39:54

that we've ever done that showed

39:58

the reality of reservation

40:00

life but wasn't all about it wasn't

40:02

about poverty porn it was just a

40:04

story about a young

40:08

man trying to

40:10

survive in his environment and and

40:12

trying to make good by his

40:14

family and all

40:16

the challenges that he run it runs into

40:18

and in trying to do that and we

40:21

love the ending it's a surprise

40:23

ending i won't and i won't spoil the ending

40:25

for anybody but war pony is it's just

40:28

such a relatable film everybody loved that one

40:30

as well all right well keep

40:32

a watch out for that and what about

40:34

your number three recommendation fry red face and

40:37

me i'm cheering and waving my arms with

40:39

joy i love this movie so much but

40:41

the stage is yours tell us what it's

40:43

about yeah i think all

40:46

of the the podcasters on the red gaze

40:48

that watched it were like man this is

40:51

really slow it's you know it didn't really

40:53

the first time watching through were like used

40:55

to the action type of movies but

40:58

then um the second time

41:00

watching it through just really letting

41:02

the pace lead the

41:04

story absolutely and

41:07

for people who might not have watched or

41:09

or know about fry bread face me that

41:11

follows a young boy as he goes

41:13

from the urban center and spends the summer

41:15

with his kukum on the res

41:18

meets his cousin they sort of

41:20

start out with animosity and then

41:22

eventually they just blossom

41:24

and cousin love it's just a beautiful film

41:26

you're gonna spend the summer with your grandma

41:29

over on the navajo res you said i

41:31

could go to flailing mac devil music

41:33

stephanie nixon's witch and

41:36

this is how my summer began oh yeah

41:39

it just like bloomed in

41:41

so many ways and it

41:44

was such a again such a

41:46

relatable experience of especially you know

41:48

going from urban tribal community

41:51

to reservation community and the and

41:54

the connections that you make as

41:56

family a lot

41:58

of us have family that we're on relocation and

42:02

came home and so just having that

42:04

big city experience and then moving back

42:06

home again and

42:10

the relationships with your cousins and your grandmas

42:12

and your uncles and all of that. It

42:15

was such a relatable experience.

42:17

There was humor in it and there

42:19

was a lot of nostalgia to it.

42:22

We called it the native

42:25

standby me story where

42:27

you just really at the end of

42:30

the movie, you just really feel like,

42:32

hey, I've been there. I've been on

42:34

that journey as well. It's

42:38

interesting that the three movies

42:41

that we recommend were

42:43

really not big box office

42:45

movies. They were streaming,

42:47

they put out on streaming services

42:50

first and people would

42:52

say that they're maybe testing out

42:54

the audience, the viewership to see

42:57

if there's an audience for native

42:59

films. Whenever

43:01

we do the podcast,

43:03

the Red Gaze, we always tell people, go

43:05

watch the movie, give it a like, let

43:08

the streaming services know that you like these movies

43:11

and you want to see more of them because

43:13

that's what will drive

43:15

this exploration into more Red

43:18

Gaze type of movies. What

43:20

about a classic recommendation? Something that

43:22

you could watch anytime? Little big

43:24

man. It's got

43:28

a little bit of the White Savior

43:30

vibes, but it's not a White Savior

43:32

film. It's just a

43:34

commentary. But the white man,

43:38

they believe everything is dead. Stone,

43:42

earth, animals, and

43:45

people, even their own

43:48

people. If

43:50

things keep trying to live, white

43:53

man will rob them out. We

43:56

love the fact that it's really

43:58

one of those films that criticize

44:00

criticizes non-native society and

44:02

criticizes some of the hypocrisies.

44:05

And for a film of its

44:07

time, at the time it was made, that

44:10

was sort of unprecedented. And so I think

44:13

that's something that we like about it. We

44:15

also just love, you know, Chief Dan George

44:17

and just like totally made that

44:20

film. And so yeah, I think all of

44:22

us really like that film. Yes, it's a

44:24

good classic to watch. Thank you so much

44:26

for your recommendations and your time today, Cheryl.

44:29

Yes, you're welcome. Thank you. I appreciate it.

44:33

Cheryl Carey is the host of the Red

44:35

Gaze podcast and an enrolled

44:37

member of the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe.

44:41

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44:45

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44:47

One. I'm Rosanna, dear

44:49

child. What's

44:52

summer without food? Whether

44:54

you like to get your hands dirty in

44:56

the garden, or simply enjoy the summer spoils,

44:59

this season brings forth plenty of

45:01

fresh ingredients. We asked

45:04

our favorite Six Nations chef to share

45:06

some of her regional favorites. All

45:08

she asks is that we think outside the

45:10

box. Here's Aisha Smith-Belgaba

45:13

with her top five ingredients

45:15

for the summer. Hi,

45:18

I'm Aisha Smith-Belgaba. I'm Mohawk from Six

45:20

Nations of the Grand River, a chef

45:22

and entrepreneur. And I'm here to talk

45:24

to you today about five ingredients you

45:27

should keep your eye out for the

45:29

summer. My

45:34

first recommendation is strawberries and any

45:36

other berries you can get your

45:38

hands on. I think they're super

45:40

beautiful. They're very healthy. I like

45:43

to have them fresh just right

45:45

out of the garden. You can make them into

45:47

a sorbet, a traditional drink

45:49

that we have here in Six

45:51

Nations is strawberry juice. So

45:54

we just mash up some fresh strawberries,

45:56

add some sugar in there and water

45:58

and then we have strawberries. juice. Other

46:01

berries you can mix them in with the

46:03

strawberries and actually cook them down and turn

46:06

it into a sauce and that can be

46:08

served with poultry or fish, red

46:10

meat, add a little sugar, a

46:12

little salt, a little bit of pepper and you

46:16

just cook it down till it gets thicker

46:18

and then you can serve it with all

46:20

those different kinds of meat or just have

46:22

it on potatoes, vegetables, whatever you want. Another

46:30

ingredient to look out for are

46:33

garlic scapes. So garlic scapes are

46:35

those long green tops that grow

46:37

out of garlic bulbs and

46:40

they are bean like in look

46:42

and texture. They're really green and

46:44

firm and when they're fresh they're

46:47

snappy how a bean would

46:49

snap in half. Good ways to

46:51

eat those are pickling them. They're so

46:53

so so good as a pickle because

46:55

they have all that super strong pungent

46:58

garlic flavor inside the stock

47:01

and you can also use it in place

47:03

of garlic so if you don't have the

47:06

garlic clove you can use the garlic scapes

47:08

just the same way you would use garlic

47:10

and it adds such good flavor. The only

47:12

difference is it would be green in color

47:14

instead of the the white that the garlic

47:17

bulb would be. And

47:21

coming in at number three are

47:23

tomatoes. Now tomatoes are probably

47:26

my favorite food in

47:28

the whole world. I feel like you

47:30

can just eat them anytime anywhere anyplace

47:32

any reason but

47:36

ways I like to eat tomatoes are like

47:38

an apple just right off the

47:40

plant. When it's super fresh give it a

47:42

little wash off. Take a bite

47:45

add some salt, salad, soup,

47:47

sauces. You can pickle green

47:49

tomatoes when they're smaller and

47:52

more firm. They're super crunchy

47:54

once they're pickled. Also I

47:56

love fried green tomatoes and

47:59

and I'll just Nigerian dish that I would

48:01

make with my grandma is

48:04

called Fifla and it's literally just

48:06

fresh green peppers that are fire

48:08

roasted. And then you cook that

48:10

down with tomatoes, olive oil, salt,

48:12

pepper, garlic, and it's super, super

48:14

good. And you have it with some

48:16

fresh bread. That dish always reminds me

48:18

of my grandma. All

48:22

right, so at number four, we have

48:24

fresh greens. And in this category, I'm

48:26

putting lettuces in there and fresh herbs.

48:29

And they have a lot of versatility more than just

48:31

a salad. So with endives,

48:34

so more firm, not necessarily green, but

48:36

something that would be used in a

48:38

salad as a lettuce sort of those

48:40

can be grilled romaine lettuce can be

48:43

grilled as well as roasted

48:45

and it adds a really unique flavor and

48:47

changes the texture as well. Old

48:50

salads, I like to make, you know, just a

48:52

regular salad with fresh greens, add

48:54

some herbs in there. You

48:57

can use fresh herbs as lettuces too

48:59

and add that into your lettuce mix.

49:01

And it adds little punches of flavor

49:03

throughout your salad. Super good. Throw

49:05

them in pasta salad with

49:08

the herbs. You can dry them. You can

49:10

make your own herb blends. You can turn

49:12

them into sauces, vinaigrette, marinades. You

49:14

can lay down a bunch of fresh herbs

49:16

and then steam fish on top of it.

49:18

And the flavors would impart throughout the fish

49:21

while the steaming process happens. Yeah,

49:24

a lot of fun stuff you can do

49:26

with greens aside from just a regular basic

49:28

salad. So

49:32

at number five, we have peaches and

49:34

I absolutely adore peaches. I just think

49:36

they're so delicious. You can eat

49:38

them in so many different ways. You

49:41

can find these in all the

49:43

same places you would the other

49:45

ingredients, grocery stores, farmers markets. If

49:48

you want to start a longer journey with

49:50

a peach, you can go plant a tree,

49:52

but make sure you have a couple of

49:54

them because they need to have a group

49:56

to help each other pollinate. Everyone

49:59

needs friends. to peaches. Ways

50:05

I like to eat them are grilling

50:07

them and serving them with fish or

50:10

some type of chicken or something. You

50:13

can also make them into vinaigrette's.

50:16

Just throw some fresh peach in a blender

50:18

with some olive oil, a little vinegar, salt,

50:20

pep, maybe

50:22

basil. Basil would be good in there. Blend

50:25

that up and then with no time

50:27

you have a vinaigrette. They're

50:29

great in salads. You can use them in place

50:31

of tomatoes. Like have

50:33

a peach caprese salad with

50:35

no tomatoes or have tomatoes

50:37

and peaches. Turn it

50:39

into marinades. You can make hot sauce

50:41

with peaches and of course desserts like

50:44

sorbet. Turn it into

50:46

a cake or a pie. Super

50:49

versatile, very good and

50:52

yummy. These

50:55

are my top fives to look out

50:57

for in the summer. Take

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these ingredients, do what you will

51:02

with them but please experiment in

51:04

new ways and let's break that

51:06

box around people's minds and where

51:08

fruit should be used. You can use

51:10

fruit and savory applications too. Lettuces

51:13

can go into soups, they can be grilled, they

51:15

can be roasted. Just

51:17

really start to explore and experiment with

51:20

what you have around you and at

51:22

hand. I just truly think

51:24

that food is a great way to stay connected

51:26

with nature, your community and

51:29

yourself of course. Your

51:31

stomach is so important to

51:34

your mental health so eating well

51:36

also contributes to having a good mind

51:39

and having a good mind leads to

51:41

having a great life so let's eat great

51:43

food and have great lives. Aisha

51:47

Smith-Balgaba is Mohawk from Six

51:49

Nations. She is a chef and

51:52

entrepreneur. That's all

51:54

our time on Radio Indigenous. This

51:56

episode was produced by Kim

51:58

Kasher, Rhiannon Johnson, Zoey. Lieutenant

52:00

and Elena Hudgens-Lyle. You

52:03

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