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This

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is a CBC Podcast. Hi

0:36

there, I'm David Ridgen. I'm a filmmaker, writer,

0:38

and the host of the CBC Podcast, Someone

0:40

Knows Something. I want to tell you about

0:43

Angel Karlich. I investigate

0:45

Angel's case in the new season of Someone

0:47

Knows Something. Angel was

0:49

a vibrant 19-year-old youth

0:51

worker, nicknamed Happy-Go-Lucky

0:53

by some of her loved ones up in the Yukon. She

0:56

had big plans after graduation

0:59

to become legal guardian of her brother and

1:01

was working to support struggling youth at her

1:03

local resource centre. But

1:05

in May 2007, as she was

1:07

celebrating her graduation from high school,

1:10

Angel disappeared. Months

1:13

later, her remains were found in a remote area

1:15

outside Whitehorse. In

1:17

the highly anticipated eighth season

1:20

of Someone Knows Something, I delve

1:22

into this cold case that has haunted

1:24

the whole area for more than 15 years. Working

1:28

alongside Angel's family, friends, and

1:30

community, I uncover new details

1:32

about the case and strive to

1:35

bring Angel justice

1:35

while honouring the legacy

1:38

of her late mother, Wendy. Here's

1:40

the first episode,

1:42

Angel. Have a listen. There's

1:55

Cheesh Mr.

2:00

Shoho. Thank

2:03

you, Mom. Okay,

2:06

I feel better. I feel stronger now. I'll

2:09

call you when I'm done, please. Okay,

2:15

I love you. Sorry.

2:19

You don't have to be sorry. I'm

2:22

gonna follow you. I've just avoided

2:25

this part of the whole

2:27

life, this is it, Steve.

2:34

I see that. That's a willow.

2:38

Yes. You can make heat out of that and it has a

2:40

natural aspirin in it. Or if you

2:43

get stung by a bee or something, you can chew

2:45

up the leaves and then put it on the sting and it will

2:47

relieve the pain.

2:48

It's

2:51

better in the spring when the stop is running on the willow

2:54

longer. Not much of a botanist,

2:56

but I know what my mother taught me.

3:00

I'm not sure.

3:01

We're

3:07

here. Oh.

3:16

Should we go there? Yes.

3:38

I come in peace and

3:40

respect and honor. We're

3:54

peaceful

3:55

having the bird sing. In

4:03

late 2007, human remains

4:05

were discovered here in the wooded outskirts

4:08

of a Yukon subdivision. It

4:11

was soon confirmed that they were those of an

4:13

18-year-old who disappeared from Whitehorse

4:15

over five months earlier. Tiny,

4:18

effervescent, and fiercely independent,

4:21

her name was Angel Karlek.

4:25

Are you ready?

4:26

No, I'm good. You want to be here to take you in there? Okay.

4:29

Just follow me then.

4:38

I'm David Rijen and this is Someone Knows Something,

4:41

Season 8, the Angel Karlek

4:43

Case, Episode 1. Angel.

5:07

Well,

5:08

my whole name is Ethan Alexander.

5:13

Ethan Alexander Karlek, or just

5:15

Alex as I've come to know him, Angel's

5:18

brother, now age 30 and

5:20

living in Good Hope Lake, Northern BC.

5:22

I

5:24

don't know. I'm not really sure

5:26

what you are here.

5:29

Something about the way Angel disappeared

5:31

so suddenly at an exciting time in her life

5:34

and the effect that it had on her family struck

5:36

me. And when a window of opportunity

5:38

arose, I decided to call Alex to

5:40

check the status of the case and to

5:42

see what he thought of my potential involvement

5:44

in it. But

5:46

I was always close with my sister. She

5:50

turned 18, she tried to get me out of the group home,

5:53

but then I was pretty much close to when

5:55

she went missing because

5:57

she went missing before her 19th birthday.

6:02

I first read about Angel's case over a decade

6:04

ago. Hers was one of many

6:06

cases of young indigenous women who

6:08

have gone missing or have been murdered in

6:11

Canada. She and her family

6:13

are members of the Casca Denna First Nation.

6:16

The investigation seemed to be bogged down,

6:19

as many are, by a lack of momentum

6:22

and plenty of rumors. And

6:24

a mistrust of the Royal Canadian

6:26

Mounted Police, or RCMP, was

6:29

pervasive and still is today.

6:32

Coming out of all this, my belief is

6:34

that Angel's full story needs

6:36

to be heard, and that her case

6:39

can be solved.

6:41

I was only around like 16

6:44

and all that, like we just depended on ourselves

6:47

and my sister once we became like 11 years

6:50

old. Pretty

6:51

independent people.

6:53

Yeah,

6:55

I started cooking like when I was seven.

6:57

We

6:58

didn't really talk about our future and

7:00

our lives together, but

7:02

we weren't really kind of like that kind

7:04

of brother and sister. Never

7:06

really asked what a future was going

7:08

to look like.

7:11

I asked Alex what he thinks of me looking

7:13

into his sister's case. I

7:15

actually think he liked anything would

7:17

be helpful.

7:20

At night after Angel's murder,

7:23

Alex moved back to Good Hope Lake, home

7:26

to the Deas River First Nation. Alex

7:28

works at a wood shop in the community that makes things

7:31

like log cabins and wood products for the

7:33

mining industry. Yeah,

7:35

now I'm enjoying my

7:37

time off because I pushed it pretty hard

7:40

to get all of our orders out. I

7:43

saw a post from you that you were playing hockey to the

7:45

other day if you do a recreational hockey

7:48

team? Yeah,

7:50

we got a team called

7:53

GHL Black Hawk.

7:56

Angel and Alex spent parts of their

7:58

childhood in Good Hope Lake. where they

8:00

lived with their mother, Wendy. Later,

8:03

Wendy moved the family to Whitehorse,

8:05

several hours away by car, for

8:08

Angel and Alex's schooling.

8:10

Angel

8:59

and Alex were eventually separated,

9:02

with Alex living in a group home and

9:04

Angel living with friends or relatives or

9:07

her mother, Wendy. Alex

9:09

tells me that at the time of Angel's disappearance,

9:12

he was only seeing her sporadically, so

9:14

didn't immediately recognize that Angel had disappeared.

9:17

She just graduated and

9:20

took off for a while, so I was

9:22

just still praying for that.

9:25

Eventually, Alex began to hear rumors.

9:51

She

9:54

said

9:55

that my sister might

9:58

have witnessed this, and that's why my sister

9:59

The murder that Alex

10:02

is likely referring to is that of 52-year-old Colin Serenko.

10:17

Serenko

10:23

was assaulted and killed on May 22, 2007, within the

10:26

same period that Angel is thought

10:29

to have disappeared. Serenko

10:32

was reportedly beaten to death beside

10:34

the Yukon River in Whitehorse. His

10:37

case also remains unsolved. The

10:40

story that Angel had somehow witnessed

10:42

Colin's murder circulated soon

10:44

after she disappeared. It

10:46

was reported early on that there was

10:48

no link between Angel's case and Serenko's,

10:51

but it's something I'll be looking into.

10:56

Did you ever figure out or find out which

10:58

person that she knew that saw her last?

11:04

I'm realizing that it's going to be tough

11:06

to undertake an investigation into Angel's

11:08

case and make the connections that

11:10

I need to make over the phone. And

11:13

I'm carefully edging toward the idea of

11:15

traveling to the Yukon to investigate

11:17

on the ground. But to do that,

11:20

I'll need the help of people like Alex, Angel's

11:22

family and friends. That

11:24

support and trust is always important to

11:26

solving cases, but especially here.

11:29

I'm a white man telling an indigenous story,

11:32

interacting with Angel's community. I

11:34

don't take that lightly.

11:40

Did police ever tell you anything about what

11:42

happened to Angel? Did they ever tell you anything about

11:44

that? You know,

11:47

that's what started to be a red flag for me

11:49

too. They don't really tell me why

11:52

don't you guys show me pictures or files or

11:54

anything. Like, where you guys hide

11:56

and they

11:58

wanted to talk to me.

13:18

Thanks

14:02

Trevor. I'll

14:12

have to see if I can pick up Alex Karlek. Last

14:15

night he stayed at a friend's house. And

14:18

the friend happens to be somebody who

14:21

I think used to date Angel Karlek. Chris

14:25

Dawson. So

14:28

hopefully Chris is there.

14:32

Talked Alex for the first

14:34

time really in person. It's

14:51

a rainy cold morning. Eight degrees

14:53

mid July 2022 in Whitehorse,

14:55

Yukon.

14:59

Laid

15:06

out in a valley sandwiched around the Alaska

15:08

Highway on one side and the Yukon

15:10

River on the other, Whitehorse the city

15:13

is spread across over 400 square

15:15

kilometers. As the hub of the

15:17

Yukon, there's a lot of official government

15:19

buildings and mining offices, an

15:22

airport, a university, bars

15:24

and hotels, all dwarfed

15:27

by the rugged river and mountains around

15:29

them. Angel disappeared

15:31

from this place and part of

15:33

my focus going forward is to try to reconstruct

15:36

her timeline here over her final days.

15:39

Where was she? Who was she with? And

15:42

when?

15:45

I liked hearing the Ravens this morning. They

15:47

reminded me of being

15:50

up north in Thompson. Similar

15:52

but different here in the Yukon on the other end of

15:54

the country really.

15:57

The western end. oh

16:01

my god

16:04

overwhelming with sign

16:06

up for alex

16:11

you didn't know the address it is said that there was a diva

16:14

so i roughly know where

16:17

he is

16:27

i pull up outside of a yellow cited house

16:30

with a green since around a grassy yard

16:33

there's an old trailer with a tarp on top and

16:35

a blue truck in the driveway along with

16:37

some would that's been freshly chopped on the ground

16:40

i'm pretty sure this is the place

16:48

a so he says i got my brother

16:50

my sister so we don't mind or company they know who

16:52

my sister was

16:55

soon alex emerges from the side of the house

16:58

and walks tentatively in my direction in

17:00

cargo genes a baggie jacket

17:03

backwards black cap and six silver chain

17:07

alex i

17:10

recognize you

17:13

are you don't say that

17:15

says to see and david

17:19

how's the night last night or

17:21

her well thanks for coming all the slammer

17:24

appreciate it shares

17:27

a whole don't look like you've written facebook

17:29

has thing ah i

17:32

probably older little

17:36

bit a day or

17:40

alex has a friend with him a

17:42

fellow in his thirties and an oversized coat

17:45

and pants wearing a baseball card

17:47

that says ruthless chris

17:49

dawson steps closer

17:52

and i are you

17:55

smog

17:58

brother grimm He

18:01

was Angel's husband. Oh,

18:04

okay. Chris, are you Chris Dawson?

18:07

Yeah.

18:10

Chris Dawson is Angel's ex-boyfriend. Alex calls

18:12

him his brother, but

18:15

Chris Dawson is someone I've been planning to

18:17

track down for an interview. Okay,

18:20

good. You want to come with us, then? We'll chat about Angel

18:22

and if you guys want breakfast.

18:25

Okay, good. I'm

18:27

probably going to do that. Kind of want to

18:29

grab some breakfast? Sure, yeah, let's do

18:31

that. And

18:34

we head out for breakfast.

18:36

Can

18:39

we go pick up my cousin? Sure, yeah,

18:41

we can pick up. I've got room for us to

18:43

read.

18:46

Around a few corners from where I picked up

18:48

Alex and Chris, we pick up Christa,

18:51

a slight, pleasant and smiling woman in

18:53

big sunglasses. She's

18:55

referred to by Alex and Chris as Alex's

18:57

wife, but I'm told this means Christa

19:00

and Alex, our girlfriend-boyfriend.

19:05

What's up? Hi.

19:07

I'm David. Together,

19:10

the friends form a kind of support group for

19:12

each other, and especially, I think,

19:14

for Alex. We head out

19:16

to Tim Hortons for breakfast.

19:22

Left turn?

19:24

That way. Yeah, that way.

19:30

Sky has turned grayer and rainier,

19:33

and we drive through it to a riverside park

19:36

to settle at some wooden picnic tables under a

19:38

gazebo. I

19:41

think about her every day. Chris

19:44

Dawson opens up first.

19:47

Every day in my life.

19:50

I wake up until I go to sleep.

19:55

I

20:01

love the angels. I was a

20:04

soldier man. I

20:07

was always happy-go-lucky

20:09

that was your nickname.

20:11

Happy-go-lucky.

20:14

Yeah, it was a long time ago, it's hard to remember.

20:17

I remember the gorgeous last time

20:19

I saw her.

20:20

It was nice.

20:24

It was beautiful. Tell

20:29

me about the last time you remember seeing

20:31

her and what do you remember from those

20:33

times and that day? We were

20:36

at a... they call it Huchi

20:38

Park. We were all drinking there. It

20:40

was

20:41

the last time I saw

20:42

her. We

20:44

first split up. I had

20:47

to go home. I had to walk. She

20:51

didn't want to walk with me, so I

20:53

failed on going home.

20:56

It was like in the car.

21:01

Chris would have been walking to his home in a subdivision

21:03

here in Whitehorse that locals refer

21:05

to as the village. It's about

21:08

four

21:08

kilometers or a 50-minute walk from

21:10

downtown and home to the Kwanlin-Dun

21:13

First Nation Cultural Center.

21:15

What day? Do you know what day

21:17

that would have been?

21:19

I know it was summertime. Nice

21:22

and hot out. Yeah, we were

21:25

all chilling out having fun.

21:29

In police statements from the time, Dawson

21:31

says he saw Angel at this park, which

21:34

is referred to as LaPage Park on a map,

21:36

around 4 or 4.30 p.m. It's

21:40

a near tree-less concrete area at the center

21:42

of Whitehorse behind the Sternwheeler Hotel.

21:45

But police records also indicate that Dawson

21:47

saw Angel again, later

21:50

at another park around 7 p.m. The

21:52

4-20 park where Dawson told

21:55

police he saw Angel borders a

21:57

forested area at a cliffside below

21:59

the airport.

21:59

in the southeast corner of Whitehorse and

22:02

is a favorite of locals for having parties and

22:05

for people looking for a place to sleep or camp

22:07

who have nowhere else to go.

22:11

What do you remember Alex about seeing her?

22:14

She asked me if I had any money

22:17

and she asked

22:20

to find her drink and I told

22:22

her no. So then

22:29

it was like spent all my

22:31

money on your native grad.

22:44

Last time I saw her was at the

22:49

after party. Oh after grad?

22:52

After grad. I

22:54

saw her just like a glimpse of her and

22:56

then all I heard was that

22:59

she hopped in a cab and

23:01

was lost and heard of her.

23:03

Did you hear about anybody else in the cab or any

23:05

other people she'd been with that night? No, I

23:07

just heard that she wanted to go home and

23:10

she went

23:11

home. And

23:13

who told you that she went into a cab, do you remember? No,

23:18

no I don't. Party

23:26

like people yelling and

23:28

everything.

23:37

Each year high school graduates and their families

23:40

and friends attend what is called a native

23:42

grad as well. Each of these grads

23:45

has gatherings and parties associated

23:47

with them and it is during this very busy

23:49

period that Angel disappeared. The

23:51

timing of some of these events is known but

23:54

not that of others and the stretch of time

23:56

since that late spring of 2007 means that dates are

23:58

made. more difficult,

24:01

as is the process of constructing Angel's last

24:03

moments. Many thought Angel

24:05

had taken a trip somewhere but would be coming

24:07

back. This begs the

24:09

question, when exactly did

24:11

the police start their investigation and

24:14

how thoroughly? What tips

24:16

did they receive and did they chase everyone?

24:19

And I want to see these locations where Angel

24:22

was allegedly last seen. Chris

24:24

Dawson implies that all along, he's

24:27

been a prime suspect.

24:52

The

24:55

last time

24:57

I talked to her, I

24:59

was drinking with her. E.G.

25:02

Park. She went up. She

25:06

didn't want to come home with me so well I gotta go

25:08

home. It

25:10

has to be rough to get close. At

25:17

least I got a loved ones here

25:19

to this day.

25:22

It's clear that Alex is struggling.

25:26

I got my wife right there, I got my brother.

25:30

The only thing that

25:32

keeps me going.

25:40

Alex's state of mind as we look into

25:42

Angel's case is something I'm trying to attune

25:44

to. Revisiting these traumatic

25:47

experiences is always difficult,

25:49

especially for family members. I

25:52

look around and everyone is huddled up and

25:54

starting to shiver.

25:59

We

26:02

can keep chatting over the next few

26:04

days and stuff. Yeah, I'll be there

26:06

if you want brother. You guys are

26:08

all cool to be together. Nicely

26:11

you're supporting each other here, eh?

26:16

We leave the park and since his room

26:18

is now ready, I drop everyone off at

26:20

Alex's hotel for the time being. We

26:23

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27:26

Just heading into Laurie's place

27:28

now. Yeah,

27:32

yeah, yeah.

27:36

There's too many cables in

27:38

this fucking job.

27:39

Alright,

27:45

let's get this done.

27:53

Oh,

27:57

he's a good friend. Oh,

28:00

there she is. Hello,

28:06

how are you? I'm good, how are you? I'm

28:09

good, thanks for doing that.

28:14

Lori Strand lived with Angel at the

28:16

time of Angel's disappearance, but

28:18

she also took care of Angel and Alex

28:21

for periods throughout their younger lives. Lori

28:24

is 40 years old and a member of the

28:26

southern Toutouni Nation. She's

28:28

about 5'9", and projects a reassuring

28:31

aura of capability and determination.

28:34

She says she'll do anything for Angel, and

28:36

she's taken time away from her work as a dental

28:38

assistant and receptionist to help with

28:41

the investigation.

28:43

I was with Alex, and there was

28:46

an entourage that would come with him every time, so

28:48

there's... I'm not surprised. It was

28:51

fine. It was good, actually. I think offering

28:53

support for him, so it

28:54

was good. He

28:57

may or may not know all of them, but Chris

28:59

Dawson was there. That's when he was there.

29:02

Rachel dated him for a bit. Yeah.

29:05

So, it's

29:08

quite small. It's

29:13

good, actually, I think offering support for

29:15

him, so it

29:15

was good.

29:18

He may or may not know all of

29:20

them, but Chris Dawson was there. He

29:23

was there. Rachel dated him for a bit. Yeah.

29:26

So, it's quite

29:29

small.

29:30

But I still live here, because

29:33

it's close to my work.

29:35

We walk into Lori's comfortable-looking one-bedroom

29:38

apartment. There's a north-facing

29:40

large window and an open space

29:42

that includes a small kitchen area, art

29:44

photos on the walls, giant flat

29:47

TV.

29:48

Okay, okay.

29:50

Angel lived here.

29:51

Angel lived here, yeah. Where that dreamcatcher

29:54

is, she made that at the

29:56

youth center, and her bed

29:58

was underneath.

29:59

it obviously. Oh so here? But I have

30:02

never touched it, I just leave it there for her.

30:06

Pinned to the ceiling above what is now

30:08

a dining table, a small circular

30:11

dreamcatcher wrapped in a white vinyl

30:13

strapping. At its center,

30:16

a string matrix with small translucent

30:18

yellow beads along the strands. I

30:21

take a picture of it hanging there, tiny

30:23

against the room. Angel

30:25

made this with her own hands about 15

30:28

years ago. It's now covered

30:30

in dust. The

30:33

youth center where Angel made it was called the

30:35

Blue Feather at the time. Angel

30:37

worked there and helped in the kitchen as a cook and with

30:40

various other enrichment activities for the youth

30:42

in her community. I'll be looking

30:44

into her time at Blue Feather, who she

30:46

worked with, what people remember. Blue

30:49

Feather is gone now, as is the building

30:51

that housed it. And

30:54

did Angel put that there? Yeah, she put that there.

30:57

Do you want to cut the cost of everything? I

30:59

will not say no to that. Yeah.

31:03

Thanks so much for helping with this because

31:06

it's really hard to sort of

31:08

break into the community and say hey I'm here or whatever,

31:11

you know. I was kind

31:13

of wondering how Alex was going to do

31:14

with it, but I mean it goes

31:17

in waves and it really does depend on who he's

31:19

with. He is one of the strongest people

31:21

I know. Yeah. Just because not everybody

31:23

experiences those

31:27

events in their life.

31:33

Is there a good place to sit or where you

31:35

want to? Wherever you want to.

31:37

We grab two big mugs of coffee

31:39

and sit on the couch. I can feel

31:41

Lori gathering herself for what she's expecting

31:44

to come.

31:45

So Angel slept there

31:48

and you were in here and was

31:50

there anyone else in the place? No, not

31:52

at that time. It was just the two of us

31:55

and we had a little rubbermaid

31:58

like set of drawers for us.

31:59

all of her clothes and everything. I

32:02

asked Lori to back up and start at the beginning.

32:06

Lori was dating a man named Miles Carlech

32:08

at the time, who also goes by Miles'

32:10

many grey horses. Miles is

32:13

Angel and Alex's cousin, and it was through

32:15

that connection at the age of 22 that Lori

32:18

says she first came into contact with

32:20

Wendy Carlech and her two children.

32:23

Because Wendy was partying

32:26

a lot then, and we didn't want her to lose

32:28

the kids again. So

32:30

we moved in to kind of regulate things and make

32:33

sure that the family

32:35

was functioning.

32:35

And then

32:38

Miles and I moved into here,

32:41

which Alex's group home is just down the street,

32:43

and that way I was close by if they wanted

32:46

to hang out.

32:49

Wendy was a single parent.

32:51

Yeah, Wendy was a single

32:52

parent. And Wendy had struggles, and

32:54

because of that, both Alex

32:57

and Angel were sort of brought in and

33:00

out of the situation. Yeah. When

33:02

I met

33:03

Angel and Alex, their

33:05

mother moved up from Good Hope to

33:09

have the kids go to school here, because

33:11

the school in Good

33:13

Hope Lake only went up to grade six,

33:15

I think, and so they had to move

33:17

to Whitehorse.

33:18

We just didn't want Wendy to lose the house,

33:20

because she had a three-bedroom

33:22

town row house.

33:25

And then things got better, and

33:27

Wendy was

33:28

back on the up-sino and back

33:31

on her feet, so we moved out and we got

33:33

this place, because it was close enough

33:35

to the Taylor Street house. And

33:37

then when Alex went into the

33:39

group homes again, we

33:41

were close enough. I

33:43

can show you, it's just down the alley. Okay.

33:47

And then Alex said that Angel tried

33:49

to get them out of the group home at some point. Yes.

33:52

Is that to bring them here, or is that... No, it

33:55

was just her goal to

33:57

get done school, get a job, and...

33:59

to get Alex.

34:02

Like she wanted it to be the two of

34:05

them and have a stable home. And

34:07

that was her goal. And she talked

34:09

about like when

34:12

she's older, she wanted to help kids in her situation,

34:14

you know? And I just wanted her to get an

34:17

education. Like, I was

34:18

like, Go be a dentist or go

34:20

be a nurse, like get an established

34:23

career because she's really brilliant.

34:25

Yeah.

34:28

Laurie describes lives and childhoods

34:30

disrupted. She and Miles

34:32

were young and just building the relationship when

34:34

they took Angel and Alex in. And they weren't

34:36

that much older than Angel and Alex at the time

34:38

either. How

34:42

was Miles with them and over the time

34:44

did it change or was it always the same?

34:46

I always pushed him to

34:49

be more of a male

34:51

role model figure for them. But

34:54

he always kept it as like a brother relationship.

34:56

And I didn't really agree with it because I mean,

35:00

a young man needs somebody to mentor

35:03

them. Miles very much liked

35:05

his video games and would spend hours

35:08

on them. And

35:08

I'm like, Why don't you go take some skating or something?

35:12

When I met Angel and

35:14

Alex, Alex was

35:16

this cute little boy. His

35:18

ears were so big he had to grow into his ears.

35:21

And Angel was just sweet.

35:24

She was really quiet. And she

35:26

liked helping me in the kitchen. She was a better cook

35:28

than me. Probably would

35:31

still be. She's

35:34

thoughtful in small ways.

35:36

Just little things like I

35:38

like candles. Sometimes, you know, if she had some extra

35:40

money and she was by the dollar store, she'd buy a little

35:43

candle like whatever.

35:45

She'd always be cleaning,

35:47

moving around movie

35:49

nights and stuff for fun.

35:52

She liked crack little jokes

35:55

here and there.

35:59

I asked Lori, how

35:59

How Angel came back to live with her in this

36:02

apartment closer to the time she disappeared.

36:05

I'm always lending out a hand helping

36:07

somebody. I just

36:10

like to help people. But what happened

36:13

was she had a place up in the village with

36:15

her boyfriend, Chris, and

36:18

she would call me periodically and be like, I'm

36:21

hungry, I don't have any money for food. And I

36:23

would just like, raid my cupboards

36:25

and bring things up to her. And

36:28

then I don't know what happened between

36:30

her and her ex there. And

36:33

she's like,

36:33

I don't want to stay there anymore. I want to stay with you. It's

36:36

right on the bus route. And I was like, yeah,

36:37

okay, come on in. So that's

36:40

Chris you're talking about what happened with her ex. So

36:42

how long was it between the point where she

36:44

something happened with Chris and she moved in

36:46

here permanently or semi-permanently?

36:49

I think about a year. A year. Okay,

36:51

so quite a long time. Like a school year. Yeah.

36:54

Like a school year. So she was here for a year before she

36:56

disappeared. Who was she hanging around with at

36:58

the time you said her partner was that Chris

37:00

that you came back and saw the party? No,

37:03

it was Mark at the time. And Mark,

37:05

what's his last name? Porter.

37:10

Yeah. Mark Porter was reportedly dating

37:12

Angel at the time she disappeared. She

37:14

and Chris Dawson had broken up months

37:17

before that. Porter

37:19

doesn't seem to be in town at the moment. So I set

37:21

him aside for now.

37:25

And I don't really ever

37:26

remember her dating anyone else other

37:28

than them two. I

37:30

can be really like, like

37:33

of a dry personality if I like I

37:35

didn't really warm up to them. I

37:37

just wanted her to focus on school more than

37:40

boys and going partying

37:41

and stuff.

37:44

When she went missing, she

37:46

was partying a lot and

37:48

like we'd get nice complaints. Like I came home

37:50

months and her and her partner were really

37:53

drunk. I

37:56

was really upset. And so if I knew she was hurting

37:58

a little too much, I would take the key away. and

38:00

be like, okay, if you're gonna party all

38:02

weekend and I'm leaving town as

38:04

well, I can't get us kicked out. So

38:07

that's my biggest regret is the weekend

38:09

she went missing. I knew she was gonna be

38:11

partying and I didn't want her to have a party and I wasn't

38:13

here. So I took the key away.

38:19

And yeah, it's like

38:21

the hardest, like

38:23

it was that decision that really kicks

38:25

me in the butt.

38:31

Things could have been different.

38:37

Well, that's a connection that you

38:39

might make, but it might have made absolutely

38:41

no difference too.

38:42

So I'm gonna measure

38:45

that.

38:47

Laurie tells me more about the after grad party

38:50

that was planned for that weekend, casual,

38:53

unsupervised and popular. And

38:57

the after grad party would start at what, like nine o'clock

38:59

or something. Probably eight or nine, yeah. Where

39:02

was it?

39:03

I think it's still out at Chadburn

39:05

Lake. I can show you.

39:09

I'll be looking to speak with others about this party

39:12

at Chadburn. I asked Laurie

39:14

if she has any photos of Angel.

39:17

I do have one. I put

39:19

it away for safekeeping.

39:22

So she's getting really excited for graduation

39:27

and I gave her money to go get her

39:29

high school graduation

39:30

photo. And she's like, oh,

39:32

I kind of glammed up in it. It's

39:34

really hard for me to see it every day.

39:38

Anything else that belonged to Angel, Laurie

39:41

says she was careful to give it back to her family. And

39:45

within my culture, you put everything away for

39:47

a year and I kept it for the year and

39:49

then gave it back to the family. Everything

39:52

that was hers, I made sure her

39:54

grandmother and her mother got it back to good hope.

39:58

But Laurie did keep the dream catch. I've

40:04

had this coat in my closet

40:06

for years. Just keep

40:08

it at, keep saying. Nothing

40:12

special.

40:16

It's a small coat that

40:18

still looks new. It's stecy.

40:20

It was one of her favorite brands.

40:23

I honestly don't know where she

40:25

got this coat, but she wore it. It looks

40:27

like

40:28

a boys coat to me.

40:30

It's

40:33

got a pattern, sort of an endless

40:35

pattern. Is

40:39

that an inside pocket on it? Inside?

40:42

Anything in it?

40:43

No. When

40:47

she first went missing, it kind of smelled

40:49

like her, so I would just kind of cuddle

40:51

with it. But, yeah,

40:55

it

40:55

doesn't smell like her anymore.

41:01

Lori's memories of Angel intensify

41:03

as she traces the design on the coat

41:05

with her fingers. She smiles

41:08

as she presses the fabric to her heart,

41:11

and then a tear forms.

41:14

The thing with Angel's killer,

41:18

what really freaks me out is this

41:20

person is probably close enough in

41:23

this small community that I might be greeting this

41:25

person with happy, joyous

41:27

moments. You know, like I might be happy

41:29

to see this person,

41:30

and they have this dark

41:32

secret. And I honestly

41:35

believe that somebody in this community

41:37

knows.

41:41

And they're just choosing not to say, and

41:43

letting Alex and the

41:45

rest of Angel's family, including myself, be

41:47

tortured.

41:51

Because there's not a day that goes

41:53

by that you don't

41:53

think of her.

41:56

And it might be something little, like

41:58

when my nephew, he...

41:59

We were at the beach last summer and he had dirty

42:02

feet and it was washing them in

42:04

the lake and I was thinking like angels

42:06

just popped into my head and I thought of her

42:08

little stubby feet, you know? And

42:12

a lot of her friends are parents now and

42:15

you know like I could be another auntie

42:17

like to her kids.

42:22

I'm probably gonna eat one of those in a second. That's

42:25

okay. Sorry to maybe go through

42:27

all this. I

42:30

don't really talk about her outside of my trusted

42:32

circle of friends to the family.

42:37

Heart,

42:39

you know?

43:00

Hey buddy, you pulling a phone? Lost

43:12

it right next to yourself.

43:15

Back in my rental car with Alex, Chris

43:17

and Krista.

43:18

I

43:21

gotta be down here anyway. He's actually at

43:23

three. You gotta talk to the prosecutor?

43:26

Yeah. I wouldn't mind

43:28

seeing what happens with that but I can't be there two

43:31

places at once. You can tell me what happens

43:33

after that maybe.

43:35

Alex is talking about visiting

43:37

prosecutors in Whitehorse but I

43:39

have another interview booked and cannot go with him

43:41

even if they would allow me to be there. But

43:44

the prosecutors aren't connected

43:46

to his sister Angel's case. They're

43:49

working on his mother's, Wendy.

43:53

It's not gonna

43:55

happen the way that I want it if

43:58

I'm not gonna get justice for my long

43:59

I want you to make

44:02

sure that the whole fucking

44:04

world knows what happened.

44:08

Well, for sure they're going to know what happened to your sister,

44:10

Andrew.

44:15

In 2017, Alex's

44:17

mother, Wendy Carlech, was also murdered.

44:21

Sarah McIntosh, a friend Wendy was with

44:23

at the time, was killed too. A

44:25

man named Everett Chief was arrested and convicted

44:28

for both crimes. And Alex wants

44:30

to make sure Chief is given a proper sentence.

44:33

Neither Wendy nor Sarah's murder has been

44:35

deemed by police to be connected to angels.

44:38

But either way, Alex

44:41

has been left alone.

44:45

We drive into the empty parking lot of a staple

44:47

store. It's raining and as

44:49

we all get out of the car, none of us have raincoats.

44:53

On the expansive wall in front of us, the

44:55

entire side of the store is a gigantic

44:58

painted mural. Angel and her

45:00

mother Wendy's faces side by side

45:03

rendered over six feet high, bordered

45:05

by two wolf-colored clouds

45:07

and traditional northwestern eagles.

45:10

Angel herself used to help paint murals

45:12

just like this around Whitehorse as part of

45:14

her job for blue feather. Alex

45:17

has been here many times.

45:25

Is it a good light then?

45:26

Yeah.

45:29

I help paint these wolfs.

45:32

Go see your head when you see this.

45:35

Too much for the good news.

45:38

You know, a lot of people in the last year.

45:42

Well

45:44

if you want to get a picture of us, like let's do

45:47

this and like I want to get the fuck

45:49

out of here. And

45:54

we do. A

45:57

drop out looks like a

45:59

Chris and Krista off at the hotel and

46:02

drive along the road closest to the river. I'm

46:05

not sure where this is going to go, but I feel

46:07

the need to be here on the ground even

46:10

more strongly now. What does

46:12

justice look like in this case? Maybe

46:15

there will be some healing. Maybe Alex

46:18

and Angel's friends will benefit from this

46:20

process. I'm ready to keep

46:22

going, dissolve as many rumors as

46:24

I can, find the people who

46:27

know. I see a raven

46:29

flying straight down the center of the river.

46:32

I have my support group too. How

46:35

far did police get? Did they

46:37

look into any tips? The woman who

46:39

approached Alex? Where was the

46:41

last confirmed sighting of Angel and

46:43

who was she with? What

46:46

happened to Angel Carlaik?

46:55

This season on Someone Knows Something,

46:57

the Angel Carlaik case. I

47:00

always just lose the look back and wish that

47:02

I didn't let her go alone. I had

47:04

an experience during the time

47:06

Angel was missing and it always sort

47:09

of haunted me.

47:10

Whoever did this didn't expect she would ever be found

47:12

again. That is my place

47:15

as well. So after that was

47:17

said, I felt like, wow,

47:19

I might have some really serious information

47:22

towards this case. All

47:24

he said was like, don't make me do to

47:27

you what I did to Angel Carlaik or

47:29

something like that.

47:32

And he straight up told me

47:33

that he would put me under the ground

47:36

like my little friend Angel and nobody would

47:39

know what happened to me either. Someone

47:58

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