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In the early days of Hollywood's Golden
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Age, German immigrant Marlena
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Dietrich electrified audiences
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around the world. She defied
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the expectations of traditional women's
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roles in her films and in her life.
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But it wasn't her acting that led Adolf
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Hitler to label her a traitor to
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the quote unquote fatherland. It
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was her patriotic support for her adopted
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homeland. When the United States
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went to war, so did Marlena
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Dietrich. It was the beginning of
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a lifelong dedication to American
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soldiers that never wavered.
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I hope you enjoy hearing her story,
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which I recorded for the audio version
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of my Mobituaries book. Marlena
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Dietrich was one hundred percent.
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In nine two, the German
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borns Green legend and internationally
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known cabaret artist, was in London
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rehearsing for a concert. She was
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seventy years old. As
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with everything related to her image,
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Dietrich knew exactly how she wanted
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to be lighted. Her trusted
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longtime lighting designer, Joe Davis,
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was on hand to make sure her expectations
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were met. Dietrich's twenty
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two year old grandson, Peter Reeva
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was also there. He remembers
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the scene vividly. I'm
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standing next to her on the London stage
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with Joe Davis and way up in
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the clouds at the top of the theater. There's
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a guy pointing a spotlight on her face.
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She kept telling him, waving a hand where
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to move the light. The man called down.
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I think that's perfect, Miss Dietrich. Joe
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Davis called up. Do exactly
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as Miss Dietrich says. Marlena
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gestured again a few times and then
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turned to Joe and said that's fine.
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So I asked Joe how she knew it was
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fine. His reply, when
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it begins to burn her eyes, she
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knows it is a dead center. Like
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Elizabeth Taylor, Marlena Dietrich
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is today remembered by many for her beauty,
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but Dietrich's persona cool, husky
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voiced at times androgynous, was
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always more daring. As the theater
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critic Kenneth Tynan wrote, her
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masculinity appeals to women and
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her sexuality to men. In
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the Western destri Rides again, Dietrich
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gets into a bar fight, a real knockdown
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drag out with another woman rolling around
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the floor before Jimmy Stewart dumps
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a bucket of water on both of them, then
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Dietrich attacks him with a bottle,
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a chair, and her fists. Incidentally,
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this is the movie where she sings Boys in the back
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Room brilliantly parodied by Madeleine
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Khan as I'm Tired in Blazing
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Saddles. Turns out Dietrich
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wasn't afraid of a good fight in real life.
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Destric came out in ninety nine,
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the year Hitler's Germany invaded Poland,
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commencing World War Two, and
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Dietrich stepped right into the breach
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to help her new beloved homeland, the
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United States of America, defeat
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the country of her birth. I
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don't think she was ever happier, more fulfilled
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than when she was serving the Allied troops,
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Peter Reeva told me. Perhaps
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that's because she knew well what
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was at stake. Born
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in Berlin as Marie Magdalena
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Dietrich, Dietrich
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lost her father when she was just five.
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While still a girl, she came up with the name
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Marlena by fusing her first and second
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names. It was her first
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act of self creation. She
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embarked on a career in entertainment
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as a chorus girl in Berlin reviews,
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and then as an actress in the city's vibrant
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cinema scene. Her breakout performance
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came as a cabaret singer in Joseph
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von Sternberg's Blue Angel. Immediately,
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Paramount Studios came calling, and
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Dietrich moved to Hollywood to star
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in a series of six films in the early
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nineteen thirties, all directed by
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Sternberg. She was usually
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cast in the role of a vamp or femme
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fatale, but fast won a reputation
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for breaking the rules. In n three,
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while sailing from New York to France,
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she received a warning from Paris's chief
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of police that should she arrive in the
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city wearing men's trousers, she
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would be arrested, and so naturally,
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she made sure to wear a white pant suit
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when she disembarked. The Paris
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papers hailed it as a revolution in fashion,
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and the next day the chief of police showed
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up with a bracelet inscribed with an apology.
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During the same years that Dietrich was conquering
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Hollywood, Adolf Hitler was coming
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to power back in Germany. Dietrich
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watched political developments in her home
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country warily. Although the
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German government had banned Blue Angel
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in ninety three, Sternberg was
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Jewish. Hitler loved the film.
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He wanted Dietrich to return to Germany
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to continue her career. As
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her grandson Peter Riva told me more,
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Lena was staunchly opposed to autocrats
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and fascists. When she got
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to that position of security and fame, she
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took every opportunity she could to oppose
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the Nazis. German foreign minister
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von Ribbentroff came to visit her in seven
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at the Lancaster Hotel in Paris, bearing
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a mother's cross to woo
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Marlena back to Germany. It
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would have essentially made her Queen of Germany
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with the promise of a care free life. She
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said no then and many other times.
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Hitler never asked again, just labeled
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her a traitor to the fatherland. Instead,
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Dietrich worked with Jewish emigrade
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director Billy Wilder. Jews
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had been leaving Germany since the Nazis
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came to power in three, but
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in eight, with Crystal Knocked
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a nationwide program against Jewish
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homes, businesses, synagogues and
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schools, the refugee problem
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became a crisis, Dietrich and
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Wilder started a fund to spawn
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her refugees, and Dietrich
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s grote her entire salary from Seven's
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Night Without Armor at four hundred
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and fifty thousand dollars per film. She was
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one of Hollywood's highest paid stars
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to support the cause. And
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then in ninety nine, this woman,
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who was culturally German to the core,
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publicly renounced her home country
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and became an American citizen. She
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made sure the cameras were there when she was
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sworn in. She wanted the
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oath of American citizenship to be captured
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on film, says Riva, in order
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to send a message to the Third Reich
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and good Germans for them to know
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she was taking that stand. This
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didn't go over well back home. The
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Nazi newspaper Dark Stormer wrote
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that she had been corrupted from her years
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spent among the Jews of Hollywood, calling
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her decision a betrayal of the fatherland.
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Dietrich didn't care, but the bombing
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of Pearl Harbor she went further. In
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two she traveled throughout the United
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States to promote the purchase of war bonds.
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Some estimates credit her with raising a
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million dollars in sales. I'm
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delighted to have the opportunity to help
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my country in any way I can, she told
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The New York Times that year. I consider
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it a privilege, not a duty.
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She also supported the government's wartime
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propaganda, which used German
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language radio to demoralize the Nazi
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troops, but Dietrich's
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greatest efforts were for the USO. In
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ninety four and nineteen forty five,
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she volunteered for multiple tours
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entertaining troops and prisoners of war
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in Algeria, Italy, France,
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and Germany for eighteen straight
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months, with more time at the front,
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Billy Wilder said, than General Eisenhower.
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She earned a reputation for abiding the rough
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conditions a lack of electricity,
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sleeping in tents, and for being
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willing to tour near enemy lines. The
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closer the better, as far as a Dietrich was concerned.
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Riva recalls Danny Thomas,
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who was a young comic at the time touring
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with Dietrich, once said to me, your
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grandmother, laughing and shaking his head.
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She tried to get us killed. We were
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performing our act for five guys in a
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foxhole with Howard Sirs. Firing
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overhead. She performed
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for as many as half a million troops,
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singing and even playing the saw, which
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she bowed like a violin. As
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a teenager, she had aspired to be a concert
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violinist, until a severe wrist injury
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dashed her hopes. She did some comic
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bits too. In one act, she purported
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to be a mind reader. She would call a
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serviceman up on stage and state
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that she would tell the audience his thoughts. After
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a sly look at the young man, she'd quip,
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oh, think of something else. I can't talk
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about that. Actually,
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I think Dietrich wanted to be a soldier,
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and you couldn't very well be a soldier, so she
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fought her way, said her daughter, Maria
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Riva, mother of Peter, in
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British documentary re Maria
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Riva's acclaimed two memoir
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described Dietrich as not so much
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a mother as a queen with her family
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as court. But on Dietrich's contributions
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to the war effort, Maria Riva is
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unstinting. She did a magnificent
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job. Certainly when she was finally
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overseas, she practically was a soldier.
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She never said I was with the U. S O. She
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was in the army. One
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of Dietrich's more famous paramours,
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the actor Douglas Fairbanks Jr. Claimed
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that she entertained the idea of
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helping the Allied cause in an
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even grander way by killing
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Hitler. Dietrich biographer
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Charlotte Chandler quotes Fairbanks
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is saying that Dietrich toyed with plans
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to seduce and then assassinate
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the German leader back in the thirties,
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when Hitler still held out hopes that Dietrich
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would return to Germany more. Lena suggested
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to Fairbanks that she might accept the
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offer on the condition that she be granted
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a private audience with the few her Her
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plan was to gush about Hitler, soften
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him up, and then strike the fatal
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blow. When Fairbanks expressed
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skepticism about the plan, surely
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she would be searched before being allowed to meet
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privately with Hitler, she countered
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that she would subject herself to a strip search
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and use a poisoned hairpin as the
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lethal weapon. She always
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felt a responsibility to do one percent,
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says Peter Riva. If you detest
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Hitler enough, you're going to give that one
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percent of your effort. After
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the war, the United States honored its
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adopted citizen with the Presidential
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Medal of Freedom. In Ye, France
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named her a Chevalier of the Legion
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of Honor Belgium a Knight
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of the Order of Leopold. In
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nine sixty five, she became the first
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German and the first woman to receive
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the Medallion of Valor from the State
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of Israel. She was also honored
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by the Jewish veterans of World War Two,
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but not everyone honored her. When
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she returned to Germany in nine sixty she
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encountered threats, protests, and
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chance of Marlena go home from
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those who still felt she had betrayed the nation.
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For the rest of her life, she shared a bond
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with the young men alongside whom she'd
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served. They were her boys, says
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Peter Va. She felt responsible
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for them, She felt grateful to them.
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When she sang in Vegas the first time in Ninette
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at the Sahara, many of her boys
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wore uniforms. She called us
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the next morning, crying, happy
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that her boys remembered and that she was
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able to thank them once more. Every
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time I saw her perform London, Switzerland,
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Paris, New York, Jersey, it
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was always the same. She'd ask if
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any of her boys were in the audience.
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They'd whoop and holler. She'd smile,
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flash a leg and sing provocatively.
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They were hers and she was theirs.
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She knew their sacrifice, never
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forgot. She loved this country,
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says Peter Riva. She did loved
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the spirit of can do. When the first
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space shuttle flew in nineteen eight one, she
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called everyone she knew to turn on the TV
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and watch. It wasn't about space
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travel, it was about the American ability
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to reach out, explore, improve
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try. She loved that Americans
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built their lives on trying, persevering
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the real immigrant spirit, and
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she was an immigrant. This
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special episode of the Mobituaries
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podcast is also included in the
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audio book edition of Mobituaries.
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While you just heard the surprising history
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of Marlena Dietrich, the Mobituaries
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audio book is filled with stories
12:39
you won't hear on the podcast. You'll
12:42
get profiles of presidents
12:44
who aren't on Mount Rushmore, tributes
12:47
to cars now consigned to
12:49
the scrap heap of history, tales
12:51
of long gone sports teams,
12:54
and dragons, Yes, dragons,
12:56
you see, people believed in dragons until
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well anyway. You can download
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the audiobook edition of Mobituaries
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wherever you get your audio books. Thanks
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for listening.
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