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Hello, Mobituaries listeners. As

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you know, this podcast is about my

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favorite dead people and things. But

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for this episode, we wanted to well

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liven things up, so we decided

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to tape in front of a live audience. What

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follows is a compilation of two appearances

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I made in Asbury Park, New Jersey

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and Fairfield, Connecticut. There

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was plenty of fun and games, plus I

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interviewed legendary New York Times

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obituary writer Margatite Fox.

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Just a few times, you're going to hear the audience

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reacting to images displayed on a screen,

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but I'm pretty sure you'll get the joke. So

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without further ado from

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CBS Sunday Morning and Simon

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and Schuster, I'm Morocca

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and this is Mobituaries. Ladies

1:01

and gentlemen. Please welcome to the stage.

1:04

Mo Rocca. Hello,

1:08

good evening. Thank

1:13

you very much. I

1:15

am so happy to be here in Asbury

1:17

Park for the first Obituaries live.

1:23

I inherited my love of obituaries

1:26

from my father. My father always said that the

1:28

obits was his favorite section of the newspaper,

1:31

and I think it's because my father had a real sense

1:34

of the romance of life. And I'm not being

1:36

cute. When I say that romance of life

1:38

and obits, I think he appreciated

1:40

the sort of the dramatic sweep of

1:43

an obituary, seeing a person's life

1:45

the highs and lows kind of reduced

1:48

to a few inches of newsprint.

1:51

It's sort of like a movie

1:53

trailer for an Oscar winning biopic,

1:56

right It's which is usually much better than the full movie,

1:59

but kind of the the lows. It's so dramatic,

2:01

and to read a good one, you're like you're

2:03

really swept away. For instance,

2:07

W J. Sidas not a

2:09

famous person, but boy what a story.

2:12

X Prodigy and obscure clerk the

2:14

all important first line. William

2:17

James Sidis, who was a child prodigy,

2:19

completed seven years of public schooling in

2:21

six months and astounded Harvard University

2:24

professors with his original theories on the fourth

2:26

dimension, died today a lonely

2:28

obscure clerk, one of whose last jobs

2:31

was operating an adding machine at fifteen dollars

2:33

a week. I

2:37

mean, you just know that the kid who plays young

2:39

Sheldon is going to win an Oscar playing that role.

2:43

One of the things that I kind of like to do

2:45

is imagine certain people

2:48

with very eventful lives. What

2:50

the first line of their obituary will

2:52

be. Um, someone likes

2:54

say Bill Cosby,

2:56

I'm not saying I like him. His life is eventful.

2:59

So so this is the line I came

3:01

up with what would be sort of a first line

3:03

that could pack it all in Bill

3:07

Cosby, the Philadelphia born legendary

3:09

stand up comedian who broke barriers

3:11

when he became the first black actor to star

3:14

in an American television drama before

3:16

going on to star in his own blockbuster

3:18

Upon Him as Sitcom, but whose legacy

3:20

was eclipsed by a torrent of accusations of drug

3:22

facilitated sex crimes, and who was two thousand eighteen

3:25

conviction of aggravated and decent assault sent him

3:27

to prison, where he lived out his days in disgrace.

3:30

Died today.

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Now, when I was in the third grade, I loved

3:36

diagramming sentences. I

3:40

don't know how the heck you could diagram that sentence.

3:44

Actually I do. I

3:50

want to roll to see it. This

3:53

is where Twitter is so great. I went on Twitter and I said,

3:55

I have a sentence diagramming emergency. Can someone

3:57

helped me? And a guy named Matthew Brown helped

3:59

me out so any good

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obituary writer, and we have a great one coming

4:04

out later, will tell you that someone's

4:06

obituary is not about their death, but really

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about their life, which is what I'm

4:10

interested in. I've been a correspondent

4:12

on CBS Sunday Morning for about thirteen years

4:15

now, thinking much, thank

4:19

you, and

4:21

I've done probably over a hundred different profiles,

4:23

and I love doing them of all different types

4:26

of people. One sobering thing that I've

4:28

learned from this whole experience is

4:30

that basically everybody will be forgotten.

4:32

You probably knew that already. My

4:35

colleague gets CBS Sunday Morning and my

4:37

friend Rita Braver was profiling

4:39

Nora Fron, the writer, producer

4:41

and the wit in two thousand two,

4:44

Yeah, and um profiling her. She

4:46

had, what's that, No

4:50

Fron? Well, okay,

4:52

but let me tell you something that I don't

4:54

want to either. I mean, but and I'm not not going

4:56

to. But Rita Braver was

4:59

was profile telling her about a musical

5:01

that she had written, called Imaginary Friends,

5:04

about the vicious feud

5:06

between the great writers and intellectuals

5:08

Lillian Hellman and Mary McCarthy.

5:11

And Rita at one point asked Nora Efron.

5:13

She said, you know, how

5:15

do you want to be remembered? And Nora

5:17

Efron said, to her, remembered.

5:20

Lilian Helman and Mary McCarthy

5:22

were the biggest

5:25

names in America at one point, and

5:27

they've been dead for ten or twelve years now

5:29

and no one knows their names. And I kind

5:31

of thought, well, yeah, right, whatever. But

5:34

when we were doing this podcast,

5:37

I wanted in the Audrey Hepburn episode to put

5:39

in a line from Nora Efron. She had talked to

5:41

me about Audrey Hepburn at one point, and

5:43

on our staff all

5:46

the people under the age of thirty had

5:48

no idea who Nora Efron was.

5:51

I'm telling and these are really look, I don't know who Cardi

5:53

b is, so I'm not judging, but like, like

5:56

so it was so brain These

5:59

are really whip smart with the

6:01

kids because they're very young. But it

6:03

tells you something. So this next

6:05

segment kind of comes out of that. It's

6:07

sort of a public service. People are dying

6:10

all the time, which means that the

6:12

list of dead people keeps growing, which

6:14

means that it's harder and harder to keep track of

6:16

people, and it's easier to just confuse

6:19

different people from the past. So

6:22

I called this segment disambiguation.

6:28

You know, it's important to point

6:30

out that Audrey Hepburn

6:33

was not related in any way to Katherine

6:36

Heppern, not related at all. I

6:39

am forever confusing Tennessee

6:41

frontiersman Davy Crockett

6:44

with Kentucky

6:47

pioneer Daniel Boone. Don't

6:49

ask me the difference between the frontiersman and a pioneer.

6:51

I don't know, but I know they're different. The

6:53

reason they're always confused is

6:56

that Bess Parker played both

6:58

of them

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and a coon skin cap, and

7:04

only Dave Crockett

7:07

wore a coon skin cap. And

7:09

now I can't tell which one is which. Chef

7:15

Paul Prudome is not

7:18

all together. Now, oh

7:21

my god, I just got a whole audience to say, Don

7:23

Delouise and Judison they

7:27

have nothing to do with each other. They

7:30

went to the same hat shop. I guess Paul

7:33

Berdome was a chef. Don

7:36

Deloise was an actor who cooked.

7:40

Gore Vittall was a stylist of prose

7:43

beat also Soon was a stylist of hair. Neither

7:46

had anything to do with us on jeans. This

7:51

is Joan of Arc the Sainted

7:53

French heroine of the Hundred Years

7:56

War. This is Joan

7:58

van Arc, who

8:00

started on Not So Landing for fourteen years. Unless

8:04

I get sued, I want to be really clear. Joan

8:07

van Arc is alive. At

8:10

least she was right before the show started. Anyways,

8:12

I want to be really clear. Okay.

8:15

Oh, Molly Pitcher

8:18

is one of the twelve service areas on

8:20

the New Jersey Turnpike. Molly

8:26

Hatchett is not. John

8:31

Paul Jones is the father of the American

8:33

Navy. John Paul Jones was the

8:36

basis for led Zeppelin. John

8:38

Paul Jones is a contestant on The Bachelorette.

8:42

They're all named John Paul Jones.

8:46

And finally, this is so important because people are

8:48

constantly getting confused. The Norman

8:50

Conquest was in ten sixty

8:52

six when England fell

8:55

to the Norman's, which should not be

8:58

confused with Norman Bell

9:00

Love Mr

9:04

Roper Stanley. Okay,

9:11

and now I am pleased to introduce

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this evening's special guests. I have

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a special guest for the first Mobituaries

9:19

Live. Margalite

9:21

Fox has written over four hundred

9:24

obituaries for The New York Times.

9:26

Margalite is also the author of three books.

9:28

Her new newest release, Excuse Me,

9:31

should win an Award for Best Title. It's

9:33

called Conan Doyle for the Defense,

9:36

the true story of a sensational British murder,

9:38

a quest for justice and the world's

9:40

most famous detective writer, Ladies and Gentlemen,

9:42

margin Elite Fox. So,

9:51

Margarlie, I

9:54

said that you're retired from

9:56

the New York Times, But in a sense

10:00

you you'll never be retired, because

10:03

your byline is going to appear for a

10:05

good long while. Because when

10:08

I retired, very

10:10

very early, I should point out in

10:13

June I

10:15

left behind in the can

10:18

I left behind while a case of Scotch under

10:20

my desk. But we're not going to talk about that, which

10:23

I gave to my colleagues because they'll need it more

10:25

than I. But I left

10:27

behind probably

10:29

between seventy and eighty

10:32

advents O bits, O bits that are

10:34

written for the

10:36

undead when they run. Is in the

10:38

lap of the gods. But they I've been averaging

10:40

maybe one by line a month, and

10:42

so it may well be the case,

10:45

because of course I could get hit by a bus

10:47

tomorrow, that my byelines will

10:49

outlive me. Now, are you allowed to

10:51

tell us who any of the advanced obits are

10:54

before they've been released. No, and

10:56

then I really would have to kill you all, and you all

10:58

seem like lovely people, so I think

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I won't do that. And is it true

11:03

that the first

11:05

oh bit you wrote was an advanced O bit?

11:08

The very first advance O bit I

11:10

wrote was in for

11:15

a very major American

11:18

scholar and thinker. I can't tell

11:20

you more than that, and blessed

11:23

him. Not only is he still alive, but he's

11:25

still fiendishly productive.

11:27

So every time he came I

11:29

had to go into the computer and update is obit?

11:32

Oh? Is it? Is it? David McCullough, Mo,

11:37

did you hear what I just said? So?

11:42

I know that it used to be that

11:44

the obituary section was where you were

11:46

put out to pasture, but that was long ago.

11:49

Right to tell me about how

11:52

you even got to be an obituary writer? Well,

11:54

the child has not been born, And

11:56

if anyone has such a child, please raise your

11:58

hands and stand up and test of I, because I want to

12:00

hear it. But I'm firmly convinced

12:03

the child has not been born. Who comes home

12:05

from primary school clutching a

12:07

theme that says when I grow

12:10

up. I want to be an obituary

12:13

writer. That's never

12:15

going to happen, and so journalists,

12:17

including me, stumble into

12:20

it quite by accident. And as most

12:22

said, until maybe twenty

12:24

years ago, the open department

12:26

on any American newspaper was Siberia.

12:29

It was where they put you if they didn't

12:31

like you but didn't quite have enough

12:33

dirt on you to fire you out right. And

12:36

it was where they put you as the last

12:39

stop before you needed to know that yourself.

12:41

But why, I mean, it seems

12:43

so satisfying, and I think I've heard you

12:45

say that it's the most purely kind of narrative

12:48

writing. You're reading someone's life

12:50

from wound to tomb. Absolutely, and

12:52

the dirty little secret is it's

12:54

the best beat in American journalism.

12:57

I want to ask about the paid oh

12:59

bit. We'll be paying attention to the paid

13:01

o bits, yes and no. But the first

13:03

thing, and now I'm gonna to invoke

13:06

a pop culture reference. I feel like Bert Lancaster

13:09

talking to um

13:11

Tony Curtis and sweet smell of success

13:14

come here. I want to chestise

13:16

you. First thing you must learn is not

13:18

to call them moments. I'm so sorry

13:21

you did a very bad thing. Um.

13:24

They are paid death notices, so

13:26

they are completely un journalistic

13:29

in that if you read

13:31

them, basically everyone who died was

13:33

a saint. He died doing what he loved, and

13:35

he died surrounded by his adoring family. Could

13:38

I so, could I have a paid

13:40

a bit excuse me, a paid death notice for myself

13:42

that says that I was the president of Gambia.

13:46

I suspect that

13:48

would be fact checked. The capital

13:50

is Banjo, by the way.

13:55

But seriously, the paid

13:57

notices are invaluable to reporters,

13:59

and we scan that page. I

14:01

have to do it with a magnifying glass now, but we scan

14:04

it like a forty nin prospector

14:06

panning for gold because sometimes,

14:09

surprisingly often actually families

14:12

don't quite know what they have tell

14:14

us about alan Abel. Alan

14:16

Abel gave my colleagues and me

14:19

many a sleepless night. Alan

14:21

Abel, who died last year at the age

14:23

of ninety four, was a professional

14:27

hoaxer. And he's he

14:29

started early enough that one could at

14:32

least make a kind of scanty living

14:34

at it. Well, woe betide the New

14:36

York Times in we

14:39

ran his obituary, and

14:42

he knew exactly the kind of

14:45

fact checking that The Times

14:47

would be doing, and he anticipated

14:50

their every move. He had

14:52

a woman weeping playing

14:54

the part of the grieving widow because we're

14:57

applied to call the family, so she

14:59

answered the phone. He created

15:02

a fake funeral parlor with its own

15:04

business directory information

15:06

listing, and had a fake

15:09

under tech taker who answered the phone

15:11

when the reporter called to do that

15:13

bit of fact checking. He was a step ahead

15:15

of us every inch of the way. And so

15:17

the day after we ran his news over

15:19

in nineteen, we had to run

15:21

a retraction of that open amazing.

15:25

Now he lived, as you know,

15:27

America's self appointed court

15:30

jester. He lived into his nineties, and so

15:32

this was one of the people on my

15:35

dance card about

15:37

whom I needed to do and advance over.

15:39

You can imagine how nervous that

15:41

made me feel. And

15:45

I wrote it. I did every

15:47

possible bit of checking that I

15:49

could at the time, and

15:51

then, because I didn't want to deal with it when he actually

15:54

did die, I retired. But he

15:58

happened to die maybe it's six months

16:00

after I retired. But had

16:03

I still been on staff then

16:06

and had it fallen to me too,

16:08

as we say, put a top on the story,

16:10

get the where and the when, and the all

16:12

important confirmation that Mr Smith

16:15

is really dead. I had this fantasy

16:17

that when the Undertaker's back was turned,

16:20

I would take out a hat, pim

16:23

lean over the coffin, and

16:29

we have to decide who is playing you in the movie,

16:31

because this has to be a movie. I'm

16:33

more concerned with the placement of obits.

16:36

Margaretie knows that I still have not gotten over

16:38

the fact that Richard Rogers was

16:40

above the fold on the front page of the New York

16:42

Times, but Oscar Hammerstein was

16:44

below the fold. And this

16:47

is the long

16:49

history of the New York Times. Anti

16:52

lyrics bias is

16:54

just unacceptable. It's we've

16:56

got to put a stop to it. But as you

16:58

well know, these judgments

17:00

are never absolute. They were only relatives.

17:03

So of course it depended on who

17:05

and what else was on page one

17:07

on those respective days. Okay,

17:10

um, Judy Garland was

17:13

below the fold. That really

17:15

bothered me. Don't

17:17

look at me, moo, it's not on me. When

17:20

Judy Carlin died, I was seven years old. Okay,

17:23

well, all right, Dear Abbey and

17:25

her sister Anne Landers were both

17:27

below the fold. Do you think they did that intentionally

17:30

so that they would you know his sibling

17:32

rivalry. They wanted to make sure they were treated the same.

17:35

No, they did it to hurt me because they were both mined.

17:38

They were okay, No, dear

17:41

Abby and Anne Landers, as you all know that two

17:43

dueling advice columnists were identical twins,

17:46

and they had great love for each other,

17:48

but also tremendous rivalry as can

17:50

happen. So born obviously on

17:53

the same day, married on the

17:55

same day in a double ceremony.

17:57

They had a double wedding. Yes, I

17:59

loved weddings. Yeah, I remember

18:01

when remember does anybody remember? It was really bad

18:03

the Brady girls get married. They had like a special

18:06

and I always thought they should like continue with it, and

18:08

when they got to the end of their lives they could have

18:10

the Brady Girls get buried. It

18:13

has real possibilities, but they're the natural

18:16

constituency audience will probably be themselves

18:18

buried by then, so who's going to watch it? Right? A

18:20

good point I need to work on. The marketing of this should

18:23

go back to and and Abbey. Yes,

18:25

Um and Landers died

18:27

first, and in fact that was my first page one. So

18:30

my husband got the paper

18:33

and said, you know, you're on page one.

18:35

I said, what the hell are you talking about?

18:38

And indeed that was uh

18:40

and Landers and then dear Abbey died

18:43

quite a number of years later, fairly recently.

18:45

But that must have been a thrill your first page

18:47

one. It's a big deal. It was a lot

18:49

of fun, high

18:52

studio mo butting in here for a second.

18:55

Turns out that mark Elite's favorite oh

18:57

bits weren't the ones she wrote for

18:59

the movers and shakers, but for

19:01

who she calls histories, backstage

19:04

players, the unsung heroes

19:06

and heroines who changed our world

19:08

in large, small, and almost

19:10

always delightful ways. To

19:13

honor them, we played a little game with Margarlite

19:16

that involved my producer, Harry would

19:19

dressing up as the Grim Reaper and bringing

19:21

props on stage two. Well,

19:23

you'll figure it out. Consider this

19:26

as this is your life and oh Bitt's

19:28

Margalite Fox, you're

19:30

scaring me, Harry,

19:34

who is the subject of Margalite's

19:36

first oh bit flashback? Indeed,

19:48

it is stovetop stuffing.

19:51

It is Ruth scenes right,

19:54

that is Ruth SAMs. And

19:56

why ordinarily would be we

19:59

be interested in doing the

20:01

news oh bit, Thank

20:04

you death? Why

20:08

would the New York Times be interested in doing

20:10

the news oh bit of a relatively

20:13

unknown home economist from

20:15

Indiana who worked in

20:18

quite an anonymity for General

20:20

Foods for thirty years. Indeed,

20:23

Ruth Seems invented

20:25

a product whose patents

20:27

had the thrilling name

20:29

of dehydrated bread

20:31

product or something like that, stovetop

20:35

stuffing, and bless her

20:37

heart, she died in November, so

20:39

we were able to run the story Wednesday

20:42

of Thanksgiving week. Perfect

20:45

timing. And as you wrote in that two

20:47

thousand five oh bit, today,

20:50

Craft Foods, which now owns the brand, sells

20:52

about sixty million boxes

20:54

of it at Thanksgiving. And

20:57

I had to tell you, I am a fan. I

20:59

love I'm stand. That's

21:01

what they used to say in the ad right soap

21:03

top. I'm staying. Would she have gotten

21:06

in oh bit had she died in July? Absolutely,

21:09

But we were so giddy

21:11

with the excitement. There are only

21:14

two times I've run around the news room in

21:16

high excitement, shrieking to anyone

21:18

I knew about the subject of the next

21:20

day's o bit, and this Ruth Seems was one

21:22

of them. Harry, who is the

21:25

subject of Margalite's next

21:27

oh bit flashback, It's

21:42

Don Featherstone Adventure

21:45

of the Pink Flamingo. Thanks,

21:47

Harry.

21:52

As most said, I've done well over bits,

21:55

and this is one of the ones that made me the most

21:58

deliriously have be And

22:03

this is what I mean by the unsung

22:05

backstage players. We all

22:07

know about pink plastic lawn flamingos

22:10

and every bit. All right, let's

22:13

be honest here. It doesn't leave this room.

22:15

What happens in Anthebury Park stays in Athebury

22:17

Park. Hands up. If your family had

22:19

one on their lawn,

22:23

I wish we had. Yeah we didn't, but my parents

22:25

were Communists, they

22:28

had red flamingos. But

22:33

so it was a

22:35

phenomenon that literally defined

22:38

the landscape of mid

22:41

century America. And

22:44

it comes from somewhere. It came

22:47

from one guy with the

22:49

perfect name of Don

22:51

Featherstone, who was

22:54

a sculptor for a plastics company in

22:56

Massachusetts, and in nineteen

22:58

fifty seven he decided, let's

23:01

make this fun, pink summary

23:03

product. It was put on the market the next

23:06

year and took

23:08

off like a pink flamingo.

23:11

Harry, bring out the next

23:13

subject of Margalite's oh Bit

23:15

flashback. That's

23:32

right, you're applauding. Andre Cassan,

23:35

the inventor of the etch a sketch.

23:38

Thank you, Harry. I

23:41

can't believe I just tickled the grim Reekbert.

23:43

That was really fun. It may buy me

23:45

an extra few years, or it may have the

23:47

reverse effect. That just sketch

23:49

was invented by a French engineer named Andre

23:52

Casson. Again invented totally

23:54

by accident. He was working in a

23:57

factory that made something else. There

23:59

were metal filings in the air. They

24:01

note. He noticed the metal filings stuck to

24:03

a plastic decale for a light

24:06

switch cover he was installing. And

24:08

if you moved your finger or a pencil point

24:10

on the underside, you got a

24:12

pattern in those metal filings and that

24:14

was all it took. You had a great line.

24:17

And this just you

24:19

right, so beautifully. First marketed

24:21

in nineteen sixty, the toy, with its

24:23

rectangular gray screen, red frame

24:25

and two white knobs, quickly became

24:28

one of the brightest stars in the constellation

24:30

of mid century childhood amusements that

24:32

included Lincoln Logs and the Slinky.

24:35

And it just takes you back. It places

24:37

it so beautiful, like really beautifully written.

24:40

Um well, Margolie,

24:42

thank you so much. I'm gonna ask you if you'll stay

24:45

for one more. We ended the show by

24:47

taking questions from the audience. Um,

24:50

first of all, this was fascinating, Thank you both.

24:52

So I was certainly aware

24:54

of the fact that, oh, bits for famous

24:57

people are written in advance. But is

24:59

there some sort of pattern that

25:01

gets followed? Um, you mentioned

25:04

her earlier Cardi b gets

25:06

famous. Do they at the New

25:08

York Times then decide we need to have something

25:10

on file about her? Or do you wait

25:12

until someone is of a certain age.

25:16

Well, the rather dark joke

25:18

and open departments across america's that

25:20

if you're a rocker, you're

25:22

going to be dead at seven from an odor

25:24

a plane crash. Sadly, but

25:27

since our departments are small, newsroom

25:30

budgets are shrinking by the minute,

25:32

we have the resources only to

25:35

do People who am an actuary

25:38

would also be looking at so it's

25:40

seriously, we there's no

25:42

hard and fast rule. If we hear someone as

25:44

ill, then of course we will drop everything

25:47

and start in advance. But under

25:49

normal circumstances, people have

25:51

long lives now, so we wouldn't

25:54

look at anyone much under eight unless

25:56

they were excellent things going on. Um,

25:59

well, I'm curiously whether you'd want to write your own

26:01

or are you there's somebody that you chose to

26:03

have right, like a doctor, cheating

26:06

family member? How

26:08

the hell old do you think I am? I

26:14

guess I would think that would be something, you know.

26:16

I'm like maybe others that you would you know,

26:18

you would think about whead.

26:26

I think at this moment, I'm more likely to

26:28

commit homicide than this

26:35

will push the podcast back to number one,

26:38

because we wanted it to be true crime, and that's

26:40

where it's all that. I would love

26:43

if you wrote my O bed, I

26:46

already have the headline selected. It's

26:48

just gonna say, no, Mo, that

27:00

is so good. I will oblige

27:02

you right now. Thank

27:12

you to Margalite Fox so much. Oh

27:16

no, oh, I write I

27:18

forgot, I forgot, not that

27:20

this is the reason I'm here. But there's

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27:39

That should have issued a spoiler alert for Game of

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Thrones fans on that one, so

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don't don't let your Game of Thrones fans read

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get the book or read someone else's copy, and

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27:56

thank you all for being part

27:59

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May Wong Hollywood's first

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Chinese American superstar. She

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I want to be like this person. She really

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