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Pretty much, any obituary
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with the word first in its headline
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is going to get a lot of cliques. Of
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course it is the human drama
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is baked right in. Someone doing
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something unprecedented captivates
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us. We can only imagine
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the courage, the fortitude
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not to mention the talent of Jackie
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Robinson, the first black
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player in Major League baseball. But
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what about the black player who joined
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the major leagues just eleven
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weeks after Robinson. He
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had the weight of an entire
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raith on his shoulders along with Jackie Robinson.
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Sally Ride's place in history is
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secure. She was the first
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American woman in space, But
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what about the woman who went into orbit only
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a year later? She approached
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becoming an astronaut like she did everything,
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She knew what she wanted and went for the
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same woman who lost her life on
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one of the darkest days in Nassa's
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history. You saw it forty five seconds
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after liftoff, a huge fireball
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in the sky. And what about
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the British band here they
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are again? Whatever life who
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landed on American shores only
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a month after the Beatles and dated
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day. We
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love firsts so much that
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we end up ignoring the achievements and
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people that come after, even
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right after. But those people are
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essential. Without someone coming
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in second and third and fourth,
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the first person is more of an oddity,
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a one off, instead of the beginning
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of big social change. So
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today we salute three of
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histories. Silver medallists
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from CBS Sunday Morning and I Heart
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I'm Morocca and this is
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mobituarymes this
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moment. Second place finishers
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Larry Dobie, Judith Resnick,
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and the Dave Clark Five. I
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love a good musical rivalry
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Andy Williams versus Perry Como,
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Metallica versus Mega Death. Does
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anyone else remember that period in the early
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eighties when it was Madonna versus Cindi
2:40
lauper Well for a good stretch
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of nineteen sixty four, you were either
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a Beatles person or a
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Dave Clark five person. I know you thought I
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was going to mention the Stones, But in nineteen
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sixty four there were magazine covers
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pitting the Beatles against the Dave
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Clark Five. On one of them, there's
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a picture of bandleader Dave Clark captioned
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I'll duel with Ringo. And only
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one month after the Fab Four's legendary
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first appearance on The Ed Sullivan Show.
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Here for all of you youngsters,
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England's Dave Park five, Lad
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all Over The Dave Clark Five
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made their first appearance on the program.
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The Dave Clark Five had good reason
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to be feeling glad all over. Their
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hit of the same name had knocked the Beatles
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I want to hold your hand out of the top
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spot on the UK charts. Throughout
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the sixties, they would land fifteen
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consecutive top twenty US hit
3:37
singles and sell one hundred
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million records. You want
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a pounding rocker of a record,
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a rip it up song that will rattle
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your world in the bedroom you share
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with your dad and your brother. Tom
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Hanks grew up listening to the group and could
3:55
barely contain himself during their induction
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into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. You
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want to hear a song that will make you feel
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glad all Over by the Dave
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Clark Five. After
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the d C five's breakthrough with Glad
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all Over saw
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them score top five hits with Bits
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and Pieces
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and Can't
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You See That She's Mine?
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And because the
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following year they went to number one
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with Over and Over, I
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said over and over and over
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again, The Dead Clock five made
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a joyful sound. Over and over
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and over again. The Dead Clark
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five made a joyful found. But
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unlike the Beatles, who were determined
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from their earliest days in Liverpool to
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make it as artists, the Dave Clark
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five started playing music to
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support their soccer habit. They
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had a soccer team
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and they wanted to play in
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a tournament in Holland, but they didn't
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have the money for the passage.
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This is Harold Bronson, co founder
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of Rhino Records. He wrote a book
5:16
about the British invasion. So they formed
5:18
a band to make money
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so that they could actually be able
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to go to Holland, which they whish they
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did. Their aspiration was to go
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to Holland and play soccer, and
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being a band was the way
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they were going to pay for it was basically their survival
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job, right, So it was kind of an
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accident, you know that they evolved into
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this really good dance band. Who are you know
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making money? Mike Smith played
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keyboards and sang lead. His
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voice was raw, commanding and
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he helped write many of the group's songs. Lenny
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Davidson played guitar. Rick Huxley
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was on base and Dennis Peyton the
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saxophone, a wild card
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that helped give the Dave Clark five a unique
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sound. But
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what really set the band apart was
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its drummer, Dave Clark, himself
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a former stunt man. He wasn't just
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the band's leader, a rarity for a drummer,
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he also managed the band with
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a crystal clear vision of how it should
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sound and look. More than anything,
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he was a showman. The Dave
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Clark Five probably had
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the best presentation of
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any of the British Invasion groups
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when they came to America because Dave
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was thinking more theatrical.
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They looked great. I mean, these guys were
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snappy dressers, matching
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suits, white turtlenecks, pocket
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squares. They're perfectly clean
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cut hair, perfectly quaff.
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I call it Fisher Price hair, like each
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head of hair could snap right on and off.
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Well, it's time to go on in a few seconds, so
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Mike and Rick attend to their head. Nothing
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fantastic, take no hint of Mercy's side,
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but just the way their fans expect to see
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him on stage. They were all
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smiles, bobbing their heads side
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to side in unison in sync
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with their leader's drumbeat. Dave was
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also a producer on the group's records,
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A very hands on producer the
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drums, for example, he made sure they
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were always mixed loud
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and Dave exhibited a business savvy that's
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rare among new artists. He
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had paid for studio recordings himself
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using money from his stunt work, so
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he figured he could ask for more than the standard
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royalty rate, and when he went into
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negotiation, he figured, okay, I'll ask
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for three times as much,
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and the record company basically said okay.
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Even more audaciously, he asked
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that the rights to the group's songs be
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returned to him after ten years,
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which again they said okay, because they weren't
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paying for it. In rock and roll wasn't
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thought to have any longevity. That's
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right. The company didn't see a future
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for rock and roll, but Dave Clark,
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the stuntman slash soccer enthusiast
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slash high school dropout, did.
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Now, that's smarts. Once
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the band topped the charts in the UK, it
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was inevitable that America's most
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important taste maker would come
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calling. Hell here
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he is ed
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Sullivan's Variety Show had ruled
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Sunday nights for decades, and
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once the Beatles appeared, Sullivan's show
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became the gateway, kind of the Ellis
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Island for British bands who wanted
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to make it in America. All
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the more remarkable then that when Ed
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Sullivan first invited the Baby Clark
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Vive on Dave actually said
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no. In today's terms,
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that's like having a store on Etsy
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and turning down Oprah when she calls to tell
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you you're one of her favorite things. But
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Harold Bronson says Clark had played
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for Americans on air basis in the UK,
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and well, apparently they were just too
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American for him. He did not
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have a good impression of Americans
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and didn't want to like put himself in that kind
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of rowdy, uncrewth element. But
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when it's Sullivan up the anti
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to ten thousand dollars, well, you
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know that was a lot of money and
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that made all the difference. After
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Ed Sullivan introduced the Dave Clark Five
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to America, they finally quit
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their day jobs. They ended up going on
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his show twelve times. In
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November four, the group
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played Anaheim, and The l A Times
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described the event as a riot without
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violence. The headline Britain's
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find it Hard to Sing to three thousand
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screaming teenagers. It was
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Beatlemania level frenzy.
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In fact, just one year after the Beatles
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charmed audiences with their movie A Hard
9:54
Day's Night, the Dave Clark Five
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start in their own film called
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Catch Us If You Can. The
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movie marked the debut of British director
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John Boorman went on to make Deliverance
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and Hope and Glory. But even
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before the film came out, Borman told
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the press it was a dud. The
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Dave Clark Five, mainly Dave
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himself, just couldn't match the
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Beatles charisma. Dave
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may have been cruising around in a Jaguar
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in the movie, but the band's joy ride
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was beginning to sputter. By
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the latter half of the sixties, the Beatles
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were experimenting with new sounds
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and psychedelic drugs. They went
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to India and studied transcendental
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meditation. They released groundbreaking
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albums like Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts
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Club Band Critics began praising
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their music as art. Meanwhile,
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the Dave Clark Five were relying
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more and more on covers
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for the record I happen to Love their take
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on put a Little Love in Your Hearts.
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In seventy the Dave Clark
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Five called it quits, the same
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year that the Beatles broke up. Today,
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more than half a century later, there
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really is no competition. Culturally.
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The Beatles are still playing the main stage
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that Dave Clark five for a time, we're
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all but forgotten. That was thanks
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to a very bad business decision by
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Dave himself to sit on those
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rights that reverted to him for decades.
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He simply refused to re release
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any of the group's music. He thought
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wrongly that that would make the songs more
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valuable. But none of
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that changes the fact that the Dave Clark
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Five put out a lot of great records,
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records that made a deep impact in this
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country. I
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want to go back to those early months of nine sixty
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four when the Beatles in February
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and the Dave Clark Five in March first
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came to America. They
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were coming to a country at its lowest
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low, still traumatized
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from what had happened just a few months
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before the assassination
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of President John F. Kennedy.
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In his speech inducting the d C five
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into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Tom
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Hanks remembered how it felt in
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November of nineteen sixty A
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terrible storm pounded your
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classroom, and your town and your country,
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and for weeks and for months, for the longest
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time, your heart and your world have
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been wrapped in black, and the head of every
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single person you look up to is still
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bowed in mourning. It
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was the bleakest winter of your
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discontent. But then morning
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became morning, as
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the sun rose in the east
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coming out of England.
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For many Americans, the British invasion
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was more of an intervention, jolting
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this country from its sad stupor.
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Music is a kind of therapy, scream
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therapy. The result was
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more than just audiences
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filled with screaming teenagers and schoolyard
13:18
arguments over who was better this quintet
13:21
or that quartet from the northern
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part of the Queen's I'll know the true product
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was joy. The Dave Clark
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five may have been second to the Beatles,
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and only for a short time at that, but
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both groups delivered joy
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when people really needed it. I'll
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let Tom Hanks, channeling his
13:41
eight year old self, close out
13:43
this set. Music reaches the soul.
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The Dave Clark five lifted outs with
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a concussive beat that commanded you
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to lean over from the back seat the
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moment you heard the rumbling percussion
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of the Dave Clark five on the radio and
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commanded you to yell your dad, turn
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it out, turn it out. That this is my favorite song.
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And this song, this song is
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going to take our confusion and our sadness,
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our loss and our despair. It's going to take
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all the bleak days we've been through and all the heaviness
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of our hearts. This three minute record
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is taking our joylessness and
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smashing it to pieces, two bits
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and pieces. So turn out the radio,
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dad.
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Now. If you heard our season one episode
14:46
on Forgotten Forerunners, you may
14:48
remember the story of Moses fleetwood
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Walker, the black baseball player
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who in four joined the
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lineup of the otherwise white Toledo
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Bluestockings. He taking
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the field outraged enough white
15:02
players that a color line was
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soon drawn through America's pastime.
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For the next six decades, there
15:10
was an apartheid in American baseball.
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Black players had to form their own teams
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and eventually their own leagues, the
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Negro Leagues. Then Jackie
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Robinson moved from the Negro Leagues
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to a Brooklyn Dodgers farm team,
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and then in was
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called up to become the first black
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player in Major League baseball,
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a milestone that was much bigger
15:34
than baseball. There at the Negro Leagues
15:37
Baseball Museum, we make the bold as searching
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that Jackie Robinson's breaking up the color barrier
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wasn't just a part of
15:43
the civil rights movement, it
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was the beginning of the civil rights
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movement. That's Bob Kendrick, the
15:50
president of the Negro League's Baseball
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Museum in Kansas City, Missouri. This
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is this is well
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before round versus the
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Board of Education, right, this is before
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Rosa Parks refusal to move
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to the back of the bus. Dr Martin
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Luther King Jr. Was merely
16:08
a sophomore at Morehouse College.
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In essence, this is what started the
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ball of social progress rotling
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in our country. Baseball and
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our country literally jumped on the
16:20
coattail of baseball. Kendrick
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was speaking to CBS for a documentary
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not about Jackie Robinson, but about
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the second black player in the Major leagues.
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This is the CBS New York special
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presentation. Larry Dobee
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second to none. My colleague
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sports anchor Otis Livingston hosted
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that documentary. Otis felt
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it was high time that Larry Dobe
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got his due because he has
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his own place. Jackie, of course
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is number one, first guy in but
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just eleven weeks later he was
16:54
brought into this whole situation. DOBIE's
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journey as the second black player in
16:59
the LB was uniquely challenging.
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Is it fair to say that he suffered the same indignities
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as Jackie Robinson but he didn't
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get the same accolades. Oh, that's
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fair to say, It's really fair. Larry
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Adobe was born in
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in Camden, South Carolina.
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When he was fourteen, he moved to Patterson,
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New Jersey, the place he would call home.
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Adobie had played baseball when he was in
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South Carolina, but in New Jersey
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he became a star, and not just
17:30
in baseball. He played on East
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Side High School's championship winning
17:34
football team. He broke a conference
17:36
record in track and field. In
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fact, while he was good at baseball, he'd
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later tell the Louis B. Nunn Center for Oral
17:43
History that the sport was almost
17:45
like an afterthought. Well, I
17:47
never thought that much about baseball. Even
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when I was in high school, I played baseball because
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there's nothing else to do. Baseball
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may not have been his passion back then, but
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he made the All state team two years in
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a oh His high school gave him
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a gold watch, naming him the greatest
18:04
east Side high school athlete of all
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time, so he was used to
18:08
a relatively supportive atmosphere. Now
18:12
when Dobie was coming up, there was no explicit
18:15
rule barring black players from the major
18:17
leagues, but there was a tacit understanding
18:20
among team owners. You just didn't
18:22
sign black players. So
18:25
Dobe joined the Negro Leagues in two
18:28
while he was still in high school, and began
18:30
playing for the Newark Eagles as second
18:32
baseman. He played under the name
18:34
Larry Walker since high school students
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weren't technically allowed to play. It
18:39
was his first professional contract. His
18:43
rising star was briefly interrupted
18:45
by World War Two, when Dobie was
18:48
drafted into the Navy. He wrote
18:50
a train to Chicago for basic training
18:52
along with some of his former high school teammates,
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but unlike his high school, the Navy
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was segregated. There's budget
19:00
is that that had played football,
19:02
met and baseball men in high school
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you're in the same train. When we got to Chicago,
19:08
was in we were separated. I went to so
19:10
called Camp Robert Smallis was
19:12
a black camp, and they went to the white
19:14
camp. In
19:17
the Navy, there was an all white baseball team
19:19
called the Blue Jackets, but Doobe
19:21
and other black players could only play for
19:23
the black Blue Jackets. Jobe
19:26
later said that it was the first time he was fully
19:28
conscious of segregation, and it's
19:30
stunned. After all, he was drafted
19:32
into the Navy to fight for the country.
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You became a little bit frustrated because you didn't
19:38
know what was going on, and you the same kids
19:40
as you played with in high school. All of a sudden,
19:42
you know you're not you're not
19:44
together. But by
19:46
the time Doobe left the Navy and rejoined
19:49
the Newark Eagles, change was in
19:51
the wind. Jackie
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Robinson had just joined the farm team
19:57
for the National League Brooklyn Dodgers,
19:59
the first step in the breaking of the color
20:02
barrier, and some other owners were
20:04
looking to integrate their teams. One
20:06
of them was Bill vec the owner
20:09
of the American League Cleveland Indians.
20:12
Bill Veck would later be lauded
20:14
for his early role in bringing black
20:16
players into the majors. He would also
20:19
end up hiring the American league's first
20:21
black public relations officer, trainer,
20:24
and scout.
20:27
As Jackie Robinson took the field in Brooklyn,
20:30
Veck told his scouts to look for the
20:32
Negro League's player with the best
20:34
long term potential, and DOBIE's
20:36
name kept floating to the top, and
20:39
so Beck made a deal with the Newark Eagles
20:41
to bring Toby to Cleveland. But
20:44
he went about it in a much different
20:46
way than the Brooklyn Dodgers went
20:48
about bringing Jackie Robinson on. Yeah,
20:50
because they they brought him through the minor league system
20:53
and uh, you know, gave him a little bit
20:55
of an adjustment period. This was more abrupt.
20:58
In other words, Robinson's introduct to
21:00
the Major's had been carefully orchestrated.
21:03
Larrydobes was not. On
21:05
July, Adobe
21:08
played what would be his last game with
21:10
the Negro Leagues, and then he was
21:12
whisked away on a train bow for Chicago
21:15
to meet his Cleveland Indian
21:17
teammates to play against the Chicago White
21:19
Sox the next day. Because
21:21
I was leaving a bunch of guys that I played with for
21:23
a long time, so I felt a little a little funny
21:25
about that, But no, those thoughts
21:28
came into my head about the major leagues. I just
21:30
I thought more about what I'm leaving.
21:35
Adobe was newly married. He and his
21:37
wife, Helen had been looking forward to buying
21:39
a house in New Jersey Whendobe
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suddenly found himself on that train headed
21:43
to the Midwest. Larrydobe
21:45
was also young. Jackie Robinson
21:48
was twenty eight when he joined the Dodgers,
21:50
so he was seasoned. He could probably handle
21:52
a little bit different. Adobe's twenty three
21:54
years old. And let's talk about that, because that's
21:57
an important distinction, and
22:00
those are two very different ages. Yes, definitely.
22:02
I mean you're a pup
22:05
twenty three. You know, you're experiencing this
22:08
stuff for the first time. Joining
22:10
the Cleveland Indians would make Adobe the
22:12
first black player in the American League.
22:15
Not that his teammates rolled out the red carpet.
22:18
What kind of a reception did he get
22:20
in Chicago on July five when
22:22
he shows up there? Okay, so I'm will receptive.
22:25
Some wouldn't shake his hands, some turned their backs.
22:27
You know, there was just a lidney of responses
22:31
when the team took to the field to warm up.
22:33
No one would even play catch with Adobe except
22:36
for second baseman and former American
22:38
League m v P Joe Gordon. Gordon
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said, Adobe, Hey, rookie, you're gonna
22:43
just stand there? Or do you want to throw a little?
22:46
Adobe later said it was a moment he would
22:48
never forget. You
22:51
have to have allies when you're
22:53
doing something like this, when you've taken
22:55
on an endeavor like this, which was difficult
22:57
for him on and off the field, you
22:59
have to have somebody in your corner that's gonna
23:02
accept you and and and make it okay
23:04
or make it tolerable. Joe Gordon
23:07
side. Adobe's first major league
23:09
season was rough. He struck out
23:11
more than twice as often as he had playing
23:13
for the New York Eagles. If you
23:15
asked me as to why I wasn't
23:17
a consistent ballplayer, I couldn't give
23:19
me an answer. Now, he kid had to be
23:22
something subconsciously that I had no control
23:24
over that. Nothing but his early performance
23:27
probably had something to do with the
23:29
almost inconceivable pressure
23:31
he and Jackie Robinson were under.
23:34
Here's Bob Kendrick from the Negro Leagues
23:36
Museum. Again, Jackie Robinson,
23:39
Larry Adobe. They were carrying
23:42
twenty one million
23:44
black folks on their back. So
23:47
if they failed, an
23:50
entire race of people fail. Can
23:53
you imagine carrying
23:55
that weight in a sport that is
23:57
predicated on failure? Baseball
23:59
is a game or failure is
24:02
crooks. In other words, in a game
24:04
where striking out is the norm,
24:06
black players couldn't really afford to strike out
24:09
even under the best of circumstances. You're
24:11
under extraordinary psychic strain.
24:14
So add to that, some
24:16
people would come to the games for the express
24:18
purpose of jeering him, of insulting
24:20
him. Oh yeah, it was a
24:23
microcosm of the world itself or our
24:25
country itself. I mean that
24:27
that's what it was like at that time. And
24:29
Otis Livingston says, It's not
24:31
like things were any easier off the field.
24:34
Couldn't stay in the same hotels with his teammates,
24:36
couldn't needed the same restaurants. His
24:39
family was not there to even lean
24:41
on. DOBIE's second season with the
24:43
Indians got off to an equally rocky
24:46
start. He worried that if he didn't
24:48
turn things around, he'd be demoted and
24:50
sent to play in the minor leagues. But
24:53
in he hit his
24:55
stride and by the end of the season, he
24:57
brought his batting average up to three oh one,
25:00
one of the best on the team, and later
25:02
that year, Dobie set another milestone.
25:05
He and his teammates Satchel Paige,
25:08
who had joined the Indians from the Negro Leagues
25:10
that July, became the first
25:12
black players to make it to the
25:14
World Series. Game
25:16
four of that series between Cleveland
25:19
and the Boston Braves would be one
25:21
of the most important of his life,
25:23
and the third inning, with two outs, Adobe
25:26
stepped up to the plate. First
25:28
pitch strike, but on
25:30
the second Pitchdobe hit the ball
25:33
hard. Indiandobe
25:35
rockets stays high, fast pitch
25:37
for the kipt to mars Abi more
25:40
than four feet into the right seal
25:42
cloud. DOBIE's round trip
25:45
is the first home run of the series. Larry
25:47
Adobe became the first black player
25:50
to hit a home run in a World Series,
25:53
a game winning home run, But
25:55
what happened afterward between Doobe
25:57
and Cleveland pitcher Steve Gromick made
26:00
be even more significant. After
26:02
the game, they rush into the clubhouse
26:05
jubilant, happy, and
26:07
a photographer from the Associated
26:09
Press captures the image
26:12
of Gromic Adobe hugging each
26:14
other with big smiles on their face. It's
26:17
a completely wonderful photograph. If
26:20
you haven't seen it, I urge you to google it.
26:22
The smiles on their faces, the sheer
26:25
joy. They're like two little
26:27
boys who just couldn't be happier to be
26:29
playing with each other. Their cheek
26:31
to cheek, but also their arms
26:33
just there. They're they're intertwine,
26:37
right, is almost symbolic of becoming one
26:40
against all odds, not just the baseball
26:42
odge, but against this segregation.
26:45
The photo ran in newspapers across
26:48
the country. Americans everywhere
26:50
saw a black man and a white man
26:52
embrace in celebration. It
26:55
became a symbol of this
26:57
great experiment of getting along, playing
27:00
together, accomplishing something,
27:03
and just loving each
27:05
other for his special Otis
27:07
asked Adobe's son, Larry Adobe
27:09
Jr. About the picture. When
27:12
I see it, I just see two people who
27:14
are extremely happy they won, and
27:17
they don't care about what color
27:19
skin each one is. It's just like
27:22
they love each other for winning. One guy
27:24
picks great, one guy hit great, and they're
27:26
just overjoyed. Probably my father's
27:28
happiest moment in baseball. The
27:31
love continued as the team went on to
27:33
win the World Series
27:37
and the nine team forty eight World Series
27:39
is all over. The Cleveland Indians
27:41
take the series four games to two.
27:44
After the final out of the final game,
27:46
the players ran onto the infield. You
27:49
could see it in the video. Adobe's number
27:51
four team gets lost in the celebrating
27:54
swarm. Every
27:56
amount on the team share his credit for the clown
27:59
the weird and about it too was. Years
28:02
later, he would admit that he
28:04
really didn't think of it as a big deal. Bill
28:07
Veck kept telling him, you're gonna make
28:09
history. You're making history, You're doing
28:11
this, and he didn't really grasp it
28:13
at the time, you know, as he was going
28:16
through it. Whendobe and Cleveland
28:18
won that World Series, there
28:21
were just five black players in the majors,
28:24
less than one percent of the league by
28:26
the time Doobe retired from baseball. In
28:28
nine of
28:31
major league players or black. Three
28:35
years after the World Series win, the
28:37
people of Patterson, New Jersey, helped
28:39
pay off the rest of their hometown
28:41
heroes mortgage Jobie
28:44
burned the mortgage paperwork before
28:46
a game against the New York Yankees.
28:50
Either way. Years after he retired
28:52
as a player, Larry Adobe went on
28:54
to become the manager of the Chicago
28:56
White Sox, the second black
28:58
manager in May Your League Baseball.
29:02
Larry Adobe was seventy nine when
29:05
he died on June two thousand
29:07
three, but he lived to see
29:09
his number retired by Cleveland in four
29:13
and in in Cooperstown,
29:16
New York, he was inducted into
29:18
the National Baseball Hall of Fame.
29:21
It's a very tough thing
29:23
to look back and think
29:25
about things that we're probably
29:27
negative, because you
29:29
put those things on the back burning you're
29:32
proud and happy that you've been in part of integrating
29:36
baseball to show people
29:39
that we can live together, we can work
29:41
together, we can play together,
29:44
and we can be successful together. And
29:48
I'm very happy and proud that I've been a part
29:50
of this baseball and I'm
29:52
still a part of it. Occasionally,
29:58
during their earliest days in major
30:00
leagues, Jackie Robinson and
30:02
Larry Dobie would talk over the phone at
30:04
night after games, sharing
30:06
their experiences. It makes
30:09
sense these were two men
30:11
who, for a time were the only
30:13
ones who really understood what the
30:15
other one was going through in
30:18
a league all by themselves, both
30:21
of them history makers. Jackie
30:25
Robinson's breaking of Major League
30:27
baseball's calib area carried the
30:29
same level of euphoria
30:32
that we saw as a nation when
30:34
Neil Armstrong landed on the moon. So
30:37
for black folks, Jackie
30:39
Robinson was our Neil Armstrong.
30:41
He was the proverbial first
30:43
man to walk on the moon. Well,
30:46
Larry Dobee is our buzz
30:48
all. Speaking
30:50
of astronauts, coming up the
30:53
story of the second American woman
30:55
in space, May
31:06
I ask, is Dr Judy Resnick
31:09
nearby? Mr? President
31:12
Judy? How is it your first flight? How's
31:14
it going? Is it all that you hoped it would be?
31:18
I couldn't have picked a better crew to be flying
31:20
with. That's
31:22
President Ronald Reagan calling
31:24
the crew of the Space Shuttle Discovery
31:27
on September one, and
31:30
chatting with Judith Resnick, who
31:32
a few days earlier had become the
31:34
second American woman to go into
31:36
space. Not that Judy,
31:39
that's what everyone called her. Cared much
31:41
about the distinction of being first or
31:43
second. It's a profession for me, and
31:45
the excitement is there every day. As
31:48
she once told her father, she just wanted
31:50
to be known as an astronaut period.
31:53
In fact, she was a lot more than that.
31:57
Funny, good looking, and very sociable.
32:00
She had just incredible talents
32:03
in academics. She'd sit in class,
32:05
she would just get it, get it all and
32:08
understand it. This is a woman
32:10
who is brilliant in music. She
32:12
just loved piano and she was an incredible
32:15
pianist. And in the kitchen, the
32:17
three lessons she taught me about
32:19
cooking where you know number one double
32:21
the garlic, two half the salt.
32:24
Uh, and then stir with your right hand while
32:26
you drink with your left. That's
32:29
Mike old Dack. He met Judy in college
32:32
at Carnegie Tech today known
32:34
as Carnegie Mellon. The two would
32:36
later marry. My roommate introduced
32:39
us and and that
32:41
was it. And was there an incident
32:44
chemistry? Uh yeah, pretty
32:46
much get progress
32:48
pretty quickly. We just sort of settled in together.
32:52
Judy had grown up in Acron, Ohio,
32:55
the daughter of Ukrainian Jewish immigrants.
32:58
She was close with her father, but had a
33:00
complicated relationship with her mother. Life
33:02
at home wasn't always easy. Her parents
33:05
would divorce when she was a teen, but
33:07
that didn't seem to hold her back. She
33:09
showed so much promise as a musician
33:11
she considered becoming a concert pianist.
33:14
She was a star student, getting a perfect
33:17
score on her s A T S and graduating
33:19
as valedictorian of her class.
33:22
She had the quote brain of a scientist
33:24
and the soul of a poet, her father,
33:27
Marvin Resnick, would later say.
33:30
At Carnegie, Judy started off as a math
33:32
major, but after attending some of
33:34
Mike's classes, she switched
33:36
to electrical engineering, becoming
33:39
one of only three women in that field
33:41
at the university. Do you think she was
33:43
intimidated by being one of just three
33:45
women in the program. I don't think
33:48
she was intimidated. She just took it in stride.
33:51
Her abilities just
33:54
paved the way. After graduation
33:56
in Judy and Mike
33:59
tied the knot and both took jobs
34:01
in the Missile and Surface Radar
34:03
division of our CI. A
34:05
sidebar. I can't be the only one who
34:07
hears our CIA and insidantally thinks
34:10
of a little dog listening to an old timey
34:12
phonograph. Great logo, right well.
34:14
Our CIER was also a major defense
34:17
contractor building advanced weapons
34:19
systems. I will admit Judy
34:21
was paid more than me. It was back in
34:24
seventy We both came on as design
34:27
engineers, and she got more money
34:29
than I did, and she graduated a lot
34:31
higher than I did. Mike ended up
34:33
switching careers to law,
34:35
while Judy stayed in engineering while
34:37
also going to school, eventually getting
34:40
her PhD. She developed a few
34:42
things that our cier patented. This was
34:44
in large scale integration for
34:46
computers. She was so competent
34:49
that it didn't seem like an
34:51
effort for her. It was a busy
34:53
and exciting time. But in Judy
34:57
and Mike made the difficult decision to
34:59
end their marriage. Why didn't
35:01
the marriage work. I've heard it
35:03
described as a failed marriage,
35:06
and I reject that. I think
35:08
it's more of Judy
35:10
and I decided that we really wanted
35:13
different things out of our future. I
35:15
wanted a family, and at that point she had
35:18
changed her mind and decides she did not want a family.
35:20
You know, I always believe that not all
35:23
people in love should be married. And we sort
35:25
of let each other go and do our
35:27
own things. We stayed very close.
35:31
Judy headed west to California
35:33
and a new adventure. In nine seventy
35:36
six, NASA announced that it was
35:38
quote committed to an affirmative
35:40
action program with a goal of having
35:42
qualified minorities and women among
35:44
the newly selected astronaut candidates
35:47
for its brand new space Shuttle
35:49
program. The celebrity who became
35:51
a spokesperson for this campaign, I'm
35:54
thinking to the whole family of human
35:56
kind, of minorities and women
35:58
alive. If you qualify
36:00
and would like to be an astronaut, now
36:03
is the time. The late great Nachelle
36:06
Nichols, this is your NASA, a
36:09
space agency embarked on a mission
36:11
to improve the quality of life on
36:13
planet Earth right now, who
36:16
had famously played Lieutenant Ukura
36:19
on Star Trek Transmission to start
36:21
complete, Nichols
36:24
used her star power, so to speak,
36:27
traveling around the country to recruit
36:29
a next generation of astronauts.
36:32
Among those who answered NASA's recruitment
36:35
call, Judith Resnick, when
36:37
you're when you're a old girl growing up an acron ohio
36:40
astronauts someday. No. I really didn't
36:42
think about it until when NASA announced that they
36:44
were looking for astronauts who would
36:46
be uh engineers and scientists on Spacehell.
36:49
And then I just took a chance and applies. Making
36:51
it her goal to be the best candidate
36:53
she could be. Judy got her pilot's
36:56
license and underwent intense training
36:58
to get into physical shape. It worked
37:01
by she was in.
37:03
This is Judy Resnick, age twenty nine.
37:06
She has a doctorate and electrical engineering
37:08
and is one of America's first woman astronauts.
37:11
She in thirty four other new astronauts began
37:13
their training today at the Johnson Space
37:16
Center. In her astronaut class,
37:18
Judy was one of six women, including
37:20
Sally Ride. Judy
37:23
threw herself into the rigorous, years
37:25
long Shuttle training, but also
37:28
knew when to have a little fun. She went by
37:30
the nickname j R. Not clear
37:32
if it had anything to do with the TV show Dallas,
37:34
a huge hit at the time. A fellow
37:36
astronaut would remember Judy as
37:39
a live wire and a star
37:41
attraction during trips
37:43
and happy hour. If Judy
37:45
had any desire to become the first American
37:48
woman in space, she didn't say so
37:50
out loud. What kind of mission
37:52
do you want to fly? Do you know? I'd
37:54
like to fly any mission? Actually, um,
37:58
the intent of a mission specialist is to
38:00
train us to be generalist, since to learn a
38:03
little bit about every field, and that I would
38:05
be glad to flying anything that they let me fly. And
38:08
when the time came for crew assignments
38:10
in ninety three, it turned
38:12
out, Judy would have to wait some
38:14
u s space history is to be made
38:17
up there on launch pad thirty nine
38:19
A well, the first time an American
38:21
woman will be launched into space. Her
38:24
name is Sally Ride. Quick
38:26
history lesson here. While Sally Ride
38:28
was the first American woman in space, she
38:30
was not the first woman in space. That
38:33
honor went to Soviet cosmonaut Valentina
38:36
Tereshkova, who had soared into the record
38:38
books back in nineteen sixty three, twenty
38:40
years before Ride, and as
38:42
the first ever space girl, Valentina
38:45
teres Cova is one of place in history.
38:47
What a triumph for Russian science. Now,
38:50
Sally Ride's ride was still
38:52
a very big deal, and just
38:54
one year later it was Judy's
38:56
turn. She was a mission specialist
38:59
on the base Shuttle Discovery that
39:02
existent and we have lipped off, lipped off
39:04
and missing ploty. One day the first
39:06
flight of the Abit of Discovery and the Shuttle
39:08
has cleared the power. As the Shuttle
39:11
went into orbit, Judy radioed
39:13
back to mission control that Earth
39:15
looks great. She had serious
39:17
work to do, but in photos and videos
39:20
from the mission she looks like she's having
39:22
the time of her life. She holds
39:24
up a sign that reads hi Dad. In
39:26
the background you can see an I heart
39:29
Tom Selleck sticker slapped
39:31
onto her locker. This was in his magnum
39:33
p I Heyday. At one point
39:35
she dawns Aviator sunglasses.
39:38
Now, Judy had become the second American
39:40
woman to go into space, but she was
39:42
also the first Jewish astronaut
39:44
to go into space. It's another
39:46
distinction she wasn't vocal about. But
39:49
her former husband Mike Oldack says,
39:51
there's more to the story. I think that's
39:54
misconstrue that she
39:56
had given up her Judyism,
39:58
and I think anything but Judy
40:01
did not want to be known as the first
40:04
Jewish astronaut. As she said
40:06
directly to me, I'm an astronaut
40:08
who happens to be a woman who
40:10
happens to be Jewish, who happens to have
40:12
brown hair. She was very firm in
40:15
saying that's who I am. She
40:17
didn't want the other labels Jewish
40:19
woman, brown hair. Well.
40:22
The only issue I have with that, if
40:24
I may, is
40:26
that she had amazing hair. Yes,
40:32
she really did. Yes, Yeah,
40:35
that was the first real hair in space.
40:41
I think most of those other astronauts
40:43
were former air Force pilots and
40:45
had buzz cuts. Discoveries
40:48
mission went off without a hitch.
40:50
Of course, the first landing to Discovery Actor,
40:52
a maiden flight that's been termed a major success.
40:55
If flying into outer space made Judy
40:58
nervous, she didn't sound like it. As
41:00
she told one writer, it does not enter
41:03
any of our minds that it is dangerous.
41:05
The world might think it is, we don't.
41:08
I think something is dangerous only if you're
41:10
not prepared for it, or you don't have
41:12
control over it. Less
41:14
than two years after Judy's voyage
41:16
on Discovery came her next mission,
41:19
aboard the Challenger and
41:22
lift off. Lift off
41:25
the twenty five Space Shuttle mission. And
41:27
it is clears the tower. Where
41:30
did you watch the launch from?
41:33
I actually was at my office and
41:35
uh, we didn't really have too many
41:38
TVs there. And I got a call from
41:40
my mother, uh in tears, telling
41:44
me that the shovel blown
41:46
up. On
41:50
the morning of January,
41:53
the Space Shuttle Challenger exploded
41:56
seventy three seconds after liftoff, killing
41:58
all seven crew members a board, including
42:01
civilian astronaut and teacher Kristi McAuliffe
42:04
and Judith Resnick By
42:07
controllers here looking very carefully in the situation
42:11
obviously a major malfunction. It
42:13
happened to be my seventeenth birthday.
42:16
I was a junior in high school, and
42:18
I can still see the student who ran into
42:20
the cafeteria at lunch and told us
42:23
I just remember. I couldn't believe it.
42:27
The crew of the Space Shuttle Challenger honored
42:29
us with the manner in which they lived their lives. We
42:32
will never forget them, nor the last
42:35
time we saw them this morning, as
42:37
they prepared for their journey and waved
42:39
goodbye and slipped
42:42
the surly bonds of Earth to
42:45
touch the face of God. An
42:47
investigation would later determine that
42:50
unexpectedly cold temperatures
42:52
had impacted the O ring seals
42:54
in one of the rocket boosters, causing
42:56
an explosion. I think a lot
42:58
of us have forgotten that space travel could
43:00
be dangerous. The Shuttle was just
43:03
so sleek on TV. It
43:05
looked almost like a high tech toy.
43:07
It didn't seem risky at all, but
43:10
of course it was. In
43:13
the years after the explosion, the US
43:15
government and Morton Thaia call, the
43:17
manufacturer of the rocket boosters, would
43:20
attempt to settle with the families of the Challenger
43:22
crew. The initial offers
43:24
were calculated with the formula factoring
43:27
in whether a crew member was survived by a
43:29
spouse and her children. Judy's
43:31
former husband, Mike Oldak, by then
43:34
a practicing attorney, didn't think
43:36
this was fair and took legal action
43:38
on behalf of the Resident family. Each
43:41
spouse would get X, each
43:43
child would get Why, Oh,
43:46
Judy is not married and didn't have many kids.
43:48
Too bad, We'll give her, you
43:50
know, just a small amount. And I said no.
43:53
Finally, after about
43:56
a year and a half, settled with
43:59
Martin Ya Cale for exactly what Judie's
44:01
father and brother wanted. What
44:04
was motivating you when I
44:06
decided that engineering
44:08
made a better hobby than a profession.
44:11
Uh, And I became a full time law
44:13
student, and so she was a big breadwinner
44:16
in her family. Judy
44:18
put me in law school. I felt I owed her family
44:21
and I wanted to do it. How
44:25
will you remember Judy? If there's one image
44:27
that pops into your mind when you think of her,
44:29
what is it? Probably just
44:32
smiling? I mean, she
44:34
was a very happy person and smiled
44:36
a lot. And uh, I knew
44:39
what she wanted. Judith Resident
44:41
wasn't the first woman in space She's
44:44
probably not the first name that comes to mind
44:46
when you think about the crew of the Challenger.
44:49
She probably would be fine with that number
44:52
one, number two. They
44:54
were just numbers to her. She
44:56
wanted to do something significant,
44:59
not necessarily be someone significant.
45:02
Judy was an astronaut. She was
45:04
also an exceptional human being
45:07
who deserved all the recognition she
45:09
never quite received. I
45:22
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45:25
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The inestimable. Aaron Shrank
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is our senior producer. Executive
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producers for Mobituaries include Steve
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Raises and me Morocca. The
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series is created by Yours truly
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and as always, undying gratitude
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to Rand Morrison and John carp for
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helping breathe life into Mobituaries
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