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Hey guys,

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and welcome

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to the

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Moms & Mysteries

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podcast. A

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true crime podcast featuring myself, Mandy, and

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my dear friend, Melissa. Hi, Melissa. Hi

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Mandy. How are you? I'm

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fantastic. It's February. It's

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a new month. I feel like a new person.

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I, it's only February 2nd. I told

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you yesterday, February was already awesome. And

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you're like, wow, Mandy, that's the spirit.

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We're only one day in. So, I

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was like, I don't know if I'm not pumped up

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about February, but I guess I need to be, I

0:53

need to match your excitement. Um,

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but I'm glad February is here. It

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already is sunnier outside. Like it already

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looks better. I'm, I'm telling you, it

1:02

real, there's really something to it. There's

1:04

something to saying goodbye to January. I

1:07

know. Well, you know, my daughter's birthday was in January and

1:10

we were even talking about it, she's like, it's

1:12

been like 10 days since my birthday. She's like,

1:14

it feels like forever. I was like, I know. Like

1:16

we couldn't believe it either. I know.

1:18

I know. So it's also a leap year. It

1:21

is. Is always fun. And

1:24

I decided to look up like the actual reason why

1:26

we have a leap year. Do you know the reason

1:28

why there's a leap year? Okay. Here's

1:30

my, my thinking. So we, every

1:33

year is technically 364 and a quarter days. And

1:37

so those move and then they add

1:39

together and that adds one more day.

1:43

Well, it's 365, but the rest of what you just said is Wait,

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what did I say? Yeah.

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Oh, okay. Yeah. So I don't

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know if, if they just didn't teach me that

1:54

in school or if I have just, I obviously

1:56

have never like looked it up or cared enough

1:58

to really learn or. They didn't stick with

2:00

me. I probably did learn and like that are great

2:03

but yes that is the reason why. Says at the

2:05

actual time it takes for the sun to. Go.

2:07

Around the Earth is. Or

2:09

for the earth's her of hotter offences. Plus honestly

2:11

I couldn't tell you what is it that goes

2:13

for them. whereas with us it's actually three hundred

2:16

and sixty five like in a club, out and

2:18

a quarter. so every four years they added day

2:20

to the calendar to make it make up for

2:22

it. Still a thing I found out because I

2:24

was little, what would happen if they didn't That.

2:26

Was crying of course. My next point a thing or

2:28

two years you would go there. Yes, of course. So

2:30

that out leap days though the calendar. Would

2:32

be off by five hours. Forty eight. Minutes and

2:35

forty five seconds more every year and

2:37

then after a hundred years the seasons

2:39

would be off by twenty five days.

2:41

So that's why we have to do

2:44

it. Otherwise like it will sync up

2:46

with the seasons like the actual little

2:48

we know for would eventually shift and

2:50

so it would be like. Our

2:52

know, a hundred years from now we would have summer

2:55

we'll deal. Fake. It was really always

2:57

yes. Like that we lay hemispheres,

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somebody saw. You. Have an

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idea that he says assess assess

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know that's interesting of my husband

3:06

and has as. Leap Year

3:08

birthday and so I always hold on of interesting.

3:10

I don't let the only person I know but

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like how we would that has to be you

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know to specialists that would be cool So when

3:16

to see celebrate usually does she say to see

3:18

claim. February twenty eighth or March first. And

3:21

analysis a consumer's. Of

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see very nice I just don't see are very

3:26

often. I just know. That it's on.

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Leave yourself. At home. But.

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You can give you any additional

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information now minister. Yeah.

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So February. After a

3:37

great start so far very happy

3:39

about. That for sure. Melissa, As you

3:41

said, it's getting warmer Be a beautiful weekend

3:44

coming up. I'm very kind of am. I

3:46

feel like. Now. Twenty

3:48

Twenty Four is starting. To snap were erasing

3:50

everything to happen before. This is a cistern

3:52

latika pop culture stuff so I'm not ready

3:54

to do that by I will lead to

3:56

success. so get

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into the episode this week, this

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story is really something else. It kind

4:03

of deals with something that we all

4:05

deal with, which is social media, interacting

4:08

with people online, meeting people on the

4:10

internet and truly not really

4:12

knowing who they are at their

4:14

core when you think about

4:16

it. And I do remember a time when

4:19

meeting people online was considered actually risky and

4:21

dangerous and it really wasn't that

4:23

long ago. It was really when

4:25

internet access became widely available and everybody started

4:27

using chat rooms and just having access to

4:30

people that you wouldn't normally have access to.

4:32

And I kind of grew

4:34

up in this like era where this was

4:36

starting to become a thing. And I remember

4:38

my parents always telling me that, you know,

4:41

I needed to be careful online. They were

4:43

always drilling internet safety into my head, you

4:45

know, telling me that there's bad people out

4:47

there that now have access to everybody,

4:49

you know, through these chat rooms and through the

4:52

internet. And they always told me to never even

4:54

share so much as my real name, certainly no

4:56

personal information that could ever track me down like

4:58

physically or anything like that. If

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I ever told my parents I met a friend online

5:02

and wanted to meet them, do you think they

5:04

would have let me do that Melissa? Absolutely

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not. Plus you could have accidentally gotten in

5:09

the chat room with a teenage girl who

5:11

was pretending to be an 80 year old

5:13

man for no reason. I was a big

5:15

danger. But even today

5:20

I feel like that has stuck

5:22

with me just because like I said, we

5:24

kind of grew up hearing that it's like

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danger. There's danger lurking on the internet. And

5:29

I don't think I'm ever really going to

5:31

get over that. I still have this kind

5:33

of unspoken weird fear that I need to

5:35

protect my identity online. And somebody out there

5:37

could just be watching in silence waiting to

5:40

sabotage me or hurt me or something. I

5:42

think it's a healthy fear though. Honestly, I'm

5:44

way on board with that. I definitely think

5:46

there's something to it. For

5:48

sure. There is something to it. But times certainly

5:51

have changed in terms of what society

5:54

considers normal. And most of

5:56

the interactions people have now, especially like

5:58

the younger generation is all

6:00

pretty much done online. People are meeting

6:03

friends online. Most people are

6:05

meeting their romantic partners online. And

6:07

really, like this was not a thing even 10 to 15

6:09

years ago, people would actually look at

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you with concern. If you told them you were

6:13

dating somebody you met online, Melissa, you kind of

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have a similar story of that. Oh, I met

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my husband online. And for a while, I told

6:20

people that we met through his sister because she

6:22

was in the same town I did because that

6:24

seemed less weird because exactly what you're saying people

6:26

thought it was strange. So right,

6:28

or they want to go back and figure out

6:32

the temperature of the country and everybody was like,

6:34

okay with it. I'm like, by the way, we've

6:36

met online. Don't worry about it. I had never

6:38

met a sister. It's good. Right. Yeah. But it's

6:40

so common now. Like nobody bats an eye at

6:42

all. If you say like, Hey, I have this

6:44

friend and someone says, well, where

6:46

do you know them? Right? Like, I met

6:48

them online. Nobody cares. Everyone's like, Oh, that

6:51

that makes total sense. Yeah. But

6:53

even though things have changed, it really does not

6:55

mean that we should let our guard down because

6:57

there are still plenty of reasons to

6:59

be very careful with who you talk to

7:01

online and who you share personal information with

7:03

online. And you know, the internet

7:06

is a wonderful thing, but it does have an

7:08

ugly side. And that is kind of highlighted in

7:10

the story that we're discussing this week. Living

7:13

the influencer lifestyle is like starring in your

7:15

own reality show where the plot revolves around

7:18

the dramatic unveiling of the new bikini that

7:20

you just brought on vacation. And of course,

7:22

the nail biting suspense of choosing the right

7:25

photo to post influencers

7:27

truly do work around the clock. They're

7:29

always creating aesthetic content with all the

7:31

vibes. And they're doing it all

7:33

while maintaining a hairstyle that defies both gravity

7:35

and common sense. Nice

7:38

clothes, cars, houses, all

7:40

of these things are a must for any

7:42

decent highlight reel. But yet an influencer's currency

7:44

is not gold or Bitcoin, but the number

7:46

of followers they have. But hey,

7:49

we're not here to knock on influencers today.

7:51

You do you and may all your angles

7:53

be flattering and your sponsor content deals be

7:56

ever plentiful. I'm just providing a

7:58

little bit of context into the lifestyle that Kelsey

8:00

Nicole Turner was accustomed to. In 2017, Kelsey

8:03

Turner was in her early 20s

8:06

and living her version of the good life. She

8:09

had seen success in modeling and had

8:11

appeared in magazines including Playboy Italia which

8:13

led to having an Instagram following of

8:16

over a hundred thousand. Kelsey

8:18

who went by Bad

8:20

Barbie on social media, you need to

8:23

point out that Bad Barbie has two

8:25

Ds. Oh Bad

8:27

has two Ds. Yes and not

8:31

confused with Bad Baby which

8:33

is the cash me outside

8:35

girl or Bad Bonnie

8:37

which is okay. Kendall Jenner's

8:39

ex-boyfriend. There's like a rapper. Too

8:42

many baddies going around right now. So

8:45

she mostly posted pictures of herself in just

8:47

a skimpy lingerie and bikinis and that was

8:50

the type of account that she had. She

8:53

did have a quote in her

8:55

Instagram bio by the rapper Pee-Lo

8:57

that said if they hating

8:59

got a price to pay California on

9:02

my license plate. Could

9:04

you translate that for me because I don't have

9:06

a clue what that means. I think she's

9:09

saying if you hate on me you're

9:11

gonna pay the price and I live

9:13

in California. As

9:18

long as we're on the same page there because that's

9:20

what I got out of it. Okay good.

9:23

So in 2018 Kelsey applied to be

9:25

on the cover of Maxim and in

9:27

the questionnaire she had to fill out

9:29

for this application she described herself as

9:31

a Russian-American blonde just trying to change

9:33

the world. She said that if

9:35

she won she would use the $25,000 prize to pay off her student debt

9:39

and to help her family. In

9:41

another interview Kelsey said she loved thrills

9:43

and she loved having fun. She just

9:45

wanted to really live her life to

9:47

the absolute fullest. According to Kelsey's

9:49

friends she was a type of woman who was always

9:52

dressed to the nines. She always had her hair and

9:54

makeup done and if you were

9:56

to look at her she really was

9:58

just portraying that Instagram influencer. vibe. And

10:01

that actually was important to Kelsey. She wanted

10:03

people to believe that she was living this

10:05

very lavish lifestyle. But

10:08

in reality, Kelsey wasn't actually making that much

10:10

money from modeling and influencing. So she had

10:12

to get creative when it came to funding

10:14

her dream life. Sometimes in

10:16

or around 2017, Kelsey met

10:19

Dr. Thomas Kirk Burchard online.

10:22

Thomas was a much, much older man.

10:24

He was actually pushing 70 when

10:26

he and Kelsey connected. Tom was

10:28

an accomplished child psychiatrist who was

10:31

living in California and working at

10:33

Community Hospital of the Monterey Peninsula.

10:35

He was actually the only child psychiatrist

10:37

in that area for a very long

10:40

time. After he got

10:42

his pre-med, he went on to receive

10:44

his medical degree from the University of

10:46

Virginia in 1974. He went

10:48

on to intern in his hometown at

10:50

the Cincinnati Children's Hospital before moving to

10:52

LA to become an adult psychiatry resident

10:55

at a VA hospital. After

10:57

that, he worked as a child psychiatry

10:59

fellow at UCLA and eventually found himself

11:01

at Community Hospital in Monterey. Tom

11:04

lived just a short distance away

11:06

in Salinas, California with his longtime

11:08

girlfriend Judy and her children. Tom

11:11

was known for being a very caring

11:13

and compassionate child psychiatrist. He

11:16

eventually became the director of child and

11:18

family programs and the chairman of the

11:20

psychiatry department at the hospital where he

11:22

worked. And he even taught a few

11:24

classes at a few colleges including UCLA.

11:28

Thomas was known to be really excellent with

11:30

his patients. He would always have buckets of

11:32

candy and snacks for the kids as well

11:34

as piles of books and beanie babies to

11:37

play with. Tom also often performed magic tricks

11:39

with his signature trick being that he could

11:41

turn a one dollar bill into a 100

11:44

dollar bill. I wish I had that

11:46

ability. I know and like isn't this amazing

11:48

how many times can you do it Tom?

11:50

One of Tom's patients even said that going

11:52

to Tom's office was like going to Willy

11:54

Wonka's. But Tom wasn't just

11:57

trying to butter his patients really

12:00

cared about each of them and would often

12:02

go into overtime due to spending so much

12:04

time with his patients and giving them the

12:06

opportunity to be heard out. He

12:09

was also joyful and never seemed like he was in

12:11

a rush. When his

12:13

patients turned 18, Tom would actually continue to

12:15

see them if they wanted. One

12:17

of his patients' fathers said that Tom was

12:19

the nicest man you could have ever met.

12:21

He did so much for his patients, including

12:23

buying food and school supplies for them and

12:26

even helping pay their families rent. Even

12:28

when Tom hit retirement age at 65, he

12:31

didn't completely retire, he just cut his hours

12:33

down and started working a four-day week. He

12:36

just didn't want to leave his patients. So

12:39

we don't know the full details about

12:42

exactly how or why Tom got into

12:44

contact with a 20-something-year-old model and Instagram

12:46

influencer, but we can assume that it

12:48

was likely through one of Kelsey Turner's

12:50

social media accounts. Although

12:52

Tom was in a committed relationship with Judy

12:54

and had helped raise her children and later

12:56

played a role in her grandson's life, he

12:59

actually had this history of befriending younger women online

13:01

who were down on their luck and just needed

13:03

a leg up. He would give them

13:05

money to help them take care of themselves. Judy

13:08

was aware of all this. She

13:11

later said she thought Tom got a huge

13:13

ego boost from doing this and said she

13:15

really didn't feel threatened by his relationship with

13:17

Kelsey. She said

13:19

that Tom had given money to around six women

13:21

over the course of their relationship, but it was

13:24

done to a greater extent when it came to

13:26

Kelsey. Judy

13:28

said Tom was overly compassionate just as a

13:30

person and all he ever wanted to do

13:32

was help people. He

13:34

believed everyone could be good and

13:37

no one is intrinsically bad, and

13:39

that's something Judy didn't necessarily agree

13:41

with. She believed there were people

13:43

out there who would take advantage of Tom and

13:45

his generosity. After meeting Kelsey

13:47

online, Tom exchanged numerous emails with her and

13:49

got to know her as a single mom

13:52

who was suffering financial hardships and just needed

13:54

a little boost to get back on her

13:56

feet. She told Tom

13:58

she didn't have any credit and so therefore she

14:00

wasn't able to rent a place by herself. So

14:03

Tom agreed to sign the lease on a home that

14:05

cost $3200 a month

14:07

in Salinas. Judy

14:09

warned Tom that things could go south really quickly

14:11

if Kelsey didn't hold up her into the deal

14:13

and pay this $3200 a month rent and it

14:16

would fall on Tom's

14:19

responsibility to take care of it if that

14:21

happened. But Tom didn't listen

14:24

and that is what ended up happening.

14:26

Tom started paying the rent for Kelsey and

14:29

then later when she told him that she

14:31

needed a car he either loaned or bought

14:33

a BMW for her to drive. It

14:36

got to a point where Kelsey just kept having

14:38

all these things that she needed and only Tom

14:40

was able to help her with them. Rather

14:43

than being humble and grateful for everything that he had

14:45

already done for her, she started

14:48

acting entitled and started demanding

14:50

things. She was

14:52

constantly expecting Tom to pay for everything

14:54

and I mean expensive things or just

14:57

simply give her money. Over

15:00

the course of two years Tom

15:02

gave Kelsey over $500,000 for things

15:05

like prescription drugs, money, rent and

15:07

access to cars. Eventually

15:10

this turned into a full-on what you

15:12

could call a sugar daddy type of

15:14

relationship where their interactions were both intimate

15:17

and transactional. Tom

15:19

became obsessed with Kelsey and according to his friends

15:21

he was willing to do whatever it took to

15:23

keep her in his life. He

15:26

even told his friends that his

15:28

feelings for Kelsey made him understand

15:30

how heroin addicts must feel which

15:32

that's a strong way to describe

15:35

how you feel about someone. And

15:37

coming from this psychiatrist who literally knows

15:39

what that means it's not just any

15:41

old person saying that like he's really

15:44

in this he's really obsessed

15:46

with her. Yes. Kelsey

15:49

of course was also invested in the relationship

15:51

but definitely not for the same reasons. She

15:53

had become dependent on the money Tom was

15:56

supplying for her lavish lifestyle and

15:58

as we mentioned before this was something that was was

16:00

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16:02

a key factor in being able to

16:04

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Dr. Thomas Bouchard's background and

20:02

sort of how he's met Kelsey

20:04

and just the beginnings of this

20:06

relationship they had with one another

20:08

that ended up, as

20:10

Mandy said before, kind of in a little

20:13

bit of a sugar daddy situation. So the

20:15

longer this went on and the more Tom

20:17

provided for Kelsey, his girlfriend Judy began to

20:19

see the signs that Kelsey was just not

20:21

a good person and she was only concerned

20:24

about Tom's money. The Tom really

20:26

had blinders on and he refused to see it.

20:29

Judy later claimed that Kelsey had

20:31

done some very shady things like

20:33

forging Tom's signature on checks and

20:35

even stealing from him. Judy

20:37

finally had enough of this and in the early fall of

20:40

2018, she told Tom

20:42

that it was time to completely cut Chelsea

20:44

off. Well, this didn't go

20:46

over very well with Kelsey. When

20:48

Tom tells her that they have to end

20:50

their relationship, Kelsey sends a text where she

20:53

actually threatens to kill Judy. Nevertheless,

20:55

Tom stops paying the rent on Kelsey's home

20:58

and he informed the landlord that he would

21:00

not be making any further payments. He

21:02

also at this time takes back her

21:04

BMW. So when Kelsey doesn't

21:06

pay the rent for three months in a row

21:09

and Tom doesn't help her do that, the landlord

21:11

finally evicts her. At

21:13

this point, Judy just wants to get Kelsey

21:15

as far out of the picture as possible.

21:17

So she actually suggested to Tom that he

21:19

could pay for her to relocate to Las

21:22

Vegas, which is a good place for her

21:24

to do modeling as well as it's eight

21:26

hours away from Tom. How fed

21:28

up do you have to be to be like, can

21:30

you just relocate her to another state? I

21:33

know, and you know, she's thinking like, I don't even

21:35

think Las Vegas is far enough. Like she wants it

21:37

to be forever, but like that would

21:39

be enticing to somebody that's Instagram modeling

21:42

and influencer. Las Vegas actually makes a lot

21:44

of sense, right? So Tom

21:46

agrees to this. In December of 2018, he

21:48

paid for Kelsey and her son to rent

21:50

a four bedroom house in Las Vegas. This

21:53

was supposed to be the final end

21:55

of their relationship. And Tom tried to stay

21:57

out of her life, but Kelsey was really-

22:00

relentless and she kept texting Tom

22:02

and you know saying she needed

22:04

more money for literally everything. So

22:07

Tom continues to give money

22:09

to Kelsey and he even buys her a

22:11

new Mercedes to replace the BMW that he

22:14

had taken back months earlier. So

22:16

Kelsey was very brazen

22:19

with this and she had no problem

22:21

rubbing it in Judy's face. She actually

22:23

sends a text to Judy with her

22:25

picture in the Mercedes and

22:27

said quote, thanks for taking the BMW.

22:30

I look better in the bins anyway

22:32

and then she followed that by three

22:35

middle finger emoji. So poor

22:37

Judy like what did Judy even do?

22:39

She just exist. She hasn't even done

22:41

anything to Kelsey. I mean she is

22:44

Tom's girlfriend. They

22:46

live together like just the

22:48

audacity of this happening

22:50

and this girl being like rubbing it in her

22:52

face and saying all these things like what Judy

22:55

even do she did nothing. Nothing. Meanwhile

22:57

Kelsey invited multiple roommates to live with her

22:59

and her son in the Vegas house despite

23:01

telling Tom that the house was just for

23:03

herself and her kid. But I

23:05

kind of wonder because it's a four bedroom house.

23:08

She did not need a four bedroom house. Okay.

23:10

Well one could argue that just because she needs

23:12

a car she also doesn't need a BMW or a

23:14

Mercedes. It seems like Tom just wanted

23:16

to give her not just help her but also

23:18

help her with the best of

23:20

things. Right. Okay. Good

23:23

point because I'm like right there that tells me some things up

23:25

but you're right. So Kelsey actually

23:27

had a boyfriend named John Kennison who

23:29

went by Logan who was

23:32

actually living there as well as a friend

23:34

named Diana Pena and another man whose name

23:36

is not important because he really has little

23:38

to do with the rest of the story.

23:41

So Tom didn't know about this guy

23:43

Logan at all and he certainly didn't

23:45

know that he was a former gang

23:47

member who had been previously in prison.

23:50

In 2016 Logan pleaded guilty to conspiracy

23:52

to violate the Uniform Controlled Substances Act

23:54

and was sentenced to serve between 12

23:56

and 32 months followed by no

24:00

more than three years of probation. He

24:02

was released in August of 2018. So

24:06

Kelsey continued to demand financial support from

24:08

Tom and just would not stop asking,

24:10

even though Tom repeatedly pointed out how

24:13

much money he had already given her

24:15

at that point. Tom's

24:17

friend said he was having a really tough

24:19

time getting away from her and being able

24:21

to put really any distance between the two

24:23

of them. But by February of 2019, he

24:27

was ready to fully break things off because

24:29

he couldn't afford to

24:31

keep paying for Kelsey's lavish

24:33

lifestyle anymore. Later

24:36

in February, Kelsey contacted Tom and told him

24:38

that she was sick and she wasn't able

24:40

to take care of her son. At

24:44

this point, Tom is feeling

24:46

like he's being had

24:48

and I mean, he

24:50

wants to go out there and see for himself what's really

24:53

going on. So he told Kelsey that he

24:55

was gonna come out to Vegas and visit and

24:57

really he just wants to go there and see

24:59

if she's telling the truth, what's

25:02

going on in this house that he's paying for, just all

25:04

of it, he hasn't seen any of it in person. When

25:07

Kelsey finds out that Tom's going to come to Las Vegas,

25:10

she panicked because keep in mind, she

25:12

has this house full of roommates and

25:14

also that secret boyfriend that Tom isn't

25:16

aware of. So she tells

25:18

all of her roommates not to tell Tom

25:20

that Logan actually was her boyfriend. Instead, they

25:22

were supposed to tell Tom that Logan was

25:24

her tattoo artist

25:27

that just lives with her. But

25:30

also that's a frivolous thing to

25:33

even, you know what I

25:35

mean? If I'm this person and I'm thinking, I

25:37

would say cousin or something, but tattoo artist

25:40

says, this is another person you're

25:42

paying money to, Tom. That's

25:44

a whole other industry, for sure. So

25:47

without even telling Judy that he was leaving,

25:49

Tom flew out to Vegas on March 1st. He

25:52

called Judy after he landed and told her what

25:54

was going on. And he said Kelsey was just

25:56

such a pervasive liar, he had to go out

25:59

and talk to him. out there and see things for

26:01

himself. Judy got

26:03

a really bad feeling about all of this and asked

26:05

Tom to just get on the next plane and come

26:07

back home. But Tom chose to stay in Vegas and

26:09

try to get to the bottom of everything that

26:11

was going on. He was supposed to

26:14

return to California on March 4. On

26:17

March 2, Tom texted Judy, saying

26:19

he was excited to come home, and he

26:21

thought things had been resolved with Kelsey,

26:23

meaning the ties

26:25

have been cut and everything is going to

26:28

be fine. But after

26:30

this text, Tom stopped replying to Judy,

26:32

and he wouldn't answer her calls. The

26:35

following day, March 3, Judy texted Tom and

26:37

asked why he wasn't answering his phone. She

26:39

did get a reply that said, I'm out

26:42

to lunch. But really, this was just not

26:44

an acceptable answer to Judy. She said, you

26:46

know, she's been with Tom for a long

26:48

time. She said he wasn't the type to

26:50

ignore calls while he was having lunch. And

26:53

when that was the response that she

26:55

got, it just gave her this sinking

26:57

feeling that whoever had sent that reply

26:59

wasn't Tom. But she sent

27:01

back another text asking, you know, why it

27:03

was a problem to take a call at lunch

27:05

when it had never been an issue before. And

27:08

then she got another response indicating

27:10

that Tom needed to charge his

27:12

phone. And after that, the

27:14

phone was turned off. And Judy's continued

27:16

texts and calls went unanswered. Later

27:20

on March 3, Judy called the police in

27:22

Las Vegas and asked them to conduct a

27:24

welfare check at Kelsey's house. Officers

27:27

did go to the home, but they were unable

27:29

to make contact with anyone inside. So there was

27:31

really nothing more for them to do. I don't

27:34

fully understand this. Because if I send the police

27:36

to your house to check on you and no

27:38

one answers the door, that's the reason I want

27:40

them there to check on you, right? I

27:43

thought that way. I

27:46

don't understand. I guess I don't really understand how

27:48

police welfare checks work. If anybody would

27:50

like to explain that to us, please. One person.

27:53

Just one. Talk amongst yourselves and pick

27:55

one representative to email us. Because yeah, I would

27:57

think, I mean, I get why they can't. Because

27:59

obviously. What if people just aren't home the police

28:01

can't just go burst the going on because someone's how's

28:04

it has says that they mean the in out and

28:06

do to be checked up on. but I do kind

28:08

of feel like it is kind of a weird thing

28:10

right? Some like. That's. My point of

28:12

this re if I said I was worried about

28:14

you and sent the police to check on you

28:16

in they said she didn't answer the door, I'd be

28:18

like. Yeah. I know nothing about. Exactly

28:22

Yeah No I agree with you I think they have

28:24

to have some okay at be wrong by think they

28:26

have to have something more like see something in the

28:29

window or whatever to be able to do that but

28:31

I understand like both sides of a you don't want

28:33

yeah doing into your house but then also what do

28:35

you do when you can get hold of them. Etti

28:38

right? To. The next day should

28:40

have been when Thomas flying home to

28:42

California, but Tom still wasn't answering. Do

28:44

these texts or calls. Duty.

28:46

Ghosts of the Airport any way to meet

28:48

him since she knew about this fight home,

28:50

but it became clear that something was terribly

28:52

wrong with Tom. Never got off the plane

28:54

and the front desk agent told you to

28:57

eat that he never checked him for his

28:59

flight. Judy immediately called the Las Vegas Police

29:01

and reported her missing. So. Officers

29:03

go back to kill his house again

29:05

in to conduct a welfare check, but

29:08

once again they're unable to contact anyone

29:10

inside. On. March Fifth Officers

29:12

went to the house again even though nobody

29:14

answered the door, Officers did notice all the

29:16

lights were on inside the house. in the

29:19

blinds were up there with mail that was

29:21

piled up the mailbox and a package sitting

29:23

at the front door. The. Officers

29:25

walked into the backyard and saw some

29:28

windows open said a peek inside. That's

29:30

when he noticed sides of a struggle when

29:33

they looked in and since the front door

29:35

was unlocked they went ahead and made entry

29:37

into the home so sounds like we answered

29:39

room question one cel I simply cannot have

29:42

read some it going to nobody was inside

29:44

the house but it reach of ammonia and

29:46

they were cleaning supplies scattered in every room.

29:49

They believe that this looks like everyone

29:51

had just. Abruptly left us

29:53

residents. After. two more

29:55

days have no answers las vegas police got

29:57

a name of one call on the morning

30:00

of march seventh that would finally shed light

30:02

on what happened to Tom. In

30:04

a very rural area of the

30:06

desert off State Route 147, a

30:09

man spotted an abandoned Mercedes. This

30:12

is the type of area where you're

30:14

driving not Mercedes, you're driving four by

30:16

fours, you're driving trucks, you're driving ATVs,

30:18

that sort of thing like you're off

30:20

the beaten path, right? Vehicles meant to

30:22

be off-road for sure. Right, but all

30:24

that to say that there's no reason

30:26

you'd bring a Mercedes out here. Not

30:28

only would it get banged up, it

30:30

can't really make it out there. So

30:33

the man who finds this car was actually

30:35

out there testing out a new Trekky bot,

30:37

which makes sense. So patrol

30:39

officers agree that some sort of crime has

30:41

been committed, so they go out to the

30:43

deserted area and found a blue 2017 Mercedes

30:47

Benz C300 two-door coupe with

30:49

a California license plate. The

30:52

windows were rolled down to the car, but no one was

30:54

in the car. It appeared that

30:57

whoever was driving had actually gotten stuck on

30:59

a pile of rocks where they're trying to

31:01

move it behind a mound, like to conceal

31:03

it better. And when it didn't

31:06

make it there, they just up and

31:08

left it where it got stuck. When police

31:10

ran the license plate on this car, they

31:12

learned that it was registered to a person

31:14

in San Francisco and the vehicle had not

31:16

been reported stolen. They were able to use

31:18

the push start ignition to start the car

31:20

and they opened the trunk just to see

31:22

what was inside. Upon

31:24

opening the trunk, officers smelled a foul

31:27

odor and noticed a bunch of clothes,

31:29

bedding, and just other random things inside

31:31

the trunk. When

31:33

they started moving the stuff to the side, they saw

31:35

what appeared to be a human body part.

31:39

Crime scene investigators came to assist and

31:41

take over the investigation, and they found

31:44

tire impressions and footprints at the scene

31:46

around the Mercedes. Inside

31:49

the car, there were several latex gloves

31:51

and evidence of a small fire having

31:53

occurred on the front passenger seat. It

31:56

appeared that this was an attempt to light the entire

31:58

car on fire, but the fire had actually

32:00

extinguished itself before it caught

32:02

and was able to do that. Blood

32:05

was found on the driver's seat headrest and in

32:07

the back seat. There was

32:10

also small tears in the headliner that were

32:12

noted. All

32:14

signs pointed to a violent attack taking

32:16

place inside the car. The

32:19

Mercedes was towed to the crime lab for a

32:21

more thorough inspection. Everything

32:23

was removed from the trunk and that's when

32:25

investigators found the body of an older white

32:28

man with intense trauma to his head. The

32:31

body was soon identified as being that

32:33

of Dr. Thomas Burchard who investigators learned

32:36

had been reported missing by his

32:38

girlfriend Judy days earlier. A

32:41

medical examiner determined that Thomas died from blunt

32:43

force trauma to the head and ruled his

32:45

manner of death a homicide. He

32:48

was apparently struck multiple times with an

32:50

unknown object that left a unique pattern.

32:54

His body also had several defensive

32:56

wounds. Several

32:58

items of evidence were recovered from the

33:00

Mercedes including latent prints, swabs

33:03

of possible DNA, blue latex gloves

33:05

with blood on them, clothing with

33:07

blood on it, Thomas's vest and

33:09

house keys, a blue and white

33:11

striped bath towel and a baseball

33:13

bat. There were also

33:15

cleaning supplies in the car and it looked as

33:17

though someone had attempted a cleanup. The

33:20

blood evidence suggested that Thomas was attacked in

33:22

the vehicle but it was unclear if the

33:24

attack started inside the car or if it

33:27

was started outside the car and then continued inside

33:29

the car. The

33:31

blood evidence also showed that Thomas's body was

33:33

likely removed through the passenger door and then

33:35

placed in the trunk. At

33:38

first they thought the baseball bat was the murder

33:40

weapon but then they realized that was way too

33:42

big to be used inside the car so they

33:44

were sure there was a different item used in

33:46

the attack. The latent prints

33:49

they recovered were then sent off for

33:51

analysis and hopefully to be identified. And

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39:03

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39:11

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Both halves of these doors had a lot of

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39:42

were able to trace Kelsey's cell phone to

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her phone appeared to be away from the house. And

40:00

then after 5.20 PM on March 6th, her

40:02

phone left the area of her home and it

40:05

never returned. This was interesting

40:07

because Thomas had just paid her rent

40:09

on March 1st and her lease wasn't

40:11

gonna be over until June of 2019.

40:14

So it doesn't make any sense why Kelsey

40:16

having her rent being paid already would just

40:18

up and leave. So her cell phone data

40:20

shows that on March 7th, her

40:23

phone was powered off and never turned back on

40:25

again. Officers also noted that

40:27

her phone was shut off after news broke

40:29

that Thomas's body had been found. By

40:32

March 12th, police had learned more information

40:34

about the Mercedes that Thomas was found

40:36

in. As we mentioned, the car was

40:38

registered to someone in San Francisco, but

40:40

it hadn't been reported stolen. So

40:43

as it turned out, the owner of the car actually

40:45

lived in China. So this guy had

40:47

placed a Craigslist ad asking for

40:49

someone to take over his car payments and

40:51

he showed documents proving that Kelsey Turner is

40:53

the one who agreed to take over these

40:56

payments. She actually paid $2,500 down to

40:58

the owner and

41:00

he even agreed to put her on his

41:02

insurance and she would pay him $542 a

41:04

month until

41:06

the loan was paid off. Obviously,

41:08

we know Kelsey wasn't paying this,

41:10

but Tom was. Either

41:13

way, this told officers that the Mercedes did

41:15

in fact belong to Kelsey Turner and it

41:17

had been in her possession for months. And

41:21

of course, the fact that she hasn't reported

41:23

it stolen or missing is highly suspicious. Thomas's

41:25

phone records were reviewed on March 12th

41:27

and investigators found that his phone had

41:30

no outgoing voice calls or text messages

41:32

after March 3rd, which narrowed down the

41:34

date of his murder to sometime between

41:36

March 3rd and March 6th, which we

41:38

already knew. By

41:40

March 13th, Kelsey's phone still hadn't been turned

41:42

back on and she had still not returned

41:44

to the house that she was

41:46

living in. So investigators

41:48

believed she had gone into hiding after

41:50

she found out Thomas's body was discovered

41:53

and they also believed that she was

41:55

responsible for his murder. They

41:57

issued an open murder warrant for her arrest

42:00

to work trying to find her. It

42:02

took them a week, but finally on March 21st, FBI

42:05

agents tracked her down in Stockton, California, where

42:08

she was found in a house in a

42:10

semi-industrial area close to a railroad track, and

42:12

she had her four-year-old son with her. Upon

42:16

her arrest, Kelsey revealed that she was

42:18

actually pregnant with her second baby, which

42:21

of course really complicates matters, and this ended

42:23

up leading to some issues with getting her

42:25

extradited back to Vegas, so that was put

42:27

on hold. When

42:29

Kelsey walked into the interrogation room

42:32

to meet with the lead detective,

42:34

she allegedly acted very seductively towards

42:36

the officer up until the

42:38

moment that they read her rights to her,

42:40

and then she became emotionless and said she

42:42

wanted a lawyer. So Kelsey's dad could

42:45

not believe what his daughter was going through,

42:47

and he told the Californian that she had

42:49

been falsely accused. He said she

42:51

was a great person and a wonderful and loving

42:53

mother. He also created a

42:56

GoFundMe to raise money for Kelsey's legal defense, where

42:58

he wrote that Kelsey had always gone out of

43:00

her way to help others, and now she was

43:02

the one who needed help herself. He

43:04

was trying to raise $50,000, but

43:07

the GoFundMe was actually taken down within a few

43:09

days. The most

43:11

obvious question on everyone's minds was whether or

43:13

not Kelsey could have pulled this off on

43:15

her own. Tom was

43:17

almost six feet tall and weighed about 250 pounds. It

43:21

did not seem likely at all that Kelsey could

43:23

have killed him and moved his body to the

43:25

trunk of the car without someone helping her. Meanwhile,

43:29

results from some of the forensic tests were

43:31

starting to trickle in, and it was learned

43:33

that the latent prints found in the car

43:36

belonged to two of Kelsey's roommates. One

43:38

of them was her boyfriend Logan, and

43:40

the other was the girl named Diana

43:42

Pina. They were

43:44

able to identify their prints because Diana's were

43:46

actually already on file due to having worked

43:48

at Caesar's Palace, which I didn't even think

43:50

of that, but it makes sense that the

43:53

casinos would fingerprint you and run

43:55

a background check before you're allowed to work in a casino.

43:58

And Logan's were on file because of course, we

44:00

said he had a prior criminal record so he was

44:02

really easy to identify. Further investigation

44:04

revealed that Diana had not shown up

44:06

for her job since March 6th and both

44:08

she and Logan's phones had also been

44:10

shut off since around the same time

44:12

Kelsey's went dark. They

44:15

did find out that Diana checked into a

44:17

hotel room at the Rio on March 4th

44:20

so officers went to the Rio and

44:22

they searched and ended up finding five

44:24

pieces of paper that had Tom's

44:26

name on them that had actually been

44:29

removed from his planner where he

44:31

kept financial notes and password information. They

44:34

also found prescription bottles belonging to

44:36

Diana as well as Kelsey's driver's

44:38

license and this led them to

44:40

believe that all three of the suspects had been staying

44:42

in this hotel room together. Warrens

44:45

were issued for the arrests of Diana and

44:48

Logan on April 5th. They

44:50

were also charged with open murder and

44:52

then at the same time Kelsey had

44:54

an added charge of conspiracy thrown on

44:56

top. Officers

44:58

began searching for all three of them. On

45:01

April 13th Diana surrendered herself to the

45:03

police and gave a full confession about

45:05

the events that involved Thomas's murder. Diana

45:08

said that on March 2nd after she

45:10

finished her bartending shift at Caesars Palace

45:13

she asked Kelsey for a ride. When

45:15

Kelsey showed up Tom was in the car with

45:17

her. Tom was actually driving

45:19

the car but they ended up getting lost on

45:21

the way back to the house so he gave

45:24

his phone to Kelsey so she could pull up

45:26

the GPS. Kelsey started

45:28

looking through his phone and found

45:30

messages between her mom and Tom

45:33

so he's been in contact with

45:35

Kelsey's mother. These messages actually included

45:37

talk about possibly having Kelsey's son

45:39

taken away. So after

45:41

Kelsey saw these messages she started attacking

45:44

Tom. She was hitting and kicking him

45:46

while they were still inside the car.

45:49

So when they arrived back at

45:51

Kelsey's house the conflict continued to

45:53

escalate. Kelsey actually threatened to report

45:55

Tom to his employer for allegedly

45:57

having child sex abuse materials on his

45:59

phone. That was absolutely not

46:01

on there. She was just making that

46:03

kind of threat because imagine what that

46:05

would do to his whole entire life

46:07

if someone actually thought that. So

46:10

Diana, who was at the house while this fight

46:12

was going on, said that Tom seemed confused and

46:15

he just kept telling Kelsey that he loved her

46:17

and didn't know why she was acting that way.

46:21

Diana ended up having another trusted friend come

46:23

over to pick up Kelsey's son when it

46:25

became clear that this fight was getting really

46:27

out of hand. So

46:29

Tom tries to give Kelsey some space by going

46:31

up to the room where he had been sleeping

46:33

and just closing the door. But Kelsey

46:35

comes up and she continues yelling at him.

46:39

Eventually her boyfriend Logan joined in on the

46:41

screaming and the yelling. He seemingly

46:43

was getting more and more riled up the

46:45

more Kelsey went on. So

46:47

at some point Logan broke down the

46:50

door and began assaulting Tom with a

46:52

baseball bat. At this point

46:54

Diana started screaming for them to stop and begging

46:56

the rest of the group to calm down. Diana

46:59

said she noticed a big red and

47:01

purple bruise on Tom's right temple. Diana

47:05

then took the bat from Logan and managed to persuade

47:07

him to ease up on Tom. Diana

47:10

also urged them to take Tom to the

47:12

hospital and they said they would. Tom

47:15

got rinsed off in a bathroom and then he waited

47:17

in the back of Kelsey's car for a ride to

47:19

the hospital. Tom said

47:21

that he planned on saying he'd been

47:23

mugged so Kelsey wouldn't face any legal

47:25

trouble. So after Tom was already

47:27

in the car he decided that he

47:30

wanted his jacket so Kelsey and Logan go

47:32

inside to get it. While

47:34

they're inside taking forever to return

47:36

the jacket Tom said to Diana

47:38

quote, you know they're going to kill me. Which

47:41

I can't imagine hearing that or saying

47:43

that but just terrible. But this is after

47:45

you've already been beat in the head with

47:47

a baseball bat and so like I can't

47:49

imagine how terrified he must have been and

47:51

also thinking like these are the same people

47:53

that are supposed to take me to the

47:55

hospital. Yeah like that all of that is

47:57

just very just upsetting to think about that

47:59

whole. scene unfolding at that house

48:01

in that garage. Yeah. So

48:04

when Kelsey and Logan came back, they told

48:06

Diana to go upstairs and clean up the

48:08

mess they had made during this big site

48:10

they had in the bedroom while Tom stayed

48:12

behind in the garage. Diana

48:15

went inside the house and very

48:17

shortly after that, the next thing

48:19

she heard was Kelsey screaming and

48:21

swearing at Logan and demanding that

48:23

he knock Thomas out. So

48:26

Diana runs back to the garage telling

48:28

Kelsey, you know, trying to tell Kelsey

48:30

that they need to stop, but Kelsey

48:32

actually came into the house as Diana

48:34

was going back out there and told

48:36

Diana that it was too late. Tom

48:38

was already dead. Logan

48:41

soon emerged from the garage covered in

48:43

blood, including blood splatter on his face.

48:45

In his hand was a blood soaked gun,

48:47

which he had just used to beat Tom

48:49

to death with while Kelsey egged him on.

48:53

Diana was in utter shock and at that moment

48:55

she feared for her own life as well. She

48:58

thought if she didn't just do what they said

49:00

and help them clean up, they would beat her

49:02

to death too. I can't

49:04

imagine seeing

49:07

that like the site of Logan coming in covered

49:09

in blood. I mean, and what like no

49:11

one knows how they would react in that situation. Of

49:14

course, everyone would be like, Oh, you run away and

49:16

call the police, but you can see

49:18

how like your brain is not wired

49:20

to process what's going on that quickly

49:22

in that type of a situation. So Diana

49:24

ended up just, as I said, going

49:26

inside and kind of autopilot. She like

49:28

just went and started doing things around

49:30

the house. She

49:33

later fled with Logan and Kelsey and

49:35

Kelsey son to go to this hotel

49:37

room and they left Tom's body in

49:39

the car at the house. At

49:42

some point, Logan went and disposed of Tom's phone

49:44

and rounded up a few of his buddies to

49:46

go with him to abandon the Mercedes in the

49:48

desert. He told Kelsey

49:51

and Diana he had lit the car on fire,

49:53

but clearly that didn't work out as planned. As

49:55

we said, there was evidence of a fire being

49:57

started, but it didn't catch. Diana,

50:00

Kelsey and Logan, and Kelsey's son all

50:02

stayed in this hotel room together until

50:05

Tom's body was discovered, and when they found out

50:07

it had been discovered, they immediately left and

50:09

went to a different motel. Then

50:12

they briefly stayed with friends before someone drove

50:14

them to California. Diana

50:16

said she eventually convinced Kelsey and Logan to let

50:18

her go back to Vegas and said that she

50:20

had a friend who could get her a job

50:22

without an ID. Kelsey

50:25

and Logan did let Diana go back, but they

50:27

warned her that they would be watching her, but

50:30

Diana really didn't care. She immediately turned herself

50:32

into the police and told them her story

50:34

as soon as she got back to Vegas.

50:38

Diana agreed to testify in front of a grand

50:40

jury, and then she pleaded guilty to being an

50:42

accessory to murder. She

50:44

was released on her own recognizance, but

50:47

she faced up to five years in prison. Her

50:50

fate wouldn't end up being decided though until after

50:52

Kelsey and Logan went through the court system.

50:55

Logan was arrested at his mom's house in Las Vegas

50:57

on April 17th. He

50:59

pleaded not guilty to all charges. During

51:02

his arraignment, he flashed Kelsey a note that read,

51:05

this is just, just know I'm

51:07

rolling my eyes as I say this, love

51:09

you, low mama. The

51:12

important things. Very, yeah, obviously. But

51:16

in June of 2022, Logan has a

51:18

change of heart and pleaded guilty to

51:20

second degree murder with a deadly weapon

51:22

and conspiracy to commit murder. He

51:25

was sentenced to serve between 18 to 45 years in prison. Logan's

51:29

attorney placed the blame on Kelsey and said

51:31

she was a master manipulator and Logan stood

51:34

no chance against her tactics because he was

51:36

in love with her. They

51:38

called the murder a crime of passion. In

51:41

November of 2022, Kelsey entered an Alfred

51:43

plea to second degree murder, which means

51:45

she admitted that there was enough evidence

51:47

to prove that she was guilty, but

51:49

she wasn't going to admit her guilt.

51:52

She ended up being sentenced to serve 10 to 25 years in

51:54

prison. By

51:56

this time, Kelsey had given birth to the baby she

51:58

was pregnant with when she was first arrested. Prosecutors

52:02

said Kelsey had instructed Logan to attack Tom and

52:04

then after he was dead, they left him to

52:06

rat in the car that he paid for. Furthermore,

52:10

after Kelsey was arrested, she had tried

52:12

to get a GoFundMe for legal expenses

52:15

and she was even in talks to be

52:17

on the prison drama. This is love after

52:20

lockup, but that's not true. It's

52:22

love during lockup. And Mandy,

52:24

I saw a clip, I found a clip, I

52:26

went to Reddit and they told me where

52:29

it was and I sent it to you. But

52:31

is love during lockup, did they have a whole

52:33

show of love during lockup? They also have,

52:35

yeah, they have life after lockup. There's so many

52:37

spinoffs. Wow, okay.

52:40

Oh my gosh. What a crazy connection

52:42

for you, Melissa. It really

52:44

was. But yeah, there is on the life

52:46

during the lockup, I did not like the

52:48

guy that she was apparently talking to, but

52:51

they bleep out her name because he literally

52:53

said, you can see him clearly say Kelsey

52:55

and who knows if this is all true,

52:57

but it would make sense. She was like,

53:00

she's looking at time for murder, but she

53:02

hasn't gotten sentence yet or whatever, but it's

53:04

definitely her. I'm glad they didn't give her

53:06

any camera time. So the defense said, quote,

53:09

I do wholeheartedly disagree with the state's

53:11

recitation of the facts. I

53:13

am, however, glad that Kelsey will have a

53:15

chance at rebuilding her life moving forward. I'm

53:17

also grateful for the closure for all parties

53:19

and quote, Tom's longtime

53:21

girlfriend Judy testified at the hearing and said

53:23

it was really hard for her to accept

53:26

the brutal way that Tom was killed in

53:28

February, 2023. Diana's sentencing

53:30

hearing was held and she was given

53:32

a sentence of probation, not to exceed

53:34

three years. She sat

53:37

down with 20, 20 for an interview and said

53:39

that when she saw Logan emerge from the garage

53:41

covered in blood, she had never been more scared

53:43

in her entire life. She

53:45

described it as just being a real life

53:47

terror and said that she turned around and started

53:50

washing dishes because it was the only thing

53:52

that she could do to calm herself down. She

53:55

said Kelsey was willing to kill Tom because he

53:57

was threatening to take everything away. Logan

54:00

is currently jailed in High Desert State

54:03

Prison while Kelsey is at the Florence

54:05

McClure Women's Correctional Center. Logan

54:07

also wrote a letter to ABC where he

54:09

pretty much continued to play the victim and

54:11

said that he wanted to help others that

54:14

were involved in similar situations. He wants to

54:16

show people that toxic love situations aren't always

54:18

what they seem, which I don't even know

54:20

what you mean by that. Are

54:22

they more toxic? Is that what you mean? That makes sense. But especially

54:24

in context of this whole story, I'm like, what do you mean by

54:26

that? Because

54:29

it seems pretty clear of what

54:32

toxic relationships can lead to. Absolutely.

54:34

Yeah, it seems pretty spot on. Right.

54:39

So that same month, ID series, The

54:41

Playboy Murders, which is the

54:43

show that Melissa and I were actually just

54:45

on an episode of, the same series, season

54:47

one, they released an episode about Tom's murder.

54:50

As I said, that's season one. It's episode

54:52

six, if you're interested in checking that out.

54:54

And it's so sad because it looks like

54:56

Judy and Tom had kind of come to

54:59

this point of cutting her

55:01

off and like letting leaving her to

55:03

her own devices. But something about it,

55:05

Tom just couldn't let go. So even him

55:07

going there to like check out if she's

55:09

telling the truth, I'm sure there was something

55:11

to that. But like for sure. But

55:14

also, I think he just he said it was

55:16

like heroin to him. So there was the connection

55:18

that he had with her that unfortunately,

55:20

you know, he took advantage of. And

55:24

for whatever reason, you know, you can people

55:26

can have their feelings on, you know, their

55:28

relationship as a whole. But Thomas,

55:31

obviously, as a human being, human

55:33

beings get attached emotionally to other

55:35

human beings. Kelsey had a young son,

55:37

you know, like that most he was

55:39

a child psychiatrist. Like you can't tell

55:41

me all that didn't play on his

55:43

psyche and pulled into like wanting to

55:45

help her, you know, and wanting to,

55:47

you know, through helping her would also

55:49

be helping her young son and helping

55:51

them have a better life. So you

55:53

can see where he would get emotionally

55:56

attached. He got emotionally attached to his

55:58

patients. You know, there's no way. he

56:00

wasn't like deeply emotionally attached to this

56:02

relationship with Kelsey and her son and feeling

56:04

that he was really doing something good in

56:06

their lives. And I truly believe that he

56:09

did think that and that that was, you

56:11

know, what kept him wanting to make

56:13

sure they were okay. I absolutely

56:15

agree with you 100%. So

56:18

Mandy, we have been talking about social

56:20

media and influencers. And for last thing,

56:22

before we go, I thought I would

56:24

ask you a few questions pertaining to

56:26

social media and wanted to see how

56:28

you would answer them. Yes. So these

56:31

are as of 2023, obviously no new stats in 2024. But Mandy,

56:33

almost how much of traffic on

56:39

Google comes from people looking for the

56:41

search term Google? Like

56:43

people go on Google and go on Google

56:45

and googling Google? Yes, ma'am, they

56:47

are. But you got to tell me how much 3.4%, 6.3%, 7.2%

56:49

or 8%. I'm

56:57

going to say it's high. I'm going to say it's 8%. And

56:59

then let me tell you the reason why I could be wrong. But

57:02

the reason I think that is because I sometimes will

57:04

just like open up my thing and you know, it

57:06

was already your homepage and then you just type in

57:08

Google. And so I think that's probably how it happens.

57:11

Exactly. When you were like, I don't know how that

57:13

happens. I'm like, I do it all the time. Yeah,

57:16

the answer is 7.2. But you're right. It is still

57:18

really high. It's crazy. Okay,

57:20

Mandy, this one's about Instagram. Which one of

57:22

these is not one of the top three

57:24

most popular foods on Instagram that are posted?

57:27

So is it which one's not sushi,

57:30

pizza, salad, steak?

57:33

Hmm. I feel like all

57:35

those get posted a lot. But I bet steak

57:37

is not one of the top actually salad. I

57:39

like that one seemed like I feel like I

57:41

see that one too much. I don't want to

57:44

see well me too. And especially in the world

57:46

of influencers, they're always like, look at this little

57:48

salad I'm eating. So I feel like I see

57:50

salads a lot. I see it too much. Yeah,

57:53

salad is the one that's not but I got it still up

57:55

there. Mandy, how many

57:57

new members join LinkedIn every

57:59

second? Whoa. Yeah,

58:02

I know.

58:05

Two, 12, 20, 22,

58:08

12. Okay, sorry, you're having a rough run here. But

58:10

two, but still the fact that

58:13

even one person joins a second kind of blew

58:15

my mind because it's

58:17

not my favorite place to be. It makes

58:19

me feel very unaccomplished and slightly dumb

58:22

on there. So I'm

58:25

there, but I'm not doing anything. Okay,

58:27

two more questions. Dwayne the

58:30

Rock Johnson has 242 million followers on Instagram.

58:34

How much would it cost for him to post

58:36

something on his Instagram, like for your business or

58:39

something? $700,000, $1.1 million, $1.5 million, $1.9 million. So

58:47

this is like if we were like, Hey, the Rock,

58:49

will you advertise Moms and Mysteries podcast for us? Like

58:52

how much would we make it on his square? How

58:54

much are his squares worth? I

58:56

gotta say a million. So was that one of the

58:58

choices? 1.5

59:01

million is what you mean, right? $1.5 million? $1.5

59:03

million. I know. I

59:08

know. And do you know what he

59:10

says after you buy it? You're

59:13

welcome. You

59:18

came up with that. All right. I definitely need $1.5

59:20

million. I know. Um,

59:23

okay. So the last one is the

59:25

most popular photo on Instagram, like ever

59:27

has 56 million likes.

59:30

What is this picture up? So it's got 56

59:32

million likes. Is it of the ocean, an egg,

59:35

a car, or Kim Kardashian?

59:38

It has to be

59:40

Kim Kardashian. I'm so glad I added that one

59:42

note with an egg. Oh, a

59:46

random egg. It's not like hatching or anything. It's

59:48

just like, um, I think it says, what's

59:50

it called when you do Ripley's, believe it

59:52

or not, not that one world record. It says like

59:55

world record egg or something. And I think that was

59:57

like the whole joke is like, can you get this

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egg? to be the most popular thing and

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people went along with it. 56 million. Wow.

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Good for the egg. I know it worked

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out well. They need, they need more than 1.5 million. So that's it.

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Great job. Wow. Okay,

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cool. Yeah. That was fun. All

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right, guys, that was the show for this week. Hope

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you enjoyed it. We will be back next week. Same

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time, same place, new story. Have

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a great week. Bye.