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A group of high school students.

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High school students Elizabethan High

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School students started a project to research.

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A string of unsolved murders.

0:09

Their research led to the identification

0:12

of the killer.

0:13

Investigators now have an answer to a

0:15

thirty four year old question.

0:17

Once you start getting a few tips, or a

0:19

few leads or few identifications,

0:23

then the cold case isn't so cold.

0:25

In any normal there's a pretty good chance he's still

0:27

alive.

0:28

Everything that the students predicted through

0:30

their profile turned out to be accurate.

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Redhead Killer profile mail Caucasian,

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five nine six, two

0:38

hundred and seventy pounds, unsable home, absent

0:40

father, and a domineering mother, right handed,

0:43

a Q above one hundred. Most likely heterosexual.

0:46

There is no profile of this

0:48

killer except for the ones the students

0:50

created. Just because some of these women

0:53

no longer have people to speak for them does not mean

0:55

that they deserve to not.

0:56

Be so anymore. What if this guy's still alive?

0:58

Like what becomes after us?

1:00

Consider it's gonna kill me?

1:01

Yeah, I'm

1:06

Alex Campbell, one of the hosts for Murder

1:08

What O What? And you're listening to episode

1:10

twelve Roundtable Update.

1:13

This is a.

1:13

Conversation with producer Andrew Arnaut

1:15

and myself about a recent discovery

1:18

on the case and a quick update to what my

1:20

students are up to.

1:21

Now, it's

1:24

a good thing you called, because I got the craziest

1:27

story you've ever heard. I just found out

1:29

something about that's related to this case. It'll

1:31

just boggle your mind. I don't even know everything about it.

1:33

I mean I literally just found out.

1:34

Minutes ago, but you're it.

1:36

I'm excited.

1:37

So at the end of July, the

1:40

TBI identified what

1:42

used to be called the Cheatham County Jane Doe

1:45

of nineteen eighty five, So

1:47

now we know she is Michelle Enman.

1:51

So that is a recent development.

1:54

And then I literally just found

1:56

this a few minutes ago. But

1:59

Michelle Weill Enman married

2:02

when she was fifteen a guy named Ricky

2:04

Lynn Kelly, which probably doesn't

2:07

mean much to you, and it wouldn't have been anything to me

2:09

until I just figured out who he was. So

2:12

he in nineteen seventy

2:15

eight was part

2:18

of a plot to blow up the Percy

2:20

Priest Dam, which is what holds

2:22

the.

2:22

River back in Nashville,

2:25

Tennessee. Oh wow,

2:27

one hundred and fifty.

2:28

Pounds of dynamite blew up the dam,

2:31

but it was not nearly.

2:33

Enough dynamite to make it fail.

2:35

But their plan was to flood

2:38

all of downtown Nashville. They thought they could kill

2:40

half the population of Nashville.

2:43

And their goal was to go round

2:45

after the destruction and loot all

2:47

these businesses downstairs, I mean downtown.

2:50

So they wanted to wipe out half of

2:53

the city just to loop buildings.

2:55

Yes, so they

2:58

blew up, you know, one hundred fifty pounds,

3:00

but that wasn't nearly enough. So they had already

3:02

acquired or they were trying to acquire six hundred

3:04

and fifty pounds, and they.

3:06

Were going to try to blow it up again.

3:08

But I think what happened I just read

3:10

this a second ago. I think one of the guys

3:13

tried to sell some of the dynamite.

3:16

It ended up being an undercover FBI agent

3:19

and anyway, so they got caught

3:21

before they blew it tried to blow it up again. So

3:24

at fifteen, that's who she married.

3:27

Wow, that's wild. Do

3:29

you know anything else about her?

3:31

Well, a little bit. So he went to prison

3:33

in nineteen seventy nine.

3:35

I'm still trying to figure out, you know, how long he was

3:37

in prison and all that, But it seems

3:39

like she was going by Munn

3:42

again after he went to prison,

3:44

So I don't know if the marriage was, you

3:46

know, like officially dissolved, divorced

3:48

or whatever. She ends up in a relationship

3:51

with this guy named Anthony Bradshaw, and

3:54

she actually went to see him when he was

3:56

in the Nashville County jail, and

3:59

she signed as missus Michelle

4:01

Bradshaw, even though they can't find

4:03

an official marriage document, so she.

4:06

Was probably posing as his wife so they would let her in,

4:08

Like she's about eighteen at this time.

4:10

Anyway, he must get out of jail,

4:14

I guess, And yeah,

4:16

he's probably out of jail. And in nineteen eighty

4:18

four, they were both charged

4:21

with extortion and obstruction of

4:23

justice against a guy.

4:25

So that's the last.

4:27

Thing we really have of her as December

4:29

nineteen eighty four. Her body

4:32

was found March thirty first, nineteen

4:34

eighty five, and she.

4:36

Had been dead for a while.

4:38

Let me see, Let's see if I

4:40

can find it out real quick, like how she had

4:42

been dead It was months probably,

4:46

Isn't that crazy?

4:48

Yeah, that's wild. It's weird

4:50

that a victim has their

4:52

own crazy criminal history.

4:55

Too.

4:56

It does, It really does. And

4:59

it's like that with some of the other victims

5:01

too. Anyway, she had been dead for

5:03

a while.

5:04

A long while, so she

5:07

probably I.

5:08

Don't really know, Like if

5:11

she says they were charged

5:13

with this obstruction of justice and

5:16

extortion in December

5:18

the eighteenth, nineteen eighty four, if she was

5:20

found on March thirty first, and

5:23

she had been dead for months, then

5:26

it wasn't much longer, much long

5:28

after December the eighteenth, nineteen eighty four

5:31

when she was charged with that crime, that she would have probably

5:34

gone missing and ended up dead.

5:37

Wow.

5:38

And so that's interesting now because

5:40

you know, she has a habit of

5:42

hanging out with some pretty unsavory characters,

5:45

and so what does that mean about

5:48

other people, you know, possibly

5:50

being involved. But also

5:52

interesting thing is Jerry Johns

5:55

he was in jail. So he was in jail

5:57

on March sixth for the attempt

5:59

to murder of Lyndon.

6:01

So they find her body while

6:03

he's in jail.

6:04

The TBI asked him they

6:06

had previously asked him have

6:09

you been where any of these women have been killed?

6:12

And Jerry John said, well, yeah, I've been where all

6:14

the bodies have been found. But I'm

6:16

a truck and I drive around a lot.

6:17

So that don't mean I did it. That was his response.

6:21

And then they go to him again after

6:23

they find this body and they say, well,

6:25

she would have died, you know a couple

6:27

months back.

6:29

Would you have been, you know, in the.

6:31

Nashville area where she was found at

6:33

the time that she would have been dumped

6:36

out? And he said, well, yeah, I was

6:38

there she about the time when she was dumped

6:40

out, but I didn't do it. Weird,

6:43

So, I mean, he admitted he was where everybody

6:46

was, and in this one case, he even admitted

6:48

that he was there when the body would have been dumped

6:50

out.

6:51

So wow, it's it's just a really crazy case,

6:53

you know.

6:54

Yeah, I mean it's just like the twists

6:57

and turns keep on coming. Huh.

6:58

There was another Cheatham

7:01

County Jane Doe in nineteen eighty one.

7:04

Michelle Enman was known as the Cheatham County

7:06

Jane Doe nineteen eighty five.

7:08

So there was.

7:08

Another one from eighty one that we

7:10

weren't really sure if she

7:13

kind of matched the mo the signature

7:16

of the Bible Belt strangler because

7:18

she was found a few miles away

7:20

from the interstate near

7:23

like a trash. I think

7:25

it was the landfill or something. There

7:28

were some hunters that were near that area that

7:30

found this body.

7:32

She was identified just.

7:33

Like the other day, August sixteenth,

7:36

So she was identified actually last month.

7:38

Yeah, so the Cheatham County. Before

7:41

we even began to.

7:41

Look at her case to see if she might

7:44

be related, because we had not heard about this

7:46

one until a few months ago. Anyway, they identified

7:48

her and she was a fifteen year old

7:51

named Linda Sue Corns, and

7:53

she was actually at a youth home and

7:56

she evidently had run away from the

7:58

youth home and then she was found

8:01

a.

8:01

Few miles away. She had

8:03

been dead for a while.

8:05

A matter of fact, they don't even

8:08

know exactly when she was

8:10

dead, when she was killed.

8:12

I mean, so do they think now that it's

8:15

related to Jerry John's.

8:16

Well, I don't know that

8:19

they're releasing nothing.

8:21

But this is the interesting part.

8:22

They just said, you know, an old before

8:25

even they identified her, they had said

8:28

they thought it was a murder. Now they

8:31

didn't say why, but that, but

8:34

that tells me that they just didn't find

8:36

like a bone lay out there.

8:38

Oh interesting, Well, I mean,

8:40

or does that tell you that they have a suspect

8:42

who's still alive, so they didn't want to release

8:45

anything.

8:45

I don't think.

8:46

So what I think is the

8:49

way her body was found, or

8:52

what was found with it, or you know,

8:54

something that was done to the body made

8:56

them think this wasn't an accident.

8:58

So that could be a lot of things.

9:00

That could be a ligature around her neck,

9:02

that could be a bullet hole, that could

9:04

be some type of you know, bunch

9:06

of broken bones, you know, something like that

9:08

that showed there was some type of violence that happened.

9:12

That's what I think it was.

9:13

You know, maybe she was found in a trash bag, you

9:15

know, something like that, where even

9:18

though she was severely decomposed,

9:20

that there would be something that would tell them

9:23

this was probably not an accident.

9:25

So that's the way I took it. Well.

9:26

They were saying it was most likely,

9:29

you know, a suspected homicide, I think is

9:31

how they worded it. But they are asking

9:34

for help, you know, if anybody

9:37

you know recognizes her or anything like

9:39

that, remembered anything, to

9:41

let them know. But the interesting

9:43

part is in the TBI press

9:46

release, they don't mention anything

9:48

about where she lived, where she was from,

9:50

where she was last seen.

9:52

I don't even think they gave her age.

9:54

So they say, oh, we really need your help identifying

9:56

this girl, and so if you remember anything

9:58

about this girl, here's her name, let.

10:00

Us know who.

10:02

But they didn't say anything about where she was living,

10:04

where she had been. So actually, dnasolves

10:07

dot com probably has done

10:09

the best job in getting

10:11

out information about her. They actually put a picture

10:13

out, which I don't even know if tv I did that. They

10:15

have a colored picture of her, and have

10:17

a lot of information about where

10:19

she was born, where she was living,

10:22

which a girl's home, she had actually been in.

10:25

Stuff like that.

10:26

That's really helpful information.

10:28

Yeah, I mean, that's the kind of thing that jogs people's memory.

10:31

Yeah, I mean people say, oh yeah, I grew

10:33

up there, Oh yeah, I remember the youth home we lived

10:36

down the road. And that's the kind of thing that helps

10:38

people. So I was a little surprised when they didn't

10:40

release Well, maybe I wasn't surprised.

10:42

The TBI plays things.

10:44

Close to the best as far as an investigating

10:46

agency goes.

10:47

That's just kind of their pattern, So maybe I wasn't

10:49

super surprised.

10:50

But that is the kind of thing that helps to jog

10:53

people's memories. So I

10:55

hope the information is getting out in some way

10:58

to help people maybe remember or

11:00

something about that.

11:08

Let's stop here for a break. We'll be back in a moment.

11:22

Murder one oh one.

11:24

What happened was Tennessee

11:27

the Tensity grow Up Investigations got

11:29

a grant of one hundred thousand

11:31

dollars and this grant was

11:34

to do genetic genealogies. So

11:36

I think that was enough money to do eleven

11:39

Jane or John.

11:40

Doe's in the state.

11:42

So they have been submitting these and

11:44

I think they've gotten four of those

11:46

back and actually figured out who they are.

11:48

I think two were men and then these two women

11:50

here.

11:51

So as far as the

11:53

victims related to that we feel are

11:56

related to our case, all the ones

11:58

in the state of Tennessee have now been a There

12:02

is one more known as the

12:04

Robertson County chain Doe.

12:06

Again, that's what we just found out about.

12:09

Robertson County is the county right beside Cheatham

12:11

County. These are all kind of around Nashville.

12:14

They all have a.

12:15

Major interstate, a different major interstate

12:17

that runs through them, and all of these bodies

12:19

were found in a close proximity to the interstate.

12:22

Linda Sukarn. She was found a few miles away

12:24

from the interstate. The other two were found

12:26

right on the interstate. So we

12:28

are very interested in the Robertson County Jaine

12:31

Doe.

12:31

But again we haven't really begun to even

12:33

go through that, and there's a few

12:35

reasons why.

12:36

I spoke with a detective in charge of that case,

12:39

and he said that they originally

12:41

thought it was a female, but now

12:44

after some testing, they had been told

12:46

it was a male.

12:47

Because it was only like parts of the skull

12:49

and parts of bones.

12:51

Right, it's a lot harder to identify.

12:53

But when I looked online, it

12:55

actually said that they had originally thought it

12:57

was a man and now they

13:01

after some testing, they thought it was a woman.

13:03

And when I told him that, he said, wow, like

13:06

I always thought it was the other way, So he wasn't

13:08

even aware that right now they were

13:10

saying this was a female.

13:12

So the only way to.

13:13

Really clear this up is to work

13:15

with the anthropology department at

13:17

the University of Tennessee. They have her body,

13:20

and so they actually have the name of

13:22

the doctor who's in charge of that case. He

13:24

said when if he got time, he would try to contact

13:26

them. I told him I would do it. He said,

13:29

if you want to try it. So I actually

13:31

have emailed multiple times and called

13:33

multiple times to both the doctor

13:36

and the secretary who's in charge of that

13:38

department, and I have gotten zero response

13:40

from any of the people who are supposed to be.

13:42

In charge of that.

13:43

Interesting.

13:44

I mean, I can't even get anybody to answer the phone or anything.

13:46

So I was also told that that was not unusual.

13:49

There's other people that have tried to work with them, and

13:52

they say sometimes it's just nearly impossible

13:55

to get somebody to answer back.

13:57

So we don't even know if that's

13:59

a male or a female, but.

14:00

It appears that it's actually a

14:02

female, so we need to investigate

14:04

a little more in that case.

14:06

And this is even more if

14:09

this is possible.

14:10

It's even more outlandish

14:12

than the last one. Is that one

14:15

of the surviving victims

14:17

sent me some newspaper

14:20

clippings that she started to keep

14:22

after she was attacked, and she

14:24

actually had a

14:27

case there from Cock County, Tennessee.

14:30

So she actually had

14:33

this newspaper.

14:33

Clipping and it said that

14:35

they had found a redheaded

14:38

victim beside the interstate

14:40

there, and so I

14:43

couldn't find anything on it.

14:46

It had been months and months, and

14:48

they actually the end the story it said they thought it

14:50

was a woman who was missing from Cock County,

14:53

but they checked the general records

14:55

and it was not her. So

14:58

they didn't know who this person was. And it

15:00

was the sheriff speaking to the newspaper

15:03

in this story. So I couldn't

15:05

find her as far as like a Jane

15:07

Doe or anything. So I called the

15:09

sheriff and the sheriff said he had

15:11

never heard of this.

15:13

So he said he would.

15:14

Check around, he would talk to some people, he'd look, and

15:16

he said that they didn't have anything on this

15:18

in their records, which is

15:21

unusual.

15:22

Caught County is a very rural county.

15:24

They probably averaged about one murder a year, and

15:26

they have a dead person beside the road,

15:29

and they had.

15:30

Her for going on a year.

15:33

They had been checking dental records.

15:35

I mean, there's stories in the newspaper about it, and

15:37

yet there's no record at the sheriff's office.

15:40

So anyway, he's been helpful. The sheriff.

15:42

He tried to contact, I

15:44

believe like the chief deputy at the time, and

15:46

he was trying to get a hold of him to see

15:49

if he knew anything about it, but

15:51

he said he was having difficulty contacting

15:53

him. And so there's another

15:56

redheaded victim found

15:58

beside an interstate in East Tennessee at

16:01

about the right time.

16:02

However, there's no record

16:04

of this murder.

16:05

And so the thing that gets

16:07

me is in America just a

16:09

few decades ago, you could be murdered

16:12

and there would be no evidence

16:14

of it a few decades later, Like, I don't understand how

16:16

that happens.

16:17

Yeah, that doesn't really make

16:19

any sense.

16:21

Little sensing was when I talked to some detectives

16:23

down there, he said, well, that's crazy, you know,

16:25

And I sent him that. He said, can you send me the newspaper

16:28

story, I said, Steord, so send it to

16:30

him. And he said that he had never heard

16:32

of that either. He would look into it. And he

16:34

said that what you know, an older cop or somebody

16:37

had talked to told him is they

16:39

thought this person was actually

16:41

that it's near the state line with North Carolina,

16:44

and actually she was found like on two

16:46

miles.

16:47

Or something from the state line, so it's pretty close.

16:49

And he said that what he was told was that

16:51

they believed that she was

16:53

from the North Carolina side, and

16:55

the murder happened there, and you

16:58

know, she was probably dumped on their side. But

17:00

when I called, there's only three

17:02

agencies that would really be kind of close

17:05

on the North Carolina side. I called

17:08

every one of them and talk

17:10

to the most likely one, the one that's right across

17:12

the border, and she said

17:14

that she didn't have anything on it either. And

17:17

she told me, she actually took

17:19

the time to explain to me, that's not how it

17:21

works. She said, you don't find a dead

17:23

body in your county and then figure

17:26

out that maybe you know they were killed in another county,

17:28

but you don't have any records. You would

17:30

still have the record of finding the body

17:32

who investigated it, you know what they

17:34

did. And then even if you did

17:37

believe it happened in another city

17:39

or another county or another state, that you

17:41

would put something in there that you know, this

17:43

is now going to be handled by you know, another

17:46

agency, but like those records wouldn't disappear.

17:49

That's awfully suspicious.

17:51

Yes, And so that's when I called. I said,

17:53

I'm just going to call the sheriff.

17:55

It's so funny that our school

17:57

resource officer here at the time when

17:59

he went to the academy. Actually,

18:01

the sheriff from that county was

18:03

one of his training officers, and I was

18:05

just talking to the resource officer about it, and he said,

18:08

man, he's a really nice guy. He said,

18:10

you know, I think if you called him, he'd probably talked

18:12

to you.

18:13

So he has been he's been very nice. He's tried to help.

18:15

But it's just it's interesting that

18:17

there's no records even,

18:20

I mean, where's the body's toward, you

18:22

know what, like they were comparing

18:24

dental records.

18:25

The sheriff at that time knew about it. Of course he's dead

18:27

now.

18:28

Yeah, so clearly they have to have something.

18:31

Yeah, And so I asked him, I said, where do you think

18:33

the body is? And he said

18:35

he assumed that it was at the

18:37

University of Tennessee Anthropology Center

18:40

because that's where all those bodies went. And

18:43

of course we're never going to get an answer

18:45

from them about if they even have the body.

18:47

And this all goes back to what a

18:49

TBI detective who worked on the Redhead

18:52

murders case back in the eighties told me, or

18:55

Shane Waters, when we were looking into this month

18:57

years ago now five six years ago. He

18:59

said, there's other victims out there

19:01

and you will never find them, because

19:04

he said he experienced that as a detective

19:07

and he said, you'll just you're.

19:09

Just never gonna find them. So this

19:11

is maybe just one of those examples.

19:21

Let's stop here for another quick break

19:34

murder one on one.

19:36

I wonder if you do you have any of those students

19:38

who worked on the original project who

19:41

were at the university, and they can

19:43

go check show up in person. I feel like that's

19:45

the only way sometimes to get answers.

19:47

I actually have a student who

19:50

was on that that case. She might

19:52

have even been interviewed for the show, but

19:54

yeah, I think you did. And she's down there, and I need

19:57

to reach out to her because she's

19:59

down there and she's she's a she's a very

20:01

confident, she's a wonderful young lady. I

20:03

could just see her going down there and saying, Hey, we need to

20:05

have a talk.

20:06

You know, what's going on with the girls. What's going

20:08

on with you since you know, since

20:10

we've last chatted.

20:12

So the girls are well. Riley.

20:14

I think people know that she was injured over

20:17

the summer, very sadly in basketball

20:19

camp, so she's probably not gonna be able

20:21

to play any basketball this year man

20:24

and this was her senior year. You know, she was really

20:26

looking forward to that. And I know that's

20:29

troubling. That's that's hard on a young

20:31

lady. You know, she's she's doing a lot

20:33

of studies at home, she's got a lot of do enrollment

20:35

classes and things like that. So but

20:37

the girls are doing good, you know, and they're just their

20:39

senior year and they're making good grades and they're doing

20:42

all that. You know, I do have my sociology

20:44

class back, and we are doing some really

20:46

good work. The first part of

20:48

the work was really just

20:51

to look at Jerry John's and research

20:54

to see, you know, if he did kill

20:57

all these women, then that makes him a

20:59

serial killer, and it also makes him

21:01

probably an organized serial killer. And

21:04

they have a for example, they have

21:06

a family history, they're going to have a job history

21:08

that kind of fits this this mold. And

21:11

so the first part they did was we have

21:13

about six detectives who

21:15

are working with us and they

21:17

have agreed to be kind of like mentors.

21:19

To the students.

21:20

And so the groups actually looked at

21:22

the different parts. For example,

21:25

you would have to have to be a serial coller, you have to have antisocial

21:28

personality, disorder.

21:29

To be an organized killer, you're going to have.

21:30

A certain type of family history, you will be a narcissist,

21:33

those type things. So in order

21:35

to keep Jerry Johns as the prime

21:37

suspect, we needed to get information

21:40

back from detectives if they agreed with

21:42

us that he did fit all

21:44

these things he would need.

21:45

To fit to be the Bible Belt strangler.

21:47

And the detectives after

21:50

the presentation agreed that

21:52

yes, the students had found plenty

21:54

of evidence to convince them that he did

21:56

have antisocial personality disorder,

21:59

he did have the family history of a serial killer,

22:01

he did have narcissistic personality disorder,

22:04

et cetera.

22:05

So that was the first part.

22:06

The part we're doing now because

22:08

we're still working with Scott Barker, who's now

22:10

the retired FBI behavior analyst,

22:13

and he told us that he wanted to

22:15

see the victimology, so basically,

22:18

look at the victims. When you look at

22:20

the victims, that should leads you to things

22:22

like a timeline, geography,

22:25

historical time periods, and culture.

22:28

And so right now the students are

22:30

going to be presenting that here in about a week

22:32

or so to the detectives

22:34

again to see if

22:37

it does appear that the victimology

22:40

would link him to all of these

22:42

victims. So then the

22:44

third part, which they'll be working on for like

22:46

the next month, like octoberish,

22:49

is we saw some cases

22:51

where billboards helped

22:53

solve some very cold, you

22:56

know, murders, and you're probably familiar

22:58

many people familiar with those. So

23:01

one case in particular was a father

23:04

whose daughter was killed and

23:06

you know, it had gone cold, and they tried to do

23:08

everything they could do. And so he actually

23:10

went to a billboard company and said,

23:12

let me tell you about my daughter.

23:14

Let me tell you about the promise I made to her.

23:16

And I told him even if the cops couldn't

23:18

keep going or didn't have the resources like I

23:21

was going to continue. And so he says, look,

23:23

we do have a drawing of a person

23:25

that we think could be involved, and

23:27

maybe a vehicle.

23:29

So he said, you know, could.

23:30

I buy a billboard and

23:32

just put the person the drawing

23:35

and then maybe like this car and just see if

23:37

we get any hits.

23:37

And I'd like to know how much a billboard is.

23:40

And so the company said,

23:42

you can't buy a billboard from us, but we will

23:44

donate one. And I think this

23:46

case was actually like in the

23:48

Midwest, like Kansas or Oklahoma or something.

23:51

Can you believe the guy was living

23:53

in like Connecticut or something. And somebody

23:56

saw the billboard and said, hey, I think I know that

23:58

guy, and sure enough they saw the case. This

24:00

is kind of a famous case. The girl was killed

24:03

as she worked at a swimming pool. Ali Kemp,

24:06

that was her name. So Ali Kemp was

24:08

the one who was who was killed.

24:10

And her dad was Roger and

24:12

let's see they were.

24:14

She was in Kansas.

24:17

She was in Kansas.

24:18

So anyway, the students saw

24:20

it and they said, mister Campbell, has there

24:22

ever been any billboards or anything to

24:25

try to help generate some interest or And

24:27

I was like, you know what, far as

24:29

I know, there never has been. And

24:32

I said, look, I don't think that's ever been

24:34

tried. And so they

24:36

said, can you get us a meeting with a billboard

24:39

executive or something, and so

24:41

I said.

24:42

Let's try it.

24:43

So I reached out to a billboard company,

24:45

a national billboard company who does have billboards

24:48

in all the areas.

24:49

Where the victims were

24:51

found.

24:52

And so they're going to be presenting to

24:55

some executives from the billboard company and

24:57

they're going to be telling.

24:58

The story of their victims.

25:01

So just like the father said, let

25:03

me tell you a story about my daughter and

25:05

what happened. What I wanted

25:07

the students to learn from that was

25:10

that these women, although many of

25:12

them had difficult lives, and

25:15

they were, you know, involved

25:17

in a lifestyle at the time that

25:20

obviously was difficult and maybe

25:22

contributed.

25:23

To the difficult situation they were

25:25

being put in.

25:26

They were somebody's kid, right, they

25:28

were somebody's mom. They had good times

25:30

in their life. This was the low point of their life,

25:32

I'm sure. And so they said, mister

25:34

Campbell, we would like to just present about who these

25:36

women are. That although

25:39

yes they might have been a runaway, or yes,

25:41

they might have struggled with addiction, or yes they might

25:43

have been in sex trade, these were still

25:45

women. These were still children,

25:47

some of them young women, and they still

25:50

have people that loved them. So I

25:52

said, sure, I'll call an executive

25:54

and we'll get in the room and I'll

25:57

let you tell them about your victims. And you know what, if

25:59

they say a billboard maybe,

26:01

or a reduced price on a billboard or

26:04

something, we'll just see what happens.

26:06

So they're gonna be telling that story

26:08

to those executives here in about another

26:10

month or so.

26:11

I think that's a terrific idea.

26:13

Yeah, so I'm they're excited about it. I

26:16

think if one thing teenagers get, it's kind of like being

26:18

judged and being I mean, you know, because

26:20

you know, there's a lot of peer pressure and social

26:23

media these days and friends in school, and they're

26:25

judged on a lot of things looks.

26:26

And hairstyle and cars and how they talk.

26:28

And I think they really get that

26:30

and that some of these women that they were

26:32

just judged.

26:33

I mean, well, the problem is they're frozen

26:35

in time. Right.

26:36

They were killed at the lowest point

26:38

of their life, and so because of that, they

26:40

never had a chance.

26:41

To recover or to get out of that lifestyle

26:44

and move on.

26:45

So they've been frozen in this time period where they

26:47

were at the low point of their life. And you

26:50

know, so that's how they're always going to be remembered.

26:52

For example, example, Lisa Nichols

26:55

when she was killed and they identified

26:57

her. This was in the eighties, and they went through the detectives

27:00

and they said.

27:01

Man, tell us who Lisa Nichols is.

27:03

And although Lisa Nichols had children and

27:06

brothers and sisters and mom and dad and all

27:08

this other stuff. The guy said, oh, we

27:10

know who Lisa Nichols is. She has the second

27:12

longest prostitution record in the state, and

27:14

that is kind of and another detective

27:16

said, to say she has a drug problem

27:19

is to.

27:19

Say, like my car has a gas problem.

27:21

So you know, the students see

27:24

these things, they understand how

27:26

they get labeled, and that's how they kind

27:28

of continue on.

27:30

But they wanted to show like the

27:32

totality of the person that they were.

27:34

So I'm excited about that work.

27:36

And then we plan, we

27:39

hope to present a

27:42

case. After Riley

27:44

and Marley presented to the

27:47

former assistant DA and the homicide

27:49

detective and stuff last spring,

27:52

they really felt the case that

27:54

Jerry Johns probably killed

27:57

Elizabeth Lamott the Green County Jane

27:59

Doo was really strong. They

28:02

felt that was maybe the strongest case because

28:05

of some of the evidence that we had uncovered. So

28:08

I think what we're going to try to do is present

28:10

that to somebody

28:13

who is in charge of that prosecution.

28:15

And all we can do is

28:18

present the evidence we have and

28:21

if they want to go back to the police and say

28:23

is this true, did you.

28:25

Really have that.

28:26

Can we look at this again, you know, at

28:28

least it's on them to do that.

28:31

So maybe something in the DA's.

28:33

Office, you know, in Green County that

28:35

that's what we're hoping to do.

28:37

Wow, that's amazing. You really

28:40

got a lot done, and these kids are working

28:42

on such like rewarding amazing

28:45

projects.

28:46

I agree, and that is so much better

28:48

than me standing up here talking about it.

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Murder one oh one. We hope you're

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enjoying season one. We asked

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that if you know anything that could help police

29:38

solve these cases, that you contact

29:41

the appropriate agencies with any information

29:43

you feel can help with their work to

29:45

bring justice to these women. And their families.

29:48

But we also asked that if you feel you can help

29:50

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you reach out to us with any of the following information.

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experiences with these victim that

30:00

could help us tell their stories as real people,

30:03

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30:05

or are even related to them. If

30:07

you can shed light on the investigations going

30:09

back to the nineteen eighties, then maybe

30:11

you worked with the cases such as a police officer,

30:14

or maybe you were a witness or even a journalist,

30:16

that would also be very helpful. And finally,

30:19

if you have any information on our suspect, maybe

30:21

you grew up with him, you were in the military

30:23

with him, incarcerated with him, or

30:26

maybe involved with him through law enforcement such

30:28

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