I was so honored to be interviewed on McCall's podcast Falling Into Soul: An Exploration of Inner Alchemy on the subject of Burnout & Soul Renewal, a subject near and dear to my heart. Having burned out 3 times in my life, I knew this would be a deep dive and it was! She graciously agreed for me to post it on my youtube channel and included it on my own Musitations podcast since this was the third in our series of soulversations.

In McCall's words for the episode:

In this episode, Michael DeMaria and I explore the rich, complex, and paradoxical themes of burnout and renewal central to our lives as empaths, recovering codependents (over givers) and creative types.

Speaking from our personal experiences with burnout and how-not-to-burn-out, Michael and I explore:

The importance of the soul (water, earth) in tempering the creative fire and air of spirit. How to honor and be in conversation with instead of pathologizing processes of the soul that feel dark, slow, and counter to creative productivity. Learning to differentiate between the ego being fed and the soul being fed through creative purpose. How to be who we are....sustainably I also share the story of how I burned out nine years ago on fulfilling my soul purpose, what I did to recover, and how I engage with purpose differently now.

You can find out more about McCall and her wonderful work and book, "The Other Side of The Mountain" on her website at: https://www.mccallerickson.com/ or her podcast at: https://mccallerickson.buzzsprout.com/1225844

Time Stamps:

00:00 Intro03:50 What is Burnout?08:15 How the Soul Keeps Us Balanced. 11:20 Burnout vs. Shamanic Death/Rebirth13:30 Inscendence vs Transcendence17:00 Moving from the Fear of the Darkness to Welcoming it15:30 Welcoming the Descents and Fallings into Soul22:30 Dark Nights and Going Insane24:50 What is Soul Sickness and What Nourishes the Soul25:15 The Answer is Within28:00 What feeds the soul?29:45 Discerning the Difference Between Feeding the Soul and Ego35:00 Becoming Whole39:50 The soul is not languaged40:40 When we let go over everything, everything supports us42:40 Selfish/Selfless Paradox - and becoming Soul-fish46:00 What is a soul initiation?49:00 Seeing the Soul as a Wise Stranger we share our lives with54:50 The Water of Life as an antidote to Burnout1:00:00 Improvisation, Unconsciousness and Soul Flow1:08:00 "He Plays Like A God" Story1:13:00 Finding Your One Thing!