In an effort to expose the true value of art, Michaell Magrutsche joins me in a two-part discovery of humanity and the confines of systems. 

Michaell is an outside the box thinker, and he understands that without creativity there are no man-made systems and there would be no world as we know it. 

Michaell presents a perspective on art outside of systems. This episode is a chance to contemplate the importance of art & creativity for the human potential. 

For more information on Michaell, his art, book publications, and podcast, be sure listen to the second part of the conversation in part two of this conversation.

Connect with Michaell:michaellm.com

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