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newstalk

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breakfast with keira kelly and

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shane coleman air

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refer

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patients

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to the tavistock clinic in the uk which

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provide psychological assessment on support

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for children with gender identity issues

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this comes despite a uk

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review finding the clinic was the

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leading young people at considerable

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risk of poor mental health and distress

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at the n h s has confirmed his

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will wind down services as

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at the clinic is due to close next year

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at doctors here at home have also

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raised concerns about the clinic at one

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of those is dr paul more a psychiatrist

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working with the national gender

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services a he joins us know

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at paul you raise concerns

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a back and twenty nineteen as

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fargo is twenty nineteen a to the h

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s e what were those concerns

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and wasn't anybody listening

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we have received sources of years

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about the top a stock we will see the

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children who the tower stock has recommend

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starting a hobo this at be

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very well the dot ready start

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hobo this evidence that to further harm

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we see that can help be very poor fab

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dropping out of school says harvey as

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heavy sauces problems as carry

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dss would study were completely idiotic

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was that this that this the same as

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the saudis of the hillary cast report down

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the he recounts report is a report that was

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it was done in the uk in entered

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at have a starts at you've heard the hate to

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see as what they had to see yesterday

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they said they are going to continue

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to refer patients add to that

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to the titanic what is your read response

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to the us i was shocked to hear

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that

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the heard doctor degree of say

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that she felt don't evidence that the to take

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was unsafe it was unbelievable

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the evidence is overwhelming but has there for years

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first of all the eternal review dr

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david failed was governor of the tavistock

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soda lose that use that he resides

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the to have a good deed because you actions taken

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that the cqc the care quality

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commission which commission about it overseas it

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overseas services

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this year to the top stopped a two

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thousand twenty was about the service

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started to be inadequate that

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of course the lucas support important

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thing though is that his way through media are just

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so far that hours of has been correct

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it is just about decentralized the service

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it sucked have you read the report it's about

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the safety of the service or particularly

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the lack of evidence for safety of

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these blocker drums of the be given this

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how to evidence of safety or benefits so

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benefits was shocked to hear that talk to the green is

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the way to continue so the irish

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showed it to this is a face it was evident

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squad it's it's it's their heads as he dead

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that that was do so a to still looking

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back on how to talk to any greens who is

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the national capital director for instigated care

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with the haters seats as he is said

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she said it has not been deemed safe if

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it was deemed safe are not safe

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is would have been closed immediately

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ah as he made the point of the tavistock

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will keep open for another year or so

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until the reasons views developed and you case

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as an increased number of people with skills to deliver

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the day care to those children who are so

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badly need see she also

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said that they did take on

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board was at

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the claims made by the likes of yourself

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and and she says we satisfy

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their cells the evidence wasn't there to support

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her we were hearing and we had no

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complaints from any patient or service

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user about this

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when i was surprised to hear her say

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that they took a boat was he said because

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we have been numerous representations

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which adopted answers were to as far

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as said he the with orders for the birth children out

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lady the problems that this was never addressed

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or discussed with us further

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when we did beat cobblers the answer

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three raised for a visit for the bit it's so

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the idea that a particular board concerns

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or photo evidence

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this is shocking that she's

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in the haters he say no complaints have

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been missing the family patients the hate to see

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our an outside tavistock st

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as well no no complaints received money based

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do you do you disagree with

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us

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i learned a position to the

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order complaints from patients or

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i would i could discuss it a little patience

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as coarseness know

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put put their argument is to have been

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any complaint is there is no is if there isn't any

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complaints is there a problem i suppose is the question

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were only do is that quid the complaints

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arise it usually takes a good of of years

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for example of the case of care about

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a decade

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for the problems caused

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by this approach the birds

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so if there are going to be problems

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we will see the vs because he chills are still

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quite your it's too early for would realize

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that the was ever be able to have families have

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health problems that

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to be help you creepers eat

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or i saw you causes in the sunday

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and have had the same the to hate as he is ideologically

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committed to home on base a care

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for children which is wrong and unsafe

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given growing concerns about puberty blockers

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where is the evidence that the haters he

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is so ideologically committed

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well be

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you could have critics are be closed out

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across europe in ,

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is sweet is it fizzled though the uk

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uk we have brought the seas had should have pages

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eat up there is a h dash consensus that

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this expendable country put his have selected

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but they appear to be completely computers

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are really there you're very was

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it suits by activist groups that they

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are very close

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okay what would you like to see out you're calling

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for an independent investigation

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i think so i treated as it stays the

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people who pay to see other able to

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that's to get the road the stakes are

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likely got the department of health should

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investigate what is happening first

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as yesterday quite as widows that they will be

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bothering this situation closely

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these cases closely i would require up

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about it or the process of past ten years

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i'm sure they would say they have been modernism

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i think they said that every a patient

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who had been referred would have been assessed

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by psychiatrists in on it

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well i can't confirmed

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that i wouldn't have it's they should about all those

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patients but turkey the ones that we have seen

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have had very little athletic assessments

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these are people who graduated the out of service as

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the of it is very clear to us that

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the

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this with dot on the other time started reapers

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were paltry okay longer term

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to finally would you like to see a service

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established here as to

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add to to to deal with these terms with

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with with children certainly so we duty to

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provide services he showed of but it

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should be in line with the regular basis

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of the hillary cast reports at a deed

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we have made a proposal to the he to see

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that we could work with about this we suggested

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that result both to dash agenda service

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could start extended out or care for

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younger teens as of the evidence becomes

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available to treat your

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the team however for

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young children preapproved who says it should

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not be specialist medical service or

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this be given support israel to beauty

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services are particularly the

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other cobalt problems is that health issues

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etc should be given

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okay okay i think to be hurt

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issue savant in the rain a yes he

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did say that those services are available

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to the very very briefly and finally are

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you surprised that there's been no political reaction

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to m is the reports

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in the sunday independent your your comments

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the tavistock reporters been tavistock deafening

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silence from all parties across

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the dog does that surprises

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it doesn't surprise me this issue

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has become toxic politically

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because of a lot of activism

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and i think many people are afraid to speak

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girls of that has

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sort visitations

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i'll just leave

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there paul morin a psychiatrist

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working with the national gender services thank you for

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