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agency special. It's
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just after 5 30 p.m. Eastern
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yo. Making the magic happen. A
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brand new intro super producer, JD. Hello.
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There he is. And our guy, Ash, is
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also in the factory helping us keep track
3:42
of everything. What's up, Ash? How
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y'all doing? We're great. Hey, you
3:47
see something, you say something. Yes sir.
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Okay. It's like a
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unattended bag in an airport. You
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see something, say something. Yeah. Ash will
3:57
be helping us out here as we build up to the
3:59
six o'clock. Eastern
4:01
launch of NBA free agency.
4:03
That's when teams can begin
4:06
negotiating at 6 p.m.
4:08
Eastern tonight. They haven't spoken yet.
4:10
No, no. There's been plenty
4:13
of news here in the lead up. LeBron
4:15
intends to opt out of his $51.4 million player
4:19
option for next season, though he's
4:21
expected to return to LA on a new deal.
4:23
The Warriors are preparing to lose Clay Thompson. We'll
4:26
get into that. But let's start with
4:28
Paul George. Paul George, a hot
4:30
name today. He has opted out of the
4:32
final year of his contract with the Clippers,
4:35
and he will become an unrestricted free agent.
4:37
He plans to set up meetings with the
4:39
Philadelphia 76ers, the Orlando
4:41
Magic, and the Clippers tonight,
4:45
and I guess tomorrow, maybe a little Monday
4:47
meeting. Who's getting the Monday meeting? Who's
4:49
sloppy seconds or thirds even? I mean, okay,
4:51
so we've heard of some reports that perhaps
4:53
Paul George is gonna be inking a deal
4:56
with the Philadelphia 76ers. So
4:58
maybe the Clippers is the last one to let
5:00
them down. Say goodbye one last time. I'll see
5:02
you on the East Coast. My family can move
5:04
there. Yeah, we did
5:06
have a Bleacher Reports. Chris Haines
5:08
tweeting about an hour ago that
5:11
there's growing optimism. The 76ers will
5:13
land Paul George in free agency.
5:16
You like the fit, Taz? If that does happen and
5:18
Paul George does leave LA, you like him in Philly?
5:20
It sure feels like Paul George is leaving. Do I
5:22
have inside information? Oh, no. No, I
5:24
do not. But after Kawhi Leonard
5:26
got that extension in January, nothing
5:29
has happened for Paul George who was his,
5:32
you know, who was co-pilot there. It was supposed to be a
5:34
one-two, he didn't get one. So it sure feels like, especially, you
5:37
know, this is the fun time to just
5:39
be skeptical of everything. On his podcast recently,
5:41
he gave lots of love to Pelle Bon
5:43
Caro. Lots of it. And so
5:45
he will be meeting with
5:47
Philly for sure and in Orlando, and I
5:50
guess he'll be meeting with Steve Ballmer, I mean,
5:52
I guess. I don't know, maybe they'll talk about
5:54
toilets in the new Intuit Dome. Who knows, but
5:56
he's not going back. Sorry, I never got a
5:58
chance to flush one. He's going back because
6:01
of the hang up on this fourth year right
6:03
they offered kawaii the extension for three years Seems
6:06
like they were sort of presenting Paul George similar
6:08
sort of framework But he's like I want that
6:10
fourth year Give me that fourth year which he
6:12
can sign with another team with cap space like
6:14
Philadelphia a four year 212 million
6:16
dollar contract that could happen at six o'clock
6:18
here. Yeah, definitely could right yeah, then that's
6:20
what it's about It's about the dollar dollar
6:22
bills. I think so with Paul George at
6:24
34 He's gonna get
6:26
four years from somebody and It
6:29
sure feels like Philly right now But
6:31
it feels like if you look back
6:33
at the indie days the okc days and now
6:35
the clipper days He's basically told all three teams
6:37
at some point. I'm retiring here During
6:43
this time when you're just refreshing every everything
6:45
on Twitter I saw I saw these
6:47
quotes when he was an indie my goal is to win
6:49
one here I never want to leave India he demanded a
6:51
trade a couple months later. Okay, see I'm
6:54
here to stay We can bring this thing home. Okay.
6:56
Yeah, obviously that did not happen now. He wanted to
6:58
go to the LA Which
7:00
then he said this is where my heart is. I want
7:02
to retire a clipper So
7:04
he's leaving You
7:10
you believe this Paul George is gonna go to Philly
7:12
and let's talk about the fit a little bit Do
7:14
you like it? I mean he'd be a third option
7:16
an expensive third option, but an expensive third option But
7:18
the great thing with Paul George is sometimes he can
7:21
be a first option for you Sometimes he can be
7:23
a second option for you And when and beat is
7:25
cooking when maxi is cooking he can be the third
7:27
option for you That's the awesome thing about Paul George
7:29
is he's such a plug-and-play guy. He can play off
7:32
the ball He can play with the ball. He shoots
7:34
threes. He plays defense if he's not
7:36
necessarily the lockdown guy He was right way
7:38
back in the indie days. He's still able
7:40
to guard his position on both sides So
7:42
yeah, of course he fits and he's the
7:44
biggest free agent out there. They're on a
7:46
ton of like high
7:49
priced Notable elite role players,
7:51
you know, like KCP is the guy that everybody
7:53
is chasing after from a role player perspective But
7:55
there aren't a lot of those guys for the
7:57
Sixers to be able to split up their whatever
8:00
$60 million in cap. So for them,
8:02
it might be a better move actually to spend the
8:04
majority of it on Paul George, bring back the good
8:06
guys that you have on your team like Batoom
8:09
probably will be coming back. I assume Melton
8:11
will probably come back as well. I think
8:14
that's smarter than trying to split it amongst
8:17
these role players who aren't really gonna raise
8:19
your ceiling because the Knicks got better. But
8:22
I think that this makes the 76ers at least
8:24
on par with the Knicks still behind the Celtics
8:26
though. And a lot of 76ers fans are like,
8:28
anybody's better than Tobias Harris. Well, yeah. That
8:31
as well. Massive up there. And he is still good. But
8:33
yeah, I think he's dropped off. Paul George has a little
8:35
bit defensively. Maybe he can sort of find that again and
8:37
lock in on that end. But yeah, they have $61.3 million
8:40
in cap space, Philadelphia
8:42
does. You've got the Pistons as one of these
8:44
teams with a lot of cap space as well.
8:46
They're over 50 million. And then the Magic have
8:48
basically cleared the perfect number, really 50 million to
8:51
maybe make a play at Paul George. Sort
8:54
of cool they're even in the conversation. I
8:56
don't think they'll land him. I think he would ultimately
8:58
pick Philly. But that's good for this team
9:01
that obviously not too long ago was one
9:03
of the worst in the league. And they're
9:05
building on something here. Do you think it's
9:07
good to be used for leverage? I mean, I
9:10
remember when people were saying the same about the
9:12
Suns getting a meeting with LaMarcus Aldridge. True, true.
9:16
Look, it's good to get a meeting. Yeah, it is. It
9:18
is. Because you're taking at least somewhat seriously. Even
9:21
considering, I will use some of my
9:23
time, my precious time to come
9:26
and meet with you or you'll come meet me with me. I
9:28
guess the positive for an Orlando or like
9:30
in Indiana when we talk about Pascal Siakam
9:32
is that they're part of the
9:34
conversation. That's what it is about. And
9:37
that's why Paul George jumped into this situation
9:40
here to try and get as much money as
9:42
possible. I mean, this is what it's all about
9:44
for him. So this will be his last
9:46
big payday. Yeah. And he's going to keep Embiid
9:49
there for several years. I think this sort of
9:51
locks in Embiid into Philadelphia for
9:53
more years. Just because Miami just signed Bayman
9:55
by a gang owner. So
9:58
I don't know. They're going to, this is a... The
10:00
best tube man that they've had since Jimmy Butler
10:02
has been several years So
10:05
this is a good shot for them. Oh interesting. So
10:07
you think if Paul George goes to Philly? Let's say
10:09
signs. Yeah at six or whatever in the coming days
10:12
You think of the team and bead one Paul George to
10:14
ahead of maxi To
10:18
a to be between those two guys Maxi
10:20
obviously took a jump. Yes could continue to get
10:23
better. They're co they're co-co pilots
10:31
Your brother's a pilot how many seats are
10:33
up there we got Okay,
10:36
there's only two yeah, too. Well to
10:38
the old school was two plus a navigator,
10:40
right? Everybody's
10:46
jobs. Well, this is an old this
10:48
is an old-school airplane Okay,
10:50
Ash is coming into the cockpit. You got
10:52
something to say what you got from shams
10:56
Golden State is waving Chris Paul. Okay, and he
10:58
will become a free agent He's
11:01
waved Wow Okay, so they don't
11:03
want to guarantee that money Nope, obviously and
11:05
they trade for it couldn't find a trade
11:07
for ya at 30 mil and we learned
11:10
today That you know from
11:12
reputable sources that there was potentially a Paul
11:14
George to the Warriors deal the
11:16
framework was there and I
11:18
believe it was gonna be for like a Wiggins
11:20
or Chris Paul obviously that contract maybe one of
11:22
the young guys a kamigah or a Moody maybe
11:25
even a first-round pick from the Warriors to the
11:27
clips for Paul George and that was shot
11:29
down Not happening why because
11:31
the Warriors don't want to give up all that stuff for
11:33
Paul George I think it was more from the other side
11:35
of things I'm not sure the Clippers were
11:38
all that eager to help obviously a state
11:40
rifle there though You could lose them for
11:42
it. Absolutely. Not yeah is the issue, but
11:44
that was being kicked around Yeah, and the
11:46
opt-out was when it was over. Yes, right
11:49
for The
11:51
Warriors. So yeah, I guess um, we
11:53
also you know, we're gonna get into it in a little bit
11:55
here The Warriors are saying that they're gonna probably be losing out
11:57
on clay Thompson It's probably gonna go elsewhere because they They
12:00
wanted to address other things before
12:02
coming to Clay's free agency. One of those things seemed
12:04
like it was going to be Paul George, but
12:07
we heard earlier today that after he opted out
12:09
of his contract that they were going to be
12:11
bowing out basically of the Paul George sweepstakes, the
12:14
Warriors aren't going to be good next year. They're
12:16
going to have Chris Paul, or I mean Steph Curry. They're
12:19
going to have Draymond Green will still be there. Kaminga,
12:21
third leading scorer probably. The Gensy. Those
12:24
guys are like year four and year two. This
12:28
might be another play in appearance for a Golden State.
12:30
They wanted to get better via trade. That's for sure. They
12:32
pushed back this Chris Paul have to approve
12:35
it by two days and the day is
12:37
up now. They
12:39
talked about Andrew Wiggins
12:41
playing for Canada this summer
12:44
and they talked about it. I assume with
12:46
his agent, they couldn't demand that he doesn't
12:48
play with Canada, but they recommended it and
12:50
he's not. That was
12:52
definitely a part of it. Maybe Wiggins can go now. I
12:55
don't know. This trade fell through. Good point.
12:58
Go ahead, Wiggins. You're fine. Because there
13:00
was concern obviously you go to training camp, you
13:02
could get injured. That obviously tanks your already pretty
13:04
rough trade value as it is. We
13:07
don't want you doing that. Obviously a lot of Canadian
13:09
basketball fans were pretty upset with this. Like, hey, you
13:11
can't do that. Yeah, trade brings up a good point.
13:14
It's Steph, it's
13:16
now Wiggins and Draymond Green as your top
13:19
three. Beyond that, because
13:21
we don't know what's going on with clay.
13:23
Beyond that, it's a lot of role
13:26
players. Obviously Kuminga has
13:29
a lot of potential. But beyond that, it's Gary
13:31
Payton the second and guys like that. Yeah, let's
13:34
get into the clay of it all. It
13:37
feels like there's like eight reports that he's gone. It's
13:39
absolutely done that he is going to believe.
13:41
We don't know where the
13:43
Lakers have been thrown out there. It could be
13:45
the Sixers as maybe a backup if Paul George
13:47
doesn't come to fruition. Obviously
13:50
the magic have been a team he's been sort of linked to
13:52
for a while. We went over it, they got the cap space,
13:54
they could make a move. Sort
13:57
of weird. It's sort of ending like this. I
14:00
sort of hated him being on him. I'm not really, of course,
14:02
not a Warriors fan, but it's like part
14:04
of that dynasty. And it's like, feels like
14:06
it's over and he will be going somewhere
14:08
because maybe he just feels
14:10
disrespected. The role obviously
14:13
was coming off the bench at times. Not that he
14:15
was good either. I mean, he struggled, but what do
14:17
you think about the Clay Thompson leaving the Warriors here?
14:19
It seems like it's gonna be about respect quite
14:21
honestly, because it seemed like last season, Clay was pretty
14:24
upset with the way things were going. He got benched
14:26
at one point, came into the starting lineup again
14:28
at one point, just wasn't quite the same player he
14:31
was. They paid a whole bunch of guys before
14:33
they got to Clay Thompson, Jordan Poole, Andrew
14:35
Wiggins, Draymond Green, all those guys got contracts
14:38
before Clay did. And now you look at the landscape
14:41
of where he's gonna go, probably not gonna be Philadelphia
14:43
since they're gonna spend the majority of their money on
14:46
Paul George. The rumors have been the
14:48
Lakers and the Dallas Mavericks have been, I think
14:50
the hottest ones today. And he's not gonna be
14:52
getting much more than the two for 48 that
14:55
he turned down before the season, right? Like
14:57
if he goes to the Lakers, he's playing for $13 million a year. He
15:00
could be taking a significant 50% pay cut, basically
15:03
on what the Warriors were gonna offer. So then at
15:05
that point, it's not even about dollars, it's about, I
15:08
was one of the legends here and he didn't
15:10
treat me like a legend, but Clay has not
15:12
been the same player as he was. And he
15:15
can probably more easily be the player
15:17
he needs to be at this point in his career somewhere away from
15:19
Golden State. And
15:21
the rumor was that he received an offer last summer
15:23
for an extension for two for 48, but
15:26
I guess that wasn't enough, because
15:29
I guess he wanted a long-term just to sort
15:31
of match up with others, what others were getting
15:33
in Draymond and Steph Curry. I
15:35
always think, does he wanna play
15:38
in a situation like Orlando where he would be perfect? They
15:40
need a guy at the
15:42
guard spot who can fire. But
15:45
he loves to be on a boat every day. You
15:47
know, Orlando is kind of landlocked. What
15:50
I watched yesterday was Clay Thompson
15:52
on his boat. Oh
15:54
man, what a beautiful day. He just talks
15:56
about how beautiful the day is, I
15:58
thought that was from yesterday. That's all you can
16:01
do on a boat. Yeah. It's really nice out
16:03
here. It's nice out here. It's either the fish
16:05
are biting or, man, it's nice out here. Yeah.
16:07
Yeah, that's really nice. And then he shows the other side. Oh,
16:09
look at that island. The island didn't look that great, I got
16:12
to be honest. But anyways, I thought that was from yesterday. I
16:14
thought he was kind of saying goodbye to Golden State, but going
16:16
through social media looks like it was an oldie. I
16:20
don't know why I need to report that,
16:22
but the report is Clay Thompson. It sure
16:24
feels like he's leaving. Yeah. But
16:26
as I said, those names just now, Trey
16:29
was going through as well. It's Dre, it's Steph.
16:32
There's not a lot of talent unless they
16:34
go get somebody else. And so that's the
16:37
scary part for the Warriors. Zach Levine, baby.
16:40
Zach Levine. That's being kicked around quite a bit,
16:42
like something the Warriors could try and do, at
16:45
least, to maybe get him. I mean, it's like,
16:48
if you still believe this is Stephanie, he's still in his
16:50
prime, and you have a chance if you have him, but
16:52
you need talent around him, it's like, it starts to get
16:54
down. OK, well, you can't get Paul George, or that's not
16:56
happening. So who's left? I mean, it's like Brandon Ingram, maybe.
16:58
Probably have to send out a bunch of draft capital to do
17:00
that, so you mortgage your future. Zach
17:02
Levine, you might get a pick back for Zach
17:04
Levine, but obviously, his contract and how he would
17:07
fit. I think Zach Levine would actually make more
17:09
sense if they had to pick between those two
17:11
guys, just how they currently are
17:13
constructed. But yeah, it's weird. Clay, it's
17:15
just going to be weird. I'm serious. That's going
17:17
to be a weird jersey swap to me. Him
17:19
in a Lakers uniform, him in a Magic uniform,
17:21
Mavericks uniform, that would be strange. The second best
17:23
guy often plays for a different team at the
17:25
end of a dynasty. You know?
17:28
Tony Parker did. Tim Duncan didn't.
17:30
Yeah. Michael Jordan never played for a different team
17:32
besides the Bulls, but how many teams has Scottie Pittman played for?
17:36
But it really is like a bad, bad look.
17:38
It's all about money. It's literally all about money.
17:40
The Warriors are kind of cheaping out on pay
17:42
and play, and they are cheaping out on using
17:44
their future picks and all these young guys they've
17:46
traded because they want to
17:48
protect their future going forward. But look at a team
17:50
like the Lakers. They don't care. The Bucks
17:53
have no future right now. The
17:56
Warriors have basically tried the two
17:58
timelines thing. It obviously didn't work. Bob
18:00
Myers decided to quit because it didn't work and now Mike
18:02
Dunleavy is kind of having to clean up the mess and
18:04
the mess Is breaking up the dynasty? Yeah, and I thought
18:06
how do they get back anywhere? It's
18:08
tough I feel like clay is gonna like take
18:10
a significant pay decrease and and go play for
18:13
the Lakers You know obviously family
18:15
ties a little bit there There's
18:17
a role for him and it
18:20
would be I'll be weird that like hey, man We
18:22
offered you way more money than this
18:24
but you are very dis you felt disrespected I guess and
18:26
want an opportunity and prove us wrong and stuff like that
18:28
If I had to pick right now, I do think he's gonna end up in a
18:31
Lakers uniform, which will be weird But
18:35
pretty fun when clay catches fire against the Warriors
18:37
in some game that we'll be watching on TNT
18:39
I'm sure playing game Eventually
18:42
that yes for sure these teams will
18:44
be battling anything else there on
18:46
clay Do you have a preference where you'd like to see him go Dallas? Orlando
18:51
LA some other team. Yeah be a part of
18:53
me is hey just play it out with Golden
18:55
State Although part of me is is
18:58
Orlando. They just needed somebody in the postseason
19:00
to really hit shots I mean really and
19:02
be comfortable taking them and have everything lined
19:04
up for that guy and Yes,
19:07
I know in in the playing game. He
19:10
was 0 for 10 and everybody ridiculed him
19:12
for being that But
19:16
he'll have that sort of same feeling that he had
19:18
when the good days were in Golden State where you
19:21
relied on with Orlando He's
19:23
supposed to be loved man Yeah,
19:26
it's like well, I mean different circumstances,
19:28
but like when Ray Allen left Boston
19:31
for Miami and there was like well, it's like felt
19:33
like there was like they were mad at us exactly
19:35
Yeah, and then they're mad at him for a decade.
19:38
Yeah, I know So
19:40
I don't know there's something there and I think Warriors fans
19:42
are probably conflicted a little bit Obviously, he's a legend. You
19:44
don't win a lot of these titles without him. You're not
19:46
even in half of them without him and So
19:49
there's that but then it's like well, come on, man
19:52
Well, you're gonna especially if it goes to like the
19:54
Lakers or something like that or even the Mavericks It's
19:56
like a team that's like really good or should be
19:58
good. That'd be a bad That'd be
20:00
tough. That'd be tough. I'd be conflicted if I was
20:02
warrior Sam I'd like to see him on okay see
20:04
or Dallas I think but it at that point he's
20:06
got to be willing to come off the bench and
20:08
that's gonna be a question Yeah, and it's similar to
20:10
very similar to Ray Allen I think leaving the Celtics
20:12
because when he went to Miami He
20:14
just became like our clutch three-point shooter our guy
20:16
who's waiting in the corner He wasn't a high
20:19
usage guy like he had been for
20:21
the Celtics and the Bucks and Sonics prior to that in
20:23
his career So he had to take a step back and
20:25
that's what clay Thompson is gonna have to do But couldn't
20:27
you see him hitting a monster shot in game six for
20:29
okc? Yeah Yeah, I'd rather
20:31
have him play for a competitive team like
20:33
the the Mavericks or the Thunder rather than
20:36
the Lakers or the Magic Okay Hey,
20:39
let's respect that magic fifth
20:41
place last year. They will have a better record than the
20:43
Lakers. I think Let's talk let's
20:45
talk about Lakers or anything else about clay because
20:47
we're getting I don't know about seven minutes away
20:49
from the official start Free agency
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20:56
sort of been busy here. Like
20:58
I said LeBron has opted out, so he's eyeing a new
21:00
deal with them They
21:02
also the Lakers came to an
21:05
agreement for year thirty two million dollar deal
21:07
with Max Christie So he
21:09
is going to stay that final year includes a
21:11
player option Daniel
21:13
Russell says he intends to opt in he's
21:15
staying with the Lakers Jackson Hayes exercised his
21:17
two point four million dollar play option He'll
21:19
return to the Lakers and Cam reddish exercised
21:21
his two point five million dollar player option
21:24
To return to the Lakers all these resignings bring
21:26
the Lakers roster to 15 players assuming they
21:28
keep LeBron So, you
21:31
know, they got like their roster. They would need to
21:33
consolidate guys in a trade to open up additional Russia
21:35
spots But anyway We
21:38
I will add that LeBron Reports say
21:41
hey, you know, I'm not signing
21:43
yet. Go get me some help be it
21:45
clay Thompson Jonas Valen Shunas, there
21:47
was one more name. I'm forgetting. It was
21:49
like a third guy. That was like a
21:51
possibility But point
21:53
is LeBron wants LeBron saying hey,
21:56
I'll maybe take James Harden James Harden that
21:58
hard it was but Shams reporting that James
22:00
James Harden signing a two year $70 million
22:02
contract to return to the Clippers. Okay. Shout
22:05
out to Mike Silverman, Troy Payne, and Brandon
22:07
Greer of Equity Sports. Oh Jesus. Shout
22:10
out to those guys. My least favorite thing
22:12
about free agency. We get the information from
22:14
one of the news breakers, and then we
22:17
got to show love to all the agents.
22:19
Mike, Troy, and Brandon. Thank you sir. Come
22:21
on down. But yeah,
22:23
I was honestly, I was surprised to see Jonas,
22:25
Val, and Jonas included in that list of players,
22:27
but the Lakers clearly need a
22:29
center next to Anthony Davis, and Val
22:32
and Jonas is kind of like the perfect guy. He
22:34
can play 30 minutes a night of
22:36
center, and then in the fourth quarter Anthony Davis can play
22:38
center to close out the games. I can see that working
22:40
there, but I find it hard to
22:42
believe that LeBron is taking a pay cut for
22:44
Jonas, Val and Jonas. Right, right. What
22:47
about Clay? Yeah, maybe. Yeah, okay. No offense, but
22:49
I find it hard to believe Jonas. I just
22:51
thought it was pay cut worthy. I think a
22:53
lot of people probably roll their eyes at LeBron
22:56
even considering taking a pay cut. Right. I
23:00
think he did it once way back in the heat days. The first year of Miami, that
23:02
you mean it was a different time, and
23:05
it wasn't much of a discount, right? It was literally-
23:07
No, it wasn't much. It wasn't much. In 2010, the
23:10
money was a lot different. Right. But
23:13
I would think that this would be the
23:15
year that LeBron would do something similar to
23:17
that, just because, I mean, these
23:19
are your last couple years. Why not benefit
23:22
your team that you're going to play with to
23:25
go get somebody else, but- I agree. Hey,
23:27
you scratched my back, I scratch yours. Yeah, it is. You
23:29
drafted my damn son. Yeah, all part of the deal.
23:31
That's pretty cool, thanks. I'll take
23:33
a little bit of a pay cut if you want
23:35
to try and help the team here and go get
23:37
one of these sort of at least, Marquees maybe a
23:39
stretch, but one of the more notable free agents that
23:41
we could possibly bring in. I'm with you.
23:44
Yeah, and that feels like it was part of the
23:46
deal, although now that they have
23:48
signed with 15 guys, until
23:50
LeBron signed, Yeah, it
23:53
would just be doing it to sign
23:55
somebody, as we just mentioned, as a
23:57
free agent. Although- DeRozan Sign and Trade.
30:00
like 250 million from the Raptors drafted a
30:02
year after in the number four spot, the
30:04
Bulls are getting their guy for 90 million
30:06
and they're getting about that much production as
30:08
well, comparatively. Patrick Williams is like a
30:11
fine starting wing. He makes wide open threes, he
30:14
doesn't take any other shots, he can guard his
30:16
guy one on one. Maybe he
30:18
can make a play every now and then, but he's
30:20
super young and the Bulls have seen a lot
30:22
of players go somewhere else and turn into somebody good,
30:24
like Lowry Markin and most notably, but
30:26
I'm even like, they had Luke Cornette. That guy can
30:28
hardly even get on the floor for the Bulls, suddenly
30:31
he's playing in the finals for the Celtics. Speaking of
30:33
Luke Cornette, he just signed a one year deal to
30:35
the, returning to the Celtics. Oh, Celtics
30:37
taking care of his moves. Oh, I was gonna
30:39
ask, who was gonna be the first official sort
30:42
of signing at six o'clock? Is it Luke
30:44
Cornette? Oh yeah, Deb on it. Deb
30:47
on the, okay. Five years is a long
30:50
time for Patrick Williams, but he's very,
30:52
very young and you know, if he ever pops
30:54
at all, that would be awesome for the Bulls,
30:56
but it kind of feels to
30:58
me like perhaps the Bulls are rebuilding here.
31:00
According to the Chicago Sun Times, it
31:04
wouldn't be surprising if DeRozan is gone, if Levine is
31:06
gone and Vuc is gone by the start of
31:08
opening night. Wow. We'll see. I
31:11
mean, DeRozan and Levine are probably becoming a
31:13
little bit more interesting for
31:15
teams right now with Paul George going to
31:17
Philadelphia, Clay Thompson isn't gonna get paid a
31:19
whole bunch of money. Like they're
31:21
running out of good guys who are available and
31:23
DeRozan for all of his faults, Zach Levine for
31:26
all of his faults, they still have been productive
31:28
players in their career. So they're gonna
31:30
sucker somebody into taking it. Well, and it sort of
31:32
like, it feels like we're gonna be waiting on Paul
31:34
George. Like it has to like a lot of these
31:36
teams, those type of guys could be backup plans if
31:38
you strike out on not getting Paul George to sign
31:40
with your team or whatever, right? Like, okay, now we
31:42
got to pivot. We got all these caps days, we
31:44
gotta do something with it. So
31:47
yeah, it could be DeRozan or Levine and sort
31:49
of backup plans, but we'll be waiting on
31:51
podcast P to make his decision. Hopefully it doesn't
31:53
take too long. Yeah, it feels like the Clippers
31:55
know that Paul George doesn't come back by
31:57
signing James Harden to the 270. Attacked
50:00
by my own dog. No. Yeah,
50:03
she was just my son. Okay.
50:05
Bam Boxers man,
50:08
they're called boxers for a reason Punch
50:11
in the face every once in a while. Jesus.
50:13
All right, Aaron Gordon style. Oh,
50:15
yeah That
50:18
was Christmas yeah, it's like playing Christmas night
50:20
and then dog mode at nighttime
50:22
I heard you showed up just to Santa and dog
50:25
got spooked Maybe that's why you
50:27
sort of look like Santa. Maybe dogs
50:29
don't like Santa Anyway,
50:31
Ty's Jones I think could be a Spurs fit as
50:34
well I mean if you do want just sort of
50:36
like a guy that never turns the ball over He
50:38
has a seven point three assist a turnover ratio Which
50:40
is like the best by far for anyone that's played
50:42
in a lot of games and the Wizards
50:44
believe it or not We're actually they
50:46
were better when he was out there running the
50:48
offense That shouldn't be a surprise because again his
50:50
field goal percentage went up his three point percentage
50:53
went up his effective field goal percentage They all
50:55
went up despite starting and playing more minutes. That's
50:57
pretty impressive. So yeah, I think the magic possibility
50:59
Maybe the pelicans depending on what they do Spurs
51:01
could be a fit other guys with his brother
51:03
because trade Jones is there's right Right, right. We
51:05
talked about Derek Jones jr. I mean, he's maybe
51:07
an underrated free agent to watch Chris Dunn Throw
51:10
him in the mix there Possibility drum in some
51:12
people if you need like the big To
51:15
stop up some minutes and hey would highsmith
51:18
who I think I thought I saw a rumor before we
51:20
went live Maybe the jazz were
51:22
showing interest in him. I can't remember or maybe the Thunder I
51:24
can't remember but He's
51:26
obviously maybe an underrated free agent as well
51:29
any news Don't anything
51:31
big dogs. The only thing I see over
51:33
here is the jazz are playing the wave
51:35
Omer Yurt's even Oh that guy
51:38
really hurt he's to play for the heat. He did.
51:40
Yeah, you know wasn't he did he wear number
51:42
77? I think so. Yeah respect
51:47
Alright, let's take a quick break here And when we
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51:53
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Well, I think he comes on a little bit
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after. If he plays, I assume he'll play. But
54:22
anyway, oh, there it is. Good work, JD. And Ash, did I hear
54:25
right? You're going to be wearing a suit for that? Maybe.
54:29
I don't know. That's what you said. A little
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toasty out there. A little toasty. I mean, the
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fabrics. A light weave.
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That's what I'm going to do. Let's
54:41
talk a little bit about the trade
54:43
that happened on Friday night. You guys
54:45
did an emergency podcast. The Pelicans
54:47
added Dejante Murray to their backcourt through
54:49
a trade with the Hawks there. The
54:51
Pels sent Larry Nance Jr., Dyson Daniels,
54:54
EJ Liddell, plus two first round picks. A
54:57
25 selection by way of the
54:59
Lakers and a 27 selection, which
55:01
is the least favorable from either
55:03
Milwaukee or New Orleans. Owned two
55:05
ATL for the
55:07
Mustard Man, Dejante Murray.
55:10
Attas, you surprised me on that emergency pod. Mustard Man. You
55:13
actually, you were calling it basically a win-win. You liked it from the
55:15
Pelicans side of things. Yeah. And
55:17
then the Hawks side of things. You thought it wasn't that
55:19
bad a return. Yeah. Them obviously making
55:21
a decision. We're going to, we got to trade one of these
55:23
guys, be a trade younger, Dejante Murray. They may not be done
55:25
trading. Yes. Dejan, it's a possibility still.
55:28
But yeah, have you changed your opinion on that at all or
55:30
still like it for both sides here? Yeah, people definitely got
55:32
angry at me and said, come on, I'm a Hawks fan.
55:34
That sucks. We want more than that
55:37
for Dejante Murray. But I
55:40
was looking at it from the mindset of the front office.
55:42
You want
55:44
to go basically and tear it all down? Is that
55:46
the idea? And try and
55:48
get better through the draft in the coming years? Or do
55:50
you want to try and do what you did a few years
55:52
ago? Try and rely on
55:54
Trey Young and get you to listen. It was,
55:57
it was a, like a wonderful Cinderella effect. got
56:00
to the conference finals and you
56:02
when you're going and relying on Trey,
56:04
it's very difficult to win in the
56:06
NBA. That is for sure. You don't
56:09
really win if you're relying on a small guard
56:11
as your guard. To me, it reminds me of
56:13
Damian Lillard in Portland. They got to a conference
56:15
finals and to me, I think
56:18
that was the option for Atlanta and I think I
56:21
would be fine with that. What they did
56:23
in 2021, it doesn't have to be
56:25
the exact same team, but basically it was pretty similar. They
56:27
had Bogdan Bogdanovich, just like they do now. The clinical pellet,
56:30
just like they do now. They had De'Anj 45
56:56
win team, but I do expect them to be a different team
56:59
that plays defense. I'm a
57:01
little excited on the vacuum on Dyson Daniels. I'm excited.
57:03
That was a big part of it. I thought I'm listening to you
57:06
guys do that emergency podcast. It does
57:08
change your perspective on the trade if you are a
57:10
Dyson Daniels fan or if you're a believer and
57:13
because then you're looking at like he's basically the first
57:15
round pick and now it's almost three first round picks.
57:17
You can talk yourself into that. I
57:19
just wonder, the Hawks ripped the
57:21
band-aid off so to speak, making the decision to
57:23
trade one of their back court guys, but
57:26
do you just amputee the whole damn
57:28
arm and just trade Trey Young as well
57:30
and really lean into your number one draft
57:32
pick, Jalen Johnson, Dyson Daniels is young, Kobe
57:35
Buffkin, and then whatever picks you have coming
57:37
up. That's a hell of a decision. It
57:39
feels like one even Atlanta wouldn't make because
57:41
it's like, who the hell is going
57:43
to go down in the fortress? I mean, if they're like a 18
57:46
win team type thing and they're really, really bad. Maybe
57:48
it's the right decision. Dyson Daniels fans,
57:51
maybe Tass will be there with his
57:53
Daniels jersey. He can listen. They didn't
57:56
have a great defense for the last
57:58
few years. When you
58:00
have Trey Young as your guy, you need those
58:02
types of guys. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it is
58:04
scary. It is scary going forward with DeAndre Hunter
58:07
as your number three, who is always injured. Klinkappella
58:10
is getting older. It is scary. I
58:12
get it. Yeah,
58:15
you say you say they're a different team, but then you also
58:17
list all the guys from 2021. They're all still
58:19
there. They're going to be four years older by the time
58:21
the playoffs roll around. They're not a different team. That's the
58:23
problem. They're going to be the exact same team. It's not
58:25
going to be too bad. It's not going to be too
58:28
good. And Jalen Johnson is
58:30
okay. Jalen Johnson. Sure. Look,
58:32
you're banking on John. Jalen Johnson or John Collins
58:34
is the big, big, big one. Really. But
58:37
I don't know. I think considering the Hawks let
58:39
it get to this point with Dejante Murray, this
58:41
was the best they could do getting a couple
58:43
of decent first round picks
58:45
that hopefully convey and hopefully are like in the teens.
58:47
I guess they could get really lucky if the Lakers
58:49
won hits. But the thing with
58:52
Trey, I agree at this point, it makes the most
58:54
sense to completely start over and rebuild. But the only
58:56
trade they can make is with the Spurs because the
58:58
Spurs had their draft pick in 25, 26 and 27.
59:02
So they need that trade. Literally,
59:05
that's the only trade they could make to have it make sense.
59:07
Otherwise, there's no point in being the worst team in the
59:09
league because then another team just gets your top
59:12
five draft pick. Yeah. And the Spurs could
59:14
get there with. Yeah, the Spurs
59:16
could get there with I think
59:18
like Devante Graham's contract, Zach Collins
59:20
contract, Trey Jones contract. Like you
59:22
could get to Young's what do you make like 43,
59:24
44 million. So you could get
59:27
there, obviously, be giving all the picks back and
59:29
stuff like that. And that's why the Hawks would do it. It's
59:31
just then gets into like the Spurs want Trey Young. Is
59:33
that a guy you want as your point
59:36
guard with women? Yama, you
59:38
see some people say, yeah, of course. Oh, my God. So
59:40
the names I just gave you. Well,
59:42
yeah, that's like that. Yeah, they would only be trading
59:44
picks. Really? Totally. Those are just literally just contracts to
59:46
make it work. But Trey Young to me doesn't feel
59:49
like a San Antonio. I know that's why I think
59:51
Greg Popovich cut him from Team
59:53
USA World Cup in 2019 for
59:56
Derek White, oddly enough, back in the day. So
59:59
I don't necessarily. see that as a fit culture
1:00:02
wise for Trey Young. What
1:00:04
do you think Ash about the Pelicans Hawks
1:00:06
trade you're here in Atlanta? Well everybody's always
1:00:11
talking about we had to do something to break up
1:00:13
those two one of those guys had to leave we've
1:00:15
been talking about it all this past season thinking Dejante
1:00:17
was gonna go to the Lakers or maybe Trey Young
1:00:19
to the Lakers or the Spurs and now
1:00:22
with Dejante being gone it's like okay we picked
1:00:24
a direction like Tass was saying we've got Trey
1:00:26
Young to be our point guard we
1:00:30
have to make other moves though like we can't run back
1:00:32
the same team we've got Risashe
1:00:35
don't know what he's gonna be like coming in
1:00:37
Dejante Hunter I feel like has to be gone
1:00:39
he's we have to have somebody
1:00:42
in that spot to be a
1:00:44
lot more consistent than Dejante Hunter and
1:00:46
you know Johnson he's okay Klinkapilla I'm sure
1:00:49
is gonna be gone probably either
1:00:51
in the summer here or by the trade
1:00:53
deadline I'm sure with Okung Wu so I
1:00:56
don't know we picked a duration we don't have to
1:00:58
argue well whose team is it now because you would
1:01:00
hear rumblings from Atlanta fans all the time which one
1:01:02
is it so we got Trey
1:01:05
let's move forward with it let's get off this
1:01:07
back maybe maybe we can do something yeah
1:01:11
it's funny with Dejante Hunter because he puts up numbers and
1:01:13
he does well and then he
1:01:15
misses a lot of time he just he just continues to miss
1:01:17
time year after year I mean back in
1:01:19
that 21 playoffs they
1:01:21
were starting Solomon Hill for a while at
1:01:23
the small forward that was happening and
1:01:26
then cam reddish came on he looked awesome for
1:01:28
a while he was guarding really really
1:01:31
well in that box series guarding Chris
1:01:33
Middleton but
1:01:35
yes so the young guys have to really it's
1:01:37
up to Jalen Johnson I think to really move
1:01:39
this thing forward and it seems like Trey and
1:01:41
the way that they handshake on the floor every
1:01:43
single time they're really buds I
1:01:45
don't I don't know how much Jalen
1:01:47
Johnson involves because
1:01:50
what John Collins had back then was they
1:01:52
had an attitude that was a different team
1:01:54
and just Quinn Snyder though is what
1:01:56
he did with Donovan Mitchell in Utah's
1:01:59
it's seems like something that he could do with
1:02:01
Trejion. Depends on the guys around him, but you
1:02:03
know, I
1:02:06
just don't know if you just tear it down and just check it out. Like
1:02:08
what do you guys think from the New Orleans side? I
1:02:10
love it. I think they got him for very
1:02:12
little. They can't score
1:02:14
in the fourth quarters. Dejante Murray's clutch. Like
1:02:17
I, at times he was better than Trejion, a lot of
1:02:19
times this year for the Hawks. So
1:02:21
I think he'll help in that department. You'd like to
1:02:23
see him like get a little more locked in defensively,
1:02:25
because that was a big part of it. We're like,
1:02:28
we were like, oh yeah, what a perfect guard to
1:02:30
put alongside Trejion. This guy's like really good defensively. He
1:02:32
wasn't. No. I mean, he wasn't as
1:02:34
good as he was at least in the Spurs system. Now, is that a spin system
1:02:36
thing? Is that because he wasn't asked to do
1:02:38
as much offensively? Who knows? But you'd like to see him
1:02:40
trying it back to a little bit more on that end
1:02:42
of the floor, but he won't also have to be the
1:02:45
best defender for the Pelicans. Like that's Herb Jones, like if
1:02:47
he's there. So I really like
1:02:49
to fit in New Orleans. Gonna wait to sort of
1:02:51
see what they do with Brandon Ingram and
1:02:54
what that could possibly get him. I don't see how they
1:02:56
could play together. I don't think they're a fit at all.
1:02:58
I think Murray and Ingram said a player, but one is
1:03:00
four inches taller. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think he's gotta
1:03:02
go. And I think they gotta figure out what they do
1:03:05
with CJ McCollum as well, because he's a guy, he did
1:03:07
a pretty solid job playing off the ball. And that's the
1:03:09
big thing is that the Pelicans are actually getting a point
1:03:11
guard. Dejante Murray will handle the ball
1:03:13
quite a bit. I don't know if that means that
1:03:15
Zion doesn't have the ball quite as
1:03:18
often, but you should have contingency plans
1:03:20
as well. So I think they need to trade
1:03:22
Brandon Ingram for a center because they had none on the roster except for
1:03:24
a 19 year old. So, Brooke
1:03:27
Lopez maybe makes sense there. Maybe
1:03:30
Jared Allen, I know is somebody that the Pelicans
1:03:32
would like to have as well. So
1:03:35
if either the Bucks or the Cavs wanna
1:03:39
pay this giant extension to Brandon Ingram, there
1:03:41
could be a trade there. Right, right. We
1:03:43
have something here from Shams. It's
1:03:46
about a center in free agency. With
1:03:49
cap space teams, Orlando focused on wing
1:03:51
free agents and Utah focused on current
1:03:53
roster decisions. And the Knicks working
1:03:55
to unhard cap sources say the
1:03:58
Thunder are in Eugene, Oregon. set
1:04:00
to meet with Isaiah Hartenstein.
1:04:03
They are meeting with I
1:04:05
Heart. I thought this would be
1:04:07
maybe one that was like literally 601 hits
1:04:10
and it was like, Thunder, Sino, Isaiah Hartenstein to,
1:04:12
you know, four years, 120 million or
1:04:14
whatever the heck. But obviously they have
1:04:16
him as a target and it makes sense.
1:04:18
That's exactly who they could use. And
1:04:20
so they're gonna meet with him, according to Shomps. They're
1:04:22
gonna meet with him. Everybody likes to get a meeting. Always
1:04:25
take the meeting. You know, Paul George could easily just
1:04:28
decide where he wants to go, but it's fun to
1:04:30
be wooed. Isaiah Hartenstein, he knows the deal that's coming
1:04:32
from the Knicks. What was it, four years, 78 is
1:04:34
the max. They could offer
1:04:36
him. We'll see what the Thunder can do,
1:04:38
but obviously they can beat the
1:04:40
Knicks offer if they want
1:04:42
to. So it'll be dollars
1:04:45
or comfort because the Knicks gave him a
1:04:47
bigger role. He was awesome as a starter.
1:04:49
He will still be getting a raise from
1:04:52
the Knicks. Just, he could be getting a bigger raise from a team
1:04:54
like the Thunder. Yeah, after all
1:04:56
that the Knicks have done with
1:04:59
Mikel Bridges, signing
1:05:01
OG, it feels like Hartenstein
1:05:03
may go, depending on how much
1:05:05
he can get from somewhere else. Or
1:05:08
maybe he's just having a meeting. But
1:05:10
that would fit so well. Because
1:05:13
they need size. They need size.
1:05:16
And although Chet Holmgren is their starting center and is a
1:05:18
monstrous man, giving away Josh Giddi did
1:05:20
limit their size, which was already an
1:05:23
issue. But Hartenstein,
1:05:25
he could be the backup five and
1:05:27
then finish games. I mean,
1:05:29
because what they're really in need of is
1:05:33
another, like a guy who could finish. It could
1:05:35
be Caruso, obviously that's no problem. But instead of
1:05:37
Dort, you could have a Hartenstein Chet combo. Yeah,
1:05:39
it'd be nice to have the option to go
1:05:42
big. You got lots. You got lots. Because Chet,
1:05:44
despite being obviously huge, I mean, he's a different
1:05:46
player than Isaiah Hartenstein. And that's fine, but man,
1:05:48
I think he'd be awesome in OKC. Unlike
1:05:51
confident this one is going to happen,
1:05:54
like they're going to just like come in with a pretty damn good
1:05:56
deal for him. I'm trying, I'm drawing a blank. Who
1:05:58
recently got four for a hundred? 100 million Nick
1:06:00
clackstoke. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, so okay. I
1:06:03
mean, I know he's younger and all that
1:06:06
Probably not even by that much. I see a weird
1:06:08
guys like he feels way older, but he's not but
1:06:10
anyway So that's sort of okay. There's sort of setting
1:06:12
your market, you know a little bit So
1:06:14
that's something obviously okay see could do you
1:06:17
want to get some of the other news while
1:06:19
we wait on Paul George? Yeah, we're just waiting on Paul.
1:06:22
We gotta make a decision how long we're gonna go here We'll
1:06:24
give it another 20 30 minutes maybe but we
1:06:26
do have some other news Let's just go to it and
1:06:28
you know interrupt me Ash if anything comes across I'll
1:06:30
just say before you go the only thing I've
1:06:32
seen is a but tomb is not returning to
1:06:34
the 76ers So he is free agent. Okay.
1:06:37
Okay. I saw that too and
1:06:39
I had already excuse me forgotten about him But
1:06:43
yeah He
1:06:46
hit big shots, yeah, I guess he's
1:06:49
getting more money from elsewhere I
1:06:52
mean, they're waiting to sign Paul George to a max and
1:06:56
Maybe can't give Paul are but to more
1:06:58
than the minimum But like you said
1:07:00
Paul George was talking up but to man Covington
1:07:02
when he was obviously I was with the clipper
1:07:04
Yeah, he was saying like yeah, man.
1:07:07
Once those guys left me and Koa had to do the
1:07:09
dirty work The
1:07:18
big news today was the Detroit Pistons are
1:07:20
finalizing a deal with former Cavs coach JB
1:07:22
Bickerstaff To be their next head
1:07:24
coach just a week after firing Monty
1:07:26
Williams, so I guess
1:07:29
Kenny Atkinson Cavs coach JB Bickerstaff
1:07:31
moving from Cleveland He is
1:07:33
gonna be Detroit's head coach your
1:07:36
thoughts. Where does James beret go? I
1:07:38
don't know man I was
1:07:40
the leader here for a while and then Trajan Langdon
1:07:42
took over the job and now
1:07:44
suddenly it's JB Bickerstaff Going
1:07:46
from the Cavs to the Pistons kind of
1:07:48
weird to me. Yeah, it is a little yeah The Pistons
1:07:51
love to hire a guy that's been fired Like
1:07:54
Dwayne Casey, Monty Williams now
1:07:56
Bickerstaff Yeah,
1:07:58
it wasn't this sort of came out of nowhere Absolutely.
1:08:00
I was like, well, okay JB's getting I think it's like a
1:08:02
four or five year deal I think the athletic was saying four
1:08:04
years. I think we'll set five years So
1:08:07
it's not like short by any means that's sort of I think
1:08:09
now just a going rate for most of these coaches Especially
1:08:11
someone's been coaching for a while and coach a lot of
1:08:13
teams. But what do you think of this move from Langdon?
1:08:17
Yeah, the the brago side is interesting. I
1:08:19
wonder how much they actually really really wanted
1:08:21
him I saw within within a slack accountant
1:08:24
that I'm a member of that James Edwards
1:08:26
did mention that The
1:08:29
fact that he has been withdrawn is a
1:08:31
little bit Too much
1:08:33
because they weren't really looking for him is
1:08:35
the whole implication and JB
1:08:37
I guess as you said they they do like a
1:08:40
guy who's fired now He did turn the Cavs around
1:08:42
big time You know his first full season was a
1:08:44
22 and 50 and then they
1:08:46
went 44 games then they acquired Donovan Mitchell they won
1:08:48
the 51 games and then You
1:08:51
know when he gets fired and the hip piece came out
1:08:53
right away. Yeah that The veterans
1:08:55
at least in the Cavs locker room We're butting
1:08:57
heads with them and and I think actually
1:08:59
this will be a good team for him because I remember
1:09:01
that that report was They thought
1:09:04
the veterans in the Cavs locker room thought Bickerstaff was
1:09:06
treating them like a young team And
1:09:08
then you know, they had to learn and stuff like that
1:09:10
and not not like a team Like maybe ready to contend
1:09:12
and a little more ahead of schedule So
1:09:14
Bickerstaff is now with a young team. So maybe this is
1:09:16
a better fit for him I don't think he's a terrible
1:09:19
coach by any means. No, he turned around a Cavs team.
1:09:21
Yeah when they were a young team Right,
1:09:24
but he may get fired in a few years
1:09:26
because he's an NBA head coach. He will
1:09:28
get fired Set the
1:09:30
line at two and a half. I guess you and
1:09:32
half seasons you can set it up Yeah, but if
1:09:34
he gets them to a play and turn right position,
1:09:37
that's a It's a
1:09:39
healthy an achievement. Well, the bar could not possibly
1:09:41
be lower How many games
1:09:43
did they win for 14? This is
1:09:45
year six of the rebuild for Detroit.
1:09:47
Yeah, yeah coach three I
1:09:50
am with you though. It's like it's uninspiring.
1:09:52
It's a safe. It's a safe pick Right,
1:09:55
you but Trajan Langdon comes in here as
1:09:57
the franchise's new president of basketball operations. He
1:09:59
basically Sort of revamps the front office. That
1:10:01
was good. See you later Troy Weaver And
1:10:04
then fires the head coach and then obviously gets his new head
1:10:06
coach here They need to yeah,
1:10:08
this has been a long time of them
1:10:11
being bad They need to start seeing some
1:10:13
development with their young guys and hopefully vicar
1:10:15
staff can can help them get there There's
1:10:17
some hot rumors about Kentavius called all Pope
1:10:19
going back to Detroit where he used to
1:10:21
play But why would
1:10:23
he want to go back there? I mean get
1:10:25
the paycheck the paycheck I'll say I'm like a
1:10:28
leverage leak to me. Yep possible. You got cap
1:10:30
space. I could go sign there You better pay
1:10:32
me a little bit more. Mm-hmm Mm-hmm In
1:10:35
other news you sort of slipped it in
1:10:37
earlier Canadian Olympic basketball team GM Rowan Barrett
1:10:40
said Friday that Golden State is blocking Andrew
1:10:42
Wiggins from competing in Paris While
1:10:44
the Warriors countered it was a mutual decision
1:10:47
between the team and Andrew Wiggins was
1:10:49
among the 20 players who received invitations
1:10:51
to camp to determine the Olympic
1:10:53
team a Lot
1:10:56
of Canadian basketball fans upset with this tasks not
1:10:58
happy with Steve Kerr not happy with the Warriors
1:11:01
Basically right before the start of training camp That was
1:11:03
sort of the weird part that it was like suddenly
1:11:05
like no, you can't go and you're not
1:11:07
playing for them Well, what was your takeaway? Obviously
1:11:10
a little disappointment, but at the same time
1:11:12
the team that Played
1:11:15
last year without him was
1:11:17
fantastic. They were so good Yeah,
1:11:19
and so yes, it would be nice to get Peek Wig,
1:11:21
but they could use some size and some wing Yeah,
1:11:25
Lou dort it's gonna be a lot of
1:11:27
be asked for him to to produce and
1:11:29
fire away from three-point land Hopefully he hits
1:11:31
them but they have they
1:11:34
have That's that's
1:11:36
where they're lacking is wings and bigger and
1:11:38
the and the actual big men the center
1:11:40
spot going up against if we're talking We're
1:11:44
talking big we're talking about going up against
1:11:46
the USA the Kelly Olenek Dwight
1:11:49
Powell Zach Edie know Zach Edie.
1:11:52
He's a Yeah, so that's
1:11:54
disappointing. That's for sure But
1:11:57
we don't know what Wiggins we're gonna get anyway because we're
1:11:59
not
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