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Welcome to Noble Blood, a production

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of I Heart Radio and Grim and Mild

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from Aaronminki listener discretion

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is advised. In

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the hills of Catalonia, the region

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of Spain, to the northeast, close

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to the border with France, there's a

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small town called La Bisba Demporta.

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It's not a frequent stop for most tourists.

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The town is quaint but a little run

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down. A dry riverbed,

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grassy and derelict runs

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through the town center, a place

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where a weekly market appears. A

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few tents and carts people

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selling mostly crafts and

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ceramics. There's a pub

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there in town, a restaurant and bar

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called El Drac with a large

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outdoor seating area that sprawls

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onto the sidewalk. According

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to trip Advisory views, it's not a bad

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place to stop were a quick bite or

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something to drink. Trish gave

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it five stars. In her review, she

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wrote quote the restaurant

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itself is very atmospheric, with

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original stone walls, open

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fire, and well spaced out tables,

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which I like. Another user

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named beck clev M had a

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slightly less enjoyable experience.

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His one star review complained

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quote, there was no one behind the

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bar for five minutes, despite

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we have been sitting there, and staff

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was walking around the bar often. Finally

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bartender arrived and made us

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drinks. The service staff

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seemed to be acting without organization,

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everyone doing everything and nothing.

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I wonder if that clev M might have

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felt differently if he had asked

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around, if he had maybe turned

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to a local next to him and inquired

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who exactly Aldrack was

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employing as servers. If

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he looked closely, he might have seen

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a few things that made Aldrac unique.

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The walls were peppered with framed newspaper

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articles and a framed book

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cover. They had a sandwich

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on the menu called the Monarch,

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and one of the servers, a man

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named Albert Sola, answered

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to a specific nickname from drinkers

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at the bar. The regulars all

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called him the Little King. Albert

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looks younger than his sixty five years.

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He has a full head of salt and pepper

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hair, re seating slightly at the sides

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into a deep widow's peak. His

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eyes are close set, deep and intelligent,

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and his nose is long with a

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patrician curve. It's

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the nose in particular that

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I think makes Albert Sola most

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closely resemble the former

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King of Spain, Juan Carlos the

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First, who abdicated the throne

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in twenty fourteen amidst a flurry

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of scandals, and for the

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past few years Juan Carlos

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has been deflecting the possibility of

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yet another scandal. Albert

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Sola, the waiter at Eldrach, claims

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to be the former king's son, and

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not just his son. According

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to Albert Sola's birth certificate,

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he would be the king's oldest son,

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older than Juan Carlos's son Philippe,

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who was sent to the throne in two thousand

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fourteen as Philippe the Sixth.

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Now on this podcast, I have covered

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more than a few stories of royal pretenders.

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There was the Tickborne claimant, the Australian

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man who came to England claiming

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to be the long missing Roger Tickborn,

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heir to his family's barancy, presumed

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dead in a shipwreck. Then there

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was the woman who appeared in Bristol in

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eighteen seventeen who spoke

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in a made up language and

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declared that she was Princess

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Cariboo of a far away island.

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And throughout the centuries

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a number of royal children whom

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history acknowledged to be dead, like

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Marie Antoinette's son and the royal

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Romanov Princess Anastasia, have

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been the subject of numerous hoaxes,

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with actors and grifters appearing

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and proclaiming that they've been alive

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this whole time, living lives

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of secret poverty, waiting

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for their chance to re emerge. You,

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the listener, are, of course welcome

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to believe whatever you want,

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although I think I would be remiss in

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my duties as the host of this podcast

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if I didn't tell you that, in my professional

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opinion, all of the people who pretend

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to be the lost of Fa Louis or

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Anastasia Romanov are just

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factually, on the evidence lying,

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and that the man who claimed to be Roger Tickborne

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was actually, by all the evidence,

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a man named Arthur Orton, the son

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of a butcher, and that, of

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course Princess Cariboo was

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complete nonsense. And

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so the case of Albert Silla

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might be the first occasion in which

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I think the evidence actually

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weighs more likely than

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not that a man who was working

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as a waiter in a restaurant for most

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of his adult life might actually

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be the previous King of Spain's

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oldest son. He's

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not necessarily the heir to the throne.

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He was, after all illegitimate,

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but certainly someone with a claim to

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it. Unlike

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most episodes of Noble Blood, this

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is a modern story from the twentieth

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century, and a story that's ongoing,

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continually developing today. But

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it's a story that sheds a light on

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the problems for modern monarchies

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to day. Back in the sixteen

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hundreds, it was easy enough to shroud

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a king in majesty, back

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when the people of a kingdom would only be exposed

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to a king through portraitures

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and glamorous pageantry, and

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of course the words of the trusted Church.

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But today journalists

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and internet gossip makes

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easy work of proving that the

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people who are supposed to be God's

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chosen rulers on earth are

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just as mortal in their failings

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as the rest of us. It's

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enough to make you wonder who are

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the real pretenders. I'm

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Danish wartz, and this is

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Noble Blood. Maybe

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now is as good a time as any to go

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over a little bit of Spanish history.

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In the monarchy

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of Spain was overthrown in favor

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of the Second Spanish Republic,

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the former King Alfonso the third teenh

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went peacefully into exile. He

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and his two oldest sons renounced

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their claims to the throne and went to

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live in Rome. But the Second

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Spanish Republic was short lived.

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There was an election for a Constitutional

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Cortes, a group to rewrite

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the constitution of Spain with progressive

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reforms, and those reforms

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included the separation of church and state,

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forbidding religious teachings in public

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schools. But Spain was

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still an incredibly Catholic country

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and the Republican prime minister at

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the time was religious himself.

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He resigned and another prime minister,

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the more liberal Azagna, was

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eventually ousted in an election

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in favor of a right winger, Laurel.

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From that point on, there were a number

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of socialist uprisings throughout

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the country, and the factionalism

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among the Republicans weakened

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their hold on the country, which gave

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the military opportunity to attempt

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a coup. When I refer to

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the Republicans here, I'm not talking about

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a specific political party like

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Republicans in America. I'm

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referring to the people in favor of the

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Second Spanish Republic, the

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ostensible, democratic, more

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progressive government of the country

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which was recognized internationally,

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but which because it contained people

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from across the political spectrum,

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failed to be united enough to maintain

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control against the oncoming coup.

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The war between the Republicans and

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the military, who came to be known as the

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Nationalists, devastated

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the country with countless atrocities,

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massacres, and brutal attacks, including

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the bombing of Guernica, now immortalized

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in one of Pablo Picasso's most famous

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paintings. Eventually,

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the Nationalists the Spanish military,

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captured Barcelona and then Madrid,

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and their leader, Francisco Front

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declared victory, setting off

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the next several decades of his far

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right authoritarian regime. I'm

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skating through a lot of history here

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very quickly, but to get back to the monarchy.

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Fringo was attracted to the idea

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of the Grand Deur of Spain, historically

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the pomp and pageantry of nationalist

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Spain, and he hated the idea

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of a democratic republic forming

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after he was gone, and so he

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decided he would reinstate the

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monarchy. At this point,

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the grandson of Alfonso was

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living in Rome, a man named Juan

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Carlos, and so Franco

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brought the Prince Juan Carlos

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back to Spain and named him his

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heir. Franco imagined

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that Juan Carlos would be something of his protege

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and would continue on his authoritarian

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regime after his death. Well,

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Franco died, but then Juan

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Carlos did something un expected.

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Rather than carry on the dictatorship,

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to the surprise of Spain and the

10:06

rest of the world, King Juan

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Carlos the first ushered

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democracy into Spain, spearheading

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the first democratic election in the

10:15

country since the nineteen thirties

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and facing down the ensuing right

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wing military coup that was attempted

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in the aftermath. It's

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almost difficult to overstate what

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an incredible thing Juan Carlos did,

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how he peacefully unraveled decades

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of authoritarianism and ushered

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in a new era of Spain in which

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the nation would be democratic and

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participatory in the economy of the rest

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of the world. He was a

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hero beloved by two generations

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of grateful Spaniards still

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reckoning with the trauma of Franco's authoritarian

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regime. Juan Carlos was

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a king who could have become an autocrat,

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but instead gave a country back to

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its people. Later,

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King Juan Carlos would have another admittedly

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smaller scale hero moment when

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he went viral in two thousand seven

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at a summit in Chile when he told

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the then President of Venezuela, Hugoshavez,

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why don't you shut up? But

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the goodwill towards the King of Spain

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would soon run out. In

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twent twelve, King Juan Carlos

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went on a secret vacation, a

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vacation that would have remained secret

11:32

had he not injured himself and need

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to be airlifted out to receive an emergency

11:37

hip replacement. The king

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was in Botswana hunting

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elephants. Now, that would

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have been bad enough, but every

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new detail about the story that emerged

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just made the situation worse

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and worse. Spain

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was in a massive economic downturn,

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a period of huge unemployment

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in aftermath of the two thousand eight

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global recession. This

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little elephant hunting vacation cost

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over forty thousand euros,

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and it was subsidized by an adviser

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to the Saudi royal family with

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ced ties to fifteen offshore

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companies named in the Panama papers.

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And on this pretty

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dodgy vacation, the King

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wasn't accompanied by the Queen Sophia,

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the mother of his children. He

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was with a woman named Corina Zussain

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Wittenstein, a German princess

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by marriage. The media

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in Spain had been historically

12:38

very generous in their coverage of the

12:41

royal family. A reporter

12:43

from The New Yorker once wrote

12:45

that he was told by a newspaper editor

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that he and his peers quote

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exercise self censorship

12:52

on the subject of the king. When

12:55

the New Yorker reporter wrote an article

12:57

alluding to one of the king's alleged

13:00

numerous rumored affairs, one

13:03

of the journalists with whom he had spoken felt

13:06

so guilty and nervous for the future

13:08

of his own career that he called

13:10

the chief of the royal household to apologize.

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But after the elephant hunting incident,

13:17

it seemed like the royal family was

13:19

stuck on a treadmill with a speed

13:22

that kept increasing. When

13:24

the King tried to downsize by

13:26

giving up his eighteen million euro

13:29

yacht, it just brought more attention

13:31

to the fact that he had an

13:33

eighteen million euro yacht. To begin

13:35

with, and that it cost twenty

13:38

thousand euros just to staff it, and

13:41

that it had been a gift by an assortment

13:43

of twenty five random businessmen and

13:45

the Blair government. For

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all of the king's relatively progressive

13:52

politics, je Carlos had a

13:54

bad habit of accepting exorbitant

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gifts and swaddling himself

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with the luxe jury that maybe

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he felt he had been denied as a child

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in exile. Royal biographer

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Lawrence Debray wrote that one Carlos

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quote had known as a young man

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the humiliation of having to economically

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depend on rich Spanish aristocrats

14:17

who were voluntarily ensuring the lifestyle

14:20

of the royal family in exile. That

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stress or anxiety, no

14:25

doubt shaped his magpie like

14:27

tendency to hoard wealth, but

14:30

it didn't make it any less palatable to

14:32

a modern and struggling Spanish

14:34

population. In the twenty one century,

14:41

the snowball of scandals were just

14:43

too much for the monarchy to bear. In

14:47

the Prime Minister announced that

14:49

the king had told him that he intended

14:51

to abdicate, and later

14:53

in that year, Juan Carlos the First

14:55

did just that, becoming

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the fourth European monarch to app

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decay in just over a year after

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Pope Benedict sixteenth, Queen

15:04

Beatrix of the Netherlands and King

15:06

Albert the Second of Belgium.

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It was a reckoning for the monarchies

15:12

of Europe, a global moment of

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modernism colliding with an

15:17

inherently regressive institution.

15:19

To survive, monarchies needed

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to adapt, to become likable,

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likable multi multimillionaires

15:28

to whom people need to bow when they enter

15:30

a room. It's a tricky

15:32

order. Youth and good

15:34

looks help more progressive

15:36

politics due too, although not too

15:39

progressive as to not alienate

15:41

the traditional base who make up

15:43

the support for having a monarchy

15:45

at all in the first place. It

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seems, in my estimation at least,

15:50

that many of the present day European

15:52

monarchies recognized the utility

15:55

in a shift towards what I consider a

15:57

sort of kitch, the sale of tea

16:00

towels and china plates with their faces

16:02

painted on them, the monarch

16:04

becoming less a political

16:06

power and more a mascot,

16:09

someone that the country can unite behind,

16:12

much in the same way a crowd at a football

16:14

game can get excited about a guy dancing

16:16

in a tiger costume for

16:19

the crowns of Europe. It was a moment of

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adapt or die. The

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new King of Spain, Phillip the six,

16:26

was handsome and comparatively unadorned

16:29

by scandal, and the country was further

16:31

indeared to him by his marriage to a

16:34

beautiful non royal woman who had

16:36

worked as a news reporter. Now

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our story requires us to go back

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in time once again, to

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nine fifty six in Barcelona,

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where a baby was born and given the

16:51

name Alberto Fernando Augusto

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back Roman. Alberto,

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who would eventually begin going by Albert,

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was one of the hundred thousand

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children orphaned during the Franco

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regime, not all infants

17:05

whose parents had died, but also

17:08

children whose parents were political enemies

17:11

or unwed mothers in the deeply Catholic

17:13

country, mothers who smuggled

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their children out of their homes to

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be raised by different families. As

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an infant, Albert was sent to the island

17:22

of Babitha to be cared for it by a poor farming

17:25

family. The daughter of that family

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is still alive. Her name is Yulalia,

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and she's ninety years old now. She

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recounted how her family had

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frequently fostered children from the

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mainland, illegitimate children

17:39

of powerful families usually, but

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Albert's case was peculiar

17:44

from the start. According

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to Yulalia, they were paid almost

17:48

twice their usual rate to care

17:51

for him, given almost three

17:53

hundred pas a month. As

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a young boy, Albert was taken

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from Abatha and brought to live in a mansion

18:00

in Barcelona. Although the force

18:02

behind these movements and machinations

18:05

weren't clear then and still aren't

18:07

clear to Albert today, all

18:09

he has to go on are his hazy

18:11

half memories in Barcelona.

18:14

He remembers the manner he lived at had

18:17

a garden and high walls, and

18:19

that an older woman would come and visit

18:22

him, bringing him toys. He

18:24

believes now the woman might have been his grandmother.

18:28

A tutor would come to the house to teach

18:30

him, and he lived in the mansion in

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Barcelona until age eight, when

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he was sent to the home of a farmer named

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Salva Torsola in the province

18:39

of Hurona. A whisper

18:42

followed him there, a whisper

18:44

that he was noble, born a child

18:46

of an important family. It

18:49

was that whisper that Albert clung to

18:52

as his life became even stranger,

18:55

more inexplicably charmed.

18:58

After Albert got his driver license,

19:00

a mysterious gift appeared, an

19:03

expensive motorcycle and a

19:05

car. When Albert served

19:07

his mandatory military service in

19:10

his twenties, he was given cushy

19:12

preferential treatment. He

19:14

was even given a chartered helicopter to

19:16

take home to visit family after one

19:18

of his relatives was injured in an accident.

19:22

Eventually, Albert would begin working

19:25

as a waiter at the job he would keep for his entire

19:27

life. But he remained

19:29

curious about his childhood, his

19:32

origins, the way good things

19:34

just tended to follow him, and

19:36

why he had faint memories of

19:39

a woman in a garden who looked

19:41

like the by then deceased mother

19:43

of the King. In

19:47

two Albert took his curiosity

19:50

to a local office in Barcelona

19:52

that specialized in finding adoption

19:55

records. Albert waited

19:57

while several of their employees were called

19:59

over to look at his files. There

20:02

was speaking behind lifted

20:04

hands, a visit to the manager

20:06

in the back of the office. Finally,

20:09

the manager emerged to tell

20:12

Albert that they couldn't help him,

20:14

but the manager did give Albert one

20:16

cryptic piece of information that

20:19

this was the most complicated adoption

20:22

case that they had ever seen. Albert

20:26

has decades of stories of gossip

20:28

following him, of powerful people

20:30

telling him that he came from a powerful

20:32

family. He made a claim in

20:35

court to see his birth records, a

20:37

claim that got no official response.

20:41

Finally, off the record, Albert

20:43

was given the answer that he had waited for

20:46

his entire life. The judge

20:48

on his case called him privately

20:51

after hours and told him

20:53

that he was the son of King

20:55

Juan Carlos, the first an

20:58

illegitimate child. That the king had

21:00

it eighteen before he married

21:02

Queen Sophia several years later. Later,

21:06

that judge would deny making the phone

21:08

call at all, but in Albert's mind

21:11

the case was solved. He was

21:13

the king's son and the

21:15

king's oldest son. In

21:20

two thousand and seven, Albert

21:22

sent a handwritten letter by facts

21:25

to Zezuela Palace. It began,

21:28

dear Father. Someone in

21:30

the palace responded and told

21:32

Albert that his letter would be forwarded

21:34

along to the king. But Albert

21:36

waited and waited, and

21:39

no response came, And

21:41

so Albert continued to write letters.

21:44

Give me some answers, and I will not bother

21:46

you again. One of the letters read

21:49

my patients has run out. Albert

21:52

wasn't asking for money or to claim

21:55

the throne. He just wanted answers

21:58

and maybe a chance to get to the

22:00

father that he had been missing his entire

22:02

life. Albert requested

22:04

DNA and a paternity lawsuit,

22:07

both of which were denied. When

22:09

Juan Carlos the First was king, he

22:11

had full protection under sovereign immunity

22:14

from both civil and criminal lawsuits,

22:17

but the question became a little trickier

22:19

after Juan Carlos abdicated and

22:21

Albert Sola isn't the only person claiming

22:24

to be an illegitimate child of the former

22:26

king. A Belgian woman

22:28

named Ingrid Sartua born in nineteen

22:31

sixty six, claims that she's

22:33

the King's daughter, born from an affair

22:35

that the king had in France with her mother Lilian.

22:39

Allegedly, Lilian turned down

22:41

royal offers to get an illegal abortion,

22:44

and because bearing a child out of wedlock

22:46

would have been dangerous and Franco Spain,

22:49

Lilian smuggled her infant daughter to

22:51

Belgium. Lilian had told

22:53

young Ingrid for her entire life that

22:56

her father had died in a plane crash,

22:58

until finally she believed that

23:00

her child was old enough to hear the truth.

23:03

As with Albert's, all of Ingrid's

23:06

legal avenues to try to get an answer

23:08

as to our paternity hit dead

23:11

ends. But then the parent

23:13

decided to test their DNA against

23:15

one another's. An independent

23:18

agency in Belgium verified

23:20

the results. The two

23:23

Ingrid and Albert are most

23:25

likely have siblings. It

23:28

makes a certain kind of sense. I

23:30

mean, for centuries, kings

23:33

had been having affairs and having illegitimate

23:35

children. If you're a fan of this podcast,

23:38

you're probably well aware that

23:40

that's just sort of what kings do. But

23:43

that type of behavior looks a little

23:46

different in the twenty first century,

23:49

and the incredibly self serious

23:51

question of the quote unquote

23:54

legitimacy of claims to the thrones

23:56

of Europe seem almost

23:59

even a little silly in a world

24:01

of Wikipedia and books being delivered

24:03

to our front doors via drone. Personally,

24:07

I would welcome someone who had spent a

24:09

lifetime in the service industry becoming

24:11

the king of a nation. It seems

24:14

to me that a server would have the best

24:16

ability to actually well

24:19

serve the people, and not just provide

24:21

lip service to that effect while smiling

24:23

for the cameras. Albert

24:26

Solo may never become the King of Spain,

24:29

but he'll always be the little King to

24:31

the patrons at his bar. That's

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the still unfolding story

24:41

of the possible illegitimate son of

24:43

the former King of Spain. But keep

24:46

listening after a brief sponsor break to

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hear yet another scandal Juan

24:50

Carlos got himself into. And

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just on a personal note, I want to thank

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everyone so much for all the support they

24:58

throw to the show. Everyone over

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on the Patreon Just a reminder, we're

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the CW. We also have

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merch at d F TB a dot com.

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I'm linking that in the episode description.

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And also I'm leading a pilgrimage

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to Sussex this spring in April.

25:29

I think there might still be a few spots left

25:31

if you sign up soon. It's a pilgrimage

25:33

to discuss the works of Mary Shelley, particularly

25:36

Frankenstein, to walk to talk

25:38

to read. I think it's going to be a really great

25:40

experience. Now I would be so excited

25:42

to meet any listeners in person, so that's

25:44

very exciting. And also, oh

25:47

gosh, Anatomy the book that I've been

25:49

yammering on about forever. It's a novel

25:52

about the dawn of surgery in nineteenth

25:54

century Scotland. It finally comes

25:56

out January, and thank

25:58

you so much to anyone who has already

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pre ordered it. If it interests you at

26:03

all, it would mean the world to me. If you take a look,

26:05

if you like this podcast, I think you'll really like

26:07

it. Even

26:20

after Juan Carlos abdicated from

26:22

the throne, he still managed

26:24

to find trouble. The Supreme

26:26

Court in Spain was forced to open

26:29

a preliminary investigation about

26:31

the former king's involvement in the

26:33

building of a high speed rail in

26:35

Saudi Arabia after a Swiss

26:37

newspaper reported that when

26:39

Juan Carlos was king, he had

26:41

received a hundred million dollars

26:44

in kickbacks from the Saudi king. While

26:47

this was coming to light, the former

26:49

Spanish king literally disappeared

26:52

from the country for three

26:54

weeks, no one in the world knew

26:57

who he was. The media speculator

27:00

did that he was in the Dominican Republic or

27:02

maybe Portugal. The only

27:04

clue was an enigmatic goodbye letter

27:06

that he wrote to his son, the current

27:09

King, Philippe the sixth. Three

27:11

weeks later, after the former

27:13

king of Spain was missing for

27:15

three weeks, the Palace confirmed

27:18

his whereabouts. He

27:20

was in the United Arab Emirates,

27:22

where he remains today under self

27:25

imposed exile. Noble

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