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Welcome to Noble Blood, a production
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of I Heart Radio and Grimm and Mild
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from Aaron Miinki. Listener discretion
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is advised. In
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the year nine hundred and fifty
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seven, Olga of Kiev
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traveled to Constantinople to
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meet with the Byzantine Emperor. Olga
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was the regent leader of Kievan Russ,
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a federation of East Slavic
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tribes. Kievan Rus
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spread from the White Sea in the north
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all the way down to the Black Sea in the south,
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and its people would eventually go on to
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form Belarus, Russia and
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Ukraine. Olga
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had been married to the Grand Prince of Kiev,
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Igor, and the two had a young son,
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Sviatoslav. But Igor
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had been murdered while on tour to
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collect tributes from his tribes,
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and Sviatoslav was just in his early
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teens and nine hundred and fifty Oven and
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so until he came of age. Officially
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it was Olga who acted as regent
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as she was on this diplomatic mission
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to Constantinople. Olga
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and the people of Kievan Ruce were Pagans,
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but Constantine the Seventh, the Byzantine
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Emperor, was a Christian. He
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was also smitten with the attractive,
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sophisticated, self assured
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widow Olga, and he made
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his feelings clear when he sidled
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up next to her and said, a
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fine woman like you would make a marvelous
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empress. But Olga
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was already an autonomous ruler, and
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after the death of her husband Igor, she
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had no interest in being another man's
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wife. But she couldn't outright
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reject him, and so,
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according to a historical text known
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as the Primary Chronicle, Olga
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did something clever, something that
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many women today are familiar with.
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She tricked Constantine in
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order to spare his feelings and prevent
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the possibility of him becoming
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violent. Oh,
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Olga said, flirtatiously, Well,
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the Byzantine Empire is so wonderfully
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Christian, while back in Kievan russ
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we're all terrible pagans. Before
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I would even think of becoming empress,
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I would need to be baptized. Constantine
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was ecstatic. The very
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next day, Olga was baptized,
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and he himself stood as her
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godfather. When the ceremony
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was over, Olga wrapped herself in one
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of the many furs that she had brought with
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her on the trip. Oh, what
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a shame, she said, you being
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my Godfather now and all, and us
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not being able to get married. It would
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just feel so wrong to me, you know, me caring
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so much about your spiritual
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paternity, no hard feelings,
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Like a clever cartoon rabbit. Olga
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had escaped the too of her enemy
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through cunning, and she returned
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to kievan Rus' Christian but
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still single. Now.
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There are a few problems without folksy
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version of the story. For one,
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Constantine was already married at
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the time to a woman named Helena.
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According to Byzantine records for Olga's
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visit, Helena hosted Olga
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in her court a number of times. Olga
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actually took the Christian name Helena when
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she was baptized in the Empress's
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honor. There are also records
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that Olga had actually already become
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a Christian a few years earlier, in
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nine hundred and fifty five, and
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that her trip to Constantinople was more
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of a courtesy visit. The
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facts are that Olga visited
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Constantinople in nine hundred and fifty
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seven, that she was bestowed
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with a bevy of generous gifts,
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and that she converted to Christianity
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and then attempted to spread the good word back
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to her people. Her clever manipular
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ation of Constantine, at least
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to me, sounds apocryphal, the type
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of story you'd get from a trickster,
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Norse god, or Greek nymph, if not
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from bugs Bunny or scooby Doo.
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The primary source, also known as
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the Tale of Bygone Years where
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we get that story, is a history
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of Kievan Ruce from eight hundred and fifty
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to one thousand, one and ten.
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It's an essential document for
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scholars of East Slavs, but
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it had been rewritten by so many
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different regimes, tweaked
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through word of mouth, misinformation, or
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modified to flatter a current ruler
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that now some sections of it read
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almost like folk tales, and
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its most compelling folk hero is
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Olga, the clever, vengeful
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wife of a murdered king. Eventually,
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Olga would become a saint of the Eastern
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Orthodox Church, known as equal
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to the Apostles, for her efforts to bring
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Christian entity to her people. But
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a much more interesting story about
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Olga, in my opinion, is
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the bloody revenge she would enact
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on the people who killed her husband.
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Someone said something sometime about
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turning the other cheek, didn't they?
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Well, remember when Olga murdered
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a boatload of people and burned
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an entire village to the ground. She
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wasn't Christian yet. I'm
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Dani Schwartz and this is
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noble blood. M
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Keevan. Ruth was a loose federation
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of East Slavic tribes across
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what is now the western border of Russia,
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with a capital at the strategic hub
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of Kiev. The grand prince
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would make a yearly pilgrimage to
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collect tributes from his subordinate
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people's. In nine
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hundred and forty five BC, the
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grand prince was Igor the First,
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who ruled alongside his wife,
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the Grand Princess Olga. The
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pair already had a three year old son,
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s Viadislav, so succession
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was secure. For now. All
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Igor had to worry about in nine hundred
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and forty five was collecting his
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tributes. One of the tribes
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he collected from was the Drevillians,
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a name which literally translates
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to among the trees. The
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Drevillians lived in a resource
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rich area dense with as
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you might imagine, trees. They
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were craftsmen and workers,
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and when the terrifying Igor the First
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and his retinue came to town, to demand
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his annual tribute. They gave
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him a respectable amount of wax,
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honey, leather, and fur, and
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then returned to their wooden houses with
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the relief of not having given
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in to the temptation of spitting
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at Egor's feet. They
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had to give him tribute, but they
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didn't have to like it. As
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Igor and his retinue rode away,
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Igor got to thinking, sure,
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the honey, wax, leather, and furs
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that the Drevelands gave were nice, but
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it was a rich region. They
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barely would even feel the pinch of that. And
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they've been so insubordinate all
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but scoffing at him when he rode by.
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It was only a matter of time before they
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enacted a full out rebellion and
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pulled away from Kiev and Ruse, and
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that would be no good. Their tributes
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were an essential part of his yearly income.
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Tributes don't mean anything if the
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citizens don't feel the sacrifice.
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Maybe that's why they were becoming rebellious.
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When you think about it, it's like the dread
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Lands never gave him any tribute at all.
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There was no respect, no deference.
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They were just buying him off with a bit of
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their wealth they didn't even care about. Someone
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needed to lay down the law. Igor
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was an hour outside of is Garston,
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the principal Drevelan city, when
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he pulled his horse to a stop.
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You guys go on ahead, He called to his
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attendants, whose horses were
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slowed with the weight of all of the
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tributes they had already collected. I'm
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going to go back to Isgorston and
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get a real tribute. And
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so Igor rode back and
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met the Prince of the Drevelians, Prince
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Mall, in the town's main assembly.
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Loudly, Igor demanded
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a larger tribute. Prince
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Mall was silent for a moment. They
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had already given their tribute to Kievan
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Russ. If they just agreed
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to Egor's demands, well, where
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would it end, well,
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Igor demanded of the silent
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Prince. A wolf
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chasing a single sheep will
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eventually reach all of the sheep
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unless the wolf is killed, Prince
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Moll said. The Prince
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made a gesture with his hand, and
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Igor was captured. The
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Dreveland went to a hill in
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the woods, where they found two supple
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birch trees not too far away
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from one another. They forced
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the birches to bend down towards
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the ground, half a dozen men pulling
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with all of their strength until
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the tops of the trees grazed
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the dirt. The men secured
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the trees to the ground with rope.
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One of Igor's arms was then
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tied to each tree, and
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then the ropes securing the
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trees to the ground were cut. The
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birch trees snapped back
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up into place and ripped
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Grand Prince Igor in half.
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It was a bloody, violent
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death, but it was also a
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symbolic one. The birch
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trees were bowed. Deference
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can be safe, but if something
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is bowing under enough pressure, well
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look what happens When they decided to
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stand straight up. Twenty
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men came from Koristan in
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a single, long wooden boat to
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inform Grand Princess Olga
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that her husband was dead. Your
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husband was a wolf, they said to her,
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as they rose from their respectful greetings.
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He got what he demanded, and then he
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demanded more. But our
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prince, Prince Mal is a good
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man. You're a woman without
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a husband, and your son is
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still an infant. Marry our
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prince, mall Olga
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thought. For a moment, it was obvious
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why they wanted her to marry Prince Maul,
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to undo the domination of Kievan
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Ruce, to win back drively
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in autonomy. They had
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murdered Grand Prince Igor,
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and so they thought that they had the upper
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hand. Olga would
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let them know soon enough that they
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didn't, but she
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pretended to play along. You're
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right, she said, my husband
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isn't going to return from the dead. Let's
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let bygones be bygones. And
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of course I'll marry Prince Mal. I
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mean not like I would hold a grudge
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against the guy who just killed
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my husband. But first
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I need you to return to my court as
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honored guests, with all of the
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respect you deserve. Go back
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to your boat tonight and tomorrow
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morning i'll send a request
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for your presence. You must
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insist that you won't come to the
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castle by foot nor by horse.
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That you demand that my people carry
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you in your boat like they would carry
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you in a palanquin. It's a great
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sign of her spect here. The
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Drevelan men agreed, and
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they went back to their boat for the night.
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Meanwhile, Olga had a massive
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ditch dug inside the castle
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walls as deep as her
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servants and slaves could make it. The
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next morning, the drevelands did
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as Olga instructed. They
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demanded that they be carried to her
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court in their boat. The
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entire way there they puffed
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with pride, sitting on the rowing
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benches in the open air, wearing
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their finest robes, waving merrily
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to the miserable passers by who had
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just lost their grand prince. When
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the servants carrying the boat reached
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the trench, they threw the
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boat and all of the men inside
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it down into the hole and
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began to fill it with dirt, while
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the men shouted. Trapped beneath
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the boat, Do you
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find the honor to your taste?
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Olga asked, looking down at
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them. All twenty men
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were buried alive. Olga
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sent her own messenger to Escoraston,
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saying that she agreed to marry Prince
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Maul, but that she wanted more
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distinguished men to come. Ask her,
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you just sent common men. Don't
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I deserve high ranking envoys to
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escort me to my new husband. The
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people of kievan Rus will hardly agree
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to let me go if you don't at least
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do me that honor. She
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didn't mention that those twenty men
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were now dead in a trench. But
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soon enough a dozen distinguished
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men arrived in Kiev, all governors
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wearing their best finery. Before
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you hold court with me, Olga said,
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after she greeted them, you have to
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take a bath right this way, gentlemen,
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and not to worry, the bath house is heated.
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The gentleman agree, you believe, filed
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into the wooden bathhouse. When
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they were all inside, Olga gave
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the order for the door to be locked.
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The bathhouse was then set on fire.
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Now it was time for Olga to go on the
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offensive. Rather
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than wait for yet another group of emissaries
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to arrive from Miss Corrison, Olga
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brought her army and her three year
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old son to the city. Little
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Swiadislav was technically the grand
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Prince now, and so he was equipped
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with a tiny toddler sized
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bow and arrow, which Olga bade
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him to pull and release. The
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toddler did, but the arrow just
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teetered and then fell from his bow. But
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technically it was the first shot
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of the siege. The grand Prince
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had signaled them, and so the Kievan
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Russ army began to attack. The
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siege lasted all summer with
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very little progress. The
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city was well defended, but even
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so the Kievan Ruth's army could cut them
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off from all trade. So
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by the end of three months, the
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people inside the city were starving
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and poor, and the soldiers outside
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the city had grown impatient
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from the endless battle with no victory,
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and so Olga, reading the attitude
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of her men, signaled to the Drevelians
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that she had a message for them.
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I have forgiven you the death of my
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husband. Let us not continue
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this endless siege. You're
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hungry and we're tired, so
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it's time to move on. I
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just ask that you prepare great
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quantities of meat on the
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hill where you killed my husband, so
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that I can properly celebrate his life
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and weep over his grave. The
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Drevelans readily agreed
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and set out all of their best meat for Olga
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and the Kievan Ruth's army. While
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they waited for them to arrive, the Drevelans
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began to drink. Olga
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and her army waited. When
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the Drevelians were drunk and passed
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out on the hill, she and
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her men ambushed and
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massacred their army.
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The siege was over, and Olga
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had won but she wasn't done yet.
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Okay, she said, all of this
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began because you wouldn't pay tribute.
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If you give me a tribute, I'll go back
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to Kiev tomorrow and the siege
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will be over for good scouts
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on her. If the Peanuts
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cartoon had existed in nine hundred
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forty five, I imagine she
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would have looked a little like Lucy holding
16:43
of football. Yes,
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the Drevelands cried, anything, please,
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we have honey and furs. What
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do you want for your tribute? Olga
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smiled a kind, wide
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smile that didn't quite
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reach her eyes. Your
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people are impoverished by
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the siege, she said, I
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know that, and so I'm going to take mercy
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on you. All I want
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is three pigeons and three sparrows
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from each house no more. The
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Drevelans rejoiced. Every
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household gathered the requisite birds
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and gave them to Olga, who, true
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to her word, took their offering and
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headed out of town. But
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that night she embarked on
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her final revenge. She
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had her army attached a tiny
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piece of sulfur to each bird's
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leg, bound by a long
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piece of cloth. When
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she gave the signal, the sulfur
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dangling from each bird was the lit
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on fire, and then the birds
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were a leased into the sky. Pigeons
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and sparrows, you might know, are
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extremely good at being able to
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find their way home. The
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birds all flew back to their nests
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in the eaves of roofs, nestled
18:04
near houses, and all of
18:06
escorsed and caught fire. Within
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hours, the entire city,
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built mainly of wood, had burnt
18:14
to the ground and become ashes.
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As people fled to the burning city,
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Olga gave orders to capture them.
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They were either killed outright or
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gifted as slaves to her loyal kievan
18:27
Ruth soldiers. Prince
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Mal was killed, and from
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nine dty six on there
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was never another problem with the dreve
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Llans being able to pay their tribute into
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Olga's treasury.
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If some of that story sounds apocryphal
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to you, you're probably right. Homing
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birds are a staple in Scandinavian
18:53
folklore, and Olga's
18:55
clever tricks, one after another, sound
18:58
more like myth than reality.
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She even nailed the rule of threes. One
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detail that sounds made up. That the
19:06
evil prince is named Prince Mal
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Latin for bad, isn't
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it actually is true that was his name.
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Here's what else We know for sure. That
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Igor attempted to extort additional
19:19
revenue from the Dravelans, and
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that when he returned, they murdered him
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and his widow, Olga led a successful
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revenge campaign against them.
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Later, Olga would convert to Christianity,
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the first Kievan Ruce royal to do
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so, and for her efforts
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to bring Christianity to the East Slavs,
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she would be made a saint in fifteen
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forty seven by the Russian Orthodox
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Church and then the Roman Catholic
19:48
Church. Olga is the saint
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of widows and converts. Her
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grandson, Vladimir, would actually succeed
19:56
in bringing Christianity to Kievan Rus
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and he was made a saint too. In
20:01
fact, the only church in the United States
20:03
named after St. Vladimir and Olga is
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in Chicago, where I happened to be recording
20:08
this episode. Any specifics
20:11
of the raid against the Drevelans and their deaths,
20:13
clever or otherwise, are lost
20:16
in that mist of unknowable history
20:18
that's been made soft and around by
20:20
centuries of retelling. I
20:23
imagine if in the end the Drevelans
20:25
had come out on top, and it was their sources
20:28
we were reading. The story
20:30
would be more about a brutal, extortionist
20:33
king and a brave people
20:35
who stood up to him and then nobly
20:37
extended their arms out to his widow,
20:40
only for her to enact a series
20:42
of saw style murders
20:44
on those good, generous common
20:47
people in her wicked fury.
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I can tell you that the Drevelans probably
20:52
wouldn't have made her a saint. That's
21:01
the story of Olga of Kiev. But
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keep listening after a brief sponsor break
21:05
to hear a bit more about her politics. While
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she was regent, like
21:19
any good ruler, Olga of Kiev
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understood that to truly avenge her
21:23
husband's death, it wasn't enough
21:25
just to punish the people responsible.
21:29
She also had to undo the circumstances
21:31
that made his death possible in the
21:34
first place. Olga
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established what can be considered the first
21:38
internal revenue service in Russia.
21:42
She abolished the annual trip
21:44
by the Kievan Prince to collect
21:46
his tributes from various tribes.
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Instead, she built a system
21:51
in which the land was divided into
21:53
districts, and each district
21:56
had their taxes collected by an
21:58
authorized board or or agent.
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Olga would then go from district
22:03
to district personally to get
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the payments from that agent. She
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traveled by sleigh covered
22:11
in as many furs as possible.
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You have to make an impression during
22:16
these sorts of things, just so everyone
22:19
knows you mean business. Although
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with Olga, I can't imagine anyone
22:24
ever forgot. One
22:28
final note for anyone who
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hears the story of Olga of Kiev
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and is tempted to paint her as a
22:35
quote badass warrior queen
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with multiple exclamation points, remember
22:41
that she didn't really participate in any
22:43
of the fighting. She was
22:45
a general, if anything else, a leader
22:47
and orchestrator. Her own
22:49
mythology is to emphasize
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her cleverness. There's
22:54
no need to paint all women in history
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who have some modicum of power with
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the exact same brush.
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