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music Hello

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welcome to episode 173 of the no clip crew cast Danny's

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here, Jeremy's here, Frank's here, who

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else is here? Who knows? Do

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you believe in ghosts Jeremy Jane?

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No, I had a ghost encounter when I was

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a child, but I think it was my child

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brain just tricking me I lived in a house

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in Massachusetts from the 1700s. Oh, yeah.

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It used to be like an old like

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Sunday's house. Who was a witch's house?

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And I heard like old

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like old timey voices coming from the closet

1:04

when I was a child like yelling at

1:06

each other. What did they tell you? I don't

1:08

know, I couldn't understand them. Maybe they were

1:11

trying to warn me about other ghosts, malevolent

1:13

ghosts. They were saying your son is

1:15

a son is playing too many video

1:17

games. No, he's not. I

1:20

need to get fresh air and exercise. Frank,

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how ghostly is

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your day going? Have you had any ghosts come visit

1:29

you today? Yeah, I tried last

1:31

night. The craziest thing I had three different

1:33

ghosts come. One was like the past, one

1:36

was from the present. It was

1:38

nuts. Wow, were they four months

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late? Yeah. You

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know, they got caught in traffic. Their flights got

1:45

cancelled. So it's been crazy. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

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COVID was rough on ghosts with the

1:51

lack of flights, you know, because that's the thing you

1:53

don't realize that ghosts while they

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are sort of like they don't they don't

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subscribe to most of the corporeal. lessons

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or rules that we do, they

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can't just like fucking transport themselves. They have

2:05

to get on, they have to sneak on

2:07

airplanes. Yeah. They have to

2:09

hope that someone misses their flight so they can take the

2:11

empty seats. Like the seats aren't actually empty. That's, you know.

2:14

Or the dead heads, the pilots, the pilots dead head

2:16

seat. That's why it's called that. It's because ghosts usually

2:18

sit there. Um, or Jerry Garcia.

2:20

It's the ghost of Jerry Garcia. That's great. Grace.

2:22

Good to know. Uh, speaking

2:25

of ghosts, all of these people

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will die, but right now they

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are, our wonderful battle pass holders,

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massive thanks to Harry Flanagan, battle

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royale games, Arno, Richard

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Matheson, James Brown, Mark

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Rojas, Ryan Cobb, Tucker

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Morgan, Crimson Cyclist, Sven

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Huster, Pez, Tim Robinson,

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Eric Hamilton, Schneider. I'm

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in lad. He's going to live forever. Zachary

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Snader, Alex Sharp, Alex Goucher,

2:52

George Zukotis, Jacob Godserve, Tohia

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Teliev and Rycen. Thank you all so much

2:57

for your incredible support. We

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are working on a bucket

3:02

shed load of documentaries over here at the moment. Some

3:04

of which we can tell you about some of which

3:06

we can't. We'll probably talk about them a little while.

3:08

I don't know why we talk. Sometimes I'm never quite

3:10

sure what we've told the patrons, why we told these.

3:13

I almost put the thing that I'm editing in the doc and

3:15

I was like, I don't want to force Danny's hand if we

3:18

haven't talked about it. I feel like, okay, let's, let's open with

3:20

that. We're going to talk about a lot of games. So we're

3:22

going to talk about Hades two. We're going to talk about fall

3:24

at 76. Um, it

3:26

is complete happenstance that they are also

3:28

the only two documentaries we have ever

3:30

done on previews of games. Uh,

3:33

so that is good. And also like

3:35

one of the documentaries basically made the

3:38

format for the other documentary, but we'll talk about that

3:40

later. So we are going to talk about those in

3:42

a second, but yeah, the one year editing at

3:44

the moment is a project that I was trying to do

3:46

last year for a long time. And we got one interview

3:48

for it. And then I had a bunch of other people

3:51

set up for these other interviews and

3:53

they just kept canceling or ghosting.

3:55

And I just couldn't get it done. And

3:57

I still haven't gotten those other interviews done, but in the

3:59

meantime, I was like, let's just use that

4:01

one interview. Like that, there's enough there for

4:04

me, I think, to, to, for,

4:06

for me to be interested in, in

4:08

getting that stuff out. The game is

4:10

wipeout 2097 or wipe at XL

4:12

as it's known in the U S or I

4:15

guess the larger wipeout series. And the interview is

4:17

with cold storage, who is the guy who did

4:19

all the sound design

4:22

for those games and also put together

4:24

the soundtrack for those games. He wrote

4:26

a bunch of songs, but he was

4:28

involved in like the process of them

4:30

getting, you know, like fire starter and

4:33

like orbital tracks and future sounds of London

4:35

and all that sort of stuff. So

4:37

the documentary was supposed to be about wipeout 2097. It's supposed to

4:39

be an episode of greatest hits. Hasn't

4:42

we haven't managed to get it together,

4:44

but we're going to put together a

4:46

video about basically the music and sound

4:48

of wipeout, which is arguably the thing

4:50

that people sort of that individuals obviously

4:52

are the stuff that people vibe with

4:54

the most. So yeah, you've

4:56

been cutting that one up for the past week or

4:58

so. Yeah. Yeah. It's

5:01

been super interesting. Not only because I am a

5:03

nerd about music stuff, but also I like,

5:06

I'm aware of the wipeout games, but I guess I

5:08

kind of like, I didn't realize the

5:10

cultural niche that they fit into was kind of

5:12

this bizarre, like mid nineties

5:14

UK rave scene thing. I

5:17

knew that was the music, but I guess I didn't realize that

5:20

there's like one of the interesting things about it is

5:22

the print ads that they ran of two people with

5:24

like nose bleeds looking all fucked up. Like they just

5:26

got back from the club and they did too much

5:28

ketamine or something. And

5:31

that was controversial, which is funny. It's funny that

5:33

that's controversial because this was the era when you'd

5:35

have like a, like a rated E for everyone

5:37

game boy game in the print ad and Nintendo

5:40

power would be like, Hey kid,

5:42

want to get your dick sucked? And you'd be like, what the

5:44

fuck is this? Like

5:46

a buccum lady holding up the game boy in

5:48

between her breasts. Yeah, I Don't understand how this

5:50

is more controversial. I Guess drugs and sex have

5:53

a weird relationship to it. I Think in the

5:55

UK, there was a bit of a sort of

5:57

like the satanic panic thing. There was a sort

5:59

of a. Like a pill. Like.

6:01

Drugs Zoc are teenagers are dying as are

6:03

taking too much ecstasy like I think I

6:05

was that which dice I don't think they

6:08

were. I think that was the barracks sorry.

6:10

I mean that there is funny because this

6:12

is an area of weird expertise for me.

6:14

There everly like were deaths from ecstasy and

6:16

that era but it's gotten so much fucking

6:18

worse. Like exurbs so much more tainted. so

6:20

really is a what it's is fine how

6:22

are easy. The. Eyes you read about people

6:24

and that I've I've just that of curiosity on

6:26

my off hours when looked up some like forums about

6:29

people talking about ecstasy and as they just like you're

6:31

out because he mentions a it like in the interview

6:33

read it sees as it like I saw the

6:35

other one of the clubs as he was into club

6:37

music which is also my favorite. part of the doc

6:40

is that he likes of guy fucking hate all have

6:42

you looked at the time and. So

6:45

they like to go to the clubs at

6:47

her, initiate him in so he could see

6:49

understands the hype of it and he's like

6:51

I was like with calabar like no not

6:53

drinking tonight. They. Like okay as a

6:55

second third. a little tablets said like i didn't

6:57

do it but it was like arrow not doing

7:00

that. And. I any of this like aha

7:02

moment where Eclipse for him like was appealing about

7:04

this type of music but I'm. But. It

7:06

is interesting because when you read about people who

7:08

are nostalgic for the ecstasy of that day they

7:10

talk about it is like the strongest in Pure.

7:12

As private as I'm going back and looking up

7:14

things from back then their lights it's like you

7:17

never know what you're damned if like so dangerous

7:19

and as the is very odd. How like the

7:21

I said the Sands of Time of kind of

7:23

like. Seems. To the I mean I

7:25

guess has has only gotten worse says the time.

7:27

it probably seemed to carry a balance. advice only

7:30

that it even know I said no was on

7:32

the scene and stuff. yeah we're just like all

7:34

of that. One night on those white does do

7:36

is fly with at that. He talks with the

7:38

hackers stuff as well right there was like a

7:41

house that like a game in the hackers. the

7:43

kind of looks a little bit like wipers yes

7:45

and it was like a sort of a tech

7:47

demo thing that they had said that they gave

7:50

them and that's that's part of the you know

7:52

hackers is very far from what was going on

7:54

in the Uk rape scene. but like that the

7:56

is is it's almost like the sort of like

7:58

American version or like. A different version of

8:01

a spurs and why bad exists in there to

8:03

wear and it's one of things I wish we

8:05

could do is is talks you like designers are

8:07

public like the guy runs as eyes. Republic is

8:09

one person I was trying to get hold of

8:11

for wilde. says. It is it is.

8:13

It is a busy dude am app but

8:15

like the whole luck of the game at

8:17

the logos the the box ours all that

8:19

stuff is like it definitely was just very

8:21

cool and and and then it was also

8:24

like. A. Snake. It was a

8:26

three D game on a new three the

8:28

console and it was just so fast like

8:30

it's just getting It looked crazy and ever

8:32

danced with like. Fire. Starter was

8:34

playing and you were shooting rockets and shares

8:36

like I was like that what is this

8:38

if it's amazing yeah up One of my

8:40

favorite other act as he tells us that

8:43

when they were conceiving of the game songs

8:45

and the crew was playing Mario Kart with

8:47

the sound off his and as listening to

8:49

Run Me I was at he was like

8:51

what is this is like way faster another

8:54

desolate successor Best origin story get a moderately

8:56

eradicate That's exactly as I went back and

8:58

played the they they meant because in a

9:00

summary of Eric absence of but it's also

9:02

grandma or carts and. I and while I

9:04

was playing and I recorded sound Bites her

9:06

might be just that it has blasted some

9:09

fuck is dropping effects to an autopsy. I

9:11

literally, well today tix and so it's I

9:13

had I not a good point. So this

9:15

is this is going to be a weird

9:17

documentary for us because we're almost certainly. Going.

9:20

To get copyright stricken on this one on

9:22

you tube or we don't know what's gonna

9:24

happen. Will tested before and but at the

9:26

very least they're going to plaster nods. Probably

9:29

they might mute stuff and also we might

9:31

get blocked or geo blocked. So what's probably

9:33

going to happen? Is that we're going

9:35

to put this up on our patriarch. It might

9:37

be for patrons only We haven't figured it out.

9:39

Yes there's also that opens the door for us

9:41

doing may be a bigger why bed.down the line

9:43

at some stage where not quite sure the out

9:45

the other alternative is a we can make it

9:47

available for. Free patrons which means Audi.to do

9:49

is hit the beyond the by any you can

9:51

become a free have no cap and basically puts you

9:54

on a on a mailing list and we give you

9:56

updates on what's what's going on with stuff you don't

9:58

put in a credit card details. You just

10:00

have to have a patriotic and takes two seconds and

10:02

then you're free. Beta said that we may have to

10:04

do it that way as well to put it behind.

10:07

Some. Sort of wall am but we

10:09

haven't cross that bridge. Yes, so

10:11

that's there. Because. The

10:14

alternative is you do one on the music

10:16

of why bad me don't pay any the

10:18

music and that is completely pointless. If all

10:20

your that were to tell Kevin Macleod says

10:22

this out, we're sites. Will I love Canada

10:24

Flower or the twenty people that represent the

10:26

Kevin Macleod pseudonym or whatever the I am.

10:28

But yeah we want summer. I

10:31

wanted apps all on their own son. I want

10:33

some of those I put our lives as spoil

10:35

the surprise knife with dub. Guess that in there.

10:39

As I know you love. Oh

10:41

my god I specifically but it because I know

10:43

you like that's like it was. It was out

10:45

on that subject for the first wife and is

10:47

now Madame. You guys have a psycho receive a

10:49

rhythm and south. Oh God less the

10:52

old Bls. The old are probably my favorite

10:54

dance. At duo or dogs

10:56

act of that era. Fucking.

10:59

Dub Garces. Gets out

11:01

for good albums to isn't a good albums good

11:03

odds were like idea buck there's one less oh

11:05

Seung a one of them I forget which yeah

11:07

I'm guessing words may be a something now. remember

11:09

what? As I can check my files there's the

11:12

I pulled all the the left field and orbital

11:14

stuff. It's a weird one. It's not Africa Sharks

11:16

or Etti are the ones you did expect. Maybe

11:18

the no I didn't pull a bunch of live

11:20

footage of them for that because there's this is

11:22

another weird at it because he can't just like

11:25

showed generic less. We thought you are going to

11:27

stand on stage with left field he gave the

11:29

lake and here's the game. Like it's irrelevant.

11:31

Ah yes, I've all of us ally

11:33

for his and there was a great

11:36

moment where I'm it was plagued month

11:38

and like Glastonbury or something. but that

11:40

was again ad or performance and they're

11:43

aware that Lucky Workplace as right Africa

11:45

shocks that Amazon. Yeah. They might

11:47

have been aftershocks. Maybe it isn't the whatever

11:49

has africa the title because there has to

11:51

the lights, easy announcers between acts and the

11:53

guys like snap wouldn't it have been great

11:55

if as a combat bottom and play with

11:57

a day the for I simply things on

11:59

our. Zoc the A are he doesn't know

12:01

us I thought the guy was just making a

12:03

loose workplace or even I don't get out for

12:06

the Africa thing as I thought he was area

12:08

I didn't other diseases his of get at least

12:10

way where new things he things on there on

12:12

the single the are among all on the yeah

12:14

yeah ethical see I only know left field through.

12:16

This is literally the only type of ever listen

12:18

to. Let the others When you and I were

12:20

driving through L A and you're like Oprah next

12:22

album ever we blasted. So good to know Roots

12:24

maneuvered all day I he's on of opening righty

12:27

things on it off that on the opening track

12:29

exec I love or. It's Witness the Fitness

12:31

Man. So that I guess this is

12:33

why you're the only person. You're like

12:35

the only person in the world who

12:37

can. Added this because it's about like

12:39

fuckin' weird you're owed. Did drum and

12:42

bass and and house music and video

12:44

games developments. It's like this is this

12:46

and we'll hire me. Jane's fuckin' Venn

12:48

diagram a Low Fat Silvers. Exactly. Yeah,

12:50

exactly. Holy shit. Anyway, so albums common?

12:52

What else we're working on? We're working

12:55

on a. As a dwarf Fortress

12:57

Doc is, I got loads of it on

12:59

this week so is maybe seventy percent along

13:01

at this stage it's bc I think I

13:03

might split into three episodes because it that

13:06

they are so dense that I feel like

13:08

you and they are so distinct that I

13:10

feel like you need to. you know you

13:12

need to do separately. like the first thirty

13:15

minutes is about everything leading up to them.

13:17

Stars like putting at the First or Fortress.

13:20

Downloads. The second one is

13:22

all about dwarf fortress. third one is

13:24

all about sort of the medical staff,

13:26

though. The. Pastry on the

13:28

one point. Oh, and since then

13:30

as well am. So it

13:33

feels like suited least the man off

13:35

like a glove, maybe longer a hyper

13:37

light breaker. Episode three as as pretty

13:39

much done am I'm just making some

13:41

last minute am tweets. Are

13:43

based on feedback from the studio I was

13:46

get them to do a a pass for

13:48

accuracy and as a couple of bits and

13:50

bobs like are wrong am in my view.

13:52

Oh and stuff so I'm I'm I'm six

13:54

not stuff up. As by thirty

13:56

minutes long said I should be up for

13:58

or access patrons and next a while in

14:00

any other one. I'm. Not sure

14:03

we're talking about. we recorded this

14:05

week. it's really Gods were great

14:07

Interview with it was an indie

14:09

studio. The made one of. Last.

14:11

Year's most celebrated as indie

14:14

games. Crude. From from

14:16

the Southern Hemisphere. A

14:18

Clues are Pilates or what? or

14:20

how? harder to think this exactly

14:23

as. You. Could say it's

14:25

like a game. Where about like. The.

14:27

Water and that would still you'd

14:29

still have to things which one

14:31

it was. Because. Because.

14:34

Other water games came as. You.

14:36

Know like Waterworld? Sam? And

14:39

they were great. They supplied us with

14:41

it and up an absolute metric shit

14:43

ton of developments as video and assets

14:45

as well. We're going out Grace and.

14:48

And stuff on Australia so look for that. I

14:50

will tell tell our patrons that agreement Have already

14:53

told The Mirror we're planning on doing it for

14:55

Gdc. Were planning on recording that one. In

14:57

person and then because of my medical

15:00

stuff we can do not some even

15:02

remotely at this week and they were

15:04

fantastic Am. Elder Char as

15:06

well or just truck that went in there.

15:08

Now you know which of the water in deep

15:11

games of us? must you flip orthodox on

15:13

know clip in the next next couple of months?

15:21

Or as a sudden, my video games As

15:23

a game that I played a lot of

15:25

years ago. And. Then.

15:28

We. Put out a documentary of our before.

15:30

we this and has had a tumultuous time.

15:32

shall we say? If you pre race it

15:35

as as having a bit of a second

15:37

life, it's not that I'm also. Sin.

15:40

Because of the at the new Tv

15:42

show Fall And seventy Six to seventy

15:44

six for like an asset in twenty

15:46

seventy Six Three hundred years after. That

15:49

the American try? Centennial? of course. What

15:52

is? So you guys jumped in. Frank

15:54

and Jeremy Both dead At Frank. let's

15:56

go, it's you. First of all, have

15:58

you ever play. Seventy Six. Like

16:01

what? What made you jump in and have

16:03

you been experiencing beautiful West Virginia? Yeah so

16:05

far Seventy Six A I was gonna things

16:07

I'm I've got back in the fall for

16:09

the few months ago like before the show

16:11

came out. ah fall of for the i

16:13

talked about on the bike as to go

16:15

like one of those big back or games

16:17

I never played. I. Got to

16:19

the point with Fall for Him before I I beat

16:21

the game and enjoy all the dlc where I was

16:23

like okay think I'm done with this game but I

16:26

still want to try Fall Out. So I downloaded seventy

16:28

six. And. I was immediately overwhelmed by

16:30

like the character creator, the options a special,

16:32

the per cards, all this stuff. And

16:34

I bounce off it. Went back to fall for. Then

16:37

we watch the show and of like ah

16:39

shit on play, more fallout and so ah

16:41

yeah are on the same time. I heard

16:44

everyone's Hakimullah Yes seventy sixes started explodes. People

16:46

are talking about it. I have a tutor

16:48

from friends who have. Basically

16:50

spent their lives in followed seventy six of I

16:52

Know you. They can care me or give me

16:54

resources or whatever. And. So I get

16:56

another shot this week and it finally

16:58

like grabbed me the yeah and so

17:00

I'm playing it on Psn with his

17:02

i think it was included on both

17:04

game Past Psn steam they had a

17:06

giant follow sale with everything so. They

17:09

father six was like and of ten bucks is

17:11

pretty pretty cheap on the seems sore and so

17:13

was it from i crazy and thinking it was

17:15

free to play for the Walder. Office.

17:18

Or might I might be completely wrong on that. I

17:20

must not closer Now In Iraq gone Saigon?

17:22

Yeah, no Se. so I'm diving into it

17:24

immediately. I will say it's kind of. Is.

17:27

It feels like any time you dive into

17:29

Alamo. That said, years of updates is overwhelming

17:31

the amount of stuff there is because I'm

17:33

trying to delineate like I have what is

17:36

the original like main story paying the offenders

17:38

like the way slanders Dlc which added and

17:40

Pcs which is a success like charming and

17:42

fun. Yeah and then there's like. I

17:44

just got to depart Worth like I want to

17:47

go Atlantic City. Hop aboard and away. That's like

17:49

the newest stuff. And

17:51

then there's daily events. Is it? There's so

17:53

much stuff happening. But after spending like fifteen

17:55

hours or so, I'm like, okay, I'm certified

17:58

a full of this game and. Very

18:00

relaxing and the same way that like

18:02

during quarantine. I played. Maybe. One

18:04

Hundred Hours of Destiny Years before. It's a World

18:06

of Warcraft Fall fancy and I really like. Oh,

18:08

I haven't been playing and ammo in so long,

18:11

but the reason I'm enjoying this game is actually

18:13

a tweet by Davao Sri. whom. That something

18:15

like. Yeah. But the real secret? Seventy

18:17

six as as the great single player came out

18:19

and say made with seventy six thinking like I

18:21

did a study that for friends at the ready

18:23

like hell divers like no real playing it by

18:26

yourself. It's so com and gentle that's like the

18:28

Gourley before you pick a bunch of site. it's

18:30

like it's like a for hot. That's all fine.

18:32

What does that was nuts again or a way

18:34

of putting that are literally what I wrote my

18:36

know it's Earth's yeah, that's like cool thought that

18:38

amount overwhelmed. I've also don't feel like there's any

18:41

quest that's going to be like an hour like

18:43

in Fallout Four. I love that their requests were

18:45

like go into this factory. And two hours of

18:47

like Och and as the and out and

18:49

he has balls enough like thirty. If you

18:51

big conversation choices with Mp, see them and

18:54

like that it's as fun but like. Were.

18:56

Seventy six. It's like every mission max six,

18:58

maybe ten minutes. And and you can

19:00

hardly fast travel back to your home base.

19:02

Dumb stuff Off the lives is great. Because.

19:05

It's been out for so long, is sealed pretty

19:07

easy and a sense of like players are running

19:09

around if you want to group up with them.

19:12

If. People are pretty generous like this every

19:14

train station have like donation boxes are people are

19:16

just dumping stuff as as money for like newcomers

19:18

and now the thing of kind of hooky me

19:20

as kind of same thing with like vow hammer

19:22

minecraft. Is. Yeah every any

19:24

time you jump into a server people have

19:27

their base camp and people than playing this

19:29

game for years have the most elaborate insane

19:31

like houses or camps. Meanwhile mine thing was

19:33

like I have my camp is like when

19:35

I played power old or even if like

19:37

okay have the cooking pot though, the weapon

19:39

bench, the repair bench, the bed and that

19:42

the if like the both facing craps but

19:44

I'm seeing other people build stuff. I'm like

19:46

wait a minute Okay I started the appeals.

19:48

It's fun to poke around. It's

19:51

really fun and relaxing and again, I'm going

19:53

in with no expectations. I voided seventy six

19:55

when it came out ahead banal problems. Although

19:57

you know, yeah just

19:59

it fell the empty I think was

20:01

the biggest problem with as I like

20:04

my my frustration with seventy six. Or.

20:06

At least like the sort of broad reaction

20:08

actually may be too. I proceeded with the

20:10

game and also the reaction to it's I

20:13

think I talked a lot about like how

20:15

I my sort of objective way of loving

20:17

games are subjective way of living games as

20:19

I read the like exploring maps and. I.

20:21

Can get away with us for a long

20:23

time and really enjoy us. And seventy six

20:25

I'd adding them up and seventy sixes absolutely

20:27

fantastic. Like I really the so much interesting

20:29

stuff in there is a lot of variety

20:32

of aziz greener than you're used to seeing

20:34

a lot of for like games with vendors

20:36

that the windy meant in a stuffed as

20:38

that You know that the sort of destroyed

20:40

stuff the have in the south. Ah

20:42

I just loved exploring us and and I will

20:44

I I I like the big missions way up

20:46

the stealth and do all that sort of stuff.

20:48

but you can't do it in a live game

20:51

like that. You can do it on an online

20:53

game. it's just and is somebody could just come

20:55

in and kill you at a time you can

20:57

save so yet been having a having a world

20:59

that sort of balance the quests our interesting. it's

21:02

especially the started just didn't have them it does

21:04

very. Collect. Pipes ruined parts

21:06

like the whole thing that's am whereas I

21:08

just liked walking around so I was doing a

21:10

lot of the jobs, a lot of the

21:12

quests basically just so I could get enough resources

21:14

psyche keep exploring the map and to me

21:16

that was enough the to me that was actually

21:19

or of really satisfying The raiders us I

21:21

know but a somewhat satisfying that. I

21:23

liked old a nuclear bomb stuff. I found

21:25

that really interesting am when that when they

21:28

launched as much as when wasteland as got

21:30

added laid they they launched. I had the

21:32

Mpc stuff in an added a bit more.

21:35

Like. Soul to the experience. Before that it

21:37

felt very much like of. Like.

21:39

A pub g map or something. or foreign Imap.

21:41

It felt like a. A. Play a

21:43

game. You. Mean, kind of like that

21:46

they were talking about with the follow tv

21:48

show. Or sometimes it felt like there was

21:50

a bit of theme parks seven that the

21:52

seventy six map sometimes felt. Like. Sometimes

21:54

it's not really real access you when you entered

21:56

the like abandons. Towns and stuff. I

21:58

thought like that stuff was. So well done

22:00

and and way more atmospheric then you get even

22:02

in Fallout Four. Like? I wonder what it's like

22:05

playing this game for a while and going back

22:07

of one? I for like. The. Phone for

22:09

some great like. Parts in Us and

22:11

that Boston's on wound diamond cities already. Wow!

22:13

and. Bits and bobs here

22:15

and there. But the something about I

22:17

don't know the something about Seventy Six

22:19

wasteland that is that I really really

22:21

connect when I love that it's and

22:23

has the sparse i'm on my own,

22:26

know when the fuck is around here

22:28

ness of three and ah, New Vegas

22:30

but with density in detail like the

22:32

you don't get in those games because

22:34

their just deserts. Jeremy. What it?

22:36

what have you made of us? Act as a guide your

22:38

like as. You're. You're more into the

22:40

older followed does we have not played ball

22:42

Air Force a distance of dismissed Been a

22:44

real weird jump to this game. Kind of

22:46

plays a lot like Fire for and I

22:48

exactly bus terms of the controller in the

22:50

menu not stop It's it's in the same

22:53

sort of ballpark. Yeah, it's weird. It's like.

22:55

I. Feel like I had to. Get.

22:58

Used to it is I would describe as I

23:00

thought it had no way rest rights like someone

23:02

took me to the top as restaurant knows like

23:04

what's top of like your seats and they can

23:06

bring out little tiny place and like our windows.

23:09

The entree guy I'm really consider ah drive but

23:11

as a kind of settle into it ah I've

23:13

I've been appreciating more and see I kind of

23:15

was like I was waiting for. The.

23:17

Golden Path to feel more grandiose kind of

23:19

blow up more. Or if like Frank said,

23:21

I kind of feel like I'm just doing.

23:24

A lot of little side quests and stuff but

23:26

ah, as as I've come to appreciate that flavor

23:28

more a thing of them, do enjoy or because

23:30

it kind of his just. Go.

23:33

Adventure with your friends and is a bunch of

23:35

stuff to do in this world but it in

23:37

my mind of follow game like even not even

23:39

like follow on until but even like that like

23:41

three in New Vegas or kind of the my

23:43

ones that are most prevalent my experience am. I.

23:46

Am so used to having. Like.

23:48

An overarching goal and that's kind of dead

23:51

thing into his everything else has cast and

23:53

really for it's like I have to do

23:55

this for emitter as and back to go

23:57

back to Vegas. I gotta go back to

23:59

this. And it's interesting.

24:01

Just gonna be like out there are a

24:03

does remind me of playing emos as a

24:05

kid with my friends were numb. Like

24:08

made my best replaced our galaxy's with as

24:10

a kid we would armed are but we've

24:12

been a whole blink summer where we were just

24:14

place our galaxy's and then we would like

24:16

stop for the day and we go out

24:18

with hike in the woods and a whole

24:20

time we're out the woods with high ground talking

24:22

about Star Wars Galaxies are at dusk. Is

24:25

excellent over the coming of age

24:27

revered season and then have either

24:29

as A.keys and let the be

24:31

guy didn't marry for movies with

24:33

the I exactly and. Know,

24:35

but it's like. It was kind

24:38

of this weird thing where I remembered that

24:40

experience very very kind of like seamlessly

24:42

as it was like hiking the woods and

24:44

playing in Mm out they were both dislike

24:46

me and my buddy walking around. it is

24:49

by like just adventure that's fine Only me

24:51

and I like that that census play silvery

24:53

intermingle and as a kid I think that

24:56

that's why I was attracted to video games

24:58

in the first place was like a

25:00

sense of adventure and having like of of

25:02

a digital place to explore notice the as

25:04

a sneaking through the cow fields access. The

25:07

woods Behind them. So yeah

25:09

no it's I think as they come to

25:11

appreciate that element of Followed Seventy Six that

25:13

it's like a virtual place with a bunch

25:15

of immersion kind of little adventures to have

25:17

our car. I've come to appreciate it more.

25:20

And yeah because that's the thing that a

25:22

nice leave for these for it's in For

25:24

me was that when you go into the

25:26

the Quests segments kind of his third party

25:28

leader in the party leader and of initiate

25:30

that goes in and. Year. Can adjust

25:33

their hanging out and if you want to progress it

25:35

on your quest log you have to go in separately

25:37

and if he did on your own. Ah,

25:39

Ok so at first I was like oh that

25:41

kind of such as light I'm just going after

25:43

like the could those either have to watch every

25:46

segment twice at or of this is like this.

25:48

The entirety of have been so far has been

25:50

either have to ah to twice or accepted rely

25:52

on someone else to be the quest log manager.

25:55

Okay really only thing I was like china like

25:57

okay we'll so I don't get the have a

25:59

story grant or at every stories for his twice

26:01

by eyes. I think there's there's less pressure on

26:03

that element of the game to be kind of

26:06

the meat and potatoes of it. I think it's

26:08

more about the grand adventure so I've come to

26:10

appreciate it. It's a funny game

26:12

because it does feel like it's gonna call

26:14

between two worlds and you have to going

26:16

to meet us yeah or something out you

26:18

know. Which I think when players have expectations

26:21

of what they wanted like I understand I

26:23

understand the reaction to the game am I

26:25

think there were some people who were never

26:27

going to like this game as which I

26:29

totally understand because it's it's a. Be.

26:31

No, I didn't play much of this game either way. get like when it

26:33

came out of they did a bunch and then. I

26:35

dropped off in a never played the game you know

26:38

I built my base. I did a bunch of next

26:40

point them off once none of like or the comes

26:42

on and seal. Whereas the other games I feel like

26:44

I've gone back to a lot of I've enjoyed them.

26:46

A loss. am. And maybe it's

26:48

maybe it's the communication maybe I member

26:50

when our it's funny because our documentary

26:53

it's sort of like. Pointed.

26:55

Out as the one know club thing

26:57

that we'd kind of dropped tonally we

27:00

dropped the ball on totally and it's

27:02

really and I them I'd I'd probably

27:04

come across overly defensive on us ice

27:06

I think. There were. The

27:09

way we approach this I think. Was.

27:12

Or the way I approach the production of it

27:14

in the script. Writing on us was. Aged

27:17

like fuckin milken in the desert

27:19

when the game came as a

27:21

ham. And I totally appreciate us. and

27:23

without. and I'm one of the things that Wheeler or

27:25

I learned definitely which we kind of already knew on

27:28

a lot of the the stuff we're doing. which is

27:30

a we wanted to stop to be as evergreen as

27:32

possible. we wanted it. So if you watch this. Before.

27:35

The game came hours or. Two

27:37

months after again came out of ten

27:40

years after game came out that the

27:42

context of when this is is so

27:44

a parents that it's it's an evergreen

27:46

thing am. And then the other thing.

27:49

We. Learned or I learned in

27:51

that process was to nos

27:53

talk about features that aren't

27:55

finished. Yes, and they were

27:58

talking optimistically Of course, By

28:00

what they were trying to get in this game

28:02

for launch an the fuckin launch window for this

28:04

game where that the last couple of months they

28:06

didn't guess a lot of what they wanted in

28:08

there. So. When the Haiti series came

28:11

along it was like okay we know what

28:13

to do. Don't talk about anything that's not

28:15

in this episode. Don't talk about what they're

28:17

working on Next on, talk about what they

28:19

are hoping the game will be because you

28:21

can do that in a studio is everyone

28:23

at the studio in everyone in video games

28:26

now is that sometimes you don't fucking get

28:28

everything in the game or something. Breaks are

28:30

you have to refine as or whatever it

28:32

is but in the way in the way

28:34

we should stuff where it's so like high

28:36

production value. It. Just communiques

28:38

is it is wrong? am? I also feel

28:41

like if you want to know why that

28:43

game was broken so much at launch, there

28:45

is no better. Investigation.

28:47

Into vast that are documentary cause it's

28:49

limbed Liberty talking about. We.

28:51

Have this old engine that does

28:53

not work for multiplayer. Entire game

28:55

is based around the concept of

28:57

what they named Atlas which was

28:59

the main. Character.

29:02

Everything in the world's is related to

29:04

one entity one person so the try

29:06

and make that engine work where it

29:08

it's as multiple people not just in

29:10

terms of my another comment has like

29:12

render or have to loaded just now

29:14

the logic of the quest systems and

29:17

all every think inventory of a like

29:19

have any guns be bar that have

29:21

a not world and it's all tied

29:23

into the ass and how much of

29:25

a pain? Yeah so was John Paul

29:27

Atlas out of that game As they

29:29

said am. I think there's a lot.

29:31

There's a lot their bus. Yeah. I

29:33

think I do that. The point I'm trying

29:36

to make fruit in terms of and I

29:38

hope so come across as overly defensive. At

29:40

the time I remember. That. We

29:42

went in and dads are I did. because I

29:45

was living in Maryland I went in to the

29:47

studio, they did a presentation for me and I

29:49

had all of these questions because the presentation they

29:51

first showed of Seventy Six which was similar to

29:53

what they showed at Some Against Fast. Honestly

29:56

are raised more questions than answers them because

29:58

it was doing something compelling. The Vog indifference

30:00

we will strike was you know Maggi? Never heard

30:02

of Seventy Six. Before it comes it gets an

30:04

ounce and a you're like oh was. So Is

30:06

it going to be like World of Warcraft style?

30:09

Mm Oh is going to be more like. Like.

30:11

To division maybe where he is or you're

30:13

loading into these instance. Areas like we're

30:16

headed. the progression work to you make your on.

30:18

Talked all of these things and they were all

30:20

the initial questions that are documentary answered. A when

30:22

it came out people were like oh what's the

30:24

know club thing They actually tell you what the

30:26

game is like. The original thing is like more

30:28

of a tonal. This is what we're trying to

30:30

do and in our one sort of actually. Solved

30:33

a problem for a lot of people have like

30:36

what is this game. Why? Are they

30:38

making as how are they making us And the had

30:40

his a play the demo the get was and again

30:42

com is oust or that context is fucking loss. So.

30:45

I in one way I really like that

30:47

documentary still because I think for debate three

30:49

months people really liked us and had answered

30:51

lot of questions and it was something exciting the

30:54

maybe know club could do in the future is

30:56

like explore this stuff and then once again came

30:58

out there is such a backlash do at

31:00

that I was like oh yeah. There's.

31:02

A lesson here to be learns like in

31:04

how I. Approached these projects

31:07

that like. A. Cat it does.

31:09

It's no good of people like of men. Suddenly.

31:11

There's a there's a twist on the

31:14

other side's you know like ten of

31:16

even like separate from the documentary itself

31:18

I do feel like I'm seventy sixes

31:20

illustrate of and something as big a

31:22

been thinking a lot about recently which

31:25

is that I feel like having an

31:27

in instantaneous hyper amplified feedback mechanism where

31:29

the voices of the masses are instantly

31:31

heard about video games is like. Is.

31:34

Almost like a creatively stifling force. Because I think

31:36

it's important for people to give feedback and games.

31:38

I think it's important to people to like speed

31:40

than seventy dollars on a game and can't return

31:42

and you're like fuck. This site is important to

31:45

be able to like, feel like you can reach

31:47

out and give feedback. Whenever I'm. At.

31:49

But I also think that one of

31:51

the things I respect about Seventy Six

31:53

is that a try something so radically

31:55

different. Yeah, thats a well established series

31:57

am in, so that's linked up the

31:59

side. The part for me at. Is. That

32:01

this whole thing. Bethesda

32:04

make the same make it's a very

32:06

similar getting Awfully all of us are

32:08

you on the more I see a

32:10

yeah and that I I am with

32:12

you on.i think I think spit or

32:14

the reaction to it in some ways

32:16

really embittered me to some facets of

32:18

gaming community because I was like. What's.

32:20

The fucking and goals here I know you don't

32:22

like Bethesda or I know you wanted fall at

32:25

the a memo which like. People. Worked

32:27

on for years and it didn't work and

32:29

they cancelled us because I'm like what does

32:31

that tell you and then. I.

32:34

Get I get his. I get people

32:36

are they loves as at an end

32:38

In a way this goes back to

32:40

the fucking Black Isle interplay stuff in

32:42

a way fall as has become this

32:44

sort of. Proxy.

32:46

For people to complain about who's

32:48

making the game like as that.we

32:51

talked about the even last week

32:53

the Obsidian vs Bethesda says at

32:55

his Constance like. And and

32:57

and I find is like the sort of I

33:00

had a couple of people are talking to about

33:02

this week be the rewriting history on all this

33:04

stuff is really interesting because I think people are

33:06

warming to seventy Six and then. Some.

33:08

Folks are like oh well, that's because like the

33:10

added a I or the added you know enemies.

33:13

Now all the stuff which is very true like

33:15

is like it's about again. Years later I still

33:17

argue that this game should have been launched. Like.

33:20

Fifty presents of the cost and had early access

33:22

written on us and none of these problems exist.

33:24

I think we know because any the game's launch

33:26

for price people are pissed off about as the

33:28

whole canvas bags thing with this collector's edition which

33:31

is a storm in a fucking t boss nobody

33:33

got i collect position give a fuck about the

33:35

canvas bag I'm sure was it.or maybe someone of

33:37

did and they should have done a better job

33:40

at that sure. but that only gets brought in

33:42

because basically people are just looking for ammunition to

33:44

launch of this fucking thing about that. yeah. And

33:47

and it at it does make me sad

33:49

that like yeah we have a studio the

33:52

went and did something weird in many ways

33:54

went to do as to save another closing

33:56

studio that was making these types of games

33:59

that they boss. And. Then put

34:01

on this project like that's a whole

34:03

elements in my i'm I'm sure wasn't-charitable

34:05

but like basically all of those that

34:07

those folks in Taxes were working on

34:09

like. To. Me was

34:12

like oh word. Word Critic.

34:14

Like did. Sure, maybe they didn't do a great

34:16

job or maybe they. May. They

34:18

sold it differently in the marketing, which I

34:20

think. Happens with as the

34:22

stuff sometimes. Bus. Yeah,

34:24

what are we doing here? We were just going

34:26

to criticize. People. For trying to

34:29

do fucking weird chess on a date did

34:31

dissect the moment clicked for me is and

34:33

lastly more a wind I did a little

34:35

research into how more when was received of

34:37

the time and there was right there was

34:39

like it would still in my mind Laura

34:41

Wilson's like the as for young when where

34:43

or when I was extremely online when more

34:45

of with came out right also see where

34:48

people were in there was less of kind

34:50

of like he of digital infrastructure for that

34:52

the communities are more nice if if the

34:54

same amount of uncle more nice ass and

34:56

so in my my more when dislike. Ironic.

34:58

Love this when I guess is fucking

35:00

cool is games are classics but then

35:03

if you go back there were people

35:05

who realized what a dagger fall with

35:07

huge why didn't dislike Fucking Tiny little

35:09

dinky as map Lake. I don't understand

35:11

why they would betray the the sandbox

35:13

roots of the series one hundred percent.

35:15

So it's like. Yeah, I

35:18

don't know, I think I'm I think

35:20

it's important for people to feel heard

35:22

and to be heard and for their

35:24

to be in l a a permeable

35:26

layer between creator and audience. But I

35:28

I do kinda think that. The.

35:30

I think it a world where is that layer was

35:33

a little less permeable and that there was a little

35:35

less feedback coming through? I think we would have. We.

35:37

Heard or and more interesting games. I like

35:40

a the thing that I can thinking is.

35:42

It out. The response to follow

35:44

Seventy Six being so hostile and toxic

35:46

is in part the reason that Star

35:48

Field as a game that on papers

35:51

so yeah so different and serve end

35:53

in for in threat you know pragmatic

35:55

terms is so safe in every way.

35:57

Yeah yeah and it's like we. You

35:59

know there could be like a bizarre

36:01

fuckin psychedelic as star feel that exists

36:03

but I I think the risk of

36:05

having another Ninety six yeah. Yeah.

36:08

I do, I don't wanna like as

36:10

as eat our we we, I think

36:12

we probably advocate for developers more than

36:14

a lot of game coverage things. It.

36:17

That.is such a malleable thing because people

36:19

like to have. If the people like

36:21

to say some studios are, it's money

36:23

hungry. Core Press, whatever is another ones

36:25

are independence and they're They're all you

36:28

know the sun shines at our arses

36:30

and that it can be. The.

36:32

Case sometimes, but not. Everyone

36:35

who works on a game is doing it for

36:37

their own reasons and nights we've been to the

36:39

Thursday and therapy the tend to average tenure there

36:41

for the longest time. I think it's that changed

36:43

post seventy Six, but for the longest time was

36:46

like twelve years. Like there are people who were

36:48

there for a long fucking time. Really enjoy working

36:50

on those games. I do think there there has

36:52

been a lot of change as Bgs in Marlins

36:55

and it's a way bigger studio and I think

36:57

a lot of the leads are gone and it's

36:59

a wet lot of younger workforce and I think

37:01

it probably is a lot different. Am. Which.

37:04

Is a bit of a sidebar, but. But

37:06

I do. But I do think that like sometimes

37:08

I all I've all. I've always posited that but

37:10

as in particular is a studio and maybe a

37:12

thorough doing Maybe to the way they talk about

37:14

the games. I don't know what it is but

37:17

they. They. Do get a lot of

37:19

criticism, but the thing that I'm interested in getting

37:21

it turning into an old farce like I'm i'm

37:23

thirty eight now is the moving target of what's

37:25

cool to say was a good game. And.

37:28

I think this is like something that I

37:30

did not understand when I was younger and

37:32

I eat out like it was, specially when

37:34

you're online. Having the cool opinion is basically

37:37

like. Online. Currency is how like

37:39

a lot of this what's the game that people say

37:41

is cool. And. You made a point of

37:43

of says saying about Morrow and More wins if

37:45

you talk to the. Like. It's funny

37:47

because I'm editing this Dwarf Fortress documentary and

37:49

are basically talking about Marland in this because

37:52

they're saying like for the longest time you

37:54

had strategy Rpg is that we're going and

37:56

dislike. Sort of. Some of them

37:58

are were drifting towards with the. You know,

38:00

the Borders Gates there was for a story

38:02

and character based and then you had the

38:04

Bethesda ones which were sort of aping off

38:07

of the first person am Ultima Underworld stuff

38:09

rice The day you had this subset of

38:11

people who thought that a lot of those

38:13

games like Dagger Fall we're going to continue

38:15

in the sandbox simulation way that they were

38:17

going to stay. Probably. Graphically.

38:20

We. Know fairly basic, but they were

38:22

going to add complexity. And. That's what

38:24

Dwarf Fortress was and that's what a lot

38:26

of those games were like. this net hack

38:28

mods the people did for years but that

38:30

dies. but they looked at games like Marlins

38:32

and when So what do you do in your

38:35

like simplifying this game? You know your it's all

38:37

about the a static now. But. When

38:39

you talk to people. Today. That what

38:41

the cool. I'll describe his game. The best

38:43

Elder Scrolls game is the cool. Answer is

38:46

Fucking Makarova was right for forty three. Same

38:48

problem. You're all these people were like. That's

38:50

not my follows. Followed is an isometric game

38:52

where you have all of this choice in

38:55

consequence. And it's not this first person shooter

38:57

bullshit. Fallout, New Vegas You the same thing.

38:59

Ball in New Vegas came out. The reception

39:01

was horrific. People. Did not like us.

39:03

they said it was buggy. there is problems with

39:05

as then there was this sort of urban myth

39:08

that flew back on Bethesda where they were like

39:10

oh, it's because they forced them to releases and

39:12

then when I wasn't finished, know all this, sort

39:14

of, I don't know if that's true, I never

39:16

seen disease for any of that sort of stuff.

39:18

And. Then so I've I do find it

39:21

interesting that like. All. These games

39:23

are goods like Marlins Grace. Follow.

39:25

The Vegas His brilliance forty three as gracefully

39:28

for I think is really good people. A

39:30

lot of people being foreigner for a moment

39:32

it's very much again away from. The.

39:34

Simulation the sandbox stuff

39:37

towards. This. More like yeah you

39:39

know modern take on a on a single

39:41

payer rpg boss. Yeah I feel like seventy

39:43

six. maybe of came at a time when

39:45

people hated live games. Maybe that was maybe

39:47

that's what they thought it was of. is

39:50

that the money grab for the life services

39:52

game bus and on it does have some

39:54

out of in their eyes that stuff in

39:56

there The. On. I don't think it

39:58

has any pay to win stuff. The rate of. The.

40:01

Has something called like Fallout First which

40:03

is there like premium battle passes like

40:05

six bucks a month and then they

40:08

do seasons. But. Even if you

40:10

don't have first still get. Like. In

40:12

game currency to stand on like limited

40:14

like cause metics. Benefited

40:16

by that's not right for cause Metics Yeah that

40:18

so they have like Adams and he can earn

40:20

that by just doing Dailies are you can spend

40:22

more money for it. Adventurers A pay to win

40:24

stuff. I'd people talk that like these have legendary

40:26

weapons but that's not in their early teens assist

40:29

them. Right Things that make the experience easier:

40:31

Like you get more stash space or stuff like that

40:33

you pay for it. But like. There. Is

40:35

insulting or it's like pay seven dollars are you

40:37

have the best gods and max armor and but

40:39

I think up with people on.to me that I

40:41

don't like that or our final thoughts in a

40:43

free to play game you can sit down and

40:45

more frame and us our problem. but if you're

40:47

asking me to spends a lot of money on

40:49

a game and then there's that stuff in there

40:51

Have you found lots of Jeremy to Zoc and

40:53

Your Way or nice others assad the store on

40:55

the front? hey I didn't even open it sucks

40:58

I actually gonna didn't even know how it works.

41:00

Honestly. Are not go so it's it's

41:02

like Rocket League may be worth some. Was put off

41:04

to decide. Yeah. Yeah,

41:06

that's awesome. Moving Target do that. Where are

41:08

the way we? In a way I'm surprised

41:10

that isn't free. The play a guy got

41:12

kind of is because of somebody. Passes are

41:14

free to play but it's some are free

41:16

to buy guy for very cheap as well.

41:18

I think it was on sale for like

41:20

I say there's no way I had to

41:22

ten dollars and is not have a code

41:24

had. Are we not sure. I got lucky

41:26

questions but I don't know. hadn't either. I'm

41:28

sure we got a coat I could be

41:30

revoked. Say I guess what? The docks sloths?

41:32

Yeah maybe yes it didn't fly. Swatter I

41:34

was five hundred and or. Is there

41:37

is still organise? Am yeah maybe

41:39

maybe as everyone can their discount

41:41

everything I said and being defensive

41:43

because I got a code for

41:46

the publisher. I'm

41:48

on for his way. Out

41:57

what his ears are you as a there anything

41:59

in particular I love died on the map is

42:01

fantastic. I love like that big am theme park

42:03

open the north and it's like coming across the

42:05

Man's for the first time and all that stuff

42:07

as the shootings go to a thing for tennis

42:09

is good and five for i think suit and

42:11

what what did you guys are like and about

42:13

he is that the the map kind of does

42:15

have the town I'm more of like that island

42:17

you're dead Rising it's a bit silly year but

42:19

not like of like it's a think they have

42:21

been wanting to places like borderlands and widely from

42:23

like Dead Rising but since I started seventy sixers like

42:25

this is it. It's like mindless but fun shooting

42:27

silly stuff like as the I went to like

42:29

a. A golf club in it's like goals

42:31

and golf close, you're shooting and oh yeah separate.

42:34

I don't like the forgive or that skeptical it.

42:36

So whatever the fall of for was the Nuke

42:38

World Dlc. it was so creative and silly. And

42:40

it feels like that. Energy is all falls

42:42

seventy sixers like offices. This. Is

42:45

pretty cool for me. it's the it's like the fortnight

42:47

thing where. I. Lot I generally like thing

42:49

other players walk around with like dumb ass

42:51

user names are whatever it like. Silly.

42:53

Things like that. This is like. And. On

42:55

I was a silver. It's like parallel play if

42:57

I'm on a server with twenty other random people

43:00

are all during her own little thing. But it's

43:02

like I don't know that both wizard for twenty

43:04

to complete a quasi get some you get sex

43:06

or bottle cap like Cool Gray Are certain events

43:08

starting. Come here and I see like. Like.

43:11

The must a random users a play and

43:13

it's It's these quick little quiet moments that

43:15

are very charming. And. Yeah A I

43:17

The shooting generally feel I really like the

43:19

shooting. A follow up for Seventy Six. The

43:21

May also described it as like. If.

43:24

Fallout Four is Red Dead Redemption to than

43:26

seventy sixers? Read that online online via Apple.

43:28

Is it right? Either The during quarantine again

43:30

I spent maybe. Two months,

43:32

three months I read online and really

43:34

liking until I burned out and I'm

43:37

playing Followed Seventy Six on Playstation. I

43:39

think you're like. Actually, Think it's

43:41

intense. I think there's seventy six trophies,

43:43

So every like twenty minutes of like

43:45

Boop Boop Boop thought my goal my

43:47

endgame is his achievement for getting level

43:49

one hundred, so I'll probably keep playing

43:51

and sell, then see if there's anything

43:53

more, but I'm. I'm. really interested in

43:55

the atlantic city stuff but i think i'm going

43:57

to clear a lot of the main maps that

43:59

suffer before that which I think that stuff just

44:01

came out like last year a few months ago

44:03

okay and then I might get into the base

44:06

building I might kind of mess around because I

44:08

also just discovered this golf course and I'm like

44:10

damn I could build a base on the golf

44:12

course but that might be that's kind of where

44:14

I want to hang out I don't know so

44:17

I'm finding it charming I don't know when I'll

44:19

drop it or how soon I'll drop it but

44:21

I think I'm honestly just chronologically going through all

44:23

the Bethesda games because I we just repeat

44:26

New Vegas we just replayed New Vegas I

44:28

played Fallout 4 I'm eager to do Starfield

44:30

the part of me is like wait let

44:32

me do 76 first try Starfield again and

44:35

so we'll see but yeah in Jeremy's case

44:37

talking jumping into 76 that was

44:39

my experience I played New Vegas my friend encouraged me like

44:41

try 76 I hadn't played Fallout

44:43

4 yet so I was so overwhelmed and

44:46

confused because 76 has like I

44:48

feel like three times the amount of features that even

44:50

four does just in terms yeah it's a lot it's

44:52

the onboarding of the start is quite a lot like

44:54

yeah I think with the with the cards and the

44:57

the money there was all that stuff going on like once

44:59

I got I feel like the vault

45:01

does a good job of setting you up but

45:04

then once I got into the world I was

45:06

a little bit Jesus what the fuck do I

45:08

do now like yeah which is not the vibe

45:10

you really want maybe with some of those games

45:12

yeah the other kind of very overwhelming thing with

45:14

this is anytime you get it

45:16

you have to like change the settings but like anytime you pick

45:18

up a new quest it adds it

45:21

to your active thing so I'll be running in an

45:23

area like Oh miscellaneous quest go investigate this and then

45:25

my right side of the screen is third like in

45:27

World of Warcraft all the side quests are tracked and

45:29

you look at your map and it's like there's so

45:31

much it's like the Assassin's you'll be soft effect where

45:33

I get so overwhelmed I want to turn off but

45:35

then I I kind of just look at my map

45:37

do the closest thing and do make active and then

45:40

then it squashes it and so once I finish

45:42

a quest I look at the map I pick

45:44

one thing and go and it's just like just

45:46

constant like breadcrumbs and go back to the base

45:48

and I like it and yeah

45:50

I don't know the one problem I have is ammo

45:53

is pretty scarce scarce it still is okay yeah

45:55

and like thing and so I don't know if

45:57

I need a waste bottle cap people say like

46:00

People just check the donation things that people are

46:02

pretty generous because I find cool guns But I

46:04

run out of ammo immediately or they

46:06

break But but maybe I remember having to do a

46:09

lot of like harvest it because you can make bullets

46:11

back at your base, right? So I remember I'm having

46:13

to go and get certain things and then convert them

46:15

all into bullets But it just felt like busy work

46:17

Yeah And especially in a live

46:19

game which feels like you're doing a lot you don't you

46:22

want less of that stuff less of the like I don't

46:25

know housekeeping like yeah

46:27

stuff I don't know that because the encumbrance

46:29

stuff exists as well. Of course. Yeah fast

46:32

travel is treated differently. So yeah, it's a

46:34

little bit The

46:36

one interesting thing which now I kind of get is

46:38

I was always confused by the VAT system Like how

46:40

do they make that work in online and the way

46:42

they do VAT's is he just treated as auto-aim and

46:45

so I'm like Oh, okay. Sure. That's that's yeah, it's

46:47

kind of like in what do you call it overwatch?

46:49

What was it? Soldier 76 or ever had his ultimate

46:51

where it was just auto aimed everything. Oh, yeah. Yeah,

46:54

that's kind of what that is like in this I'm

46:56

like, oh sure. Okay. I kind of like it. So

46:58

it's funny like I don't want to

47:00

talk about bats in fall air 4 quite yet because But

47:03

you're bringing up a lot of interesting stuff

47:05

that makes me think especially when Jeremy was

47:07

saying like oh he's he's playing this game

47:10

But you wondering where the sort of Golden

47:12

Path main quest is and tomorrow myself and

47:14

Jeremy are recording a fat session for no

47:16

clip crew on fall at 4 Which

47:19

I played a bunch of times really like

47:22

and Jeremy who's from Boston has never played

47:24

before So and and now you like you

47:26

seem to like be into 76 but like

47:28

and maybe I'd like to have it a story

47:31

in it So like I'm just rubbing my hands

47:33

together going like he's either gonna he's either gonna

47:35

fucking hate this thing or it That's

47:37

him gone for the next month playing fall

47:40

at 4 because it is a big-ass game, too I'm

47:43

excited for that. What are you enjoying about 76? What's

47:45

the thing you like the most Jeremy? Is it because

47:48

you're playing with somebody as well? I think that helped

47:50

for her. I think the thing I like about it

47:52

is I went

47:56

back when I played in shrouded with some friends the

47:58

game that was like kind of the like

48:00

Valheim like is how I describe it.

48:03

The thing that I kind of talked about the most in my

48:05

experience of that was it's kind of

48:08

like pathfinding because that game has an immersion digging

48:10

system. And so the fun thing in Enchrouded was,

48:12

you know, we'd have to like get to a

48:14

place and it's like, oh, well, you know, we

48:16

can walk all the way around this mountain or

48:18

we could like dig through the mountain. And it's

48:20

like I kind of just

48:22

like games that let you just do weird

48:24

pathfinding shit, I think is something that I've

48:26

come to realize over the last several years.

48:29

I think that's kind of like my because like a sandbox game, you

48:31

know, like Fallout 76, they're kind of like, oh, go, you

48:33

know, do you want to go collect stuff? Do you want

48:35

to base build? Do you want to quest? Do you want

48:37

to do this? And I think that

48:39

like, yeah, I just like pathfinding. So it's kind of fun

48:41

just to pick a place on the map and be like,

48:43

oh, that seems interesting. And

48:46

then be like, OK, it seems like this highway leads

48:48

up to it. Let's try to get to this highway.

48:50

You walk there and it's like, OK, well, the highway

48:52

is like a fucking sky bridge up there. I wonder

48:54

if we can get up there. Let's see if we

48:56

can get around these hills. I kind of just like

48:58

the yeah, creating my own sort of self generating

49:00

breadcrumb trail by picking a location and trying

49:02

to pathfind there. So that's kind of what

49:04

I've enjoyed the most about 76. And

49:07

there's been a few like weird, unexpected things that have

49:09

happened. I don't know. There was one. I just don't

49:11

know if this was like a bug or like an

49:13

emergent thing. But I walked in. There was a kind

49:16

of ghoul in the open world and I walked up

49:18

to him and we started fighting and he instantly exploded

49:21

and killed me. And I

49:23

don't think it wasn't like a suicide bomber

49:25

ghoul. I remember that happening where

49:27

there was an area with mines where it

49:29

was. If it was a mine. If that's

49:31

what I wanted. But that's ringing a bell

49:34

with regardless. I just like yeah, pathfinding with

49:36

combat is just like it is an easy

49:38

win for me. Just like it's it's a

49:41

clear objective structure, but it's self directed and

49:43

having like little kind of like peaks and

49:45

valleys of like, here's like

49:47

a difficult combat bit. Now, here's like a traversal bit

49:49

here. We have to do some pathfinding. Here's like a

49:51

point of interest. Yeah, I Think

49:54

that that's that's kind of my I think

49:56

that's my golden path in POD 76. It's

49:58

just like thinking shit and then. Finding

50:00

their. That's. Nice. Yeah, I remember. One

50:02

of things I liked about Seventy Six was the.

50:05

The creepy stuff you'd come across special my time

50:07

of things like the math man and like some

50:09

of these and egg the new enemies and things

50:11

that author is there was a lot of interesting

50:13

stuff there was like fun to push up against

50:15

the limits of where I was comfortable in the

50:17

world and areas would like higher level stuff and

50:19

be like all man at it was. I was

50:21

like that dusk with thing we talk about you

50:23

know when you just go and see stitches for

50:26

the free i like movie I saw things lying

50:28

and like didn't like a gargoyle in this I

50:30

don't even know I look like a fucking dragon

50:32

and other side Iraq is that I don't want

50:34

to mess was Iran but. An actress.

50:37

So. I guess you know if I can

50:39

apply apply. Gonna lay my I lay my

50:41

in I am angry hypothesis on the on

50:43

the on the table here and say. If.

50:46

I'm if I'm if I'm not talking complete

50:49

horse it over here about the sort of

50:51

the the cool drifted that exists on these

50:53

games. We've all decided this. you know, a

50:55

dynamic as a Dire Fall Noreen anymore they're

50:57

gone more A when is the sort of

50:59

weird funny one Oblivion is now sort of

51:02

act cool A nice because it's not Sky

51:04

Ram. even though Oblivion when it came out

51:06

was the most vanilla fucking fantasy world you

51:08

could possibly imagine coming off Morrow and it

51:10

made sense. I'll just go Sex

51:13

rock apply for like six or can years that

51:15

the table I for a second star field is

51:17

now the new one that people don't like rice

51:19

It but it's hard to sort of like aggressively

51:21

not like us because it's like thought that if

51:23

a bag name is is that like maybe it

51:26

has. since those aspects of it the totally people

51:28

aren't as excited about some of these other ones.

51:30

Rice am. So. That's where that exists,

51:32

so we do. He thinks foreigners for

51:34

now is maybe gonna go through with

51:36

the show. People are gonna warm to

51:38

follow for more now and maybe Seventy

51:40

Six also becomes this. Sort of like

51:42

hey, they turned it around or it's

51:44

like have forgotten. Sexy. Misunderstood game.

51:47

I wonder if like in two years time

51:49

before going to be like why a seventy

51:51

sixer at launched bad but then they they

51:53

turned it around. Is that a real? Because

51:55

it doesn't quite have the cyber punk, no

51:57

Man's sky redemption arc or any black.it's on.

52:00

At not the game has gotten not much

52:02

attention that no one's guys added like fucking

52:04

twenty Strategy Alex the stage for a. I.

52:07

Think the biggest selling thing with Seventy Six. Like

52:09

how we're still playing in a month from now,

52:11

like I'm enjoying it now. Why bassi be like

52:13

oh cast think I'm as he can get a

52:15

you know? yeah I agree. I feel like I

52:17

haven't. Seen. A

52:19

eyes I'm having a fun experience with. It is

52:21

kind of like the limits of my take on

52:24

Seventy Six. Whether or not it's like I'm fuckin

52:26

a great game a classic. I mean this is

52:28

why I like it when people tell me about

52:30

movies that I've I've seen sort of interest like

52:33

no I don't watch movies until they've been out

52:35

for five to ten years because I don't know

52:37

what has staying pass people that so fucking excited

52:39

about movies when they come out that because their

52:41

dad m and for a while I was washed

52:44

all the united see what what are the ten

52:46

best movies as your and watch them all. Of

52:49

A and I feel I feel burned by like

52:51

seventy percent of them because the like this guy

52:53

feel I can see that remake of Crash the

52:56

sweetest Those should win all the Oscars. Yeah so

52:58

that's why I read other as of the last

53:00

I guess I'm watching Socket Japanese Robinson, the Nineties

53:02

and worse because there's there's no hi bless the

53:04

hype well as your eyes on the dagger of

53:07

all the other five hour record of it's had

53:09

him and gentlemen is my my dad or fall

53:11

so I'm yard or I feel like teams are

53:13

kind of the same thing where I mean that's

53:15

why it isn't of that I was a human

53:18

you're talking. About like how opinions his overtime

53:20

a game is. I'm as much as I

53:22

have gone through periods of my life. I

53:24

really like video essays and youtube videos where

53:26

people are like disc. he was actually a

53:28

classic that and went off it's I like.

53:31

I'm eyes the last couple years last few

53:33

years I've definitely cooled on that stuff and

53:35

warmth more to just you know if there

53:37

is a game that is always interesting to

53:40

me whether it's a cult classic their a

53:42

weird slept on Gamers are gonna just like

53:44

you know flat and like to on the

53:46

from saw survival horror game. I. loved because

53:48

it's like i'd no one told me was the best

53:50

game ever no one told me it sucks i just

53:52

knew was like a weird old from south game and i

53:54

don't think it's a tenant it's and but i be

53:56

as having my own experience with it i think was

53:58

like the prime it's ago remember that game for

54:01

a long time, not because it was the

54:03

best crafted game ever, but because I had

54:05

an experience with it that wasn't, you know,

54:07

full of preconceived notions. So yeah, yeah, I

54:09

don't know. But anyway, I don't

54:11

know how much staying power 76 has, but I'm

54:13

enjoying it again. Yeah, either do I. And it's

54:15

funny because I feel like, and this isn't me,

54:18

just me just trying to constantly look at

54:20

the silver lining when it comes to this.

54:22

But one of the things that I really

54:24

don't like about live games is the design

54:26

that requires you to keep coming back and back

54:29

and back. And like, there are

54:31

really popular games that have great fan

54:33

communities. Like warframe is a great example of

54:35

that. But warframe is a game that sort of like is designed

54:37

for you to play a bunch of. And

54:39

then what usually happens at warframe is they do another big expansion

54:41

pack and then everyone comes back and they play through all that

54:43

sort of stuff. And then they do it again and again and

54:46

again. And that's the lifeblood of that studio.

54:48

Right? So that makes sense.

54:50

But that's not what Bethesda is doing

54:52

with this. And I think like in

54:55

some ways that's maybe a positive that they're

54:57

not just like trying to turn that like

54:59

this game doesn't feel as Skinner boxy as

55:01

a lot of, but

55:04

maybe also it's a $70 a game or was

55:06

a full price game or one stage or close

55:08

to it. So maybe also, maybe

55:10

it's just this perpetually caught in two worlds. Maybe that's the

55:13

problem. I mean, I've actually been interested in people, the man

55:15

again about this and what they think, because in one way,

55:17

if this was a free to play games,

55:19

the service game, there's a lot people would forgive that

55:21

they don't like the fact that there was, you know,

55:23

the story stuff wasn't in here and yada, yada, yada.

55:26

But in the other way, like you don't get free

55:28

to play games like

55:31

this, that where the map is this

55:33

well designed and dense and interesting and

55:35

has the production value on the actual

55:37

game itself is that is

55:39

a triple a game quality game. It's just that

55:42

the gameplay, a lot of it

55:44

feels more reminiscent of what we now consider free

55:46

to play. So

55:48

maybe that's just maybe that's the ultimate problem with this

55:50

game is that it sort of exists in this,

55:53

this, It's new grounds that

55:55

they broke, but it sort of exists

55:57

between these two known quantities and people.

56:00

Are coming out of from one side or the other

56:02

and most people are landing right in the middle so.

56:04

I'm I'm not quite sure he. I totally

56:07

agree. It's still like my closing thought on

56:09

it is just that it feels that way.

56:11

jawed are allies and game design wise as

56:13

well. Wear gas. I think that is the

56:15

thing about the game that is both kind

56:17

of like the roughest and must even but

56:20

also sort of. The most interesting is their

56:22

spare time israel like see other people, the

56:24

other world and I feel like I'm playing

56:26

rust and as nice as weird It interesting

56:28

and yeah, and I don't know whether I

56:30

like it or not, but I know that

56:32

it's different than other since I've played. Issues

56:35

define expectations. And whether or not it follows

56:37

through and then is like and it's like a

56:39

really good game at the end of the jury

56:41

is out for me, but I buy it. I

56:43

is. It is rare that a game. You

56:46

know made by a studios have this much notoriety

56:48

and size and scale and budget Release a game

56:50

that says weird I guess? Yeah I think there's

56:52

something to be said for. I mean like you

56:55

know it's like I said earlier. It's like if

56:57

you if you want games to try. New.

56:59

Things once in awhile. A You know

57:01

if if people actually follow through on

57:03

that, do that. Sometimes it's gonna be

57:05

like weird in a way that's not

57:07

perfect and I think that that's yeah,

57:10

our healthy yeah or are dozens. it's

57:12

not as good as A or doesn't

57:14

feel as good as a. Safer

57:16

game you know and all of our taste The

57:18

difference is a just is a little bit. I

57:20

feel I feel like why you said earlier really

57:22

touched the ball with me where. It.

57:25

Feels. I. Wonder how

57:27

much. Star. Fields his

57:29

conservative. As a reaction to the

57:31

reaction to this, I do wonder.

57:34

That. Who knows. Maybe it's not.

57:36

Maybe start to lose exactly the game

57:38

that they wanted to make and at

57:41

it since the inherent nature of space

57:43

and savvy fast travel everywhere is. The.

57:45

Wake of Spoilers if ever, if

57:47

anyone is listening, who's who Wants

57:50

to play Fall? I for play

57:52

Fallout Four in Survival Mode. It.

57:55

Is such a different experience you

57:57

can't Fast travel. it's

57:59

not hard core, like you can, it's

58:02

not like rogue like style, but you have to

58:04

like drink and eat and do all that

58:06

sort of stuff. And it

58:08

really helps you like settle into that world.

58:10

I think it's like, it's kind of the

58:12

way that people now, a lot of people

58:14

now will play Fallout 4, especially on multiple

58:17

playthroughs. It's a really

58:19

interesting way of doing it. And I wonder

58:21

if Starfield just by the nature of that fast travel

58:23

stuff and everything else, you

58:25

know, just didn't, didn't connect or was

58:28

that more conservative? It'll be very interesting

58:30

to see where they

58:32

go with Elder Scrolls 6. I'm

58:34

looking forward to playing us in 2037,

58:37

whenever it comes out. 20,

58:40

when was that? Fallout 76, 20, it's 2276. I

58:43

think it was, something like

58:45

that. 2076 I mean. Man

58:48

oh man. M. Okay

58:56

that was Fallout 76 man, we talked to Renaer about 76. That's

58:59

pretty good. I want to talk about a

59:02

game I played this week, maybe you've heard of it, it's called

59:04

Hades 2. It's a sequel

59:06

to a little indie game that came out from

59:08

some crowd in San Francisco. Super

59:10

Gantt I think they're called. This

59:13

is of course the Hades 2 technical

59:15

test. So our good friends Greg and

59:17

Amir, and you're good friends if you're

59:19

a noclip documentary watcher

59:23

over at Supergiant Games have put out

59:25

a technical test which is basically them

59:27

getting a bunch of data and heuristics

59:29

and who knows, perhaps some gameplay feedback

59:31

on Discord and stuff for

59:34

Hades 2. It is

59:36

a snippet of the game. The

59:38

game is apparently very close to

59:40

early access release and the

59:43

early access version of it is going to

59:45

be bigger than the technical test. The technical

59:47

test basically runs up to the first boss

59:49

fight. So it's the first biome you're in

59:51

up to the first boss fight. Once

59:53

you complete it, basically there's a dialogue

59:56

option that comes up and says you can consider

59:58

yourself done with the technical test. This is all

1:00:00

this is that that's pretty much everything you're gonna

1:00:02

see and I

1:00:04

played a bunch of this If you guys did you guys

1:00:06

touch on this at all? Yeah, because it was also access

1:00:08

stuff. There was like you had to like sign up on

1:00:11

Steam and all that sort of stuff Yeah, no, I added

1:00:13

to my Steam library and I haven't fired I've been like

1:00:15

afraid to fire it up because yeah when Hades one came

1:00:17

out I like I like didn't play even

1:00:19

though we were doing the doc I I tried to play

1:00:21

it as little as possible because I wanted to have the

1:00:23

final experience I didn't want to spoil myself on it totally

1:00:25

and that's I that is 100% why you will do if

1:00:27

you play this or the access I

1:00:29

get it Frank you haven't touched this either right? You can

1:00:31

get it No, I just click the button on the Steam

1:00:33

page to like go close access. So hopefully or whenever it

1:00:36

be Yeah, so I think we

1:00:38

all did and then very kindly just

1:00:40

before the weekend I think it was one of our

1:00:42

buddies our good friend Greg over

1:00:44

there sent through some codes, which was very

1:00:46

kind of him So, um, yeah, so I've

1:00:48

completed the technical test Um, I kind of

1:00:50

almost don't want to talk about maybe specifics

1:00:52

too much now that you're even saying that

1:00:55

especially as people will probably Have

1:00:58

that same opinion Maybe

1:01:00

this is how we start this do any questions about

1:01:03

Hades to like do you have any is there anything

1:01:05

about it that you're just On a super broad level

1:01:07

interested in so the one thing I

1:01:09

saw is like on the same page It says the

1:01:12

Titan of time So is there like time abilities or

1:01:14

like rewind abilities or anything like that? No,

1:01:17

I would say no like the Titan that

1:01:19

that's the sort of the broad quest

1:01:21

of what you're doing and That's

1:01:23

you know, then tag it that's pretty much said

1:01:25

right away this you're looking for is a chronos

1:01:27

I think or something like that. And so that's

1:01:29

like in the same way that's like when you

1:01:31

started Hades one

1:01:34

There told you. Oh, you're trying to break out

1:01:36

like that's that's sort of the thing. I

1:01:39

don't want to God I don't know how

1:01:41

much to talk about that's the thing I don't know how much to talk

1:01:43

about it's like do I even talk about the protagonist in this game? Like

1:01:46

I honestly like how much you

1:01:48

okay Jeremy do you

1:01:50

have any questions? And if not, I'm just gonna go with like a

1:01:52

sort of it I mean, I've eaten

1:01:54

a little bit of the game here and

1:01:56

there we can't talk about that. Yeah. Yeah,

1:01:59

so we're not doing a doc, we are

1:02:01

not, I

1:02:03

should let people just know straight up, we have not been

1:02:05

filming with Supergiant for the past couple of years. We talked

1:02:07

to them about us ages ago, like

1:02:10

maybe a year and a half ago, it

1:02:12

wasn't even ages ago, it was maybe a year ago, maybe a year

1:02:14

and a half ago, something like that. We

1:02:17

talked about Hades 2 with them and we

1:02:19

tried to come up with some

1:02:21

sort of like what works as a

1:02:23

pitch, but like some stuff with them has changed,

1:02:26

they are more remote work now. We

1:02:29

didn't have a great narrative angle for this

1:02:32

one except that we couldn't do maybe post

1:02:34

release, you know what I mean, we could

1:02:36

do a Hades 2 doc once it's out

1:02:38

maybe and they said like maybe we'll do

1:02:41

that. But during production, during early access, a

1:02:43

lot of the beats that they would have

1:02:46

they've already done so it doesn't, it felt

1:02:48

like there wasn't, we couldn't figure out a

1:02:50

story that felt compelling enough to really try

1:02:52

and sell them on it and they also

1:02:54

were coming from a perspective of like we

1:02:57

don't want to do another early access series like

1:02:59

developing hell unless it's interesting and new and we

1:03:01

felt the same way and we just, we couldn't,

1:03:03

it wasn't there, we couldn't find a solution that

1:03:06

worked and I don't think, I

1:03:08

personally don't think it exists there. But

1:03:10

obviously in doing that we saw some stuff

1:03:12

a while back ago that we weren't able

1:03:15

to talk about. But yeah, so you've seen

1:03:17

some of that obviously already. So what is

1:03:19

your, yeah do you have any? Okay

1:03:23

you don't, you know what? I'm just curious

1:03:25

what stood out to you I guess, yeah.

1:03:27

That's a good way of putting it. So

1:03:29

what's different I guess is probably a good

1:03:31

way of talking about it. So

1:03:33

Hades 2 is a, in terms

1:03:35

of the way it plays, it is

1:03:37

very much like Hades 1, you know

1:03:39

it's an isometric camera angle, rogue-like where

1:03:42

you are doing runs, you are attempting

1:03:44

to get through all these levels, you

1:03:46

play as a different character, she's on the key art,

1:03:48

you've probably seen a bunch of her. I'm not

1:03:51

going to talk about her or anything

1:03:53

because obviously she is the,

1:03:55

her name is Melinoey, she's

1:03:58

a great character, great voice acting. The

1:04:00

world is full of gods

1:04:03

and characters, some of whom you

1:04:05

may recognize from Hades I,

1:04:07

some of whom are completely new.

1:04:11

The whole vibe of this one is much

1:04:13

more sort of like occulty and witchy. Your

1:04:16

sort of, your protege, I guess,

1:04:18

or your mentor rather, is a

1:04:20

sort of this large, you know, huge

1:04:23

witch's hat wearing, you know,

1:04:26

covers almost her face, sort

1:04:29

of lady called Hecatee, which is

1:04:31

a very witchy as well. A

1:04:34

lot of this stuff, you know, similarly based on Greek

1:04:36

myth and perhaps a lot of pagan stuff that sort

1:04:38

of got dragged into all that as well. And

1:04:42

what I would say is like there are

1:04:44

some things on the face of the gameplay which are

1:04:46

different, like I feel like the arenas are shorter, at

1:04:49

least in this first biome. I might be wrong, but

1:04:52

it feels like they're giving you more boons as

1:04:54

you get through it. The combat is different

1:04:56

because the protagonist, sort of the weapons that

1:04:58

she has and the way she plays is

1:05:01

a bit different in terms of just the

1:05:03

regular weapons. And everything

1:05:05

you have now has a special ability. So the

1:05:07

cast, if you hold it, has a sort of

1:05:10

power mode. The regular attack

1:05:12

you do, which I think was in Hades

1:05:14

I, if you hold it down, often did

1:05:16

like a power move. And then also the,

1:05:18

what's the other one? Like when you

1:05:20

hit B, it also does it like an

1:05:22

AOE or something like that. There's a power move in that as

1:05:25

well. So

1:05:27

you have more moves, which

1:05:29

also means that your upgrades are sort of divided

1:05:33

that bit more. So there's

1:05:35

more to worry about in terms of

1:05:37

like what your setup is in

1:05:39

terms of combat. Not just the weapon you're

1:05:41

building, but also, you know, how you're using

1:05:43

all of these different moves. Similarly,

1:05:46

when you're going through the world, there's more to

1:05:48

worry about because you're collecting items as you go

1:05:50

through the world, like almost like currencies. So you're

1:05:53

picking up like flower petals or, you know, Different

1:05:56

bits and bobs, you know, silver. different bits

1:05:58

and bobs. When you're

1:06:00

back at your hub base like in the

1:06:02

original Hades, were you doing a lot of

1:06:05

like upgrading your your traits so that you're

1:06:07

stronger? Ios agrees with stronger going into next

1:06:09

level all that sort of stuff which

1:06:11

also doing things like upgrading to trying to

1:06:14

unlock weapons. Similarly, just a matter progression

1:06:16

in Hades to there's a lot more going

1:06:18

on. There's like lots more going on.

1:06:20

So the hub base air you're in is

1:06:22

way bigger. maybe three times as big.

1:06:24

You're adding in different characters. you're adding in

1:06:26

your online as a big cauldron in

1:06:28

the middle to use. In to unlock. Difference.

1:06:31

Admissions? almost in the world. You are

1:06:33

you doing those things like you know,

1:06:35

even planting something over here. it's to

1:06:38

try and see if you can make

1:06:40

something else. The weapon stuff is biggest.

1:06:42

Everything you know, everything's bigger. Basically in

1:06:44

terms of. The. Com

1:06:46

boss the matter Progression. And

1:06:49

I'd set. by the looks of it,

1:06:51

probably everything like the cast I imagined

1:06:53

to like this. This whole thing brings

1:06:55

you up until you know. The first

1:06:57

Boss Vice Am, which I completed on

1:06:59

a ticket, said it was my fifth

1:07:01

attempt. Just all the great voice

1:07:03

acting great are scrape the all the

1:07:05

stuff the you like about the first

1:07:07

eighties there's more of us am. But.

1:07:09

It definitely goes deeper on the systems which

1:07:12

one hundred percent I'm I'm I'm thinking about

1:07:14

a mirror, thinking about a sequel and I'm

1:07:16

like why would he do You know why

1:07:18

would he be interested in while the greg

1:07:20

be adjusted and while but all those folks

1:07:23

be interested a mere being the guy who

1:07:25

when I hung out with him in the

1:07:27

studio he would be reading the new Dodo

1:07:29

has now as I know you begin to

1:07:31

doubt Isaac I'm late and years is is

1:07:34

it has been love. Sockets system does systemic

1:07:36

design, they're just way into it and similarly

1:07:38

like you can see with. The arse with

1:07:40

with that all our team over there and

1:07:42

of course am agenda you can see and

1:07:45

I don't want to give away too much

1:07:47

because like a lot of the joy of

1:07:49

this game is meeting the characters and learning

1:07:51

everyone's relationship to each other and also learning

1:07:53

when this is because like it's you know,

1:07:56

does this happen. A. Year after the

1:07:58

first Hades are a little bit longer. our

1:08:00

machine the Greek myth where you never quite

1:08:02

sure. Where. Anything is am

1:08:04

an Odyssey. Time is a part of

1:08:07

the that the narrative of this. but

1:08:09

that means that like even returning characters,

1:08:11

some of them look a bit different

1:08:13

and that's really cool. Or they've got

1:08:15

different relationships than they used to have

1:08:17

like the different gods you're turning up

1:08:19

in there. like all with such and

1:08:21

such like I've really enjoyed seeing. Oh

1:08:23

I wonder how Poseidon's doing in. I

1:08:26

mean like I wonder, how am. Ah,

1:08:28

what's the Goddess of Love against you

1:08:30

advertise? Oh My. God. I mean the

1:08:33

Aphrodite. A character ours in

1:08:35

the first game I basically fell in

1:08:37

love with. and the one in this

1:08:39

one is even if already it's hard.

1:08:41

it is even a foreigner. Now it's

1:08:43

years I've seen that design for this.

1:08:45

Yeah, and a voice is a male,

1:08:47

just old. A voice work is absolutely

1:08:49

terrific. Ends: Yeah, I'm Omri. I've really

1:08:51

enjoyed as I bet the first boss.

1:08:54

I. Was like cool and we're gonna have to do

1:08:56

this all over again. So I'm going to stop

1:08:58

playing now because there are the Axis or com

1:09:00

as Bus. Yeah. Unsurprising, they've

1:09:02

made another great game am.

1:09:05

Eyes I always feel like that you know

1:09:07

in early access offers. Game was really good

1:09:09

but a was better when it came as

1:09:11

they tighten up a lot of the screws.

1:09:13

By some criticism of this one, I was

1:09:15

sometimes confused by. How many items

1:09:18

I hides or how many items

1:09:20

things cost as a lot of

1:09:22

buying stuff and I think the

1:09:24

wise to some parts rum. And.

1:09:26

Not quite sure. What's. The

1:09:28

number for how many is the cost and

1:09:30

how many I have and how many I

1:09:32

have left and stuff like that am. As

1:09:36

and then the and the world what the stuff

1:09:38

is used for which it was kind of in

1:09:40

the first game to what they did a lot

1:09:42

of like iconography without actually tell you what it

1:09:44

is he just gonna use the idea that dollars

1:09:46

today less hammer icon that's the you know gonna.

1:09:49

That. The ball hard icon or whatever you

1:09:51

know he started just got used to it so

1:09:53

maybe dismantlement about as well. The.

1:09:55

Chair. Enjoyed. It. Could. Find have

1:09:57

they don't seem to get i'm I'm sure it does run I was

1:09:59

thing. The kind you know controller thought

1:10:02

I am. but yeah, And.

1:10:04

Yeah and he final hades to technical

1:10:06

tests Chris for the titles as to

1:10:08

the what weapon do they. Do.

1:10:10

You see the standards orders at Brighton dose

1:10:12

of the wept about whether starting weapon is

1:10:15

almost like Apollo arm like a huge spear

1:10:17

of am. At. Which is good

1:10:19

for ranged because one of the enemies in

1:10:21

particular and I'm very sad see how they

1:10:23

like balance the stuff. Over the

1:10:25

next couple of months for this one at

1:10:27

either called a screamer something. they're busy like

1:10:30

a banshee, the just fucking runs a you

1:10:32

and they. Damage. They feel like

1:10:34

they're damaging the shit out of yeah much of

1:10:36

they are but they feel like they're whenever close

1:10:38

you am. a Milena we want to for weapons

1:10:40

are one of her she's a cast on be

1:10:43

that basically created a oh eat it slows people

1:10:45

down to.is like a must against them but with

1:10:47

the pollen army's got the distance as well as

1:10:49

or to keep them away the other weapon you

1:10:52

unlock the maybe there's more but the second weapon

1:10:54

you unlock is basically like just like twin swords

1:10:56

but it's way closer. we foster. Am.

1:11:00

Which are you also unlock like you know, I.

1:11:02

Unlocked a pick axe so I could mine

1:11:04

silver. Noreen think this topic. I see things

1:11:06

and the world. And. They have

1:11:08

a lot of like new and I won't spawn a as but

1:11:11

they have a new you know. Doctors you

1:11:13

run into in the world's you know that are

1:11:15

in some of whom are. Antagonist: Some

1:11:17

of whom are you know antagonistic, some

1:11:19

of whom are are are helpful. Lots

1:11:21

of non human characters that are interesting

1:11:23

and fun. Like the new Do Sir

1:11:25

I won't tell you anything but they

1:11:27

have a they have like somebody who's

1:11:30

the do so of this game and

1:11:32

she's fucking Grace am. Does

1:11:34

other characters are around the you can talk to.

1:11:36

They are like oh I get to talk to

1:11:38

them later like that's gonna be called as other

1:11:40

people in your little how barrier that I've never

1:11:42

met before don't know who they are. They're like

1:11:44

new and interesting. Characters. Am.

1:11:47

Yeah. So this this this a bizarre way to.

1:11:50

i'm so excited for the characters as game i

1:11:52

had a bizarre experience when the first time if

1:11:55

i see the original eighties and like when we're

1:11:57

we're headed off the game was like a secret

1:11:59

i sat down with Greg and he was like, you want

1:12:01

to just like play it and see it? And it was so

1:12:04

strange because before Hades came out, if

1:12:07

you now if you Google Zagreus, you

1:12:09

get Hades before Zagreus was like a

1:12:11

very kind of minor mythological figure. But

1:12:14

because I double majored in filmmaking and

1:12:16

religious studies, I like

1:12:19

I knew who Zagreus was, it was utterly

1:12:21

bizarre to have like, Malinoway is the same

1:12:23

thing. It's like, there's all these things, there's

1:12:26

like a bunch of different interpretations of like,

1:12:28

you know, Malinoway is like a sonic nymph,

1:12:31

but also potentially like an alias for Agateen.

1:12:33

Like there's a million different ways to interpret

1:12:36

it. But um, but I studied

1:12:38

a lot of the like cult religions like

1:12:40

the Orphic cults and ancient

1:12:42

Greece and like Eleusis, the like

1:12:45

initiation rites kind of near Athens. And

1:12:48

Zagreus was like is potentially one of

1:12:51

the aliases for Orphic Dionysus, which is

1:12:53

this like, oh, funny, bizarre,

1:12:55

cultic figure. So it was

1:12:57

like, it was so weird sitting down to play Hades,

1:12:59

because it was, imagine like the most

1:13:01

niche thing you've ever been into in your life.

1:13:04

And then you're like working at your video games job. And

1:13:06

they're like, hey, we made a game about that, like

1:13:08

weird thing only you care of it was just so

1:13:11

fucking strange. So yeah, I was you're so you're probably

1:13:13

gonna love all of these, like

1:13:15

new combinations of what new people

1:13:17

new gods, first of all, because this one

1:13:19

does seem to like, because I know I

1:13:21

knew you were into like a lot of

1:13:23

that sort of like, I don't

1:13:26

know, in my head, it's like paganism,

1:13:28

meek meek Greek mythology or whatever. But

1:13:30

this seems to be bending towards a

1:13:32

lot more of that stuff. And which

1:13:35

may or may not be the case, I'm very interested in what

1:13:37

you are. My favorite thing about because

1:13:39

I was a like, I'm a Greek, you

1:13:43

know, history or Greek God sort of like,

1:13:45

and, you know, a hobbyist,

1:13:47

like I enjoy the the

1:13:50

stories and stuff like that, but I definitely didn't

1:13:52

study in college it, but I was just really

1:13:54

happy that the game pronounces Demeter the way I

1:13:56

do. Because whenever people say Demeter,

1:13:58

it does my fucking at it, which

1:14:01

I think is actually probably more accurate. I'm

1:14:03

not sure, but I've always called her Demeter. So

1:14:05

when the game did, I was like, Oh, I

1:14:08

think Demeter is actually more accurate. I don't know.

1:14:10

I feel like Demeter sounds

1:14:12

like an Americanization over pronunciation of

1:14:14

an E maybe in there, like

1:14:16

semi final kind of thing. Yeah.

1:14:18

Yeah. It's like when people read

1:14:20

like like Japanese, like manga, you

1:14:22

know, it sticks because it's like

1:14:25

what you hear people say. But it's the character

1:14:27

in Japanese is Ma. So it's like manga. You

1:14:29

know what I mean? Right. Yeah. Yeah. But then

1:14:31

if you try too hard, that you're that guy

1:14:33

who's like, actually, it's manga. Yeah. Acura. I've

1:14:36

been watching Acura. Yeah. Yeah. For watching

1:14:38

a lot of Shogun recently, so that's

1:14:40

probably helping do a lot of us. Nice.

1:14:43

Engine. And any

1:14:45

final hey, these two questions? No, I'd

1:14:47

like to play it. Yeah, I'm excited to play it. They

1:14:49

made a sequel. Yeah. My biggest question is if

1:14:52

it drops in early access, is it coming to

1:14:54

console? Because I can play it on PC, but

1:14:56

I like grinding achievements and trophies. So I don't

1:14:58

know. It's a good question. I wonder their pipeline

1:15:00

has usually been one. One

1:15:04

platform. I also wonder, are they going to do

1:15:07

they probably are going to do epic again this time, but

1:15:10

but I doubt they have the business deal they had last

1:15:12

time. Although who fucking knows? Oh,

1:15:14

it says it'll be initially I'm on the Wikipedia here.

1:15:16

Initially, excuse the windows, the esteem and the epic game

1:15:18

store. The super giant has plans to bring to other

1:15:20

systems. So I would suspect

1:15:22

they're so pragmatic there. I suspect they're going

1:15:25

to keep it early access on on

1:15:27

PC. Also, like their early access is

1:15:29

kind of a like

1:15:32

as much as it is somewhat getting a

1:15:34

bit more funds to me. I

1:15:37

think they do their early access in a very we're

1:15:39

doing this because we need to refine the game situation

1:15:42

kind of way. So if they're

1:15:44

busy trying to get this thing running properly on

1:15:46

multiple machines, it probably is just taking time away

1:15:48

from the real reason to do

1:15:50

it. I also think console gating it is

1:15:53

kind of like a natural way of having Like

1:15:56

a threshold across when it's fully released

1:15:58

because I Think that's like Haiti. Blew

1:16:00

up in such a way that people I

1:16:02

know who are not a lot people who

1:16:04

are Capital G gamers played Hades because it's

1:16:06

accessible and fun and popular and looks good

1:16:09

and was fun to play whatever so I

1:16:11

think that like leaving that's towards the end

1:16:13

they think is also a natural form of

1:16:15

progress in a work or as as opposed

1:16:17

to having everyone have early access to with

1:16:19

the entire time. I wonder how

1:16:21

long it'll be there and access for Because

1:16:23

they solve a lot of their design. They've

1:16:25

never had to do this. They've. You.

1:16:27

Know like passed into transistor like go

1:16:30

watch all of our documentaries on every

1:16:32

through bridge. I they would like the

1:16:34

start of transistors with them. Fuckin.

1:16:37

Doing tech demos for like six months

1:16:39

or hate and like throwing everything else

1:16:41

and then. Similarly, With that

1:16:43

at with pyre like figuring out what

1:16:45

the fuck that game was and then.

1:16:48

Hades to as well as as he says it

1:16:50

is. Also they had to reinvent the wheel is

1:16:52

the first time they've been like oh we have

1:16:55

the engine. We know, How do we know the

1:16:57

characters? We know how to do this. Ours. We.

1:17:00

Were past preproduction. Subtle in a lot of

1:17:02

ways we just need to like figure out

1:17:04

what the game is. the story, the characters,

1:17:06

the weapons at all that stuff. the stuff

1:17:08

to do. It is the lot of games

1:17:10

to make, but I do wonder how far

1:17:12

along they are. On the path is also

1:17:15

a lot of the question they're asking during

1:17:17

early access were technical ones and now I

1:17:19

used suspects with this technical test. Their answer:

1:17:21

no honors classes right off the bass Am

1:17:23

and it's just going to be a content

1:17:25

push from. From. Now on Am.

1:17:28

So. Who knows. like the early access to the first

1:17:30

game was internet access for. I want

1:17:32

to say almost two years a year and

1:17:34

a half of the go as was a

1:17:36

December his game awards until I think eighties

1:17:38

want him at and was an august of

1:17:40

twenty Twenty. One. And or ice.

1:17:43

Timing. Is so hard to say no

1:17:45

when he twenty documentary tony's course it as

1:17:47

the last them since. September.

1:17:49

As as. Young. As of

1:17:51

September. August. Twenty Twenty

1:17:53

One September. Yeah, And. Then

1:17:55

or to access was with September. Twenty Twenty

1:17:58

is our price. A Copyright. Nice.

1:18:00

Nice. Hair. Looks like video

1:18:02

have am. Or two years. Almost

1:18:04

two years. So I. But I do. I wonder like I.

1:18:07

Come at the. Had a know maybe

1:18:09

we'll be at all on maybe will be but

1:18:11

the seats effort access launches This guy spoken for

1:18:14

biomes and at them were like okay now this

1:18:16

is right this is going at like later this

1:18:18

year plus. I. Don't suspect that,

1:18:20

necessarily. bus. Will. Have to say

1:18:22

why doesn't it looks like off my lawn the said

1:18:24

this this technique got us is gonna be over soon

1:18:27

I think and then. Or the axis

1:18:29

is common thick as soon after so. They

1:18:32

go break off am I hope we

1:18:34

get to do another Ah documentary with

1:18:36

those guys? And yeah as they make

1:18:38

awesome games yeah we we so thoroughly

1:18:40

documented the second her to Alvin is

1:18:42

rates in fact a It's something I've

1:18:44

been thinking a lot of our recently

1:18:46

when I'm thinking of ideas for future.said

1:18:49

like the deal is that I. They're.

1:18:52

Like if someone has a question is one

1:18:54

month Hades in there like was kinda crazy.

1:18:56

I wonder like how was made and wonder

1:18:58

how they decide on these things. It's cool

1:19:00

that we've created record of that. Ah yeah

1:19:02

and and is Now I've been kind of

1:19:04

interrogating my history of games I've loved and

1:19:06

didn't like looking them up and see how

1:19:08

much information as there. but the developers of

1:19:10

these games and the ones that the that

1:19:12

that have the least accessible information are kind

1:19:14

of ones. Now that I am becoming more

1:19:16

obsessed with tracking down interviews on because Slake.

1:19:18

It. Out like it as a lot of what we

1:19:21

do is you know we love video games. we just

1:19:23

one of i talk to people there video games and

1:19:25

preserve the history of us but there is kind of.

1:19:27

Occasionally we get to do sort of like an investigative

1:19:29

journalism thing where we can ask people about things that

1:19:32

are lesser talked about or they give answers that unexpectedly

1:19:34

reveal information that isn't out there yet so become more

1:19:36

interested in being like this we had of that you

1:19:38

know like what what games have been me that people

1:19:40

love but don't really know that much about how they

1:19:42

were made and can we get people to talk with

1:19:45

them. Yeah. It totally and

1:19:47

I there's so much on the table without original

1:19:49

Hades one as well. I feel like to be

1:19:51

very easy for us to do liquor the go

1:19:53

a deep dive on that. We know that game

1:19:56

so well not have the problem leading documentaries is

1:19:58

really need to know the game mama. the

1:20:00

time unity to play a lot of at are

1:20:02

just have like a broad knowledge of us am.

1:20:05

Yeah. We can't break the streak, you know? We've.

1:20:07

Got a mall Past instances to us here. The last

1:20:09

question my com says if you could go back to

1:20:11

any one of their other three games, which one would

1:20:13

you make a sequel to? Bastion.

1:20:16

And transistor pile I

1:20:18

just try transistor ira

1:20:20

synthesis of and either

1:20:22

gave. Passionate. So like pick

1:20:24

up and play by transistor like touch to be

1:20:26

on a deeper level and and. Frank.

1:20:29

I did really like transit selling. I got

1:20:31

the platinum minute, but I haven't revisited Bastian.

1:20:33

They I play it when it came on

1:20:35

X Box, that arcade and every plate it's

1:20:37

I would absolutely play a sequel, The Bastion

1:20:39

right? I think I go transistors.

1:20:41

Well I'm a big of a big

1:20:44

poster of Read right outside the store.

1:20:46

It's like a very important thing to

1:20:48

me. I absolutely adored us. Am. And

1:20:50

also I can see. There.

1:20:52

Are elements of the combat in my game that. You

1:20:55

that. Are a little bit like oh

1:20:57

they are way him. They don't have the

1:20:59

experience they had when they made eighties like

1:21:01

that. They would be able to find the

1:21:03

stuff up at an interesting way by adjusting

1:21:06

the vibe and of the the music in

1:21:08

that game is good for by do a

1:21:10

musical. Haiti's Do is fucking dope Darren Korb

1:21:12

who knew what a fucking surprise Down Cross

1:21:14

the great job on the music am. Yeah.

1:21:17

And the sack the sound system punchy, the

1:21:19

compression on the voices on the voice acting

1:21:21

they all the voice actors they get their

1:21:23

just it's such a I was listening to

1:21:25

a podcast boys playing as I for about

1:21:28

ten seconds and I was like i can't

1:21:30

I can't I'm playing this game and all

1:21:32

of the music their god the fuckin the

1:21:34

characters it'd sound effects or to punchy that

1:21:36

when the when they swoop in and start

1:21:39

talking to are you know Aphrodite turns off

1:21:41

and after to sit there oh my face

1:21:43

under my father my hands listening to her

1:21:45

speak. Yes, Mommy some some is

1:21:47

A tell me what you want Mommy's

1:21:49

are there any less success A our

1:21:52

hey so seventy five every I can't

1:21:54

believe you to tell me Twenty Twenty

1:21:56

four we'd have a bike as we

1:21:58

talked about Hades and follow. The second

1:22:00

the same I would Assad's Iraq or a

1:22:02

they've. Tried

1:22:07

before we got here we are far an email

1:22:10

I think the came through yeah we had an

1:22:12

email and of people do you want to send

1:22:14

us an email Sent the message at Podcast that

1:22:16

Know club.video or in our discord for for patrons

1:22:18

are August Graham Send an email. What's.

1:22:21

The value and video game there's.

1:22:23

Also. What are your thoughts on video games

1:22:25

and gambling games? You can be more similar as

1:22:27

businesses. I recognized the central profits. How do

1:22:30

you guys feel? Media writing and generally human narratives?

1:22:32

The changed since the internet has proliferated. The Plant

1:22:34

for seventy questions are here Friday. that is one.

1:22:36

Quite a fucking idiot. He wrote three at L

1:22:39

Insider individual thought Napot as was incredible. Documents

1:22:41

works. Thank you for your hard work and avid.

1:22:43

Know club or know club you are but a

1:22:45

yellow. Still safe. The top one. What's the value

1:22:47

in video game narratives? Man. That's a

1:22:50

broad question and I'm just talking about it.

1:22:52

Think about Hades Some I am. I

1:22:54

don't know. I'm not a writer. I don't. I

1:22:56

don't answer question, I don't offer writing. I. Could

1:22:59

I could not tell you it's It's rare

1:23:01

for me to really care about video games

1:23:03

story so I feel like the more trophy

1:23:05

or like be movie ask the better I'd

1:23:08

say like idea Max Payne and Resident Evil

1:23:10

are both so like. Almost. Like

1:23:12

satirical, a house silly and over the top there.

1:23:14

but that's why. Like them. So. I don't

1:23:16

know I i I see like. Stories. Always

1:23:18

like. So far back when it

1:23:20

comes to video games in a game gets me

1:23:22

like major lossless as amazing but that's like. I.

1:23:25

I care more about the setting or tone so on are now. I'm

1:23:28

I'm personally I you could give

1:23:31

me the most like convoluted, obscure

1:23:33

murky story in the world as

1:23:35

if you fill it with good

1:23:38

compelling, dynamic three dimensional characters own

1:23:40

fucking go to bat for you.

1:23:42

I yeah I like I like

1:23:45

games. Where does Y O his

1:23:47

latest rpgs? As good as I

1:23:49

like games where you meet characters,

1:23:52

end the relationship between your character

1:23:54

in their care for something that

1:23:56

is dynamic and changing. and evolving i

1:23:59

like games with sounds I like

1:24:01

games where you meet a character and they're kind

1:24:03

of like, I'm out here for myself, kid. Don't

1:24:06

fucking look to me for answers. And then five

1:24:08

hours later, they're like, I won't let you die,

1:24:10

dude. I love watching that

1:24:12

evolution. Speaking of watch, did

1:24:15

you finish Fallout? No,

1:24:17

not yet. Okay, okay. Cool. I'll

1:24:19

check in on that later. And then what are our thoughts on video games?

1:24:21

I'm going to cut the last one just because we're rolling over here. Thoughts

1:24:24

on video games and gambling becoming more similar as

1:24:26

businesses of record? I don't know, have they?

1:24:29

I don't know. I think if

1:24:31

you went into an arcade 20 years

1:24:34

ago, they reflected the video games

1:24:36

of 20 years ago. I

1:24:39

think that it maybe looks that way

1:24:41

sometimes because you go into an arcade and

1:24:43

it's all digital screens or a casino. I

1:24:45

mean, sorry, not arcade, a casino and it's

1:24:47

all digital screens and stuff like

1:24:49

that. I think gameplay

1:24:52

wise, video games have started to

1:24:54

do more things that the gambling industry has been

1:24:56

doing for a long time. So

1:24:58

in many ways, I

1:25:01

think we're sort of late to

1:25:03

the party on us. And I do think there should still

1:25:06

be some, like I was banging

1:25:08

this drum about Destiny years ago with the

1:25:10

Skinner box stuff. And there's aspects of live

1:25:12

games that I really, I

1:25:15

think are anti-gaming. But

1:25:19

it's funny because sometimes we were happy to submit

1:25:21

to that stuff as well, like because we had

1:25:23

a long day at work and we don't want

1:25:25

to have to fucking, I don't need a big

1:25:27

narrative thing right now. I just want to see

1:25:29

the numbers go up. So it's

1:25:31

hard. It's hard to account for

1:25:33

what is something that is predatory.

1:25:35

I guess when money is involved,

1:25:37

but then also we live in

1:25:39

an attention economy now. So your

1:25:41

time is money. So like

1:25:44

when, where is that threshold? I honestly

1:25:46

don't know. Yeah, I

1:25:49

don't know. I mean, I fucking

1:25:51

hate microtransactions. So Like, and

1:25:53

I know they've gotten more normalized than I've had to kind

1:25:55

of like not die on the hill just because I don't

1:25:57

want to, I don't want to be the old fogey. It's

1:26:00

too tiring a conversation to have every

1:26:02

time. But like. I. Think all that

1:26:04

should sox I think like it draws focus

1:26:06

away from the things that matter turn like

1:26:09

game design and narrative and immersion and seem

1:26:11

an atmosphere. And. I

1:26:13

think all that shit sucks and I wish there

1:26:15

was left with it and I think these it

1:26:17

does. The guy think we should get rid of

1:26:19

it and we should return. Dude tradition start getting

1:26:21

about that are I'm but yeah no I've added

1:26:23

are either. I think he has as it's less

1:26:26

gambling but I think they plays into it because

1:26:28

a lot of the microphones and stuff is like.

1:26:30

By. The Ultimate Prize Box and see what's inside?

1:26:32

And like I got to know what's inside the

1:26:35

prize box and it's only five dollars? is. What's.

1:26:39

In the prize back the should be a Dlc

1:26:41

for Pulp Fiction where the tell you what's in

1:26:43

the case segue into them. The I met at

1:26:45

like a video after the fact. Oh her I

1:26:47

would buy that. The I would buy

1:26:49

that him back the august for the email am.

1:26:52

The. The lot of there

1:26:54

was a there was a segway them sitting

1:26:56

right there and I forgot the now because

1:26:58

I've I've gone over my ninety minutes of

1:27:00

podcast by may have turned into putting brain

1:27:03

Danny Am. Oh yeah they go. If you're

1:27:05

interested in talking the hearing about game's design

1:27:07

and how they may be are close to

1:27:09

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1:27:11

Row interview over on our new our podcast

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1:27:15

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1:27:17

was thick like a link in the description.

1:27:20

Something like that. add a new podcast show

1:27:22

was called. Dear Dwyer, read it as

1:27:24

an interview show where of myself and

1:27:26

as a guest talk about some aspect

1:27:28

of the world a video games they

1:27:30

are they are edited by Jessica Russia

1:27:32

and sort of sitting in the middle

1:27:34

of the not quite like a life

1:27:36

well wasted levels of production but way

1:27:38

more had such as their sit down

1:27:40

conversational podcasts air were telling stories as

1:27:42

boy sober am reading a really sort

1:27:44

of like piece together stories to the

1:27:46

first ones all about the development of

1:27:48

blotter up. And. We've other ones

1:27:50

are like the anniversary of New Blood Turning

1:27:52

and Ten Years Old. There we had a

1:27:54

conversation with the developers of Pacific Drive and

1:27:57

talk to read forward about War Frame which

1:27:59

came up right. Those well. And.

1:28:01

We've got more and more air on the

1:28:03

in the pipeline as well. We're gonna get

1:28:05

up so that every two weeks is the

1:28:07

plan. Could these are added as as episodes?

1:28:10

There's no ads on the feed. There's no

1:28:12

patron exclusive stuff with this one. we're just

1:28:14

getting it out there. Kind of like are

1:28:16

documentaries and the idea is that it It

1:28:18

creates a space for you know us to

1:28:21

get more documentary stories out there but also

1:28:23

way for me to like. Talk about something

1:28:25

I find interesting this am at. You know

1:28:27

that I think would be fun to to

1:28:29

produce these like many audio documentaries. About basically

1:28:32

some beer Dwyer a D w why

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he or why is he I add

1:28:36

the name of the show some my

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big say just El Gato. they're great

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1:28:44

said it's Jeff with us and day

1:28:46

yeah the traitor should be up by

1:28:48

the time despite cast as out and

1:28:50

then we will be following up I

1:28:52

believe next week on May first. With.

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