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alone sir and I'm from Gladstone on

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Thursday. Six months into the

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Israeli Palestinian War, the United

3:36

States officially. Called for a

3:38

ceasefire to stabilize and improve humanitarian

3:41

situation and protect innocent civilians. Secretary

3:43

of State Anthony Blink and and

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years primus Virginia to empowers goes

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hitters to conclude a deal without

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hop. This following news

3:54

from Monday night when Israeli Defense

3:56

Forces the I D S fired

3:59

on what. Central Kitchen Aid

4:01

Workers in Gaza. The victims fled

4:03

from one call to another, but

4:06

they were targeted again and then

4:08

again. Even. Though the nonprofit

4:10

says it was coordinating it's

4:12

movement which Israel's military seven.

4:15

Aid workers were killed. Israel's.

4:17

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu call

4:19

the incident tragic and unintentional.

4:22

also saying quite this happens

4:24

in War. Well said

4:26

to teach him has been distributing

4:28

three hundred and sixty thousand feels

4:31

the same. The W C K

4:33

has more pulled over surprise at

4:35

least temporarily from cause the Un

4:37

World Food Programme has scaled back

4:39

it's operations along with two other

4:42

humanitarian organizations Project Hope and a

4:44

narrow American Near East Refugee Aid.

4:46

this is the first time and

4:48

fifty six years that we've had

4:50

to pause operations. Rebecca Auburn studied

4:53

in an Era board member speaking.

4:55

To Npr salsa the first time that we've

4:57

lost a staff member of a sour in

4:59

an Israeli missile strikes. There have been almost

5:02

two hundred humanitarian aid workers that have died

5:04

in the past six months. That death

5:06

toll includes at least a hundred

5:08

and seventy six employees of unrest

5:10

The United Nations. Relief and Works

5:13

Administration for Palestine Refugees in the

5:15

Near East. Founded in

5:17

Nineteen Forty Ninth, the organization

5:19

manages education, health, and many

5:22

other services. for some six

5:24

million Palestinian refugees across the

5:26

region with over thirteen. Thousand

5:28

unwrap workers in Gaza. It

5:30

was by far. The largest group

5:33

working with Israel to bring in aid

5:35

to the Strip until last week View

5:37

Ad Agency for Palestinian refugees as Israel

5:39

will no longer allow their food from

5:41

was from and three northern Gaza where

5:43

people are dying of hunger. Israeli. Prime

5:45

Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has now calling for

5:48

an end to unwrap. Hills is specifically

5:50

is accusing on rest his soul the

5:52

thing complicit in the October Seventh math

5:54

attack against Israel. I. Was

5:56

there in miserable the time it became

5:59

be going. Sometimes people talk about

6:01

how about. Three. Weeks amount

6:03

of May who'll three vast of

6:05

is a correspondent at the Financial

6:07

Times where until recently he served

6:09

as Jerusalem Bureau Chief. The idea

6:11

that somebody who was on the

6:13

payroll of seventy five year old

6:15

agency whose job is to care

6:17

for Palestinians and maybe take part

6:19

in some of the frosting against

6:21

Israeli citizens on October seventh kicked

6:23

off the pretty furious news cycle

6:26

he began on January twenty six

6:28

when Unwra announced had fired ten

6:30

Palestinian employees who had allegedly participated

6:32

in. The October Seventh Attacks. These.

6:34

Allegations came from Israeli intelligence and

6:37

over the next few days media

6:39

across the world got their hands

6:41

on in Israeli dossier We saw

6:43

the dossier were described in our

6:45

stories for our readers, summary of

6:47

a set of allegations conclusions that

6:49

does unnamed into the seasons he

6:52

had reached and it had the

6:54

means of his who people and

6:56

rather broad allegations against unranked large.

6:59

But. Didn't have any of the supporting

7:01

evidence. That's interesting because one

7:03

of the first articles in the

7:05

American press about these allegations came

7:07

from the A piece which preferred

7:09

to quote detailed allegations against under

7:11

a workers. So either the eighty

7:14

had access to something else or.

7:16

They characterize it differently than you are now.

7:19

On the allegations are details as

7:21

the evidence of a scan to the

7:23

document that we saw the allegations of

7:26

very specific that this person or that

7:28

person had crossed over into Israel proper

7:30

had part in this or this atrocity

7:33

and there was one indication that it

7:35

came from cell phone location data and

7:37

from Id card and retrieved from bodies

7:40

were found inside Israel after the been

7:42

killed the security forces but it wasn't

7:44

presented as well. Have decided card

7:46

of dislocation date of this is a

7:49

we. Reached this very, very damning

7:51

conclusion about this one individual and

7:53

then repeated the process for another

7:55

twelve people. Early. Media

7:57

reports emphasized other allegations.

8:00

From Israeli Intelligence on January twenty

8:02

ninth, Reuters rate of story with

8:04

the headline israel accuses a hundred

8:06

ninety Un staff of being a

8:08

hardened militants The Wall Street Journal's

8:10

piece on that same day featured

8:12

the sub heading around ten percent

8:14

of Palestinian aid agencies. Twelve thousand

8:16

staff and Gaza have links to

8:18

militants. According to intelligence dossier I

8:20

can say that is awesome is

8:22

that we thought not provide any

8:24

evidence with these things. Perhaps Reuters

8:26

was determined access to a deeper

8:28

document that I had. But our

8:31

understanding from speaking to other people within

8:33

this really until this networks his head.

8:35

At some point during a raid that

8:37

took place in a certain part of

8:40

the Gaza Strip, a computer was taken

8:42

away for examination and there was a

8:44

list of members on that and to

8:46

cross reference that would the employers that

8:49

on or as and rhesus conclusion i'm

8:51

not seems computer other things evidence is

8:53

only described to me by somebody was

8:55

asked to price of time and effort

8:58

or what the dossier sending us and

9:00

further. We. Have now reached a

9:02

conclusion on or ninety people have ties

9:04

to hospital dense or didn't find any

9:06

evidence for that. Tell me

9:08

about what is any other prove

9:11

has emerged to help corroborate Israel's

9:13

account since the story first broke.

9:16

There's been a small drip drip

9:18

affects every the presented an Israeli

9:20

media or in other media that

9:22

included cctv footage of one person

9:24

that was described as it on

9:26

Room for You picking up a

9:28

body from One Couples in the

9:30

South on October seventh. And.

9:32

Then there was later on had south

9:35

pole these were named that would lead

9:37

to this really media would for their

9:39

identity photos and though I suppose also

9:41

reported on this cctv footage people have

9:44

to the same footage and I know

9:46

a lot of the people that and

9:48

did match behavior and activities with seen

9:50

must artist take part in October seventh.

9:53

A. Couple days after these allegations were

9:56

first made public, Us Secretary of

9:58

State Anthony Blinken said during. Press

10:00

Conference: The reports that we got last week

10:02

and on or brought them to us. For

10:05

deeply. Deeply. Troubling, He went on

10:07

to say we haven't had the ability would that's

10:09

to get them ourselves but. They are

10:11

highly, highly credible. What do you think? He was

10:14

basing this on? He says

10:16

us Secretary of State he have access

10:18

to information that I don't how especially

10:20

given adept as a relationship Us intelligence

10:23

services have of Israeli intelligence services. This.

10:25

Is part of why I want

10:27

to speak with Democratic Sen. Chris

10:29

Van Hollen of Maryland. When we

10:31

spoke on Monday, I asked him

10:33

about Israel's claim that ten percent

10:35

of unrest is affiliated with Hamas

10:37

or other militants. I

10:39

have looked at the Us Intelligence

10:42

on this and let me just

10:44

say that my interpretation of that

10:46

is that. That claim

10:48

that has been totally. Overblown

10:51

and I will leave it at that he

10:53

caught a good. Be more than that, I

10:55

think the evidence is insufficient. I would also

10:58

make another point which is that on raw.

11:00

Year after year has provided

11:03

not only Israel but the

11:05

United States with the names

11:07

of all of their employees

11:10

in Gaza of thirteen thousand.

11:12

Israel has a very capable

11:14

intelligence service that can always

11:17

that those names and report

11:19

any concerns to unwrap. With

11:22

respect to the up to fourteen

11:24

members of en route who may

11:26

well have been complicit in ours

11:29

october seventh, absolutely, They need to

11:31

be investigated that need to be

11:33

fully held accountable. But. The

11:35

reality is that we shouldn't. Punish.

11:39

Two million innocent Palestinians

11:41

in Gaza who rely

11:43

on Unwra to provide

11:45

that desperately needs assistance

11:47

because of that terrible

11:49

alleged acts. Of fourteen.

11:52

Last month, Congress passed a bill that

11:54

will band Us funds for the agency

11:56

three Twenty Twenty Five as part of

11:58

the last minute spending. Well, although he

12:00

opposed it, Senator Van Hollen voted for

12:03

the bill. He told me because he

12:05

wanted to avoid a government shutdown. Many.

12:08

Of my colleagues have fallen

12:10

for the. Big. Netanyahu

12:12

government lie which is

12:14

that on Raw is

12:16

somehow a proxy or

12:18

an agent of Hamas.

12:20

This is just pure.

12:23

Nonsense. Then he has been

12:25

try to get rid of honor a sense about twenty

12:27

seventy. right? Long before the

12:29

most recent allegations arose, the person

12:31

on the ground in Gaza who

12:33

is the. Main point person

12:36

for unwrap. Is. Actually a

12:38

Us Army that about a twenty

12:40

year. That in the Us

12:42

Army, I've met with them personally.

12:44

I can assure you he is

12:46

not an agent of Hamas. Still,

12:50

Israeli officials say they can no

12:52

longer let on raid into northern

12:54

Gaza and that eat in general

12:57

is scarce because Hamas is taking

12:59

it. It's a Palestinian but spoke

13:01

with an Israeli officer who said

13:03

so Idea Lieutenant Colonel Jonathan can

13:06

wreak is on N B C

13:08

that he sees google workers that

13:10

are controlled by Hamas and hummus

13:13

goes into goons our facilities and

13:15

takes food food that is paid

13:17

for by Us taxpayers dollars. President.

13:19

Bidens. Us envoy in the region has

13:22

said that Israel has not provided American

13:24

officials with evidence of the claim that

13:26

Hamas is stealing aid. May. Who'll

13:29

three vast of the financial times doesn't

13:31

believe it either. There is

13:33

no overwhelming evidence to support this

13:35

litigation. We have seen isolated incidents

13:38

where. Does. Been video on

13:40

social media of perhaps somebody who may

13:42

be tied to mass being involved in

13:44

may be one convoy when Trump I

13:46

was It is at this moment right

13:48

now the several different battles that are

13:51

going on. There's the actual fighting between

13:53

the Idea and Hamas militants. There's

13:55

a diplomatic bhalla going on at the

13:57

Un that I had other places. and

14:00

other media battle going on. And Israeli

14:02

Army has had for a long time

14:04

a very well developed and very effective

14:07

media outreach program and this is the

14:09

employer The. That. The reason people

14:11

in does or hunger I house because I'm a

14:13

steely. The media battle

14:15

that may who avast a described reads

14:18

is on in Washington D C. Were

14:20

advocates like Sen. Chris Van Hollen have

14:22

used the press to try to alter

14:25

the course of the war. You've been

14:27

on quite a media tour. You've been

14:29

on Face the Nation, Cbs, Msnbc. Ah,

14:32

we need to focus on getting the

14:34

hostages back and a ceasefire and this

14:36

is why I'm for a his I

14:38

have a situation where Netanyahu. Continues

14:41

said essentially. They'll

14:43

give the finger. So. The President

14:45

I says and are sending who are you

14:47

trying to reach by doing these interviews The

14:50

President. Would. Struggle. Work.

14:52

Obviously, I hope to influence the

14:54

President the by the ministration. I've

14:56

been critical about the fact that

14:59

they have not used affectively all

15:01

the tools they have to try

15:03

to enforce the President's own demands

15:05

on getty More Sisters into Gaza

15:08

when you've got people who were

15:10

dying of starvation literally. Instill.

15:13

The president's the man's requests a

15:15

bit matt. It doesn't seem

15:18

to make sense to. Be given

15:20

a blank check. To. The

15:22

Netanyahu government in the form of additional

15:24

bombs and other kinds of equipment. Do.

15:26

You think we will give that blank check anyway? War.

15:29

Right now the By Demonstration has decided

15:32

to send more. Bombs.

15:34

In my view. They.

15:37

Essentially, once again found a

15:39

way to do an end

15:41

run around the congressional notification

15:43

process. That Congressional verification

15:45

process provides an opportunity for

15:48

concerned members of Congress to.

15:51

Way. Him against any

15:53

proposed transfer but by.

15:56

Structuring. These latest transfers

15:58

the way they did. The

16:00

By administration has done an

16:02

end run around that process

16:04

center. I'm straight understand what

16:06

motivates you personally. Why are

16:08

you devoting so much time

16:10

to this issue? Given how

16:12

controversial it can be Her

16:14

a member of Congress to

16:17

repeatedly accused the President of

16:19

Israel of lying. What's driving

16:21

you on this fight? Well.

16:23

I do believe we have to

16:25

be true to our values and

16:28

our principles and that we cannot.

16:30

Apply them only. To.

16:33

Our adversaries we have to

16:35

also apply them to. Friends.

16:37

And allies. And if we don't do that,

16:40

we will lose credibility everywhere around the world,

16:42

which is what I'm afraid is happening. right?

16:45

Now as we speak, if we want

16:47

to argue that we stay on for

16:49

democracy, we stand for human rights That

16:51

we have to fight for those principles.

16:54

No. Matter what the circumstances are

16:56

and otherwise we justifiably accused of

16:58

a in double standards and being

17:00

hypocrites and so I stand with

17:03

the President in supporting Israel's right

17:05

to self defense in the aftermath

17:07

of October Seventh. How.

17:11

It conducts a just war

17:13

matters and it needs to

17:15

be conducted justly. Center.

17:17

Thank you very much Thank you!

17:20

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17:22

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to a February fifth protest

19:10

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19:12

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19:14

under Kindergarten Teachers Learn to.

19:17

Hate and want to kill

19:19

Jews. Say spend seventy

19:21

five years indoctrinating Arabs all

19:24

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19:26

Israel and to never

19:28

accept the it's offer a

19:31

face. These accusations that unreal

19:33

radicalized as Palestinian refugees long predates

19:35

the latest war. Since Twenty Twenty

19:38

Two unrest says it's investigated sixty

19:40

six neutrality breaches among it's thirty

19:42

thousand workers including alleged support for

19:45

Hamas and other extremist groups. For

19:47

about twenty or thirty years now,

19:49

Indra has been a target of

19:52

right wing Israeli politicians for historical

19:54

reasons may who three vast of

19:57

Financial Times correspondent who we heard

19:59

from. There in the show to

20:01

an interest up in Nineteen Forty Nine,

20:04

it was essentially the only international

20:06

agency, the biggest Un agency taking care

20:08

of passing and of as he's not

20:10

Just and Gaza in the West Bank,

20:13

and in Lebanon and Syria and Jordan

20:15

elsewhere. In Forty Eight, there were about

20:17

some are fifty thousand housing refugees.

20:19

Today, Unwra is a clause I steep

20:22

incline mostly Palestinian workers. His size and

20:24

scope would likely surprise it's founders who

20:26

envisioned it as a temporary solution

20:28

to the intractable politics. In the region

20:30

just after the establishment of Israel and

20:33

the displacement of Palestinians have one of

20:35

it's original mandates was based off resolution

20:37

The Refugees Of The Wharf Ninety Forty

20:39

Eight that first the State of Israel.

20:42

Have a right to return to their

20:44

homeland. He's referring to Un General Assembly

20:47

Resolution One Nine Four which stated that

20:49

quote refugees wishing to return to their

20:51

homes and live at peace with their

20:54

neighbors to be permitted to do so

20:56

at the earliest practicable date with Palestinians

20:58

Today call the right of return this

21:01

issue the right to return as over

21:03

time because one of the most politically

21:05

explosive issues between Israelis and Palestinians. Lex.

21:08

Tack and Berg is a humanitarian law

21:10

expert and a former Chief of Ethics

21:13

for Unrest, where he worked for thirty

21:15

years. He's. Written extensively about the

21:17

origins of the agency and he says

21:19

that to understand the current a Battle

21:21

over unwrap, you have to look at

21:24

it's predecessor, the United Nations Conciliation Commission

21:26

for Palestine, which was formed to mediate

21:28

with the Arab Nations and Israel and

21:31

find a solution to the refugee crisis.

21:33

So in early Forty Nine started to

21:35

meet with angry on the first Israeli

21:38

president and urged him to take were

21:40

for to spend as the mounted by

21:42

the General Assembly and agree on sounds

21:44

worse or stem. Into formative states,

21:47

we have enough of a demographic

21:49

issue with those. Kind of seems

21:51

that the most of these are

21:53

not gonna take risks. Suspect. So

21:55

essentially Ben Gurion felt that giving

21:58

citizenship to these Palestinian refugees. Would

22:01

threaten. Israel's Jewish majority. That's

22:03

what it comes down to

22:05

Towards the summer of forty

22:07

nine, for six months into

22:09

the men did they begin

22:11

to seems you know okay

22:13

as three solutions or effigy

22:16

problems The desirable one is

22:18

voluntary return repatriation to where

22:20

you come from. The next

22:22

best is integration into the

22:24

house countries to boundaries of

22:26

asylum then discerned last resort

22:28

to ease with settlement insert

22:30

counties. Some of the neighboring

22:33

states worried that by permanently

22:35

posting these refugees, they would

22:37

undermine the right of return.

22:39

And Israel for demographic reasons

22:42

didn't want non jews affecting

22:44

their nascent majority. And so

22:46

the Un started to scout

22:48

for alternative paths forward. And

22:51

you say that this is when the Un did

22:53

a big about face. A kind of complete

22:55

one eighty. Can you explain what happened next? The

22:58

Americans began to sink. How can

23:00

we integrate the refugees starting in

23:03

the economies of those countries? The

23:05

idea came up to bring board

23:07

and slump the President of the

23:09

Tennessee Valley Authority one of the

23:12

new Deal schemes after the Twenty

23:14

Nine. I'm some market fresh to

23:16

see whether that mirror going and

23:18

a sequel be replicated in Jordan

23:21

Valley in the of for this

23:23

base in India Sinai. the Tennessee

23:25

Valley Authority which as you mentioned.

23:28

Was the depression era public works

23:30

project? part of Str New Deal.

23:33

That. Brought economic development to

23:35

Tennessee by hiring thousands of

23:38

people to build essential infrastructure.

23:40

The theory was essentially

23:42

if we give palestinians works

23:45

though, have steady income and

23:47

maybe through employment. They

23:49

will assimilate outside of

23:52

Palestine. And. So the Israelis

23:54

don't want to grant the right to

23:56

return, but maybe through employment? The.

23:58

Palestinians. Don't want to or

24:01

need to return. Exactly

24:03

is also explains why. Us

24:05

for many, many years eight fifty

24:07

percent of unrest, Budget and robbers

24:10

very much an instrument to sort

24:12

of help. Sustain. His route

24:14

to take the pressure on return a

24:16

way they saw that a school goal

24:19

goal very quick in are you set

24:21

up these weren't screams and takes a

24:23

few years and and a house countries

24:25

will take over responsibility and that's it.

24:28

The house countries were suspicious from the

24:30

beginning and so interested just himself. So

24:32

to make a long story short the

24:34

worked in unrest name never got off

24:37

the ground. The work schemes were se

24:39

but refugees were still there and is

24:41

still needed. Support. And

24:43

and was not just sort of shelter

24:46

and food that they needed to had

24:48

children so they needed education else their

24:50

basic relief became comprehensive humanitarian assistance. I

24:52

want to talk about some of the

24:55

major narratives about on right in Israel.

24:57

First, let's start with the idea that

24:59

Unwra is getting in the way of

25:02

peace for Israel. This is something that

25:04

I've seen in the Israeli press and

25:06

from Israeli officials. In. East Peace

25:08

as defined by the Israeli

25:11

politicians special refer to which

25:13

is obese in which Israel

25:15

succeeds in replace indeed indigenous

25:17

fantasy population by a Jewish

25:19

fast majority of continued existence

25:21

of unripe seen as standing

25:24

in a way of that's

25:26

the way of return does

25:28

not depend on whether Americans

25:30

and years to exist. Their

25:32

rights to return to compensation

25:34

flows from the a galaxy

25:37

of what. Happened in Forty

25:39

Eight, Forty Nine. Another a

25:41

narrative. had I've heard referenced

25:43

by Netanyahu is his frustration

25:45

with the intergenerational refugee status

25:47

that has been granted to

25:49

descendants of the original Palestinian

25:51

refugees. Back And Twenty Seventeen,

25:53

Twenty eighteen. When Netanyahu began

25:55

trying to shut down undress,

25:57

He said that the agency.

26:00

Could not go on dealing

26:02

with the quote unquote Great

26:04

grandchildren of refugees who are

26:06

Not refugees So clearly. He.

26:09

Takes issue with the definition

26:11

of refugee that the U

26:14

N uses under the International

26:16

refugee regime and under international

26:18

refugee law. Descendants of

26:21

the original recipe. Who's.

26:24

Situation is not resolved. Continue

26:26

to be refugees. That is

26:28

not unique for the Palestinian.

26:31

Case you an Hdr dealing

26:33

with other. Prolonged.

26:35

Refugee crisis like the Afghan Refugee

26:38

Crisis or some of the refugee

26:40

crisis in Africa is also dealing

26:42

with intergenerational refugees. What makes the

26:45

policy in case unique is that

26:47

it has taken more than seventy

26:50

five years. There is still no

26:52

political settlement. Another longstanding

26:54

critique of Unwra is that.

26:57

It's schools in the Gaza

26:59

Strip, West Bank, Lebanon, Syria,

27:02

Jordan, or radicalizing Palestinian young

27:04

people. Where. Does this narrative

27:06

come from? Is there evidence for that?

27:09

That's creed? Seats. Or. Originates

27:11

in a criticism of the.

27:13

Text. Books that are being used

27:16

in the unrest schools Indo

27:18

schools text books were use

27:20

of the host countries Egypt

27:22

at a time and Jordan

27:24

and textbooks typically reflects the

27:26

stage of relations between the

27:28

country and question a it's

27:30

neighbors Israel Discover that in

27:32

his textbooks there were elements

27:34

of our sedation of armed

27:36

resistance, an anti semitic tropes

27:39

that a strongly objected to.

27:41

They started demanding a censorship

27:43

of our textbooks. And

27:45

by extension said schools in which

27:47

those textbooks I used to take

27:49

so it prompted unripe to set

27:52

up plays an arrangement whereby old

27:54

new text books that are coming

27:56

up or sort of scrutinised any

27:58

objective of com. And he's

28:00

overridden ways and Richmond materials

28:02

birds the issue of the

28:04

textbooks has remained critics of

28:06

unrest Think he goes further

28:08

than than they think that

28:10

the teachers themselves are too

28:12

sympathetic to Hamas or Islamic

28:14

Jihad. I want to play

28:16

you a clip of you

28:18

and watch Executive Director Hillel

28:20

Neuer testifying before Us. Congress

28:23

on January Thirtieth in the

28:25

lead up to the American

28:27

defunding of Unwra. Have. Come

28:29

here. The asked the Congress of United States

28:31

to not just suspend the to end the

28:33

funding for good. And. To take the

28:35

lead in dissolving an organization that is

28:37

riddled with incitement to hate, involvement in

28:40

terrorism and the perpetuation of war even

28:42

though his article for an Outfit. That.

28:45

Is part of the

28:47

Israeli public affairs machinery

28:49

to deal with any

28:51

systematic criticism of Israeli

28:54

actions in the Occupied

28:56

territories. You when watch

28:58

mates generic statements days

29:01

have a track record

29:03

of. Roaming. The

29:05

Internet and finding objectionable

29:07

social media posts. In.

29:10

Some instances have been posted

29:12

by local Unwrap this now,

29:14

especially in the early of

29:16

war of two Thousand and

29:18

Fourteen when for the first

29:20

time of war played out

29:22

on social media. So at

29:24

that time, Un Watch was

29:26

sort of able to compile

29:28

a couple of dozen. Screenshots,

29:31

Of Unwra teachers and a few

29:33

other employees in Gaza in the

29:35

West Bank that had put objectionable

29:38

content on their social media profile

29:40

and You and Watch continues to

29:42

recycle that they have even use

29:44

these old screenshots in their recent

29:47

reports. you touched on one perspective

29:49

among the Palestinian Refugee community and

29:51

some of those who work for

29:53

under I'm Surgery or Thirty Years

29:55

You became well aware of the

29:58

diversity of opinions are more. The

30:00

Palestinians About unwrap. I imagine some

30:02

Palestinians are frustrated by the kind

30:04

of. Contradiction. Of

30:06

unwra that It was sort of. Created.

30:09

In the context of this right

30:11

to return, whenever Unwra said we

30:13

are going to move from. Distribution.

30:16

Of Flour and times to

30:18

a cast voucher. To. Help

30:20

families in hardship. There was

30:23

suspicion that this was tantamount

30:25

to abolishing the refugee issue.

30:27

When Unwra wanted to replace

30:29

the tens in the nineteen

30:31

fifties for some men bridge

30:33

shelters, this was settlement of

30:35

the refugees. Every effort that

30:37

unread son to modernize the

30:39

operations was met with suspicion.

30:41

Day first and foremost realize

30:44

that. Unripe has become

30:46

a reminder of these unresolved

30:48

political question. In January,

30:50

the Times of Israel quoted in anonymous

30:53

senior official who posed getting rid of

30:55

unread in the middle of this war.

30:57

So clearly there's some to be. In

31:00

the Israeli government's about how this

31:02

organization is beneficial to Israel, not

31:04

simply a threat. The. Military

31:06

and security establishment always said you

31:08

know let's not driver too far

31:11

on rise useful. That. Changed

31:13

with the new Israeli governments

31:15

and imperfect surge. Changed after

31:18

Seven October when essentially Netanyahu

31:20

Nd defense establishment and security

31:22

establishment became held hostage by

31:25

these extremists in the government.

31:27

A common sense approach seems

31:29

to have for now. Lost.

31:32

To the upper hand off the extremists

31:34

that say on Razor is a symbol

31:37

of the unresolved refugee question. Let's get

31:39

rid of Unwrap them. Part of the

31:41

problem is solved. Let me ask you

31:44

about that because Netanyahu has said in

31:46

his day asked her plan that he

31:48

submitted to his Were cabinet in February

31:51

that he intends to see the permanent

31:53

closure of Unwra if Unruh words close.

31:56

What? Would happen to Palestinian refugees who

31:58

rely on the agency outside. The of

32:00

Gaza. so it's not up to Israel to

32:02

decide what happens to hunt rabbit of course.

32:05

I'd run operates incorporation ways, the

32:07

host a Sword to username gods

32:09

and the West Bank. His.

32:12

Rallies The Occupying Authority on

32:14

Run must arrange and cooperate

32:16

with them and Israel can

32:18

simply stop providing. Design.

32:20

Work permits to international Enron

32:22

employees can prevent goods from

32:24

coming in and going out

32:26

when necessary. In I can

32:28

defacto prevent on Ruff from

32:30

operating. Netanyahu's also said he

32:32

wants to replace Andrea with

32:34

a new international body. And

32:37

that is our said Let Will

32:39

Food Programme take over relief operations.

32:41

Will Food program has no infrastructure

32:44

in Gaza. It doesn't have warehouses.

32:46

Definite tracks. a dozen best for

32:48

us now. So. Let's allow sort

32:50

of ironically set well that World

32:53

Food Programme off Conrad to send

32:55

for hundreds of their local personnel

32:57

to join will sort program and

32:59

we have seen a number of

33:01

improvised. Relief. Operations that went

33:03

terribly wrong and were Israel's in

33:05

on fields, desperate people trying to

33:07

get food from trucks. We have seen

33:10

what happened to the world's central feature

33:12

in a few days ago. So.

33:14

Unrest the only show in town

33:16

in Gaza. Meanwhile, the second largest

33:19

a group in Gaza American Near

33:21

East Refugee Aid announced this week

33:23

that it was suspending operations after

33:25

the attacks on World Central. Kitchen

33:28

workers on responding has been threatened.

33:30

It's operational capacity has been threatened.

33:32

The alternatives to unwrap are packing

33:34

up and leaving. What

33:37

can be done to alleviate starvation

33:39

in Gaza? By. Preventing

33:42

Unreal from operating. At

33:44

setting will Central Kitchen triggering

33:46

a nearby and other humanitarian

33:48

groups to cease operations. Israel

33:51

seems to be intends on. Mass.

33:54

Starvation as a federal

33:56

elements and it's ongoing

33:58

genocide weekend. Interpreted in

34:00

and out a way a spokesperson

34:02

from Unicef was a couple of

34:05

days. you know, I'm sitting in

34:07

front of my eyes. People who

34:09

are starving and yet twelve kilometers

34:11

away from me on the eastern

34:13

border of Gaza. Dad, tens of

34:15

thousands of trucks parked, dad's in

34:17

a match or of our school

34:19

resolve this crisis. I mean, that's

34:21

where we are. Lex.

34:24

Thank you very much thanks for having

34:26

me. Let's Talk and

34:28

Bird is a senior adviser at the

34:31

Arab Renaissance for Democracy and Development. He

34:33

formerly worked at Unwrap for over three

34:35

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36:12

mark the grand finale of college

36:15

basketball. The biggest events Cs and

36:17

Civilized College Basketball like a bit

36:19

dance as it's known is also

36:22

the biggest in terms of money

36:24

expected to change hands. The American

36:26

Gaming Association for decks an estimated

36:28

so point seven two billion dollars

36:31

will be wager on the tournament's.

36:33

An estimated sixty eight million Americans. We

36:35

heard on March Madness last year. that

36:38

number is expected to soar. Office

36:40

because in Two Thousand and

36:42

Eight Team, the Supreme court

36:45

overturned the Nineteen Ninety Two

36:47

law banning state regulated sports

36:49

gambling. Thirty eight states and

36:52

counting legalize sports betting and

36:54

the industry exploded. You've probably

36:56

seen the ads. Your quite a

36:59

short. Short regular

37:01

season to see kiwi or cherish

37:03

every over. an honor of words

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for the dynamite of comes the

37:22

guess. Simply put online sports by

37:24

the standard of twenty first century

37:26

bookmakers. Aren't the only kind of

37:29

business taking advantage of the legal gambling

37:31

market Cbs Sports make a big move

37:33

into sports betting. Our all have media

37:36

partners. Scrap Things has Turner and Bet

37:38

M T M as yacht alerting. The

37:40

September do me as remixing parents

37:42

barstool sports blog as he has

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pm back. Almost. Every major

37:46

national sports outlet e S P

37:49

N C Athletics Bleacher Report, Nbc,

37:51

Cbs The Ringer has partnered with

37:53

at least one of the four

37:56

major sports that in companies in

37:58

the country. Fan Duel. Rak

38:00

getting them Gm and Caesar's.

38:02

Their money is changing hands.

38:05

So what does that mean

38:07

for sports journalists on the

38:09

media? Producer: Rebecca Clark Calendar

38:11

has Sat story. There.

38:14

To top of mind ways

38:16

that I think a sports

38:19

journalism gambling scandal could erupt.

38:21

Brian More it's is an associate

38:24

professor and sports media scholar at

38:26

St. Bonaventure University. First one is

38:28

kind of like journalism insider information

38:30

when as a reporter you find

38:32

out somebody is not going to

38:35

play. somebody is injured so you

38:37

grab your phone and their to

38:39

apps next to each other. One

38:41

is twitter, the other one of

38:44

his fan duel. More. It says

38:46

this particular scenario is unlikely

38:48

because major sports leagues are

38:50

monitored constantly. An Mlb or

38:52

Debbie and Ba or Nsl

38:54

player can't twist an ankle

38:56

without everyone knowing and reporter

38:58

would lose credibility for gambling.

39:01

First Approach. So improbable,

39:03

but not impossible, And

39:05

then there's scenario number to. The

39:08

reporter working for media outlet.

39:10

There's a partnership where the

39:12

sports book reporting information that

39:15

directly influences abetting. Line. This

39:17

actually happened just before last year's

39:19

and be a draft. One of

39:21

the things that you can bet on his. Who

39:24

is getting drafted in What position? So

39:26

who's goes first overall? Who goes second

39:28

to the third? And what happened in

39:30

the summer of Twenty Twenty Three was

39:32

some Sir Ronnie ah ah, he covers

39:34

the M B A for the Athletic.

39:37

And yeah, he's one of the top

39:39

insiders in this room. and he also

39:41

has a partnership with Fan Duel. Surrounding

39:43

Us has two point two million

39:45

followers on acts his E S

39:47

P N counterpart Adrian was Roski

39:50

has six point three million and

39:52

be a insiders race to get

39:54

news first and when they treat

39:56

something it's possible more it said

39:58

when he first heard. There's about

40:00

the death of Koby Bryant. He didn't

40:02

really believe that was real until Wilshere.

40:04

as he tweeted it, Anyways,

40:07

Back. To Psalms. And so what

40:09

some said was heats weeded

40:11

out on draft night that

40:13

school Henderson was gaining serious

40:16

momentum to go number two

40:18

with the Charlotte Hornets. and

40:20

that went against what was

40:22

the accepted wisdom. that report

40:24

from Samsung sifted the betting

40:27

lines. Henderson went from an

40:29

underdog to a heavy favorite said the

40:31

second pic and people bet on it

40:33

because you can still make money on

40:35

favorites as long as you're willing to

40:38

put up big bucks, not to mention

40:40

some who gambled on other prospects going

40:42

third and then. With the second

40:45

pick the two thousand, forty three and

40:47

be a draft. The

40:49

Charlotte Hornets select friends

40:51

and mess. Psalms was

40:54

accused of intentionally warping the betting lines

40:56

and he was hit with a wave

40:58

of criticism on you tube and acts

41:00

Sand or had to publish a statement

41:03

saying they didn't have access to Psalms

41:05

is reporting before he shared it. Sounds

41:07

has denied this, and there's never

41:09

been any reporting to suggest that

41:11

this was motivated by the gambling

41:14

line. Since some said only

41:16

said Henderson was gaining momentum, the

41:18

scandal petered out, but more it

41:20

said credibility as an insider comes

41:22

down to perception and journalists who

41:25

gamble on their be or answer

41:27

partnerships with sports books are taking

41:29

a risk. How sports reporter said

41:31

manage? The relationship with an industry

41:34

so closely tied to their profession

41:36

has been a question from the

41:38

start. So at the very

41:40

first pro baseball games there was

41:43

very active enthusiastic betting in the

41:45

stands with people taking bets on

41:47

whether the next pitch would be

41:50

a ball or a strike, whether

41:52

the when would say mister rec

41:54

since. That's Danny Fund a contributor

41:56

to the Washington Post, was written extensively

41:59

about the gambling. World In Twenty

42:01

Twenty One, She penned an article

42:03

for Columbia Journalism Review titled All

42:05

In detailing the history of the

42:07

media's relationship with sports betting. He

42:10

says the story begins with nineteenth

42:12

century. Baseball. When the National League

42:14

was formed around that time, it's

42:16

founders were adamant that this was

42:18

an opportunity to stamp out sports

42:20

betting so that you could go

42:22

to a game and just be

42:24

casual fan without having betting rubbed

42:26

in your face. Despite best

42:28

intentions, some forty years later, they

42:31

still hadn't eradicated the scourge. The

42:33

Black Sox Scandal were eight members

42:35

of the Chicago White Sox were

42:37

accused of taking bribes to lose.

42:40

the eighteen nineteen World Series scarred

42:42

major league baseball for decades, but

42:44

intentionally losing games for kickbacks wasn't

42:47

limited. The Baseball Las Vegas started

42:49

taking bets in the late nineteen

42:51

forties just two years later. Max

42:54

Case, sports editor of the New

42:56

York and All Americans. Won a

42:58

Pulitzer for uncovering college basketball players

43:01

taking bribes. The bad press motivated

43:03

Congress and the Nineteen sixties to

43:05

enact a ten percent tax on

43:07

sports gambling revenue and in Nineteen

43:10

Sixty one to pass the Federal

43:12

Wire Act criminalizing the use of

43:14

wires to place bets or share

43:16

gambling information across state lines. And

43:19

while plenty of investigative work so

43:21

a light on gambling stark sides

43:23

media is also benefited from the

43:25

action. People from Campbell are like

43:28

your best readers, right? Brian More It.

43:30

They. Care about everything. What is

43:32

a gambler? Such it's information. Studies

43:34

have shown Sports Butters watch

43:37

significantly more games than non.

43:39

better. Still, the kind of

43:41

devoted audience a news outlet

43:43

would go to any lengths

43:45

to lock in. In Nineteen

43:47

Seventy Six, Cbs hired Jimmy

43:49

the Greek Snyder for their

43:51

Nsl pregame show. Jimmy of

43:53

Vegas oddsmaker and columnist was

43:55

just freshly pardoned by President

43:57

Ford for a felony conviction

43:59

under the. Federal Wire Act

44:01

and he was known to drop

44:03

some not so subtle hints. Do

44:05

about that with that. Darryl Green to

44:07

watch list Carter or return? that was.

44:10

I mean, he's a big man. I

44:12

have a lineup offensively and defensively. It

44:14

would make a difference of at least

44:16

two boys. Jimmy eventually got fired

44:18

for making racist comments. but over

44:20

on and B C there was

44:22

P S down who tried to

44:25

split the difference between light hearted

44:27

gambling reports and darker ones. With

44:29

us a foreign try to pick winners they've even

44:31

bet on them with as a side to gambling

44:33

or to be as bleak as as New York

44:35

winner day outside the Spring Bolland. And.

44:38

Making Charles who wrote a gambling

44:40

problem for the Philadelphia Inquirer and

44:42

correctly predicted the Superbowl final score

44:44

on the Today Show in Nineteen

44:46

Seventy Eight. He later became a

44:49

broadcaster on a brand new channel

44:51

E S P N. Monster,

44:57

Nineteen Seventy Nine, the

45:00

fledgling Sports Channel broadcast

45:02

the game himself from

45:05

Caesar's Palace during the

45:07

Nfl playoffs. And the

45:09

exact same thing happened with H

45:12

B O soon after it's founding

45:14

danny Fun they were airing ourselves

45:16

explicitly catered to sports betters. Newspapers

45:19

along with television worth taking notice

45:21

of gambling customers and report released

45:23

in the late eighties and Associated

45:25

Press survey found that between Nineteen

45:27

Eighty Two and Nineteen Eighty Four,

45:30

the number of papers running batting

45:32

line sept twenty percent for college

45:34

football and ten percent for the

45:36

Msl. Altogether, Three quarters

45:38

of the a one hundred and twenty

45:40

five papers surveyed had football spreads. And

45:43

then in Nineteen Ninety Two, Congress

45:46

flipped the table. the professional. Amateur

45:48

Sporting Protection Act Arizona.

45:50

Senator Dennis Deconcini, States

45:52

would not be allowed to sponsor

45:55

authorize or license force lotteries or

45:57

any other type of sports betting

45:59

that is based the outcome a

46:01

professional or amateur games. Paths, or

46:03

as the bill was known, brought

46:06

sports gambling, along with it's growing

46:08

presence in sports media to an

46:11

abrupt halt for nearly thirty years,

46:13

And slowly in it's absence a

46:15

new business sprung up. Fan Duel

46:18

and Draft Kings. They were

46:20

to very small startup companies

46:22

when founded in the Uk.

46:24

One founded out of a

46:26

townhouse in Boston. Albertson worked

46:28

at Sports Illustrated for nearly twenty

46:30

years and he's the author of

46:33

Billion Dollar Fantasy, the high stakes

46:35

game between sandal and draft kings

46:37

set up ended Sports in America.

46:40

They grew over a

46:42

handful of years because

46:44

an absolute avalanche of

46:46

advertising which caught the

46:48

attention of a lot

46:50

of lawmakers and prosecutors

46:52

who thought, what are

46:54

these companies They sure

46:56

as sound like gambling

46:58

companies when in fact,

47:00

these ads were about

47:02

fantasy sports. Fantasy Sports

47:04

were legally classified as

47:06

games as skill not

47:08

stance, meaning they escaped

47:11

the regulations. By. Two Thousand

47:13

and Fifteen. These two companies

47:15

were advertising so much stand

47:17

on an Nfl Sunday in

47:19

September of Tony Fifteen, there

47:21

was an ad from one

47:23

of these two companies on

47:25

T V every ninety seconds.

47:27

While they were the biggest

47:29

advertisers and America bigger than

47:31

any card company, bigger than

47:33

Geico, Draft

47:35

Kings and Sandal allowed people to

47:37

put money on sports from their

47:39

couches and across state lines without

47:42

causing a flight to Vegas. Casinos

47:44

so unfairly restricted. Am blessed out

47:46

the process leading New Jersey Gov

47:48

Chris Christie to bring a suit.

47:51

Ranking is a Supreme court this

47:53

morning striking down the federal ban

47:55

on sports betting. Now it leaves

47:57

it. Up When that moment. Happy.

48:00

Than twenty eighteen. the two

48:02

companies already have a leg

48:04

up so that will products

48:06

were very good. When you're

48:08

and mcm more Caesar's those

48:10

are. Like a C C,

48:12

know him when companies that have to

48:15

build up infrastructure for the attack. It

48:17

takes a long time as you must

48:19

have to reinvent yourself as a company.

48:21

But. We invent, they did. Every

48:23

once in a casino in your

48:26

pocket with the house is a

48:28

computer and now they were all

48:30

competing for new features. Not a

48:32

neon lit, prominent or velvet covered

48:35

lounge, but micro bets which looked

48:37

a lot like what was happening

48:39

in those nineteenth century baseball stance.

48:42

It's. Funny, we've come full circle in

48:44

letting people take that's in the stands.

48:46

Danny site. Full. Circle and letting

48:49

them that on all sorts of ridiculous.

48:51

My new so like whether the runner

48:53

on first all try to steal second

48:55

or whether this next play in a football

48:57

game will be a runner. A pass.

48:59

Like. The final play of this

49:02

year's super kinda cities are lined

49:04

up a second zone over time,

49:06

stare down by three points. I

49:09

can set on whether or not

49:12

the next possesses results in a

49:14

touchdown. Such

49:17

as the biggest fight of the

49:19

Superbowl both literally every play of

49:22

every game just somehow at the

49:24

sales, a turning sports betting and

49:26

a kind of like pulling the

49:28

handle on a slot machine. instant

49:30

gratification and is betting once every

49:32

few hours as addictive? Imagine what

49:35

that in once every few minutes

49:37

is. Coincidentally, around the late

49:39

Twenty Ten, Sports Media needed

49:41

cash. Between Twenty Eleven and

49:43

Twenty Seventeen Years Pm lost

49:45

nearly thirteen million television subscribers.

49:47

As homes cut the cord,

49:49

Time Warner parted ways with

49:51

Sports Illustrated and Twenty Seven

49:53

T. And and of course,

49:55

there was Twenty Twenty. This

49:57

astounding and unprecedented story can.

50:00

The news to evolve or at half

50:02

time with age or more. Didn't ask

50:04

ya he has just tweeted within the

50:06

past two minutes to C N B

50:08

A is suspending the season Media. Companies

50:10

in need of a revenue boost

50:12

found sees years in gambling companies

50:14

with our dollars to spend. Meanwhile,

50:17

draft Kings is paying the Chicago

50:19

Cubs are one hundred million dollars

50:21

over the next ten years to

50:23

open a betting parlor. A decent

50:25

to Wrigley Field. Sandal is the

50:27

official budding partner of the and

50:29

Ba and the thin veil broadcasters

50:31

like Jimmy the Greek. Food. Offerings

50:40

assume since game zone and was a senator

50:42

have one was injured or thought it was

50:44

saying you for playing a game or television

50:46

or was a good at it like you

50:48

know how you can do this A if

50:50

you want to gamble whatever sports. Commentator

50:52

Bahmani Jones on Cnn last

50:55

month. But the crux of the

50:57

broadcasts now sees more more geared toward

50:59

making people gamble. This is talking about

51:01

the game. Now some reporters have

51:04

long argued that gambling was worth

51:06

coverage like ten million and former

51:08

editor in chief of Yes The

51:10

In the Magazines who established a

51:12

gambling beat filled with actual reporting

51:14

on the industry. He was pushing

51:16

the boundaries of E S P

51:19

N to take it seriously isn't

51:21

covered subject but then he broke

51:23

ass. Helped found a site called

51:26

the Action Network that provides a

51:28

lot of betting analysis and content

51:30

for mainstream publications across the country

51:33

All sorts of newspapers from The

51:35

New York Post to The Philadelphia

51:37

Inquirer. the. Action Network has contracts

51:39

with sports, but so when you read

51:42

their content on our newspaper's website and

51:44

click a link to place a bet,

51:47

They. And the paper receive a

51:49

one time seats are directing you

51:51

there or in some cases they

51:53

get what they call a revenue

51:55

share. Wix. Is. Essentially a kind

51:57

of our lifetime losses.

52:00

The On Sports Wow. You've.

52:02

Got these outlets presenting themselves to

52:04

readers as we're going to help

52:06

you beat the sports bugs and

52:08

then behind the scenes. They profiting

52:10

on the money. We lose betting

52:13

on sports, and that's something I

52:15

think a lot of people, even

52:17

hardcore sports fans are oblivious to.

52:19

The When gambling companies in the media companies

52:21

that are in bed with them are making

52:24

money off of our losses, it's not in

52:26

their best interest to address the elephant in

52:28

the room. They are people

52:30

who say you should never

52:32

read about sports betting without

52:34

saying it's an addictive product

52:36

with deceptive business practices that's

52:38

hurting millions of Americans health

52:40

and financial well being. And

52:42

I get that is something

52:44

I grapple with in my

52:46

work. Something else to grapple with

52:48

is that doing a deal with a

52:50

betting site isn't without risk. Sports.

52:52

Illustrated has laid off most of its

52:55

employees that's according to a union for

52:57

the magazines workers and the new skills

52:59

of New York. Sports Illustrated is a

53:02

great example of why sports betting cash

53:04

isn't a panacea just like E S

53:06

P N they license to. They are

53:08

equally storied name to a sports book,

53:10

so in a number of states you

53:12

could bet on the Sports Illustrated. Path.

53:16

That wasn't enough to right the ship. Afterthought,

53:18

my spoke Sports Illustrated publishing rights

53:20

were acquired by Israel's Minute Media.

53:23

But. He says the magazines woes should

53:25

be a warning sign for everyone

53:27

else. There's a very aggressive

53:29

push to acquire customers when states

53:32

legalize. So in a place like

53:34

North Carolina now the airwaves or

53:37

blanketed with adds new players like

53:39

fanatics and the British company that

53:41

three Sixty Five when they enter

53:44

the picture. they advertise extremely aggressively,

53:46

but that's gonna dry up and

53:48

they're gonna wanna be profitable before

53:51

too long. and and be a

53:53

little stingier with their advertising dollars,

53:56

Gambling It's Legalized becomes accessible. Money

53:58

said the Market. The in genuine

54:00

interest about it are at Cool Brian

54:02

More. It's. Been now. Let's take

54:05

a breath. Let's start putting up our

54:07

walls years. And comes back

54:09

to the audience and making sure that

54:11

when we report something about their favorite

54:13

team that they can trust that it's

54:16

being reported to them. Not to get

54:18

them to bet on it, but to

54:20

inform them and I think framing all

54:23

of our ethical guidelines from that perspective,

54:25

that's the path forward for sports journalism.

54:28

Without. That sports media is gambling

54:30

with it's own reputation, with it's

54:32

journalists and with consumers money, and

54:34

who knows, maybe it will all

54:37

work out. But. Rule One

54:39

of sitting down at any table

54:41

is never bat more than you're

54:43

willing to lose. For.

54:45

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