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I drank a little tequila than
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he didn't light up except we
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talked about show business, cancel culture,
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it will provide some. That's so this is where
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you do record your you to podcasts I'm gonna
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do next after he finished interview Tell me why
5:01
you decided to do this on the side of.
5:05
That I'm an hour. Lots of Slavery.
5:07
Some podcast that. You are relatively
5:09
early to it or of
5:11
those early to had birds.
5:13
I did recognize in a
5:15
certain points that I. Had
5:19
to readjust my thinking. which at
5:21
the dawn of podcasting was really
5:24
Am radio. That that's going to
5:26
be big. I am radio this.
5:28
Yes, it is. I'm just shows
5:30
and you know this better than
5:32
the Betty. You can't predict technology.
5:34
I certainly can't Maybe you can
5:36
again. But you predicted podcasting. Have.
5:38
The I actually didn't have a Steve
5:41
Jobs and he talked about he said
5:43
broadcasting ipod podcasts and. Six never
5:45
doubted that it would become the cinema
5:47
to decide. That people hadn't licenses to their
5:49
phone and it's making sense. I did a
5:51
ten years or now move their ago but
5:53
one it that what made you do it
5:56
Anyway, I'm thinking Piers Morgan is finally leading
5:58
the gentle embrace of Rupert Murdoch. Finally
6:00
dead only doing and on you tube.
6:03
Talk about why you get it. Will. At
6:05
Why Does is because real Time which
6:07
had been on twenty one years and
6:09
before that politically incorrect recent you're sitting
6:11
under the sign from that old So
6:13
they were all about politics. I mean
6:16
mostly about politics, but certainly about political
6:18
culture and serious events in the news.
6:20
And it's a certainly real time once
6:22
a week shelves. I put my all
6:24
into it and I work many, many
6:26
many hours a week to make that
6:28
one hour exactly the when a way
6:31
I want. It's but isn't only have
6:33
a certain kind of guest on. That
6:35
show is has to be people who know
6:37
everything about what's going on in the world.
6:39
We tell the guess you have to know
6:41
everything you have to be the a team
6:44
of you can. Biggest stories Brake lights you
6:46
have able to talk about everything and know
6:48
everything. That's not most people who
6:50
you might wanna talk to. Most people don't
6:52
know anything. certainly shoved his as people don't
6:54
write as young as well. So yes of
6:56
you want to talk to a lot of
6:59
people. they would be excluded from doing a
7:01
show like real times but anybody can sit
7:03
here and get high with nice s and
7:05
we can talk about a million other things
7:07
and I very often be out to dinner
7:09
with somebody or with people and they would
7:11
say you know it's a so interesting on
7:13
all these other subjects and I never hear
7:16
you talk about on real time. Wanted to
7:18
do a podcast and again. Because I'm not
7:20
you I went to have that silly but
7:22
guessing it's and then I was like yeah
7:24
you know and that's a great idea and
7:26
I should and that way I can talk
7:28
to a lot more celebrities night and people
7:30
who otherwise i just not politically bent. So
7:33
when you add any you have the
7:35
max's mention meal time and now you're
7:37
on Cnn now. Yes, Some
7:39
people are completely leaving all that
7:41
behind. How do you look As.
7:43
Well don't have to leave me. Ah,
7:46
Yes, I mean I I can read
7:49
the paper to and I can listen
7:51
to you and I know that it
7:53
is always a dwindling audience for that.
7:55
And I mean I'd love to get
7:57
your predictions on that like where it's
7:59
gonna be. Five years Biggest may Malek.
8:01
That. Small. I mean it's always
8:04
getting smaller. Will it be? Disappear
8:06
completely? theater? Is still important than your I.
8:08
Might write an hour and movies.
8:11
It's it'll tenth on his lucrative any was not nice
8:13
and make money out and know are like but I
8:15
think you have to prove your worth whatever the fuck
8:17
The thing that and what would you do now as
8:19
you are a young com act like there's a lot
8:21
of stuff like you tube. There's a lot of stuff
8:23
on Reddit is a ton of stuff on ticking on
8:25
how to how would you. Do. You for your now
8:27
of soil is I don't know because I'm
8:29
not a on com a good. I don't
8:31
know about those formats very well, I never
8:33
really adapted. that's my fault. but you know
8:35
you can't be good at everything. I am
8:37
not good at technology, I'm not good at
8:39
learning something and I'm not native to and
8:41
you know I'm a little spoiled. I have
8:43
people who can do it for me so
8:45
what would I be doing? I have no
8:47
idea. I'm guessing if I was born thirty
8:49
years after I would really was born, I
8:51
would be native to it. and then I
8:53
would be doing what everybody else did. because
8:56
when I. Came up I just did with
8:58
everybody else did. We went to the comedy
9:00
clubs, the urban comedy class like the improv
9:02
and catch a rising star in the comedy
9:04
store out here and the template was you
9:06
dude and you went on the contrary it
9:08
well yes you you do You made a
9:10
living barely as as as a comedian while
9:12
you were building up material which the then
9:14
you may you know if you were good
9:16
enough and it was cleaning up you could
9:18
do the tonight show and then you would
9:20
get a sitcom and that's exactly what happened
9:22
to me. I dinner tonight show a bunch
9:24
of times and and I got sitcoms. And
9:26
then silly movies and finally you know, when I
9:29
was in my thirties I went on. This isn't
9:31
for me and I reinvented myself at The
9:33
Thing as the thing I should have always been
9:35
doing. Which is what I'm doing now. I mean,
9:37
I was always interested in politics in the news.
9:40
My father was a newsman. It was in
9:42
my house when I was a kid, so I
9:44
knew my shit. You know, I knew stuff that
9:46
other comics didn't. I talked about it when I
9:48
was young. It didn't really make sense when I
9:51
was in my twenties because you don't have
9:53
the gravitas to pull it off. But as I
9:55
got older, I grew into. It. And so
9:57
I was sort of uniquely. Formed
10:01
to do when I'm doing mostly again
10:03
because news was in my house it
10:05
was always in my father when it
10:07
suddenly was a newsman he was our
10:09
in the days of radio news when
10:11
every radio station had headers at the
10:13
top of the our rights top even
10:16
on W A B C within my
10:18
rock'n'roll station and cousin brew seats and
10:20
we would be like in as kids
10:22
we were like why we have an
10:24
eagle of the news for five minutes
10:26
at the top of every hours but
10:28
that's would every station. Did And that's what
10:30
he did. And it was the days when you. Rip
10:33
the news off know wire right and
10:35
you and he had a stopwatch as
10:38
a collection of stopwatches because you to
10:40
do a five minute news cast without
10:42
where her sing it coming right in
10:44
on time. No wonder he needed three
10:46
martinis when I got home from work
10:48
At night out was very stressful. How
10:51
do you think about years growing up? That. Had
10:54
a look idyllic. the Dell like.
10:56
Like almost ridiculously innocent. So leave it
10:58
to beaver. I compared to how much
11:01
kids go through today and how the
11:03
grub. none of the things that kids
11:05
say today did I even have an
11:08
awareness of there was no racial problems
11:10
Because this was and by the way,
11:12
any grew up in Alabama, roman New
11:14
Jersey price. but New Jersey after World
11:17
War Two? I mean I grew up.
11:19
I was born mid fifties and was
11:21
a kid in the sixties and seventies
11:23
in high school. I mean, this is
11:26
New Jersey. It was still all white. Oh.
11:29
Wait, so there was no racial problems
11:31
is I don't remember any draw this
11:33
right there in it's worth bearing in
11:35
their intermediate range my end and but
11:37
I'm saying like this is a northern
11:39
state emerges to give you an idea
11:42
where this country was and how far
11:44
as come with a lot of places
11:46
we still need to go. To
11:49
was needed like divorce. I
11:52
don't remember like. Such as a
11:54
deeply south unhappiness that was unexpressed. There
11:56
was there would. there was a number of
11:58
suicides and town as guys. In
12:00
the swimming pool, Palestinian on co
12:02
me mad and yeah that's what
12:04
it was. You didn't divorce, you
12:07
killed yourself South as far as
12:09
so much better die set up
12:11
know foot? Get our news.
12:13
Lot of words were assists the
12:15
worker broken homes so there wasn't
12:17
I don't remember any drug issues
12:19
again. no racial issues. Ah, it
12:21
was. Just leave it to beaver
12:23
time. So how did you get the way you
12:26
are? So. vaguely disgruntled.
12:29
Oh I'm not disgruntled, thanks and
12:31
I mean I feel like rentals
12:33
grumbles. I'm to completely grunt olds
12:36
and see a like my life's
12:38
with is just. Been. Very
12:40
lucky. Not that I have my issues and
12:42
my problems as we all do. but when
12:44
I look back at what I would could
12:46
have happened. First of
12:48
all I just was always meant to be
12:51
an adult and was not happy as a
12:53
child just because some people aren't If you're
12:55
a control freak it's not good to be
12:57
a child because you're not in control and
12:59
he don't like that and it just telling
13:01
rates greats against you and also I was
13:04
I went to school all the time with
13:06
a not in my stomach. These kids are
13:08
feral and their mean and they're nazis. And
13:10
you have to teach them to be
13:12
if to teach them to be decent
13:14
human being and does not come naturally.
13:16
And so I was often the one
13:18
who was ostracized or mates you know,
13:20
bullied I'm not always. There was one
13:22
kid who got worse than me, but
13:24
I was always worried that it would
13:26
be me. And even
13:29
when Matt past, I still wasn't one of
13:31
the popular kids. And
13:33
you think that's a bad thing
13:35
for adulthood that your your formative
13:37
years or not all that happy,
13:39
right? Because. First of all, what you
13:41
do get means more to you. Is
13:43
it you know when you stand yes
13:46
and as you want. To be the particular,
13:48
of course, Who doesn't want to be the
13:50
popular good? I would have loved to it
13:52
and else was super shy so I couldn't
13:54
talk to a girl even though I was
13:57
horny or than anybody it's I'm so all
13:59
that. When people hear
14:01
about my past they think oh that
14:03
can't be because all the things you
14:06
are now yet because some sixty eight
14:08
now is lose a long journey of
14:10
Reiner's That's the idea that they have
14:13
to try harder I guess so well
14:15
as try hard and learn to wait
14:17
sailor to wait for the good things
14:19
that will come but they sure didn't
14:22
come easily are naturally I'm I'm naturally
14:24
it's a late developer. I think everything
14:26
in my life has come to me
14:29
late including Epiphanies. Including knowledge
14:31
including maturity and certainly
14:33
success. So many different.
14:35
Things that you don't have a lot of been watching
14:37
all. Your appearances Iran Fox News at
14:39
that. Sounds trying hard to laugh. This
14:41
is just such a waxy that he.
14:44
Isn't medium funny comments and thinks
14:46
he's much. Maloney is as I I
14:48
met a job that night. I said this
14:50
is the best show you tube ever done
14:53
said I see was success and the ratings
14:55
Mumbai I read it today that was the
14:57
highest reading member Riyadh yes and it really
14:59
was a funny shows because they are they
15:02
wanted to be on their game yeah for
15:04
me there and I really appreciate us and
15:06
I had watched the show previously and it
15:08
really wasn't that good that nights was a
15:10
good hour of television yeah had a lot
15:13
and regularly and secure and you that seen
15:15
as he did very well. But is that
15:17
signing Yeah I could see like he wanted. You
15:19
to visit with us and Iran so.
15:21
But he never does it usually does test around
15:23
over tipo. Yeah, know he was at the
15:25
I was or it. I thought that was
15:27
a great example of yes, let's talk to
15:30
each other who don't agree. It's and I
15:32
got my shots in at the beginning thread
15:34
about Trump being a dictator and look at
15:36
Ice, I find it very. Frightening.
15:39
Because. I got a great insight into
15:41
how the right wing is seeing him
15:43
now. Oh, he's just a comedian. Rights
15:45
Donald Trump is a crazy. Matters is
15:47
crazy things you catch that it's near,
15:49
it's just can't take care. Take it
15:51
seriously. he's funny is just entertainment and
15:54
isn't that better threat and old Joe
15:56
Biden is not funny at all. See,
15:58
I know it's not as. Republican
16:00
Current Everything. That they were. He's
16:02
just not. Exactly. He doesn't mean it's and
16:05
you don't get any insight unless you see
16:07
and talk to those. Yes to the other
16:09
side is unavailable. Know, I know, I've heard
16:11
that Runs would. Just laugh at them like
16:13
for know some of it seems troubling as
16:15
very troubling silk but let's they get Never
16:17
saw the interview in a purple jacket by
16:19
the west. Not purple flowers and it was
16:22
oh no. Here is what was happening. It
16:24
was it. It was like utter but you
16:26
know and of the Sega I don't see
16:28
we'll see color well as are you being
16:30
mean about this. Saw Everybody's Fucking Love that
16:32
Reddit We said those girls were calling me.
16:34
A long as I was. Drawn to it.
16:36
You know you are like to think that
16:39
was Easterbrook. You. I like the Easter
16:41
Bunny. The Appeal: Dislike. That was it
16:43
that was a a cashmere Zegna
16:45
jacket. Looks great Those girl I
16:47
shall not as lucky in love
16:49
that jazz it every one of
16:51
them. Yes say they do get there
16:54
is a mask is is booked is
16:56
really interesting. I'm watching all over the
16:58
place which is interesting. It's zip is
17:00
new pew new book is called. What
17:02
this comedian said was shocked you You
17:04
know we share a publisher and editor
17:06
John Carp that's a great guys to
17:08
I would say call them dead White
17:10
funny Pantheon guys to Mark Twain Ah
17:12
Will Rogers Hl Mencken Do you do
17:14
think you're in that Pantheon? His
17:17
mindset good. Like
17:20
them, Citizen? No, I don't know. I mean,
17:22
I read Hl Mencken worse In some ways.
17:24
I am. In some ways. I'm not. I'm
17:26
in a show Macon. Was
17:29
a brilliant writer who wrote the
17:31
whole long books. I'm this book
17:33
is a collection of all the
17:35
editorials have done on the end
17:37
of the show trying to the
17:39
last twenty years I went through
17:41
all of them, reimagine them, rewrote
17:43
them, picked out the criminal a
17:45
crimp so. Basically, it took me twenty
17:47
years to write this book. Okay, Hl. Mencken
17:50
didn't have to weigh twenty years to write
17:52
a book mess. So I'm not bad guy.
17:54
I'm a comedian. I'm funnier than they are,
17:56
but I'm not like that kind of authors.
17:58
If I hadn't had this. Basis of material.
18:00
I probably wouldn't sit down and write a
18:03
whole book but having done it that way
18:05
all my materials in this book is our
18:07
well tested and so people have told me
18:09
as just did just an age when I
18:11
read over it's I it is. It's funny
18:13
on every page I'm in l a wealth
18:16
of an answering of they're all very funny
18:18
they are and different you had changed some
18:20
of the not change it but it's even
18:22
on them and so was married to a
18:24
dozen is more complex. Is I?
18:26
Hope so I hope as we them at all when I only
18:28
know. You've a lot of frequent Trump's
18:31
that I'm up to go through them.
18:33
Top among them said you haven't changed
18:35
at Liberals have changed have Basically it's
18:37
not me, it's them. By years I
18:39
think you have changed at any given
18:41
and of nephew you have to necessarily
18:43
put yourself anywhere but you've got more
18:45
complex limited means you for my son
18:48
no way to. Was a fan of.
18:50
yours is not as much anymore and I'll tell
18:52
you why it's tougher. I tell you, he's not
18:54
that liberal. Okay, let me just let me go
18:56
into this was such a brilliant and wonderfully critical
18:58
mind. Why add to the negativity all the time?
19:00
You're so good at calling out bullshit now it
19:02
seems like you're not get off my lawn time
19:04
a guy. It would be good to have a
19:06
conversation with a young person is not crowd I'm
19:08
good at Want to? The. Hell. I
19:10
was easy as so you having little.
19:13
Shit and then it. It will be good
19:15
to have a conversation a young person doesn't
19:17
start with you being right and were such
19:19
idiots without any thoughts. So. Even when I'm doing
19:21
okay, Tell me He said you are truly
19:23
funny guy. Now it feels like you're not
19:25
adding to the conversations. And what somebody else?
19:28
I get that does not seem to sell. He
19:30
liked year he that you are influencing him. I've
19:32
lost audience again already switching I was
19:34
me. Because I think the i don't I don't
19:36
eat this. I am only a truth teller. It.
19:40
Can be seen as crotchety mockery dressed up
19:42
as enlightenment. So I want you to address
19:44
that. I don't we say watch someone else.
19:46
That's too easy. That's too easy to see.
19:48
Here's a fans who is having a hard
19:50
time. Because I don't see what are these
19:52
and other said well for is is the
19:55
first of all birds are not gonna pretend
19:57
that a lot of what young people are
19:59
in. The thing now isn't stupid because
20:01
it is. I hear this all the
20:04
time from like friends of mine, right
20:06
who are who have kids in their
20:08
late teens or twenties and they're always
20:10
complaining to me because I don't have
20:13
kids I guess about how much their
20:15
kids are driving them and same with
20:17
their over the top welcome. This and
20:19
a lot of you don't get it
20:22
mom since you don't get it isn't
20:24
that we can get my dad's old
20:26
is old sinking and then you know
20:28
My answer is once. You say to
20:31
them abolish the police know I
20:33
don't get it's Mino. tear down
20:35
statues of Lincoln's Maybe give Communism
20:37
another try to get rid of
20:39
the border Patrol over all of
20:41
them that no, no with ads.
20:43
but there is a series there
20:45
is and embracing. Have a bunch
20:47
of ideas and the problem isn't
20:49
that I'm old is that your
20:51
ideas are stupid. They are very
20:53
often and I'm going to call
20:56
them out if you want to
20:58
say that. if you want to
21:00
pretend. That that's about me getting old. By
21:02
the way, I live in you getting old
21:04
As you said, get off your law and
21:06
in. I just like The easiest thing to
21:08
go to is. like I'm going to say
21:10
the problem is that year olds will. You're
21:12
right, I'm sixty eight years old. I can
21:15
do anything about that. I probably live a
21:17
younger life In most to the people half
21:19
my age and some of them that age
21:21
it's I've never been married. Okay, I just
21:23
don't live a young. I don't live in
21:25
older person's life. I am not an or
21:27
get off my lawn kind of person to
21:29
so. I think that statue but when I
21:31
think it is is the idea of missing all
21:34
the young people to one spot for nothing in
21:36
a few bucks and is very complex I can
21:38
tell you might. As I went but there's
21:40
no time when you were for taught
21:42
as if we're talking about the middle.
21:45
The demonstrations for rebutted the say the
21:47
guys steps I it is It says
21:49
i have an hour of T V
21:51
week I don't have time nobody does
21:53
to say oh and by the way
21:55
this is not everybody. You just have
21:57
to assume that it said it's I'd
21:59
set to sing Everything a writer says
22:01
with this is my opinion We get
22:03
it, this is your opinion. Let's just
22:06
start said it's also have to kind
22:08
of have to assume I don't think
22:10
it's everybody and by the way it's
22:12
This is not really the usual reaction
22:14
I get from obviously a smart kid.
22:16
Smart kids usually say to me that
22:18
they also are set up with most
22:20
of the people in their gyrated three.
22:22
I just said no, that's a nice and about that
22:25
Yeah, join the protest. Oh they said they wanted to
22:27
ask questions. Get a like me because I'm
22:29
willing to call out the people who
22:31
they know better than I do. See
22:33
Ah tiresome. they are about some of
22:35
the bullshit. They believe what I think
22:37
he. Was getting athletic a several people
22:39
I know get that is that you
22:42
feel that that was year and that
22:44
is saints in a way that seems
22:46
more intolerant to them. I'm not more
22:48
intolerant. Did did the ideas got dumber? I
22:50
mean in the introduction of the book I
22:52
bring his have been done for a while.
22:54
not as dumb. The two instances I bring
22:56
up in the introduction in the book one
22:58
is the. Mister.
23:00
Beast thing which than I did
23:03
an editorial about this from Mr.
23:05
Beast as a thing curator thousand
23:07
people of disability and is attacked.
23:09
The Washington Post writer who attacked
23:11
him for Mr Be seems as
23:13
think that disability assuming a nice
23:15
to be cured okay that's it
23:18
idea that is just so much
23:20
more stupid than anything I ever
23:22
heard ten years ago. the idea
23:24
that disability doesn't need to be
23:26
cured or the other one about
23:28
the Atlantic article. Separating
23:31
sports by sex doesn't make sense
23:33
site. That was one of them. Then they had
23:35
others that said the office said on it in the
23:37
Atlantic they've done nice. And other articles your think of
23:39
it but just but just a printing articles and
23:41
there's this is set and as many seconds into
23:43
their that are so crazy one of them is
23:45
like. It said
23:48
maintaining the binary in
23:50
sports reinforces the idea
23:52
that men are stronger
23:54
and faster. Than.
23:57
Women know. That. Men
23:59
are stronger and. The women is is
24:01
not an idea to this is the
24:03
I think kids were generally raised wrong
24:05
and so they're just never told. oh
24:08
that's a dumb idea, they're just indulged
24:10
and so whatever brain for take him
24:12
up with is treated like it's a
24:14
valid argument that should be introduced into
24:17
the conversation with the adults. and there's
24:19
a reason why. When I was a
24:21
good for example, since we're just not
24:23
invited into the conversation with adults because
24:26
they didn't deserve to be and you
24:28
don't usually deserved to be. Added
24:30
a how old your kid is when they
24:32
get into their teens. Obviously they can become
24:34
much more intelligent and and up on the
24:36
news and up on things point. Is that
24:39
one and young people should be able
24:41
to have different thoughts that become dumps?
24:43
Not People seem down during the Vietnam
24:45
thing. now? not yet. I'm yeah. the
24:47
done during Apartheid. Maybe not so damn.
24:50
Maybe there aren't. I don't think there's
24:52
a good a now is what's going on
24:54
now but for had I agree kids are
24:56
could absolutely it's it's part of and use
24:58
it to have dumb ideas but said don't
25:00
ask me not to call them out the
25:02
i. Do amassing young people together And way
25:05
said, as much I am I can't like
25:07
I am. Honored that you can, You don't
25:09
have the times the right one hour a
25:11
week to say it's or every time. Yeah,
25:13
this is Not everybody. Okay let me says
25:15
here right now Blanket Lace, it's not everybody.
25:17
I get it. There are some kids who
25:19
are smarter than others and most kids aren't
25:21
even watching the show because they wouldn't even
25:23
know what to do with a show like.
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funds perspective. At sunrise.com/flagships this
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is a paid advertisement. For
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for net cancel culture and trapped in
27:44
the you had it since you seem
27:47
you said quote woke miss at first
27:49
a noble directive to remain alert to
27:51
injustice has quote morphed into ugly authoritarianism
27:53
often And support and often. As for
27:55
the bad ideas, I don't disagree. There
27:57
have been excesses that other people to
27:59
spend. Jon Stewart went with perhaps against
28:01
you in particular, say when it comes to
28:04
cancel culture, the ones who smelt it dealt
28:06
it. Basically the only people talking about cancel
28:08
culture Conservative. and they are the ones actually
28:11
canceling people specially the Trump crowd. Just a
28:13
good they didn't list Cheney. Marjorie Telegraph is
28:15
still in office to talk a little bit
28:17
about that because there is a Cancel Culture
28:20
on the right. Absolutely or near. I missed
28:22
a point in the book that had
28:24
two episode about. The national this that that
28:26
why it's you know And then there's people
28:29
who are supposedly cancel by left like Louis
28:31
Ck are still out there report Madison Square
28:33
Garden feel. Player know my brother way
28:35
he should be. He can't do it
28:37
nearly everything he would like to do
28:40
because if he does it all started
28:42
all over again and then they'll start
28:44
talking about. You
28:46
know, whatever the crime was to begin with,
28:48
which you know by his own admission, it
28:51
wasn't a cool thing to do. But really,
28:53
do we have to punish him to the
28:55
whole rest of his life's but it'll started
28:57
all over again. He has kids, he doesn't
29:00
want them to have to deal with it
29:02
all the time. I mean, does everybody. Have
29:04
to live up by the worst moment
29:07
I ever had in their life. So
29:09
yes, he can play anywhere in the
29:11
world, is had a huge fan base,
29:13
and sell tickets, and he can put
29:15
his movies online and sell them directly.
29:18
But this at the Weight Show business
29:20
is normally done. So don't tell me
29:22
that he hasn't paid an enormous price
29:24
or that he can still conduct his
29:27
professional life the way he should be
29:29
able to. Or Woody Allen. Woody Allen
29:31
Can't get a movie made in this
29:33
country because. Or even
29:35
after to investigations which exonerated
29:37
him and the Hollywood community
29:40
decided he was history's greatest
29:42
monster and that he was
29:44
a child molester and that
29:46
we could not even countenance
29:48
him. Putting
29:50
out a movie or talking about it
29:52
or seeing him in any way. Now
29:54
a desert cancel cause you're either know
29:56
what is similar. Temperament and The right.
29:58
There's many people on the. If I went
30:00
outside that it make their own testimony
30:03
there. With the investigations, the official investigation.
30:05
Two of them. To have them many
30:08
things are problematic with all these
30:10
investigations. With is something problematic with every
30:12
investigation. they really don't have a case the
30:14
people on the other side with. First of
30:16
all we have to go by investigations and
30:19
them it's I mean every court case probably
30:21
has something wrong with it. We are humans.
30:23
It's the only way we can do things
30:25
his might try to. Judge Judy A be
30:27
great. If we could have some God come
30:30
down and give her an almighty ruling that
30:32
we don't have that we can just do
30:34
that. We can just go by what we
30:36
have on earth and in that system you
30:39
kinda have to go buy it. If
30:41
somebody is exonerated, there were exonerated. It
30:43
seems to be the case with somebody
30:45
like Woody Allen. not. doesn't matter, That
30:48
been for for all of history like.
30:51
Oh, Jason was exonerated by many
30:53
people think he probably killed them
30:55
instead now. so it hardly matters
30:57
at this moment. But and two
30:59
things you said do to stick
31:01
with people over. The. Now, Lizzie
31:03
Borden didn't have a great life after
31:05
that after she was exonerated for that
31:07
killing sales. That's not something fresh and
31:09
new. Cancel cancer is not a fresh
31:11
and new saying. It's. Cute. It's
31:14
human behavior. Or
31:16
or. Not. Maybe don't think it as. A
31:18
As a good A. It's that nothing
31:20
is new under the sun lately see
31:22
as he get. His kids came to
31:24
be something very different. certainly was social
31:27
media since I think it's certainly rose
31:29
to a level we never saw it
31:31
before and and became something that was
31:34
a blood sport. I think
31:36
of a big problem with the woke
31:38
is that they don't very often seem
31:40
to want to six something. They just
31:42
seem to want to establish how much
31:44
more pure they are than the next
31:46
person. Okay, the about a certain problems
31:48
and to catch people at some that's
31:50
sort of ended by now. Do you
31:52
think it's gotten worse? Because I don't.
31:54
I get said ended at all. And
31:56
it at all and ignored it seems to exist. very
31:58
much so. In that, Trump. The group the Trump
32:00
people who if you step out of line. Totally
32:03
know what I'm Yes, I mean, I
32:05
think I make the point in the
32:07
book that nobody was ever cancelled harder
32:09
than Carbon Cap or Nick. I mean,
32:11
he should have had a career in
32:13
the Nfl and he did not. and
32:15
that was slide out collusion. And
32:18
mean they they are among and
32:20
maybe not specific unspoken see. like.
32:22
the owners of the National Football
32:24
League certainly recognize that he was
32:26
more talented than some of the
32:28
people who were playing quarterback for
32:30
that's certainly as a backup from
32:32
and yet nobody would touch him.
32:34
If that's not cancer cancer, I
32:36
don't know what it is. So
32:39
yes it is is it does happen
32:41
on both sides. Lump in there was
32:43
there were two inches is it was
32:45
just last week. The to people what.
32:47
Were those two instances where cancel
32:49
in these room left kind of
32:51
cancellations? The guy he did this
32:54
gesture he was a sports reporter
32:56
in Indiana. Caitlin Clark strength just
32:58
signed with the Indiana team. I
33:00
think the season. Okay so there's
33:02
the initial press conference and M
33:04
P S or about the heart
33:06
symbol that she does. He says
33:08
i do that it's rather not
33:10
to my family after every games
33:12
and he said well you know
33:14
throw went out to me and
33:16
will get. Along fine. He's
33:20
not allowed in the building
33:22
anymore. Because Why? Because he's
33:25
like. It was
33:27
creepy that that. I. Festivals in I.
33:29
Landed that is in a stiff enough consequences
33:31
for being a crate. That's increase.
33:35
It. By I don't think
33:38
a lot of people getting I don't
33:40
find that creepy long as it's a
33:42
lot of it's a for such sake
33:44
six month. Really a little crazy. Okay
33:46
well than than I think you're oversensitive.
33:48
Know about that? I'm not aware but
33:50
that's our disagreements I have as I
33:52
you know to me television being thrown
33:54
out of the vale they are. He
33:56
was gone, could be known he was
33:58
except that he was thrown. Can't
34:00
yet be on the premises
34:02
anymore. News to me, that's
34:05
a light remark. Maybe you
34:07
didn't strike you the way
34:09
he mentored, or are we
34:11
really not working with this
34:13
much margin of error. And
34:15
it's. Okay, And that was last
34:17
week. my so don't tell me that cancel
34:19
culture is over and there was another instances
34:21
I don't have like a member but it
34:23
was the same things that was just as
34:25
trivial. And this
34:28
is part and parcel to
34:30
like a generation again. not
34:32
all of them says ah
34:34
who like throw around the
34:36
word violence and it's very
34:38
casually the violence has a
34:40
specific meanings. Not to them
34:42
violence has morphed into meaning
34:44
Anything we all like. Separate
34:46
would do for cultures and people had
34:48
fitted endless sit for decades and a
34:50
kind of tired of it that sometimes
34:52
how I feel bad as. Seventy. One
34:55
of the things that I think has
34:57
happened is that a lot of people
34:59
have taken decades and. More than
35:01
that of endless said. And now. You
35:03
want to say something about it? I totally understand
35:05
or I mean like I don't really have you
35:08
how many I told way tropes. I get an
35:10
hour after outlets. Shut the fuck up. I totally
35:12
got. To try to cancel the i couldn't legislators
35:14
shut the. Fuck I totally get that
35:16
so it doesn't and an other at
35:18
my eyes and except it's a I
35:21
I'm often have thought like especially racially
35:23
in this country it's It is a
35:25
little like a relationship site like we
35:28
were the white people. Were.
35:30
Horribly abuses. Ah,
35:33
and. Now. We're.
35:36
Trying to do better but just
35:38
like in a relationship played. You.
35:41
Kids you say you're sorry, wants to be
35:43
do certain that you have to say you're
35:45
sorry A lot to ask for. The person
35:47
has to do before the person starts to
35:50
melt. say and we're going to be in
35:52
the. Size. Of
35:54
I'm sorry for a very
35:56
long time in. A
35:59
somewhat appropriately. I. Understand
36:01
that completely so you're not going
36:03
to like be able to overnight, Just
36:05
go. Okay, so you're all forgiven. Snow
36:07
A courses is also complicated because we
36:10
are at the same time. Individuals
36:12
and then seen as a
36:14
collective of our race. I
36:16
don't believe in collective guilt.
36:18
I didn't do it. Personally,
36:21
That's is it. But. I did
36:23
benefit from it. were growing up when
36:26
I grew up. I'm sure there were
36:28
times when Nineteen Eighty when I was
36:30
starting out today hire me when they
36:32
could have hired a black comic who
36:35
is just as goods? maybe? Yeah, I'm
36:37
sure. So And and and you know,
36:39
when you'll look at the economics, that's
36:42
the main thing I think we have
36:44
to rectify. Like White Wells is like
36:46
ten times as great as Black Wealth
36:48
obviously from the legacy of our sorry
36:51
past. How do we six that. Some
36:53
people say it's reparations. The
36:56
Arab Time there are versions of reparations
36:58
they are going on right now. I
37:01
mean select. We don't have reparations. We
37:03
have programs that have. Benefited
37:06
the minority communities more than other communities.
37:08
That is a form of reparations. Some
37:10
people say we should write checks would.
37:12
They did a study of in here
37:14
in California and system wanted to give
37:16
at one point two million dollars to
37:18
every black person in a state that
37:21
was not a slave states entered the.
37:23
Union and eighteen fifty as a
37:25
Free States and last five hundred
37:27
and soldiers fighting for the North.
37:30
And it would cost the state eight
37:32
hundred billion dollars when our actual state
37:35
budget already is three hundred billion dollars.
37:37
So that doesn't seem like a practical
37:39
version. So it's easy to think
37:41
is taking a red. so I've heard
37:43
that and lots of the box you
37:45
absolute most early and sang republicans had
37:48
lost the narrative you specifically trump people
37:50
are infinitely worse for the country to
37:52
me. Actual action is worse
37:54
than just signing of words like
37:56
book banning. Or they're connected a
37:59
certain afterwards. Connect directly, but
38:01
there's actual action, book yearnings,
38:03
Our try to roll back which happens on the
38:05
left to. It as but they're more
38:07
effective of actually passing things that affect
38:09
people whether it's on gay and lesbian
38:11
rights or book banning an actual people
38:13
actually being cast out. How do you
38:15
look at the Republican party, especially the
38:17
Trump people? It's I don't know if
38:19
you can distinguish them anymore. Right
38:22
now in that regard. Were like
38:24
I can never said enough and then people saw
38:26
us me So I'll just keep saying it's. I
38:31
would never be a republican for all
38:33
the reasons I never have been a
38:35
republicans. And then they got worse because
38:37
they don't believe in the emergency in
38:39
my view of climate change and they
38:41
don't believe in democracy anymore which is
38:43
the big one I'm in in New
38:45
York. This week when I was doing
38:47
the interviews, they kept asking me. What?
38:51
Would you? Mean. It was the most
38:53
important question you would ask in. they're going
38:55
to have debates known and debates and it's
38:57
only one question. Will. You concede
39:00
power. Will. You can see you
39:02
lost an election and we see. I
39:05
mean, I was the one from
39:07
the beginning when nobody else was
39:09
saying it that Trump would never
39:11
concede losing a license and now
39:13
you see that all the people
39:15
who are descending for his vice
39:17
presidency. Also will not do
39:19
it because they ask them questions will
39:22
you can see if you lose the
39:24
election and their answer is it Republicans
39:26
A always gets they must get together
39:28
in a secret underground lair of his
39:30
and they can't They don't need to
39:32
maybe us troops and they get one
39:34
answer and that answer is oh I
39:36
well as it's a free and fair
39:38
election which is another way of saying
39:40
now ah elections on the couch when
39:42
we when them is is and that
39:44
is just a terrible dangerous place with
39:46
this country debates. So obviously I think.
39:49
And have always said and tried to
39:51
be clear about the fact that the
39:53
Republicans are the greater threat. That doesn't
39:55
mean that there isn't a lot a
39:57
tramp on. Use my stuff on the
39:59
other side. And by the way, this
40:01
the most threatening thing about the goofy
40:03
stuff on the left is it. It's
40:05
what drives people to vote for the
40:07
right to set a lot of people
40:09
in the middle and even on the
40:12
right will tell you we don't like
40:14
Trump, but we are more afraid of
40:16
other stuff because it's much more. Direct
40:19
in their life. Like their kids coming
40:21
home from school saying things that they
40:23
don't think they should be taught in
40:25
schools. Stuff like that, people don't. Really
40:28
A apropos To our discussion of. Why
40:30
I do this as opposed as
40:32
as well as doing real time.
40:34
Most people just don't follow politics
40:36
of the and when they even
40:38
if they vote it's not based
40:40
on politics is and issues. I
40:42
mean Biden has done a lot
40:44
of good things privacy the last
40:46
season and it does not seem
40:49
to matter. He cannot buy their
40:51
love with Met A matter how
40:53
many student loans he he pays
40:55
off, he cannot buy their love
40:57
with how much he does for
40:59
climate at. Him We came out of
41:01
the pandemic better than any other country
41:03
in the world. It does not seem
41:06
to matter a day, vote on other
41:08
issues and other things that are in
41:10
their mind and things that are directly
41:12
in their lives. The price of eggs
41:14
and Does Is my kid gonna come
41:17
home wearing a dress I couldn't imagine.
41:19
A Civil Wars said it better to sewn on
41:21
admiral. Unfortunately, a lot of people can.
41:23
Sit what is biden to do If the
41:25
if this is the situation he can't buy
41:27
love. He can't get people to see some
41:29
of the good things he's done. It
41:32
doesn't see are equal. What's happening between
41:34
the two candidates? Not. It's
41:37
not logical, people aren't logical.
41:39
It's not fair because Trump
41:41
is almost as old, but he
41:43
doesn't present as old. He
41:45
looks like spitting of amen. A lot. He looks
41:47
like that vibrant oh man on the line Twelve
41:49
that vibrancy to on the Amazon. Alone with he'll
41:51
say no yeah I am a man. Us:
41:53
it's in Alpha. Some biden seems like the
41:56
guys moving slowly to the cafeteria. Trump is
41:58
a crazy person yelling, where's the point. Yeah,
42:00
credit crazy buddies. Crazy Loony is energetic.
42:03
You know people look at you and
42:05
him but a second day size you
42:07
up without even thinking of it consciously.
42:10
Doctor Joyce Brothers used to say i
42:12
must choose to say you know when
42:14
you see some and of didn't say
42:17
this way. I'm going to say this
42:19
makes you know you want to fuck
42:21
them within seven seconds upset and I
42:24
used as a nice to think it
42:26
takes you seven seconds. The outlet is
42:28
expected to me one second. And
42:31
it's kind of the same way. With. Old
42:34
you just somebody immediately strikes
42:36
you as old more. They
42:39
don't trump, just presents as
42:41
robust And it's said this
42:44
detriment of the country. Who.
42:49
The That enemy. Every
43:03
week that a question. From an outside experts camps
43:05
at a plant for you. Hi.
43:07
I'm Mary House and editor of
43:09
the Teo. My question for Bill
43:11
is you have been a strong
43:13
vocal some might say blinds supporter
43:15
of Israel and it's pretty brutal
43:17
war on Gaza. What I'm wondering
43:19
is why as a self professed
43:21
liberal, do you just ignore and
43:23
disregard the testimony on Gaza of
43:26
every major human rights group in
43:28
the world? Human Rights Watch, Amnesty,
43:30
International, Physicians for Human Rights, Reporters
43:32
Without Borders, Bet Salem and it
43:34
remains is own agency in the
43:36
world? Oxfam, Save The Children Refugees.
43:38
International Doctors Without Borders International
43:40
Rescue. And every major Un
43:42
Aid agency. In the World Unicef, The
43:44
U N H C R The World
43:47
Food Programme led by Cindy Mccain of
43:49
all people. Why do you ignore all
43:51
of them and believe instead Benjamin Netanyahu?
43:54
bizarre little smokers and it mob and
43:56
give us and than Israeli military this
43:58
been caught lying again. And again
44:00
and again. I'm. Just
44:03
wondering. How. Do you justify that?
44:05
Have the question is so games against Calls
44:07
since I was protesting the war in Gaza
44:09
will be say to her son who is
44:11
pointing out that the vast majority people. Who
44:14
are being killed are women
44:17
and children? Okay, well it's
44:19
a complex absolutely situation. No
44:21
one wants to see anyone
44:23
killed, especially women and children.
44:25
I'm and more is pretty
44:27
rust's from. The. Cpu and
44:29
all those. Agencies he
44:31
named. I'm not that familiar with exactly what
44:33
they said. Here's the question I have for
44:36
anyone who has this kind of question: Do
44:38
you think Hamas should be destroyed? A mass
44:40
Is a terrorist organization? They've been named that
44:42
by the United States government since Way bang.
44:45
We're in agreement that this guy was a
44:47
new didn't need to be destroyed. Yes, Okay,
44:49
great. I think they do, because after all,
44:51
it is in their charter that they want
44:54
to wipe out Israel Completely. I mean they
44:56
say it. Over. And over again
44:58
they're not hiding it. They don't want
45:00
to hide it since they were given
45:03
that land back in two thousand and
45:05
Five Stay could have done something very,
45:07
very different with it's they've started five
45:09
wars. they took taken a lot of
45:11
that aid that some of those groups
45:14
I'm sure it sent their way and
45:16
they did nothing with it except build
45:18
panels and import bombs and rockets to
45:20
use on Israel started five worse, including
45:22
that last really nasty one. So the
45:25
idea that they should be destroyed because
45:27
after. All they do believe in
45:29
genocide, but the truth is that
45:31
one side hamas wants to commit
45:34
genocide and they can't and the
45:36
other side could and they don't.
45:39
if you don't see the moral difference
45:41
there i'm sorry my friend whoever you
45:44
are since i think you'd have to
45:46
look harder so if we agree that
45:48
hamas needs to be destroyed them bridges
45:50
asking how how can it be done
45:52
and we don't know because we're not
45:55
the israeli defense forces i don't know
45:57
how you wipe out of mosques i
45:59
sensed I know that they have
46:01
been wiped out by, I think, first of
46:03
all it's a terrorist army. So
46:05
I think they had 24 brigades
46:08
and I think they've wiped out like 20 of
46:10
them. So now we're at the
46:12
end game with this area called Rafah. Okay.
46:16
Well, I would think that they would
46:18
have to continue that if they're going to wipe out
46:21
Hamas. Again, people in war
46:23
get killed. It's horrible. Israel
46:25
is the only country that gets attacked
46:27
and then is asked to stop. No.
46:30
When they get attacked, it's a war. When they fight
46:32
back, it's a war crime. Here's a
46:35
real simple solution to this. Stop
46:37
attacking Israel. Are we done? Yes,
46:41
that's your answer. That's my answer. Do
46:44
you respond to the idea of people
46:46
watching it? And I do think it's different
46:48
now in seeing this in real time on
46:50
social media, constantly in your
46:52
faces, changes. Of course. We
46:55
often wonder if we could have done World War II. Of
46:57
course. They both fight the
46:59
Nazis with visuals that we bombing
47:01
Dresden, bombing this, bombing women in
47:03
Germany. Yes, absolutely. Maybe there should be
47:05
more films of stuff that goes on
47:07
in the world that we're not seeing
47:09
that the kids and not
47:11
all the kids, of course, just the ones who
47:13
are protesting. That's your new thing. Not all the
47:15
kids. No, not all. But a
47:17
lot of them are for that side. Suddenly, I mean,
47:21
curiously, they're not concerned about
47:23
Boko Haram, which kidnaps
47:25
whole villages of women. They're not concerned
47:28
about the Chinese, who have
47:30
put the Uyghurs by the
47:32
millions in concentration camps. North
47:35
Korea starves its people. A number
47:37
of African countries openly say that
47:39
we should kill gay people just for being
47:42
gay. They're so concerned about
47:44
apartheid. There is a giant
47:46
gender apartheid going on in the world
47:48
right now. If you want a cause,
47:51
why don't you take up that one? All
47:53
right. Last question. Biden, Trump, 2024. You
47:57
and I both said that Trump wasn't going to sit by and accept
47:59
the results. If you like I
48:01
said early to I thought that think
48:03
right now when you're looking at the
48:05
selection. You. Know you had Urged Biden
48:07
declared he's not stepping down. The. Road he would
48:10
talk to Russia is Ruth Bader Burden for. What
48:12
is going to happen here from your perspective?
48:14
where do you imagine and I knew a
48:16
lot of people have sought to pass as
48:18
a democracy. It's is at stake in the
48:20
last chapter Book you write never forget a
48:22
single shining to buy democracy means sharing the
48:25
country with asshole as he can't stand but
48:27
that chapters called civil War easy so I'd
48:29
like it that he and and and at
48:31
the same time at the very. Last night
48:33
and stuff. Yeah, you're dancing in against right
48:35
to avoid it. Or I got our it's
48:37
that. The last thing is you can't close
48:39
as a patriot if you can't say. United
48:42
flight. It's the United States or
48:44
mean for. How can you be united
48:46
when this is the situation? I'm saying there
48:48
were people calling for Civil War thunder,
48:51
A people calling for a national divorce,
48:53
and I'm saying that's impractical and undesirable
48:55
that you have to understand that you're
48:57
sharing the countries with ass holes you
48:59
can stand. I'm talking to both sides.
49:01
they are could both sides will be
49:03
other side's bunch of ass holes. special
49:05
place. It's okay, it's a big
49:07
country, we don't have the like everybody
49:10
in it, but we have to come
49:12
to some sort of way of living
49:14
together where we're not at each other's
49:16
throats and we're not. Talking
49:19
constantly above may be coming to blows
49:21
which on a national level mean serious
49:23
violence And it can happen here. I
49:25
go into the thing about in Sarajevo
49:27
and will happen in the Balkans a
49:29
means they have the eleven Years in
49:32
Sarajevo and Nineteen Eighty Four and it
49:34
was a very civilized place and the
49:36
crow. Ads in the Muslims and the
49:38
Serbs they all live together and then
49:40
within a few years it was a
49:42
house cape. And. Diverse
49:44
snipers shooting at people when they left
49:47
their apartments and it can happen here
49:49
Said obsolete. Can you get to this
49:51
place where you think the people who
49:53
are on the other side of the
49:55
political divide the other tribes were you
49:57
think that they are just be other.
50:00
Where they're just not people who deserve
50:02
to live at all. And I've seen
50:04
that term don't deserve to live from
50:07
both sides. Yeah, it can happen here.
50:09
So. That would be the a minute
50:11
the also have a message in my in that
50:13
book that's why put it as the last chapter
50:15
is yet we we can't go there are I
50:17
don't want to go there so. You
50:19
say? you know internet am divorced So be the
50:22
marriage counsellor. What do you think? Needs.
50:24
To happen and. Is.
50:26
Going to happen and what role do you play as.
50:29
Well, I'm in. This is when I'm
50:31
front of doses. Did First will warn
50:33
people that it could have stunted. It's
50:35
impossible. Just don't think we're not that
50:37
country. We didn't think we were the
50:39
country that there would be wearing masks
50:41
and we became that country. You know,
50:43
we didn't think we were the country
50:45
that got hit by terrorism and after
50:48
Nine Eleven. Okay, we're that countries. and
50:50
we could be this country enough. Were
50:52
already the countries that doesn't accept elections
50:54
and minister. Something that goes on a
50:56
lot of countries where there's an election
50:58
at it. Does it mean. The next day
51:00
we are over the election and we know who
51:02
the next leader is. We are not there anymore
51:04
We are that country that's going to fight about
51:07
it's and you know what day this election is
51:09
in November would say as November some to we
51:11
are Tuesday I know but I know what the
51:13
number is stays November fifth. Can
51:16
be over on November six or
51:18
November seventh or eighth and Trump
51:20
whether he wins or loses I
51:22
promise you is going to show
51:24
up on January twentieth for a
51:26
the Dog Aeration because he does
51:28
not concede elections so we are
51:30
that countries and I don't want
51:32
to be the the M Civil
51:34
War country either. So insulting. the
51:36
Cassandra I'd like you. Positivity
51:39
in that my what do you do.
51:41
That if you want to think, if you don't want a
51:43
divorce, what's the solution That and. Don't area
51:45
Stop hating everybody. Stop hating people who
51:47
are different than you. You.
51:50
Have that they want that to.
51:53
Stop. Hating him Just accepted that
51:55
people are very different. It's a
51:57
big countries with lots of people.
51:59
Don't think. Like you. They weren't raised
52:01
like you and they don't really want
52:03
any part of the way you live.
52:05
Two K. Just. We don't have
52:08
to be not to hang out with them
52:10
and you don't have to hate them. And
52:12
by the way, this country isn't as different
52:14
as we think it is. I mean, we've
52:16
all kind of like adopted them all parts
52:18
of each other. I didn't editorial about this
52:20
this year with i think we use Jelly
52:22
Roll as an example. I mean he's a
52:24
country singer, but he's got said jews. You
52:26
know, he's and beyond say as I got
52:28
country album out. It's that kind of stuff,
52:30
you know? Let's let's just culturally appropriate from
52:32
each other and nothing that that's a big
52:34
said. So. You're helpful
52:36
person. The I gotta go. Up
52:40
as. A
52:49
service health deteriorates them the only
52:51
nine years. and Meghan Bernie special
52:54
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52:56
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52:58
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53:01
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53:03
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53:06
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53:08
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53:10
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53:13
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