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1:55

with a man who at the age of just

1:57

19 was facing 144

2:00

years behind Barnes. What's

2:04

going on, man? Here he is. How are you,

2:06

sir? I'm doing good. How you doing? I'm

2:08

doing well, thank you, sir. It's an absolute pleasure

2:10

to chat with you. Thanks for taking some

2:12

time. Thanks for having me, bro. This

2:14

is part one of the story

2:17

of Christopher Willis. During

2:28

the course of this show's existence, I've

2:30

said on many occasions that I strongly

2:32

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2:35

decision away from potentially

2:37

ruining our lives and ending

2:39

up behind bars. This

2:43

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2:46

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2:48

I made poor decisions as a youngster,

2:51

decisions that I look back on today and

2:53

just thank my lucky stars that

2:55

they didn't go south. Of

2:58

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3:00

than others. My

3:02

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3:04

judgments, usually fuelled by

3:07

alcohol. Christopher Willis's

3:09

decision was based on a

3:11

warped sense of family loyalty, wanting to

3:13

belong and an underpinning

3:16

anger that had been building

3:18

since childhood. Today

3:25

Christopher, or life as

3:27

he's known to his friends and family, is

3:30

a free man, a changed

3:32

man and a principal

3:34

at a school. So

3:36

how did he go from looking down the barrel of 144 years

3:38

in prison to where he is today? Well,

3:44

as always, we start from

3:47

the very beginning. sort

8:00

of by choice. You know, Mom convinced me to go.

8:02

I was trying to fight

8:04

through this. You know, I did not

8:06

want to necessarily go down this path

8:09

of negativity. Got through there. And

8:12

at 17 enlisted, because at the end of

8:14

the program, they had recruiters and, you know,

8:16

different job opportunities and vocational schools. And I

8:18

was initially going to the Marines and then

8:20

an Air Force recruiter came over and he

8:23

was like, man, you scored high enough. You

8:25

know, you don't have to get shot at

8:27

come over here to the Air Force, you

8:29

know. So yeah, that

8:32

was my opportunity. You know, I was

8:34

always this person. I was either

8:37

good at being good or good at being bad.

8:39

And I was always on both sides of

8:41

the fence. I never had to go down that

8:43

path. I just, I always drifted

8:45

that way. Less than two years into

8:47

his military career, although showing

8:49

early signs of promise in his new

8:51

chosen career, it comes to an end. Again,

8:55

due to his lack of control and

8:58

maturity. You go from getting kicked

9:00

out of school to

9:02

completing this program, getting in the military,

9:05

making your mother proud. Outwardly,

9:07

I was getting promoted, getting ready to get promoted to

9:09

an E4 at

9:11

a young age. I was already an E3 out

9:13

of basic, but off base,

9:16

fighting, drinking at the

9:18

station in North Dakota, might not. You

9:21

can go up to Canada and drink at 18.

9:23

So we're going up there on the weekends. And

9:25

this is my first time being independent, you know,

9:27

really out in the world. And I

9:30

just wasn't ready. Again, didn't have that sort

9:32

of maturity emotionally to be able to handle

9:34

it. Not at all. Yeah. Yeah. Not at

9:36

all. He packs his bags and

9:38

heads back to his mother's home, tail

9:41

between his legs and feeling

9:43

deflated. He would,

9:45

however, do his best to try and get

9:47

his life back on track and attempting to

9:50

give himself a focus. I went and got

9:52

a job at

9:54

Walmart, changing tires. My

9:56

mother was a store manager there. And again, it

9:58

was always this time. tug of war. You

10:01

know, even in that I was like, okay, I'm

10:04

gonna get a job. I'm gonna get a car. I'm

10:06

gonna get back on my feet. But

10:09

here we go again. Angry

10:12

because I messed up the situation,

10:15

nowhere to really, you know,

10:17

convey that message or outlet that at.

10:20

And then I started hanging out with an

10:23

older cousin and his friends because they were

10:25

really the only people around as far as

10:27

socially I could connect with at the time

10:29

being new there, you know, outside of a girlfriend that

10:31

I had. So it was and they weren't,

10:34

they weren't positive, they were negative. So

10:37

anything that I was feeling they were only,

10:39

you know, adding fuel to the fire versus

10:41

challenging, you know, as they should have, I

10:43

think back in the day. Yeah. And

10:45

no disrespect to Walmart and working at Walmart, but

10:48

you've gone from the military, which was, you know,

10:50

it's kind of a it's a cool thing. It's

10:52

seen as well. Look at you, you're doing

10:54

well. As you said, you were E3, E4. And

10:56

now you're changing tires at Walmart. So that must

10:59

have really pissed you off as well. Yeah,

11:01

it's it was just a shock. Your value

11:03

in society, you see yourself in one place,

11:06

you know, you're in your uniform, you're flying,

11:08

you know, and then boom, like you said,

11:10

it's not a knock on Walmart. But, you

11:12

know, socially it is you go from the

11:14

military to this. It's a shock. It's fair

11:16

to say his life isn't quite panning out

11:19

how you'd like. Frustrated,

11:22

angry, with zero guidance.

11:25

It wouldn't be long before he would

11:27

attempt to find that guidance, that sense

11:29

of purpose and opportunity in

11:31

completely the wrong place with

11:33

completely the wrong people. One

11:36

of which was his older cousin, a

11:39

cousin that he says when it came to the

11:42

criminal world, talked the talk,

11:44

but didn't exactly walk the walk.

11:47

You know, the thing about my cousin,

11:50

he was somebody that was living in

11:52

that fantasy world. When you look back

11:54

at it, he was somebody that him

11:56

and his friends would sit around and

11:58

watch, you know, mob flips. good fellows

12:00

and talk, but they never

12:03

really were in that life. You

12:05

know what I'm saying? And, um, I

12:08

was, you know what I'm saying? But

12:11

I'm 19. They're all 28 or

12:13

better. You know, there's an age

12:15

gap and every day that I was over

12:17

there, I'm at my cousin's apartment. Every day

12:19

he's around whatever the conversation's always the same,

12:21

like he's trying to get me to

12:24

jump out there with, you know, in some way,

12:26

shape or form, get out there in the streets.

12:28

And he used the same thing he said, bro,

12:30

similar to what we were just saying. And he

12:32

was just in the military. I know, I know

12:34

you're trying to get money. I know,

12:36

I know you don't want to stay down working

12:38

at Walmart. Like he would try to feed, you

12:40

know, these different things to me as a young

12:43

man that eventually over time

12:45

wore me down. And eventually wear him

12:47

down. It did. The

12:50

little seed that his cousin had planted

12:52

and been slowly watering was about to

12:55

sprout as one day life

12:58

cracks and makes a decision that would alter the course

13:02

of his future. So, uh, the

13:05

combination of me being that

13:07

depressed, angry now, angry

13:09

at the world, because I messed up my

13:12

own opportunity, being around my older cousin and

13:14

his friends that were caught up in this

13:16

fantasy street life. Um,

13:19

the conversation became more, I

13:22

remember at one time because I was over

13:24

there so much, I was entertaining the conversation.

13:26

But I remember at one time I was

13:28

trying to convince them just to hustle. I

13:30

was like, man, cause they were, they were already starting.

13:33

They started, man, we can go hit this place. We

13:35

can stick this place up. And I

13:37

remember straight off saying, I don't, I don't want

13:39

to do with that. Y'all are tripping. Like if

13:41

you do, you go to prison for a long

13:44

time. And I remember telling my cousin, I say,

13:46

man, let's just put the money together, get us

13:48

some weed and just sell us some

13:50

dime bags, sell us some, or whatever it is, the

13:52

good old, what I call back in the day, not

13:54

now, the good old fashioned way. Yeah. Um,

13:57

I don't want to do nothing by like that's what

13:59

I told him. And then because

14:01

I said that at first it was

14:03

all right. You know what, because you

14:05

write. But over time, his responses

14:07

became more negative, more short. And then he would

14:10

ask me in front of his homeboys, you know,

14:12

you're going to take that ride for us. And

14:14

now, you know, there's an audience. And

14:17

I remember one time. Probably

14:20

like the 50th time he's brought up something to

14:23

me, you know, over the course of two

14:25

or three months. I finally just

14:27

said, fuck, I said, whatever you want to do, man, I said,

14:30

whatever is going to get you to stop. You're so I said,

14:32

no, you think this is going to work. Let's get it. Let's

14:34

do it. And he

14:37

said, he said, that's what I'm talking about. He's

14:39

all amped up. He's excited. And

14:41

literally when I said that,

14:44

I felt like I felt everything drop. I knew that wasn't

14:46

the thing to say. And I also knew that I committed

14:48

to a path that I wasn't going to be able to

14:50

get back. He says that at the age of 19, being

14:54

hotheaded and misguided meant that when he

14:56

committed to something good or bad, that

14:58

was it. There was no turning back. However,

15:02

he still wasn't really taking

15:04

his cousin seriously. I

15:06

mean, all these guys do is talk. They

15:09

never actually do anything. Immediately before I left

15:11

the apartment that night, he was like, man,

15:13

come back over tomorrow when you

15:15

get off work and we're going to talk about it more.

15:18

He didn't really say what we were going to

15:20

do. But again, I kind of already figured it

15:22

out. The next day, got off

15:25

work, dropped my girl off, pulled

15:27

up into his apartment, walked into the

15:29

apartment. And

15:31

just like any other time, you know, walk right in, he's

15:33

got the door locked. I come in and

15:36

live in a kitchen, washing dishes or something at the time.

15:39

I look at the coffee table and I see a

15:41

gun. And I'm like, I've

15:44

never seen a gun in his apartment. And although

15:46

we had this exchange of words and conversation saying

15:48

we're going to go do something, I'm still in

15:50

my mind saying that, you know, he's

15:53

just talking. I've never seen or heard them

15:55

really doing anything. Looked at

15:57

it and immediately saw it was a BB

15:59

gun. So I kind of

16:01

took a deep breath. I was like, all right,

16:04

he's probably, there's no way he's taking it serious

16:06

now. It's a BB gun, but

16:08

I was wrong. You know, he came

16:10

out immediately. We began to have a conversation

16:12

and that was the whole basis

16:14

even more of getting me to go with him. See,

16:17

cause we ain't gonna hurt nobody. Nobody's gonna

16:19

get shot. It's not even a real gun.

16:22

You're just gonna be the driver. He's laying it all out to

16:24

me. He's like, you ain't gotta get out the truck. If

16:27

something goes left, there's no way they're gonna know who

16:29

you are. We're gonna have you park off to a

16:31

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16:33

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16:35

you know, wanting to be loyal to that

16:37

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16:40

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16:42

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16:45

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16:47

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16:49

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16:51

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16:53

like, no. He's like, man, come back when

16:56

it starts to get dark. Oh shit. And

16:59

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Turns out Mint mobile.com. I remember leaving. I

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remember going to my

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grandmother's house where I was living at the time with my

19:26

mother eating dinner

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and in my mind not knowing if it's going

19:30

to be like the last dinner. I just

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didn't know. I was just, I was scared the whole

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time I was eating. I remember wanting to tell my

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mom, like, you know what I'm

19:40

saying? Tell my granddaddy, I wish I would have. Because

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they would have stopped you. Yeah. If

19:44

I would have just said something right then, they

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would have been like, oh no. They probably would

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have stopped him. It's one of those sliding doors

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moments. Yeah. Yeah. You

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back. Take the dinner. Got back in

19:58

the truck, shot over there, and changed. by then

20:00

all that pulled up to the

20:02

apartment went in two of his homeboys

20:04

the two you know who would be my co-defendants as well

20:06

were there we were in the apartment

20:08

for like two minutes they were smoking i

20:11

hit the hit the blunt or whatever we

20:13

all took a shot got in the truck i

20:16

didn't i remember being so scared i didn't even ask him where

20:18

we were going we got in the

20:20

truck i cranked up and he was just starting he

20:22

just spit out directions and i was just driving

20:25

and i in my mind

20:27

i didn't want to ask how close we

20:29

were because i wanted the drive to last forever

20:31

at this point you know

20:34

and it was just a weird surreal moment

20:43

other things i remember it's october

20:46

it's cold it's rainy it's miserable

20:48

you know it's it's it's

20:51

everything that that only was you

21:00

know we got there i parked off and

21:02

showed me where to park off at a distance it

21:05

maybe only took us like 15 minutes to get there

21:07

and they were out the truck when

21:20

they were out the truck they ran into the place

21:22

the establishment they did what they did i know this

21:24

from reading the uh motion of discovery that i read

21:26

they probably were in there two or three

21:30

minutes but i'm it felt like two or three hours in

21:33

the truck when

21:38

i could finally hear him run into the truck you know

21:40

i could hear him just like oh you know i could

21:42

hear him just like oh shit you know

21:44

making too much noise in hindsight now you

21:47

know i'm not going to commit a crime now but i can tell

21:49

you that's not how you do it when

21:51

my cousin's opening the door the light picks

21:53

on you know inside interior of the truck

21:56

and i look i'm freaking out

21:58

now and and I

22:00

see money fall out, he's

22:02

sloppy. Our two co-defendants jump in the

22:04

back of the truck, I hear one of them

22:06

yell out, man, I dropped my bad data, and

22:10

I'm driving away in the dark. It's

22:12

not Oceans 11. Right, right. It's

22:15

not nowhere close to it, right? And

22:18

in my mind, I get us out

22:20

of there. I almost hit somebody, T-bonal,

22:23

miss him, got back, dropped them off,

22:25

but in my mind that whole night as I was

22:27

driving them there, and grateful when

22:29

I dropped them off, that's when the fear kicked

22:31

in, because I was really alone. This might sound

22:33

so foreign to somebody else, but if we would

22:35

have got locked up then in the truck, we

22:37

would have got locked up together. But

22:39

once I dropped them off, I'm by myself. This

22:43

is where the fear for life really

22:46

kicks in. Adrenaline still

22:48

coursing through him. He

22:50

can feel his heart pounding, his

22:54

hyper-alert, every noise

22:57

outside, every light,

23:00

every car that comes down the street. When

23:03

will the police gonna come crashing through his

23:05

door, guns drawn? I'm

23:09

trying to justify my mind over and over again.

23:11

I'm just hoping and praying, like maybe

23:13

the money blew down a gutter, or

23:16

a sewer somewhere. Maybe the handkerchief

23:19

washed whatever off. I

23:21

don't know. I'm the 19-year-old guy.

23:23

I know nothing about prison, courts,

23:26

nothing. It's just me now, totally

23:28

different conversation. But that was it. That

23:31

was the end. I knew right then, I

23:33

knew it was over, and

23:35

that was it. I mean, there was no other feeling

23:38

of process. At that point, I just knew it was

23:40

a waiting game. I

23:42

didn't feel like there was gonna be escape. I didn't feel like

23:45

there was gonna be escape. And

23:47

even if I could have escaped the charges,

23:50

I felt like that shit was gonna eat me. up

24:00

because that's not who I was. Even though we didn't

24:02

go in that, even though I didn't go in that

24:04

place, even though nobody got hurt physically, even

24:07

though I was this kid that used to get in the fist fights, even

24:10

though I was in the military to

24:12

commit a crime with a gun, even though it was a fake

24:15

gun, it was too much. The next day

24:17

went to my cousins because now it's time for

24:19

us to divvy up. We didn't divvy up the

24:21

money the night of. We get

24:23

there, he divvies

24:26

up the money, and man,

24:28

the short form version of the

24:31

story is all

24:33

of that for less than $500, at

24:35

least my take. I know for a fact,

24:37

he probably pinched out the bag. It was a blue

24:39

money bag he pulled out, and

24:41

he probably went through that the

24:44

night before. I

24:46

remember just that sinking feeling like, how

24:50

did I go from the military to

24:53

here? And

25:22

almost relief comes over

25:26

until the

25:28

craziest shit happened. And

25:30

that's why I tell people, good

25:33

things and bad things happen in the weirdest of

25:35

ways. We probably would

25:37

have gotten away in

25:39

hindsight. But what

25:41

happened was now

25:43

my cousins got some money. One

25:46

of my co-defendants moved in with him and his

25:49

baby mama and the baby into the apartment. They

25:51

got a two bedroom apartment. They're

25:53

playing music loud, they're smoking weed. They're

25:55

having a good old time. One

25:58

of the neighbors calls to the police. to do

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a welfare check because they hear a

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baby crying in the apartment. Yeah,

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my cousin's codefended or our

26:08

codefended, you know, had

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his baby moms and his child in there. So

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police come to the door, music's

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blasting, boom, boom, boom.

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I read all this in the emotional discovery.

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Who is it that they announced who they

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are? My cousin turns the music off, opens

26:28

up the door and he opens up the

26:30

door, they smell the weed. They smell marijuana.

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Now there was a baby crying, they

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smell marijuana, they have reason to enter

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blood. They shake it out,

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nothing crazy with the baby, the baby was fine, but they

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were smoking weed in there, they shouldn't have been doing that

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around the baby. They ended up searching,

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the only thing they found, they found like a glass

26:49

ball. And then they found

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out all the things they could have found,

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the blue money bag from

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the crime. As

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a 40 year old man, as an advocate, that

27:03

now fights for these teenagers,

27:05

I see the same thing to this

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day, repeated cycles. And we just don't

27:10

know we're unequipped and we do, we

27:12

just don't move with intelligence, right? And

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I'm not glorifying, I'm not telling anybody

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to commit crimes, but that was a

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bonehead. That's obvious. Whether you're somebody in

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the streets or not, you rob a

27:22

place, a money bag, we can all

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agree, that shouldn't have been there. They

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pulled the money bag off the top

27:29

of the kitchen cupboard or

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whatever, didn't lock anybody

27:34

up, but they tagged it, they took

27:36

it with them. And that initiated the

27:38

investigation. You have one minute remaining. And

27:41

that's all we have time for. But

27:43

coming up in part two, the

27:46

clock is officially ticking. And

27:48

it wouldn't be long before police would

27:50

eventually come knocking. And it

27:52

wasn't until that moment that the man

27:54

they call life suddenly found out

27:57

just how much of his own life was...

28:00

on the line. I'm thinking two,

28:02

three years worst case scenario. And as

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he's saying that, he said

28:06

all your charges, he said those

28:08

robbery offenses are five years to

28:10

life each. You're facing multiple

28:12

life sentences and then he walks out. Next

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time on One Minute Remaining. One

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