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We are going back to the Euros and

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delighted to welcome back to the program Jean-Philippe

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Leclerc. Jean-Philippe, good morning. How are you? Good

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morning. Bonjour. What

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is the national mood in France at

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the moment? Is it an entire fascination

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with the nose of Gillian Mbappe? Yeah,

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exactly. Like it

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was during the World Cup with, you

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remember, DuPont, Antoine DuPont. What? And

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this famous, now famous mask. same

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story with with Mbappe at this time.

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So there was a bit of

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a panic at the end of the game because we

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we thought we were concerned that

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it could be the end of the competition for

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him. But then the first

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news came that it was not so bad

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that he didn't have to

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to have surgery right away. But

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I mean still he's gonna

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miss the the next game

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against Holland and

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if everything goes

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according to plan that we

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beat Holland he may miss

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the game against Poland just just to

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rest. But the

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fact is that I don't think it's really good for him

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not to play because he had a

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very strange season with Pais-en-Germain and

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with a lot of ups and downs.

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And I think he's this kind of player

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like an NBA player who needs to play

2:54

every three days. So I

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mean I don't think

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it's a very good start for yeah

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it's it's it's kind of I'm kind

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of concerned with the Mbappe situation even

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if it's not as bad as we thought

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right after the game. That's interesting because in

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the build-up to the World Cup Antoine

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Griezmann barely played because of the weird

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contractual situation between Barcelona and

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Atletico. And he came in quite

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rested and seemed to benefit from that.

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But the argument with Mbappe seems to be this

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he improves with the regular game time.

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Yeah I think it's

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totally different because what happened

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with Mbappe last season with Pais-en-Germain is

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that he didn't have a proper summer

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preparation because of the

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conflict with with Pais-en-Germain.

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And then since he announced which was

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back in January or February that

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he wouldn't add a

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one year to his contract.

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There was a fight with him

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and Nasser Khaleefi and

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Nasser didn't want him to play

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anymore but Ubi Sanrika said I

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need him. So it was

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in this situation like some

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games he was in the starting 11, some

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other games he was on the

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bench. So it was and

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I've already told you and Bape is this kind

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of player he needs to play every three games.

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It's not a problem for him. So

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I think he even from

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what we have seen during the game

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against Austria,

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it's like he has kind of

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lost his killer instinct. He

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was not as confident as

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he was in Qatar for the World Cup. He

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missed some chances that usually he

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doesn't miss. So even before

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the no situation, I don't

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think his game against Austria

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was very good. Right. Do

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you think France can win the tournament if

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Bape is not as best or not close

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to his best? The

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problem overall is that not many, I mean

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we have big names of course. If you

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look at the

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full squad, we have a lot of big names. But

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if you look at every player situation,

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only few of them have done a

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great season. If

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you look at the Connate

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with Liverpool or Upamecano with

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Bayern, even Mike Menon

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with Assimilian, he had a

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lot of injuries. So many players like this, I

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mean the players that really

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had a great season are Pavar

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or Marcus Tuham for

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Inter for example. But Pavar

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didn't play or is considered as

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a substitute by the show. And

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Tuham didn't play in his best

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position. So it's

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not the best start. It

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was the same before Qatar,

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but I'm a little more

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concerned now than I was

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before at the beginning of the tournament in

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Qatar. Okay, that's interesting because

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the rest of the world is like... looking at the French team,

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a gog at the talent

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level they have and scared of

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what they're going to be like when they actually start to hit form.

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Yes, but football is

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not only a question of names, but

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it's mostly a question of

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how do you play together

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and in what kind of

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shape you are before entering

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the tournament. And

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we have to face the

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truth. I mean, not many

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players, the friendly games

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were not very good. Even look

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at the situation for next game, who's going

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to play instead of Mbappe.

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Normally, it should be Giroud, but

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Giroud's got a beginning of growing

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injury. And

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his friendly games were with France

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before the tournament were very bad.

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So who else could it

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be? Colomuani, he didn't have

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a very good season with Paris Saint-Germain, far

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from that. So of

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course, you got all those big names, all

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those players, hugely talented, but are they at

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the top of their form for this tournament?

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It's not so obvious. Can

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we talk a little bit about the political

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context around what's happened when

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Mbappe and

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Turam came out and spoke about this?

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It felt like a

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big moment in world sport in many ways because

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the English players are not saying anything about this.

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The German players, it seems, are not saying anything

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about it. So what

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has the response been like? I mean, we see

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what the response from RN is, but what has

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the response been like from most

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French people to what's happened? Usually

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when football players say

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what takes political

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stance, you get a reaction.

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People who

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say, they are

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so rich, they don't even live

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in France, and they shouldn't talk

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like this. at

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miro.com. That's miro.com. This

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is not the first time that

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we've seen the French players at loggerheads

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with politicians in the country. Jean-Marie

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Le Pen in 2006 famously

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questioning the ferocity with which the

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French players would sing their national

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anthem. You had obviously

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Marcus's father Lillian come out afterwards

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critical in return saying things that like

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Le Pen doesn't realize that some French people are

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black and other people have not got blonder brown

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hair. And there has been this

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culture even from Zidane's point of view he's

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said that the national front was a party

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which does not correspond to all the valleys

12:37

of France around the 2002 World Cup. You

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have this culture of players who have been

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willing to at least hit back on

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certain sections of the French political class.

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Yeah it really starts I remember it

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really starts in 1996 for the euro

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in England. That was the first time

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that Jean-Marie Le Pen doesn't

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know a thing about football. That's the

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first time that he said that there

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were too many foreigners in the French

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national routine that the French national team

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said was artificial. And there

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was a response at the time from

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the players even including Gilead de Champs

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who said that what Le Pen said was

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really useless. And since that

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because I've been Jean-Marie

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Le Pen I've made some this kind

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of comments a few times and

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the players answered to that. And

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I think the first time that Zidane I

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mean Zidane doesn't really like to talk about

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politics is a little bit like you

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know Michael Jordan at the time like

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the less he talks about politics

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the better he feels. But with

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what happened I think it was in 2002 when

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it was already macro against Marie

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Le Pen. For the

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first time Zidane said that he was

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against the national front and that

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he thought that it would be bad for the country

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to have Le Pen for president. And

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And so, yes, there is this

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history between the national

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front, what was the national front,

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not what is the national rally.

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I think that's how you call them. And

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when you look at the team, even right now,

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that's for sure. It's not the kind of, it's

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not the ideal French team for

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the ex-national front. Too

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many, that's what Le Pen said in

14:26

the past, too many current players. But

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Marine Le Pen has

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been more cautious about it because

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she knows that the French

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national team, after all the

14:40

success they had those recent

14:42

years when they won the World

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Cup in Russia and then the final

14:46

in Qatar, they have been hugely popular in

14:48

France. Some

14:51

fans, some football fans that don't

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really, even don't really follow Paris

14:56

Saint-Germain Marseille, they're just football

14:58

fans, a lot of middle class,

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a lot of families. And so

15:03

even the national front, the

15:05

ex-national front, the Marine

15:07

Le Pen, Jordan Barbella, they

15:10

are very careful about what they say about

15:12

this team because they

15:14

know this team is very popular. So

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as long as this team wins, I

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think they will keep

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it quiet. Imagine

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if we get kicked out after the first

15:27

round, yeah, it's going to

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be, once again we will hear the

15:31

ones of Le Pen and stuff saying

15:33

bad things about Le Bleu. That's for

15:36

sure. They only wait for that. Yeah,

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it takes a pretty high, like it's interesting to bring us back

15:41

to 1996 there. It's

15:43

obviously been well written about and

15:45

it's well remembered for people who remember it

15:47

well. It's just the unifying

15:49

force of 1998 or the

15:51

reporting of a unifying force. I'm not sure how

15:53

real that feels with the benefit of 26 years

15:55

of hindsight. Like, does that

15:58

feel like a bit of a facade? at

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this moment or something that was a bit

16:02

fleeting? Or did you feel that 1998 was a real answer

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to what Le Pen said in 96 and

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it had a long lasting impact? Yes, we

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call it the La France Black

16:13

Blonde Bur. But

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once again, it was because we won

16:17

the World Cup. And

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I don't think it's not fair

16:22

to expect too much from football

16:24

players. I mean, if they

16:26

can just give a sense of joy and

16:28

excitement to a country for even for a

16:31

short period of time, just the

16:33

time to, I mean, that's what happened in

16:35

1998 for

16:38

the final, even for the semi-final, all

16:40

the country was in the street and

16:42

everybody was waving French flags, even if

16:44

you were a national front or

16:49

if you were living in the country

16:51

side of the, or

16:53

if you were living in the suburbs.

16:56

And, but it doesn't

16:59

really last. It only

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lasted, I mean,

17:03

few months after Le Pen was

17:05

a super round of the presidential

17:07

election. So you

17:09

can expect too much from

17:11

football if it gives you a sense

17:14

of joy and excitement for

17:16

a couple of, for a few

17:18

weeks, I mean, a few

17:20

months. I mean, that's enough. But

17:24

football is not gonna cure all of

17:26

the problems. That's for sure. I mean,

17:28

they are much bigger than football at

17:30

the moment in France. So

17:33

if we win this Euro,

17:35

that will be great for the country. If we,

17:38

if our athletes succeed at the Olympic Games,

17:40

that would be great. But

17:43

at the end of August, I'm not

17:45

sure that will solve all our problems,

17:48

especially if we have a national

17:50

front prime minister. That's

17:52

for sure. And it is critical at this point that

17:55

those elections are gonna take place before the Olympic

17:57

games. I know you were in the French West Indies

17:59

over the past. couple of days looking at the torch.

18:02

I'm just back. I'm just back, yes. Talk

18:05

to us. I was in a French

18:07

Western days in Matinec because my father

18:09

in law was a

18:12

torch bearer for the Olympic

18:14

relay. So he did the Olympic

18:16

games in 64 and 68 in Mexico. He

18:21

was one of the best

18:23

ever eye jumper in France. Wow.

18:27

We went with him in

18:29

his native French Matinec. That

18:32

was a great day

18:34

for him and a great day for the family.

18:36

The 68 Olympics, they take place at altitude. So

18:38

I guess he must have jumped pretty high. Not

18:42

as high as he expected because he was

18:44

among the favorites. And

18:46

he was very disappointed because he only finished

18:49

ninths. One of the most

18:51

famous competition of eye jump ever

18:54

because it was won by Fosbury.

18:56

That was the beginning of the Fosbury flop. My

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father in law only finished ninths. Even

19:05

this day, if you talk about it with him,

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he's still very... He

19:09

doesn't like to talk about it. He's

19:12

still very disappointed

19:15

that he didn't have

19:18

a medal in Mexico. The

19:21

Mexico games are one of the most

19:23

fascinating and interesting periods of all

19:26

the stuff we're talking about. Sport as an agent

19:28

for social change and all it

19:31

can really do is reflect. Thomas

19:33

Smith was in Paris last

19:35

week. I went to listen

19:37

to him. It was very

19:39

interesting, especially given the second

19:42

instance is now in France. Always

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great to have you with us. John Philippe, thanks a million for making the

19:47

time. No

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problem. Interesting

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summer in France, interesting summer in Ireland. It's

19:54

been a theme of the show. Football

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can't fix us, but we can use it. it as

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an agent of change. No. Sure. But

20:02

also, you kind of have to commend the French

20:04

players in saying what they're saying. Amazing stuff. It

20:06

really is, because it's. There's

20:09

no profits for them. No. And they've

20:11

just increased the pressure on themselves 10-fold.

20:14

You can see Le Pen's party.

20:17

Certainly, their opinions are on ice for now, because

20:19

they know that there's a chance that France might

20:21

go and win this competition. But already, you can

20:23

hear from the party that's patronizing Adroni footballers. They

20:25

don't really know what they're talking about. If France

20:28

bomb out in this group stage,

20:30

which isn't likely to be fair, if they

20:32

have this point in knockout stage, results, you

20:35

can imagine that that goes from opinions on

20:37

ice to flamethrowers, all guns blazing

20:39

at these players. So that's what's coming. And

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it's coming on a say when this tournament

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is expect. Yeah. Welcome

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to another round of drawing board or

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Miro board. Today, we discuss technical diagramming

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with systems architect, Maya. Let's go. First

20:53

question. You've spent 10 hours slogging over

20:55

a sequence diagram that should have taken

20:57

five, drawing board or Miro board? Drawing

20:59

board. And if I'm being honest, Miro

21:01

would probably cut that time down by

21:04

half, you know, with its AI tools

21:06

and ready to go templates. Next, your

21:08

diagrams become so bulky, it's more complex

21:10

than the solar system. But all it

21:13

takes is a few clicks and? It's

21:15

Miro. I've used those technical shape packs

21:17

way too many times. And stuff is

21:19

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