0:20

Hello. Hello. Hello,

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Steve. It's a very plaintive sounding voice.

0:25

Yeah, I know. Steve, are

0:27

you there? Are you there, buddy? I'm

0:29

here, man. I'm with you. Thank God.

0:31

Thank God. Thank God you're there, Steve.

0:34

Once more under the breach, my friend. Once

0:36

more under the breach. Henry

0:39

V. That's Henry V here on the

0:41

chinwag. And it's the chinwag, by the

0:43

way. That's Henry V, I

0:46

believe. I believe that's a famous speech

0:48

from Henry V. It's a

0:50

great play. It is a great play.

0:52

I really just know that one speech,

0:54

that one scene. I kind of vaguely

0:56

know that one scene, too. But that's

0:59

the whole England and St. George and

1:01

St. Crispin's Day. We few,

1:03

we happy few. We band of

1:05

brothers. That's where band of brothers is from.

1:09

Wow, that just came back to me. I think

1:11

that's right. We band of brothers. Yeah,

1:13

that's when he gets everybody. It's

1:15

a stirring speech. It is a stirring speech.

1:17

We give it to each other right before

1:20

we start recording the chinwag. Every

1:23

time. We're giving you a little glimpse behind the

1:26

curtain here. This is what we do. So

1:28

we work ourselves up. We do a

1:31

little Shakespeare, Henry V to each other.

1:33

Jesus Christ. Unbelievable. We

1:35

few, we happy. We

1:38

happy few. We band of

1:40

brothers. Amazing. But

1:43

it is a great speech. And that's before the

1:45

Battle of Agincourt, Steve, where

1:49

the British bowmen bested the

1:51

French armored

1:54

soldiers. Were they

1:56

totally outnumbered? Was that like

1:58

a... No, I think it was a... technological

2:00

leap that battle. I think it was, I

2:03

think it was this, you know, the age

2:05

of armor was, the age of armor was

2:07

passing. I see. Because it was these guys

2:09

all sort of, all

2:11

these fucking French counts and everything and their

2:13

armor and stuff were riding out. And these

2:15

guys were just nailing them with these crossbows

2:18

and longbows, longbows. And so it

2:20

was like, and it created chaos

2:22

for the, these

2:24

kinds of footmen, these ordinary dudes

2:26

with their longbows were defeating this

2:29

kind of military machine, all

2:31

in armor, cause they fucked them

2:33

up that way. That's actually an interesting, you

2:35

know, maybe this is two in

2:37

the weeds, but it could be a cool

2:39

chain way. That might be a really like,

2:41

that might be a, well, yeah. Well, how

2:44

so? You mean like? Innovations on the battlefield.

2:46

Like if you think about, Oh, interesting. you

2:48

know, the British and the American soldiers fighting

2:50

and the different techniques of lining up and

2:52

marching versus, you know, the sort of guerrilla

2:54

style, that could be kind of a cool,

2:56

if we got a specialist, you know. And

2:58

all that stuff moves on. Yeah. I think

3:00

this, I think the American civil war was

3:03

a big step forward in a lot of

3:05

that. Cause they were still fighting that kind

3:07

of Napoleonic war, but the weapons,

3:09

the weapons were getting more advanced so that

3:11

you had, you know, so that in the

3:13

first world war, I think was another one

3:16

where it was sort of like this old

3:18

war was being fought and then these advances

3:20

on it. And now it's just dude sitting

3:22

in a room flying a drone around. And

3:25

they're working on the robots too, that'll be just coming

3:28

over the hill. Right. It's not

3:30

really, that's the retattic. They are working on

3:32

it. So they'll be fought out by robots.

3:34

Well, maybe that's better. I don't know. Is

3:36

it better? I don't know.

3:38

I don't know. I mean, some people say

3:40

like, that could be, it's better for whoever

3:42

has the fucking robots. That's for sure. But

3:46

also like they might be better at

3:48

like avoiding friendly fire and killing innocents

3:50

and stuff, because some people say they'd

3:52

be better at reading the data. Interesting.

3:55

I don't know if that's true. Weird.

3:58

God damn it. I know. He's

30:00

just all for like everybody killing each other. Yeah,

30:03

that's not Nietzsche. Yeah, I didn't think so. I

30:05

didn't think so, Steve. I just wanted

30:07

to clarify, which is why we're doing... No,

30:09

you nailed it. Just why I'm asking the

30:11

philosopher. There's that movie that

30:13

got a lot of attention, like everything all at once,

30:15

everything everywhere all at once. Yeah.

30:19

And it sort of has some of these issues in it. Like

30:22

there's sort of the daughter and she...

30:24

There's like the everything bagel, which represents

30:26

nihilism, and she's stuck there. Yeah. And

30:29

she has to... Her mom and she have to

30:31

work to this higher level where

30:33

they have to create meaning and purpose instead

30:36

of trying to find it somewhere else. And so the

30:38

film is sort of playing with these ideas too. We're

30:42

at the 20th century. We can just blow

30:44

through a lot of this because it ain't that

30:46

interesting. Let's just jump to the end. Let's just

30:48

jump to the end. We could just go... I

30:50

mean, you got... And it culminates in

30:52

the chin way. Should

30:55

we just say fuck it? I mean, it's up to you.

30:57

There's a couple more. There's a couple more. I mean... Let's

31:00

like... We won't name drop, but I'll just say kind

31:02

of what happens in the 20th century. Yeah,

31:05

just go through. Yeah, just go through. So

31:07

just to cap it off, or to put

31:10

a cherry on it as they say. Thanks. You

31:12

get the scientific philosophers of the 20th

31:14

century who are like really

31:16

into logic and they do great work by

31:19

creating... Because science is developing to such a

31:21

stage now that it's looked upon as like

31:23

a useful tool for philosophy. And

31:26

philosophers are doing logic that then

31:28

becomes useful to computer science. Like

31:31

we... Philosophers created the logic that

31:33

made the binary calculus for

31:36

making computers. So that stuff

31:38

that Alan Turing built, that was all like built on

31:40

the shoulders of people

31:42

like Bertrand Russell and Carnap. Anyway, so

31:44

there's all those science guys. And they're

31:46

boring. They tend to dominate. And they're

31:48

a little boring. I think

31:50

they're awesome, but they're a little boring. They're a little dry.

31:54

And then they're sort of in England and in the States.

31:57

And then on the continent, you know, the

31:59

French, the Germans. German, Spanish

32:01

philosophers, they're doing much more

32:03

literary type stuff. They're writing

32:05

like novels and then

32:07

it gets really weird starting in

32:09

the sixties and seventies where you get

32:11

the rise of postmodernism and people like

32:13

Foucault and I guess I said, we're

32:16

gonna name drop, but Deleuze, Foucault and

32:18

Derrida. And these guys are all sort

32:20

of, and there's a lot

32:22

of like artistic stuff with

32:24

that. They're looking at literature too, as well

32:26

as like history and stuff. And again, they're

32:28

also saying there's no underpinnings to any of

32:30

this stuff. Yeah, they're like, look

32:33

at the language and they're like language you

32:35

think is making sense, but if you look

32:37

closely, it's not tied to anything. It's

32:40

just referring back to itself all the time.

32:42

That's what they're focusing on. So everything sort

32:44

of all bets are off about like meaning

32:47

and stuff like that. And they're also very

32:49

influenced by Marx. Like they see everything as

32:51

a power struggle. It's a class struggle, it's

32:53

race struggle, it's always a struggle. Well, that's

32:55

an interesting thing. So last guy, because it's

32:58

true, Marx becomes so important in the later

33:00

20th century. And he's a

33:02

guy where everything is based and sort of

33:04

history is this sort of class struggle building

33:06

towards a kind of utopia

33:08

at some point. Yeah, Marx was hugely

33:10

influenced by Hegel, who he said, I

33:12

turned Hegel on his head. Because Hegel

33:14

was like about the idea like thesis,

33:17

antithesis, synthesis, that's all happening in your

33:20

head. And Marx was like, no, it's

33:22

all about economics. It's about the material

33:24

world. Do you have wealth? If

33:27

the classes are in tension with

33:29

each other, then a revolution has

33:31

to happen and that produces progress.

33:33

So that's still very influential in

33:35

continental philosophy. And even now, pretty

33:37

influential still. It still is, yeah.

33:39

So the guy I wanna ask

33:41

about that is still outstanding, that

33:43

I wanted to ask the philosopher

33:46

about is Heidegger. Is Martin Heidegger.

33:48

Heidegger. And I remember

33:50

taking a class in existentialism

33:53

in college and just

33:55

being most of them, I was like, okay, I

33:57

get this. But Heidegger, I was like, I don't

33:59

know. now

36:00

my glasses are a thing in the world. And

36:02

before that, they were just an extension of

36:05

my body. And I think

36:07

a lot of jazz musicians and

36:09

actors, they like this

36:11

idea because there's a way in

36:13

which you are using your body

36:15

as a way of investigating things.

36:18

And you're not up in your head when

36:20

you're improvising jazz. So it's instinct and

36:22

stuff like that? It's that kind of

36:24

thing? It's instinct, but it

36:27

can be cultivated too. He says there's two

36:29

ways to operate in the world. One

36:31

is the world is like present to hand,

36:34

which means you can do science on it. You

36:36

can look at the glasses and it's present. And

36:39

the other is that the world is ready to

36:41

hand, which means you're just always, it's like an

36:43

extension of you. You're

36:46

constantly using all

36:48

these tools. I mean, you could

36:50

be driving your car or playing the

36:52

drums and you're not even- The

36:54

unconscious acting of just your

36:56

life. The kind

36:58

of unconscious. And does he think one is

37:01

better than the other? Or

37:03

does he- He thinks one hasn't got

37:05

enough attention by philosophy. Which is

37:07

the bottom. Which is the ready, which is

37:09

the bottom. He has the ideas embodied. And

37:12

then he has other ideas too, but to

37:14

me that's the really interesting stuff. Interesting. And

37:16

the one thing I associate with Heidegger, and

37:22

I don't know if this is

37:24

accurate or not, is to my mind there's

37:26

this idea of authenticity with him. Yes. Because

37:29

there's lots of talk about authenticity for

37:31

a long time now. Sort of general,

37:33

this idea of being authentic in the

37:35

world and people being authentic and people

37:38

presenting authentically. And it's

37:40

such a thing in the world now. And I always

37:42

remember when my son was a kid, we

37:45

were watching this gamer kid on YouTube. And

37:48

I was like, oh, I'm not gonna do that. Gamer

37:50

kid on YouTube. And I

37:52

was like, this is, and the kid was having going

37:54

through a whole crisis at home. So he was sitting

37:56

there talking. And I remember my son saying, what's

37:58

great about this guy is that-