0:07

On the Pilot TV podcast this week, we're

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wrapping our heads around some mind-bending physics in

0:12

Three Body Problem on Netflix, putting the pedal

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to the metal with last week's guest, Anthony

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Mackie in Twisted Metal on Paramount Plus, and

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trying to blag our way into a very

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exclusive company with Kristen Wiig in Palm Royale

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on Apple TV Plus. Plus, Woomy Misaku joins

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us on the podcast this week to talk

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about Passenger, which lands on ITV next week.

0:59

This is the highlight of the podcast, Boydie. We

1:05

need to know. Wait, wait, wait. Did you actually

1:07

watch it? Yeah. Yeah. You

1:10

did such a good impression of someone who'd completely

1:12

forgotten just then. You looked crestfallen when you said it. No,

1:14

no, no. Absolutely watched it. Yeah.

1:17

Yeah. And I liked it. Yeah.

1:20

I carried on liking it. I carried on being gripped

1:22

by it. It has moments, right, it has moments that

1:24

are stretched credulity, shall we say,

1:26

and other moments that are

1:28

slightly weirdly,

1:31

I don't know, shot and edited,

1:33

not weirdly, but just a little bit clunky. Clunky,

1:35

that's the word. But basically,

1:38

I really enjoyed the... One of

1:40

the main things about it is it's got a wishful

1:42

fulfillment element to it in that Sally Lynne's character, who

1:44

are a run-listener, has been ripped off

1:46

in a kind of fake... There's a word for

1:48

it, like fake romance situation to basically buy this

1:50

guy in Greece who pretends to be falling

1:52

in love with her. A love scam.

1:54

A love scam. That's a love scam. She

1:56

falls for it, takes all her money, etc. Well, the

1:59

kind of wishful fulfillment... is that she gets to

2:01

find out exactly what's going

2:03

on. No spoilers with

2:05

the obviously, you know, back in the first episode

2:07

and the next three episodes are really all about,

2:10

you know, finding out the detail

2:12

of this scam and the detail of

2:14

the guy, people who are carrying it

2:17

out and how it works and it

2:19

delving deep into, you know, the motive,

2:21

apart from greed and, you know, being

2:23

a wrong one of the guy who

2:26

pretends to seduce her. And that's interesting.

2:29

I've got a question. Did Neil Morrissey appear

2:31

in it more because I thought he was shortchanged

2:33

in that first episode. No,

2:35

because Neil Morrissey is his estranged

2:37

husband and he comes to help

2:39

her out when, you know, he

2:41

flies over to help her out and be, you

2:43

know, be there for her while she's going through

2:45

this horrendous life ruining stuff. And

2:48

they have a kind of quite believable relationship,

2:50

I thought kind of well matched and, you

2:52

know, he can be a bit annoying with

2:54

her and, you know, he's kind of frustrated with what

2:56

she wants to do, how she wants to stay in

2:59

and, you know, sort this fucking thing out and get to

3:01

the bottom of the scam. So they have like conflict over

3:03

that. But he's pretty good. Neil Morrissey is always really good.

3:05

Ramon Tikarem is really good. This is kind of one of

3:08

the one of the dodgy characters at the centre of it

3:10

all. So yeah,

3:12

I genuinely enjoyed it. I've seen it. I've

3:15

seen it. You two aren't the only ones who like,

3:17

you know, taking a piss out of it. I

3:19

know. But equally, I think there's a lot

3:21

of there's like a narrative of, you know,

3:24

a Channel 5 drama starring Sally Lindsay is

3:26

going to be a bit basic. I'm not

3:28

saying I'm not saying I'm not saying I

3:30

am 100% and that person. And

3:35

yet it's still true. I have to say James

3:37

and some other show we say, you know, low

3:41

level, low level newspapers, shall we say? James

3:43

and the tabs. Yeah, exactly. James is aligning himself with

3:46

the Daily Mail. That's

3:48

what's happening. Oh my God. That's harsh.

3:51

The poster boy. Yeah. Oh

3:53

my God. Yeah. But

3:56

genuinely I enjoyed it and I found it

3:58

interesting. And the above and beyond. everything.

4:01

It's Sally, she is great, genuinely

4:03

great. There

4:05

are elements of the script that could

4:08

have been worked over and it's not

4:10

perfect. There are certain scenes where she

4:12

has to do something, oh my God, you know, eye roll

4:14

kind of like, really, you know. But she pulls them off,

4:18

she sells it. She's brilliant. I think,

4:20

I'm not looking to go. No,

4:23

we said, to be fair, well, at least

4:25

I did. She is great in it. She's

4:27

probably the best thing, oh,

4:30

100%. But I think, you know, I think

4:32

it was interesting and, you know, I'm not going to say interesting

4:34

again, I've said it about 5,000 times. But

4:36

I genuinely watched it all. It was not

4:39

a trial. I absolutely,

4:42

I'm just glad I watched it to the

4:44

end. And yeah, I think it's good. Check

4:46

it out. So boy,

4:48

boy, obviously, this whole thing has been very perplexing

4:50

for me. So I, you know, not

4:52

that I don't take your word for these things, not

4:54

that I respect you as a venerable film critic, you

4:56

are, of course, TV's Boyd Hilton. But I thought it

4:59

important to refer this to a higher authority to get,

5:01

you know, a real, a real proper expert opinion on

5:03

this to that end. And frankly, this was unsolicited. I

5:05

got a text yesterday from my mum. Oh,

5:08

wow. It reads, it reads thusly, I

5:10

am thoroughly enjoying Love Rat and so are

5:13

my friends. We are all over 70. What

5:15

does that say? That

5:19

is brilliant. So there you go. My mum weighs in.

5:21

Love Rat is a hit. I

5:23

mean, it's an interesting point because I would

5:26

say is that sometimes you do have

5:28

to think not everything is for you

5:31

know, hipster 2030 something. Oh, yeah. Oh,

5:33

yes, that's me. I am definitely

5:35

a. Yeah. No,

5:37

in general. And it's a good point. And

5:39

I think this I haven't checked the view

5:41

things, I'm sure do really well, because

5:44

so Lindsay's a big draw as well.

5:46

But yeah, and channel five, in general,

5:48

I get you there's a whole channel

5:50

five, like, they know what they do

5:52

that channel knows its audience better than

5:54

any other mainstream channel in British television,

5:56

honestly, from this kind of show to

5:58

the thrills with its incredible. fast

6:00

turnaround document. They've got a documentary on Saturday

6:02

night about that terrible Wonka

6:04

ville. Fast turnaround documentary

6:09

on that this Saturday night and you know

6:11

it's like that kind of thing they're brilliant

6:13

at responding to what people genuinely have had

6:15

four documentaries about air fryers so far and

6:17

there's another one coming up. Do you have

6:19

an air fryer? No

6:22

no my mum does though. My mum does. My

6:25

mum does not have an air fryer. But

6:28

no I do not also own an air fryer. I'm

6:30

considering one of these things where I want one I

6:32

just don't know what I do with it. Like what

6:34

do I use it for? I have an oven but

6:36

I want one. Again I don't understand why I want one.

6:38

I just want one. They're very quick. You don't

6:40

have to like you don't have to preheat them. I've

6:43

got a fan oven it's fine. Yeah a fan oven is

6:45

fine. They're quicker than a fan oven as

6:47

well and there's certain things they do really well like

6:49

crispy roast potatoes. I don't know

6:51

what I'm saying. Someone's watched

6:53

a full documentary. I

6:56

did read that Jamie Oliver is starting

6:58

an air fryer TV show. Yeah. Yeah.

7:01

It's an air fryer cooking. Wow. Early

7:03

TV news but yeah that's shows. Yeah that's

7:06

happening. That's happening. Anyway Channel 5 don't get me

7:08

started but yeah they really know what they're doing when

7:10

it comes to the audience and I

7:12

love the fact that your mum and her friends all in the world

7:14

love that. Very big TV. 70s

7:16

and 80s contingent. I'm a

7:18

70 something old woman at heart obviously. Oh

7:21

yeah boy you've gone in the world. Women of a

7:23

certain age. Yeah that's good. Okay great. Well

7:25

that's the love rat update for you. That's the main part of

7:27

the podcast. You might as well go now. But if you want

7:29

to hang around we might as well talk about some other things.

7:32

What have you guys been watching this week? Let's start with

7:34

you Kay. So I've only watched one thing this

7:36

week. I and it's because I reviewed it but I

7:38

would have watched it anyway and that is Mandy. So

7:41

I think did we review

7:44

the last series on here? I can't remember. It's

7:47

the Diane Morgan comedy and

7:49

it's a ludicrous comedy

7:51

character but I kind

7:54

of enjoy her. She reminds me of if anyone

7:56

has ever watched She's Stenders she's

7:58

very Shirley Carter-esque in terms of her. of her

8:00

big hair and her thigh-high boots and stuff

8:02

like this. Anyway, in episode one, she wants

8:04

to be an air stewardess, but she isn't

8:06

tall enough, so she gets a leg lengthening

8:08

operation. You just have to go with it,

8:10

let it roll over you, because it's surreal

8:12

and funny and just very

8:14

in keeping with the character.

8:16

Diane Morgan is also great,

8:19

but also your mate James

8:21

Paul Ruddy from Motherland, her

8:23

co-star, has a cameo and it's

8:25

really good. Yeah, and another thing that you'll love

8:27

about this is the first episode was, I think,

8:29

15 minutes long. I do

8:32

approve of that run, so Paul Ruddy, in one of the

8:34

shows, will be reviewing on next week's episode. Stay

8:37

tuned for that one. Okay, interesting.

8:39

So this, I must admit, this is when you

8:41

said Mandy, I kept thinking about the Cheddar Goblin

8:44

from the Nick Cage film of the same name.

8:46

But no, I've never seen

8:48

this. I do like Diane Morgan a lot.

8:50

I do feel this might not be for

8:52

me. You would deploy the S-word

8:54

and we'd have to fall out. Okay, fair enough. Let's

8:56

not. Yeah. I

9:00

think we did reveal that, didn't we? I have

9:02

no recollection of it. No, I think we did. Well,

9:04

when I've been here, we've done Filomena Cunk. Yes,

9:06

we've definitely, we did Cunk on that. Yeah, we

9:08

did Cunk. Yeah. Yeah, we did Cunk. And we've done Motherland's form.

9:10

It's when James was painting his ceiling and everyone was outraged. That's

9:12

it, and everyone was furious with me. That's the one. Boy,

9:16

before we go back to you after your brief love

9:18

rat interlude, I'm assuming there have been other things this

9:20

week, but I've watched quite a bit this week, quite

9:23

a few different things. So I've begun to tap

9:25

back into one day. So I watched

9:27

another episode of that episode. It was the

9:29

fifth episode, which yeah, I enjoyed it. I

9:31

mean, it was a downer. It was not,

9:34

it was not, it's largely him being depressed

9:36

and become modest. Is it when he's on the train station? Yes,

9:39

that's one. Oh, such a good scene. I mean, it's

9:41

a good episode, but it, yeah, it's not happy happy

9:43

joy joy as I watched it at like 11 o'clock

9:45

last night. So that was fun.

9:47

I've watched a few more episodes of Extraordinary Season

9:49

2, which again, I'm also enjoying. So it's giving

9:52

me the loll I

9:54

saw the final two episodes of Shogun.

9:56

Hooray! Obviously I'm not gonna spoil that

9:58

for anyone. So that's, I'm. I'm just gonna leave

10:00

that there, subtitles or

10:02

no. And finally, I

10:04

got back into Halo. So I've been

10:07

cracking on with Halo season two, have

10:09

to say massively enjoying it. Really, really

10:11

like it. It's darker, it's not here.

10:13

It's more complex than season one. It

10:16

really feels, it's funny because obviously it's based on the

10:19

games. You'd think it would be quite light. Obviously we're

10:21

going to be tackling that genre a little bit later

10:23

on in this show. But actually I love what they've

10:25

done with the mythology deepening it, broadening it, bringing in

10:27

all sorts of different characters, making it very much about

10:30

John the man as opposed to Master Chief of

10:32

Spartan. And it gives, it scratches my sci-fi itch.

10:34

So if you haven't been watching Halo, give it

10:36

a go because it's a lot of fun. Hail

10:38

to the chief, baby. Oh, I haven't watched that

10:40

much actually. I haven't had time other than the

10:42

love rat, to be honest. That's

10:44

to be fair, that was quite an undertaking. You had a cool episode to

10:46

watch, didn't you? That was a huge undertaking. Yeah,

10:49

yeah, massive. I mean, I had watched Kirby

10:51

enthusiasm episodes again. Like

10:54

as they're going out, I'm watching them again, like for

10:56

the third time. So

10:59

we're up to last week, the Gettysburg Address,

11:01

which was the episode where Larry tries

11:03

to learn Abraham Lincoln's

11:05

Gettysburg Address while

11:08

peeing. For what reason? Just

11:10

because he

11:13

thinks that it's time, he thinks basically going to

11:15

the bathroom going to the bathroom and peeing is

11:17

a wasting your time. So while he's doing that,

11:19

he wants to do something constructive. So he learns,

11:21

he puts the Gettysburg Address up on his bathroom

11:23

wall and learns it while peeing, basically. Giving him

11:26

constructive things to do, yeah, rather than wasting time.

11:28

And then there's a brilliant storyline of

11:32

Susie having a big billboard

11:34

for her cafftand business. Someone

11:36

spray paints penis and balls on it,

11:39

basically. And that goes- Is it Larry?

11:41

It's not Larry, no, it's not Larry. But

11:43

that gets brilliantly out of hand. And Larry goes

11:45

on a date with Sienna Miller. Sienna Miller's involvement

11:47

in this is brilliant. She plays

11:50

a real, she plays herself, but with

11:52

some amazing like obsession

11:54

with fresh fruit. That's what I'll

11:56

say. That's what I'll say. Let's

11:58

just see where Larry rescues us. shot with a pair

12:00

with the arrival of a pair. So

12:03

yeah, I'm just in loving though. It's only but

12:05

I should work was gonna say was so as

12:07

this goes on Monday, the seventh episode of the

12:10

series will air the dream scheme, which is brilliant

12:12

as well of golf club and six in that

12:14

episode. And there's only three more to go. Three

12:17

more episodes of herb to go listeners

12:19

and no one's been gnarly the finale

12:21

is completely been under wraps. So

12:24

everyone I'm going to be absolutely fascinated on

12:26

April the seventh with what the fuck is

12:28

going to happen into the finale. We know

12:30

the title of it, which is no lessons

12:32

learned, which is very much the you

12:34

know, the kind of moral

12:37

or the very much the theme of Seinfeld back

12:39

in the day. And of course, Kurt, no lessons

12:42

learned, no hugging, show

12:45

about nothing, all of that, etc. Okay,

12:47

thank you, boy. Shall we move

12:49

on to this week's listener question? Okay, you apparently shared

12:51

this with us earlier, I have no recollection of it.

12:53

So let's just jump in and pretend you did but

12:56

in reality, you didn't. What

13:01

is this week's pre shared question?

13:04

Right, okay. First of all, you rat I

13:06

did. And it can it

13:08

because we just we saw I sent a bunch

13:11

over for pilot plus and this was amongst them

13:13

and it's from Beth Cave, who says DK, the

13:15

baking champion, TVs Boyd Hilton and

13:17

James the nerd Emperor. I don't

13:19

recognize Chris's demotion. Love listening

13:22

to the pod on the way to my

13:24

hospital placement. A question, what are the TV

13:26

shows within TV shows you think should and

13:28

shouldn't be adapted? How to throw back to

13:30

the Nickelodeon show sunny with the chance that

13:32

adapted the show they were acting in within

13:34

the show called so random following Debbie Lovato's

13:36

exit. Oh, yeah, that quote

13:38

that requires some thought. No, I've

13:40

got I've got I've got an answer. I've got

13:42

one. I think I've got one. So the one

13:44

that I'm following on from what I've just been

13:47

talking about, of course, in in curb that

13:49

last season was revolved around him

13:51

trying to make young Larry, which

13:53

was the show about him as

13:55

a kid, him growing up. And

13:58

that is definitely a show. I

14:00

need to see. So I'd love to

14:02

love it if he suddenly, you know, Larry, mostly if

14:04

he announced at the end of this series, I'm going

14:06

to now actually make young Larry stories

14:09

from my childhood. That would be

14:11

fantastic. But when he was like a teen,

14:13

young Larry's up teenager slash yeah, late

14:15

teens, early 20s. That's when he sat in the show. So

14:17

that whole idea of a show series

14:20

about Larry David's youth will be

14:22

fantastic. And the one not to see

14:24

that struck me is you remember extras,

14:26

Ricky Gervais, Ricky Gervais, Steve Gervais, he

14:28

rolled around him, the character

14:30

being in a terrible sitcom when the wind

14:32

blows, the main character. Yeah, it was like a

14:35

it was like a kind of

14:37

spoof of terrible basic studio

14:39

set sitcoms with canned laughter,

14:42

and catchphrases. And

14:44

I'm trying to always catchphrase what that

14:47

Mrs. Brown's boys. Yeah, basically. Yeah, basically.

14:49

Yeah, exactly. Now,

14:51

it's really annoying me. I can't remember what's catchphrase was. I'm gonna have to

14:53

look it up. So you did. Yeah, I was trying to think of an

14:57

answer. And I think actually, if I if I was

14:59

like, I don't know, teenager, I would

15:01

quite like are you having a laugh? Oh,

15:03

sorry. Are you having a laugh? Was the catchphrase

15:05

in when the whistle blows

15:14

in extras? Yeah. And if you say it, are

15:16

you having a laugh like that? And they're coming

15:18

like, no, no, but yeah, carry on.

15:21

Sorry. Are you sure you're done now?

15:23

Yeah. Right. Yeah,

15:25

so if it was back in the day, as

15:27

a teenager, I would have liked to see

15:29

an adaptation of the valley from the OC.

15:32

Yes, I remember that. Yeah, some

15:34

in particular, absolutely upset for that.

15:37

So I think that would have been cool. Who was in the valley? That's the

15:39

question. Good

15:42

question. No, I can't remember. From here,

15:44

Kay, you've not you've not done due

15:46

diligence and just gone and not taken

15:48

a steeper, giving us a full breakdown

15:50

synopsis, cast everything. I know. Do you

15:52

know what, even even though I've been so remiss,

15:54

yet I did actually think of an answer and

15:56

preparing advance, unlike some of us. I mean,

15:58

that is fair. That is fair. So

16:01

what's your answer that you've basically googled? Something that

16:03

actually did jump into my mind is so we

16:05

were thinking about what shows we were going to

16:07

tackle in From the Vault on Pilot Plus and

16:09

we've been soliciting some suggestions from listeners. And

16:11

one of the ones that came up was Oz, which was

16:13

one of the first HBO peak TV shows. And

16:16

there was a show in Oz called Miss

16:18

Sally's Schoolyard, which is like a little comedy

16:21

series meant for children. But they

16:23

watch it in Oz, in

16:25

Oswald State Correctional Facility, mainly

16:27

because it's presented by a nurse wearing a

16:29

tight uniform. That's clearly why the inmates like

16:31

it. But that's the thing in there. But I

16:33

suppose one more on the subject of tight uniforms. Do you remember

16:36

30 Rocks? Idea for a

16:38

show, Mille Filand, which 100% sounds like a

16:40

cyber show you guys would watch. Yes. Oh,

16:42

there were so many in 30 Rocks. Yeah, that's a brilliant, that's a good

16:45

call. Yeah. I mean,

16:47

Monkey Tennis. Monkey Tennis. Monkey Tennis, yeah.

16:50

Hosteling with Chris Eubank. We're

16:53

Helen O'Hara here. She

16:56

would obviously give a vote for Ghost

16:58

Faces, which is the supernatural show within

17:00

supernatural. Oh, yeah. Which

17:03

it all gets a little bit, a little bit navel-gazy.

17:05

But one thing I wanted to mention, which is a

17:07

slightly weird one, which is, do you remember the

17:10

soap opera in Twin Peaks?

17:14

Oh, yeah. Which I believe, and I say I believe

17:16

I've actually had to look up what it was called,

17:18

because I can remember it was called Invitation to Love.

17:21

And it was this really weird surreal soap opera

17:23

that kind of played, you can see it playing

17:25

on loads of the TV sets during the show.

17:28

And I guess it was like, it was supposed

17:30

to offer some kind of satirical commentary on everything

17:32

that was happening while obviously lightening the tone slightly.

17:34

But it was, it always struck me as just

17:36

deeply, deeply strange. Yeah. It was

17:38

like the version of As the World Turns, one

17:41

of those proper American daytime soaps. Exactly that. Or

17:43

like Days of Our Lives. Oh, and while we're on

17:45

it, we should say, the Days of Our Lives that

17:48

exist within the Friends universe is the only version of

17:50

Days of Our Lives I would ever be prepared to

17:52

watch. Oh, cool. I

17:55

need Dr. Drake Romore with

17:57

his brain trans-nautic intersis, or

17:59

other... It's Susan Sarandon's brain transplanted

18:01

into the body of Drake Remore who'd been

18:03

in a coma for years having fallen down

18:05

a lift shaft I mean this stuff is

18:08

gold Love it. Well,

18:10

I think we've successfully answered that question If

18:18

you would like to have your question addressed on

18:20

this particular podcast do send them in we are

18:23

at pilot TV pod on Instagram We are at

18:25

pilot TV pod on Twitter and K is at

18:27

Cara Barrow But only on Twitter because hackers control

18:29

her Instagram account and if you send them

18:31

the questions Let me frankly they might have good answers You give it

18:33

a go send them in see what they come up with in the

18:35

show with us That'd be a that'd be handy time

18:38

now for this week's guest and will

18:40

be Masaku Joins us on the podcast

18:42

this week here to promote passenger which

18:44

arrives on ITV one and ITV X

18:47

though Not until next week and

18:49

this one is actually a series created by

18:51

Andrew Buck and this stars will me as

18:54

former Met police detective Rhea a junua who

18:56

moved to the fictional northern town of Chadder

18:58

Vale there she's investigating a missing person But

19:01

what starts as a relatively simple investigation soon

19:03

becomes a lot more complicated as she starts

19:05

to understand that not everything in Chadder Vale

19:07

is quite as it seems and

19:09

lots of inexplicable things start happening Anyway,

19:11

I spent just before Christmas about this

19:14

but this one has to say lands on ITV

19:16

next week So this is me talking to Wumi

19:18

Masaku But when we welcome to the pilot TV

19:21

podcast to talk about passenger Before

19:23

we get into all things passenger though. I did want

19:25

to say before we begin that The

19:28

Loki season 2 finale is

19:30

extraordinary Really

19:32

really great. Were you surprised with where that

19:34

show ended up? Yes Yeah,

19:39

it was reading it was

19:41

kind of like mind boggling

19:43

first of all, I was got very confused and Shooting

19:47

it was even more confusing and then

19:49

I was like, oh, this is brilliant. This

19:51

is great Who knew who

19:53

knew indeed? Yeah, it's really did stick the landing

19:55

which is a difficult thing to do a show

19:58

like that. But But

20:00

lovely stuff. But look, obviously very

20:02

different from from passenger and kind

20:04

of what I was going to ask with this is

20:06

slightly to kind of northern obviously as a northern police

20:09

drama. I was going to say this

20:11

is a much more grounded series than, you know, things like

20:13

Loki. And that was, of course, before I watched it. But

20:16

it is far more than it seems on the

20:18

surface. And it also has a very subtle kind

20:20

of dark threads of humor all the way through

20:22

it, which I very much enjoyed. And I was

20:24

kind of curious about how much of that came

20:26

through in the script. Oh,

20:28

yeah, the script. I mean,

20:31

if it wasn't for Andy

20:33

Bookin's incredible like, dinghy

20:35

dialogue and writing style

20:37

and the world he

20:39

built, like, I mean, you just, it

20:43

could, everyone

20:45

wants to be a part of everyone wanted to be a part

20:47

of it because it was just so different and

20:51

unique and

20:53

grounded and also elevated. Like,

20:56

it has this like super,

20:58

like, you feel like

21:01

you know everyone and you know

21:03

these people from your

21:05

hometown. And you can

21:07

see how you fit into it into this

21:10

world. And then it's kind

21:12

of elevated to this unnatural level. This

21:14

not supernatural, but it's unnatural. It has

21:16

this unease that

21:18

makes you just want

21:21

to keep reading. Like, I'm dyslexic and reading is

21:23

not my favorite thing to do. And I have

21:25

to do it every single day for work. But

21:27

this was so easy to read

21:29

and so exciting. And I

21:31

just wanted to know what happened next. I just need

21:34

to know. Yeah. Keep

21:36

going. How do you, how do you, did you know

21:38

Andrew before doing this? Because obviously he's more

21:40

famous in front of the camera than, you know,

21:42

at the keyboard. Yeah. Yeah. He and I

21:44

went to drama school together. He was my third

21:46

year when I was first year. Did you? Yeah.

21:49

So, I mean, it's really funny because we have already,

21:51

the Rada community is quite a small community, like

21:54

even with Loki, it's me, me, Kam

21:57

and Gugu all were at Rada. exact

22:00

same time but you know

22:02

one of us was always there, one of us was

22:04

together and then we've

22:06

got you know Lee

22:08

and Nicole

22:11

are directors, they were also Rada grads

22:13

as well. So yeah I knew Andy

22:15

before and he and I hadn't seen

22:17

each other in a very long time

22:19

and I think it was 2016, I

22:22

think it was 2016 he

22:26

and I met at

22:29

sister picture our production

22:31

company and he was like

22:33

I've been writing something and now I think I

22:36

might have been writing this for you without realizing it can

22:39

I send it to you and so I read

22:42

it in the early days like

22:44

this is really like Andy you have

22:46

such a talent like he

22:48

is a very very brilliant

22:51

writer and so

22:53

then reading the following

22:56

draft this

22:58

is great I'm so

23:00

in. Good job you liked it all that could have been awkward. Just

23:05

to be clear like so Andy wasn't the guy you

23:07

punched in the face at Rada right because I remember

23:09

reading a story that you'd actually punched a sparring partner

23:12

in the face while rehearsing. No

23:15

that was that was my BFF

23:17

still Alex Fanny Tekken he has

23:19

forgiven me since but he won't

23:21

do a fight scene with me

23:23

ever again and yeah

23:26

I learned my lesson there

23:28

because I've never made that

23:30

mistake again have

23:33

I? Well I noticed that even though there is

23:35

a an allusion to boxing in the first episode

23:37

of this you don't actually see you box so

23:39

conceivably your co-stars were just too afraid to get

23:41

in the ring with you so. I

23:44

think so I think that was they were like

23:46

you know I've heard about this one no thank

23:48

you. I

23:51

mean you talk about the script I mean what I really

23:53

liked about this was It's very

23:55

judicious in the information and it kind of gives you

23:57

both in what has happened to the various characters that

23:59

I've. Their backstories but also kind of on

24:01

what's going on in the kind of shows

24:03

have less mundane aspects of the story, but

24:05

you really pieces hours or something like the

24:08

inner is that something that appeals to that

24:10

kind of mystery box storytelling was up All

24:12

the appeal of this story. Yeah.

24:14

Definitely I felt like spell intelligent

24:17

because he didn't give you every

24:19

chains and you know, even all

24:21

the way through Tell at third

24:23

think it's still a minute to

24:26

in that chair. Against.

24:28

B C Sit and eat. It has to

24:30

be patient enough care and. Yet

24:33

the I think also you know

24:35

and such is life like nothing.

24:38

Insist on a good mentor like

24:40

straightforward and I liked that about

24:43

and the style and I feel

24:45

like eating even though it's kind

24:47

of seized all it's dell

24:49

old are very economical like you

24:52

don't Everything a character. Whether.

24:54

It's a person. Or. Even

24:57

ah, an object or

24:59

and. Ah at

25:01

a place. Everything's

25:03

habits. You are hundred.

25:06

And and has a.

25:08

A story. Within the

25:11

story is I mean.

25:13

Really com as he stressed. And not

25:15

because every single thing that

25:17

is mentioned. As.

25:21

A great care and storing and

25:23

as and or has he used.

25:25

In, In, In In passenger.

25:28

And. That like

25:30

it, nothing ever really feel completely

25:32

resolved because until it. Until.

25:36

It's resolve to be kid. We.

25:39

Need to know why that person was

25:42

in Athena. Why that thing that said

25:44

like that thing have been looked for?

25:46

Will you know that that. I.

25:48

Didn't I was? everything. Everything has

25:51

a meaning. what i feel like

25:53

with the sound like a suicide you've walked in in

25:55

the middle of a conversation right like it feels like

25:57

ordering parts of have the sense that they had a

26:00

life before we as the viewer join them. And

26:02

I think with a lot of shows, they're not necessarily

26:04

singling out American shows in particular, but there's a sense

26:06

that they try and crowbar all the exposition for the

26:08

characters into the scenes where you meet them. And

26:11

I like the fact that with this, it doesn't do that. It's like, we'll

26:13

give you what you need to know, and we'll just allude to all this

26:15

other stuff that's going on. And if you pick it up, that's fine. And

26:17

if not, then, you know, you do you. Yeah.

26:20

I like that too. Yeah. It's

26:23

clever. It's clever writing. It is clever. And

26:25

like Ria's a really interesting character as well. She's, she

26:28

moved to this kind of small Northern village, what is

26:30

it, five years ago, you know, and

26:32

she's found herself kind of half cop half carer kind

26:34

of in a way. And she seems

26:36

to have this kind of, um, like

26:38

a hunger for something, like something to engage her, kind of

26:40

bring her back to life. Cause she's got into this kind

26:42

of rut. Like, do you think that's kind of a fair

26:46

depiction of how she is when we meet her? Yeah.

26:49

I think I always

26:51

think of Ria from the moment I read

26:53

her. And I was

26:55

like, Oh, she reminds me of, um, Marsha

26:59

in Three Sisters. And you know, she

27:01

said, I'm in mourning for my life.

27:03

And then, but she doesn't have the, the, the

27:06

bravery to kind

27:10

of go for Moscow, you know, like

27:12

leave. She's happy

27:14

being a big fish in a small pond.

27:16

I think it kind of gives her a

27:19

sense of like importance and

27:21

usefulness and, um, where she

27:23

feels like she's actually

27:26

underachieving and, um,

27:28

have, isn't living her best

27:31

life. And so this

27:33

feeling of being a little bit important

27:35

and needed and soothes life

27:37

and, um, in the police station,

27:39

um, and with the individual relationship

27:42

she's had, she has with other

27:44

characters in the show, like Jim.

27:47

And it makes, gives her a sense

27:49

of like purpose, even though she knows

27:51

she's not actually living her purpose. And

27:55

then she's trying to make purpose. She

27:57

can't sit still. And She's

27:59

got this. Right gration and her

28:01

where she by forcing herself. To

28:04

see if they'll even though she knows

28:06

she ship. Move and

28:08

do from Spain and. That

28:10

they something? figure? That

28:13

kind of template hydration. how

28:15

to translate into other parts

28:17

of have very light in

28:19

Chadha. It's just. An

28:21

it. Too small, You.

28:25

For her. And. She'll see has a

28:27

lot of baggage with her like we see hints

28:29

even early on that that streamer in her past

28:31

that she still kind of processing some obscure said

28:33

you did you in an added disgusts you

28:35

know.com stuff like who she is what makes her

28:38

take keynotes? You'd like to get that kind of

28:40

guidance from Reuters. Would you prefer to bring a

28:42

modest of the table yourself. And we

28:44

had two weeks of a hassle before

28:47

we started forming that we had the

28:49

com the patients that we were just

28:51

kind of filling. The Backstory:

28:53

coloring heritage and in

28:56

detail. And a lot

28:58

of that stuff won't cut it.

29:00

Does it get mentioned? it doesn't?

29:03

It's not refer to like, it's

29:05

just. It was just. Kind

29:07

of create ads. To. Make

29:09

sure that we have with. Full

29:12

and from he thinks the and.

29:14

Media that with all about how to

29:16

be on it's way I'm so grateful

29:19

for that. Were half of the Israeli

29:21

rare and. Yes, The and he

29:23

was there and my to try to figure out why

29:25

light. Y. Se

29:27

still here. Why? Why Why she

29:29

afraid of why oh why is

29:31

she afraid to. Can. Leave.

29:35

And what? Why is she

29:37

staggered listening for her atkinson

29:39

mom like am when she's

29:42

clearly not. The

29:44

happier seeing rare

29:46

and. And then.

29:49

When. You find offensive line. Everything

29:52

else. kind of like. Like

29:54

falls into place quite. Sent. Me:

29:57

An. Ad.

30:00

Yeah, and so

30:02

yeah, Andy and I spent time kind

30:05

of just talking it through. Yeah, his ideas,

30:07

my ideas and and

30:10

then with them whether it was

30:12

with David or Ariane

30:15

or Barry

30:17

we'd figure out like we

30:19

just talked through our backstory and and

30:24

why we yeah, because it feels like

30:26

you enter mid conversation like

30:30

you do every show you do you kind

30:32

of enter mid Someone's life.

30:35

They had a whole life before the cameras started

30:37

rolling The differences

30:39

and I think it's exactly what you talked about

30:41

with rehearsals It's the iceberg below the surface of

30:43

the water, isn't it? But if you don't have

30:45

that I sometimes think you join people mid-story But

30:47

it's hard to imagine their life before you join

30:49

them Where's here you really do feel like you've

30:51

just walked into a room and stuff's been going

30:53

on Yeah, yeah, and I

30:55

love the little great like the little moments

30:57

like and especially the little British grace notes

30:59

But I love the fact that you know

31:02

Rhea walks into a crime scene She's outside

31:04

it's cold and she just takes a bite

31:06

of a custard cream and that's just the

31:08

most English thing I've ever seen but did

31:10

you get to choose the type of biscuit

31:12

and did she just feel like a custard

31:14

cream kind of girl? Well,

31:16

that was a big old conversation

31:18

because it was written as a

31:20

custard cream But I thought I

31:22

would have a choice on the

31:24

day, but props just had a

31:26

thousand custard creams Thankfully, I

31:28

do like custard creams, but I would

31:30

have preferred a bourbon. You know, I'll

31:33

say bourbon That's a controversial choice. I don't think

31:35

like did you fill up like a fruit shortcake?

31:38

Possibly I don't know a chocolate

31:41

hub nub Yeah, but I just don't think

31:43

a chocolate hub nub means as they don't

31:45

come in this little traveling packages Yeah, that

31:47

is true. I wasn't gonna work. You need

31:50

something that's in her pocket all the time I love

31:52

the ones you know from hotel rooms. I know exactly the

31:54

one exactly As

31:57

well as custard creams there is a point of this

31:59

where Rhea has a birthday And it is mentioned,

32:01

though we do not see it, that she

32:03

apparently murdered a Justin Bieber song in a

32:05

good way. Now, is there any

32:08

chance that is on the cutting room floor, or

32:10

will you just spare that whole indignity completely? Thankfully

32:13

spare it. Yeah, because I don't know any

32:15

of the songs. You're not a believer. I'm

32:18

not a believer. No, I'm not.

32:21

Are you a karaoke person? Do you indulge?

32:25

It's so funny. I love singing. I love

32:27

singing. And this is where I think the

32:29

difference between like a singer and an actor

32:31

is, because like as soon as like I

32:33

get up there to sing, I get really

32:35

nervous. And like

32:37

I can sing in a booth like and

32:39

record like for a show, but

32:41

when it comes to singing in public, I

32:43

get really nervous. And my voice comes out

32:45

like a whisper. Like,

32:48

it's so funny. Oh, OK. So no,

32:51

no, there's going to be no rap karaoke for any

32:53

of your projects in the future. Fair enough. Fair enough.

32:56

I can understand that. One

32:58

thing I did want to say is like, rear

33:00

drives, what can only be described as a classic

33:02

in inverted commas, sort

33:04

of 90s era Volvo, which is a

33:07

great choice of car, but be very

33:09

reminiscent of Luther's ride, which

33:11

felt like a kind of a nice parallel there. I

33:14

did love your arc in Luther series five.

33:16

Like, Halliday's death still sits me as one

33:18

of the most shocking moments, which comes absolutely

33:20

out of nowhere. What was that? Me too.

33:24

Like being on Luther? Yeah. It

33:27

was great. But when I read that in the script, I

33:29

was like, whoa, that was cold. Like,

33:32

on. Like, I'm like, and there's no slow

33:34

death that went with a bullet to the

33:36

head. Like, no. No. Bang.

33:39

Bang. And that was

33:41

great. Again, a really fun

33:44

shoot. You know, I

33:46

really I love working in the U.S.

33:48

because I just feel like everyone is

33:50

so hands on like,

33:52

you know, everyone like, let's,

33:55

you know, I don't know, there's

33:57

always a camaraderie and even. with

34:00

your lead being the

34:03

Idris Alba, there is

34:05

such warmth and

34:07

humility and, you know,

34:10

down to earthness that we have when

34:12

we work in the UK, I find

34:15

that, yeah, like everyone was

34:17

like, what's the Idris like? I'm like,

34:19

grand, he's great. He's dead

34:21

nice. Like, my producer and

34:24

my co- the star,

34:26

you would never know. Like, just steady. Welcome

34:28

you to the set, you know, knock on

34:31

your door before you come in to get

34:33

rid of your nerves because you're like,

34:35

and he's just like,

34:37

it was just lovely. Yeah,

34:39

the whole team, Jamie, our director, I

34:43

had a great time. I love that job. Yeah. I

34:45

mean, obviously Idris is another graduate of

34:47

the David Simon School. David

34:50

Simon has an eye for putting

34:52

great Brits in very American roles.

34:55

Yeah, he does love that, doesn't he? He

34:57

does, he does very much. I mean, as

34:59

you were saying, like, it's, do you feel

35:02

completely at home doing those kind of roles?

35:04

Or is there something always just quite nice

35:06

about going back to a very British project

35:08

that, you know, they may not have the catering, but

35:10

they have the custard creams? They

35:13

definitely don't have the catering. That's

35:15

the one thing I would switch

35:17

and maybe the weather. Yeah,

35:22

I love working back in the UK.

35:24

I really do. I think I always

35:26

will find the working in America is

35:28

quite the intimidating. The accent work is

35:30

intimidating because you just don't want to

35:32

be that person who gets go. That's

35:34

a terrible accent. You just don't want

35:36

that. So the nerves never leave me.

35:38

On a five month job, the nerves

35:40

will never leave me. Whereas

35:42

in like on passenger, I felt like,

35:44

I mean, I was still nervous a lot

35:47

because it was my first time leading a

35:49

TV show. And those nerves,

35:51

I mean, okay, did they go? Did they

35:55

completely go? No, they didn't completely go,

35:58

but there was an ease. Because

36:00

there's just such a familiarity with

36:03

our familiarity with the

36:07

cast, with the crew, just really easy

36:11

just to fit back in. And

36:14

there's not the big

36:16

status, the different differences,

36:20

like massive Winnebago's and tiny

36:24

little pin-cats which you get in America,

36:26

where everyone's kind of on the same

36:28

level like it doesn't matter if you're

36:30

the lead or you come in as

36:32

a day player, we're all on

36:35

the same level and we're treated the same, which

36:37

I really like and

36:39

appreciate because those American

36:41

sets can feel really intimidating when you come in

36:43

for a few days or like you just feel

36:46

like you like I feel

36:48

like I'm gonna get it wrong because

36:50

my nerves are just so high because

36:52

it just feels very pressurized sometimes, you know?

36:56

And it

36:58

all just feels so big over

37:00

here in America. I live

37:02

in America. I know, I know

37:05

exactly what you mean. To be fair, your

37:07

We Own The City accent was flawless to

37:09

my English ears. Right, to

37:11

your English ears. Who knows what some of them

37:13

have felt but I thought it sounded great. And

37:15

we always have the fact that I think English

37:17

people find American accents a lot easier than Americans

37:19

find English accents because so few of them can

37:22

pull it off. Well,

37:24

it's interesting. My husband always says, and

37:28

not in a great way, but America

37:30

has won in the kind of dominance

37:32

of like globally, like when you hear

37:34

people in Asia or

37:37

Africa speaking English, sometimes they

37:39

have an American trang. Like

37:41

it's just, it's so the

37:43

dominant culture, even, you

37:46

know, considering British TV is, you

37:49

know, renowned and loved,

37:51

well-loved globally, we

37:54

still hear American accents every

37:56

single day on

37:58

our British TV. So, and

38:01

they don't have that over here.

38:03

Like, it's just not the same.

38:05

Like, unless you search out, like,

38:07

a British streamer, like, you're not

38:09

going to hear a British accent.

38:12

That's true. That's very true. I guess they're not as immersed

38:14

in it. But they do love it. So, you know. They

38:17

do. They do love it. Yeah, well, thank

38:19

you so much. It has been lovely to

38:21

speak to you. You too. That was me

38:23

talking to Wimi Masaku. Shall we move on to

38:26

news? What's been happening in the world of news,

38:28

Boydy? Well, I think we all went to

38:30

the event last night. I

38:32

was recording this Friday morning the

38:34

Netflix, next on Netflix event, which

38:36

is a lavish, a

38:38

lavish array of

38:41

unvalings of Netflix projects coming up.

38:44

Trailers, clips from products that we already

38:47

know about, announcements of new projects. But

38:50

the talent popped up. Benedict

38:52

Cumberbatch was there, which is

38:54

the most exciting guest appearance for me, talking about

38:57

his new series, which is written by Abby Morgan

38:59

and Abby Morgan was there as well. And

39:02

I thought that looked really interesting, I have to say,

39:04

live all of the things that

39:06

coming fairly soon. It's called Eric. Thank

39:09

you. It's called Eric. Yes.

39:11

And Eric is the name of not Benedict

39:13

Cumberbatch's character, nor his son who disappears. And

39:15

the story revolves to some extent around Benedict

39:18

Cumberbatch's son disappearing and wanting to find him

39:20

a texture. But

39:23

the giant puppet that

39:25

is key to the whole

39:27

show and essentially follows Benedict

39:29

Cumberbatch's character. Benedict Cumberbatch

39:31

is like, it's kind of like a children's

39:34

TV presenter slash puppeteer in

39:36

New York in the 80s. So it's said in

39:38

New York in the 80s, he's playing like a

39:41

TV star. It's got a thriller element about his

39:43

kid disappearing and

39:45

wanting to find him. It's a fantastical element

39:47

with this overgrown purple

39:51

puppet thing, following him around everywhere. It

39:54

looks absolutely right up my alley, I have

39:57

to say. And Abby Morgan

39:59

was talking about how to touch his bow. lots of different

40:01

ideas and themes. The

40:03

AIDS epidemic is mentioned in

40:05

their racism because the

40:07

main cop in it is a black cop in

40:09

New York in the 80s. So the whole thing,

40:11

anyway, it looked fantastic to me. I'm very excited

40:14

about it. And the second most exciting thing, I

40:16

think, for me was the clip of Black Doves,

40:18

which of course is created and written by a friend

40:20

of the pod, Joe Barton of

40:23

Giri Haji, the Lazarus Project

40:25

shame. And this is the

40:27

spy thriller starring the absolutely

40:29

unbeatable cast of Ben Whishaw, Sarah

40:32

Lancashire and Keira Knightley. And what particularly

40:34

I was interested in was seeing Ben

40:36

Whishaw's character, who's this like seemingly like

40:38

this professional killer. And of course, Ben

40:40

Whishaw in real life is the most

40:42

gentle, almost like slight

40:44

figure. I happened to have met him many

40:46

times and hosted the old thing with him back

40:49

in the day. And he's such a lovely, sweet

40:52

guy. And the idea of him playing this kind

40:55

of assassin is brilliant, genius casting. It's

40:57

so different from what

40:59

he's usually known for. So

41:02

that looked great. I'm really, really excited

41:04

about that. And

41:06

there was other stuff as well. Yes.

41:10

For example, things are good actually, you picked

41:12

different things than I was going to say.

41:15

I was excited about Joy, which

41:18

is by Jack Thorne and his wife, Rachel

41:20

Mason, they've worked on it together, which

41:22

is a new film and tells

41:24

the true story behind the birth

41:26

of Louise Joy Brown in 1978.

41:30

And she was the first test you baby and

41:32

it and the tireless 10 year journey

41:35

to make it possible. So this is

41:37

told through the perspective perspective of Jean

41:40

Purdie, who was a nurse and embryologist

41:42

who joined forces with scientists

41:45

Robert Edwards and surgeon Patrick

41:47

Steptoe to unlock the

41:49

puzzle of infertility by

41:51

pioneering IVF. And excitingly,

41:54

the cast is James Norton, Bill Nye

41:56

and Thomasin McKenzie. And yeah,

41:59

they were very passionate. passionate about this project because

42:01

they've gone through IVF themselves and they talked

42:03

about that and the importance of

42:06

Jean Purdie being recognised because the other

42:08

two were very much known

42:10

for it but she was sort of

42:13

overlooked somewhat so they felt it was really

42:15

important to tell her story. So I'm looking

42:17

forward to that. We saw a

42:19

clip of Scoop as well which

42:21

was very exciting which is the

42:24

film sort of documenting Prince Andrew's

42:26

infamous BBC News Night appearance and

42:29

charts. The hard work and effort

42:31

of producer Sam McAllister played by

42:34

Billy Piper who was there last

42:36

night talking about the negotiations she

42:38

had to do with Buckingham Palace,

42:40

Sam did, and

42:42

also Emily Maitless's played by Gillian

42:44

Anderson's her jaw-dropping interview. So Gillian

42:46

Anderson wasn't there but we did

42:49

get to hear from Billy Piper

42:51

and Rufusil who plays Prince Andrew

42:53

and also looks quite extraordinary. He's had

42:55

an amazing physical transformation and

42:58

he was very eloquent about the fact that he

43:02

was interested in taking the role but obviously

43:04

was nervous too and once he had taken

43:07

it he was like not having second thoughts

43:09

on it but was like starting to

43:11

feel quite nervous but embraced it. Now I'm going

43:13

to stop talking about films because James is I

43:15

am twisting. It's fine. It's fine. We

43:19

all know the project that James is most excited

43:21

about coming up on Netflix. So go on tell

43:23

me what is it? Love is Blind UK by

43:25

Emma Willis. So Emma Willis and

43:28

who's the other chap? Husband, what's

43:30

his name? That's exactly how I've been. So those two

43:34

who presented this entire thing I was like I

43:36

do not know who these people are at all.

43:39

But let me set

43:41

the context right. So we all sat together in a

43:43

little seat. I was the filling in the sandwich and

43:46

I was just sitting there and James took great pleasure

43:48

in tapping me on the shoulder and going obviously

43:50

I don't know who these people are. I've

43:52

said it quite like that.

43:56

I bet you did. I bet you did. I've planned

43:58

Pompopathy and Glee. And I was like,

44:00

yeah, fine. Anyway, no, it's not

44:02

a great job. Yeah, they were good.

44:05

They were very natural and very, very organic a little bit.

44:07

It was just, yeah. I didn't know where. Although,

44:09

yes, love is blind. So this is what it people

44:11

sit in separate rooms and they just hear each other's

44:13

voice, it's basically like two people in the big brother

44:15

diary room talking to each other and starting if they

44:17

want to go on a day. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

44:20

The description that you are looking for. There we go. And

44:24

the last thing I wanted to mention is missing

44:27

you by Harlan Coburn. There's going to

44:29

be an adaptation of that, which is

44:31

very exciting. And they announced the cast

44:33

list, which includes Rosalind Aliza, Jessica Plummer,

44:35

Richard Armitage, Lenny Henry, Steve Pemberton, Paul

44:38

Kay, Samantha Spiro, Lisa Faulkner and Mary

44:40

Malone. I have to say one

44:42

of the things that, that entertain me a lot about this

44:44

and look fair play to Netflix. Like they were, they, they're

44:46

very big on accessibility. So obviously they had the subtitles on

44:48

and all the clips and the trailers, but they had a

44:50

big screen down the front, which was

44:53

doing AI generated real time

44:55

transcription of everything that was being said.

44:57

Now, if anyone has ever dabbled with

44:59

AI transcription, they'll know that

45:01

the AIs are absolutely deranged when it comes

45:04

to working out what people say. And I

45:06

was chuckling away to myself at some of

45:08

the stuff that was coming up on this

45:10

screen, what in the name of Harlan

45:12

Coburn's name, I really can't even begin to tell you, but

45:15

it was, yeah, it was, it was quite insane. He was

45:17

like, this is gibberish. I

45:19

pity anyone who was relying on that. I love, I

45:22

love that. That's your main take. Yeah, that was it.

45:24

AI generated. Yeah. That's what you most. But to be

45:26

clear, to be clear, I'm good on

45:28

Netflix for having it. I had a big screen facing

45:30

the audience and honestly, I have never seen that before

45:33

at an event. I have a public facing screen. Cause

45:35

initially I thought, Oh, this is weird. The teleprompter is

45:37

facing the public. That's really awkward. And then it became

45:39

very clear. No, that isn't the teleprompter. They were

45:41

just essentially doing, doing captions for the hearing impaired,

45:43

which I just thought, I thought it was a

45:45

lovely thing. It was just, it was unusual. As

45:47

you said, I was quite excited that Rufus Saw

45:50

was there. I do love Rufus Saw and, uh,

45:52

the prosthetics to making that look like Andrew work

45:54

were quite extraordinary. Uh, although, he still sounds like

45:56

Rufus Saw because he wasn't doing like a memory.

45:58

He wasn't trying to mimic the voice. in that

46:00

very precise way and Rufus Hall has quite a distinctive

46:02

way of speaking. Yeah. So I

46:04

found that about, do you know what, I actually

46:06

thought about Gillian Anderson. I thought she looks like

46:08

Emmy Mateless but it was just... Gillian Anderson

46:11

talking, yeah. I think that made the decision not to try and

46:13

mimic the voices. Well, well,

46:15

except I've seen Scoop and

46:17

what I would say is,

46:20

I've thought this watching because I showed the kind

46:22

of extended trailer, didn't I? And

46:25

from that you would have thought that Gillian Anderson

46:27

doesn't do the voice, but when you

46:29

actually watch the whole thing, it feels like she

46:31

does much more. So, yeah, it's difficult to explain,

46:34

yeah, but I think there's something about the way

46:36

they chose those clips, I don't know, but watch

46:38

the whole thing and for me she does absolutely

46:40

kind of change her voice a bit. Certainly in

46:42

terms of intonation and the way, I mean, very

46:45

unique way, Emily Mateless does speak and she totally

46:47

captures that. So, and to a lesser extent, him

46:49

with Prince Andrew, I don't, I remember, I think

46:51

he does change his voice a little bit is

46:53

all I'd say, yeah, more than you might think

46:56

from that trailer is all I'd say. I

46:59

cannot wait for it. I completely

47:01

forgot that they are Gillian Anderson and Rufus

47:03

Hill. I totally was immersed in the fact

47:05

that they are, you know, the real people

47:07

that are playing. Listen, I can't

47:09

wait for it. Can we just quickly agree that

47:11

we will preview it? Yeah, sure. Yeah. We

47:13

will. Furthermore, furthermore, we can

47:16

agree that we're talking with you

47:18

and we'll get our Gillian Anderson

47:20

to the pod. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

47:23

Oh my God. We will see what else is out this week.

47:25

I can fit a film into this TV podcast. Yeah. We

47:28

might be able to do it. Even though James has been Dilly

47:30

Dallying because he's on some fucking tour and hasn't been answering his

47:32

email. It's been, I must admit, that

47:34

is a low point, isn't it? When someone's saying, you

47:36

want to speak to Gillian Anderson and I just don't

47:38

see it because I'm in Sheffield. Yeah. I

47:41

mean, oh my God. Hey, look, I, you know, if you had

47:43

had the experience I had staying in the travel

47:45

lodge in Sheffield City Centre, let me tell you,

47:47

it was kind of spectacular and not in a

47:49

good way. Oh, yeah. So

47:51

what happened in Sheffield? No, no, no. Okay.

47:54

Put it this way. Put it this way.

47:57

We literally left it to go to the Premier

47:59

Inn for breakfast. That should give you exactly

48:01

where we're at. We

48:04

can't deal with this. We're going to the premiere in for breakfast.

48:06

That should do that for premier in. It really is. It's

48:08

like, premier in. Nowhere near as bad as

48:11

Travelodge. Did

48:13

you bring your own plate out of your bag? I mean, I

48:15

should have done. To be fair, I

48:17

cannot comment on all Travelodges. I don't know that I've

48:20

ever stayed in another one. But this particular one in

48:22

Sheffield City Centre has a bar in reception that is

48:24

open till 4 a.m. Now, if you...

48:26

Oh, yes. That's what you want. I'm not going to

48:28

let your imagination do the right thing. I

48:31

want you to imagine what that reception

48:33

was like when me, Chris, and Helen

48:36

walked in, walked in at

48:38

around midnight after the show. Let

48:40

me just put it to you this way. We ended

48:42

that evening. I ended that evening sitting in my room

48:44

in the Travelodge, Sheffield City Centre alone, eating a McDonald's.

48:48

That's how that night ended. Oh,

48:50

dear. With your special draw. Oh,

48:53

God. What

48:56

I would say about Travelodges, I've thought this for

48:58

quite a long time because I've seen Travelodges like

49:00

in Edinburgh, for two years, festival... For an expert. I'm

49:03

a bit of an expert. They do vary

49:05

a lot. They vary a lot. Like they

49:07

range from really quite nice to like... That's

49:10

clearly your... Which

49:12

one's the Lenny Henry on? Is it Premier Inn? I

49:16

think so, yeah. I think Lenny's Premier Inn. Well, she's

49:18

probably... I think so, yeah. She

49:20

probably checked. You mentioned Lenny in one

49:22

point. Yeah, we're just shilling for Lenny Henry. Yeah,

49:25

so I'm very, very tired, a little

49:27

bit, you know, like PTSD from having

49:30

stayed at Sheffield Travelodge. How

49:32

many shows you got left, James? We have two more

49:34

shows. As this goes out this week, this Thursday

49:36

night, we're going to be in Dublin. And

49:39

then the following Thursday, we are going to

49:41

be in Salford and Salford Keys. So

49:43

that is the end of it. Right,

49:46

question, question. When you

49:48

head to Dublin, are you

49:50

going to be trying to crack out your Irish accent?

49:52

Or for your own safety, what

49:55

would be worse? Would it be worse for me to crack

49:57

out my donut and leeton? Or to refer to it as...

50:00

when I speak to people who live there. Um...

50:04

I kind of think your accent... I mean,

50:06

what I've said is hateful too. But

50:09

I still think

50:11

the accent may be. Especially if the only thing I can

50:13

say in that accent is just don't all least note, I just

50:15

look like a madman running down the street shouting an act of

50:17

name on the floor. I mean, yeah, there is that. Yeah,

50:20

we will see what happens. Yes, we're playing Dublin and

50:22

I'm quite looking forward to it. I'm not going to

50:24

Dublin in a while. And I'm quite pleased to be

50:27

going back there. Pretty psyched.

50:30

You'll get a warm welcome. Well, either

50:32

that or, you know, not. We'll see. We will see

50:34

what happens. What other news have we had this week?

50:36

There was one thing I very much wanted to talk

50:38

about. And that is that the

50:41

bear, the bear, the bear, the bear will

50:43

air, specifically, they will air Season 3 and

50:45

4 because they've ordered a full season which

50:47

will be shooting back to back with Season

50:49

3. So we're getting much more bear on

50:51

the air. Yeah, yeah.

50:53

That is exciting, yeah. Well,

50:56

Variety said it was like they're secretly filming

50:59

the next Series 4. I'm not sure they finished Season

51:01

3. They issued a press release, it's not a secret.

51:04

In fact, as I was saying, yeah. It's kind

51:06

of not really a secret, yeah. Why are they

51:08

doing that just because of availability? It's

51:11

like slow horses when they just get

51:14

them all in the back. Part of it's a cost issue,

51:16

right? Imagine if they're doing it back to back, it's going

51:18

to be cheaper than sort of doing two separate productions for

51:20

the two seasons. There might be

51:22

sort of like, there might be very specific location reasons why they're

51:24

doing it, or maybe it's just like, let's turn this shit out.

51:26

It's massively popular. Yeah, I

51:29

think when a show's that good, and

51:31

they're absolutely, and obviously now the show's

51:33

become kind of like one of the

51:35

most acclaimed shows of the

51:37

last couple of years, and they know they're going

51:39

to need more of the show. Why

51:42

not commission two more Series at the same time? They

51:45

didn't do it with blue lights, the BBC

51:47

police drama second

51:50

series coming soon, and they've already commissioned Series 3 and

51:52

4 of that because it was so highly acclaimed, and

51:55

such a word of mouth here. I think

51:57

it shows great intelligence on the part of

51:59

the... commissioners that they like, yeah, they've got something

52:01

that good. You commission more episodes of it. So

52:04

that's my feeling on the matter. Good, good.

52:06

More bear is definitely a good thing. You

52:08

know what else is a good thing? You

52:11

remember Snowpiercer, which had over here on Netflix,

52:13

TNT in the US. Now, if memory serves

52:16

the fourth season of that, what I

52:18

think shot, wasn't it? But just never

52:20

aired because they canceled it. And

52:22

so then we never got it to the best of

52:24

my knowledge. I don't know this for a hundred percent

52:27

fat, but I'm pretty certain we never got it on

52:29

Netflix either. But it now has a home. It's going

52:31

to AMC in the US. Again, I don't know quite

52:33

what happens with it here, but it goes

52:35

to, to AMC in the US. So Snowpiercer,

52:37

the Snowpiercer will ride again. Yeah. That is

52:40

good news. Did you watch, did you watch?

52:42

I did not watch the episode. I watched the

52:45

whole of season one. I watched the whole of

52:47

season two. I started season three and then, and

52:49

I apologize to the Snowpiercer fans out there. I

52:51

thought it had got a bit bad. So I

52:53

stopped watching it. But I, yeah, I was

52:55

in the shame when a show that has a following just kind of doesn't

52:58

get aired and especially if they've actually made the

53:00

series, which I'm fairly certain is the fact I'm

53:02

not just making up. Um, is

53:05

it, this is the, this is, you have recollection of this, don't

53:07

you, boy? Yeah. I'm just looking out

53:09

now. Yeah. I do have recollection of that. Um, uh,

53:12

looking this up, it does appear season four was

53:14

finished and ready to broadcast, but it was decided

53:16

it would not air on TNT. So

53:19

it didn't air on TNT. And I'm relatively certain it

53:21

didn't air on Netflix over here as well. So, but

53:23

I'm going to look that up as well, because I'm

53:25

that kind of professional. And I, you know, I feel

53:27

the need to, to be accurate at this stuff. So

53:29

I'm going to fire up my Netflix app right now

53:31

live. And I can exclusively reveal via my

53:34

Netflix app that season four is not on Netflix UK

53:36

either. So no, it never aired anywhere at all ever.

53:38

And it's now going to MC. So no piercers. You

53:40

will get a chance to see the final season of

53:43

this. Should you wish to, would you may not. Any

53:45

other news, boy? There is another weirdly,

53:48

um, there's another Netflix announcement that

53:50

I didn't motion at the Netflix event yesterday. What's

53:52

that? I'm going to go with this series called

53:54

yeah, black rabbit starring with Jason Bateman

53:56

and Jude law. Um,

53:58

yeah. I know

54:00

in the press pack they sent I was just

54:02

reading about on variety this morning And

54:06

that's weird. Yeah, it's got really good. I'd show

54:08

paid to read Susan as well from gangs of

54:10

London It's about the

54:12

owner of a New York City hotspot to play

54:14

by Jude law follows his turbulent brother Jason Bateman

54:17

Allows his turbulent brother back in his life and

54:19

he opens start escalating dangers of threatened to bring

54:21

down everything he's built Yeah,

54:23

that's another Netflix show in addition to

54:25

all the Netflix shows and films and

54:27

they're announced But that's not

54:30

the only one nobody because they also didn't talk

54:32

about untamed Which is the Eric banner series as

54:34

a miniseries It's gonna be on Netflix which

54:36

he's now he's now attached to and he's

54:39

basically he portrays the role of Eric Inman

54:41

And he's a and I quote a special

54:43

agent for the National Park Service who works

54:45

to enforce human law in Nature's

54:47

vast wilderness so correct me if I'm

54:50

wrong, but this strikes me as a

54:52

live-action Reimagining of Yogi bear but from

54:54

the point of view of the park

54:56

ranger so presumably he runs around safe

54:59

guarding picnic baskets from Yogi bear

55:01

and booboo I

55:03

want to see this imagine why they didn't

55:05

feature this as part of the showcase. Yeah,

55:07

that's crazy. That's crazy I

55:10

mean, they think they did go through a lot

55:12

maybe better than didn't they? Yeah, so yeah I

55:15

wanted to mention the Oscars Which

55:18

actually I should have mentioned this in the water we're doing

55:21

film news carry on. Oh, no, you're right. It's on TV

55:23

It's on TV loophole. It's on

55:25

TV inside. We didn't keep them and here's

55:27

the news And here's the this is white

55:29

in news is the ratings went up They

55:33

went up TV news. Yes, this is TV

55:35

news Oscar ratings went up Only

55:38

by 5% but I don't know how much

55:40

but in the day in this is times

55:42

when ratings generally go down and down and

55:45

down And down down until they plateau, you

55:47

know kind of fairly disappoint So

55:49

it did well, but I think obviously go. Yeah,

55:51

I'm not sure how meaningful that is given that

55:53

given that it's on ITV So you didn't need

55:55

to pay to watch it which is kind of

55:57

a big character. Sorry the American writing in America

55:59

So I see, there's also over here two things

56:01

you had for it, where it was much earlier

56:04

than it is normally and it was on ITV.

56:06

So yeah, exactly. Okay, well people watched it in

56:08

the States. That's interesting. Yeah, exactly.

56:10

Yeah. So after recent years,

56:12

when it goes down and down, it went

56:14

up and of course that is mainly due

56:16

to the Oppenheimer-Barbie thing. I think the ratings

56:18

are good for the show generally in America

56:20

when there are films that people have actually

56:22

seen, rather than, you know, kind of some

56:25

art house thing that people like

56:27

us. I've got no, that sounds

56:29

very pompous and ridiculous. The

56:34

ratings were up and I wanted to say that it

56:36

was a brilliant show. It was one of the best

56:38

Oscar shows for years and years and years. It

56:41

had, you know, I thought the

56:43

host was great. I

56:45

thought the, it was just like, they

56:48

really made sure, they really worked really

56:50

hard to make sure that even, you

56:52

know, the technical catch-up careers were interesting.

56:54

So Danny DeVito and Arnold Schwartz, and

56:56

they're coming on together, you know, Michael

56:58

Keaton and the audience responding to them.

57:00

That funny bit with Steven Spielberg. They

57:02

had John Senna naked, you know, genuinely

57:05

absolutely naked holding the Oscars envelope in

57:07

front of his penis. And then,

57:09

you know, kind of a whole brilliantly daring

57:12

bit about that. I'm a 949 boy in

57:14

the morning. You're deploying the word penis far

57:16

too early for Carrie. Sometimes

57:18

it just has to be deployed. Did

57:21

you quite? Sometimes the penis has to

57:23

be deployed. Yeah. And

57:25

Jimmy Kimmel, right towards the end, there's

57:27

a really funny bit where Jimmy Kimmel

57:29

read out a

57:32

message that Donald Trump had written on

57:34

his, you know, whatever his social media thing is

57:37

about, like saying the Oscars was shit

57:39

and that Jimmy Kimmel was a woke comedian. And he

57:41

read it out. And when he was

57:43

reading it out, it was so stupid, this whole,

57:45

this litany of complaints about the Oscars from Donald

57:47

Trump. I thought generally everyone thought it was a

57:49

piss take. Everyone thought it was a joke. Oh,

57:51

so he's making fun of the fact that Donald

57:55

Trump does get embroiled in pop culture

57:57

stuff like this. But no, he

57:59

genuinely did. Donald Trump right and quite

58:01

lengthy screens attacking the Oscars while

58:03

it was on there. So

58:06

it was... Did he end his

58:08

tweet with sad or bad? He did, yeah,

58:10

yeah, he did, yeah, yeah. Magga, sad,

58:12

bad, whatever, yeah. So he was really,

58:14

really good. There's

58:17

another podcast, I mentioned this before, there's a pop

58:19

culture podcast whereby one of the people on it

58:21

who run it every week talks about how there

58:23

were no viral moments on this year's Oscars. Sounds

58:25

like, well, you're watching the same show. I'm just

58:27

Ken. Yeah,

58:29

I haven't even mentioned that. Amazing

58:32

performance of I'm Just

58:34

Ken, yeah, which was absolutely brilliant. So

58:37

yeah, I mean, it was... There were loads

58:39

of great viral moments, it worked really well and

58:41

yeah, they've got to keep that up next year.

58:43

There you go. My Oscar's... Well done,

58:45

boy, you pulled it back from just being the Netflix segment this week, so that's

58:47

good. Yeah, thank you. Thank

58:49

you very much. Okie dokie. Well,

58:52

that was it for this week's news. Let's move

58:54

on now to the reviews and there can only

58:56

be one place to start and it is, of

58:58

course, Three Body Problem, the long awaited Netflix adaptation

59:00

of Cixin Lu's novel of the same name. Only

59:03

with the indefinite article carved off the front. This

59:05

comes to us from, via

59:07

the Game of Thrones show, on social, David Benioff and DB

59:09

Weiss, as well as Alexander Wu. And

59:11

I'm going to be a little bit cagier about the plot

59:14

on this one than either the Netflix

59:16

synopsis or the official Empire review, both of

59:18

which I think give too much away. So

59:20

all I'm going to say is that this

59:22

is about this group of five 20-somethings and

59:24

they all studied physics together at

59:26

Oxford and they get tied up in like

59:28

a mystery that involves the

59:30

mysterious suicides of scientists. It

59:33

also involves some unexplained phenomena

59:36

and frankly what appears to be the rules of physics

59:38

suddenly not working anymore. So,

59:40

ok, right. So what better way to

59:42

address a three body problem than to

59:44

make it a one boydy problem? No.

59:46

Yes. Case of

59:48

excitedness for the hurt. Yeah.

59:52

Yeah. She's a good little dancer and she

59:54

was just, as I was doing that list,

59:56

she was gesticulating wildly like, no, no. Well,

1:00:00

it's a relief that you said no spoilers because

1:00:02

then it makes it even like it's better to explain

1:00:05

because it's quite it's quite a tricky one, right?

1:00:07

Yeah, to not spoil and also

1:00:09

to explain so I'm relieved but boy,

1:00:11

take away. There's a there's a there's a principal

1:00:13

plot point, I think, which has been front loaded

1:00:15

as part of the synopsis, but is not revealed

1:00:17

into a few episodes in and I had a

1:00:19

bit of a back and forth with John Nugent

1:00:22

who reviewed it for us on the Empire because

1:00:24

I wasn't entirely thrilled with it being in our

1:00:26

official synopsis in the magazine. It was too late.

1:00:29

We can't press. We're deciding to leave that out here. Are you

1:00:31

asking me? Yes, I'm out of the news. You are. He

1:00:34

said he talks about it. He said he said, well, you know,

1:00:36

we did mention it in the feature and I said, you know,

1:00:38

that's actually a good point. Like it was it's covered quite heavily

1:00:40

in the feature that we wrote in the magazine. But if

1:00:42

you haven't read the feature and haven't read the Empire review,

1:00:44

then we're not going to spoil it here. Boy,

1:00:46

take it away. Yeah, I think I

1:00:49

know what you're talking about. You're

1:00:51

talking about the fact that this

1:00:53

involves a kind of I'm trying

1:00:55

to go around there. This is for you. You're going

1:00:57

to know I'm not. No, I'm not. No,

1:01:00

because I was thinking about how much I

1:01:02

can say about that thing. But what I'd

1:01:04

say about that is right is that you

1:01:06

know, it's coming quite early on.

1:01:09

Here's the thing. I didn't know it was

1:01:11

coming. Really? So I own all three

1:01:13

of the books, but I haven't read them because I've never got

1:01:15

around to it because I've been put off reading them. And then

1:01:17

we're going to get into this. So we're going to do a

1:01:19

three body problems for the special, which I'm hoping we can record

1:01:21

next week, buddy, just so you know. So

1:01:26

these books are written by Sishen Liu and

1:01:28

he's a Chinese sort of he's an engineer

1:01:30

like he's a scientist. And so the books

1:01:32

are very clinical, very hard sci-fi

1:01:34

in that they are concerned with the hard

1:01:36

sciences, a very physics based, a very factually

1:01:38

accurate. They're quite complex, quite dense. And

1:01:40

they are in the same way that

1:01:42

foundation the Adamov book is, they're

1:01:45

very cold and they're very ideas based and not

1:01:47

character based. So that's quite a that's quite a

1:01:49

difficult point of entry for people. But what I

1:01:51

want to say is kind of what I alluded

1:01:54

to on the podcast last week when I climbed

1:01:56

down from my hard sci-fi position. Technically, it is

1:01:58

still hard sci-fi because it's around. But what I'm

1:02:00

saying is I think what they did

1:02:02

here clearly what Benioff and Weyerson sat down and

1:02:04

said they said, right How can we take this

1:02:06

brilliant idea but make it work on TV in

1:02:08

a very accessible Character-led way and I

1:02:10

think that's how they approach it. I'm just gonna jump

1:02:13

jump in and say it is

1:02:15

accessible. Yeah, it is very much so. I

1:02:17

was because I you know, I made this

1:02:20

point. I was sent these spoiler alert. Okay,

1:02:22

I was sent I

1:02:24

went to a screening of the first two episodes quite

1:02:26

a long time ago and Which

1:02:29

Jason invited It

1:02:37

was apparent very early on that

1:02:39

they I think Netflix wanted to

1:02:41

emphasize to non Hard

1:02:44

sci-fi people who are like James people

1:02:46

who aren't James and his cohort that

1:02:48

it is accessible for normal people The

1:02:50

normies the normies all right. Yeah, and

1:02:52

it absolutely a hundred percent is because

1:02:55

it is character-driven Yeah, so they very

1:02:57

like, you know This is an object

1:02:59

lesson into how to take what sounds

1:03:01

like obviously I haven't gone anywhere near

1:03:04

the the original In

1:03:06

the original stuff. Are they just novels or graphic

1:03:08

novels? They're three novels as well as a trilogy.

1:03:11

I haven't gone anywhere So I but yeah from

1:03:14

so they it's really accessible Absolutely, and it's

1:03:16

partly the way that and the thing but

1:03:18

the thing that we're not talking about the

1:03:20

the the Fundamental underlying thing

1:03:22

that it's kind of a battle

1:03:24

right that I'm avoiding brilliantly I

1:03:27

think it's very clear that that's an element of

1:03:29

it from the early on just from the position

1:03:32

What happens following certain characters where they go what

1:03:34

they end up doing? Where

1:03:36

the jobs they get what the what the

1:03:38

fuck would you think this person's doing apart

1:03:40

from the thing that we're not talking about?

1:03:47

No Anyway,

1:03:50

just to get to the cut this

1:03:53

series begins with a very powerful scene

1:03:56

set during the Chinese Cultural Revolution Where

1:03:59

a Chinese? young Chinese astrophysicist,

1:04:01

Soot sees her father brutally

1:04:03

killed in a kind of act of Mao

1:04:08

Tse-tung driven Chinese

1:04:10

fascistic activity, trying

1:04:13

to destroy people talking about stuff in

1:04:15

public that doesn't go along with the

1:04:17

ideas of Mao. And that's a really

1:04:19

powerful start and it's then about this

1:04:21

young woman watching that happen and what

1:04:23

happens to her, we follow what happens

1:04:25

to her. It cuts between the past

1:04:28

and the present, then in the present

1:04:30

these scientists around the world are having

1:04:32

their projects and things they're investigating seem

1:04:34

to be affected by some weird external

1:04:36

force of some kind. There's

1:04:40

this cool group of people who know each other

1:04:44

from Oxford who are scientists

1:04:46

or people who work with

1:04:48

scientists and they're having various

1:04:50

different life experiences now.

1:04:53

In fact, for example, John

1:04:55

Braggart's character is this

1:04:57

quasi-obnoxious very wealthy

1:05:00

entrepreneur and how

1:05:03

his character and how his kind of friends

1:05:06

deal with what's going on in the world

1:05:08

is again makes us tap into and makes

1:05:10

it very accessible because those characters are interesting

1:05:13

within themselves. And you get Benedict Wong's character

1:05:15

who's kind of like some mysterious person

1:05:17

investigating these phenomena and of course Benedict Wong

1:05:19

is just brilliant generally. I mean he's

1:05:21

always fantastically kind of soulful, open. There's something

1:05:23

very open about him like I don't

1:05:25

know draws you in literally. So what better

1:05:28

person to draw you in. And he

1:05:30

gets to use his own Mancunian accent as

1:05:32

well which is nice. Yeah exactly, yeah

1:05:34

great his own Mancunian accent and his boss

1:05:36

is by Berlin Cunningham that's like a

1:05:38

from Game of Thrones. Anyway bottom

1:05:41

line is it's really

1:05:43

interesting, it's got lots of different kind

1:05:45

of things going on at the same

1:05:48

time. Did you mention the whole kind

1:05:50

of virtual computer game thing? No I

1:05:52

didn't. That is a part of it,

1:05:54

that a mysterious VR headset is found

1:05:56

in the apartment of someone who has

1:06:00

killed themselves. And so they start delving into

1:06:02

this weird virtual game. So we'll get to

1:06:04

it ready for one there. And

1:06:07

there's other stuff, there's their hallucinations as well.

1:06:09

That's the part that was a little bit going

1:06:11

to tap out. There's certain moments. Yeah,

1:06:13

I was going to talk about that. I was

1:06:15

going to talk about that. So I think I'm

1:06:17

so I really enjoyed it. I think I did

1:06:19

get slight I did start to get slightly wary

1:06:21

of these quite extended, quite

1:06:23

spectacular visually kind

1:06:26

of reenactments of what's going on in this virtual

1:06:29

VR gaming helmet thing from going on

1:06:31

because and in fact, one of those

1:06:33

things where when you see the trailer

1:06:35

of this show, there's like, my god,

1:06:37

it's spectacular, weird, freaky things happening. intercut

1:06:40

with like more down to earth things,

1:06:42

people, humans, on earth doing stuff

1:06:44

that's really more identifiable. And

1:06:46

of course, most of the really

1:06:48

demented is within the virtual the

1:06:51

VR game. Hope that's not going

1:06:53

too far away. Yeah. And

1:06:56

that's fine. But it does. I always think with those

1:06:58

kinds of things, you care slightly less about what's going

1:07:00

on, because you know, it is within a virtual gaming

1:07:02

thing. But event so that's what I'd say I was

1:07:04

slightly wary of that element of it in the first

1:07:07

two episodes, then I watched episode three, and in episode

1:07:09

three, some League of gentlemen pop

1:07:11

up and what

1:07:14

have you ever wild wild.

1:07:17

Rees Smith, Mark Gates, Mark

1:07:19

Gates, and Reese Giers with pop up in episode

1:07:22

three. Well, I'm not gonna go. They're not the

1:07:24

only ones either. But they but they're in

1:07:30

this virtual world. And I thought that stuff was amazing. Like,

1:07:32

and just in terms of

1:07:36

epic scope, right to dramatize

1:07:38

and visualize the ideas that

1:07:40

they do in that bit of episode three,

1:07:42

I thought was absolutely brilliant. So really, it

1:07:45

really got one way around to the world

1:07:47

within that book VR headset thing. But I

1:07:49

was slightly doubtful about what after watching the

1:07:51

first episodes. So I'm fully in. I've

1:07:54

watched up to episode four, I will absolutely plow through

1:07:56

the rest of the scenes. I've got enough time for

1:07:59

this point. special that we've got here this week,

1:08:01

apparently. So yeah, I think they've done a

1:08:03

great job in making it fascinating

1:08:06

and accessible and all that. It's good that you

1:08:08

can fit in four episodes around this, around your

1:08:10

busy love rat schedule. So I'm really happy to

1:08:12

do that. Yeah, priorities. I've seen all eight of

1:08:14

these. It's fantastic. I absolutely love it. And I'm

1:08:16

no longer, I think I missed this last week,

1:08:19

I'm no longer as worried that

1:08:21

this is going to get cancelled because hey, I

1:08:24

think it is accessible. I think the central mystery is

1:08:26

really compelling, regardless of whether you like science fiction or

1:08:28

not. The VR stuff is not the main thrust of

1:08:30

this show. It's a small part of it. And

1:08:33

it's very character led. Like, again, the

1:08:35

books are very, very different. I've obviously

1:08:37

now got into those, but they're

1:08:39

very sort of like central about these, sort of one

1:08:41

Chinese character, and then there's another one here. What they've

1:08:43

done here is they've taken a group of five friends

1:08:45

from Oxford, the Oxford Five, and they've

1:08:47

made you really care about these characters and

1:08:49

they have centered the story around them. So

1:08:52

they're all essentially fabricated for the show. But

1:08:54

you know, Aza Gonzalez, who plays Orgy Salazar,

1:08:56

she's having some of these visual hallucinations and

1:08:58

you're like, why? And they're a phenomenon that

1:09:00

you can't explain. They've got their friend Will,

1:09:02

played by Alex Sharp, who,

1:09:05

well, we won't go too much into his plot

1:09:07

for the sake of spoilers. But I would say

1:09:09

John Bradley, owner of Jack's Snacks, which

1:09:11

is genuinely brilliant. Joe

1:09:14

Venet-Depot, who plays Saul, who's he works for

1:09:16

one of the people who sort of killed

1:09:18

himself very early on, so he gets drowned

1:09:20

in. And then of course, the

1:09:22

kind of, I guess if there's a main character to

1:09:24

this, and it is an ensemble, but I guess if

1:09:27

there is a main character, it's Yesong's character, Jin Cheng,

1:09:29

and she's essentially one of these sort of great sort

1:09:32

of physicist minds of her generation. But it's, I

1:09:34

mean, it looks stunning. And I was, you know,

1:09:36

I thought, is there be one that I'll love

1:09:38

and Kay will absolutely hate? And then when I

1:09:40

saw it, I was like, you know what, I

1:09:42

don't think she'll hate it. Yeah. And

1:09:44

you're right. I didn't hate it at all. And I think

1:09:46

it's well, it's exactly what you said

1:09:48

is because it's character driven, that I thought I

1:09:50

really invested in those five very

1:09:53

intrigued about these, you know, these

1:09:55

scientists around the world that are seemingly taking their

1:09:57

own lives, but you know, aren't.

1:10:00

And yeah, I've been drawn

1:10:02

in, but the VAR stuff, no

1:10:04

VR. I love

1:10:07

a VAR. I'd love it. Yeah. episode

1:10:10

four, there's a VAR football match decision.

1:10:12

She's very confident. It's a show that

1:10:14

I spend too much time with you

1:10:16

talking about your football match that you've been

1:10:18

on the weekend. The VR stuff. Yeah,

1:10:21

I was, I mean, at that point I was like,

1:10:23

no, no, please no. I don't think it doesn't need

1:10:25

it. For me, it didn't need, I don't know, like

1:10:27

it might be integral to the story. It's already what

1:10:29

you want to say, but it's a bit much for

1:10:31

me, but overall, yeah, I enjoyed it. Yeah, there's a

1:10:33

lot to love here. And I think there's a great,

1:10:37

I say it gets more, it gets richer and more interesting

1:10:39

as you go on. And they've pulled forward elements from the

1:10:41

other two books as well to kind of make this series

1:10:43

really well structured. But yeah, eight episodes long, I've seen all

1:10:45

of them and I do very much recommend it. And I

1:10:47

know some people might be thinking, I don't think I want

1:10:50

to get into this because it's Netflix. I'm going to end

1:10:52

up canceling it. I don't think they necessarily will. I think

1:10:54

it will do a lot better than people think, but also

1:10:56

I have, and I mentioned this in

1:10:58

Pilot Plus last week. I believe there are people up on

1:11:00

high on Netflix who are very invested in this project from

1:11:02

what I've heard, who are, you

1:11:04

know, it's been, yeah. Your

1:11:07

secret source. You've been showing to you. Ted Sarandos again.

1:11:09

I called Ted, I said Ted, that's not a body

1:11:11

problem. He was like, Oh mate, it's brilliant, isn't it?

1:11:14

Yeah. That's how he talks to Ted.

1:11:16

Oh mate, oh that's great. Yeah. Loved

1:11:18

it. Loved it mate, geez. Anyway,

1:11:20

three body problem then, which is on

1:11:22

the Netflix on what day, Boydee? March

1:11:26

21st, 2024. Is

1:11:29

that Thursday or Friday? I think it's Thursday. It

1:11:31

feels like a Thursday, but that is all eight

1:11:33

episodes. So block out Thursday night, binge through it.

1:11:36

You will not regret it. Next

1:11:39

up, we have Palm Royale on

1:11:41

Apple TV Plus, and this is a period

1:11:44

comedy by Abe Sylvia based on the

1:11:46

2018 novel, Mr. and Mrs. American Pie

1:11:48

by Juliette McDaniel. And this is basically a

1:11:51

pretty bloody good cast. Quite a fan. It's

1:11:53

got Laura Dernan. Alison Janney. Ricky Martin,

1:11:55

living his absolute best Vida Loca. Kristen

1:11:58

Wiig here plays this woman who's sort of... desperate

1:12:00

to break into, well, high

1:12:02

society in Palm Beach, and specifically this

1:12:05

exclusive members club called the Palm Royale.

1:12:07

And speaking of Machiavellian social climbers, who

1:12:09

better talk about this than Kay? Yes.

1:12:11

So as you say, this is about a

1:12:14

character called Maxine, played by Kristen Wiig, who I

1:12:16

have to say is brilliant in this role, because

1:12:19

the character is someone who is, you know, she's

1:12:21

sweet and personable. And she's

1:12:24

trying to, she's super aspirational. She's trying

1:12:26

to break into this very close circle

1:12:28

of social life, like very wealthy women

1:12:30

who frequent the Palm Royale. And,

1:12:33

you know, you kind of one hand

1:12:35

you kind of see where she's coming

1:12:37

from, and like, don't, don't begrudge her, but

1:12:39

then she does some really underhand stuff along

1:12:41

the line, to try and invade

1:12:44

the way into the inner circle. And

1:12:46

so, but I think Kristen Wiig, because of her

1:12:48

like performance, does a great job of making her

1:12:50

quite sympathetic, a sympathetic character. And you actually will

1:12:53

her along, even though she is doing some stuff

1:12:55

where you're like, morally, I'm not

1:12:57

sure if I agree with this. The

1:12:59

whole thing is just so we've kind of said

1:13:01

this before, but you know, it's

1:13:03

got such a beautiful look and filter

1:13:06

is set in the 70s in Palm

1:13:08

Beach. And just like the

1:13:10

costumes to the day for to

1:13:12

like everything about it just feels

1:13:15

very elevated. Alison Janney

1:13:17

is amazing in this as the queen

1:13:19

bee. She plays Evelyn, who is very

1:13:22

much the leader of the gang of

1:13:25

women that Christian Wiig's character Maxine is trying

1:13:27

to infiltrate. And she absolutely wants nothing to

1:13:29

do. She rules the roost and won't let

1:13:31

anyone new in. And so we see all

1:13:33

the different ways that Maxine tries

1:13:36

to break in literally she breaks into

1:13:38

the Palm Royale. And Ricky Martin, as

1:13:40

you mentioned, is having his,

1:13:42

you know, living his best life

1:13:44

as an awful waiter who absolutely

1:13:46

relishes knocking, kicking her

1:13:48

out basically physically. And yeah, I

1:13:53

enjoyed this. I really liked her. I thought it was

1:13:55

great. I thought it just really exposed that kind of

1:13:57

Mingo attitude of these very wealthy people. women

1:14:00

who just won't want nothing to do with her

1:14:02

because she is not as rich as them, isn't

1:14:04

as well connected, even though she

1:14:07

tries to spin a few yarns here and there but

1:14:09

is quickly discovered as

1:14:12

being a liar. So this

1:14:14

has gotten the most incredible cast

1:14:16

right? Kristen Wiig, as you said,

1:14:18

Laura Dern, Alison Janney, Leslie Bibb,

1:14:20

Ricky Martin, Carol Burnett, is

1:14:22

it? Josh Lucas. It

1:14:28

looks incredible, as you say. I mean,

1:14:30

the wig budget alone must

1:14:32

have been like, probably like, probably pay

1:14:34

for an entire series of like, various.

1:14:36

And he means the actual wig, not

1:14:38

just Kristen Wiig. Yeah, very good. Whigs

1:14:40

wig, wig wig is extraordinary. Alison Janney,

1:14:42

the costumes, the dresses, like

1:14:44

these incredibly lavish, like mostly

1:14:46

floral, elaborate, and there's the

1:14:48

evening wear, the whole thing

1:14:50

and the production design and

1:14:53

the attention to detail and the sunny the

1:14:56

cinematography, which is like vibrant,

1:14:58

sunny, etc. It's all there.

1:15:00

I did not get on with it,

1:15:02

though. Yeah, I found it. I found

1:15:04

the tone slightly

1:15:07

irritating and arched. It's got this voiceover

1:15:09

from Kristen Wiig's character, this southern don't

1:15:11

know, yeah, we know it's not pretty

1:15:13

with normal accent. Anyway, I didn't really

1:15:15

understand the point of her accent and

1:15:18

slightly over the

1:15:20

top kind of like arch, as I say,

1:15:23

voiceover that's fairly incessant. There's a lot of it.

1:15:26

And kind of telling

1:15:28

you what's going on. I didn't think it needed

1:15:30

that much of that. And I

1:15:32

thought that, and really, it's a show

1:15:34

about social climbing and class, both

1:15:37

feminism is going on at the time. So Laura

1:15:39

Jones, in this group of

1:15:41

kind of feminists who are exploring,

1:15:43

you know, other sides of women's

1:15:46

lives and all that's interesting. There's like, you

1:15:48

know, deals with abortion and etc. But it's

1:15:51

just the tone I just didn't I think it's one of

1:15:53

those things where Tony went where you either go with

1:15:55

or you don't and I just I couldn't get along

1:15:57

with it. I just thought it was a bit I

1:16:00

felt contrived and it

1:16:02

didn't need to be there. And do you know what

1:16:04

I even did? Because I was so interested in it

1:16:06

tonally and how it slightly annoyed me. I actually, I

1:16:09

kind of looked up the novel that was based and

1:16:11

I wonder whether, you know, is the novel the same?

1:16:13

And you can actually read the opening chapters

1:16:15

online like this book. And

1:16:18

it isn't, the tone of the novel

1:16:20

is much less arch and

1:16:22

contrived than the show for some weird

1:16:24

reason. And it heightened for the

1:16:26

show. Yes, it seems to have decided that we're

1:16:28

going to do this heightened thing. Yeah, and everything's going to

1:16:31

be slightly camp over

1:16:33

the top. You know, the scenes where they go

1:16:35

to the, like equivalent of where

1:16:37

it is, I don't know, Bergdorf Gubman or whatever, to

1:16:39

try on their dresses with the very camp guy who

1:16:41

sorts them all out, you know. Like

1:16:43

those scenes, they're kind of fun, but equally,

1:16:45

you know, I don't know, slightly a camp

1:16:49

for the sake of it kind of thing. So

1:16:51

anyway, I'm not saying it's not- I

1:16:53

feel disappointed you're like, I'm not saying

1:16:56

like- I'm disappointed, I did enjoy it more. I

1:16:59

enjoyed this, but I'm disappointed you didn't get more on

1:17:01

board in this, because you're bringing that you spend like

1:17:03

all that time waxing lyrical about love rap. Well,

1:17:06

I mean, that's very, I mean- I think we can all agree

1:17:08

this is no love rap. It's no

1:17:10

love rap, yeah. I mean, you know,

1:17:12

I'm just surprised you've adopted that slightly

1:17:14

smobbish- No, no, no. No,

1:17:17

this is not about the channel it's on, it's just

1:17:19

about- He expects that behaviour from me, Kay, but from

1:17:21

you, it's very good. You

1:17:23

know what? Here's the thing. I think this

1:17:25

is what crystallised it to me. I

1:17:27

think it's trying to be funny about

1:17:30

this stuff, and it's not funny. So

1:17:33

what's the point of the kind of very arch tone?

1:17:35

I've used that word a lot, but that is the

1:17:37

word for it. If it's not going to be funny

1:17:39

either, it's like, just do it. This is the question

1:17:41

that I was going to ask you. Is it trying to

1:17:43

be funny? Because I for the life of me could not

1:17:46

work it out, because- I don't think

1:17:48

it's trying to be that funny. I'm not

1:17:50

sure it is, which is why the tone

1:17:52

makes no sense to me whatsoever. I'm 100%

1:17:54

in boy's camp on this. Like, the tone

1:17:56

is a wild choice here. Like, Abe Selves

1:17:58

has gone for this very heightened- almost parodic.

1:18:01

And Kristen Whitney is a very talented comedic actor,

1:18:04

but she can do drama, but she plays this

1:18:06

in comedy mode, but without the jokes. So

1:18:08

you've got the heightened feeling where it's just a

1:18:10

little bit archer, a little bit odd, but

1:18:13

it isn't funny. And I was like, so why

1:18:15

are you doing it? And did they think that

1:18:17

the drama wouldn't drag people in? Would it not

1:18:19

be compelling? Are they trying to make it more

1:18:21

engaging? Because for me, it had the opposite effect.

1:18:23

I think if they'd gone full dramatic, I might

1:18:26

have been involved in the characters and the situations.

1:18:28

But as it was, the tone just made the

1:18:30

whole thing inaccessible to me. I was like, I can't get on

1:18:32

board with this because it's just, it's just, it's dark. Maybe

1:18:34

they added some levity to the tone to make it less

1:18:37

tragic. Possibly, possibly that might have been the intent. That

1:18:39

might have been the intent. I just couldn't

1:18:41

get on with it. I found it, because I thought the actual

1:18:43

plot of it, and for the first episode, let's bear in mind,

1:18:45

because there's a little sort of like, there's almost

1:18:47

like a little sizzle at the end showing you

1:18:50

what's come up. It feels like it gets more

1:18:52

involved. But the idea of she's a social climber.

1:18:54

She wants to get into a club. So what

1:18:56

does she do? She, under false pretenses, befriends one

1:18:58

of the members and tries to sort of inveigle.

1:19:01

That is a hoary tale as old as time.

1:19:03

It's been told so many thousands of times, many,

1:19:05

many times better than this by great writers. And

1:19:08

I just thought, I just thought, I don't, why

1:19:10

do I care about this, this incredibly cliched setup?

1:19:12

Now, to be fair, as I said, it may

1:19:14

go to more interesting places. But from the initial

1:19:17

setup, you've got a plot that

1:19:19

isn't inventive or new, or particularly well executed.

1:19:21

You've got a tone that sets you up

1:19:23

for jokes that never come. And

1:19:26

the whole thing just honestly just bored me to

1:19:28

death. I really, really couldn't get into it. I

1:19:30

100% agree with JB. Do

1:19:33

you know what's really awful, even more awful

1:19:35

still is that you're making me have a

1:19:41

rethink. But you said it very well.

1:19:43

But you said it very well. What is the point

1:19:45

of that tone? Yeah, for this story. And particularly

1:19:48

fast, I urge you to check

1:19:50

out the opening chapter online. It's

1:19:52

weird. The book's fine. I don't

1:19:54

Yeah, it's it's like they've seen

1:19:57

other shows similar to this

1:19:59

similar subject. as you say, and they go,

1:20:01

oh yeah, that's the way to do it. A bit

1:20:03

like, you know what you're reminding me of, the Ryan

1:20:05

Murphy shows, right? But Ryan Murphy has, but

1:20:08

sometimes it doesn't what Ryan Murphy shows as well, but

1:20:10

other times it does, and it fits the subject matter.

1:20:12

This seemed just too contrived and too- I would still

1:20:15

say good performances and great look and feel

1:20:17

though. Yeah, an incredible cast, incredible cast. And honestly, I'd

1:20:19

be interested to hear what people think. So by all

1:20:21

means, if you are listening to podcasts, and you have

1:20:23

the time, and you have an Apple TV subscription, watch

1:20:25

the first episode, let us know what you think. I'm

1:20:27

fascinated to hear if people find this, you know, a

1:20:29

bit more accessible. Yeah, it's

1:20:31

a weird one. I was disappointed, it has to

1:20:34

be said. I have to say, the

1:20:36

69 wardrobes were spot on. Oh.

1:20:39

Yeah, costume design, lots out of the park. Look,

1:20:41

everything, all set exactly correct, all the

1:20:43

craft, all the craft is there. But

1:20:45

I mean, to what purpose? And

1:20:48

this cast, I mean, oh, so good. Sorry. Okay,

1:20:51

let's move on. We've broken K. We've

1:20:53

broken K. No, because

1:20:55

also now I'm like, yeah, I do see

1:20:57

what you mean, which is frustrating for me, as you know.

1:20:59

That's true. Yeah. Well, this comes

1:21:01

to Apple TV Plus when, Boydie. March

1:21:04

20, I think it's a Wednesday. I feel like a

1:21:06

Wednesday. A Wednesday, March 20, 2024, the year

1:21:08

of our wardrobes. There

1:21:12

we go. Mathematically passive-aggressive listings from

1:21:14

Boydie. Yeah. No,

1:21:17

our readers have been very thankful that

1:21:19

you've taken the time to

1:21:21

actually say the dates and the wins. Yeah,

1:21:23

very important. Right.

1:21:27

Finally this week, we've got Twisted Metal, in which

1:21:29

Anthony Mackie, well, he talked about it a fair

1:21:31

bit last week on this very podcast, but this

1:21:33

is based on the PlayStation 1 game from

1:21:36

back in the day, and this is Mackie as a milkman,

1:21:39

which in this case is a post-apocalyptic courier,

1:21:42

and he in this undertakes a daring mission

1:21:44

for Neve Campbell to retrieve an unknown package

1:21:46

from New Chicago on one side of this

1:21:48

sort of devastated America and bring it back

1:21:51

across the ravaged US to New San Francisco.

1:21:53

What could possibly go wrong? Oh,

1:21:56

God. Boydie, is this Twisted

1:21:58

or Metal? Well, so

1:22:01

I was really, I was really

1:22:03

looking forward to Palm Royale. That looked

1:22:05

great from the trailer, the cast, et

1:22:07

cetera. I was really looking forward to

1:22:09

that. Civilian disappointed and irritated by it.

1:22:13

Oh my God, this is a total James

1:22:15

takeover. What the fuck is this show based

1:22:17

on a computer game? It's got like Marvel

1:22:19

people in it. It's like, you know, it's

1:22:21

just, it looked basic and annoying and irritating.

1:22:24

I was like, why are we reviewing this?

1:22:26

When we should probably reviewing another channel five

1:22:28

thriller that's stripped across the week. Yeah.

1:22:32

Como. Exactly. Exactly. There literally was

1:22:34

someone could have reviewed, but,

1:22:37

but I ended up really enjoying it.

1:22:40

It is, it is idiotic. And,

1:22:44

um, like, you know, he

1:22:46

is kind of squaisal obnoxious, but

1:22:49

quite funny. The show itself, it

1:22:51

reminded me of, do you ever, do you have a

1:22:53

blood drive? Which was this

1:22:55

like post-apocalyptic thing about, um, racing

1:22:58

car racing where the cars were

1:23:00

fueled by blood. I

1:23:03

remember that. Yeah. Yeah. It was

1:23:06

on like, I think it was on sci-fi

1:23:08

here or so. I don't even know if

1:23:10

that channel even exists anymore. The equivalent of

1:23:12

what is now sky sci-fi. I mean, it

1:23:14

was basic and, but it was like literally,

1:23:16

since you used to have like car chases,

1:23:18

violence, gratuitous nudity, et cetera. And

1:23:20

this is a bit like that, but not quite as

1:23:22

good. Not well, so far I only watched the first

1:23:24

episode. Not so far that much gratuitous nudity. It's,

1:23:27

it's, it's got a fun tone to it. And I

1:23:29

think Anthony Mackie is having the time of his life

1:23:31

and he's loving it. Um, there's

1:23:33

a really funny kind of like little twisty

1:23:35

bit involving Neve Campbell's character and what she's

1:23:37

trying to get him to do. Like that

1:23:40

was, that was quite nice, smart and clever.

1:23:42

It's for a kind of like trash

1:23:45

best. It's kind of trashy, deliberately trashy. I

1:23:47

mean, you can tell from the posters, like,

1:23:49

you know, if you look at online at

1:23:51

the twisted metal poster, it sums

1:23:53

up the tone. It's like ridiculous.

1:23:56

Um, and it's also been like, like death

1:23:58

rates, 2000, all of that whole, that whole kind of. of

1:24:00

racing stupidity cars,

1:24:04

Fury Road even, Mad Max Fury Road, there's a

1:24:06

bit of that in it visually. They

1:24:08

use Champagne Supernova by Oasis, they

1:24:11

deploy that quite cleverly. It reminded

1:24:13

me of the fact that in

1:24:15

the weakest link last week on

1:24:17

TV, they had a question about

1:24:20

what was the first word of

1:24:22

the Oasis song Supernova? Was it

1:24:24

champagne or lemonade? And someone gets

1:24:26

lemonade. Lemonade

1:24:28

Supernova, can you imagine? Anyway, that was

1:24:30

really funny. And there's a

1:24:32

whole bit about where he's kind of stripped

1:24:34

naked. There's a scene where he's stripped naked,

1:24:37

Anthony Mackie, and they put Perky map his

1:24:42

ass. And I was like, oh yeah,

1:24:44

this is different. I don't know what's happening now. I actually

1:24:46

don't know. Well, you're going to have to deal

1:24:48

with the fact that I enjoyed it. It's

1:24:50

fun. It's stupid. But

1:24:53

yeah, it's

1:24:55

kind of weird to have these A-listers kind of

1:24:58

involved in what is really a kind of trashy

1:25:00

thing. So I thought that was interesting as well.

1:25:02

So yeah, I thought it was fun. Okay.

1:25:06

Give us the verdict. Okay, listen, I

1:25:08

don't want to go. I

1:25:11

don't want to do it. Okay, come on. But

1:25:13

this is, so, you

1:25:15

know, you guys were saying about Palm Royal, like,

1:25:18

what is the tone? It's not

1:25:20

funny. Is it trying to be funny? For

1:25:22

me, I think a bigger crime is when something tries

1:25:24

to be funny and it isn't. And this is where

1:25:26

this hits for me. And

1:25:28

I feel really bad because obviously we've got

1:25:31

Anthony McNeil. I feel bad because, you know,

1:25:33

he's a great guy and he gives a

1:25:35

good performance in this. But

1:25:37

my point, the overriding thing is it's

1:25:41

just, it's trying to

1:25:43

be fun and frothy and like, you

1:25:45

know, well, I'm loath to use James'

1:25:47

words silly, but it

1:25:50

just never hits the

1:25:52

right note for me and it's never funny. So for example,

1:25:54

there's a couple of examples I wrote down. So like in

1:25:57

the beginning, you know, it's very loud and

1:25:59

car crash. and guns and everything and forced

1:26:01

jokes because they do feel forced. And in

1:26:03

one instance, he is involved in

1:26:06

a car chase and John Doe,

1:26:08

he plays John Doe, spots a footlocker

1:26:10

and, you know, it's like this

1:26:12

gag of like, oh, yeah, oh, wow, I'm in the

1:26:14

middle of this car chase and oh, look, there's a

1:26:16

footlocker, maybe I should stop by. And it's like, really?

1:26:18

Yeah, I love it. It was fun. Funny. Oh,

1:26:21

boys in a sneakerhead. We served well there. Yeah.

1:26:23

Yeah. Yeah. What were the trainers?

1:26:25

Come on, tell me. I'm

1:26:28

very disappointed. He grabs one trainer. Oh, well, no, he

1:26:30

grabs one, but really then is wearing both of them.

1:26:32

I don't know how he got the other one. I

1:26:34

mean, oh, yeah, I mean, that's just one of the

1:26:36

memories about this. And so,

1:26:38

yeah, he's John Doe. He's going to be this really

1:26:41

fun, quirky guy, but he just falls short. He

1:26:43

doesn't, you know, the dialogue doesn't deliver and it's

1:26:46

actually quite cheesy. I mean, there's also another moment.

1:26:48

Well, I've actually written down the moment where he

1:26:50

stripped and doused in a perfume, sprayed up his

1:26:52

arse. I'll take an example of it not being

1:26:54

funny, but obviously really rocks. Boys

1:26:56

by. And then later

1:26:58

on, and then he later makes his lame

1:27:00

gag about two ply,

1:27:04

three ply toilet roll, which is considered

1:27:06

to be worth, you know, making Ned

1:27:08

Campbell laugh, he can't even muster a

1:27:11

smile. So she has big kill

1:27:13

my agent energy. I'm going

1:27:15

to be said, as much as I call

1:27:17

promiscuous co-host that I am. I'm going to

1:27:19

be team K on this one. I

1:27:22

yeah, I'm with you on this. I didn't think this

1:27:24

could do. And for the same reason, I thought I

1:27:26

thought, look, Anthony Naki really charismatic and I think he

1:27:29

sells it, he gives it is absolutely all and he

1:27:31

absolutely does his best to sell it. I just don't

1:27:33

think the script is there. I don't think the gags

1:27:35

are particularly well written. And I should say, so this

1:27:37

is the game I believe came out in 1995. I

1:27:40

think that's either when this is set or

1:27:43

it's when society crumbled. So like

1:27:45

society froze in 1995. So

1:27:47

it's all 90s, sort of like music aesthetics and

1:27:49

whatnot. It's all very, you know, set in like

1:27:52

a post-apocalyptic 90s. And I

1:27:54

quite like that. But, you know, you got

1:27:56

sweet tooth, the killer clown, it turns out at the end of

1:27:58

the first episode again is a character from the. game,

1:28:01

whatever. I

1:28:04

thought the story was quite weak early on. You get

1:28:06

a very slight setup of

1:28:09

the fact that he's going to be paired

1:28:11

with Stephanie Beatriz's character, whose name is just

1:28:14

Quiet. Her brother, Loud, is also

1:28:16

in this. But

1:28:18

I tried really hard because this is a

1:28:21

very me thing to like and I really

1:28:23

wanted to like it. I really like

1:28:25

Anthony Mackay. I was a bit bored.

1:28:28

Thomas Hayden Church turns up as this evil sheriff.

1:28:30

I was like, what is this? Oh yeah, he

1:28:32

was quite funny. He was quite funny. But

1:28:35

again, it feels like

1:28:37

a video game. It feels like a video

1:28:39

game level and of that era just like

1:28:42

a little bit too thin for me. Yeah,

1:28:44

and not enough work has been done on the story. Yeah,

1:28:47

and I don't think you need like

1:28:50

a super deep story as

1:28:52

long as you can give it some life in the

1:28:54

screen, like really punch up the dollar, make it really

1:28:56

funny. Like I say, I think Anthony Mackay's performance is

1:28:58

on point. But I do think he's working quite sort

1:29:00

of like mid-level sort of like C grade jokes. And

1:29:02

I think he does his absolute best to amp them

1:29:04

up. And sometimes I actually think that makes it work.

1:29:06

I think it's a generous thing to see. He's a

1:29:08

bit like when he turns up at the gates of

1:29:10

somewhere and he's like, he's like he's having bants with

1:29:12

the security guards there. And I was just, oh, this

1:29:14

is a bit cringe. This is a bit cringe. So

1:29:17

I was really crestful. I will say that Ammon who

1:29:19

interviewed Anthony Mackay, he liked this a lot more than

1:29:21

I did. And Boydie obviously,

1:29:23

you know, a big old Twisted Metal

1:29:25

fan. So there are I think 10

1:29:28

episodes of this. So for the next

1:29:30

big podcast, Boydie will watch the next

1:29:32

nine episodes of Twisted Metal and report

1:29:34

back. No, no,

1:29:37

no, no. I thought it was fine.

1:29:39

Don't get me wrong. It's not like

1:29:41

genius. Obviously it's shoddy. You thought Super

1:29:43

is your favourite show of the year. I

1:29:47

mean, nice try cave. No, I

1:29:49

didn't. And it's fine. It's fun.

1:29:51

It's fun, stupid, you know,

1:29:53

throw away bullshit fun. That's what it is.

1:29:55

Yeah. It almost doesn't need a particular script.

1:29:57

Take that quote for your posture. Yeah. Oh

1:29:59

yeah. No. I'm just so surprised. I

1:30:02

wasn't expecting to enjoy it at all. And I

1:30:04

just enjoy it. I thought it was perfectly fine.

1:30:06

You mentioned this also, unusually half hour episodes, which,

1:30:08

uh, which actually kind of threw me away. Yeah.

1:30:11

Yeah. Yeah. Which I think, I

1:30:13

think my biggest takeaway from this is if you were

1:30:15

going to tell this story, given that the story is,

1:30:17

and let's be honest, regardless of, the story is not

1:30:19

what I would say mega complex. I feel like this

1:30:21

could have been a film. Like I just need to

1:30:23

be like a 10 part show. Does it? I think

1:30:26

it does. I think like a tight two hour film,

1:30:28

this could have been a lot of fun. I

1:30:31

just don't know that it needs to be a show myself.

1:30:33

Anyway, Chris and Mapple, Paramount

1:30:36

Plus, Winboydee. Still better, more preferable to

1:30:38

watch than the Palm Springs. What? Yeah.

1:30:40

I would be on that. I

1:30:42

would pick this. I would pick this over Palm Royale. I

1:30:46

would want to watch Palm Royale. Just

1:30:49

checking. I'll just check it out. I'll just check it

1:30:51

out. Anyway, YouTube can have a very quiet voice and

1:30:54

I'll say, I'll say it home and watch it. Listeners,

1:30:56

you can watch, you will want to watch all

1:30:59

10 episodes of Twisted Metal when they arrive on

1:31:01

Paramount Plus, Thursday, the 21st of March, 2024. Yes,

1:31:05

indeed. Well, what else

1:31:07

is out this week, Boydie? Apart

1:31:10

from X-Men 97, which is

1:31:12

a return to the classic, while we're talking

1:31:14

about the mid 90s, the classic 90s X-Men

1:31:16

animated cartoon, which I used to watch at

1:31:18

university and used to really, really enjoy. That

1:31:21

lands on Disney Plus on Wednesday, the 20th.

1:31:23

And I think we're going to watch that

1:31:25

and review it for Pilot Plus. We'll be

1:31:27

talking about that on Thursday. Very

1:31:30

excitingly. But one person

1:31:32

came in particular to look forward to. What

1:31:34

else have we what else we got this week? There

1:31:37

is there is the aforementioned Channel

1:31:39

5 drama, Koma, stripped

1:31:42

across the week, Monday to Thursday with Jason

1:31:44

Watkins, who's always very good. A byword for

1:31:46

quality. One might say. We should have done

1:31:49

that. Possibly should have done that. I'm right.

1:31:51

Yeah, maybe potentially.

1:31:56

There is Beyond Paradise. K's likes

1:31:58

that show. on Friday

1:32:00

at BBC One, eight o'clock. That's

1:32:03

the kind of spin-off from Death in Paradise, isn't it, Kay? Yes,

1:32:06

like, would you call it Cosy Crime?

1:32:08

Yeah, it's a spin-off. Yes, Cosy Crime.

1:32:10

The FBI franchise is back, Season

1:32:12

6 on Sky Witness on

1:32:15

Thursday. If you like

1:32:17

that kind of thing. What

1:32:20

else? Anything else? Oh, there's a

1:32:23

thing called Helgoland 513 on

1:32:25

Sky Atlantic on Friday, which

1:32:27

is a futuristic drama series from

1:32:31

the guy who created The Time Traveler's

1:32:33

Wife, Robert Schwenker, the adaptation of The

1:32:35

Time Traveler's Wife. It's

1:32:38

set in 2036 when Germany's

1:32:41

only deep sea island has become humanity's

1:32:43

last safe haven after Apocalypse reeks havoc.

1:32:46

Sounds quite Jamesy. James might like that. I do like

1:32:48

a havoc that's wreaking apocalypse. Yeah,

1:32:51

exactly. That's Friday on Sky Atlantic in there.

1:32:54

I think that's about it. What is our pick

1:32:56

of the week? Boy, are you

1:32:58

another altitude lover? I

1:33:01

think even though we all disagree healthily, I think we

1:33:03

can all agree that it's three-body problem. It is indeed.

1:33:05

Three-body problem. Watch it now. OK, this is a big

1:33:07

week for you. A sci-fi, a

1:33:09

big, big sci-fi show is your pick

1:33:11

of the week. This is exciting. Yes,

1:33:14

exactly. Even though you are a movie. I'm over-minded.

1:33:17

I'm over-minded. Yeah, I'm loving

1:33:19

it. Fantastic. That's it for

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