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On the Pilot TV podcast this week, we're up

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in the air with Diane Morgan for Series 2

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of Mandy on the BBC, heading back to school

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with Nicola Kocklin in big mood on Channel 4,

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and finding ourselves under house arrest courtesy of

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Comrade Lennon along with Ewan McGregor in A

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Gentleman in Moscow. And if that weren't enough,

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you and himself swings by the podcast a

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little later on to talk all about it.

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I'm James Dyer and welcome to the Pilot

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TV Podcast, your essential guide to every show

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that matters, and a podcast that is seriously

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considering taking a few days off

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work. Why? You ask because to

0:39

celebrate the 25th anniversary of Farscape,

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Shout TV, which I'm reliably assured

0:44

is an actual thing, began

0:47

a 24-7 Farscape marathon yesterday on

0:49

their service, which again is apparently

0:51

a real thing. So

0:54

you can experience the magnificence of Henson created muppets

0:56

and bold genre-bending sci-fi in one glorious stretch. What

0:58

is Shout TV, you ask? I haven't a fucking

1:00

clue, but let's not worry about it. Are you

1:03

going to hate to mention this? Absolutely not, I

1:05

don't even know what it is. But

1:07

Farscape is very exciting, and obviously no one

1:09

is more excited than UK. To

1:11

both of you, I would imagine,

1:13

being of course Pilot TV's very

1:16

own Hynearian Emperor, Boydy the 16th,

1:18

and our podcast resident Delvian priestess

1:20

Pao Zotto Kay. What are

1:22

you talking about? It is just wordsuit, but hi

1:24

James, how are you? Hi, I'm good, I'm good.

1:26

Kay, I don't know how much I've ever talked

1:28

to you about Farscape. It's

1:31

a sci-fi series that I used to bang on about that

1:33

Terry used to call Fire Escape, and

1:36

it has muppets in it. Oh, okay.

1:38

And so you're excited by this new thing? I'm excited

1:40

that this random thing that apparently is a thing that

1:42

I've never heard of, and I'm not even convinced it's

1:44

an actual channel. It might be online only, or it

1:46

could be American. Who knows? Who cares? Did

1:48

you get this from a reliable source? Yes,

1:50

if by reliable source, you mean the

1:52

internet. Fine. Cool. So yeah, it's

1:54

a thing that's happened, because it's 25 years, 25 years of

1:56

Farscape. Did

2:00

you say this just now it's all an ITVX isn't

2:02

it? It might well be yeah, it is I believe but

2:04

it's being shown It's being sure I mean in this

2:06

streaming age What does it even mean when they're doing like

2:08

a back-to-back 24-7 marathon like it's I mean it's kind

2:10

of meaningless because if they're All right, you've yes you could

2:12

have your own marathon any day of the week. You're

2:14

a Foskate mouth. It's very true.

2:16

Yeah, it's very true Yeah, yeah, but yeah, there's

2:19

a show that I very much loved back in

2:21

the day It is one that I have revisited

2:23

since and been ever so slightly disillusioned. Well, we

2:25

all revisit it didn't we with Terry? Yes, yeah

2:28

in a no, no incarnations. I think I pulled

2:30

out a couple of episodes for her to watch

2:32

Yes, yes, I watched them as well. You did.

2:34

Yeah. Yeah, like yeah has a certain kind of

2:37

You know ramshackle. Yeah a little bit

2:40

by it did some bold things It

2:42

may make me an interesting from the

2:44

vault one though. We're not doing again Done

2:47

it boys drawn the line. No, it's not doing it

2:49

not having it. Okay would hate it So, you know,

2:52

oh, maybe maybe no cuz hey you say that but

2:54

you remember when she liked the doctor episode starbeast There

2:57

are muppets in fastscape and I

2:59

wonder whether it might scratch that same itch. Oh,

3:01

okay. All right No,

3:04

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, she

3:07

wouldn't like it. Okay. Right. Well, that's a

3:09

self-exhuse you then What

3:11

have we been watching other than fast cake?

3:13

Okay. I have been watching young

3:16

Royals now I don't know if I mentioned this

3:18

last week, but I reviewed the

3:20

first episode of the third series And

3:22

I'd never seen it before so I did as a standalone

3:25

and I liked it so much I've gone back and I've

3:27

watched the whole of well, no six episodes of the first

3:29

series and this is a Netflix show Yes, it's

3:31

about the young Swedish Prince

3:33

who becomes crown prince because of a

3:35

tragedy and he's at boarding school He's

3:38

gay and he's navigating becoming the crown

3:40

prince dealing with the fact

3:42

that he's fallen in love and the ramifications

3:45

Of yeah, he basically his duty and

3:47

it was a responsibility over being a

3:49

young guy who just wants to have

3:51

fun and have his first you know

3:54

throws into a relationship

3:57

While Being heir to the throne. Yeah. It's

4:00

not have an answer. This is because he has given

4:03

us from the beginning. Or did you just press on?

4:05

Missouri's three night. I as watch season

4:07

one says except site. For or went

4:09

max you embark you and I feel that was

4:11

the correct way of doing it well. yeah a

4:13

seminar on know like in on out of lie

4:16

boyd who have ploughs will see this way and

4:18

an absolute maniacs. I

4:20

would assume I like it sounds. Didn't.

4:23

Listen, you very much like it

4:25

albany seem like absence defenses or

4:27

think I think you quite like

4:30

it. Yeah, crucially, Is.

4:32

It in Swedish it is. Yes, I

4:34

suppose. Alice: I'm that's how substandard other

4:36

subtitles That's the question I am site

4:38

said in the slightest. Now it's as

4:40

an adult. Nice. A You've lost my

4:42

last May. so gonna bust. Then

4:45

we discuss this about the Cpm line. Of

4:47

F F F F F F in the

4:49

study So on. Bonaparte's yes, someone. Suggested rods

4:51

and bang on about. it was the

4:53

same. should just get. The I I should

4:56

shuts off about So Good and just wash

4:58

your on Hulu and then I wouldn't have

5:00

Damone anymore. but the able to perform enough

5:02

now and well in the concepts This book

5:04

of exactly exactly so gold subtitled Gold On

5:06

Bringing people in. The that's

5:08

what's what's in. Many. Young Rules and

5:10

dislike. Yeah, Cancer was gonna sound francis. We saw

5:12

Police of the second season by Next Put. How

5:15

many of says on? Oh yeah. I I

5:17

think this eight, third, nice, six their

5:20

series. And yes racers lip balm

5:22

I have been what are of

5:24

have to split leads us come

5:26

from a a screening which I

5:28

hosted the queue in a fool

5:30

of I see these new high

5:32

octane playing set thriller read on

5:34

which stars I'm shengli see who's

5:37

in them a crazy rich asians

5:39

iran as of which is on

5:41

it's it's is in every every

5:43

penny more than enough Republic I've

5:45

been blessed. He shot the grocery

5:47

shop who are protesting safe as

5:49

rape a cast. home soon and

5:51

i'm is written by go to

5:53

pizza a downing poo roads among

5:55

other things flight plan which is

5:57

one of the all time classic

6:00

set thrillers with Jodie Foster. I know it well. Same.

6:03

And so I met him just before I was hosting a Q&A

6:05

with him. He was a lovely guy, flow

6:08

over from America, and he's a big

6:10

fan of the podcast. So

6:12

he was talking about and the MPO podcast and the

6:14

part that he was talking about what great big nerve

6:17

as his nickname on the podcast. But he then told

6:22

me because I thought it was like when ITV said

6:24

to me, can you host the Q&A after the screening of

6:26

this thing Red Eye, which is all about set on

6:28

a plane. And I like, well, if anyone heard

6:30

me banging on about how much I like

6:32

plane set shows when we did Hijack, right?

6:34

Genuinely, I'm obsessed with one of my favorite

6:36

genres of all time, TV, film,

6:39

whatever. But I would like I need to write

6:41

the book about plane set things if any publishers

6:43

listening. He

6:46

said he heard that he heard me talking

6:48

about it, how much I'm obsessed with planeset

6:50

thrillers and immediately go on the phone. Wow.

6:52

When you do the screening, can you get

6:54

boy to host it? Because he loves plane

6:56

set thrillers. Oh, that's amazing. Because

7:00

I really like that's brilliant, isn't it? He was

7:02

like he engineered the whole thing. So what

7:05

I'm hearing is this is our calling card for

7:07

business. You know what I love? I love

7:09

TV shows about chocolate. Love them. Absolutely obsessed with

7:11

TV shows about chocolate and cakes. Yeah, I can't

7:13

get enough of them. Just side note should do

7:16

a documentary on patisserie

7:18

Valerie and then we could just I'm assuming they

7:20

probably have at some point. I don't know. I mean, they've

7:22

done a lot of a lot of retail outlets. Okay,

7:25

well, Channel Five hit us up if you want some. You

7:27

can pitch that you can pitch that to Ben

7:29

Frow head of Channel Five. Maybe you go for

7:32

it. Maybe maybe I'll pitch my history of planeset.

7:34

Enough of

7:37

our side hustles. Yeah. So I've watched anyway, that

7:39

is a six part of the week. We will

7:41

be I'm sure reviewing soon as

7:43

it's arrived on ITV in

7:46

a few weeks time. And can you give a

7:48

suggest was it like it's yeah,

7:50

I'll give you a gist. It's Richard

7:52

Armitage is accused. He's a doctor

7:55

and he's accused of being involved

7:57

in a car accident with a

7:59

Chinese Chinese woman. And

8:02

he's back in Britain from

8:04

having traveled from Beijing. He's

8:07

immediately grabbed by the police

8:10

at the airport who accused him of this crime,

8:13

leaving this woman to die basically while he got

8:15

in a car crash with her. He denies the

8:18

whole thing completely because he's a completely innocent man.

8:20

And they fly him back to China on the

8:22

red eye immediately so they can face the Chinese

8:24

authorities effectively. I'm already predicting doctored

8:27

footage. He's in a bad

8:29

situation. All kinds of stuff like that. It's also

8:31

very complicated. Basically it's a plane set, who doesn't it

8:33

is what it really is because you're like, someone's died

8:36

and there's lots of different possible...

8:39

It plays out on the journey back to China.

8:41

On the journey back to China. Oh, amazing. And

8:43

you know how in hijacked, and again all similar

8:45

actors are purely coincidental because it was low written

8:48

and filmed probably at the same time. In hijacked

8:50

there's a whole thing about the politicians on the

8:52

ground. Well, Leslie Sharp is the head of MI5.

8:54

She's the one on the ground dealing

8:56

with the whole thing from her point of view trying to

8:59

kind of intervene and sort out what the hell is going

9:01

on. So yeah, I haven't

9:03

said, you know, when I think of it because that would be a spoiler,

9:05

but we will be hopefully reviewing in a few weeks time. When's

9:08

it on? No, TXTATE not yet

9:10

confirmed, but I think it will be kind of mid

9:12

to late April, roughly. We can do a

9:14

spoiler chat on it. Soon, yeah. Is it dropping? Do

9:16

we know? So actually it'll be one

9:19

episode a week, right? Yeah, I don't know

9:21

yet. Actually, I don't know. It might be with

9:23

ITV, you never know. They might do it. They

9:25

might stream it on ITVX. I mean, I think

9:27

most things you can watch all the episodes now

9:29

on ITVX as it goes on ITV1. Sometimes they

9:32

do two a week. They're doing two a week

9:34

with passenger. They're reviewed on Plus. They

9:36

might do two a week with this. Sometimes they strip

9:38

it because who knows. But yeah, we make big ITV

9:40

events. And the other thing I did this

9:43

week, the other big name drop of the

9:45

week is of course that I interviewed, I think I can

9:47

say this now because it's done and going to press this

9:49

week, for the next next issue

9:51

of Empire, shooting

9:53

up to a and Russell T Davis. Did you

9:55

use the headline he shoot is he scores? I

9:58

did, but I didn't go for that for some reason. The

10:00

way as the Empire does air. they they

10:02

routed through mail or would have pulled me

10:04

over old me. But yeah, go launched lovely

10:06

long showers them how are they may or

10:09

may not seen something from it or not?

10:11

They almost certainly doesn't say that the disease

10:13

or Nyphil nightmare yeah Nyberg with as good

10:15

as loop of news which comes to come

10:18

soon. Users who comes from show in the

10:20

new such and but that was absolute joy.

10:22

Yeah, absolutely. fantastic com. Privilege.

10:24

Spits them together as expected to. Add.

10:27

Something I slept I've watched yes, push

10:29

him and timer I dipped into of

10:31

us the channel fire. And know so

10:33

did on an inner are you a couldn't keep

10:36

a financial to keep a list of what God

10:38

wants a slice of? Get the yeah I was

10:40

the most of the names. Good luck. And

10:42

it wasn't, you know. And so he's out. the premise com.

10:44

Um. Or wouldn't and how night and

10:46

it will. Basically a guy at this these

10:48

kids commentary once and lottery system what says

10:51

license yeah I was by the time other

10:53

members is my daughter's that's like three T

10:55

V I had a second think of an

10:57

easy to terrorizing the street and but they

10:59

smoke comes lives and by see things to

11:01

come to a head. As young guy he

11:04

knows Bhavan terribly Watkins into his punches is

11:06

basically that I see falls down the hits

11:08

his head on the on. the thing goes

11:10

for the Tacoma this young sunk by the

11:12

athletes and then Watkins but then the police.

11:14

Com a book and cause of he just he

11:16

did was involved you just as he observed eight

11:18

he didn't need the lies that he plans to

11:21

sort of the map what he's he's causes go

11:23

to and of in the car muslims who is

11:25

not mixing it to the police is got neighbor

11:27

paper David Bradley we saw the whole thing is

11:29

is I've seen obeying and it's who served to

11:31

be really tense yeah intense kind of situation of

11:33

of yeah of a guy's got since it's nice.

11:35

It's hard to say it meet the mild as

11:37

well as of thing is I see financial an.

11:40

Issue Evil financially she's he's so he's

11:42

really stressed. Only thing conceive of like

11:44

split is it this week and he

11:46

funny snacks and fantasy help so easy

11:49

has something like this could happen and

11:51

say it consequently is just say like.

11:53

Tabs. to watch that is you

11:56

like oh god bless us oh yeah

11:58

but he gets a might be even

12:00

better than Love rat. No, surely not.

12:03

I mean, could I just bring things

12:05

back to love rat a little bit?

12:08

Because I saw my arm the other day and she was,

12:10

as is her one, talking about love rat. And

12:13

she told me how it ends. Now, obviously not going

12:15

to say that here, but bloody hell. She

12:18

told me the ending of love rat and I was like,

12:20

she was like, you will never know. She basically, she was

12:22

leaving and she goes, you'll never know how it ends. I'd

12:24

never have guessed. I'd never have guessed. And I was like,

12:26

go on, tell me, tell me how it ended. I was

12:28

like, are you kidding? And so now that's actually, I'm now

12:30

like, genuinely like, do you think I should watch

12:32

it? I don't know. Maybe. Maybe you should go

12:34

back and watch love rat. I

12:36

wasn't being as sneaky, my beauty viewer. I just

12:39

mean, no one can be as niggity.

12:41

Accurate. When it comes to

12:43

the five job. Yeah. Okay. I'm

12:45

going to, I'm going to watch the rest of it. Yeah.

12:47

Anyway. So, yeah. So that was my channel five watch this

12:49

week. Okay. I've watched nothing on channel

12:51

five. I'm sorry to say for those of

12:53

you who subscribe to pilot plus, you already know

12:56

this, but I watched all of one day. I

12:58

binged at the entire rest of it. And

13:00

was a wreck. I was a little puddle on the floor by the

13:03

end of it. It was a lot

13:05

so much so that the most recent episode of

13:07

pilot plus we did an impromptu spoiler special for

13:09

one day at the end. Yeah. Well, you demanded

13:11

it. I demanded it. Yeah. I'm just going to

13:13

start talking about it. Can we do it now? Like, okay,

13:15

we've got no, we've had no. Yeah. I

13:17

may have sprung it on them, but I needed spoiler therapy. I needed

13:19

to talk about it. I had a lot to get off my chest.

13:22

There was a lot to talk about. Did you cry? Oh

13:24

God. Yeah. I was, I was absolutely destroyed by it. Yeah.

13:27

Proper ugly cry. Oh, I was just, I was just. Yeah.

13:29

It was, yeah, it was just like that. It was very

13:31

upsetting. But I, um, yeah, it was, it was, it was

13:33

really, really good. So

13:36

if you're, if you need, if you too have suffered through one

13:38

day, uh, in a, in a ball

13:41

of like ugly crying, do feel free to subscribe to

13:43

pilot plus and into our little bit of therapy. We

13:45

also talked about the office. The office was off from

13:47

the vault episode in the pilot plus, which is very exciting. Which

13:49

James had never seen. And

13:51

spoiler alert wasn't as cringed

13:54

out as we fear. And I

13:56

did extra homework. So I Just have credit for that as

13:58

well because I not just watched the UK office. Also

14:00

what's the one of the U S office

14:02

which is basically the same absurd television spots.

14:04

nevertheless I was as them back to back

14:06

those self you this is right and so

14:08

on because her and we reviewed Ah a

14:10

Passenger as you mentioned but it's always on

14:12

I T v an ad yesterday on Sunday

14:14

on iterate staff and is an ongoing and

14:17

some so nice well as an act as

14:19

a self destruct up as near with when

14:21

we mustn't say or what as I was

14:23

I am now I've watched all of except

14:25

for the final episode of series to have

14:27

extraordinary so enjoying that a Loss center Ah

14:29

Suffer Farms. High low amounts of the finale.

14:31

This one episode left of Halo Imo have enough.

14:33

Really been enjoying season two of highlights as Grace

14:36

and I also wasn't episode a trigger point. I'm

14:38

very slowly making my wife my second season of

14:40

a trigger Points I am now I think four

14:42

episodes into the six another another side lifeguard spend

14:44

should probably a week by week where I just

14:47

was watching it because I stocks I was the

14:49

first to be i'm I'm and then I was

14:51

the life We pretty much effort by again and

14:53

it's really good and Roof of Alec has been

14:56

the focus of thing about I said for subsistence

14:58

from his is no go for a. Direct

15:00

was how clever they are creating really

15:02

high dramatic things happening within the bomb

15:04

disposal unit. against like plausibly they give

15:07

them really really mess of things to

15:09

deal with and my else in the

15:11

way towards muslims or it is one

15:14

of these shows where. Everything

15:16

explodes. Yes, might like every scientific I

15:18

can see that comes going to explode

15:20

got as almost everything they touch via

15:22

explodes. Ah so so. But I guess

15:24

this point where because it's an inherently

15:27

quite light stressful thing that the your

15:29

bit knows, but it's you're quite tense

15:31

older through every episode because everything's such

15:33

methods of i. Didn't come and means

15:35

that No. it doesn't you do love so

15:37

i have with yeah i'm still quite i

15:40

stress from of it for him back of

15:42

the my daughter's gonna is gonna bite of

15:44

course i have a nice to emotions yeah

15:47

very much he says would say the point

15:49

is explosion stressful ilo island's been quite intense

15:51

not stressful but it was it was quite

15:53

intense on explode result stress or less suggests

15:56

that does does lots of fun the whole

15:58

jen just load plotline is is

16:00

a delight for men to talk about as well as

16:02

just to say that's yeah it's a

16:04

lot of fun and there was a character in there who

16:06

I was introduced to called Taylor

16:08

and her superpower is she can mind control

16:11

anyone with her own name. She

16:13

surrounds herself with people called Taylor because she can mind

16:15

control them. How they didn't squeeze a Taylor Swift gag

16:18

in there I do not understand. That felt like an

16:20

open goal to me that who am I to judge

16:22

but I uh yes I still I still really like

16:24

it. Maybe it was too first base no I know

16:26

that's too obvious or maybe they just thought they'd get

16:29

sued who knows but um yeah it

16:31

was fun unlike extraordinary and that

16:33

is what I've been watching well done well done

16:35

for crucially not just watching West Wing or Friends.

16:37

Well thank you thank you I have watched quite a lot of

16:39

friends I'm now at the I just finished season

16:43

eight this week I think which is the

16:45

two part of the one where Rachel gives

16:47

birth so it's where Rachel gives birth to

16:49

baby Emma and uh yeah

16:52

yeah so my re-watch of Friends which I have

16:54

not been talking about an awful lot generally speaking

16:56

but it is ongoing I'm plowing through it in

16:58

the background uh yes just finished uh

17:00

season eight I'll keep

17:02

you updated thanks. I mean now what's time

17:04

for every night by the way? You just

17:06

don't talk about it bang on the bell.

17:08

Yeah we just assume that that's because yeah

17:10

it's entirely fair. Now do you want us

17:13

to have this week's interview or shall we

17:15

segue into the listener question what do you

17:17

want to do next? Let's have the interview.

17:19

Let's have the interview it's okay fine well

17:21

this week's guest should need no introduction uh

17:23

Ewan McGregor stars in A Gentleman in Moscow

17:25

this week this is based on the novel

17:27

by Immortals and its landing on

17:29

Paramount Plus on Friday the 29th of March

17:31

and in this one he plays a member

17:33

of the Russian aristocracy who's kind of falls

17:35

foul of the Bolsheviks after the October Revolution

17:38

but that doesn't stop him from pausing to

17:40

drop by the pilot TV podcast and tell us all

17:43

about it so this is Ewan McGregor talking to a

17:45

model woman about a gentleman in Moscow which we are

17:47

going to be talking about a bit later on. We'd

17:50

Like to be joined on the pilot TV podcast

17:52

by the star of: A Gentleman in Moscow Mr

17:54

Ewan McGregor How are you sir? I'm really good.

17:57

How are you? I'm really good. Really good. Really

17:59

excited to. These you thought you

18:01

today and I've been loving this show.

18:03

They've given me seven episodes oppose them

18:05

all our I just gave me the

18:07

eighth one the final one by a

18:09

couple hours. Gabi was the as badly

18:12

enough for myself grab bag full of

18:14

eleven the show grant and as is

18:16

based on the best selling book by

18:18

A More Towels and I'm wondering did

18:20

you read that. Before. Or

18:22

after you at this get for the show. I

18:25

was anything but. He took away from the

18:27

novel that you put away or that effort

18:29

you put into mother uniforms. Yes, I. Mean

18:32

the truth is I think I'm a

18:34

bit vague and my memory the ice

18:36

I I was introduced a man called

18:38

Tom Harper who's a brace director producer

18:40

and he's a he's one of our

18:42

executive producers. I started speaking with him

18:44

and he introduced me to. Am.

18:47

A. Band Van Stone who is a writer.

18:50

Of. The Tv series and as show runners

18:52

an hour of after my meetings with

18:54

both of them and averaging probably I think

18:56

the first episode or maybe to I'm

18:58

not sure I was then I I knew

19:00

I wanted to do their separate my name

19:03

to it and we we start off

19:05

you know. And for early

19:07

while, that was just the three of us trying

19:09

to think about who's the best director and where's

19:11

the best who has the best way to do

19:13

it. And damn. That. A started

19:15

when the novel a more a morse

19:17

novel on them. I. Just loved

19:19

the I haven't enjoyed a book so much

19:22

in the long time. I I did and

19:24

never wanted it to. and you know from

19:26

from halfway through a started really slow reading

19:28

I was doing as do the couple of

19:31

pages a day x I just didn't ever

19:33

wanted to be finished. And and the truth

19:35

is that everything I do and front of

19:37

the camera is informed by the novel. I

19:40

mean everything. I just feel like he writes.

19:43

His widow who the car. That's why people

19:45

feel personal connection to the book. I think

19:47

because. His. Writing. Is.

19:50

still as lead becomes like a good book becomes

19:52

the readers book is there's you know the way

19:54

they've seen it as was often difficult to pull

19:56

off an adaption of a book on screen because

19:58

people are like, that's not what it should be

20:01

like, or that's not what it was like, you

20:03

know, for them. And but

20:05

he's such a wonderful writer that

20:07

I feel like we I got everything I needed

20:09

to play the count from his novel. And I

20:12

just, when I was in front of the camera,

20:14

I was just trying to be that, trying

20:16

to be the man I'd seen when I read the book, you

20:18

know. And there's a lot to the

20:21

count. Rostov, you feel a lot of regret, especially

20:23

for what happened with his sister, but a lot

20:25

of pride as well, even with what his country

20:27

has done to him. What was your way into

20:29

him? How did you unlock your picture of the

20:31

character, aside from the book cost?

20:33

Yeah, I feel like his that his

20:35

complexity is what makes him so fantastic

20:38

to play. I think as actors,

20:40

we're always looking for, you know,

20:42

a character that's got depth and layers and,

20:44

you know, just something to get your

20:47

teeth into. And some of the things you describe

20:49

here are all absolutely true

20:51

of him. He is he's

20:55

been imprisoned, albeit in this

20:57

amazing hotel, but his

21:01

circumstances are changed overnight. Not only

21:03

that, he's lost all of his

21:05

friends and his class,

21:08

his people are

21:10

he's not allowed to be who he is anymore,

21:13

right? They're not you're not allowed to be a

21:15

count anymore. You're not allowed to be. So

21:18

he's lost everybody that he knows,

21:20

except Petrov, his Prince Petrov,

21:22

who we see in episode one, his violin

21:25

playing Prince friend. Yeah,

21:29

he's living through that,

21:31

which must have been very

21:33

traumatic and difficult. Also,

21:37

in his past, he's lost his sister. And

21:39

we learned through the series that

21:41

he does have a very heavy

21:45

hand in why that happened and is

21:47

carrying the guilt of that and the

21:49

loss of the grief and

21:51

the loss of a sister. And in the

21:53

meantime, he believes in optimism

21:55

and he believes in making the best of

21:58

whatever is in front of your knows

22:00

and so he, so

22:03

all of those things at the same time are fun

22:05

to play with, you know, and I love

22:07

the way they've, uh,

22:09

Sam Miller, our director

22:11

has played with that in the

22:14

edit that we, that we do, we

22:16

do have, we do get to see the count alone

22:20

in quiet reflection and obviously

22:23

with a heavy heart at times. And we

22:25

don't necessarily exactly know why or what he's

22:27

thinking about, but we will do

22:29

later on, you know, as, as the, as a series

22:32

progresses. And I think that's, that's

22:34

really beautiful, um, direction

22:36

that he's brave enough to let

22:39

us have our own thoughts about things.

22:41

I imagine that another helpful

22:43

way into making you feel like

22:45

the count was the mustache and

22:48

this is the most important question I'll ask you this

22:50

entire chat. Is that all you, is

22:52

that mustache all you? Yeah, it's all me. I'll

22:55

tell you the absolute truth. Is I grew, I

22:57

did not want to have a stuck

22:59

on mustache. I've worn them in the past and they're

23:01

horrible to wear. You, you, you start,

23:04

you lose the, you don't

23:06

want to move your lip because the glue

23:08

lifts or you paint it'll ping off. And

23:10

so you become aware of it. And

23:13

I didn't want to be thinking about my

23:16

silly mustache. I wanted to be playing the count. So I

23:19

wanted total freedom and I knew the only way to do

23:21

that was to grow my own mustache. So I told them

23:23

right off the bat, I'm going to do

23:25

that. So we have to think about, you know,

23:27

as we shoot it, we're going to have to shoot

23:29

it more in story order because as

23:31

he, as he gets older, I want it to get smaller

23:34

and we'll have to trim it. And so

23:36

we don't, you know, we won't be able

23:38

to go back. Like we'll have to know

23:40

we've got all this first block done before

23:42

we move on. You know, so put a

23:44

few restrictions on the actual shooting

23:47

of it. But it was the, it was

23:49

of course the best idea because I had,

23:51

I did not have to worry about it.

23:53

And by the time we started at a

23:55

monster, a big old mustache, mine's blonde, like

23:57

I'm fair haired. So my mustache grows in.

24:00

really light and and there's white in it

24:02

now and so it

24:04

we darken that will everyday because

24:07

it's difficult to die of a facial hair if you

24:09

die it can look suddenly. A

24:11

bit groucho marks you know it's like that it doesn't

24:14

look real and i thought i'm not gonna grow my

24:16

own mustache and then make it look fake by dying

24:18

it so we colored every day. The

24:20

only bits are not me are the very

24:22

beginning his little curls are

24:24

because they had to be snapped off so. I

24:27

need to be snapped off on camera so we

24:30

couldn't do that to my actual mustache. I

24:33

or else we don't get one take you know you

24:35

can do two or three takes so

24:37

we have tiny little curls that glued

24:39

in underneath my mustache just for the

24:41

just for the wings at the beginning

24:44

and other than that everything in the whole show

24:46

is my own touch and then we have to

24:48

stop for the act to strike you know we

24:51

were stopped because the sag strike. For

24:53

months in the middle of our shoot and so

24:55

i had to keep the had to keep the

24:57

mustache yeah it looked up i

24:59

looked a bit crazy excited i died

25:01

my hair dark parent

25:03

hair and a yellow mustache so

25:05

i didn't. I didn't start match

25:07

you know i was it was i looked a bit awkward

25:10

for a while there in my own life. So

25:13

when the show was wrapped how

25:16

long after they call

25:18

cut for the final time i use the

25:22

waiting until you shave off the mustache and what was

25:24

that experience like it feel like you were saying goodbye

25:26

to the character when you did that. Yeah i think

25:28

it was about 15 minutes. We

25:32

wrapped we were

25:34

shooting the last scene we shot we

25:36

were in Halifax in the northeast of

25:38

England and we shot the

25:41

last see the outside it's the scene where i

25:43

carry. I

25:45

carry Sophia through from a taxi through the

25:47

snow to into a hotel and that was

25:50

our very last shot of the whole series

25:52

i carry i lifted her in my arms

25:54

i carried her into the hospital put her

25:56

down the door shut. on

26:00

my cat and then I went

26:02

outside and went okay we got it that's it

26:04

that is the show we've wrapped everyone was hugging

26:06

saying goodbye I got in the car went

26:09

drove five minutes to the makeup trailer walked into the

26:11

makeup trailer and shaved it off with the razor it's

26:13

right there and then it was

26:16

amazing it felt so good it felt

26:18

like it felt so good I'd had

26:20

it for it had it for a

26:22

year and a half by this point you know and

26:26

I miss it sometimes like I'm driving my kids

26:28

to school and I find my fingers going up

26:30

to play with it and I remember it's not there.

26:34

I love that. So

26:36

you talk about

26:38

the freedom having your own moustache

26:40

gives you on the show like this I imagine

26:43

there's also freedom in not having

26:45

to do a Russian accent what was

26:47

those discussions like was that ever on the table and yeah

26:49

did it feel freeing to not have to sort

26:51

of worry about doing that? Yeah

26:54

we didn't we never we I

26:56

mean we only ever discussed not doing it

26:58

that there was never there was never a

27:00

discussion to do it I mean it's you

27:02

know the there's

27:04

an already a there's already a

27:06

level of suspension of

27:08

disbelief in that you're

27:12

not speaking Russian where we're in Russia we're

27:14

all Russian we would be speaking Russian or

27:16

some of the aristocrats would be speaking French

27:18

but we're we're not we're

27:21

not we're speaking English so already you're

27:23

like okay so so

27:25

we can sound like what we want to sound

27:27

like and Sam was very very keen to allow

27:30

he wanted just the right

27:34

voice for the right character he didn't

27:37

really he didn't he

27:39

didn't want a universal sound he didn't want us

27:41

all to sound proper

27:43

English or so everybody

27:46

really was free to use to use whatever

27:48

accent they wanted to use most people use

27:51

their own accents and I

27:54

know my wife Mary wanted to sound it

27:57

was her chance to sound British for the first time

27:59

time, but at the same time she's playing a

28:03

movie star, so there's some sort of movie star

28:05

quality to her English accent.

28:07

And I just felt really, Sam

28:12

didn't mind, I think

28:14

didn't want me to, but

28:16

I felt very strongly that he should, he,

28:19

and I look like an aristocrat

28:21

in the hotel, I had to look like different,

28:24

you know, I represent people

28:26

that have been wiped out or taken

28:29

away or disallowed and so I did

28:31

want to, something about

28:33

him is maintaining his

28:35

aristocratic look which is a bit like

28:37

a fuck

28:40

you to the establishment. So in

28:42

that I wanted him to sound

28:45

like he was posh,

28:47

you know, so that's what I wanted to do.

28:51

It just felt right for him. I tried it in

28:53

rehearsal not sounding posh and just doing

28:55

it in my voice, but it just didn't

28:58

feel like him, it didn't feel like the

29:00

count anymore. So and

29:03

the way he speaks is so particular,

29:05

he's written, he loves language and he

29:07

loves a

29:11

great writing, obviously by the way he speaks. So

29:14

there was something about that sound that matched that

29:16

I suppose. And last couple questions as we wrap

29:18

up, there's a lot of beautiful exchanges in this

29:21

show. One of them I wrote down, it used

29:24

to take generations for a way of life to

29:26

fade. Now the process can occur in the blink

29:28

of an eye, which really stood

29:30

out to me. And you've been acting in movies

29:32

since 1994. Has there been anything

29:34

that used to be commonplace when you first

29:36

started out that has since faded away over

29:38

time in movie making and TV show making?

29:41

Yeah, it's always going to

29:44

change. You know, I think

29:46

there's another line where I say it is the business

29:48

of the times to change and the business of gentlemen

29:50

to change with them. And that's true

29:53

of filmmaking too. It's always going to

29:55

evolve and it's always going to

29:57

change. And the big change in

30:00

my experiences I started

30:03

working on film and

30:05

everything was shot on film and

30:08

now most everything is shot

30:10

on digital format and that has

30:13

made a change in the experience

30:16

on set. When

30:19

there's actual film rolling through a camera,

30:22

that's expensive, that's

30:24

money that's running through the camera because

30:26

it has to be processed and

30:29

when you're recording onto

30:32

a digital file that's

30:34

cheap. There's

30:38

a focus on

30:40

the actual take that's slightly changed

30:42

because it doesn't matter quite so much to

30:44

the people walking around

30:47

off set. For the actor it

30:49

still matters a great deal. The

30:51

take is the take and it's very

30:53

very important to us. It's the moment that

30:55

the audience will see and therefore it's our

30:57

only chance at this moment and

30:59

you want that focus to be high. On

31:03

the crew, you want everyone to be focused in so

31:05

that there's no distractions and it's not

31:08

ruined in some way. I feel like that

31:10

concentration of an actor is very fragile.

31:13

It's a fragile thing. It can easily

31:15

be broken. Somebody

31:19

walking across, I don't know, it can

31:22

easily be gone anyway. There's

31:24

been a shift there. There's been

31:26

a shift in the business. The

31:30

business has always been about money and

31:32

it always will be. People

31:36

that pay for films don't do it for fun. They

31:39

do it to make money and that's always going to

31:41

be the case. There's

31:46

always going to be that

31:49

creatives versus finance battle in

31:51

any art form, I suppose.

31:54

In art, a lot because it costs

31:56

a lot of money to do. It's expensive to make

31:58

a movie. and

32:01

i feel at the moment probably that

32:03

balance is tipped the

32:05

more with the money people being

32:07

in charge you know what i mean i'm holding up

32:09

hope for season two of obi one i love it

32:11

i'd love to go to go if i'm

32:14

open to doing playing him again but there's no there's no

32:16

talk of it yet we don't know. If

32:18

it's gonna happen yet i'm afraid to i can't tell you

32:21

thank you so much for your time i made take

32:23

care of this talk to you that was you mcgregor

32:26

this is k revere because it's time for

32:28

the listener question. This

32:30

question comes courtesy of henry davis who

32:32

says i've been rewatching slow horses this

32:34

week and loving it for the upteenth

32:36

time and it made me think are

32:38

there any recent shows i've been easy

32:40

constant rewatches for you recent james

32:42

not friends or west wing. So

32:47

like recent shows that he thinks

32:49

are like like rewatchable like

32:51

okay i'm gonna go mine aren't recent so

32:54

i am cheating but hang on hang

32:56

on hang on fine henry wouldn't mind i

32:58

think he might. I don't think i think

33:00

he just think so uh

33:03

shits creek i will

33:05

i have to rewatch but the other

33:07

one is motherland which is less recent

33:09

but i rewatch quite often. I

33:11

don't think it's that much less recent so it's

33:13

been a couple years since it was on last

33:15

wasn't it motherland it still feels quite real yeah

33:17

so motherland is a show that i have not

33:19

watched all of i really enjoyed it but i

33:22

i've seen some of each of the seasons but

33:24

i've never sat and watched through all of it.

33:27

What's wrong with so i have been meaning to go back

33:29

and do it so is

33:31

it too recent to do a pilot watch having

33:33

said that motherland is a bit like the office of parenting

33:36

in terms of excruciating cringe. It

33:39

is a bit cringe but it's not very cringe

33:42

but i but you you all kind of cringe

33:44

what's the word? Cringo

33:46

Mater yeah because motherland is totally based

33:49

on that i mean yeah yeah but

33:51

also you but i think you

33:54

like the characters like all of

33:56

the characters are quite like i mean lucy punches

33:58

character maybe that's so but she's great. Well,

34:00

except she gets her own kind of, you know,

34:02

backstory, which explains that when you meet her mother.

34:04

Yeah. No, no, no, no, no,

34:06

no, no, no, the, the, the, um, uh, cause I don't

34:08

know what Lucy Punches character's name is. Is it Amanda? Yeah.

34:12

Yeah. The kind of like, uh, the

34:14

Alpha, the, the Queen Bee of the mother vehicle. Yes. That's

34:17

right. Um, but yeah, they're all, they're all great. And I think motherland's a

34:19

great show, but I've been meaning to, I have been meaning to, it's been

34:21

on my watch list to just binge through all of them. Well,

34:23

you know, um, Paul Reddy as well. So

34:25

that's a double insult. Well, perhaps what we should

34:27

do is what we should do is we should watch all

34:29

of motherland and then get Paul on to talk about motherland.

34:32

If you do it already shows this week. Yeah.

34:37

Uh, yeah, maybe we should do that. Um, I

34:39

mean, I have said this before, but I

34:41

can confirm that I've watched the current last

34:44

season of Kirk. Every

34:46

episode that's gone out so far, which is up to

34:48

eight and nine is on today as this post, as

34:50

this podcast goes out four times. What

34:53

is wrong with you? I watched

34:57

them twice over for my Larry

34:59

interview. Then I watched a

35:01

couple again, just, just, just because, and

35:04

then I watched them when they go out live kind of

35:06

to the on-sky comedy as well. So basically boys off

35:08

to his meeting. Hi, my name's Boyd Hilton. I

35:10

am a curve. Yes. Yes.

35:13

Wow. Yeah. Yeah.

35:15

So there's that, uh, this week's episode, by the

35:17

way, is an all time classic with Bruce Springsteen

35:19

heavily featured, which is absolutely fantastic. Next week is

35:21

the finale. Could not be more excited. I don't

35:23

know. I don't know. Especially

35:25

events. I'm with it. Because he

35:28

didn't get fit. Did you know no, no, no, no,

35:30

no. You actually are you going to watch it four

35:32

times back to back? Just to get things out. Probably. Yeah,

35:35

maybe I will. Yeah. Um, so

35:37

there's that. And what, well, actually slow horses. I've watched

35:39

a few times. That is

35:41

a very, very watchable show because

35:44

it's absolutely constantly funny. You forget

35:46

how brilliantly they deploy not so

35:49

much jokes, but funny bits throughout the

35:51

show. Um, really, really rewatchable.

35:53

Actually, I rewatch it for Gary Oldman because his

35:56

character. Every moment with Gary Oldman

35:58

is gold for sure. new

36:00

things. But it has

36:03

a comfort watch quality to it. Even

36:05

though it's actually quite knotty and it's

36:07

quite plotty and it's really well written.

36:10

It's knotty, and other words that rhyme

36:12

with knotty. It's

36:15

quite tautty. Despite

36:17

all that, there is something just quite

36:19

warm and inviting and almost soothing about

36:21

it, which I rather like. So yeah,

36:23

that's kind of a good shower. The

36:26

thing that I've kind of got at the moment is I know I was

36:28

about to say I don't have time to rewatch things, but that's patently

36:31

untrue as you both know. But certainly

36:34

I don't do it deliberately. It'll normally be that

36:36

I'll fall down a rabbit hole like when we

36:38

did Banshee for From the Vault and Pilot Plus.

36:40

And then I watched every episode of Banshee because

36:42

I couldn't stop once we'd started. It was always

36:45

a danger. Very nearly went down a spooks hole

36:47

when we did spooks on Pilot Plus and binge

36:49

all whatever it is, eight or nine seasons of

36:51

that. And the thing that stopped me doing it,

36:54

luckily, was we watched the first episode of Pilot

36:56

Plus because the second episode of spooks is so

36:58

traumatic. That's what stopped me pressing on

37:00

because I couldn't face watching the second episode. So that's what

37:02

saved me. Yes, in fact, actually, I mean,

37:04

this would usually be a post bag type thing,

37:06

but we had a message from Kieran Lee about

37:09

that because he was saying the second episode of

37:11

spooks traumatized him so much. It put him off

37:13

the show altogether and he never ended up going

37:15

back to it. Never went back to it. Understandable. But

37:18

the thing is, it's a weird blip because that's

37:20

the only episode like it in the whole run.

37:22

There are some serious ones, some hard hitting ones,

37:24

but nothing as traumatic as that. And that's our

37:26

second episode. So I imagine they put off quite

37:28

a few people to say, imagine if you had

37:30

the Negan episode of The Walking Dead with the

37:32

baseball bat and that was episode two. That's

37:35

quite a roll of the dice. Yeah,

37:37

that would be a lot to deal with. We've successfully talked

37:39

around this question without answering it. I answered it. I'm a

37:42

lot to answer. Can we answer it? Yeah, points answered. Yeah,

37:44

I've answered it. Oh, I see. But you were disqualified, Kieran,

37:46

on the technicality. Why? Because you did exactly what he asked

37:48

you not to and went back to a

37:50

legacy show. Motherland and... Yeah,

37:53

is it that long? Schitt's Creek. Schitt's Creek

37:56

is disqualified. Motherland, I might let you have.

37:58

Schitt's Creek's more recent than... I

38:00

think they're both about the same. No, right, I'm going to

38:02

Google it. I bet the last episode of both of them

38:04

is around the same time. Actually, James, you do, look.

38:06

Number crunch. Lazy. You can't even

38:08

look further to Google. No,

38:11

because you'll do it because you want to be proven right. No, no,

38:13

no. I'm perfectly happy to accept if you wish to

38:15

be right. That's fine. Ah, thanks. I'm

38:18

not sure that I have an answer to this

38:20

because I don't think, I

38:23

can't think of a recent show that

38:25

I have rewatched. I don't tend to

38:27

rewatch recent stuff. So when we do...

38:30

Breeders. Breeders. I'm not sure I'm

38:32

talking about that. But even films,

38:34

like for Empire, so I watched

38:36

Dune twice, but it's unusual for

38:38

me to watch two films

38:41

twice in succession when they first

38:43

come out. I like to let it mellow for

38:45

a while and then sort of revisit it. Doesn't

38:47

breathe. Exactly, exactly that. Because

38:50

I watch this quite long generally, I don't really feel like I

38:52

have to do it. You have to ask the question. Yeah, I

38:54

don't have an answer. Okay, well, listen, you haven't

38:56

let me down. You've let Henry Davey. I've let

38:58

Henry down. Yeah, okay. I'm sorry, Henry. All right.

39:02

Well, that was, I guess, a kind of listener question. It's kind

39:04

of hard to say. If you would

39:06

like your question addressed on this particular podcast,

39:08

then do come at us at

39:11

Pilot TV Pod on Instagram or on

39:13

Twitter or hit K up directly by

39:15

going round to her house, failing that.

39:19

It's at K Romero on the Twitters. Excellent.

39:21

Let's move on now to news. And

39:23

the only place to start, as Boyne

39:25

pointed out, is the BAFTA nominations dropped

39:27

just before we got into the studio.

39:29

I have literally no idea what's happened,

39:31

but I'm assured that Boyne does. What's

39:34

happening, Boyne? Well, I can break to you

39:36

the news that the, so the shows with

39:39

the most nominations are, as follows, the Crown

39:41

8, Demon

39:43

79, which was an episode

39:45

of Black Mirror. Oh, right. The episode of Black Mirror has

39:47

got seven. Happy Valley, seven.

39:50

Slow Horses, six. The

39:52

Sixth Commandment, six. And Succession Six. So

39:55

those three shows, Slow Horses, Sixth Commandment,

39:57

Succession Six. The Sixth Commandment, written, of

39:59

course. by a friend of the pod, Sarah

40:01

Phelps, Phelps C, congratulations to her. Those

40:04

are three of the best shows literally of a

40:06

large, in the last few years and they've all

40:09

got, they're all heavily nominated along with Happy Valley.

40:12

Then in terms of who's got nominated for what in the main

40:14

categories, I mean, there are loads of categories. All I'll say, I'll

40:16

tell you. The Bear. Actress. Oh,

40:19

well, okay. If you want to go to that

40:21

category, which is international

40:23

program. Here

40:25

we go. The Bear indeed has been nominated. Beef

40:28

on Netflix. Class Act? What's

40:31

Class Act? Now, it's a fraction. That's what

40:33

it is. A

40:35

relentlessly ambitious working

40:37

class man becomes one of France's most

40:39

controversial public figures. Okay. Fictionalised

40:42

biopic of Bernard Tappi. There you go.

40:44

K, as our non-English language correspondent,

40:46

I'm deeply disappointed in you for not knowing this.

40:49

I know, I've had other complaints recently. But other nominees

40:51

in that category, The Last of Us, you were pleased to know.

40:54

Yes. Love and Death, which was

40:56

on ITVX. I mean, sure. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And

40:59

of course, Succession. Of course. Which

41:02

you'd think would win. But I had this last

41:04

time because it was nominated last year

41:06

or the year before. And I remember going to the BAFTAs

41:08

and saying to Jesse Armstrong, obviously you're going to win. And

41:11

he's like, I don't know, he didn't win. It was being

41:13

BAFTAs. Aw, awkward, boy. Yeah, it was awkward. No,

41:16

don't count it. But I mean, it's got to win this year. I

41:19

mean, it could be the Bear, but I think it would be the best. But

41:22

in terms of the acting, big acting categories,

41:24

Best Actress and John of Assant for Demon

41:26

79 Black Mirror and Reid for The Sith

41:28

Commandments. Yeah. Bella Ramsey for The

41:30

Last of Us. James. I just keep thinking James

41:32

has been like the publicist for The Last of Us because it's his favorite

41:34

show. Helena Bonham Carter for Nolly, which

41:36

I'm very absolutely thrilled about. Rossity Davis will be

41:38

delighted. Sarah Langish here, heavy favorite for

41:41

Happy Valley, of course. And Sharon Hallgren in Best

41:43

Interest. Do you remember Best Interest? Yeah. You

41:45

remember the court battle over the kid. Brilliant.

41:48

Best Actor Brian Cox, Succession. Dominic

41:51

West, The Crown. Kane Robinson,

41:53

Top Boy. Papa SCA do

41:55

The Lazarus Project. Good. I'm

41:58

thrilled. Friend of the Pod. Timothy

42:00

Spool for the 6th Commandment. Fantastic. And best

42:02

of all, and I'm so pleased about this.

42:05

Can you guess what I'm pleased about? Because it's

42:07

controversial. Cuggan. Yes. Cuggan, as Jimmy Savile

42:09

in the recommend, I think he's brilliant

42:12

because they could have avoided that, you

42:14

know, for sure, but quite rightly he's

42:16

been nominated. I'm very pleased that Papa S.E.A. got

42:18

nominated there because I would have thought Lazarus might have

42:20

been the kind of show that they would overlook being,

42:23

you know, snooty. But it's great and I

42:26

love it. And I think he is just

42:28

amazing in it. So same. I'll just do

42:30

the same. Sorry, there's those. I won't do

42:32

every category. Honest, because it will be here.

42:35

But sporting actor, Amit Shah, Fappy Valley, Ian

42:38

Hardwick. Ian Hardwick, do you remember? Oh, Ian

42:40

was great. I've got a plan for his

42:42

name. I'm going to get to my favorite

42:44

in a minute. Jack Loudon, Slow Horses, the

42:46

aforementioned Matthew McFady in succession. This is an

42:48

incredible category. Salim Dor for the crown.

42:50

Who did Salim Dor play in the crown? I knew you

42:52

could ask that. Oh, isn't

42:55

it Mohammed? Yes, I think so. Oh, yeah.

43:00

Someone check that. Good. And best of

43:03

all, I think this is a real surprise. Have you seen,

43:05

have you got this in front of you? I do know

43:07

what you're going to do. Harris Dickinson for a murder at

43:09

the end of the world. Yeah, that's a good show. Brilliant

43:11

show. He's so good in that. So good. Sorting

43:13

actress Elizabeth DeBicki, the crown. She played

43:16

Diana, obviously. Harriet Waters, succession, brilliant. Jasmine

43:18

Joffson, top boy, brilliant. Leslie Manville, the

43:20

crown. Brilliant. Nico Parker, The

43:22

Last of Us. Yes. And she's

43:24

all Finneran who may well win. Oh, I would love

43:26

her to win. In Happy Valley. I feel like she

43:28

is overlooked. Could I just say Nico Parker for The

43:31

Last of Us, that is a big deal bearing in

43:33

mind. She is in one episode of that show. I

43:35

was going to say, she's not in much. No, she's

43:37

just in the prologue. She is just a brilliant, amazing,

43:39

hell of a performer. Yeah, it's brilliant. Yeah. So

43:42

the big category is drama series, The

43:44

Gold. Remember The Gold? I do. Yes.

43:46

Happy Valley, of course. Absolutely. Nice

43:49

to see that. And top boy. So the

43:51

top boy thing, this is something, top boy

43:53

is currently quite high on the

43:55

list of things I really should watch. I said this when

43:58

you did. I've

44:00

been called out about this a number of times. I got

44:02

to watch top boy. I really do you do limited

44:05

drama best interests BBC one

44:07

demon 79 which is clearly the episode they

44:09

put in for black mirror. Yeah, the long

44:11

shadow Yeah, which is the very good and

44:13

the sixth commandment. Yeah, well done. Felpsy fantastic

44:15

Scripted comedy big boys. Yeah, his favorite. Yeah,

44:18

do you mean whilst black? Oh,

44:20

I love that one such brave

44:22

girls Brilliant and extraordinary. Mmm So

44:26

there's only three categories K Three

44:29

candidates which says a lot about the

44:31

declining and there's casualty in Emmerdale. Yeah.

44:33

Yeah I

44:35

won't go into entertainment programs. It's almost not

44:37

really us Any

44:40

others are you invited really going? I

44:43

think I'm going I was on the jury. Oh, this

44:45

is what we should mention Sorry, I knew there was

44:47

something I forgot to say is memorable moment I was

44:49

on the jury to decide the nominees to memorable moments,

44:51

which is the only category voted for by the viewers

44:54

And and it's the best I think I've been doing this catch

44:56

you for years now I think probably like five six seven years,

44:58

but I think this is the best Nominations

45:00

really even better than your nomination of the

45:02

micro Waver moment. Yes The

45:10

equivalent of micro James

45:12

is in Beckham when David

45:14

teased Victoria about her working class. This

45:16

is the Rolls-Royce bit. Yeah. Yeah It's

45:18

the Rolls-Royce even I've seen that bit.

45:20

Yeah, then I mean this is great stuff.

45:23

Dr. Who shooty gut was Reveal

45:26

when David Tennant. That's great. I'm a great

45:28

man. It's a great scene Happy

45:30

Valley Catherine K. Would and Tommy Lee Roy

45:32

our final showdown in the kitchen brilliant the

45:34

last of us Bill and Frank story I

45:36

mean, that's I mean, I know I'm here

45:38

for it, but that's an entire episode not

45:40

a moment We I mean, I probably can't

45:43

talk about the two losses in the jury

45:45

It was discussed which bit do you choose? But I dialed

45:48

me in on speaker phone. I've been I think you're fine

45:50

Yes, but there was a huge amount of love for that.

45:52

It should have been if you were gonna dial it in

45:54

It should have been the final dinner scene. Well, that is

45:56

kind of days to say yeah So that when they if

45:58

it won if it wins, we should because he

46:00

spoke to the public, has a massive, by

46:02

the way, fan base, that's what they're looking

46:05

for. That's what they'll show. It is that

46:07

moment, effectively. The piano, which

46:10

is the Channel 4 show about amateur

46:12

pianists, Claudia's show, that's when this girl

46:14

called Lucy was 13, performed the piano

46:16

in front of commuters at the change

46:18

station, which was amazing, not by James.

46:21

And succession, Logan Roy's death. Now this

46:23

is another example. Which specific one? Right.

46:25

Well, we have the discussion again in

46:27

the room. And I think I

46:31

made the point that it's the whole episode, this is

46:34

death, really. But it is literally when

46:37

all the kids on the phone... Because he

46:39

dies off camera. Yeah, he does it, since

46:41

he's not off camera. Yeah, sure. But there

46:43

was discussion about do you do that moment

46:45

or do you do the last, the climax

46:47

of the whole show, when she puts a

46:49

hand on Matthew McFady and that bit. But

46:52

I agree with this choice that it's all about Logan Roy's

46:54

death. That was such a shocking... Which would you choose from

46:56

that category? It's fucking difficult, I tell

46:59

you. But do you know what, to be honest with you? I think

47:02

I'm going to go for by Tiny

47:05

Margis Happy Valley.

47:07

Are you allowed to say this? Aren't you voting

47:10

in this category? No, no. It's a public vote.

47:12

It's a public vote. Okay, fine. That's when my

47:14

vote would go forward. Just as a TV moment,

47:16

I think that confrontation is one of the great

47:19

things. I think I would agree with you that

47:21

only because my beloved last of us is disqualified

47:23

on a technicality because that's an episode not moment.

47:25

Except not disqualified. In your mind. In my mind

47:27

it's disqualified on a technicality. Whereas that, I think

47:30

again, it's one of those classic things that what

47:32

Sally Wainwright did there. She gave us what we

47:34

needed, not what we wanted. And it was such

47:36

a bold bit of screenwriting to do something

47:38

so subversive and so not what you

47:41

were expecting that they're almost cordial to

47:43

each other. After all these seasons of

47:45

hatred, it's just magnificent. Yeah, magnificent. Oh,

47:47

I should mention the writer. Let's do

47:49

the writer nominees. So comedy writer, Jack

47:51

Rook for Big Boys, Jamie Demichu for

47:53

a whole life too. Jamie, it was

47:55

that very funny sketch on Netflix. Kat

47:58

Sadler for such a brave good. which

48:00

has got a lot of recognition rightly and my one

48:02

Ridgeman I'm very excited to be a drama

48:06

Charlie Brooker and Bishop K Ali for demon

48:08

79 Jesse I was drawn for succession Sally

48:10

wayne right for happy Valley and felt see

48:12

for the sixth commandment our category and the

48:15

actual BAFTAs themselves will be held on the

48:17

12th of May wall weekend that is right

48:19

because not only have you got the BAFTAs

48:21

on the Sunday you've got the Eurovision Sun

48:24

conscious on the second oh who starting

48:26

before it which was revealed this week and absolutely with

48:28

a double bill of episodes before Eurovision

48:31

fantastic and asked to play Man United

48:33

as well weekend I mean

48:36

I mean what could we possibly what

48:38

I mean how could we be expected

48:40

to choose gigantic I do feel bad

48:42

because I didn't get on with such

48:45

brave girls surprise surprise but yeah yeah

48:48

clearly clearly I'm very much in the money

48:50

okay well that was the TV BAFTAs yeah

48:52

there is more news I'm a sort of

48:54

me no I mean in sick and I'm

48:56

sick of my own voice no no carry

48:58

on yeah it was all so as long

49:00

as well as being confirmed just after thinking we did

49:02

the last podcast that doctor who will premiere on the

49:04

11th of May do we talk about last week at

49:07

midnight so it's gonna be

49:09

good so bearing your mind some huge for Disney Plus

49:11

now as well yeah so it's gonna

49:13

run on Disney Plus 7 p.m. American time

49:15

New York time which means it's gonna arrive

49:17

on the I play at midnight on that

49:19

Saturday which has been proved controversial I tweeted

49:21

this out when it was announced I had

49:23

loads of people saying to me that you

49:25

know it means you can't review it communally

49:27

blah blah blah but I think I think

49:29

I think that's right I think you people

49:31

will still view watch it communally but people

49:33

also have the thrill like if I was

49:35

a teenager now oh my god one minute

49:37

post midnight I can watch Doctor Who on

49:39

on that Saturday I'll be absolutely delighted so

49:41

that's a huge thing then later than they

49:44

just announced yesterday the big news that Stephen

49:46

Moffat has written an episode of

49:48

this new series they're not going into detail

49:51

but that is very exciting stuff and I have kept this

49:53

a secret I've known this for I

49:55

think nine months oh my

49:57

yeah me no I'm not anyone and you

49:59

know how I knew and this is the Edinburgh

50:02

TV Festival I saw him that's Muffet's

50:07

always there the Edinburgh TV Festival that's where he met his brilliant

50:09

wife right so he always goes to be a arguably and I

50:11

saw him there and he was on a podium they

50:14

have podiums in the in the reception area

50:16

if you like in a corner and he

50:18

said he looked he saw me motion him

50:20

to come over and on his laptop visibly

50:23

with the script with Doctor Who at the

50:25

top and I was like oh like that

50:27

oh brilliant he goes no no no shut

50:29

his laptop he goes no I can't hold anyone it's a

50:31

massive secret no one's gonna know you can't tell anyone and

50:33

I haven't told anyone since Wow yeah so

50:36

let me go very excited very discreet man

50:38

very discreet you can tell me anything I'll

50:41

keep it secret any other

50:43

news well yes there has been some other

50:45

news in that there was a trailer that

50:47

dropped for Star Wars acolyte oh yeah which

50:49

is one of the more exciting Star Wars

50:52

shows coming up and I have

50:54

to say I would blown away by it

50:56

and I've become quite cynical about these but

50:58

genuinely looks it looks different it looks new

51:01

I love their post they've got this poster

51:03

where it shows it's got like a lightsaber

51:05

it's got a blood smear coming out the

51:07

end of it so it looks like a

51:09

red sip lightsaber but yeah it feels it

51:12

feels like it has a very distinct identity obviously

51:14

you can't tell much from a trailer but this

51:16

has made me very very excited for the acolyte

51:18

which I think drops in June yes and I

51:20

know why particularly excited about it as well why

51:22

is that because someone involved was

51:25

the star or someone said they haven't used

51:27

the volume do you see that I didn't

51:29

see that oh well now they made a

51:31

point I think it was the writer lead

51:33

writer or someone said yeah in variety or

51:35

somewhere I saw and I immediately thought of

51:37

you yeah I thought that I'm not using

51:39

the volume doing they're doing it just for

51:41

me I think it's completely you know

51:43

what he's absolutely right we didn't move away from

51:45

the volume yeah go full and or turn down

51:47

the volume yeah yeah hundred

51:51

percent yeah I know no so I'm

51:53

pretty excited about that Kay obviously you are thrilled and

51:55

looking forward counting down the days to and

51:57

we can we can review that one couldn't be more

51:59

exciting was properly so we were going to review X-Men

52:01

97 on Pilot Plus and we couldn't get the screeners

52:04

in time and as we said Kay she had a

52:06

tear. She was well well found

52:08

out. I think they have sent them now.

52:10

They did. Maybe we should do a special episode.

52:13

I love what they did. They

52:16

did them now. I mean it literally dropped to

52:18

Disney Plus today. Oh yeah. At one

52:20

point James was like we could get up early

52:22

and watch it and then we were like no.

52:24

And Kay was like yeah. I

52:26

know I know here's an alternative idea how about we

52:29

don't. Well

52:31

we didn't get the screeners in time so that has to

52:33

be done. There is

52:35

a Gucci saga set for

52:37

TV adaptation. So

52:40

obviously we've had the film House

52:42

of Gucci and now we're getting a TV

52:44

adaptation with the real life Gucci family on

52:46

board as part of the production team. So

52:49

quite excited for that. I mean it feels like every

52:51

week we're getting a new TV show dedicated to a

52:53

fashion designer. Yawn. Why not another one? Wow.

52:55

Sorry I'm so over the fashion designer. It depends. I'll

52:57

give it the

53:04

benefit of the doubt but as long as it isn't

53:06

about a maverick who's being rude to everyone in the

53:08

telly-ay then I'll be fine. Also the Gucci story is

53:11

like you know. It's interesting. Yeah

53:13

but wasn't it House of Gucci? Yeah it was

53:15

House of Gucci. Yeah. At least like. Really Scott.

53:17

Yeah yeah. I mean New Look had the benefit

53:19

of having Nazis and stuff in it to keep

53:21

it interesting. But you never think you'd

53:24

hear that sense. No it's true. It's approved by the presence

53:26

of Nazis. James as we know is a bit fan of

53:28

the Nazis. Well I mean wow. I mean this podcast has

53:30

gone in

53:35

a weird direction. Also he doesn't

53:37

deny it. No. Wow. Yeah. Hey no

53:39

no I'm like in that show I

53:41

was Like if the Nazis

53:43

had not been here I'd have been out. but

53:45

the presence of. He's actually doubling doubt. Yeah I

53:48

am. The World War II Aspect to that and

53:50

the fact that she has dinner with was it

53:52

Goering or Himmler? I can't remember. Himmler. Himmler. That's

53:54

just dinner with Himmler. I mean just I mean

53:56

it's so absolutely outrageous. This at least is keeping

53:58

me from getting. Board when they talk about

54:01

sewing. Like I say, James number one

54:03

is right. Sides of the Gucci specific

54:05

Assess Assess Assess Oh my knees.

54:07

Ah, is there any other news?

54:09

I don't know that there has

54:11

been. Ah let me have a

54:13

quick look mail writing Yellow Jackets

54:15

Season Three that was not they

54:17

on the production Atheism is ties

54:19

like absolutely no is so yeah.

54:21

I'm assuming I my side of

54:23

the has wind someone's am. I

54:25

don't know how much other of

54:27

a news that is in the

54:29

Tv from. Unfortunately has been a

54:31

particularly wilde week and. Netflix has

54:33

revealed assess trailer for Korean Horace

54:35

I Fly series Parasite The Gray

54:37

which. Office of such

54:39

as is as were scattered could you know

54:41

of? Funny enough and in before I came

54:44

here there's loads a Tv. chances are boring

54:46

buses in this week in the wrong to

54:48

is that we were working on lies some

54:50

Heat magazine or other Tv magazines and bow

54:52

us as dog enough to put the aid

54:54

because those comes dropping elephant sense of mouth

54:57

things up an elephant since he can thank

54:59

me for thousands of our games throughout the

55:01

previous. You on our own say it's very

55:03

nice very very. You know these are such

55:05

a bit of what countries from any soil

55:07

as well for him. Subtitled the or

55:10

three months previous x wait, you're

55:12

not spending on them and buggers

55:14

yes, depending on embargoes in the

55:16

others as a threat of chaos

55:18

which we saw the Netflix kind

55:20

of for that that old either.

55:22

they did. Circus. Most off

55:24

of us the Jeff Goldblum as

55:27

Zeus godson Assumption: No excitement, any.

55:29

I knew I was a site really watch that in

55:31

the in the him at the next six of. Beth

55:33

and obsessed with Godzilla. This is truly

55:35

a consensual and is assumed bit of

55:38

deal or minus one. We're sort of

55:40

com way to sit down as a

55:42

surrogate to arrive on them, know it's

55:44

streaming and near on the men that

55:46

now likely will get easier for it,

55:48

but you know you gotten Godzilla x

55:50

com to tide you. I've avoided yes

55:52

well since these are you doing that

55:54

on Wednesday. Armor piercing from. Catfights,

55:58

Sprites Okay. I think that

56:00

is it for news. I think we're done with that.

56:02

In which case it's probably time to move on to

56:05

the review section of this podcast. Three

56:07

new shows for you to feast your eyes on. And the

56:09

first one we're going to begin with is the

56:11

six part channel four comedy, big

56:13

mood, which starts former dairy girl

56:15

and sometime lady feathering to Nickler

56:18

Coughlin as Maggie, who has

56:20

been best friends with Eddie played by Lydia West

56:22

for ever. And this show, the setup of which

56:24

I have to be honest, isn't entirely clear seems

56:27

to chart the ups and downs of

56:29

their friendship amidst Maggie struggle with

56:31

what I think is being

56:33

portrayed as bipolar disorder, right? Yeah. Which

56:36

is something that you kind of, you, you've come

56:39

to understand as the episode sort of plays out,

56:41

but this particular episode is around a school reunion

56:43

thing. So it has, it has, it's a very

56:45

specific, well, anyway, I'll get into that in a

56:47

minute, but, but I would make a joke now,

56:49

uh, about Kay doing it and

56:51

big mood, but apparently I'm too scared to do it.

56:53

So, uh, why don't you tell us about the show?

56:56

Yeah. You all right to hold back on that? Yeah.

57:00

As you say, so, uh, Nicola

57:02

Coughlin stars as Maggie, she has

57:04

bipolar disorder and she

57:06

has best friends with Eddie played by Lydia

57:09

West. And in this first episode, um, Maggie

57:11

is, she comes up with a bright idea.

57:13

She wants to go back to our old

57:15

school and give a talk. So she is

57:18

a playwright, not massively successful one, but she

57:20

wants to go back to old school because

57:22

she remembers fancying the, um, history teacher and

57:25

there, and, um, so she thinks that if she

57:27

goes back, she'll catch his eye. Cause she knows

57:29

he's still there and they might cop

57:31

off. So that's basically the plan. Perfectly reasonable.

57:34

Yeah. I mean, listen, it's a,

57:36

it's a absolutely realistic meet. Who among

57:38

us has not done the same thing? Exactly. And, um,

57:40

he was her knight in shining armor because

57:42

basically she, in a flashback, we see that

57:44

she was at once at the school disco

57:46

and a very leche. Actually, in fact, it

57:48

was the, I don't know which teacher was

57:50

one teacher. I believe it was a maths teacher. Was it a Maths

57:52

teacher? Right. It Got a bit handsy with her

57:54

and this, um, Mr. Wilson, the history teacher came

57:56

and saved her, but it turns out maybe because

57:58

he had his eyes open. You

58:00

sound pretty the bit grim, but yeah,

58:03

It's all about that in A. and he

58:05

is incredibly and incredibly supportive friends because even

58:08

nice she probably thinks this is there a

58:10

really bad idea and is very call class

58:12

she goes along and even though she's having

58:14

her own school drama in the background of

58:16

i really like this I thought it was

58:19

really. Funny. which he wouldn't necessarily

58:21

expects you to ring says subjects that.

58:23

Bipolar. Disorder. But yeah it's really

58:26

amazing and may be lawful and

58:28

it's about is about the solidarity

58:30

of this female friendship. yeah the

58:32

early thirties navigating lice and mental

58:34

illness and I really enjoyed I

58:36

thought was really funny. Can also

58:39

courses are both. He said degrees more

58:41

was alluding to the setup. Movies are

58:43

you are so insistent the I enjoyed

58:45

the show Spoiler Spot I I thought

58:47

this felt like. A middle

58:49

episode rather than a first episode and a

58:52

men's nice because unless I missed it the

58:54

bipolar thing is not addressing to quite like

58:56

in the episodes unless your sister when he

58:58

starts to com there is sourced as establishing

59:00

their to is no of these your characters

59:03

this is process up and we laugh Austin

59:05

This is what the same as don't debates

59:07

on this wasn't about this first episode is

59:09

very much ice. it's a it's a device

59:11

plot driven up. such a thing happens disperses

59:13

have a specific thing happens which is distinct

59:16

to this episode. Three feels like an episode

59:18

to episode three when. You've already established what's

59:20

gonna happen and then this this escapade happens was

59:22

always there is a my I'm enjoying this blog.

59:24

Don't know what the show is about? I couldn't.

59:26

If you. Pin. Me downs honey, What the

59:28

premise of the showers? You. Wouldn't wouldn't you just think

59:30

when it when you meet is what she would need

59:32

to think is about friendship says. Yes, I've city and

59:35

that is what it's about. buying. To say it's

59:37

like maybe it's a i don't know Maybe they

59:39

have sought the would have the athletes may them

59:41

slight on. So I know I think it was

59:43

her. those one of them are now I don't have been

59:45

labeled. Mean I love This is not a mental ill.

59:47

I I knew to be spoon fed wasn't a severe.

59:50

Mental. Health like comedy. Drama is like

59:52

about friendship and it's kind of not incidental

59:54

but like of the she does have by

59:56

pilot. The out and bow sorry

59:58

it's about how. people with something

1:00:01

like bipolar don't want to be seen

1:00:03

as someone with bipolar. So it's not

1:00:05

the only thing about them. No, no,

1:00:07

no, exactly. But the show is called

1:00:10

Big Mood. I know, but it's absolutely

1:00:12

deliberate by the writer Camilla Whitehill, I

1:00:15

think, to not ram the point home

1:00:17

early on because it would, I think

1:00:19

that does make you think immediately it's

1:00:21

about the label and it's about that

1:00:24

syndrome, it's about that mental

1:00:26

health issue, if you like. You

1:00:28

really need to know, I think it's about

1:00:30

James' way to think about it, in a

1:00:32

very possible way, all you really

1:00:34

need to know is she has issues, her

1:00:37

best mate has issues, they're kind of co-dependent,

1:00:39

we're never quite sure what that actually means,

1:00:41

but I think it means that they're not

1:00:43

dealing with the issues because they're relying on

1:00:45

each other to help out in a way.

1:00:48

Do you know what I mean? I don't know if they're

1:00:50

co-dependent, I think they're just best friends, right? Well

1:00:53

that word was thrown around in the... By the way,

1:00:55

I'm at slight advantage because I went to the launch

1:00:58

of the show. Oh, so you got the inside

1:01:00

scoop? I got the inside scoop and not

1:01:02

yet unusually, and this is put into your

1:01:04

point actually, is that they showed three episodes

1:01:06

and in fact, the whole bipolar issue is

1:01:09

really full grounded in episode three when we

1:01:11

meet her therapist. Absolutely

1:01:13

brilliantly have to say, played by Sally Phillips,

1:01:15

who is hilarious. And

1:01:18

if you want to see a bad therapist depicted, which

1:01:20

I think is a really common thing, because friends of

1:01:22

mine have done that, you know that online one where

1:01:25

you can have... Oh, CBT? No,

1:01:27

no, online therapists, what's it called? It's like a... Anyway, there's

1:01:29

loads of ads for it. Talking therapy. Talking therapy, but

1:01:31

you do it on your iPod or iPad or whatever,

1:01:33

and people go through them because some of them are

1:01:35

terrible. Some of them are terrible, and this one, oh,

1:01:38

I think it's really amusingly terrible. Anyway... What

1:01:40

have been afterlife? I'm kind of on a

1:01:42

par, kind of on a par, it's a good

1:01:44

example, yeah, the other one in afterlife, the shrieking

1:01:46

afterlife. But yeah, so that becomes the

1:01:48

thing that's about in that third episode, kind of

1:01:50

halfway through the series. I'm just, I knew that

1:01:52

was coming. That's interesting, they've kind of

1:01:55

put it back, because I get what you're saying, like

1:01:57

about not setting that out and defining the show by

1:01:59

it, but it's curious. that because when I watched this

1:02:01

first episode I was uncloshed like I don't get why

1:02:03

this is called big mood I'm like and it wasn't

1:02:06

until it kind of felt I was like oh right

1:02:08

now I get it yeah but I thought it was

1:02:10

a very interesting way of framing it. The kids use

1:02:12

a lot it's the other thing in big mood you

1:02:14

know it's a common phrase among youth the youth. I

1:02:17

mean hanging out with the kids as I do yeah

1:02:19

I obviously know that. I know but the bottom line

1:02:21

is this is funny it's raw it's

1:02:23

real. Can I point out one gag

1:02:26

I relight. Yes. So Eddie

1:02:28

goes along to this school to support

1:02:30

her friend and poses

1:02:32

as her publicist and she calls herself

1:02:35

Adele Dazeem which to for me. That was a good

1:02:37

gag. That John Travolta, Adina Menzel,

1:02:39

Confusion. There's a great gag that when you meet

1:02:41

her agent is she an episode one? No. Now

1:02:43

of course I can't remember what's an episode one

1:02:45

two or three but we meet her agent who

1:02:47

is hilarious. Your memory is definitely better than mine.

1:02:49

We meet her agent who's hilarious. She says she's

1:02:51

got she's kind of busy she's got to go

1:02:54

and fix Sally Wainwright's printer and

1:02:56

then she says there's multiple Sally Wainwright

1:02:58

references in that in that episode

1:03:00

which are absolutely hilarious and

1:03:02

she also there's also a Fleabag reference. Is

1:03:04

that an episode one? No. Maybe not yeah.

1:03:06

So they kind of like because people will

1:03:09

compare I think to Fleabag in some way. A little

1:03:11

bit because you know Fleabag dealt

1:03:14

with you know she would deal with grief you

1:03:16

know Fleabag herself and just

1:03:18

to tone it I think it's quite similar

1:03:20

that Fleabag goes really real you know the

1:03:23

cliche of dark comedy but Fleabag had really

1:03:25

poignant sad stuff particularly when it came to

1:03:27

the death of her best friend and this

1:03:29

when it gets into the nitty-gritty of

1:03:31

Nicola Coughlin's character's mental

1:03:33

health issues it's really quite heavy it's coming

1:03:36

up slight warning for you. Yeah

1:03:38

so it doesn't flinch put it this way from

1:03:40

from the real hard edges of that you know.

1:03:42

That's interesting yeah it doesn't stop so but so

1:03:45

I would tone it I should mind it off

1:03:47

it but equally I'm reluctant to say that because

1:03:49

as Camilla Whitehill who's an incredible figure by the

1:03:51

way she was in the launch. Isn't she best

1:03:53

friends with Nicola? She's best real best friends with

1:03:55

Nicola Coughlin yeah I did for years and years

1:03:57

like 10-15 years. They

1:04:00

met a drama scholar, I think, and so she kind of

1:04:02

wrote this completely with her in mind. She's

1:04:04

a playwright, really. So Nicholas Cowder would be playwright or

1:04:06

playwright in this, and she is an actual real-life playwright,

1:04:08

and she's a very, very funny, she's very funny in

1:04:11

the Q&A, hilarious. And she completely shot down all like,

1:04:13

you know, female comedies, not a

1:04:15

genre, that kind of thing, you know, and, you know,

1:04:17

there are loads of shows about male friendship and no

1:04:19

picks up, and so absolutely that's

1:04:22

true, but it still tones, it did remind me

1:04:24

of Fleetback. And there's no higher compliment. I think

1:04:26

the way it mixes, the tonal shifts. It's

1:04:29

funny, funny, funny, and there's like really

1:04:31

silly stuff. For episode two, there's an

1:04:34

amazing stuff, there's this very birthday party,

1:04:36

and there's like rats crawling around. It

1:04:38

all figures insane. Spoiler. But really, really

1:04:40

funny and incredibly poignant, and at

1:04:43

various moments sad and melancholic at the

1:04:45

same time. So I really liked it. I thought it was

1:04:47

top-notch, I have to say. But you

1:04:49

should say, the other thing, Nicole Cockle is

1:04:51

phenomenal. I think she's so brilliant in the

1:04:53

role. You completely forget of her other, you

1:04:55

know, legend characters, and Lydia West, you know,

1:04:57

and kind of quite chemistry between them. Totally

1:05:00

believable relationship, isn't it? Yeah, friendship.

1:05:02

So I think it's great. Yes, it's very good. I liked

1:05:04

it a lot. Other than that, I found that curious, the

1:05:07

constructions, the deliberate construction of that first episode, I found it

1:05:09

interesting that they decided to go there, and I was

1:05:11

a little bit discombobed. But you know how I love a

1:05:13

label, yeah? I love a label. Let's not get hung up

1:05:15

on the name. And let's

1:05:17

not be too literal and just... No, no, but like

1:05:19

I said, I found that an interesting talking point. It didn't take

1:05:21

away from my enjoyment of the show. I

1:05:23

just found it an interesting choice, which is why I

1:05:25

wanted to talk about it. But yes, good, good. Big

1:05:28

mood. Big mood lands.

1:05:30

Boy do you end. Channel 4, Thursday, the 28th of

1:05:32

March, 2024, 10 o'clock in a double bill, and then

1:05:34

it's all

1:05:37

on channel4.com as well, of course. All

1:05:39

fours, I like to call it now.

1:05:41

It's not all four. It's not all four. I

1:05:43

know, I know. It's not four hub, it's not four

1:05:45

OD. Yeah, four OD, if you remember. It's just Channel4.

1:05:47

Just Channel4. Yeah. Okay.

1:05:50

Next up, as you've

1:05:52

already heard, Ewan McGregor, the erstwhile

1:05:54

Ben Kenobi, returns to our screens

1:05:56

this week in a role more

1:05:58

moustached than man at his excellent

1:06:00

Count Alexander Rostov, and this

1:06:02

is a show based on the 2016 novel

1:06:04

of the same name, as I mentioned by

1:06:07

Immortals, and he plays an aristocrat after the

1:06:09

October Revolution, and Count Rostov finds Russia, let's

1:06:11

say, much less welcoming to people of his

1:06:13

ilk. But thanks to a poem he wrote,

1:06:15

he's not shot against war, but instead condemned

1:06:17

to spend the rest of his days in

1:06:19

a five-star hotel. I can't wait. You can

1:06:21

probably imagine one day before our very own

1:06:23

Boyd Hilton. And speaking of which,

1:06:25

I hope so. Speaking of which, who better to

1:06:27

discuss this one than our very own Connor Ser

1:06:30

of five-star accommodation, Boyd, would

1:06:32

this elicit a five-star

1:06:34

trip advisory rating for you, or put another way,

1:06:36

were you out for the count, or is this

1:06:38

absolute Bolsheviks? What an intro. Do you know what

1:06:41

that is, brilliant? Yeah, that's a good one. Well

1:06:43

done. Funnily enough, because

1:06:45

as second only to my fondest for

1:06:47

planes there, for us as a drama,

1:06:50

hotel settings, as I've said before as

1:06:52

well, I love. So this

1:06:54

is cutting it for me, this show, in terms of

1:06:56

the hotel. By the way,

1:06:59

you've explained the story very well, so

1:07:01

I don't have to. It kind of

1:07:04

ends up, this is the first episode, I only watched the first

1:07:06

one. I think there were like seven more to go, yeah, there

1:07:08

are eight episodes to this thing. And

1:07:10

the first episode, apart from the opening, which explains

1:07:12

how Euemma Gregor's character,

1:07:14

the Count, gets away with

1:07:17

being shot, can kill,

1:07:19

is executed due to this, as you say, poem

1:07:21

is written, which pretends to take the side of

1:07:23

the working classes. Once

1:07:26

he's then installed back into his hotel, in

1:07:28

a shitty little room to be fed, but then proceeds

1:07:30

to be able to have his dinners and get his

1:07:33

haircut, go to the barbers, make new friends, hang out

1:07:35

with Paul Reddy's character, which is really funny, it's kind

1:07:37

of like a hangout show. Very

1:07:39

little plot going on. I'm not a person

1:07:42

to it at all, but because it's a

1:07:44

great place to hang out, the hotel is

1:07:46

brilliant. It's a bit like

1:07:48

a Wes Anderson style setting, the white units

1:07:50

are very beautiful, beautifully established, presumably set to

1:07:53

this hotel, but it's totally set within that

1:07:55

world. And You just

1:07:58

follow the Count, played brilliantly. You

1:08:00

mcgregor our our these his dream perfect role for

1:08:02

him because he some lights isn't these were you

1:08:04

light like on his be nice just as a

1:08:07

kind of like sloppiness to his performance which then

1:08:09

it becomes spreads throughout the whole thing in his

1:08:11

becomes a kind of like quite joyous thing. weirdly

1:08:13

even as it is god's on avoid being executed

1:08:16

effectively I'm but he's really of in a fun

1:08:18

time this and this guy is really fun. stay

1:08:20

with the hang out with some kind of like

1:08:22

he ends up being a hang upside the is

1:08:25

fine because the edits it's as i say hi

1:08:27

I'm fine I'm a I was not expecting when

1:08:29

you see. It's.or Tony Curtis. other not criticizing

1:08:31

marketing people that that's when you see the

1:08:33

poster as doesn't have to the the toys

1:08:35

the show two wins will host of other

1:08:37

one of him holding the savage I eggs.

1:08:40

we don't have a bit of a twinkle

1:08:42

in his eye much as a as he

1:08:44

does a better job of conveying what this

1:08:46

is another possesses unease on and. On. That is

1:08:48

I was actually going to compliment the at

1:08:50

publicity as of all the chaise. I've had

1:08:52

the most emails about this but no one

1:08:54

annoying light but he slugged it. same much

1:08:56

time is that excites? Okay. I know that I'm

1:08:58

sorry I should say up to some of some one

1:09:01

as opposed to some a day no no you're

1:09:03

right about that. The please please will he was the

1:09:05

son he has as on city was a dozen witnesses

1:09:07

the top that like that since many mosquitoes can be

1:09:09

a spicy was a something or ordinary. I wouldn't have

1:09:11

what said. no to thaw it can be We has. A

1:09:14

night. But the thing is is

1:09:16

frothy my life in a very

1:09:18

delightful. Little Romance isn't says it's a

1:09:20

beastly cell and assessing and like you'd think

1:09:22

oh god hit him being stuck in one

1:09:24

i tell that's going to rapidly like lose

1:09:26

interest is quite boring with it as he

1:09:29

tastes sausage and stuff is know that a

1:09:31

decidedly different things explore he meets his young

1:09:33

del he's.saying him different parts of the hotel

1:09:35

the adults would easy see which is fun

1:09:37

and like you nice the also you mcgregor

1:09:40

is so that in role as he say

1:09:42

there is a lightness to s and even

1:09:44

tell he's enjoying it is it's this character

1:09:46

is all about the spate of his cats.

1:09:48

Are either stoicism by his light skis,

1:09:51

unfailingly polite, and since I despise circumstances,

1:09:53

they they have stripped him of all

1:09:55

his wealth of his privilege. And yet

1:09:58

he is resolutely up the of. It

1:10:00

he reminded me. Know

1:10:02

him being up be but a little

1:10:04

bit of my personal. Favorite.

1:10:07

Porro suspicious of his misery and he's like

1:10:09

his fastidious observation of route rules and manners

1:10:11

and as a kid and like even though

1:10:14

some of the people there because you don't

1:10:16

know who to trust in my head so

1:10:18

because there are people spying and the night

1:10:20

is not meant to be using his and

1:10:23

title and like that and. But.

1:10:26

Even still, even despite being treated as

1:10:28

a quite chablis sometimes he is unfailingly

1:10:30

polite and I just thought it was

1:10:33

it was say well, Done Spots well

1:10:35

observed. I was the guy the I very much

1:10:37

good impression that he was using manners his armor

1:10:39

a little bit. markets Us census in a when

1:10:41

everything is against him when his boss against when

1:10:43

his life is on the line and his last

1:10:45

ups the of things. what he has less to

1:10:48

ease his manners and you know he'd he and

1:10:50

so he's very fumbles because he's clinging to the

1:10:52

identity and this a line I think it's has

1:10:54

already starts. I say they can take the money

1:10:56

they can to your house I can take everything

1:10:58

but the com fake who you all yeah I

1:11:00

think that's would ya. He clings to his identity

1:11:02

because it's the only thing he has left. But

1:11:05

this also pivotal twinkle in his i wait

1:11:07

taking a piss ever so slightly out on

1:11:09

them spurs like a hint of some very

1:11:12

selfless arts defiance. Sudan's which is a lot

1:11:14

of fun as well. Lucky that see huge

1:11:16

up a live events but corp on we

1:11:18

both when it by premises. Awful. Roman the

1:11:20

bed screeches I have to shop assistant is

1:11:23

nice isn't it? Mm it's funny as long

1:11:25

as. I dislike smoothies out like in

1:11:27

the Suspects how his perspective is the

1:11:29

chemist perspective. I dislike. And will sit

1:11:32

By the way written by The Surrender

1:11:34

this has been wants to know his

1:11:36

most famous for Tell Me The Tunnel

1:11:38

Five or Creatures Clinton Smokes the of

1:11:40

Missouri. Are we going to say no

1:11:42

nicely? Saying so that your plight, of

1:11:46

i'm just that he's a really because as a

1:11:48

lovely so is one of so far as bus

1:11:50

and that's in of the most popular probably ongoing

1:11:52

drama am started back in with toys unsettled five

1:11:54

know you probably will be me see our the

1:11:57

first was my rebooted that coming loose and he

1:11:59

and he He was the main writer for

1:12:01

the show and I must have memmed because I

1:12:03

hosted one of the screenings. But

1:12:06

delighted for him because he's done a

1:12:09

brilliant job I have to say. What

1:12:11

must have been quite in many ways a challenging

1:12:13

adaptation and the other thing I was going to

1:12:15

say is did you know that originally who the

1:12:17

original star was going to be when it was

1:12:20

first announced? Ken Branagh.

1:12:22

Really? I can see that. I mean

1:12:24

the man gives good moustache. Well except for him Poirot. I

1:12:28

mean you can't fault the Poirot moustache. Oh don't get started.

1:12:30

You don't like the moustache. Is it too elaborate?

1:12:32

Is that the problem? Oh my god it's ridiculous.

1:12:34

It's not Poirot's moustache but anyway it's fine. It's a

1:12:36

panto. It's a panto moustache. Okay.

1:12:41

But yeah no I was pleasantly pleasantly surprised by

1:12:43

this. Yeah yeah me too I enjoyed it

1:12:45

a lot. I thought it was great. A lot of

1:12:47

fun. I really like the character. As you say it's

1:12:49

just the setting. It has a slight twisted fairy tale

1:12:51

feel to it. A slightly surreal vibe to it which

1:12:53

I really liked. It's

1:12:56

almost like he's in a snow globe. Yeah very

1:12:58

much so. He can't go outside. Yeah and

1:13:00

I like the idea that it's I say

1:13:02

twisted fairy tale because it's like he's in

1:13:05

this strange heightened existence but there's the threat

1:13:08

always hanging over him. I think Paul Reddy's character in

1:13:10

the first character and he plays it beautifully because he

1:13:12

does that very same thing where like I

1:13:14

mean you see and some Paul's other

1:13:16

eyes where it's that sense of there's

1:13:19

a real vulnerability to character. Real sense of

1:13:21

sort of woundedness to him in this. And

1:13:24

I really liked the way that was played and I thought

1:13:27

one of the latest scenes I will say with the

1:13:29

violin I thought was magnificent. Oh yeah. That

1:13:32

was really really great. Yeah yeah really really

1:13:34

love that. So yeah really really good episode.

1:13:36

Very surprised by this. Those

1:13:38

of them. You McGregor in his gilded cage. Indeed.

1:13:41

A gentleman in Moscow which is

1:13:43

also in Paramount Plus when boydy. Friday

1:13:46

the March 29th. March it's

1:13:48

on Friday March 29th. I believe

1:13:50

all late episodes drop on

1:13:53

that very day for a little Easter weekend. Is it

1:13:55

Easter weekend? I think so. Yeah Easter

1:13:57

weekend. Which year? Yeah,

1:14:00

thanks for the reminder. That's a

1:14:02

gentleman in Moscow and I will

1:14:04

be a gentleman in Salford this

1:14:07

week because the M5 podcast goes

1:14:09

for manjacks Alan. I

1:14:13

will be going full partridge in the final date

1:14:15

of our tour, which is this week. This is,

1:14:17

we were in Dublin last week, although as we

1:14:20

record this off yet to go, but we were

1:14:22

in Dublin last week and our final date is

1:14:24

in Salford Keys. The end of our

1:14:26

tour. Kay has a hand up. Hi, Kay. How

1:14:28

did the Irish kind

1:14:30

of like welcome you after your accents? Well, I

1:14:32

mean, obviously as we go out,

1:14:34

I can answer that question, but as we record, I

1:14:37

can't because I fly there tomorrow morning as we record.

1:14:40

Oh, sorry. Just to pull the curtain

1:14:42

back. I mean, it's Wednesday. We go on

1:14:44

Thursday. Excuse me. I was like, I said

1:14:46

that. I thought, oh, brilliant. Yeah. I'm going

1:14:48

to, I'm literally just going to wander on

1:14:50

Dublin going, go to Gleason, go to Gleason.

1:14:53

Well, what a perk for the Irish. Yeah.

1:14:55

That is. It's going to be, it's going

1:14:57

to be fabulous. I meant to say in,

1:14:59

um, Anika Ruff got in touch because you were

1:15:01

in Sheffield. I was in Sheffield. Yes. She

1:15:03

said she was absolutely one of our listeners said

1:15:05

she was absolutely devastated that your lasting memory of

1:15:08

Sheffield is the travel load. Oh my God.

1:15:10

Genuinely that I still, I will, I will,

1:15:12

I will carry the trauma of

1:15:14

that. It's still the day I die. I'm

1:15:16

pretty sure it was, uh, it was, it

1:15:18

was a lot. It was

1:15:20

a lot. Right. Let's move on

1:15:23

to the final show of the

1:15:25

week. And next up we have

1:15:27

Mandy on BBC something to BBC

1:15:29

two, specifically series two of Mandy,

1:15:31

which stars Diane Morgan, uh,

1:15:33

as Mandy. Uh, I, I'm

1:15:35

not sure I can possibly do this

1:15:38

justice. I do feel the

1:15:40

complexities are beyond my mortal Ken, but

1:15:42

Kay will happily step up. I suspect,

1:15:44

uh, you know what? Kay.

1:15:50

Kay. I'm just going to say, I'm just going

1:15:52

to say, look, look, we should be perfectly honest

1:15:54

with people. We should be perfectly

1:15:56

honest with people like, you know, Renegade Nell, which stars

1:15:58

another dairy girl is in Boggart's. We're going to have

1:16:00

to do that in pilot class. We needed another show.

1:16:02

And I'm not saying on any level that we're only

1:16:04

doing this because A, you'd already seen it and B

1:16:06

it's 15 minutes long, but here we are. It's

1:16:09

Vanny Sears too. We do

1:16:11

and she's great. Okay, and we've already just talked

1:16:13

about motherland. So big fan of

1:16:15

Diane Morgan. Yeah, and she's great

1:16:17

in this. So this is her comedy character,

1:16:19

Mandy, who is like, I usually absolutely rail

1:16:21

against James when he says the word silly,

1:16:23

but she's a silly character. She's

1:16:26

like ludicrous. And she's daft. Yeah,

1:16:29

exactly. It's probably better words. And

1:16:32

she is perpetually unemployed physically.

1:16:34

She's very funny to look at. She's got

1:16:37

this ridiculously high bun. She wears

1:16:40

her lips. She manages Diane Morgan

1:16:42

does this brilliant thing. What is

1:16:44

that gurning thing she's doing? She holds her mouth in

1:16:46

a certain way. So it's on the shonk. On

1:16:49

the shonk mouth. It's shonk mouth. And

1:16:51

she's got these high heel boots. She always wears,

1:16:54

she looks like, as I said before, anyone who

1:16:56

watches or has watched these tenders, she's

1:16:58

like Shirley Carter. And actually, her surname in this is

1:17:00

Carter, I think Mandy Carter. Anyway, always

1:17:02

unemployed. In this first episode, we meet her.

1:17:04

She is, but Mony, in fact, she doesn't

1:17:06

have a job. And her mate, a technician

1:17:08

called Lola says, why didn't you come and

1:17:11

air stew this? Because you've got the

1:17:13

hype for it. You'd be perfect to that. And she reveals,

1:17:17

she reveals in a shock moment that

1:17:19

actually, she's not as tall as

1:17:21

she has everyone's say. James is taking a

1:17:23

bit of this. It's because of her massive,

1:17:26

massive heels on her boots. And she takes them

1:17:28

off and she's ridiculously short. And in her infinite

1:17:30

wisdom, and you have to go with this, and

1:17:32

this, I should have pre-worn James. You just have

1:17:34

to roll with it, James. She

1:17:36

has a leg lengthening

1:17:39

operation. Yeah. And

1:17:41

she gets fitted with magnetic leg

1:17:43

calipers and she fulfills her dream

1:17:46

of becoming cabin crew. But

1:17:48

obviously one of the downfalls

1:17:50

of having those magnetic calipers that everything

1:17:53

of course gets attracted to. Many

1:17:55

things happened in that episode, which are

1:17:57

obviously ludicrous, but kind of amusing. And

1:18:00

best of all, I have to say that once

1:18:02

again, as we said, it's actually a really brilliant

1:18:04

week if you're a fan of Paul Reddy because

1:18:06

he's in this too. He's got an amazing cameo.

1:18:10

It's a motherland reunion. And yeah, it's just like I

1:18:12

think you just have to go with it. And if

1:18:14

you go with it, it is amusing. So

1:18:17

and as James says, it's kind of 15 minutes long. So if you

1:18:19

just want a bite sized snack or fun. Well, can I ask a

1:18:21

question? How many is the

1:18:23

thing I'm not familiar with the 15 minute

1:18:26

comedy? Yeah, it goes back years, goes back years

1:18:28

and years and years. I mean, I'm trying to

1:18:30

remember there was Rob Brydon's cast

1:18:33

that comedy that I've got the name of that was

1:18:35

in 15 minute chunks, maybe even 10 minute chunks. BBC

1:18:37

Two has been doing them for years and years and

1:18:39

years. And if

1:18:41

I had preferred my brain, didn't forget the titles, the things.

1:18:46

Marion and Jeff. There you go. I

1:18:48

pulled out. Well, yeah. Rob

1:18:50

Brydon and Jeff was like 10, 15 minutes back in

1:18:52

the day. There was the Spoof

1:18:54

Tomorrow's World Show as well, which was 10,

1:18:56

15 minutes. And BBC Two

1:18:58

is so they do it a lot. Yeah,

1:19:00

it's quite it works really well because I'm

1:19:02

not showing them in double bills. This is showing double bills. So

1:19:05

you get two episodes every week on BBC Two anyway, and

1:19:07

it will be on the I plan. So

1:19:10

but yeah, to have enough lovely little silly chunk

1:19:13

of ridiculousness in 15 minutes works really well.

1:19:15

I think in some context. It's an antidote

1:19:17

to heavy drama. It

1:19:19

is absolutely fucking preposterous

1:19:22

and utterly and silly.

1:19:25

It is silly. Finally, we've reached a

1:19:27

comedy that is proudly silly and wants

1:19:29

to be silly. The James

1:19:31

can call it silly without being inaccurate.

1:19:33

Anyway, so it's not insulting. Not

1:19:36

insulting. Diane Morgan having a

1:19:38

different type of comedy, which I completely approve of,

1:19:40

which is just you're trying to get as many

1:19:42

stupid laughs as humanly possible into it's where it's

1:19:44

running time is. And that's what Mandy is. And

1:19:48

there's a massive place for that. For me, many of these stupid comedies

1:19:50

as possible. It's hilarious.

1:19:53

And The fact that the first episode is set up on

1:19:55

a plane as well. It's like a plane. I Mean, that's

1:19:57

so heaven. I'm

1:20:00

a bring we don't have a sauna

1:20:02

tiniest deposit the seventy something our mates

1:20:04

always us applicants, business or voters. Boy

1:20:06

was yes the zoo spokeswoman to be

1:20:08

quite well within the context of an

1:20:11

absolutely idiotic nonsensical deliberately story lines and

1:20:13

I love for me this is see

1:20:15

such a ridiculous cause I say the

1:20:17

droopy mouth he added bonus of observation

1:20:19

she do see people with weed resting

1:20:21

place is right wrist you know where

1:20:23

we will go. The vice What What

1:20:25

was a guy? Would we call it

1:20:27

a social on the ground? muscle soreness,

1:20:30

The matter if I had success. Ideals

1:20:32

are think once you realize you're. Resting

1:20:36

some crisis is that makes

1:20:38

no sense to anyone, but

1:20:40

she's really ugly. Crackers.

1:20:43

Is a scoop of our sons the

1:20:45

great invention Mandy the character and they

1:20:47

just give us so many hilariously Cb

1:20:49

things through the great for my to

1:20:51

said difference or be some supplies in

1:20:53

I was. So much of this is a says

1:20:55

it has his way I you to said but in I

1:20:57

even have walks. Away as walks on a cell

1:20:59

disease like sauces. Like

1:21:02

other the feather also be episodes with

1:21:04

that the conflicts and melting to Chicago

1:21:06

piper me so Green is brilliantly just

1:21:08

Connor might look to speeding with as

1:21:10

his complete idiot or since can become

1:21:13

an as a simplified of sorry it's

1:21:15

yeah it's great as says we're super

1:21:17

easy from his her. Really

1:21:20

funny to you already know it's it's not

1:21:22

for me is what I'm going to side

1:21:24

like as it is I don't do silly

1:21:26

I can't avoid silly. Isn't very, very

1:21:28

silly I? you know, I don't feel

1:21:31

the i'm. Particularly. Qualified to

1:21:33

comment because I did have a natural, inbuilt

1:21:35

hatred of this kind of publicity for associates

1:21:37

I. Set a silly and say he's right set up

1:21:39

but will say. Comedy. Isn't his

1:21:42

natural? Not. As a

1:21:44

devout and for this type of comedy aims

1:21:46

I say I think I think this is

1:21:48

like you know you don't have to like

1:21:50

a genre to appreciated generally but I think

1:21:53

been. A

1:21:55

bullet I think. I think the coin dogs are

1:21:57

like some lessons example of some people have on

1:21:59

horses. Those get rights. Budget: The Not Afraid

1:22:01

of Horror film. So if someone doesn't find

1:22:04

horror films of scary on any level the

1:22:06

know horror film is going to work for

1:22:08

them because fundamentally ahora some the doesn't scare

1:22:10

you files it's because accidents hi us. You

1:22:12

know reason for existing is to scare you

1:22:14

and if he can't do that as much

1:22:16

of the same thing with these are things.

1:22:18

I don't find these kind of things funny

1:22:21

so I can't really access them in that

1:22:23

like has Fundamentally they just don't amuse me

1:22:25

and the comedy doesn't amuse you If all

1:22:27

right I. Am not sure that

1:22:29

it's all good advice. I like the into school

1:22:31

but footage like on comedy funny was. I was

1:22:33

on my hobbies is against his own with some

1:22:36

comments on how many. Of the used as as I

1:22:38

said fighting funny. Funny but

1:22:40

the thing is I do I sides

1:22:42

is my taste and comedy a quite

1:22:44

specific. I enjoy comedies against drama I

1:22:47

don't like comedy and heightened silly yes

1:22:49

environs I usually I usually isabella very

1:22:51

but as a chronic was on a

1:22:53

smooth but the been diagrams audrey as

1:22:56

deeply super dry is by lava. Sometimes

1:22:58

it's difficult to get things going to

1:23:00

get the white or is there's a

1:23:02

cards? The coaches lord touched. By

1:23:05

the fifth one at. Home

1:23:07

and post it. It has some idea and said

1:23:09

they saw Steve but is it common sense is

1:23:11

pointed to handle on exactly. A

1:23:14

little bit Oregon as a silly

1:23:16

comedy acceptably a character driven comedy.

1:23:19

You know, fantasy companies like the

1:23:21

one he specifically will have on

1:23:23

Comedy Zola. About a semifinal about

1:23:25

thirty minutes. Incidental right that unites on

1:23:28

that list to allows. For incidentally, the

1:23:30

x it issue is all about the comedy.

1:23:32

But generally speaking, yes, generally I like comedy

1:23:34

juxtaposed withdraw my find that the two things

1:23:37

were happening How? because any idea how

1:23:39

many but some assists a main it's. A

1:23:43

sucker for me. and I'm

1:23:45

a conservation most of as

1:23:47

it is an oxymoron pop

1:23:49

up. My emphasis on the

1:23:51

latter part. Deaths Seven very

1:23:53

says oh Dear Mandates, all

1:23:56

of it's fifteen minutes Arrive

1:23:58

on Bbc to. when Wednesday

1:24:00

the 27th of March 10 p.m.

1:24:03

2024 in a double bill but

1:24:05

I do believe it'll be on

1:24:07

the iPlayer as well that very

1:24:09

evening. The iPlayer. What else is out

1:24:12

this week? That is a

1:24:14

good question. I'll tell you what else is

1:24:16

out this week James. First of all we

1:24:18

couldn't review it because it's heavily embargoed. Renegade

1:24:20

now. You have the new one from Sally

1:24:22

Wainwright, the aforementioned. Stops on

1:24:24

Disney Plus on Friday. All drops as well

1:24:26

in time for the big Easter weekend but

1:24:28

we're not allowed to review it yet. We'll be

1:24:30

doing it yes because the embargo will be

1:24:32

doing it on Pilot Plus. Exactly. Then

1:24:35

there is the Steve Martin documentary. A documentary in

1:24:37

two pieces on Apple TV Plus on Friday

1:24:39

as well. There

1:24:41

is a documentary

1:24:43

called Barbie Uncovered about the real-life

1:24:46

battle for Barbie. That's on Sky

1:24:48

documentary slash now on

1:24:50

Wednesday. There is

1:24:54

American Rust Returns for second season. That's

1:24:56

on Prime on Thursday. That's the Jeff

1:24:58

Daniels series which we reviewed. It was

1:25:00

a procedure wasn't it? It

1:25:02

seemed to be in this kind of like Rust Belt

1:25:04

town. It was a story every week wasn't it? Which

1:25:06

I remember you. That I don't know because I only

1:25:09

work one episode. It

1:25:11

was. But it's a family drama wasn't it? Like it

1:25:13

was going through this. He was the chief of

1:25:15

police and it was in this town in Pennsylvania.

1:25:18

There's Rec series 2. I was a big fan of series

1:25:20

1 of Rec which is kind of comedy horror. Slightly more

1:25:22

horror than comedy but I had it kind of tongue in

1:25:24

its cheek a lot. That's back on

1:25:26

BBC 3 on Wednesday at 10 o'clock

1:25:29

and all on the iPad written by

1:25:31

Ryan J Brown. It's got a really

1:25:33

good cast Thaddeus Graham from Sex Education's

1:25:35

in it and

1:25:37

Oscar Kennedy from Breeders who's in

1:25:39

the last six of British's. James'

1:25:41

favourite obviously. That's on

1:25:44

and there's quite a lot actually. I'm just making sure

1:25:46

I'm missing anything else out. Professor

1:25:48

T is back. Do you remember that? That's a Ben

1:25:50

Miller crime buster drama

1:25:52

on ITV1 on Wednesday. Is

1:25:56

it a bit cosy crime? Yeah to be honest. Yeah it's

1:25:58

definitely not kind of edgy crime. He's

1:26:00

like, he's a therapist

1:26:02

detective, I think. I think that's right. Yeah.

1:26:06

And that's also got Frankie Delatour, Francis Delatour,

1:26:09

who's one of my favourites in

1:26:11

it, as his mum. And

1:26:15

that's quite good. Anything

1:26:18

else? Anything else? I think that

1:26:20

might be it. But apologies if I've missed anything.

1:26:22

Well, with all of that in mind, what? Oh,

1:26:25

one more story. More to

1:26:27

come. This town starts, which is

1:26:29

the Stephen Knight drama on Sunday,

1:26:31

which is within our week, but

1:26:34

that is heavily embargoed, so we can't remember we have to

1:26:36

review it. It's also on the Monday as well, we'll review

1:26:38

it when we can on the pod. So

1:26:40

yeah, this is his passion project. It's

1:26:42

about the growth of Scar and New

1:26:44

Wave in the Midlands, in Coventry and

1:26:46

Birmingham in the early 80s. And

1:26:50

I have seen it, but it's a bit embargoed for

1:26:52

talking about it. Michelle Dockery's in it, very much cast

1:26:54

against type. So we'll come to that when we can.

1:26:57

That's Easter Sunday, 31st of March,

1:26:59

BBC One. Don't miss it, we'll review it when

1:27:01

we can. Okey-dokey,

1:27:03

well, what does that make our

1:27:06

pick of the week? Right, so...

1:27:08

What have we reviewed again? I'm

1:27:10

going to choose a gentleman in Moscow, because

1:27:12

I knew that I would like big mood and

1:27:14

I really enjoy big mood, but a

1:27:16

gentleman in Moscow was a surprise. Interesting.

1:27:19

Wouldn't have picked that. No, I'm going big mood. I'm

1:27:21

going big mood, yeah. I think it's great. I

1:27:24

don't know where to fall on this. I really

1:27:26

like both of those, I've definitely not fallen there.

1:27:28

What's the difference? Nicola Coughlin put my review of

1:27:30

it up on the hook. No, big mood is

1:27:32

brilliant. Yeah, I

1:27:35

take one or either of those. I'm going to go

1:27:37

with big mood, just because I feel in this particular

1:27:39

case it's the underdog. So I'm going to

1:27:41

root for the underdog. Oh, see, I don't feel the

1:27:43

underdog. You know,

1:27:45

Hugh McGregor, Paramount Plus, Lavrish, Bud Dip, Bolsheviks

1:27:47

everywhere. Yeah, but the title works against

1:27:50

it, I think. Load of old Bolsheviks. Sorry.

1:27:53

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1:28:42

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1:28:44

more exciting than that of course is that

1:28:46

the fifth and final series of Star Trek

1:28:48

Discovery comes to Paramount Plus. Kay has specifically

1:28:51

requested that we review that one so that's

1:28:53

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1:28:55

little snippet for you that will not

1:28:57

be included. Will it be? No,

1:28:59

I think it might be actually. In my Empire

1:29:01

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1:29:03

about how Star Trek Discovery, he didn't even like

1:29:06

Star Trek that much until Star Trek Discovery came along

1:29:08

and now he's a massively fan, massively fan. It's made

1:29:10

him a Trekkie. Yeah. He's

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gone full Trek. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Interesting. Yeah. Interesting. Well,

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okay. We'll find out what you think of that next week. Not happening, not

1:29:20

happening. Yes it is. Don't resist it.

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What else is happening next week? We've got the Colin Farrell sort

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of gumshoe series that lands on Apple TV Plus

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as well. So we'll be doing a selection of

1:29:29

those. That's quite fun. That's it. That's it.

1:29:32

We're done. What an outro.

1:29:34

What an outro. What an end. Oh, nothing if

1:29:36

not professional. That's it. We just

1:29:39

let the podcast fade away. Just drift off into the sunset. Okay,

1:29:41

so until next week, Kay has a full seven days to watch

1:29:43

the first four seasons of Star Trek

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Discovery. And you can bet she's looking forward to it. Enjoy.

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