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On the Pilot TV Podcast this week, we're

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on the payroll of Henry VIII in Shardlake

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on Disney+, defecting from behind the Iron Curtain

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in Cold War espionage thriller Spymaster on BBC4,

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and we're back on the night shift with

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Martin Freeman in the second series of The

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Responder on BBC1. And

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if that's not enough, The Responder himself, Mr. Martin

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Freeman, along with the creator of the show, Tony

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Schumacher, join us on this week's show to chat

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Scouse Law Enforcement with Boydie. I'm

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James Dyer and welcome to the Pilot TV Podcast,

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your essential guide to every show that matters here

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to help you navigate the increasingly choppy

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waters of peak TV. And with

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me on this voyage, as you

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would hope, are my two trusty

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co-pilots, newly minted Reddit enthusiast, Kay

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Rivero, and former Silver Service star,

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Boyd Hilton. True. Yes.

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You are referring to the, what's it

0:55

called? AMA? Ask Me Anything? Indeed.

0:58

Yes. On the Reddit. That we did

1:00

this week. And I revealed that I once burnt someone's arm

1:03

with when I was doing Silver Service, Waching and Brighton in

1:05

the hotel. I thought it was the Metropolitan Hotel. Yeah. How

1:07

long did you last? Oh, like

1:10

a couple of weeks, I think. We

1:12

fired or did you quit? I think

1:14

I quit. You felt something slightly better to do,

1:16

whatever that was. I can't remember. Yeah.

1:19

Actually, I wanted to bring up the Ask Me Anything. No,

1:22

Ask Me Anything? Yeah, that's it. Ask Me

1:24

Anything. Because after we did that, so we did

1:26

it during our lunch hour. And then in the

1:28

evening, I got an email from one of our

1:30

colleagues, a new friend to

1:32

the pod who got in touch to say, actually,

1:34

she was in the canteen. We did it in

1:36

the canteen where we work. We call it canteen.

1:38

There's no food supplied there. No, it's just a load of tacos.

1:42

And she was sitting nearby, apparently, and she's

1:44

like a long term listener. Her

1:47

name is Michelle McKay, and she's been a fan of the pod since 2019

1:49

when she was on Mat Leave. But

1:51

anyway, she said it's her favorite pod of all time ever.

1:54

She subscribes as well. She's

1:56

a proper aficionado. Anyway, do you know

1:58

how she knew? knew that we were

2:00

nearby because she hadn't spotted us. Do you know

2:03

how she knew James? How? She

2:06

heard you doing your liver puddling and accent. And

2:08

then when she looked up she realised it

2:10

was us. And so just... Who's

2:13

that twat down there? And you know why

2:15

he was doing that? It's because in between us replying

2:17

to the questions I said to him, what were we

2:19

doing? What were we recording today? What were we doing?

2:21

And then he did his awful liver puddling and accent.

2:23

Actually it's not too bad. This

2:25

was me doing my sort of like

2:27

Peter Sarafinowicz. Mmm. Be a

2:30

fawken champ. He was doing that repeatedly at

2:32

me. And so I was like, oh right, yeah we didn't

2:34

respond to her. And I didn't know anyone else was listening.

2:36

But yeah, that's how she knew we were nearby. Anyway, she

2:38

said she's a big fan.

2:40

She's based in Glasgow. She very much enjoys

2:42

when you do the accent because it's my

2:44

father you're worse. But it makes her laugh

2:46

a lot. So I thought you could say,

2:48

thanks for listening in your worse, your awful

2:50

Glaswegian accent. I can't. I've got performance anxiety now.

2:53

No, come on. I can't do it for the show. It

2:55

has to come bubbling to the surface organically.

2:58

No, that was my Scars accent, though I

3:00

can understand the confusion. I know they're very

3:02

similar. I love that. I

3:04

love the way that also you're saying Glaswegian

3:06

as if my quote unquote Scottish accent has

3:08

any kind of locale to it. If it's

3:10

like targeted to any specific part of the

3:12

country. locale. What

3:15

is that locale of which you speak? What

3:17

would you have me say? Well,

3:21

I think well, when someone writes in saying

3:23

that they've been listening five years and also what

3:25

she did, how well she knows me, she

3:27

said, it's my faith podcast of

3:29

all time ever. And yes, I have left a five

3:31

star review. So I think you should just say thank you.

3:34

The most I probably end up quoting something from like

3:36

a dwarf in World of Warcraft because for some reason

3:38

it's a video game where all the doors and this

3:40

is quite a common thing in gaming that dwarves are

3:42

Scottish. It's unclear why. I don't know.

3:45

I don't know why I'm terrible Lord of the

3:47

Rings thing on Prime Video. They had all the

3:49

things by terrible Lord of the

3:51

Rings thing. Just to be clear, you mean the Lord

3:53

of the Rings, the Rings about the most expensive TV

3:55

show ever made. That's the one you mean. Oh, okay.

3:58

All the one of the people they also. had a

4:00

list of an accident was it Scottish or Welsh

4:02

or Irish all of the all of the elves

4:04

or whatever they were. But that was I was

4:06

like why they all got that Celtic where should

4:08

everyone I think I think it's just to try

4:11

and you know give the hint of dialects to

4:14

them. I feel like the influence on you because

4:16

you're such a lovely obsessive. So channel that.

4:19

Channel that into my Scottish accent no I can't do

4:21

it I can't do it. I can't do it. Anyway.

4:24

Yeah by the house. Okay. That's about as far

4:26

as I go. Michelle that one was just for

4:28

you. Sorry. Yeah I'm so sorry. Anyway thank

4:30

you for listening and for leaving the review and getting

4:32

in touch. I don't even know where we

4:34

were. What have we been watching. There we go.

4:38

So I have finished Shogun.

4:41

You and everyone else because it ended this week. I

4:44

know and it's devastating that it's

4:46

over but also just spectacular.

4:48

It was beautiful in every sense the storytelling

4:51

performances direction blah blah blah. We're going to

4:53

do a spoiler special. Tell me

4:55

what did you think of the finale. Oh

4:58

you're being smug. Yeah you are being. You

5:00

have not caught up with that have you. Yeah really.

5:02

Yeah I mean I was going to leave it for

5:04

the big surprise reveal in my version of

5:09

the one you've been watching segment but you since you are

5:11

being a big class. Yes typically smug

5:14

way. I'm not finished. I'm that's impressive

5:16

because you are way behind. Yeah that's

5:18

the commitment that's the level of professionalism

5:20

and commitment I have to this podcast.

5:23

He walked into the office morning watching

5:25

it on his phone. Yeah as the creators

5:27

intended. Yeah. Oh yeah. Well oh my God. Are

5:29

you daring. I have to defend Boida in that

5:31

instance. Because you

5:36

watched it. No fair play. And you know

5:38

without any spoilers because we'll save that for the

5:40

spoiler special. What do we think. How did

5:42

how did you react to the finale. What

5:44

do you know. Well

5:46

it's brilliant. Yeah it's absolutely

5:48

phenomenal. It's episode nine. It's

5:50

the penultimate that is the

5:52

spectacular incredibly tense and emotional

5:54

episode. Right. And then 10

5:57

is kind of a bit more not

5:59

it's kind of. of like an aftermath episode in

6:01

Hawaii isn't it? But

6:04

brilliant and

6:06

quite right and kind of fitting in with the whole kind

6:08

of tenor of the series. Yeah. And

6:10

that last scene I thought was perfect. Yeah. But

6:13

anyway. To be discussed in detail on

6:15

a forthcoming spoiler special. Yeah. Okay. Good stuff. What

6:17

else have you been watching? I

6:19

watched all of Baby Reindeer. So

6:22

I finally put up on that. I was dragging my

6:24

heels a little bit because I knew what was coming

6:26

with episode four because I had so many people talk

6:28

about it. But yeah, I finished that and it

6:32

is extraordinary. The story is extraordinary. He's

6:34

incredibly brave for, you know, talking about

6:37

the abuse and trauma and for playing

6:39

himself. But I just

6:41

I just feel still so uncomfortable about it

6:43

when I finish watching it just because of

6:45

the fact that and I

6:47

don't know what went into, you know,

6:49

the level of permission seeking and discussing

6:52

it with the because it's his

6:54

story and it's her story as well. Right. Wrapped into

6:56

one in a way. And I just wonder if she

7:00

was consulted before this because she's now

7:02

been thrust into the limelight. And

7:04

no matter how many people say the maker,

7:06

the makers, he says, you know, like, oh,

7:09

don't research, don't look her up. She's

7:11

out there now. Everyone knows who it is. And I just

7:13

wonder. Do they know who it is? Yeah. A lot of

7:15

people have. I mean, they think they know

7:17

who it is. I think it's highly likely.

7:19

Certainly, I don't think it's the case that he has

7:21

that she has been involved in any way. In

7:24

which case I feel I don't know. I just feel

7:26

a bit uncomfortable because she's she's so clearly mentally unwell

7:29

as she is portrayed in the show. I just wonder

7:31

the impact it's going to have with only people knowing

7:33

that story. And of course, I mean,

7:35

it's 100% valid observation to make and

7:37

also antiquated query. But it is like

7:40

it. What's interesting is this is like

7:42

it like many, many shows before it.

7:45

Baby reindeer is going through the kind of different

7:47

phases because it's so big. I mean, if you

7:49

haven't been such a hit, I think it's globally

7:52

number one now on Netflix, which is incredible for

7:54

a fairly, you know, within

7:56

Netflix is normal scheme of things,

7:58

you know, for the intimate British. show, right?

8:00

It's because it's like number one rant globally.

8:03

But I don't think he ever thought I'm not sure

8:05

if they ever thought it would be such a huge

8:07

phenomenon. Maybe they did because the script is so fantastic.

8:10

But to say

8:12

so orderly, it's based on a

8:15

true story, not even I think

8:17

I think literally just says that doesn't there's no you know,

8:19

couching it and any you know, some scenes have been

8:21

created or all that stuff that you normally get. You

8:25

know, and then so it's now going to the point where

8:27

initially it was that everyone say how brilliant it was as

8:29

a show like we did I think

8:32

when we reviewed it last week, most all

8:34

of us we were I think we will

8:36

really appreciate how brilliant it was. It's now

8:38

going through that Oh, wait a minute. It's

8:40

based on true story. Is it completely all

8:42

true? Is it embellished? Is there? You know,

8:44

does he have tested permission from this real

8:47

life version of the person who's depicted? I'm

8:49

clearly presumably not that

8:51

did he not expect that people would try and

8:54

find the real person and people in fact involved

8:56

the other person involved in his storyline

8:58

about his trauma. That's a bit I struggle

9:00

with because of course he must I would

9:03

imagine like if it was me I

9:06

would definitely think that people would because I

9:08

mean, look, the rules doctor photo and look how

9:10

much speculation. Of course, but it almost feels

9:12

weird. I mean, I've read a couple of think

9:14

pieces in the papers. There's one in the I

9:16

pay today by Julia race side who actually been

9:19

on this podcast a couple years ago. Brilliant

9:21

TV writers calling into question the thing quite, quite

9:24

boldly quite, you know, she's got a lot of

9:26

really good points to make. So I think it's

9:28

kind of getting into new phase in the show's

9:30

history, if you like, where now people are being

9:33

quiet. Like, oh, I feel like oh, you know,

9:35

I really, really I thought it was absolutely brilliant

9:37

piece of work. Brilliantly acted,

9:39

created, directed, etc. And fascinating

9:42

and riveting all that but now I feel like

9:44

slightly guilty because of all these other ramifications and

9:46

all that is it's very interesting. So

9:49

It's a phenomenon. Books will be really like

9:51

the psychology of watching it. Yeah, yeah. I

9:53

Do find it, but sorry to bang on

9:55

it one more bit. I Do find extraordinary

9:57

that they don't see I don't Who knows?

9:59

They don't seem to have a dissipated. Extent.

10:01

To which the real big, the

10:03

real life versions of the people

10:06

that the he is based. This.

10:08

Salaam. Are being are are

10:10

are of people are trying to find out who they

10:12

really are. They probably didn't anticipate the degree to which

10:14

this would hit right us what you have to another

10:17

it would that would then become like a part of

10:19

a concise and seven in this country than how much

10:21

it is a broad percent in the Uk This is

10:23

this is the thing that people talking about Yemen So

10:25

I mean on one hand he arrived but on the

10:28

on how free thinking oh shit yeah no I think

10:30

so. And finally. To

10:33

balance that all out. Of my

10:35

boys teasing Stuart little less, he. Could. Put

10:37

your road blocks of the other side

10:40

months ago this eight ounces. It's a

10:42

I. Balance that out. With. What

10:45

saying? Bluey? Oh. And

10:48

I couldn't resist it for special or to the

10:50

normal episode. And. So I watch the specials

10:52

the finale and then they did an ex

10:54

they didn't expect site elsewhere so I was

10:56

spices them because I believe save like got

10:58

in touch to say like with got what's

11:00

his way to go outside and I have

11:02

to sadly to did enjoy and it's I

11:04

actually enjoyed their. A bonus like

11:06

the say one was licensed was at twenty

11:08

minutes bit longer and then those an eight

11:10

minute ones of of the eight minutes and

11:12

site else to it's and i would enjoy

11:15

the i saw this on know funny poignant.

11:17

And with an elite, this is the end of blurry. Or

11:19

heard a rumor this way is usually matter

11:21

what other spread the yeah yeah awesome. I

11:24

started reading this article. I read it literally

11:26

on Reddit so whether an almost rounds other

11:28

the allowing confirmed by noom know maybe route

11:30

room as a blue his demise has been

11:33

greatly exaggerated. By yes.

11:35

I want is an exam yes

11:37

visited instance the time and that's

11:39

me done. So then they ranger

11:41

employee. Or two of those Isis but

11:43

by Rhonda had this but the As

11:45

as as prisoners because I'm so good.

11:47

I was also because it was so

11:49

good in the most pressing three days

11:51

of to pin let's say. Or hard

11:53

work is enjoying. my voice is heard it's

11:55

it's it's is absolutely brilliant not settling in about the

11:58

it will be a verb with the top in

12:00

the top five i would say the end

12:02

of the year pretty strongly james

12:05

you're looking hey i've already read

12:07

it my show of the number

12:09

one it may get unseated but

12:11

i'm present it's not a lot

12:13

i'm i'm kind of doing tools where jame jane

12:15

jame jame jame jame jame yes janey

12:20

janey janey janey

12:22

was on board to be fair james was on

12:24

board he watched you watch the whole thing like weeks

12:26

before we even thought before it even been made before

12:28

it even been made i think the whole thing that's

12:30

right yeah so that's that's that show good yes we

12:32

will be doing this spolus bishop hook us eventually

12:35

anyone disagrees by the way if anyone's wants to say i don't think

12:37

was that good my ass would just yes because you didn't see with

12:39

the proper subtitles i mean the

12:41

subtitles i don't want to bang on about

12:44

them i know we rarely mentioned it but

12:46

the subtitles are tiny on the

12:48

on the on the disney plus

12:50

that bigger part of the you know what part of the

12:52

reason this is actually true that i downloaded to my to

12:55

my bigger on the phone is actually

12:57

true it's really ridiculous all they are

12:59

on tv now you have to strain

13:01

you have to strain your eyes anyway

13:03

i didn't find it small it's just the

13:06

positioning and that's the size it is it's size

13:08

as well but it is positioned there low down as

13:10

opposed to sort of very close to center screen we

13:12

have to be we have discussed that list i will

13:14

say one of the thing that has made this hit

13:16

home is one of the shows that we are reviewing

13:18

this week is heavily subtitles

13:20

are mostly yeah completely

13:23

rather that than the ice train anyway

13:25

so yeah show good tonight this as

13:27

we speak i've got hard out to

13:29

see we're recording this listeners on thursday

13:32

it's currently 16 31 2024

13:34

um the 20th

13:36

of april this evening is the doctor who

13:38

screening the premiere of the of the new season

13:40

of dr which they're calling season one of

13:43

the starting a whole new star yeah it's

13:45

a whole new star oh come on yeah

13:47

there was classic who there was new who

13:49

which which us today was revived famous and

13:51

this is you this is one number is

13:54

stopped new season one we started all over

13:56

again effectively yeah i mean

13:58

basically it shoots his first episodes

14:02

as opposed to the Christmas special and the

14:04

regeneration episode before the end of

14:06

last year. This is his first series, proper.

14:08

They're showing the first two episodes. The first

14:10

episode is called Space Babies, which is literally

14:12

about babies in space. And the second episode

14:15

is called The Devil's Call, which is about

14:17

the Beatles. And I've seen one of these.

14:19

I've seen space babies. Space

14:21

babies already. So I could mention it in

14:23

my Empire feature. Which I read last

14:25

night and it's very good. Oh thanks Kate. Thank you.

14:29

And but the Beatles one, if you just

14:31

said what, you know, what's

14:33

the most exciting thing you could do in Doctor Who

14:35

and it's been going for fucking 60 years. I'd be

14:37

like well do an episode with the

14:39

Beatles obviously. And he has and they have and

14:41

I cannot wait. I'm so excited about that because

14:43

I love the Beatles. So I'm so as we

14:45

speak I haven't seen it yet but I would

14:47

have seen it. I will be in my watching

14:50

section listeners. Imagine by the time this comes out.

14:52

Spoiler alert. On Monday. Yeah I mean obviously can't

14:54

review them anyway and they'll be on they'll be

14:56

on actual television May 11th. One

14:58

minute past midnight. May the 11th. Disney

15:00

BBC iPlayer. Yeah. Anyway, that's

15:02

that. You know what I'm finally watching. I thought

15:05

because I always forget why I've actually been watching. So

15:08

I thought at the beginning of the week I thought you know what I'm gonna do when

15:10

I go home and switch to TV and actually

15:12

do watch TV. I thought I'll just make a note

15:15

of why actually I've been watching. Things

15:18

like things I always watch which I've

15:20

mentioned before like you know the

15:23

chase you know what's the chase sometimes you

15:25

call me between five and six and it's

15:27

infuriating. During work hours by the way. Yeah

15:29

but I'm still working I'm just multitasking when

15:32

the chase is on. This morning

15:34

this morning had a feature this week. This is what

15:37

I wrote down. The feature this week

15:39

on Britain's the man with Britain's

15:41

biggest penis. That was on

15:43

I think it was Tuesday. This is cutting

15:45

out journalism. Yeah. James imagine I call Boido

15:47

at that point right to discuss something with him and he

15:49

goes and I was like what are you watching now? The

15:51

biggest penis. Yeah. I mean this is what

15:57

I'm having to deal with. Not to put too fine a point on it

15:59

but how do they know? Well, it's a

16:01

good question. Sounds like a gallon. Giving

16:04

it a bigger objection, your honours. What

16:08

are you saying? Well,

16:13

the people who have claimed they've got

16:15

a big penis that have taught and

16:17

revealed what their measurements are. And

16:20

look, Guy is the top of that list. I

16:23

can't believe I'm being drawn into this conversation. What size

16:25

are we talking? I can't remember how many... I

16:28

feel like this is pertinent information. I think we're talking

16:30

like 10, 11, etc. And

16:34

it's Gert as well. What state was

16:37

said member in during the measuring? I

16:40

thought you meant on this morning. Wait, you

16:42

actually saw the penis. No, well, no.

16:46

They just showed the penis. They properly buried

16:48

the lead on it. He was live in the studio. He

16:50

didn't get it out. He was live in the studio. I

16:55

tell you what was very funny was

16:58

that he's actually talking about how much it's a

17:00

curse. Oh,

17:02

yeah. Maybe he

17:04

trips up quite a lot. James doesn't have to

17:07

imagine. The war was funny. Was

17:10

it Liam Neeson? No. Who

17:14

knows if those rumours are true. On

17:16

ITV's daytime offering, from

17:18

Lorraine, Lorraine always

17:20

plug it. Lorraine went to Ben Sheppard and

17:23

what's the name? Cat Dealey. Cat Dealey, who

17:25

are the hosts of this one. I

17:28

actually know James. What have

17:30

you got on the show? The man with

17:32

his biggest penis. You can imagine.

17:36

It was very funny. It

17:38

was worth seeing if anyone on ITV black can be bothered. The

17:41

hand over it. I

17:43

thought it was hilarious. Hand over hand over

17:45

hand. I

17:48

often watch Lorraine as well. Lucy

17:51

Cave, our former boss at Bao, is on

17:54

it all the time. Lucy's on it. We're

17:57

talking about the TV show, right? Yeah. I

18:07

made a note of while I was

18:10

watching them because it was funny is

18:12

program featuring Michael Portillo to give big

18:14

penises. Oh my god, I really do feel

18:16

sick because we're laughing. Yeah,

18:21

he is obviously like an MP who

18:25

I personally does not fit with

18:27

my personal politics particularly, right? Michael

18:29

Portillo, but he has become right

18:32

the leading exponent of travel shows

18:34

involving trains. Yeah, he's the train

18:36

man. He is the train

18:38

man. He's made an extraordinary career of

18:40

himself and he's currently on two channels

18:42

this at the moment. He's on BBC

18:44

two Monday to Friday, Great Coastal Railway

18:46

journeys and he's on channel five on

18:49

Friday Michael Portillo's long weekends. You

18:51

can't, you know, it's difficult to avoid

18:53

him. But I

18:55

have to say he's really good at it. I'm going to give

18:57

him credit for it. So even though politically couldn't be more

19:00

different from me, he is a good... And

19:02

no comments on his undercarriage. Absolutely not.

19:04

No. But I, you know, I referred to him

19:06

as a big penis in a... A

19:09

joke, yeah. Yeah. But yeah, so lots

19:11

of Michael Portillo shows. That's what we've been watching. It's

19:14

a very... Be that. Be that. I

19:16

don't even know where to go with the statement now.

19:20

I feel like we peaked, so to speak. What

19:23

have you been watching, James? Well, I

19:26

finished Mr. Mrs. Smith, finally, which

19:28

I enjoyed, although it does have a cliff hangry

19:30

ending, which irked me slightly. How did the end

19:32

get uncomfortable? I can't say that. It'd be a

19:34

spoiler. I thought so. Yeah, I know you

19:37

know, but crucially, we're doing a

19:39

podcast with an audience and not all of them

19:41

will have seen it. Oh, my God. I said

19:43

that on the off-me-anything. I was like, I actually do

19:45

forget. I just think it's I'm thinking around and around.

19:47

Yeah, I mean, after Paul's penis chat, it

19:49

may well be. But so I

19:52

finished Mr. Smith, very much enjoyed that. And

19:54

then because I feel like

19:56

I was out of step with most people,

19:58

I decided to give. Fallout another

20:00

go. So I watched the rest

20:02

of Fallout. I've got all the way to the end of

20:04

Fallout. I've now watched all of Fallout and

20:07

I enjoyed it more in

20:09

the second half than I did the first half. I

20:12

think I started to get more, I warmed to

20:14

the characters slightly more. I thought the humour kind

20:16

of settled quite nicely in sort of the latter

20:18

episodes. I still don't think it's fabulous. Like all

20:20

these people are saying, it's amazing, it's better than

20:22

The Last of Us, you see? Fuck. But

20:26

you know, it was quite fun. I enjoyed it. It's got

20:28

a lot of really good reviews. I was surprised. I

20:30

don't like it as much as most

20:32

people do. I enjoyed it enough to press onto the N.I.

20:34

I had a good old time watching the rest of it.

20:36

I did not resent the time I spent watching the rest

20:38

of it. Well, you'll be excited by some

20:40

news coming up then. Will

20:42

I now? But that's a little tease. Oh, in the

20:44

news fiction, mate. Yeah, little tease. Okay, what could it

20:46

possibly be? A mystery. Well, he

20:49

doesn't know. Look, he's right. I

20:51

don't? I don't know what this is. Yeah. No

20:53

idea. Sorry, carry on. Not

20:55

a clue. Right. Anyway, that's what we've

20:57

been watching. Let's very, very hastily whizz on to a

21:03

question. What do you have for us this week? So

21:06

this question comes from Tom Miller, who

21:08

says in the next series of Reacher, if

21:11

the book is followed, there'll be a character

21:13

called Pauli who is significantly bigger than Reacher.

21:16

Given Alan Richardson is an absolute monster,

21:18

who can possibly be cast to play

21:20

Pauli? Godzilla. You

21:23

can't see it, but

21:26

he's like, he's making his eyes go

21:28

weird from side to side. I'm

21:32

just going to Google tallest

21:34

actor. I'm going to say, you know, I'm

21:36

going to go for listener of the pod. Great friend

21:38

of mine, Idris Elba. Oh,

21:42

because he's a big guy and also, oh, actually, at that

21:45

juncture, I should say, give

21:47

me a pound. Why?

21:50

Because we said last week, Idris, because, you

21:52

know, you said he was listening. Yeah. And

21:55

if he gets in touch, then I owe you a pound.

21:57

But so far, a week has passed and Idris

21:59

has not been. make contact with us. Yeah that's not,

22:01

I don't know whether there's a time limit on the

22:03

uh... Oh so we just go on for a rest

22:05

of time. Yeah. Okay fine. Seems like a

22:07

good bet. Yeah. Okay. Um

22:09

well of course um

22:12

Stephen Merchant is like six foot seven.

22:15

But he's not necessarily uh... He's

22:18

not necessarily a hench but he's you know

22:20

he's a big guy. It's difficult, it'll be

22:22

difficult. How tall is uh Reacher officially? Reacher

22:24

is supposed to be six foot four. But

22:26

yeah you see so you know Merchant would

22:28

have three inches on him so to speak.

22:31

This is not back to um... I believe

22:33

Alan Richmond might be six foot three. Okay.

22:35

Oh big Tom Davis then. Will he... Big Tom

22:37

Davis? Yeah. Possibly. That's a good shout. Yeah

22:39

he's he's very very big. He'll be unfortunately

22:42

detained because he'll be fighting Ricky Gervais at

22:44

that particular point so. Oh that's true. Brad

22:47

Garrett from Everyone Loves James is apparently six

22:49

foot eight inches so he's got another inch

22:51

over him. But yeah that all these people

22:53

are probably... We're very length obsessed this podcast.

22:55

We are. There's a lot of measuring going

22:57

on. Yeah it's weird isn't it? Who would

23:00

you say? Who would I say? Other

23:02

than Godzilla. I don't know but I also

23:04

I don't think you know I don't think

23:06

one necessarily needs to find someone taller than

23:08

Alan Richmond to play poorly. You just need

23:10

another great big beefsteak of a

23:12

man who looks like he needs... He needs

23:14

someone who is a... Well Arnie's probably a

23:16

bit old for it but yeah but you

23:19

need someone who's a credible physical threat. Which

23:21

is difficult because Alan Richmond has at this

23:23

point reached almost absurd proportions. He's

23:25

so hench it's almost like caricatured. How does he stand

23:28

up? How does he get close to fit him? I

23:30

feel a lot like if he were to ever fall

23:32

down he would not be able to get up on

23:34

assisted. Yeah well Jason Momoa.

23:36

There we go. Oh that's a good

23:38

shout boy. I do remember the picture

23:40

of Jason Momoa with his bodyguards on the

23:43

set of one of the films and like he was a

23:45

clear head and shoulders taller than any of them and it

23:47

was just like I think the caption someone said it's like

23:49

these are all like the little mini bosses you have to

23:51

fight before you get to the main part. He's six

23:54

foot four and he's got the

23:56

heft. He really hurts. He's a

23:58

big lad. Yeah. So

24:01

I think he's the key to the question. Perfect.

24:03

So just to be clear, so that was the listener question

24:05

this week. Who should play poorly? That's the one I've chosen

24:07

at random. Right. That's the

24:09

one that you've carefully selected

24:11

in advance. Yes. That

24:14

way. Okay, great. Okay, good. was

24:18

important to talk about height. It was good that we were able

24:20

to dispose of that quickly because Boyd, as we have discussed, has

24:22

a hard out because he has to go and watch Doctor Who.

24:25

So let us press on then from

24:28

said listener question to this week's interview. And

24:31

we've got a couple of guests this week. Obviously, as

24:33

you probably know, the responder made our shows of the

24:35

year list when it first aired in 2022. It's

24:38

back on the BBC One

24:41

this week with Martin Freeman

24:43

as Merseyside police officer Chris

24:45

Carson, a problematic law enforcement

24:47

personality who is now

24:50

determined to fly his way onto

24:52

the day shift. So the breed

24:54

of star turned responder, Martin Freeman,

24:56

stopped by to chat with Boyd

24:58

alongside the show's creator and former

25:00

Liverpoolian copper, Tony Schumacher. I

25:02

think it's about two and a half years

25:04

ago since we gathered at that hotel where

25:06

you are to launch the show, series one.

25:10

Yeah, because it started in late

25:12

January 2022. I think, oh,

25:14

actually, yes, it's called, it just finished somewhere. Well, there

25:16

would have been at the end, it would have been

25:18

like at the end of 2021, I think.

25:22

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

25:25

Yeah. So come on. Why has

25:27

it taken so long, Tony, to have to come to

25:29

the screen? Did you just have to pull your finger

25:31

out and just write the series two? And

25:33

how much of a challenge was that? I

25:35

think basically, Boyd's done some just terrible writing. Finally,

25:38

finally, someone's admitted it. You

25:41

said it enough. No,

25:44

it was just looking,

25:46

I mean, it was scheduled as well, like

25:48

obviously came into play. It

25:51

just felt that, let's

25:53

not rush this thing, you know, let's just take

25:55

our time with it. Because we had

25:57

something special our first time and it was... The

26:00

be was James's slumber. the thing

26:02

that we as yellow by you

26:04

centers and of rubbish. yes he

26:06

could be didn't we didn't wanna

26:08

do that. So I am. Yeah.

26:11

Of silly might not know that runs white. A

26:13

white that fit obviously was the one that really

26:15

has been nice. I just don't feel long as

26:17

whole because of the up. I think on

26:19

some in my life. I've tended to know.

26:23

What you did so what you between have any. Only.

26:26

Buy So yeah. We had assisted like the

26:28

second look to see Obama have another thing.

26:30

Reality as is. Yeah Cards has. Been

26:32

out for me. It feels like you believe he did get

26:35

a week alone. Feel. As

26:37

a as in once we got the

26:39

themes I'm once we got the to.

26:43

The thing that. And spell

26:45

nice. The actual

26:47

racing always came. I quickly.

26:50

Of it was a necessity. sit down

26:52

by now gonna take with it but

26:54

I think we just so proud Simon's

26:57

me and so we produce one of

26:59

the producers and adjust moves with Weeds

27:01

Assassin so soon moles the maybe that

27:03

up down a few blind alleys and

27:05

then eventually I think we all just

27:08

was and a bolt in that process

27:10

as well. we just went on on

27:12

the Motor City Fc. Let's go with

27:14

this yellow to what it was, rice

27:17

itself right? If I'm out, how involved

27:19

are you in that. Process Martin like

27:21

de de de de officers. Once in

27:23

a city that never chat with Sammy

27:25

about how sues who's gonna go home

27:27

to directories gonna have to Yeah, Spob

27:30

wouldn't make any claims of vans. Wow,

27:33

I wouldn't try and overstate that

27:35

I'm. On. So over there.

27:38

And there or thereabouts. Bomb.

27:40

In. Under. I make. The

27:43

ot appearance in the writers' room but

27:45

now it's my it's mainly utopian. chess

27:47

is like are they were down there

27:49

it away which is good it was

27:51

the we we saw a lot but

27:54

Egypt is it away. the. Good

27:56

always that if you don't have eaten joey

27:58

there because the it's. We're trying

28:01

to disassemble that this is

28:03

a really bad way to put

28:05

it. But in a way, I'm trying

28:07

to please you because I know you will only do

28:09

something that's good. Right. Surely

28:12

you're always there in that respect that I'm thinking, ah, there's no

28:14

way for him to do that. You know,

28:16

surely let's wave from this, let's

28:18

go there, let's try that. You're always there in

28:20

that respect of it. No, that's a nice thing.

28:22

You know, me and Tony do, you know, we

28:24

are in contact with each other. We do stay

28:26

in touch with each other about all sorts of

28:28

stuff. And obviously not least, this show. And

28:31

I think we've got the measure of each other's

28:33

taste and what we're sort of

28:35

after in doing this show. Because, you know, in

28:37

doing this show again, it wasn't obvious

28:40

to me that we should do the show again. No,

28:43

it wasn't obvious. That was a decision that we had

28:45

even when we were doing season one. Yeah. It

28:48

was like, what are we going to do next? It was

28:50

never like a thing that we like, yes, this next. It

28:52

was never cut and dried, you know, that this was definitely

28:54

going to be a thing. No, I was very happy with

28:56

it being a wonner. I was very

28:58

happy with it being a wonner. I'm just going to

29:00

go buck away for the tip. Were

29:04

you overly happy for it to be a wonner,

29:06

Martin, because it's such an intense role?

29:09

Does it, does it, you know, is it?

29:11

No, I would not with that reason because,

29:14

because I love the intensity of the role.

29:16

You know, I mean, it's not my, okay,

29:19

not my whole life playing that level of

29:21

intensity. Maybe not. I like some

29:23

relief as well. You know,

29:25

every actor, I think, some

29:27

people are lazy, I guess, but, but, but

29:30

most actors want to play intense

29:32

stuff, you know, because you're painfully

29:35

engaged for that 12 hours that you're in that

29:37

day. You've really worked. You've really worked hard. You've

29:40

laughed. You've cried. You've fought someone. You've shouted. You've,

29:42

you know, you've stared at a wall, all that

29:44

stuff, you know, so, so it wasn't that it

29:46

was more. I've always been

29:49

suspicious of the factory element of it, I guess, because I

29:51

don't just want to keep feeding the beast. You

29:54

know, just because you can, you know,

29:56

and I think that was lessons

29:59

learned. you

30:02

know, as a child from 40 towers and as a

30:04

young actor, Ricky and Stephen with the office

30:06

is like, no, we're done. We've done it. And

30:10

I've always really admired that I've always really admired just

30:12

people going, no, we've done what we want to do.

30:14

So I want to say and now we're off, you

30:16

know, and rather than and

30:18

here's another series. And so that the

30:21

amount of times people go, Oh, please do another one

30:23

of these, please do another one of these and you

30:25

know, it would be only a matter of time before

30:27

they went, why are they still doing this shit? Like

30:29

it turns very quickly, you know, all that thing. So

30:31

no, not because of the intensity, but I love playing

30:33

Chris. I really love playing Chris. And I feel it's

30:35

one of even though, of course, on the face

30:37

of it, he's nothing like me, I

30:39

feel I'm able to access

30:42

him as better than most

30:44

things I've done. And as at least as

30:46

well as any other role I've played, I

30:48

relate to him a lot,

30:50

a lot. And as they are, we don't have

30:53

an awful lot in common. But no,

30:56

I really I love I

30:58

love playing him. But that's all, you know, and I think

31:00

we've done a good job with, you know, with series one,

31:02

I thought, I think we've done a thing that I'm really

31:04

proud of. I just don't want

31:06

to keep doing that thing to keep pushing it, you know,

31:09

but I literally I can't hold down a job

31:11

for five minutes, you know, the idea of

31:14

clocking on, you know,

31:16

every week to do another episode of his bond and

31:18

another series of his bond is kind of just sounds

31:20

like hell to me, you know, there's so many other

31:22

things that you want to explore, you know, and yeah,

31:25

you want to try and figure out.

31:27

So I think we've all

31:29

felt like that, you know, it's

31:32

so there's so much going on in each episode

31:34

was the first couple of the new series, like,

31:36

I feel like it must take a long time

31:38

to reach that level of of intensity in the

31:40

storytelling. Like episode two, that you know, how it

31:42

all builds up with all the different elements that

31:44

got the guy in the car with

31:47

you. You know,

31:49

the two all the different characters

31:51

coming together for this bit. This

31:53

was your first series was your first TV

31:56

script, right? Is that kind of storytelling come naturally

31:58

to you? Edu

32:00

the way that really in a bit odd

32:03

and will give season to be you look

32:05

at all we got these characters yellow who

32:07

we've gotten older I've got to know when

32:09

I lived with the such alongside the it's

32:11

it's it's you're able to be bought the

32:14

some he to say I have the one

32:16

more rates with a woman I'd lay are

32:18

you know that a lot more Moscow the

32:20

will I will it's it's it's it's just

32:22

wanna squeeze as much as soon as you

32:25

possibly can in my opinion on it it's.

32:28

In a it makes it more difficult because

32:30

obviously if I'm just staying with this is

32:32

kind of I can upload a long movie

32:34

moments where great the says he says i'm

32:36

afraid you like that for page book the

32:38

reality is not want to know what's up

32:40

most of these people on a little experience

32:43

nothing with them so it's them. Yeah

32:45

oh sweet spot. Possible gonna have

32:47

a school official. Said.

32:50

In Alberta yep says. I mean I guess

32:52

we pack a lot in said fifty eight

32:54

minutes. However I do enjoy that down. Death

32:56

is not A but he was sweet with

32:58

either of them Are moments where that one

33:01

the great thing signs you either. But when

33:03

I was a cop was the moment of

33:05

silence yeah I am I now we some

33:07

substitute they are got the and she'll love

33:09

baffled by men about. Yet. A

33:11

whopping was usage of wealth

33:14

or at the Is Merton

33:16

catches those moments. In.

33:18

Shorts and almost yeah I mean you get

33:20

those moments in a but he breathes. where

33:22

does up be like through my these terrible

33:25

bombs and looking over the cliff sort of

33:27

Regency's disease and away with the so easy

33:29

to use of Riaa Rowdies we will cry

33:31

the Blm Friday's be thought of. Those.

33:34

Sorts of the earth of Chris in

33:36

the car. you know, in the kind

33:38

of with a knee non and life

33:40

suicide taxi drivers to answer Montana five

33:42

And that's just as well, I'm sure.

33:45

I'm sure at some point that was a visual.

33:48

Were. On Direct. Doesn't they are

33:50

his? Yeah, I'm Justin. It's.

33:52

Lovely. It's. Sort of kleber

33:55

also. ah, that's where. Chris.

33:57

Thrives in the heat. Hope he does want to

33:59

be alone. The either he he

34:01

likes acting alone until he

34:03

then. As. To act as

34:05

as a two hour with right. So

34:07

unless he he he can tolerate rights

34:09

of he can bet he's one of

34:11

the she's one of the few people

34:13

are he can tolerate and vice versa.

34:15

They do find each other spherical. The

34:18

I have an adult plex. generally I

34:20

put on locally and off the like

34:22

these yet I'm built that six excessively

34:24

difficult semester together. But they they found

34:26

someone. they a mesh wait you know

34:28

the I together yet. Maybe. The

34:30

helpful but that's who they are. Yes they

34:32

are a lot people kind of assumed because

34:34

you said you are very open about the

34:36

facts. I'm sorry that you took spirits some

34:38

your life and I'm seated. This jobs that

34:40

people say oh you know is is not

34:42

implying vicinity real some discs I mean you're

34:44

such an awesome got it right? As

34:47

a matter of us is what's going on with

34:49

your thoughts on and I mean I just think

34:51

Chris is like y si se Voc was awesome

34:53

police in the word under so deep snow than

34:55

I am not We use like the in the

34:57

top that is what. That's my question. You

35:00

know what? I did? I've. Still

35:02

got mates who know we. You.

35:05

Know at that made see where it would

35:07

be a lot of still you know but

35:09

it's I feel. As. If from

35:11

Paris and now than the post the

35:13

was one with do the job or

35:15

think I'm I'm I'm probably more. Posts.

35:19

Who is. A. Thumbnail of the think

35:21

a thing I have a lot Vela with

35:23

mother was when was of the job but

35:25

at the same selling kisses, his betty mulch

35:28

and exaggerated version of. What? I

35:30

was like in am sick This is a town of it's.

35:32

An amalgam of about five or

35:34

six people who I know throughout

35:37

life not just as cops and

35:39

be difficult I that I things

35:41

but I was up in of

35:43

i'm just. I'm. Just nice

35:45

point of months of black belt out

35:47

with spectacle. We have enough. guess what

35:49

annoys flow. Of

35:51

our law is less the said they

35:54

have. you got more frivolously. Proceed Golden

35:56

Molson or know. it may

35:58

be of the for at my I

36:00

might have. I don't think I've changed massively. I've changed

36:02

in some ways. I think it'd be weird

36:06

if you didn't though, wouldn't it? I think if you went through

36:08

life and you were the same person you were when you were

36:10

21, like, ah, God, you know, I'm...

36:13

So different energy. Yeah, an experience.

36:16

Yes, you get your ass kicked by

36:19

life. It's going to slow you down

36:21

a minute. Yeah, it's true. But

36:24

yeah, I mean, that's why that, you know, like

36:26

you are not ostensibly, you're not

36:29

like Chris and I'm not like Chris, but

36:31

I think we both like living there. Oh,

36:33

yeah. I think you and

36:35

me both like occupying that space artistically.

36:37

Yeah, I also... So you and

36:39

me both have, you know, we are not like

36:41

Chris, but I think there's elements of Chris. I

36:43

think there's part of you and it's part of

36:46

me. I do believe that it's somewhere in between

36:48

us. No, probably, yeah. No, probably it's a bit

36:50

of Chris. But I think we're, you know, we're...

36:53

Well, anyway, yes, we're not that person. And

36:55

also we're probably quite good at, you know,

36:57

the showbiz side of us is a bit

36:59

more up and, you know, whereas Chris doesn't

37:01

have that outlet. No, he's not in showbiz.

37:03

So all he is his

37:05

car and meeting, you know, a

37:07

lot of challenging experiences in

37:09

the course of a night. So I

37:13

don't mean, oh, he's easily where I could

37:15

be, but the thing that attracted me to

37:17

playing Chris was probably the

37:19

stuff, you know, that Tony can access, that

37:21

I can also access, which is that darker

37:23

side of stuff. It's not trying to make

37:25

us sound like interesting poets, but I think

37:27

we are probably both in our work drawn

37:29

to that. And I think that in your

37:31

real life can be a massive pain in

37:33

the ass for people around you. And I

37:36

know it sometimes is for me,

37:39

absolutely. I'm not always the easiest

37:41

person, but in

37:43

my work, that's where I like

37:45

exploring. I totally like exploring it. It's

37:48

interesting to me. I'm fascinated by it,

37:50

you know, it makes us tick. Do

38:00

you have to psych yourself up to get into the zone

38:02

supply or is it just were you back in kind of

38:05

pretty much straight away? It happens sort of as you go

38:07

really. So it's sort

38:09

of, I mean, you prepare and you

38:11

focus the mind and the

38:13

body before you get onto

38:16

set, I guess. But

38:18

it happens as soon as you put the uniform on. For

38:20

me, it happens as soon as I'm in the accent, you

38:23

move differently, you express yourself differently. And

38:26

even when he's not in the uniform, he

38:28

holds himself in a different way. I

38:31

would call it a waste of the warrant card

38:33

because it's such a melodramatic way of putting it.

38:36

But when I left the police, literally

38:40

for years afterwards, I'd always tapped

38:42

me back pocket looking for my warrant card. And

38:46

it wasn't there. And it does affect your moves

38:48

and that thing, but it also affects your carry

38:50

in that thing. I think that

38:57

to me is what Chris and what

38:59

you bring to that is the weight

39:01

of that warrant card. It's

39:03

like a conscience that you're always carrying. I

39:08

always bang on about reading Tony's

39:11

pilot script for this five years ago. And

39:13

one of the things that really attracted to me about

39:15

it was he was relatively a man of relatively few

39:17

words. And I

39:20

felt I got him immediately. Because

39:23

I understand that, but also because Tony had

39:25

painted the picture well, that you

39:27

don't need to over explain this person. You know

39:30

how he moves in the world. And I'm not

39:32

a copper, I don't claim to know much about

39:34

that job at all. But you

39:36

understand him on

39:38

a primate level. And

39:41

you understood him very, very immediately

39:43

on episode one. And

39:49

I think that's a really good part to play.

39:51

It's really good to play. It's a really good

39:53

part to play. Just selfishly. I like playing those

39:55

kind of emotions and those kind of moods and

39:58

having that colour in your palette is... It

40:01

is really why you become an actor. It

40:03

must be so juicy because he's got some even more now

40:05

in series two. I feel in series one he's got so

40:07

many moral dilemmas and so many... Yeah,

40:09

Tony's had the smart idea of bringing

40:11

his dad into it. There's

40:14

a whole other theme theme

40:16

to it. And I didn't really think, I

40:19

didn't know he was going to do that. But when he did

40:21

it, I was like, Oh, yeah, of course, that's what we need.

40:23

Yeah. And I hadn't thought about that before.

40:25

I hadn't thought about that. If I burned a tail, he's

40:27

obviously a legend, Tony, did you all have him in mind

40:29

for that? For that role? Or did you know

40:31

how to do that? You know, I didn't have

40:33

him in mind for that role. But he's the

40:35

reason why I'm a writer. There's no getting away

40:37

from him and Alan Blaisdell. The reason why probably

40:40

99% of writers in Liverpool are writers. And

40:44

it was the minute that we started talking about

40:47

casting that role, the

40:50

minute that his name was in the room, it was

40:52

like a face to complete amongst all of us. And

40:55

we had that with so many of the actors in shows. There's

40:58

so many people who the minute you

41:00

saw them, you went bang, that's the

41:03

thing we want. But the

41:05

second we started talking about burners, you

41:07

know, he's got a, when he sees that

41:09

he's got a fantasy, it is like

41:11

he does, he bends space, you know, when

41:13

he sits in that chair, like, you know,

41:16

he's sitting in that chair, you know, he's

41:19

an impressive guy. Yeah, he

41:21

is. Yeah. And I

41:23

buy him as my dad. Oh my God. Yeah, you

41:25

can buy it. Yeah. Yeah. And

41:28

you know, the honor of bringing a burners ill back to Liverpool, you

41:30

know, it's not yours. It's

41:32

a completely different character from yours. It's just

41:34

that it's your you bring the burner back

41:37

to Liverpool. Yeah. Fantastic. You

41:39

know what I mean? I settled for that. Like,

41:42

yeah. Yeah. No, it completely

41:44

works. Yeah. It's fantastic. I just, I

41:46

want to mention Kevin Elden in just in that kind of cameo.

41:48

So I mean, another great bit of casting. He's so

41:50

fantastic as this kind of. He's really good, isn't

41:52

he? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

41:55

I'm glad for him that he's doing more straight stuff, you know,

41:57

because we all know how funny he is and how funny he

41:59

is. always been but it's nice that

42:01

he's doing more of that stuff that stretches a different

42:04

muscle. You don't want to say such

42:06

a comic, you know, because it's such a cliche, like,

42:08

but is there another name that the second that we

42:10

started to talk about casting that role, it was... Yeah,

42:13

Kevin Elvin, you know, let's go with that.

42:15

Yeah. That confused,

42:18

just childlike quality. Yeah, he

42:21

does that really well. And you do feel a lot

42:24

for that character. Oh, good. He's

42:26

completely lost. He's really at sea.

42:28

He has a lovely vulnerability to

42:30

him. But also, another

42:32

thing that's nice about Tony's writing is he

42:34

offsets that with the farce

42:37

of Casey suddenly joining in

42:39

that and then we're joining. So then

42:41

we've got Scooby Doo Van. Three sort

42:43

of, three nutters in the back seat.

42:49

Yeah, it really is a farce of the car. I feel

42:51

it's so funny. Yeah, that makes the darkness

42:53

and the light and the kind of comedy

42:55

of it is fantastically woven in at that

42:57

point. Yeah, it's... That's what

43:00

you always said, you know, that when we were

43:02

first talking, the stuff that could be on

43:04

the surface of it, you know, stories, you know, sort of war

43:06

stories from the police that make most people

43:08

go, oh, that's a bit much. But there's always a

43:11

lightness to it. You know, in your talk, there's

43:13

always something that's funny as a coder. And, you

43:15

know, I've said it before, I said it again,

43:17

it was the one thing you would guarantee to

43:19

have a laugh. You know, even in the darkest

43:21

of moments, you know, it might be with a victim

43:23

of crime or it might be with a witness or

43:25

it might be with a criminal. But, you know, all

43:27

the colleagues, you have a laugh and you'd be remiss

43:29

to not remember that, you know, in

43:31

the right... You do also kind

43:33

of almost by stealth, I think, say

43:36

a lot about what's going on in the world right

43:38

now in this country, you know, mental

43:40

health, people with mental health issues, how there's no

43:42

help for them at all. You know, Kevin Elton's

43:44

character feels like a kind of summary of that

43:46

in a way. And I thought the

43:48

way you dealt with domestic abuse in series one, and

43:50

that's echoing now through series two, so it was so

43:52

powerful as well. Are these things that you... Does

43:55

it come naturally to weave those big things into

43:57

the story? Into what is a very entertaining show?

44:00

or you know, do you have to work at

44:02

that? I think it's just natural really, because I'm

44:05

like, essentially angry

44:07

about that stuff all the time,

44:09

but like, I don't want to be, I don't

44:11

want a soapbox show, you know, because there's people

44:14

who do polemics a lot better

44:16

than me. And

44:18

there's nothing worse than having a writer

44:21

like, it's episode five, there's

44:24

my speech for five pages of Martin

44:27

Staring and I'm seeing screaming about

44:29

the cats. But yeah, yeah,

44:31

you know, I mean, so

44:33

if I can do it and get, also, you know, I think the

44:36

audience don't necessarily want to see

44:38

five episodes of that, you know, so if I

44:40

know I don't. So it's kind of it's nice

44:42

for me to do it in a way which

44:44

maybe you don't realise it's happened, but if it's

44:46

things in, that's great. As you said,

44:48

Boyd, I think it's by stealth. Yeah. And I think it's, well,

44:52

there's an argument that you said that everything is

44:54

better by stealth. Yeah, you know, whether it's medicine,

44:56

or, you know, learning a lesson at school, or,

44:58

you know, whatever, rather than going,

45:01

you are now we're now going to teach you

45:03

something about the state of the nation and mental

45:05

illness and, you know, what the crisis of masculinity,

45:07

whatever, it's like, well, that always just

45:10

feels it feels icky to

45:12

me, that feels icky. But if you

45:14

tell human stories, but you're

45:16

also getting in some of this stuff

45:18

under the radar, and without

45:20

almost without me even noticing it, all

45:23

I'm interested in is doing interesting

45:25

dramatic stories, you mean,

45:28

and interaction between interesting characters, that's

45:30

what I'm interested in. And guess what,

45:32

when that happens, you

45:34

will be learning other stuff, you know,

45:36

but if you're leading with that, it

45:38

always feels too worthy to, you know,

45:40

pinpot, politico stuff, and I'm not really

45:43

into that. Is it is it easier

45:45

filming now this time around in Liverpool at night and all

45:47

of that? Do they kind of know who you are? It

45:51

was like just later on in the COVID

45:53

thing, you know, because because at the time

45:55

we were filming in 2021. And

45:57

so it was still, you know, still a bit COVID-y and it was it was

46:00

much more, it was less busy than I assumed it

46:02

would be, because I thought, Liverpool, one o'clock in the

46:04

morning, which is gonna be a bit tasty. And it

46:06

was always fine, it was

46:08

always fine. And it was fine this time as well, but

46:10

it felt more like a functioning city now. You know what

46:12

I mean, when we were there before, it

46:15

was definitely not functioning

46:17

at itself. But the way I'm almost like,

46:19

you know, when we look at dailies, you

46:21

know, and you just see the pictures, no,

46:23

nothing happening other than what we were seeing

46:25

on the screen, and we'd always have to

46:27

be very careful about making it

46:29

look like a theater set, you know,

46:32

with a backdrop. Whereas this

46:34

time, it does feel more like that. I

46:37

think the beauty of Liverpool to filming is,

46:40

Liverpool's very used to being filmed in

46:42

now. There's so much getting made there.

46:45

I think people can pass in the

46:47

background and not. Yeah,

46:49

right. You know, we don't get many

46:51

people stopping, so what's filming? People just get on

46:53

with their life, you know, and just, you know, the

46:56

film offers a grave. And

46:58

that, but I think

47:00

it's given it a slightly different vibe. The show

47:02

as well, it felt a little bit more alive

47:04

for me watching it, you know. People

47:07

love what was all. I mean, you know,

47:09

I'm sure not everyone in Liverpool does, and

47:11

I don't know. I know everyone

47:13

in Liverpool. But

47:16

I've heard certainly positive, really,

47:18

really positive reactions from

47:20

the city, from just from every, you know,

47:23

from whether it's official people or just people

47:25

in the street. They

47:27

all seemed happy to have

47:29

us. I walked my offices in the centre

47:32

of the city. This is true story. So

47:34

I walked down to my office the other

47:36

week to go and get a

47:39

shot from Gregs or something. And as I walked out

47:41

the office, there was a tour bus

47:43

going past, and I

47:45

literally, and on our

47:47

left-hand side, it is Tony Schumacher. He was

47:49

like, oh my God, Tony Schumacher. He

47:53

was like, oh, he's funny. And

47:56

I looked at all these people in the show and was looking

47:58

at me. so weird

48:00

man screaming in the next moment. I mean

48:02

it's saying that was the guy you've written

48:05

the music from the first episode where we played

48:07

a single from a band who'd spread this band

48:09

that they've now reconvened after the life of me

48:11

I can't think of the name of the band

48:14

but he's the tall guy I don't know of

48:16

course yeah and he just seen me I've never

48:18

met the guy but he recognised me I can't

48:20

think of the name of the band. And then

48:23

I got talking to him afterwards because he got me a

48:25

message he was sorry about that but I got talking to

48:27

him afterwards and he said the number

48:29

of people who say on that bus

48:33

about Liverpool, talk about Liverpool, talk about

48:35

watching the show the first time the

48:37

number of people who mention him to

48:40

show everything else the number of people who

48:42

I meet just at the match or just

48:44

understood recently talking about it it's

48:47

been phenomenal. How

48:49

are you feeling finally Tony about Everton another two

48:52

points deducted. Oh do

48:54

you know what mate this was going so

48:56

well boys. I'm sorry. Oh

48:59

mate I'm a social teleprompter either

49:01

we it's just oh

49:04

it's just so good person it's almost like I just

49:06

want you know my mate's dog at the moment is

49:09

coming to the end of its life and it keeps falling over every

49:11

time it has a poo in the garden and

49:13

and everyone keeps saying mate just take it to rest

49:15

and get it put down that's how I feel about

49:17

it at the moment let's just go to rest and

49:19

get it put down let's just get it over with

49:22

yeah honestly keep falling and add all that shit yeah

49:25

on that on that note but

49:27

yeah I get it I get it yeah thank you

49:29

so much congratulations on a brilliant start to see you

49:31

soon as well thank you cheers mate thank you

49:35

that was mine Freeman and Tony Schumacher and it's

49:37

time now for news K do you want

49:39

to regale us with the news that you

49:41

tease so tantalizingly earlier on. The

49:43

news that I thought James would particularly be excited

49:46

about is that Fallout has been renewed for a

49:48

second season on Amazon Prime Video. That's

49:50

that's yeah I'm interested to see where it goes

49:52

actually I would like to see more of this

49:54

I got sufficiently um shall

49:58

we say intrigued by the ongoing going

50:00

story arc. I want to know where it goes. Well,

50:02

good news all around there. Also,

50:04

some Paramount Plus news. They've announced

50:06

further casting for the original drama

50:08

Curfew, that's the working title. So

50:11

Lucy Benjamin, Larry Lamb, Bobby Brazier and Anita

50:13

Dobson will be joining the cast. So it's

50:15

a bit of an East Enders reunion there.

50:18

A bit? It's like you're only allowed to be in

50:20

this cast if you've been in East Enders. It's weird.

50:22

I found that really odd. There's nothing wrong with that. I

50:25

mean James doesn't, again James doesn't know who you're

50:27

talking about. All four cast members in this show, James, used

50:29

to be in East Enders. That's not right. That's weird, isn't

50:32

it? I mean, but surely if you go back

50:34

down most British actors' CVs, you'll find out that

50:36

they're on there somewhere. These were big part, these

50:39

were not just, you know, like happened to be

50:41

in the episode of The Bill. These were ongoing

50:43

famous East Enders characters. Yeah, all good

50:45

actors. And now they're all being cast in another show.

50:47

Apparently, it's just, I think it's bizarre.

50:50

Anyway, carry on. Anyway,

50:52

it's an adaptation of Jane Cowie's novel

50:54

After Dark. West Enders. And

51:00

yeah, I'll read the press release. It says, in

51:02

a society governed by the Women's Safety Act, where

51:04

men are tracked by an ankle tag.

51:07

And full source East Enders. And

51:09

confined to their homes watching East Enders by a strict

51:11

curfew from 7pm every night. A

51:14

woman's body is discovered brutally murdered in curfew

51:16

hours. So yeah, intriguing.

51:20

Colour me intrigued. They've announced some guest stars in

51:22

the news through the part stopper. You

51:25

see this? Quite interesting. It's kind of

51:27

gone. You could say it's gone up a notch.

51:30

Johnny Bailey, who we interviewed on

51:32

this very podcast. Case favorite. Seems

51:34

to be seen in Bridgerton again. Yeah, back in Bridgerton soon.

51:36

He's in it. Hayley Aswell.

51:39

Absolutely brilliant star of Mission Impossible. Which

51:41

one was it, James? The most

51:43

recent one. Yeah. Dead Reckoning

51:45

Part One. Thank you. Hayley Aswell and Eddie Marsan. Oh

51:47

wow. Marsan, they're all going

51:50

to be in Heartstopper Season 3.

51:52

Atwell will play Diane, Nick's aunt,

51:54

who takes him on a summer

51:56

holiday to Menorca. Marsan will play

51:58

Jeff, Charlie's wife. and straight-talking

52:01

therapist who first appeared in the

52:03

Heartstopper graphic novels. And Johnny Bailey

52:05

will make a cameo appearance as

52:07

Jack Maddox, an Instagram famous classicist

52:10

and celebrity crush of course. I

52:12

can see that. Yeah, there you go. So three... How

52:14

exciting. Yeah, yeah. Because Olivia,

52:16

I think they know who Olivia Common

52:18

wouldn't be in the series because she's

52:21

obviously quite busy. But I

52:23

think those stars would add

52:25

hugely to the next third season. Absolutely.

52:29

The trailer was released for the fourth season of

52:31

Trying. I don't know if anyone saw that. So

52:34

that's going to be back on the 22nd

52:36

of May on Apple TV+. And

52:39

we will have interviewed the two stars,

52:41

Rafe Spall and Esther Smith as well.

52:43

Indeed. And interviewed that took

52:46

place this very day. Exactly. Did

52:48

you see that Steve Carell

52:50

and Tina Fey are doing a

52:52

Netflix show called Four Seasons?

52:54

Is it a film? That's

52:56

a series. Oh. Yeah. Steve

52:58

Carell sets the star opposite Tina Fey in the

53:00

upcoming Netflix comedy series The

53:03

Four Seasons. The series

53:05

is based on the 1981... This is the

53:07

interesting bit. It's based on the 1981 film

53:09

of the same name that was directed by

53:11

and starring Alan Alda with Carol

53:14

Burnett, Rita Moreno, Sandy Dennis and

53:16

Len Carriou. And

53:18

that is one of my favourite films. The

53:21

Four Seasons... I feel like you say that a lot. Well,

53:23

I've got a lot of favourite films. OK, fine. But

53:26

it is. And I went to see that when I... So I went

53:28

to see that when it came out of the cinema. My parents took

53:30

me to see that, me and my brother. So I would have been

53:32

67, 77,

53:35

14 years old. And I absolutely

53:37

loved it. It uses the Vivaldi

53:39

Four Seasons piece of music

53:41

in it all the way through. And

53:44

it traces these different interrelationships across the Four Seasons in

53:46

a year. But I think it's... I loved Alan Alda

53:48

when I was growing up in MASH, obviously he was

53:50

from MASH and he made a few films himself. And

53:52

this is, I think, the best one. I absolutely loved

53:54

it. I haven't seen it for years. So I've now

53:57

been spurred on to go and see it. And I

53:59

wonder if it's... It's gonna be shit, but

54:01

I hope not. So yeah,

54:03

the four seasons coming up with Steve Carell and

54:05

Tina Fey. Between Steve Carell, there

54:07

is a spinoff of The Office US coming,

54:10

and they announced two cast members, didn't they Boydy? I

54:13

don't know, I haven't heard this story. They have Boydy, they have

54:15

announced a spinoff of The Office, and it has cast someone

54:17

very near and dear to this podcast

54:20

in a central role. Do you know who it is? No.

54:23

Don Lison! Oh my god! Absolutely

54:25

true. Wow, that's exciting. Very exciting,

54:27

yeah. Congratulations listening as

54:29

you are to this podcast. World famous Aston

54:31

Villa fan, Donal Gleason, who sat

54:34

next to me at the Austin Villa game where they beat his

54:36

2-0 and possibly ruined our season with food. Oh,

54:38

that is bitter. That's

54:40

exciting. Yes, that was true. Severance

54:44

season two has finished filming. Finally, that was

54:46

rough. It has taken a long time, but

54:48

they have done. They are done with season

54:50

two, so I don't know when we're gonna

54:52

get it, but at least it is shot.

54:54

And speaking of Apple Things, Neuromancer, another one

54:56

of Apple's thoughtful elite sci-fi shows has added

54:59

Callum Turner from Master of the Air to its constant. No. So,

55:02

good news there too. Hunky Callum Turner.

55:04

Hunky Callum Turner. And there's

55:07

a, do you know there's a Becoming Karl Lagerfeld series on

55:09

Disney Plus? Oh, yes. I did see an

55:11

advert for it, yeah. I thought of that, and I thought of James

55:13

immediately. Because they

55:15

did the Balenciaga. Right.

55:17

Yeah. The second, I think

55:20

it's quite weird, isn't it? Disney Plus going

55:22

for another series about a real-life fashion designer.

55:24

It's a real, like, new genre almost. We've

55:26

had loads of them recently. This

55:28

stars Daniel Broul, who's always very

55:31

good as the iconic

55:33

fashion designer. Then I've unveiled the

55:35

trailer. It looks

55:37

quite fun, actually, I thought from the trailer. It's

55:39

gonna arrive in the US on June 7th and

55:42

quite soon after, I think, on Disney Plus. And

55:45

it has got lots of famous people in it

55:47

as well, like these other fashion designers have as

55:49

well. What's the third one? What's

55:51

the other one? Neuromancer. So it

55:53

was one about Balenciaga. What's the other one?

55:55

Kristin Dior. Oh, Dior, that's

55:57

not Dior. The famous people. that

56:00

are going to be depicted in this show

56:03

include Marlena Dietrich, who will be

56:05

played by Sonny Melle, Melle from

56:07

Triangle to Southerners, don't have to

56:09

pronounce her name, sorry, Paloma Picasso

56:11

will be in it, played by

56:13

Jean Damasse, and

56:16

Andy Warhol will pop up, played by Paul Sparrow, et

56:18

cetera, so that's kind of, you know, it could be

56:20

quite interesting, but no, I've got a fashion designer for

56:22

seeing at the moment. Fair

56:24

enough. Well, ignore it then, except

56:26

we'll probably end up reviewing it on this very podcast

56:29

because that, Kay, is what we do. This

56:32

is the life we chose, the life we

56:34

lead. There's but one guarantee, none of us

56:37

will see a decent show. Right, let's

56:39

wrap up news there, shall we? Excellent,

56:41

excellent. Let's move on then to

56:44

this week's reviews, and we begin

56:46

with your aforementioned, exclusively subtitled show,

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Spy Master or Spy Slash Master,

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to give its proper punctuation, and

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this is on BBC Four. There's a cardboard

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thriller about a Romanian intelligence officer and kind

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of that right-hand man to the Romanian dictator,

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and he's not only a mole for the

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KGB, but he's also looking to defect to

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the United States. He's been a very busy

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little bee. Kay, please tell us,

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was this a show that you would defect

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for? Yes, I would.

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I found this really gripping. As

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you say, yeah, he's a spy, he's

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a right-hand man of the Romanian

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president, yet he's spying for

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the Russians and also is set to

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defect, and this follows him

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across one week, which I

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quite enjoy, right? So there's not too many

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time-hopping we've seen recently. So

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this is an interesting question here, because I

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wasn't sure if there was time hopping going

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on or not. I got quite confuddled at

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various points in this. There was a couple,

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yeah, but it's not very signposted, is

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it? No, no. So you're just like, is this,

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did this take place before? Are

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we still in Germany? Where are we now?

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I was very... They've expected you to get

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a grip on the fact that they're flashbacking.

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They are flashbacking. Yes, I got

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a little bit confused with the bit when the American embassy

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and I... Yeah, but

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it wasn't basically my benchmark for it

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now is feud with the

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ridiculous man. The five different time hops

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in the space of like 20 minutes.

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So that was what we did

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last week. And so I was quite relieved when it

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wasn't as as time hoppy. But

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yeah, I just found it completely fascinating,

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intense, and incredibly compelling, just

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because I love to see all the spy

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ways. Yeah, and I just found him a

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really fascinating character, played by Alex, so Kariani.

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So overall, I really, really did enjoy this. And

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the fact that it's based on real

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life as well, always makes it. He's a

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fictional character, though. He is a fictional character. Sorry,

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yes, but he is based on a gentleman whose

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name I'm not even going to try and attempt. And

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Nicola Ceausescu was the

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actual leader of Romania at that

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time, who uses because he's confident.

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What do you think, boy? Well, I liked it as

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well. I did get annoyed by the time jumping.

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It does time jump. And I just thought

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it was unnecessary, particularly in this case, where

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so this the setup is that he's been

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caught or about to be caught, because

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he's a double agent, partly working from

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Moscow, but he's still Chachascos, you

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know, like right hand man or whatever. And

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then he then he goes to get, you

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know, to what's the word when you go

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to America, when you're a news fight effect

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effect, it goes to the effect to America

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with the help of American secret

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service people. And you see that early on, and

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then it flashes back without telling you it's flashing

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back to what happened earlier that week, as you

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say, it does say that it says, say 10 days

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early or something, or four days early. Okay, it

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flashed. I missed that as well. Are you sure

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you didn't

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imagine that? Interesting. No, it definitely did. Or did you

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get one with different subtitles? Both

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of us didn't notice. Yeah. Interesting. I wonder if

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this boy, he might have been watching the chase

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at the same time. And I could have been

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like doing something else. They

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said because I remember thinking, Oh, okay. So this was

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I got that even without that, I got that it was

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flashing back. But I just didn't

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I didn't quite see the point of that.

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I thought I thought it would be gripping

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enough in chronological order. But then I do

1:00:10

think that anything, right? Well, yeah, I do.

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And I have to. I

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know because I do think that's a big

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boy bugbear. I feel it is my bugbear

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and I still maintain that probably more

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than half the time this happens. And it is

1:00:23

a very fashionable thing now, particularly.

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I think we've reached peak TV, reached

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peak messing around in time TV. And

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it's just a bit of a lazy way of telling

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stories. But they didn't put me off entirely because I

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do think it was really gripping. And he is fantastic.

1:00:36

He was brilliant in God's own country. The

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Alex to carry on here. And he's great

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in this because he's constantly on edge. And

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you were reminded me of which kind of totally

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coincidentally, I watch. I watched

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on TV last week BBC One show Tinker Tailor Soldier

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Spy, the Gary Oldman version,

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the film, which is which

1:00:56

is no one is kind. It's one of my favorite films. And

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two in one show. Fucking brilliant,

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that film. And that is an object lesson

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in how to adapt a

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spy story, how to tell a spy story.

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And there are flashbacks in that, but they've

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shown in so brilliantly. And obviously,

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from John the Kerry. This has got a

1:01:14

very strong John the Kerry vibe and the

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Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy visually, if it was

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very similar, because it's a similar period. The

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cars and the the kind of architecture and

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all of that is very similar to what

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to what you'll see in the film of

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Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy. And even

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the pace of it and the kind of

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the everything. I think I've

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no idea. I haven't read any issues, any of the creators

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or anything like that. But it just feels like heavily influenced

1:01:37

by that film in particular. And why wouldn't it be? Because

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that is an object lesson, how to do this kind of

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story. And it does. And the thing the

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reason I think people love spy stories so much of

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intelligence, counterintelligence, molds, etc.

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It's because they are edgy all the way

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through. You're constantly. Will you be exposed? You

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know, you could be killed at any minute.

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Basically, this guy. So it's

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intrinsically tense. And I think. they

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handle that tension very well. So

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yeah, I was good with buying them. Also great tips to what

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to do in a hotel if you want to see if anyone's

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been snooping her out. So he's really overly harsh

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to his daughter is all I would say. I

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mean his daughter is a drawing I

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thought he was protecting her mostly from the

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mother and then and in

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that instance when which you're referring to I think

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it's because he was worried about if that picture

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was found. That was my interpretation

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initially until he, I thought

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that's why he was doing it and I thought that

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would be revealed as a reason why he'd do it

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but then he doubled down by just being a colossal

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twat. So I was like oh maybe you're just a

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dick. What was he as well? Well what he then

1:02:38

says when he did is that he

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didn't need to do that. He didn't need to say

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what he said. All I would say is he was

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stressed out other times. I'm very judgmental about things like

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that. I'm like no terrible parent, I'm not having it.

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Yeah oh god I mean yeah. Oh my god please

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do not get into it. No I agree with

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you. I found that a bit much that

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he was my sympathy for. I was like

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come on discover him, kill him, kill him,

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catch him, KGB, get him. Something like being

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a bit extreme. Yeah I didn't like that.

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Also you know poor daughter like the haircut

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that he inflicted on her as well was

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borderline child abuse. So you know it was

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it was it was rough. I thought the

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spy craft in this sort of varied slightly

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like on the one hand as you were

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saying like his hotel room stuff like the

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paper in the door thing felt a bit

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basic. You know it worked. It

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was supposed to be like the head spy

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guy. It surely is a better way of

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doing that but hey you know maybe they're

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classics are classics for a reason. I quite

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enjoyed the when he has a meeting with

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I guess as the CIA station chief and

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the way they do that the kind of

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meeting in the changing thing. I thought that

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was kind of cool. Yeah that had had

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its moments. Yeah I

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was moderately diverted. Oh jeez.

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Come on. But again I

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didn't warm to him massively. He's a

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very stoic character like he's a very

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you know flat keeps all his feelings

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inside. No exterior displays of emotion like

1:03:59

Gary Olberton. And that's what you'd

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expect, right? You'd have to be like that. But like,

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you know, we're telling him, yeah, covers

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blown, you're about to be killed. He

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reacts with absolute stoicism to all things.

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So it's quite hard to work out what makes him tick

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or sort of figure out quite what's going on beneath the

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surface. And then of course, there is the fact that I

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was genuinely quite confused by the chronology. Like I was a

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bit like, I don't know what's happening at this stage. But

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that might have just been me just being

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confuddled. You've made me

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doubt now whether that day's earlier thing to do.

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Yeah, you made it up. If

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anyone watches it, let us know. Interesting.

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Well, I should imagine this, this has aired elsewhere previously. I

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think aired, I want to say in the, in the US

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on HBO last year. Yeah. HBO Max. HBO

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Max. I think this is one of their,

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I read some of their final productions from

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the version of HBO Max before they became

1:04:49

Max. Yeah. Sorry about that. So it's very

1:04:51

much an international co-production, including America with a

1:04:54

lot of American money. Yeah. It was on

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America, already good reviews on American TV. And

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it's going to be, should I tell you when it's

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on? Yeah. It's on BBC four, which is in fact

1:05:03

a real channel. Yeah. BBC four. And it's in their,

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their traditional Saturday night, foreign

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language drama slot that Kay particularly loves.

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That's why it's day and on a Saturday. Yeah. So it's on

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Saturday, 4th of May, BBC four, 2024, 9pm. And it'll all

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be on the iPlayer that

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very evening as well, I believe. There

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you go. Excellent. Next

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up, we have Shardlake on Disney

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plus, which is based on the series

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of historical novels by CJ Sansom and

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is set during the time of Henry

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VIII and sees crime solving barrister Matthew

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Shardlake on a mission to dissolve the

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monasteries. Boydie, please roll up

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your green sleeves and

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tell us, is this a show you'd

1:05:45

like to see more of or is it

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on a par with other great historical

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thrillers? And I can think of no

1:05:51

other puns that match Henry VIII's I'm

1:05:53

going to stop there. Oh,

1:05:55

is that what you're doing? Jane Seymour. Yeah,

1:06:00

yeah, clearly not seen sex. No, no. What

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was the just try me what this was

1:06:04

a bit like literally now as I was

1:06:06

thinking about What what this show was like

1:06:08

it was the you know, the medieval and

1:06:10

crime drama film with the name of the

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rose I'm a mr. Sean Connery wait medieval

1:06:14

you mean set in simple Sorry,

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I'm sorry, I'm gonna have something that okay that is a

1:06:20

pilot plus gag and therefore will not fly on the regular

1:06:22

Yeah, yeah Yes,

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this also has big monk energy big monkey So

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yeah, the name of the rose was was a

1:06:30

really good film not one of my favorites, but it's a good film

1:06:33

Where which is the investigation into a murder

1:06:35

involving monk monks and stuff like that? And

1:06:37

this is but this is based on this

1:06:39

a series of novels by CJ Sansom. I

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haven't read any of them of you No,

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I have never but did you like a

1:06:45

novel? Series done I do

1:06:47

but I like fantasy novels and I already

1:06:49

read, you know historical So yeah fiction fact

1:06:52

isn't enough for you. No factor me up

1:06:55

so this is 16th

1:06:57

century England when Thomas Cromwell

1:07:00

was busy kind of dissolving

1:07:02

monasteries Because Henry VIII was

1:07:04

kind of like getting involved with the Catholics

1:07:06

and stuff like that And Cromwell wanted to

1:07:09

wanted to stop them and he was power

1:07:11

hungry So he's like hell bent

1:07:13

on getting rid of them and one of

1:07:15

the commissioners one of criminal commissioners

1:07:17

and is murdered right at The

1:07:19

start of the show of the

1:07:21

story in a monastery in the

1:07:23

remote town of sconsey And he

1:07:25

gets local lawyer Matthew Shardlake of

1:07:27

the title played by Arthur Hughes

1:07:30

who was in that one-off drama

1:07:32

then Barbara met Alan which is

1:07:34

about disabled campaigners and

1:07:36

they get him to investigate and his Forks

1:07:38

to take on a sidekick Played

1:07:41

by Anthony Boyle who's recently been in Masters of

1:07:43

the Air and lots of other stuff called Jack

1:07:45

and together They set out to find

1:07:47

out why the hell this guy was

1:07:49

killed and you get to see Thomas

1:07:51

Cromwell played by Sean Bean Looking

1:07:53

like he's having a riot over time. I have

1:07:56

to say in He's loving being

1:07:58

a loving it is elaborate period

1:08:00

costume. It deals

1:08:03

with issues of the

1:08:05

time of what it was like. There's only

1:08:07

one major female character played

1:08:09

by Ruby Ashborn-Circus who works as a

1:08:11

monastery and she's a very, I

1:08:14

would say, modern woman. She comes

1:08:16

across as the kind of woman you'd expect

1:08:18

to be, the way she deals with men

1:08:20

and her dialogue, etc., in the 21st century

1:08:22

rather than in the 16th century.

1:08:25

But if you're only going to have

1:08:27

one female character in your show, you

1:08:29

might also make them a good, interesting,

1:08:32

funny, well-scripted female character. And I thought

1:08:34

Ruby Ashborn-Circus was really good as her.

1:08:37

It deals with issues of disability

1:08:39

and of course the actor who

1:08:42

plays and the main role, Shardlake,

1:08:44

after use is disabled himself. So that's

1:08:46

like, you know, it's not so long since

1:08:48

any disabled character on TV or film was

1:08:50

played by someone who wasn't disabled with any

1:08:52

disabilities. So that's a very important bit

1:08:54

of casting detail, I think. And he's really good as

1:08:57

well. I think the character is charismatic. He

1:08:59

takes no shit from anyone, including his

1:09:02

forced psychic play-bonerty boy, as

1:09:04

I said. And it

1:09:06

deals with sexuality among the monks and, you

1:09:08

know, there's a kind of question mark as

1:09:10

to what are they all kind of scared

1:09:12

of stuff? They're all scared of being exposed,

1:09:14

of having, you know, beneath the religious order

1:09:16

that they're part of, the kind of secrets

1:09:18

and lies that that entails. And that's quite

1:09:20

interesting. I thought it was, it's only a

1:09:22

four-parter. I assume this is going to, you

1:09:24

know, they'd like to carry on making other

1:09:27

four-parters of CJ Sansford novels, because there's loads

1:09:29

of them. There's loads of Shardlake novels. But

1:09:33

I thought it was, I thought it was decent. I

1:09:35

feel a little bit about how James said

1:09:38

he felt about the Spive thing.

1:09:40

I didn't love it. I thought there was enough in

1:09:42

it to warrant, you know, kind

1:09:45

of perseverance. Oh, I enjoy that. Well, I

1:09:47

enjoy it because I enjoy that period of time,

1:09:49

but also... Medieval times. E.L.D.

1:09:52

times. But also, I

1:09:54

really liked it because of Arthur

1:09:57

Hughes' performance and

1:09:59

also his... kind of chemistry with Anthony

1:10:01

Boyle. Because together they're like this

1:10:03

mismatched couple and duo trying

1:10:06

to embark on this mission and they

1:10:08

just have quite, they're constantly

1:10:10

like bickering each other sparring plus

1:10:12

become love rivals if you will

1:10:14

over Ruby Ashbourne's circus' character Alice.

1:10:18

And as you say it's really interesting because

1:10:20

R.P. Hughes is disabled

1:10:22

himself, he's playing this character who

1:10:24

in Tudor times was sort

1:10:27

of mocked openly because of his scoliosis and

1:10:29

it deals with all that and the fact

1:10:31

that you know it affects his confidence with

1:10:33

the fairer sex so it explores all that.

1:10:36

And I just think that's really interesting because I haven't

1:10:38

seen that a lot in you know a

1:10:40

mainstream drama like that. He also has spoken about

1:10:42

and said you know to have a character that

1:10:44

is clearly disabled but it's one of the least

1:10:46

interesting things about him and I think it's true.

1:10:49

But yeah I'm just really interested in that dynamic

1:10:51

those two men on that mission and

1:10:54

also this obviously a love triangle adds an extra

1:10:56

dimension to it so I liked it. I

1:10:58

thought it was a good period drama. I honestly was

1:11:00

more interested in the wider setting than

1:11:02

I was about the plot of the

1:11:04

show like the dissolution of the monastery.

1:11:07

So when Henry Eddy essentially turned against

1:11:09

Catholicism and started dismantling the sort of

1:11:11

papist infrastructure in England which

1:11:13

is kind of that's the backdrop to this but this is

1:11:15

you know on the face of it kind of a bit

1:11:17

of a murder mystery but those are that's the politics going

1:11:19

on beneath it. The murder mystery didn't

1:11:21

cut me in at all. I found

1:11:24

most of the characters sort of borderline

1:11:26

irritating. It wasn't like hugely fond of

1:11:28

them but I really liked the monkeyness

1:11:31

like the monkey business. 100% here for it but

1:11:33

the rest of it less so. So I you

1:11:35

know who's the mysterious monk in the gallery who

1:11:38

won't say anything but is watching everything like what's

1:11:40

going on you know beneath the surface of the

1:11:42

monastery. Are they going to find a way to

1:11:44

you know accuse the monastery of you know whatever

1:11:46

it is they want to accuse them on because

1:11:48

Henry Eddy ultimately wanted to seize the monastery and

1:11:50

dissolve it. Like all of that stuff

1:11:52

was really good but I didn't like Shardlake as a

1:11:54

character. I didn't really sort

1:11:57

of gel with men. I found him

1:12:00

by design he's quite abrasive, right? Like he's

1:12:02

quite abrasive, he's quite obnoxious. Yeah,

1:12:05

he is. I think he's got his heart in the right

1:12:07

place, like he definitely sort of like, you

1:12:10

know, puts up the good fight, he sticks up one

1:12:12

of the monks who's being abused by another monk. But

1:12:14

equally, he comes across to me as a bit of

1:12:16

a bellend. And, you know, that

1:12:18

doesn't disqualify him from being an excellent barrister

1:12:20

and investigator. But when you also combine that

1:12:22

with, yeah, thank you. When

1:12:24

you combine that with like a murder, where I just

1:12:27

again, I wasn't particularly invested, I don't know who the

1:12:29

person who was murdered was, he can't apparently knew him,

1:12:31

I didn't. So, you know, I was like, well, so

1:12:33

wasn't that interested in that. And I don't think they

1:12:35

really found a way certainly in that first episode to

1:12:37

make the murder compelling in and of itself. I

1:12:40

think, you know, again, they you're curious, like, what

1:12:42

is this mad monk at dinner who like tries

1:12:44

to stab him and it's like, you know, going

1:12:47

berserk in this very anti monarchy, you know, that's

1:12:49

interesting. Babou Sisay, who's obviously great as the Abba,

1:12:51

you know, that like his role in it, because

1:12:53

he plays his cards very close to his chest,

1:12:55

quite enjoyed that. Like I say, all about the

1:12:57

monk stuff, but less so the shard leg stuff.

1:13:00

So I was again, I was like, yes,

1:13:02

fine. Yeah, I kind of agree about the

1:13:06

crime not being that involving

1:13:08

and I can quite spend enough

1:13:10

time setting up why it should

1:13:12

we should be that interested in it, as opposed to the name

1:13:15

of the rose wherein the crime is really interesting. I seem

1:13:18

to remember I keep referring to films,

1:13:20

other films, as opposed to the shows we're reviewing, but I

1:13:22

think it's fair enough in this case, because he's a similar

1:13:24

vibe. It definitely is a similar vibe to name of the

1:13:27

rose. And I think yeah, yeah,

1:13:29

yeah, I agree. I agree with James about the murder.

1:13:31

Sorry. Okay. Yeah, they don't pose like

1:13:33

me. I pose rise to the shard leg. I

1:13:35

like shard leg character. I disagree. I think I

1:13:37

think he's a bit of a bet. I know

1:13:40

what you mean, but he's I think he owns

1:13:42

the right. I think you get the sense he's

1:13:44

earned the right to be a bit spiky. Oh,

1:13:46

he's definitely yeah, he's definitely had a hard time.

1:13:48

It's a very particular point. We see him as

1:13:50

a flashback. He has a flashback as a boy.

1:13:53

And that was an interaction with a priest. Yeah,

1:13:55

not that kind of interaction. But like, yeah, and

1:13:57

it's just that and so you get the sense that this is something that

1:14:00

has dogged him his entire life. Yeah, that

1:14:02

was a good thing. That moment. Yeah, it

1:14:04

was powerful. Yes. Well, Shardlake then, uh, monkey

1:14:06

business, uh, which has on Disney Plus, when

1:14:09

boy D Disney Plus Wednesday, the

1:14:11

first of May, 2024. I'd

1:14:14

say I just remembered, you know, it's something struck me. You

1:14:16

know, the person who I think pointed out that we want,

1:14:18

they need, we need to, to remember, remind people when shows

1:14:20

are on, but he also wanted to mention at the beginning

1:14:22

of the review. You remember that? Oh yeah. That was one

1:14:24

of the things. So that's which I always do. Did

1:14:27

you know? Every single one, I always say what channel it's

1:14:29

on. No, I say what

1:14:31

channel it's on. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

1:14:33

Yeah. Always saying what channel it's on. Oh my God.

1:14:35

Isn't that awful? We're actually sitting with him. I

1:14:38

mean, it's kind of thing he would do. That

1:14:40

is absolutely. I can confirm

1:14:42

it's on Disney Plus. It is on Disney Plus. Yeah. Finally,

1:14:46

finally, finally, finally, we have series two

1:14:48

of the responder, which as we already

1:14:50

know, was created by former live a

1:14:52

public and copper Tony Schumacher, who we

1:14:54

heard from earlier and is loosely based

1:14:56

on his experiences working the night shift

1:14:58

in Merseyside. Kay, would

1:15:00

you like to be our first responder on this one or

1:15:02

to once again, quote Peter

1:15:04

Sarafinowicz in the

1:15:06

gentleman. Are you going to be a fucking

1:15:09

chicken? Oh God. Wow. I'll

1:15:12

find out you could be locked up for that. Yes,

1:15:15

I will be the first responder. Obviously,

1:15:17

this is a fantastic show and

1:15:20

it was a massive hit. When did it, when was series

1:15:22

one? Was it in 22 or 22? Yeah,

1:15:25

22. Okay. So well, as

1:15:27

series two picks up, so

1:15:29

Chris is, he's having a hard

1:15:31

time. I mean, Chris is always having a hard time played

1:15:33

by Martin Friedman. He is now dealing

1:15:35

with the fact that his estranged wife, played

1:15:37

by a Myanna Burring is potentially

1:15:40

going to get a job in London, which would mean

1:15:42

that his daughter Tilly is taken away from him and

1:15:44

he can't cope with that. So he

1:15:46

is sort of going all

1:15:48

out to try and get a day job. He

1:15:50

wants to get out of the being a first

1:15:52

responder and he wants to forge a new life

1:15:54

so that he can spend more time with his daughter,

1:15:56

but it's not going to plan. And while he's trying

1:15:58

to avoid all kind of. the illegal activities

1:16:01

and the underhand stuff that went on

1:16:03

season one, he's very quickly drawn in

1:16:05

again on the

1:16:07

promise that he can get a day job. So that's where we

1:16:09

find him. Also he's now, so

1:16:12

Rachel, his former partner, is now

1:16:14

working alongside a new

1:16:17

character called Eric, played by Ian

1:16:19

Paulston Davis, who's a

1:16:21

very different kettle of fish to Chris, but

1:16:24

ultimately she does kind of miss

1:16:27

the adrenaline provided by Chris's shenanigans.

1:16:30

And so they end up pairing up again,

1:16:32

but at what cost and that's what we're

1:16:34

going to learn. As always, it's incredibly tense.

1:16:38

And we always say, I mean, I

1:16:40

always say this, but Freeman's live a puddly

1:16:42

accent, unlike James's is so

1:16:44

superb. Our accents are indistinguishable. You could

1:16:46

be as on the study. Freeman did say, we cut

1:16:49

out of the interview, he did say, by the way,

1:16:51

you know, thanks for the compliments about my accent, but

1:16:53

it's not as good as James's. Did it at any

1:16:55

point ask you to be a chicken? He didn't, but

1:16:57

all the less color out. But

1:17:01

I just, it's just so good, isn't it? Is

1:17:03

the storytelling is excellent and as are the performances.

1:17:05

And I just think this time around, also you

1:17:07

get to see more of Chris's, like you get

1:17:09

to see his dad and

1:17:12

you kind of explore their relationship. You see

1:17:14

why Chris is how he is and

1:17:17

how he went under fire and

1:17:19

like really back against the wall and needing

1:17:21

help. He has to turn to his dad

1:17:23

who actually has a really difficult fucked

1:17:26

up relationship with. And

1:17:28

yeah, I just, that played by Bernard Hill, who

1:17:30

was in the boys of the black stuff in

1:17:33

the, in the, I think you mean the

1:17:35

King Theoden of Rohan. No,

1:17:38

I don't mean that. Yes, that

1:17:40

as well. But a legendary, a legendary

1:17:42

figure, particularly in live a puddly and

1:17:44

the lesbian activity carry on. No,

1:17:47

I did it. I think it's, I think it's brilliant.

1:17:50

It is so good. And it's one of

1:17:52

those shows. It's almost hard to pinpoint why

1:17:54

it is so good. I think it's, I

1:17:56

think the right, you know, Tony Schumacher, this

1:17:58

was his first TV show. script. You

1:18:01

know, he'd done novels

1:18:03

before, I think a couple of novels, absolute

1:18:05

object lesson on how to tell

1:18:08

stories that are quite intimate.

1:18:11

Like, for example, here's an example where like

1:18:13

in the first series, there's this kind of

1:18:15

two of the younger characters, Emily Furnas Casey,

1:18:17

who was the initial spark for the whole

1:18:20

story in a way, because she nicked

1:18:22

some drugs from the local kingpin, the

1:18:24

local crim, and he

1:18:28

was worried about her safety and her

1:18:30

welfare, Chris. And so he got embroiled

1:18:32

in this whole world when he was

1:18:34

trying to do the right thing by

1:18:36

this vulnerable young woman. She's back in

1:18:38

this series, and she's still like, she's

1:18:40

such a vivid character. And

1:18:43

she and her mate, who's

1:18:45

played by Josh Finan,

1:18:47

Marco, his back as well. And they're like a

1:18:49

double act, the way they bounce off each other.

1:18:51

And they're really funny. And but they're both in

1:18:54

here with kind of incredible hardship as well. And

1:18:56

his girlfriend has just given birth

1:18:58

to his kid. And I thought the scenes

1:19:00

where she's off like being arraigned in court,

1:19:02

basically, and probably going to end up in

1:19:04

jail, and he has to look after his

1:19:07

newborn child. And just those moments, the depiction

1:19:09

of that him having him not even thinking

1:19:11

about it, and just like, Oh, the mum's

1:19:13

gonna look after it's fine. And then being

1:19:15

literally landed this baby and not having having

1:19:18

the baby left, literally left on and not

1:19:20

having any idea about nappies feeding,

1:19:23

no concept, no clue. And it's

1:19:25

so brilliantly done. Like that little

1:19:27

subplot, really, if you like not, you

1:19:30

know, from the main action, it was

1:19:32

so fantastically done. The dialogue, the acting,

1:19:34

the scene, it feels like happy value in that way.

1:19:36

Yeah, right. Yeah, it's got

1:19:39

happy value. Yeah, Sally Wainwright, kind of

1:19:41

just and his dialogue is just a

1:19:43

little bit, you know, a little

1:19:46

bit kind of, it's

1:19:48

completely grounded in realism. But it's also

1:19:50

funny and witty. And it's got like,

1:19:52

you know, it's when

1:19:55

it gets when you just when you think it's entering

1:19:57

into the dark depths of misery of these night shifts

1:19:59

at the poor guy has to do something,

1:20:02

he'll say something or someone else will say something is

1:20:04

funny that undercuts the whole thing. And I think that's

1:20:06

really important because it is fairly grim. A lot of

1:20:08

this stuff is really, really grim. As you say, Burnetil,

1:20:11

his dad's got issues with his dad and he

1:20:13

can barely deal with the fact that he has to seize that. And

1:20:16

it comes as a surprise to him. And then he

1:20:18

has to deal with, and the way he kind of

1:20:20

gets embroiled in criminality, but on

1:20:23

the edges of it, he's constantly trying to

1:20:25

pull back, he's trying to work out how

1:20:27

can he kind of

1:20:29

avoid these corruption that

1:20:32

clearly stinks and clearly is all

1:20:34

around him. And how can he somehow

1:20:37

remain pure because he's desperate to make

1:20:39

sure that Meiner Brewing, his wife, doesn't

1:20:41

go to London and say, it's the

1:20:43

whole thing. He's agonising and brilliantly poised

1:20:45

and fantastically well conceived. And I've watched

1:20:48

episodes one and two, which they sent

1:20:50

me to. And episode two, because episode one kind

1:20:52

of reminds you of the characters brilliantly, by the

1:20:54

way. Great recap. I don't know how to

1:20:58

do it. I didn't mention as his partner who start

1:21:01

with in series two is happy to be away

1:21:03

from him. Then she came, then she realised that

1:21:05

actually he's kind of, he's the fun one rather

1:21:07

than a boring new partner. And he's not, and

1:21:09

he gets her back to help him. He gets

1:21:13

in broad on a whole new criminal enterprise storyline.

1:21:15

And in episode two, it builds and builds and

1:21:17

builds to a point where he's got like his

1:21:20

cop car is full of people. I won't

1:21:22

say who they are to spoil it. And

1:21:24

he's investigating this mysterious vehicle in the doctor

1:21:26

docs of Liverpool. And the whole thing is

1:21:28

like almost borderline fast, like too many people

1:21:31

in his car to deal with, like

1:21:33

family, enemies, villains, bosses, everyone's like to it.

1:21:35

And he has to deal with this whole

1:21:37

thing. And it just builds up to a

1:21:39

brilliant, yeah. Oh, fantastic.

1:21:42

So yeah, it's just brilliant.

1:21:45

It's kind of the role of his career. I

1:21:47

mean, you know, this is talking about Martin Freeman,

1:21:49

absolute legend in the office, let alone show a

1:21:52

lock, you know, what a

1:21:54

brilliant series of characters he's

1:21:56

had to play in his career. But I think this

1:21:58

is the best because he's, it's He transforms himself,

1:22:00

doesn't he? It's like, and he's got like a

1:22:03

cropped hair in this series and the accent, as

1:22:05

you say, is brilliant. But I just think he

1:22:07

physically transforms himself into a completely different human being

1:22:09

from who Martin Freeman really is. It's like his

1:22:12

tension, he's like in his body, isn't it? He

1:22:14

can kind of, he's constantly kind of like, like

1:22:16

a ticking time bomb. Yeah, he's constantly

1:22:18

on the edge. He's like, that's the way, that's the way

1:22:20

I'm putting it. So I absolutely love it. I think it's

1:22:22

brilliant. So I never finished series one of this. It's a

1:22:24

surprise. But actually watching

1:22:26

this, I was like, God, this really is very, very

1:22:28

good, isn't it? For all the

1:22:30

reasons you say, but I also very much enjoy the fact that there's

1:22:32

a bit in there where a character just turns to him and says,

1:22:35

you know, and they kind of look at him, they're kind of winter,

1:22:37

like, well, I'm, I

1:22:39

think she's a knobhead. He looks like that's a

1:22:41

brilliant line. He loves that, right? Like, you know

1:22:43

that. And also how exceptional he was. Yeah, and

1:22:46

he's right, yeah, you're right. Everyone thinks I'm a

1:22:48

knobhead. And I just thought, I thought it's an

1:22:50

excellent moment because it's that he understands what we,

1:22:52

the audience understand, that he is a bit of

1:22:55

a knobhead. But

1:22:57

he's a very organic knobhead and you

1:22:59

just totally get who he is.

1:23:01

I like that. And also there's a moment

1:23:03

in this where a bunch of policemen converge

1:23:05

on a suspect who then alms himself, dog

1:23:08

poo. Yeah, so cool. And I just thought that

1:23:10

was such a genius moment. Because, and I imagine,

1:23:13

I don't know if you spoke to Tony Schumacher

1:23:15

about this, but that feels like something's been drawn

1:23:17

from experience. It feels like that's a thing that's

1:23:19

happened. Never use poo as a weapon of fear.

1:23:21

But the fact is, the fact is, the second

1:23:23

he sort of lifts up the poo, the police

1:23:25

who have like pepper sprays and they've got their

1:23:27

backs, they're all like, whoa, you know, back

1:23:29

right off. Stay away from us

1:23:32

with the poo. And I just

1:23:34

thought that's just so, it felt

1:23:36

so real, that 100% felt like something

1:23:38

bad. The authenticity is

1:23:40

incredible. Yeah, really, really good, really

1:23:42

great characters. You say they all feel very sort of,

1:23:44

and coming to this, not remembering who anyone was, having

1:23:46

only seen one episode of the first series, I felt

1:23:48

like I understood who all the players were within a

1:23:51

few minutes of watching this. Because it

1:23:53

feels very well rendered. I really liked how they are

1:23:55

still exploring what happened to Rachel. And

1:23:58

the Ahftereffects Yeah, she had. abuse boyfriend. Yeah,

1:24:00

yeah, that and the catch up on that

1:24:03

was quite upset. Yeah, yeah. And

1:24:05

that kind of reminded me why I didn't persist

1:24:07

with the first series. Yeah, I'm surprised you made

1:24:09

it this far, to be honest, because it's very

1:24:11

much stuff that you can't normally deal with. Yeah,

1:24:13

the bit felt like a lot of that was

1:24:16

glossed over in the previously on the responder. So

1:24:18

that was good. Oh, yeah, that's true. Yeah. But

1:24:20

yeah, that was that was that was nasty stuff.

1:24:22

And obviously, she's now as you say that that's

1:24:24

a continuing thread but takes on a new dimension

1:24:26

in the second period. Her abusive partner is played

1:24:28

by Philip Barrentini, the director of a boiling point.

1:24:30

Yeah, the things he's like, and yeah, yeah,

1:24:33

there you go. Sorry, that's not

1:24:35

good. Good

1:24:37

fact, it's a good fact, boy,

1:24:40

the sponsor, then, which is on BBC one, when it is

1:24:43

on BBC one Sunday,

1:24:45

the 5th of May, 2020 for 9pm, 9pm. Anything else out this week

1:24:47

that we have not

1:24:54

been able to cover voidy? Yes, the

1:24:56

main show that we have not been

1:24:58

able to cover due to a full

1:25:01

embargo situation is the tattooist of Auschwitz,

1:25:03

which is a big old skype drama

1:25:05

launching on Thursday at Sky Atlantic. And

1:25:08

now, I think it's probably one

1:25:10

of their biggest new shows of the year, I would

1:25:12

say stars Jonah Howard King

1:25:15

as a young Slovakian guy who's deported

1:25:17

to the concentration camp Auschwitz. And

1:25:20

he kind of falls in love with the with the

1:25:22

young woman there. And the whole thing is told by

1:25:24

the model version of character played by Harvey

1:25:27

Keitel, no less. It's Oh, yeah, we come

1:25:29

review. I'm about to say what I thought

1:25:31

of it. I'll go

1:25:33

for it. It's heavily involved. We'll be discussing that

1:25:35

on pilot plus. We will be doing on

1:25:37

pilot plus. Exactly. That's the main thing. Yes.

1:25:39

Along with our much vaunted constellation

1:25:41

chat. Yes, we're gonna talk about that on

1:25:43

pilot class as well. Finish that the weekend.

1:25:46

Thank you. There's a

1:25:48

show on Netflix on Thursday. This is this is why

1:25:50

I call in the unheralded

1:25:52

department of Netflix dramas.

1:25:54

A Man in Full Netflix on Thursday

1:25:56

stars Jeff Daniels, no less at Atlanta

1:25:59

real estate. state mogul Charlie Croco faces

1:26:01

Southern Financial Ruin. It's adapted by David E.

1:26:03

Kelly and I'm going to say no less

1:26:05

again of Big Little Lies fame from the

1:26:07

1998 novel by Tom Wolf.

1:26:09

No less because Tom Wolf is

1:26:11

a huge legendary novelist as well.

1:26:13

And it's directed by Thomas Schlamme

1:26:15

of the West Wing fans. No

1:26:17

fucking less. And Regina King, exactly

1:26:20

the same. No less of One Night

1:26:22

in Miami. And yet I have not

1:26:24

heard of Peep out Netflix about this

1:26:26

fucking show. I found it on their

1:26:28

website and stuff. Consider him outraged. Weird.

1:26:30

So yeah, who knows what the

1:26:32

story is. But it's embargoed. But

1:26:34

hopefully we'll get to see it

1:26:37

soon. That's on Thursday on Netflix.

1:26:40

On Saturday, May the 4th,

1:26:43

Star Wars Tales of the Empire drops in Disney

1:26:45

Plus, but we have not had episodes of that

1:26:47

to see at this juncture. Unfortunately, this

1:26:49

is a follow on from Star Wars Tales of the Jedi. Yes,

1:26:52

I think that. Wait, did you

1:26:54

say welcome to XM? Oh no, I didn't say it

1:26:56

was Friday the 3rd. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. New

1:27:00

season. Um, uh, Friday the 3rd,

1:27:02

Disney Plus exactly. And we should

1:27:04

also have some Friday. I'm sure this will

1:27:06

be covered on the Empire podcast because it

1:27:08

is officially a film is Jerry

1:27:10

Seinfeld's film, Frosted, Unfrosted, which I wrote about

1:27:12

Pop Tarts. It's about to pop thoughts. And

1:27:15

I wrote, which I wrote about before Empire

1:27:17

magazine. I got into you the

1:27:19

legendary man. So I'm sure you covered all that on the

1:27:21

Empire podcast. I'm sure you will. I'm sure we will. Yeah.

1:27:24

But it's on Friday on the Netflix. Do

1:27:27

we have a pick of the week? Oh,

1:27:29

the responder, the responder. Yes. We're all in

1:27:31

agreement. We are all in agreement there. That

1:27:34

is it. That is it. Also for this

1:27:36

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1:27:48

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1:27:51

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1:27:53

dark matter. Is it coincidence that Kay has

1:27:55

chosen that week to take a week off? Who knows? Possibly

1:27:57

not. Uh, but we will be reviewing that.

1:28:00

Bodkin drops on Netflix as well and

1:28:02

of course the one and only

1:28:04

Dr. Who which boy it is off to

1:28:06

see this very moment yeah and

1:28:09

I'm sure there will be other things that we'll be watching as well.

1:28:11

In Sir Number 9 Final Series. Who is it? Is that next week

1:28:13

as well? Amazing, see I didn't know that

1:28:15

you know why? It's not on the calendar. Not on the calendar.

1:28:18

I'm a busy man, I'm watching 9 episodes of Showgum. Yeah

1:28:22

and you got to watch Constellation on the weekend. Oh

1:28:24

my god, what, what, what, what? Amazing,

1:28:27

right, okay that's it we're done.

1:28:29

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1:28:31

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1:28:33

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