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On the Pilot TV podcast this week, we're

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enmeshed in the cutthroat world of secondary school

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gymnastics in the gathering on Channel 4, sending

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in the clones in Orphan Black Echoes,

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which makes its belated UK debut on

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ITV, and slipping on our

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tauten noir as we go back on the

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beat with Ian Rankin's most famous Bobby, who

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returns to our screens in BBC One's freshly

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rebooted, Rebus. I'm

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James Dyer, and welcome to the Pilot TV

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podcast, your essential guide to every show that

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matters, and a show that is still, still

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without Kay this week, because she remains on

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holiday. But don't worry, do not fret, for

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we have an excellent replacement for her here

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this week, because making her Pilot TV debut

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is Middlesbrough's finest, the one, the

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only, it's Sophie Butcher. Hello.

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How are you feeling, Soph? I'm

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good, thank you. How are you? I'm

0:57

okay, slightly delirious, but otherwise

0:59

fine. And boy, are you here as well.

1:02

Thanks. Yeah, I'm very excited to have Sophie on board.

1:04

Yeah, there we go. I'm excited to be here. This

1:06

is wild card, I don't know how this is going

1:08

to go. Like, you know what you're getting, you know,

1:10

I'm getting, like, when Beth comes in, I know I'm

1:12

getting like thinly veiled contempt. You know, I know, I

1:14

know what I'm looking at myself for. I don't know

1:16

what Sophie's going to do. She could

1:18

kick off. You have met me. Are

1:21

you strictly speaking Sophie's boss? Yes. That's

1:24

interesting. I'm actually strictly

1:26

speaking. You're Kay's boss, but you'd never know

1:28

it, would you? No, exactly not. That's very much just

1:32

like on paper. In reality, 100%.

1:35

I've been cheeky a few times on the Empire podcast

1:37

and thought, oh, it's fine. I command

1:39

no respect whatsoever. This is a

1:41

safe space. Okay. Yeah, that's it.

1:43

All bets are off. Yeah, absolutely. What happens in

1:45

the Pod booth stays in the Pod booth. Yeah,

1:48

apart from the millions of people

1:50

listening. Yeah, that's true. It's possible. It's

1:53

possible there are witnesses. Yeah. It's

1:55

possible there are witnesses. Well, let's start with you, Sophie. What

1:57

have you been watching for the whole of your life?

2:00

for the whole of my life. Well, I don't know. Normally I

2:02

say it since you've last been on, like Beth had a year

2:04

to catch up on, but you have your entire life to catch

2:06

up on. Well, let's start with recently. What have you been watching

2:08

recently? Do you know what's actually

2:10

quite upsetting and I should have thought about because

2:12

I knew I was coming on and that the

2:15

only thing that I've been watching recently

2:17

is rewatching Gossip Girl. Which

2:20

one though? Which one? Yeah, the

2:22

original. Okay, the original and Beth.

2:24

I haven't seen the remake. I've been in a bit of

2:26

a zone. I've been very busy and when

2:28

I'm very busy, my brain can't handle

2:31

new things. And so I've just been

2:33

rewatching Gossip Girl. And is that your

2:35

happy place? I watch other stuff than

2:37

that, generally, promise. I've got

2:40

a wider day. I apologise. James has

2:42

answered this every week as friends. Yeah.

2:44

So, you know. It's a comfort watch.

2:46

Well, yeah, I do always have a sitcom

2:48

rewatch on the go for when I'm

2:50

not rewatching Gossip Girl. Which is? Which might

2:52

be friends. At the moment it's superstar. Oh

2:55

yeah, super star. So it could be friends. It

2:57

could be New Girl. I've recently rewatched New Girl.

3:00

It could be Brooklyn Nine-Nine. It could be superstar. These

3:03

are the classics. Yeah, I have something like... These

3:05

are very millennials. It could be very much. Yeah,

3:07

yeah. Very much. Yeah. So you

3:09

haven't seen any of the new Gossip Girl?

3:11

No. I heartily... It's wild. Is it good?

3:13

I did mean to watch it when it

3:15

came out and I just never got around

3:18

to it. It's like they've taken the original

3:20

Gossip Girl and ratcheted it up. Right, okay.

3:22

It's gen-10 to the max. It is. Oh

3:24

my goodness. Oranges? I'm not saying. Ludicrous

3:28

set piece. Kind of not violence, but just

3:31

kind of like weird freaky goings on.

3:33

It's crazy. Yeah, really. Yeah.

3:36

Interesting. Were you watching the original? Like it is...

3:39

It's fairly tame. Yeah. Yeah. There's not

3:41

much going on. And it's all about

3:43

people in their blackberries sending email

3:45

blasts. And like nothing really applies to

3:47

life now. But it feels nice to

3:49

think of it and just watching like

3:51

the fashion and like the endless accessories and

3:53

the massive handbags. It always makes me think

3:56

Of in the latest series of succession with

3:58

Tom and his leader for you. Ludicrously

4:00

capacious bags. yeah that's the what was going

4:02

on about. Wasn't a picture of wealth back

4:04

in the in two thousand and seven or

4:07

whatever it was either a bigger the bag

4:09

the bear on gossip Girl. So that's really

4:11

been a change and standards and I I

4:14

like to see coming on spike side size

4:16

in mobs. I see the. That.

4:18

Meters and what tells us about

4:20

hotels and wealth that well upper

4:22

east siders that are now Sir

4:24

X doing that was Coast Rebus

4:26

aren't we read on cellphones In

4:28

a matter of mothers with our

4:30

starting I didn't I wasn't mad

4:32

mad mad style or to have

4:34

asked him aka goods or gotta

4:36

go is what size has been

4:38

watching says boy the what nonsense

4:40

organs arrivals this race says well

4:42

I'm I'll do the various businesses

4:45

first I want to screening of

4:47

we are lady parts superglue. Yep,

4:49

yep, Jewish, the resources haven't. Seen

4:52

that I know that I'll let you

4:54

will see this is yet So the

4:56

the posters was prison Dell Oversee The

4:58

news is has embargoed by the go

5:00

to the skins. Had two episodes here

5:02

and I with the Crater need a

5:05

months of writer director when you sisters

5:07

opening saying I'm and the stars and

5:09

how costs are the Aussies a seventy

5:11

bugger. But yeah it's that we're reviewing

5:13

it sometimes. Whatever the second series of

5:15

says we will review it's oh tiger's

5:17

that sensational. As little as as

5:19

I like to dance well army I'll

5:21

reserve what was so be it was

5:23

it was a it was a fantastic

5:26

event could see it as a sister

5:28

says or what. Inside number nine is

5:30

ongoing so with had the first episodes

5:32

on the Liverpool based are trying Cs

5:34

which was pretty well as we're speaking

5:36

last night as including some says that

5:39

when sites the one next Wednesday is

5:41

at the to pass up with receive

5:43

Smith as the Pemberton which is fantastic

5:45

and as loads of twists and turns

5:47

and in. the one after that is mowbray close

5:49

which is the one so it's hardly from the

5:51

point of view of aig door come on a suburb

5:54

like a ring be at all about why i

5:56

wish i think is one of us of says ever

5:58

can i just say the mall or was recording the

6:00

Empire podcast just before this. I got a message

6:03

from Jo Bear about that particular inside number

6:05

nine, the first one, the train one. And

6:07

Jo says that she lives on the Wirral and

6:11

their tube, quote unquote, runs a circuit around

6:13

four Liverpool stations, basically the city center and

6:15

under the Mersey to their side with a

6:17

couple of underground stations and then out to

6:19

open air. She just switched on inside number

6:22

nine and she's assuming that all the actors

6:24

are knackered because the last train is just

6:26

before midnight and then the first is 5.30.

6:30

Wow. I seem to remember

6:32

when I interviewed them for the

6:34

for the map for the Empire. And I think they

6:36

were talked about how it was quite a challenge to

6:38

film it because they didn't get managed to close it

6:40

down. So all the scenes where people are going in

6:42

and out of the train were, you know, they didn't

6:44

stop. They didn't, they couldn't stop people going around them.

6:46

So they were basically surrounded by members of the public

6:48

to some extent during the filming of that. So they

6:50

just filmed it just during a regular commute. I think

6:52

they tried to do as late as possible. Yeah, but

6:54

they didn't get to do it while it was now.

6:58

I don't think I'm pretty sure that's what they said. Yeah. So

7:00

instead of number nine final season series carrying

7:03

on in brilliant form, I watched all of

7:05

Bodkin, which the

7:08

part that is the amusingly next Bodkin, which

7:10

is the place where it's set. Yeah. Yeah.

7:15

And I didn't get that. I

7:20

finally have a review on front row tonight. So

7:22

I'm doing it. If you really want to hear

7:24

me bang on about Bodkin more than twice, then

7:26

subscribe to pilot plus, which is where we reviewed

7:28

it on post. Yeah. And so you can get

7:30

it for free on, for me talking about it

7:33

on BBC radio for, for that point. Yeah. Completely

7:35

undermine the whole. Sorry. Sorry.

7:38

But finally, the big one, it's

7:40

the big one sugar.

7:44

So the mad episode six sugar.

7:46

I have one, which I have

7:48

alluded to on two previous podcasts,

7:51

but then we cut out a lot of it

7:53

because there were, it was decided there was spoilers.

7:55

You ruined it. Yeah. Yeah.

7:57

But That's the true. I did ruin it.

8:00

We've got a button so this this this

8:02

this has on the sub reddit. Everyone is

8:04

kind of still in shock about episode yet

8:06

another and people have been said he misses

8:08

on on X is what yes it's employees

8:10

I called acts know for some of our

8:12

lives Our goal of this what's the bone

8:14

loss though I watched I watched almost all

8:16

the want the ones leading to and then

8:18

at the absence of whistles have said seven

8:20

The following episode was chris is this week's

8:22

life when if he likes to see the

8:24

aftermath of that sort of speaking in episode

8:26

six and it's father again a company so

8:28

is because it was spoil it. Even more

8:30

but I'm is to me the way

8:32

they do with the whole thing and would

8:34

bite my limited evidence pointing is that. What?

8:37

You was I heard was the big thing

8:40

for is with of sussex wasn't quite what

8:42

I expected so I go i either go

8:44

the wrong end of the signal you or

8:46

whoever else mentioned to me ah to the

8:49

i heard from a those this thing that

8:51

happens in episode six i just misunderstood or

8:53

miss other the it's a different thing

8:55

that was exciting and incensed that yes you

8:58

still surprised by the stiff well how am

9:00

I learned some point for you I knew

9:02

something was coming of whatever as a think

9:04

I just i see aspects of our

9:06

thoughts the. Actual precise nature of i didn't

9:09

really right now Charles I that's not was

9:11

for dinner but it is absolutely awesome but

9:13

six of the Bull by her film and

9:15

I really want to know that was left

9:18

away until hoping plays out with to morph

9:20

sizzling I think. T

9:23

from the creators to buy more enough was

9:25

that was saying was like Craig this. Enlightened

9:28

Wall Murder Mystery thing and then to

9:30

such do this at this as well

9:32

or was always the Conception Sauce is

9:34

just my senior center. haven't seen any

9:36

know I've I've actually cancelled my Apple

9:38

Tv some. Sort

9:40

of. He cannot be on the spotlight on. that's

9:42

a nice I had. To make a call and

9:44

as the one I'm arsenal a smile. And

9:47

also the one I can't get on my Tv in. My

9:49

room sites only. what's it downstairs in

9:51

the living room? I have got in on

9:53

this side of the remote than says.

9:56

And. Song. and had to

9:58

go we're now the your own Pilots of

10:00

your podcast, surely we can get you on the

10:02

Apple pub to watch this stuff. I

10:05

might have access to that. Of the screener hub,

10:07

the holy screener hub, which I've spent a lot

10:09

of time recently because that segues quite nicely into

10:12

what I've been watching. I alluded to this last

10:14

week when I said I had begun watching Presumed

10:17

Innocent, which is, as we said, heavily embargoed.

10:20

I powered through Presumed

10:22

Innocent, whereby offering no judgment call whatsoever on

10:24

the quality, I am in no way reviewing

10:26

this or breaking an embargo, I

10:29

powered all the way through to and

10:31

had a horrifying, horrifying revelation while

10:33

watching this show. And that's that seven

10:35

hours, it was seven hours, like 40 odd,

10:37

50 minutes, seven episodes in,

10:41

it stops because they have not

10:43

put the final episode on the

10:45

screening hub. There are eight episodes.

10:47

They put seven on the screening.

10:49

It's been with help the final.

10:52

It's not. It's not on Apple. It's not.

10:55

It is absolutely not on Apple. They whacked the episodes up. All the episodes

10:57

tend to be up there. They have withheld the final episode of this. I

10:59

am not happy. I am not a couple of times. I

11:01

am deeply stressed out by this. Also, we've just you don't remember a tool. No.

11:04

Okay, so there's two things. There are two things. There

11:06

are two things. Okay.

11:09

And she's pretty good at this. I'm not

11:11

sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm

11:14

not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

11:16

I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

11:18

I genuinely don't remember how the film in. Okay.

11:21

And I'm not sure they're

11:23

going to stick to that ending anyway. I wonder whether

11:25

that's the reason they've withheld the final episode or maybe

11:28

they've held the final episode. So we can't even have

11:30

the conversation about whether or not they start to the

11:32

original ending. So basically all bets

11:34

are off. Everything's a play for. No

11:36

presumptions. Yeah. I'd be amazed

11:38

if they didn't stick to the original ending, which I believe is

11:40

also the ending from the book. I

11:42

think that would be well, I've neither read the book

11:44

nor remembered the film. So, you know, but are you

11:46

tempted to watch the film so you know, absolutely not.

11:49

No, because I obviously cannot

11:51

tell you whether or not I am enjoying the

11:53

series. But the fact that I have about seven

11:55

episodes in like a couple of days should give

11:57

you some indication. Yeah. That

12:00

is a blow. I can see that's a blow. Yeah, I'm

12:02

feeling particularly so I'm hoist by

12:04

my own entitled Petard because now

12:06

I may end up having to

12:08

wait until it airs in fucking

12:10

July It's even July like

12:12

by the time the fun ups. It's probably September or something

12:21

Parts then they're probably showing two or three.

12:23

They usually start with two or three well

12:25

then show weekly We'll see the dark side

12:27

of them. Yeah, I'm feeling I'm feeling I

12:29

need my fix. I need my fix. I need to

12:31

know Instead

12:37

I could I could watch all the sugar.

12:39

Yeah, which is by the way is in

12:42

is in useful kind of 30 to 40

12:44

minute chunks It's not very appealing In

12:47

this day and age of extended episodes Yeah, but I've

12:49

obviously have season two of out of range to watch

12:51

so I do have screeners for that funny But I

12:54

only just got them so we did not get them

12:56

in time to review out of rain season two on

12:58

this podcast I mean not that we necessarily would have

13:00

done because we've got some new shows to review But

13:02

I am yeah, yeah, I'm excited to get back

13:04

into what's going on. We just fall in and

13:06

he's giant mysterious hole Again

13:16

while we were at the screening for

13:18

apes and yeah, it was it was

13:20

mad. It's it remains mad Was

13:25

the first couple of season one but yeah,

13:27

I need to yeah, it's wild. Yeah.

13:29

Yeah, go Josh He's directed some of

13:31

this as well, isn't he? I don't know. Yeah,

13:33

I read the from within the hole or without

13:39

So to speak well, yeah

13:42

extraordinary stuff, okay now We

13:44

would normally now move on to the

13:46

post bag However, the mistress of the

13:48

post bag is one Kaye Ribeiro

13:51

and she's not here now.

13:53

Hang on. Hang on a minute. What case

13:56

the mistress of the post bag Why

13:58

I was social media accounts Yes. Which

14:00

is my job. And I said to

14:02

you last night, I'll find you a question if you want. And

14:04

you went, no, no, no. No, no.

14:07

Did I say no? Exposing the inner

14:09

workings. Why did you say no? I

14:11

have no recollection of that. So

14:14

I don't have a question. Oh, it was more of a, I think

14:16

it was more of a, you're right, you do have access to social

14:19

media accounts. I probably should have said, yeah, mine's a question. No, it

14:21

didn't even occur to me. I was more just

14:23

like trying to say, oh, no, don't worry. You don't need to

14:25

do extra stuff. So I

14:27

thought what we did, we would address

14:29

a long standing injustice slash grievance on

14:32

this podcast, which is that Boydie,

14:35

television critic that he is spends a lot

14:37

of time on this podcast talking about films,

14:39

specifically his favorite films, because every film Boydie

14:41

mentions on this podcast is apparently one of

14:43

his favorite films. So it has come to

14:45

our listeners attention that we do not have

14:47

a canonical list of Boydie's favorite films. So

14:49

what we're going to do now is we're

14:51

going to assemble Boydie's list of favorite films.

14:54

So that whenever you refer to a film,

14:58

you cannot say, Oh, that's one of my

15:00

favorite films because it's not on the canonical

15:02

list. So, Boydie, I put it to you

15:04

now. What are your five favorite films?

15:08

For the record for our listeners. Oh, that's,

15:10

you didn't worry about this. You can't bring

15:12

this on someone. This is like letterbox to

15:14

top. Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

15:16

That is evil. Okay. The ones that come

15:19

to mind right now are Just

15:22

to Kill, Brian De Palma's Just to Kill. Are any

15:24

of these going to be films you've mentioned previously on

15:26

the podcast? I think they're all, I think they're all

15:29

just to kill Brian De Palma, Midnight Run, De

15:32

Niro, Charles Grodin, Seven, Dave

15:35

Fincher, Seven, which by the way, I've got a

15:37

bunch of it with Seven. Seven is supposed to

15:39

be coming out on, they've remastered it in 8k

15:42

for 4k release.

15:44

And they screened it in LA as

15:46

part of a film festival thing, which

15:48

David Fincher was involved in. He was

15:50

interviewed about it. And at the end of

15:52

the article, they said it was being released in the

15:54

US on May the 3rd or whatever it was

15:57

this past Monday, wherever it was. jumped

16:00

on amazon.com, the American Amazon, to order it

16:02

for a princessy sort of about 80 quid.

16:05

Cause I'm so obsessed with this film. One of my favorite films. That's

16:09

why I'm discussing on the list. And, but

16:11

it's not coming out then at all. And in

16:13

fact, it's not coming out apparently until like Christmas

16:15

this year or something or even next year. So

16:17

now I've paid all the money. I just have

16:19

to wait. How would you watch Seven Boy? I

16:21

know. I know. It's, I mean, it has not

16:23

available on any other medium, but it has never

16:25

come out properly on a properly director approved, um,

16:28

version on proper blue

16:30

ray 4k. Which is out on

16:32

blue ray, but not, I think he wasn't

16:35

necessarily entirely pleased with the transfer basically. Right.

16:37

Uh, anyway, yeah. So seven streaming in 4k.

16:40

No, not streaming anywhere in 4k. You

16:42

can get it only in HD. Yeah. Watch it with

16:44

minimal care. So you're having to slum it. And

16:47

ATP totally. Anyway,

16:51

where was I? So midnight run just to kill, um,

16:54

seven. I have to

16:56

say, I know it's controversial. Any

16:58

hall. Okay. Right. Any will

17:00

slash Manhattan one, one or both. Would

17:03

you? I'm so sorry. And,

17:06

uh, what'd be the fifth one right now? I

17:09

probably go slightly, um, unadventurously,

17:11

boringly for the Godfather part

17:14

two or apocalypse now,

17:16

something like that. One of those tranches for copper

17:18

films. I mean, the Godfather part one is better, but that's

17:20

fine. Yeah. Or alien also love

17:22

alien and I would, and I would mention that's fine.

17:24

Well, that's exactly what I was going to mention it

17:26

because alien is better than alien. It's not. It

17:29

is objectively better than both. It's an

17:32

absolute masterpiece. It is. Then

17:34

if you're going top 10 blade runner, probably. So yeah,

17:37

that kind of thing. But yeah, that's a little, I

17:39

think I've mentioned all of those because we definitely have

17:41

that brushed out the alien alien's controversy whereby you were

17:43

wrong, which whereby you're wrong. Um, I'm

17:45

surprised that doesn't even look does not appear on

17:47

your list of best ever films. Well,

17:49

I know you loved them. Oh yeah.

17:52

Yeah. Yeah. Um, I'll never see again

17:55

with the rest of the empire team, but I

17:57

support, I'm fully in favor of, um, Chris Hewitt's

17:59

comment. about it, talking about how much you

18:01

enjoyed it. I'm moving my agreeance on that.

18:04

When you listen to the Empire Podcast, he does give a

18:06

stalwart defense on that in the face of mine and Helen's

18:08

indifference. Thankfully, I'm with Chris on this

18:10

one. But that's the kind of general,

18:12

just of my... Then I'd

18:14

probably go like a rear

18:16

window, Hitchcock, or even

18:18

maybe notorious, a few Hitchcocks. Anyway, so

18:21

Lamb said you're at the top 10.

18:24

That's the list. That's the list. I'm

18:26

laminating it. The one righted down. I'm

18:28

laminating the lip. You

18:31

can now never deviate from this list. Oh,

18:33

really? We're imposing these random rules on me.

18:35

We're taking the friends rules. It's now laminated.

18:38

It is set in stone or rather set

18:40

in the plastic. That's crazy. There we go.

18:42

Boy's favorite films, established for all time. Why

18:44

are on the subject of favorite things? Obviously,

18:47

this is Sophie's first time on this particular

18:49

podcast. Sophie, I would like to take

18:51

a trip down memory lane, specifically your memory, your lane,

18:54

and your television watching habit. What

18:56

are your favorite shows? Don't have to give

18:58

me five. Yes, in fact, you do have to

19:00

give me five. I want your five

19:02

favorite TV shows, preferably In Order.

19:04

Right. Okay. Oh,

19:07

In Order. I'd written some down, but I haven't got

19:09

them in order. Are you pre-warned? Oh, I'm glad you

19:11

won. No,

19:13

he mentioned that he might ask me about my favorite TV

19:15

shows. Okay. Number

19:18

one is probably Succession.

19:21

Yes. I've thought about it long and hard. Recency

19:23

bias. No. But I've rewatched

19:25

it three times. Wow. Really?

19:29

And that's not

19:31

since the last season came out, but

19:33

I rewatched every season as the

19:35

new season came out, if you know what I mean? Like

19:37

I've watched it all again every time a new one came out and I

19:39

still love it. New Girl is probably

19:41

up there. I really love New Girl

19:43

and I feel like not a lot of people watch it,

19:45

but it just makes me really

19:47

happy. It seems to have a... It has a following,

19:49

certainly. Yeah. It's got a very dedicated feeling,

19:52

I would say. But I think generally speaking, people were mixed

19:54

on it when it started. Yeah, they were. But

19:56

I think it's kind of grown in popularity

19:58

as well, especially since lockdown. and stuff. I'd

20:01

probably put Fleabag in there. It's a bit

20:03

basic. No, absolutely. Is

20:05

Girls a bit basic? No. Can we

20:07

put that in there? Yeah. So that's

20:11

four. I don't know what my face

20:13

would be. I've got loads of other favourites

20:15

like I Love My Mad Fat

20:17

Diary, I Love the Netflix

20:20

Daredevil series, Barry. I like

20:23

the OA. Yes. Love the OA.

20:25

Now we're talking. Let's just say it's

20:27

the OA. I'm fine with

20:29

that. Daredevil Netflix is an interesting... I've

20:31

watched that loads of times. I love...

20:33

All three seasons, even the second one.

20:35

The second one's not as good. No.

20:38

And all three of them are too

20:40

long. But the first season and third

20:42

season are just... Are there 13

20:44

each in there? Yeah. The second one

20:46

is I won't deny it's not great.

20:48

But it's like the third season is great. So

20:51

overall, it bounces out and I really love it.

20:53

Well, I mean, you can't argue with the maths. No.

20:56

And I'm very excited that Charlie Cox is back

20:58

as Daredevil. Yes, that is true. So that's

21:00

a bit of me. And we've been talking about Jessica Jones a little

21:02

bit later on. I know. Oh yeah.

21:05

That's an excellent list. Maybe

21:08

that's all the recency bias. I've got very big blind spots.

21:11

I haven't seen Sopranos. I haven't seen The Wire.

21:13

I've tried to watch Breaking Bad three times. I

21:15

can't get past four episodes.

21:17

Really? Is it? That was quite a

21:19

while ago. The difficult Men-u-vra. Yeah. You

21:21

just kind of hurt around. Problematic. Yeah.

21:24

No, it's not. I think I would love

21:26

those shows. I just never have sort of

21:28

gotten around to watching them. I've

21:30

watched The West Wing. Not

21:33

all of it, but a good chunk of it. She's embarrassed. Like

21:36

three, four seasons. That's pretty good.

21:39

I'm thinking of all the stuff like Lost. Yeah, I

21:41

love Lost Heroes the first season. I'm trying to think

21:43

of all the other things. But

21:45

yeah, in terms of like

21:47

all time things. All the older things.

21:49

Me and Boyard of Biggest Stuff we

21:52

wrote about while we were working here.

21:54

Girl. Yeah. Yeah.

21:57

That's me, I would say. Quite a varied taste. I like to This

22:00

is very, very, this always sounds where I suddenly remember

22:02

something I've watched that I didn't write down because for

22:04

the, but I watched the finale of Girls. It was

22:06

on live TV. It was on

22:08

Skylines the other day. Oh, right. Early this week.

22:10

And it was, I loved Girls. I

22:13

thought it was absolutely brilliant, but the finale was a

22:15

real disappointment. Yeah. It's kind of the

22:17

first three seasons are amazing. For

22:19

me, it just kind of go downhill. Yeah.

22:21

But those first ones are so good. Yeah. It's

22:23

still great. Still up there. But I remember the

22:26

penultimate episode being really good, but the finale is

22:28

a major disappointment. I was saying,

22:30

very, I see. Yeah. I never made it

22:32

to the end of Girls. Well, you should.

22:36

Okay. Something

22:39

else I wanted to, to briefly touch on, I

22:41

guess we were going to get into this in

22:43

news, but I guess it's preempting it slightly. So

22:45

obviously the baby reindeer stuff has kicked up yet

22:47

another not, hasn't it? I was

22:49

going to mention this in news. Yes. Cause this feels

22:51

like something that we showed that we showed briefly, which

22:53

aspect of it, it says this, this, this, there's literally

22:55

like three stories about this every day in the

22:58

news. Now. So the one I

23:00

was going to, I just seen literally

23:02

this afternoon was Russell T. Davis talking

23:04

about how, um, if it'd been on

23:06

the BBC, they would be much stricter with

23:08

the editorial compliance processes. Um,

23:11

and he was talking about that in an interview

23:13

with the times and he said, um,

23:15

compliance and their editorial policy drives us mad here, but

23:17

I sleep at night. He said,

23:19

um, and that was, that

23:22

was, that was kind of independent. And

23:24

then Benjamin King, Netflix's UK senior public

23:26

public policy director was that,

23:28

was that a kind of parliamentary hearing.

23:32

And he talked about how, um, they

23:34

did what they could blah, blah, blah.

23:36

But, um, but then he, then

23:39

people have pointed out that he basically said he

23:41

doesn't want to live in a world where, where

23:43

Richard was silenced, not able to tell his story,

23:45

but at the same time, he could have been

23:47

more vague about the details so that people couldn't

23:49

track down the real person involved. So

23:51

yeah, that's tricky, isn't it? That

23:54

sure has left, like, it made me

23:56

feel so weird. I've binge watched it in about

23:58

two days. And then I had,

24:00

I was by myself, cat sitting for a friend for

24:04

the weekend after. And just put me in a weird headspace.

24:06

What's this best? Were you at the thing for best? You

24:08

were capturing best risky. Me and

24:11

risky was out there watching baby reindeer. And then we had

24:13

a day by ourselves and we felt weird. Risky

24:17

was really shaken by it. Um,

24:21

I think it's, it's interesting

24:23

the compliance thing, isn't it? Because it's like

24:25

that short is so vulnerable.

24:28

It feels almost too vulnerable

24:31

and too honest. Like part of the impact

24:33

of it is that those messages are real

24:35

and the spelling and everything and all of

24:37

it feels real and weird and it's there,

24:39

but then it makes it easier for these,

24:41

you know, for her to be found in all of this. And

24:43

it's just like, is the art more important? I

24:46

don't know. It's really, she's doing into it.

24:48

Yeah. Well, that's the other aspect of it. She

24:51

didn't hear the daily record. Didn't she? Where she

24:53

allowed them to name her, even though she, her

24:55

name was out there on the internet now,

24:57

but she's sitting down with, of all people, Piers

25:00

fucking Morgan. Horrifying. Yeah. Which was happening, I think

25:02

tonight, Thursday, as we're recording this. So we haven't

25:05

heard her. They will have been out. Yeah. Cause

25:07

it's live. Is it live interview? I think so.

25:09

Yeah. So that will be out. That

25:11

will be out there when we air. Gee.

25:14

Yeah. I mean, this is on top of,

25:16

um, the reason I can't even

25:18

talk about it. Kevin Spacey thing. Anyway. Um,

25:20

you know, Kevin Spacey interview with, with, uh,

25:23

Dan wouldn't, Oh God,

25:25

she's a cursed character. She's crying. Yeah.

25:30

But yeah, it's the

25:32

baby reindeer thing is going to be like, people

25:34

are going to be writing, you know, theses on

25:36

it. Cause it's so interesting how I do think

25:38

that I do think Netflix, I mean, again, this

25:40

guy, I should quote the Benjamin King, the Netflix

25:43

policy director said, um, he

25:46

said, we took every reasonable precaution in

25:48

disguising the real life identities of the

25:50

people involved in that story. I

25:53

think people have pointed out you didn't really. Did

25:55

you though? Yeah. Um, so

25:57

I think that's open to debate. big

26:00

problem, which is awesome, and

26:02

pointed out in his podcast, which is very

26:04

good, that it

26:07

says this is a true story. And

26:10

then some of the facts are, by all

26:12

accounts, in dispute. Right. But,

26:14

you know, you didn't need to, doesn't need to say this

26:16

is a true story. There's loads of ways of finessing that,

26:18

you know, this is based on a true

26:20

story. This is mostly true.

26:22

You know, there's people always doing versions

26:24

of that, but to let the

26:26

creator and to get put that and to stick

26:29

with that, that's going to put you in a

26:31

whole load of stuff. The ending in particular seems

26:33

to be, certainly the claim is very much not

26:35

the case, right? Well

26:37

the ending ending, which you mean the final,

26:39

literally the final, not the final thing, but

26:41

just the, I'm trying to, I'm steering around

26:43

people. Right. Okay. Yeah.

26:47

Fair enough. Yes. Yes.

26:49

I know what you mean. all

26:52

quite happen as it happens in

26:54

the show. He's obviously sped things up

26:56

for sure. Of course. Yeah. But

26:59

that's what makes it. It's a very compelling,

27:01

fast paced kind of thriller almost than that

27:03

partly because obviously it's not, he's

27:05

finessed as you would, he's dramatized the whole

27:08

thing. Yeah. I mean, I

27:10

don't know if I'm repeating this, but like obviously

27:12

people have been trying to guess who the TV

27:14

producer was as well. Oh yeah. It's

27:16

like, yeah. Apparently that is also something that

27:18

is out there. It's hugely problematic also that

27:22

entirely innocent people have been accused of that.

27:25

Yeah. And, you know, and he had

27:27

to come out and say, no, it wasn't that person or

27:29

that person. And then there's another person. This was always going

27:31

to happen. Yeah, that's

27:33

exactly. That's the problem. No, was

27:35

it though? Because I don't think anyone knew that this

27:37

would become what it became. Because if this had been

27:40

a kind of an also rambling on Netflix that eight

27:42

people watched on like Friday night, this would never have

27:44

become a thing. It's because it has, it's

27:46

captured the zeitgeist so much that the

27:48

internet has suddenly like the eye of Sauron

27:50

has focused on it. Yeah. But

27:53

there was a way of doing it. I think the point that Russell

27:55

T. Davis is making a lot of it and I

27:57

would make it. There was a way of doing it that wasn't

27:59

so. baldly claiming

28:02

that this is a true story. And

28:04

he could have, he could have,

28:07

I think he's, I don't think he should

28:09

have been silenced, sorry, I think, but there's a middle ground

28:11

between him telling this story in

28:14

a dramatic way and it

28:16

being literally him saying, literally this is a

28:18

true story and implying that everything is true

28:20

and then people wanting to scurry off and

28:22

try and find the real life movement of

28:24

these people. He could have been much more

28:26

vague and just said, but you know why,

28:28

like, because it's more powerful, isn't it?

28:31

It's a more powerful statement. It's

28:33

slightly less powerful for me. I still think

28:35

it would have been a brilliantly powerful series

28:37

if he'd have gone, this is partly

28:39

based on stuff that happened in my life and left

28:41

it as vague as that. Yeah, but

28:43

again, I still think it's a very powerful thing. I

28:45

don't know that it genuinely, I don't know that it

28:47

would have captured people's imagination in the same way. If

28:50

you said, yeah, this is a drama, it's very, very

28:52

loosely based on a real thing. No, I think it's

28:54

the thing that is the reason, it's partly there, but

28:56

I think the main reason is that

28:58

it's such a phenomenon of the show. Sure. It's

29:01

so compelling. But I think watching it and knowing it's

29:03

real gives it a dimension that otherwise it would never

29:05

possess. Because there's an

29:07

honesty, there's a raw, confessional, almost

29:10

voyeuristic honesty to that show. And

29:13

knowing it's real makes you feel so uncomfortable all the way

29:15

through it. I think that's why you feel so weird after

29:17

it, because it's like, you almost feel like you shouldn't be

29:19

looking at this. Right, that's exactly how

29:21

Risky felt. Yeah, she was very shaken.

29:25

Yeah. But also, it's tricky, isn't

29:27

it? Because I think even however you could

29:29

word that at the beginning, whether

29:31

you say it is true, it's based on a

29:33

true story, it's inspired by real life events. I

29:36

think the issue is that when people, and I

29:39

do it too, I can feel myself doing it. When you watch something

29:41

and you know that there's a kernel of

29:43

truth, part of you thinks that

29:45

all of it is true. It's really hard to separate yourself.

29:48

You treat it like a dog meant it. It's

29:50

like, yeah, you just sort of, and when the

29:52

show's as good as that, and you're just so

29:54

involved, it's really hard to separate

29:56

and think that's probably not all true. You

29:59

just sort of take it as gospel. when it's presented in that

30:01

way, even whatever that language is at the start,

30:03

I think it's really hard as an audience

30:05

member to distinguish. I agree with that, but

30:07

I think the impact and the fallout would

30:09

have been less if you hadn't have made

30:12

that claim so starkly at the beginning. And

30:14

if you hadn't have then had to basically

30:16

say, this is all happened to me, pretty

30:19

much as depicted. I still think it'd

30:22

have been more vague. And maybe you're right,

30:24

maybe that was the reason why Netflix didn't

30:26

force him to be more vague or didn't

30:29

do that because they thought it was more powerful

30:31

and been a bigger hit. But I don't know,

30:33

this is all conjecture. But I still think there

30:35

are loads of really powerful true stories that have

30:38

been on TV where people have said, yes, it's

30:40

roughly based on my experience, but I'm not going

30:42

to go into the detail. That's all you need

30:44

to say. That's all you need to say. And

30:46

then, yeah, but also like you

30:48

have to look at whether or not

30:50

what has been done for classes defamation

30:52

because there's a whole legal bar there,

30:54

isn't there? Well, I mean, I'll be

30:57

amazed if there isn't legal legal. Well,

30:59

she's a lawyer, hopefully. And she said that

31:02

she might represent herself to him directly. But

31:05

obviously, you'd have to prove that a,

31:07

it isn't true, which by all accounts

31:09

possibly can be done. But also that

31:11

it has actually caused damage to her

31:13

reputation. Oh, completely. But

31:15

but enough of the facts, I as

31:17

my understanding is enough of the facts are true that the question

31:19

is whether or not that would. I mean, who knows that before

31:21

a court decide. I think

31:24

I'll get into that particularly muddy water. Oh,

31:30

just and it's part of the reason, like, as I was

31:32

watching the show, I was like, this is so good. This

31:34

is like affecting me so much. But after

31:37

I just kind of feel a bit icky about it.

31:39

I don't know. And it's not that I don't want,

31:41

I didn't want him to be able to tell that

31:43

story or I didn't want those stories to be out

31:45

there. But something just, it's left

31:47

me just feeling really weird and not necessarily

31:49

in a good or I don't know. Yeah,

31:52

that's not a common response. Yeah. Yeah.

31:57

There's an egg for the whole thing. Like it's not

31:59

like it's. say quite and quite comedy, but it's

32:01

upsetting and it's distressing and it makes you feel

32:03

weird and... All of this is just magnifying

32:06

that, that's coming after it. Yeah. Weird

32:08

but weirdly, it's not like they're not like keeping

32:10

a low profile. It's just been in the States

32:12

doing more promotion for it, which is so fascinating.

32:16

Yeah, it's fascinating. Well,

32:18

there you go. I guess that dovetails

32:20

nicely into news itself, given that we've

32:22

already covered some of that. So what

32:24

has happened in the world of news?

32:27

A couple of things actually that I

32:29

wanted to mention here. So specifically you

32:31

mentioned Blade Runner in your favorite films,

32:33

Boyly. But the Blade

32:36

Runner 2099 series, which is barreling

32:38

towards us, has added Michelle Yeo to its

32:40

roster. So are you more or less excited

32:42

about it now? Oh, more. Michelle

32:45

Yeo is always... But how do

32:47

you feel about the fact that they're making a series about Blade Runner? How

32:49

did you feel about Danny Villeneuve's film? I thought I liked it. Okay,

32:51

good. So you're not a purist. You're

32:53

not like... No, no. They might

32:56

feel alone. Danny Villeneuve involved in it. Yeah,

32:58

you know, it stands a pretty good

33:00

chance to begin. Is he involved in this in some... But

33:03

I don't know. Ridley Scott certainly

33:05

is some kind of producer. Yeah,

33:07

Ridley's executive producer. But the showrunner

33:09

is Silke Luisa. Okay.

33:11

Yeah, I'm open minded. I'll give it a go.

33:14

These things never bother me, even if it's not

33:16

a renowned genius making

33:19

it. It still doesn't

33:21

besmirch the original thing for me. So it's

33:23

fine. I think Blade Runner and the

33:26

sequel were fantastic. I'm excited to

33:28

see what they do. And the good

33:30

thing about it is that, you know, nowadays

33:33

the budget for it will be cinematic. It will be epic

33:35

and cinematic, I'm sure, because they can make that kind of

33:37

stuff for TV, you know, where if it'd been like even

33:39

just five, ten years ago, I'm sure it wouldn't have been

33:42

a bit lame. But now at least, you

33:44

know, potentially the visuals, I'm sure it'll be

33:46

stunning. They'll look amazing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah,

33:49

we'll see. When is it going to be on? Do you know? I

33:52

don't know. It's going to shoot this year,

33:54

though, I think. Right. Oh, yeah. So

33:56

we have to wait. Maybe like next year. I mean,

33:58

it's good because I want. I want Michelle

34:00

Yeoh to keep getting really great roles.

34:03

It feels like there's a couple of things

34:05

she's been in that have been cancelled. Like

34:08

American Chinese, I got cancelled in there. And then is

34:10

it the brother's son that they cancelled as well? So

34:14

I mean, she's amazing and she fits

34:18

for that, I think. I just

34:20

want to see her doing cool stuff.

34:22

So I'm on board. Are

34:24

you equally excited? And have you

34:26

booked tickets for the stage debut

34:28

of Shmigadoon the musical, which

34:31

will be, I believe, landing, I want

34:33

to say next year? Wait

34:35

a minute. Wait a minute. I don't know. So

34:38

Shmigadoon, which has been mercifully cancelled. Yes. This

34:40

is transferring to the stage. This is what

34:42

they're all doing. Because the other big, the

34:44

much more important news story, it was inside

34:46

number nine this time. Sorry, it's the stage.

34:48

Will it be Shmigadoon then? That's the question.

34:50

I mean, one can only imagine that it

34:53

would be better than Shmigadoon. And that's genuinely exciting that

34:55

inside number nine. Because there was rumoured for years and

34:57

years that they might do a stage version. And

35:00

they confirmed it, I think earlier. I think they confirmed

35:02

it just after welfare last week or earlier this week.

35:04

And I think it's already sold out. It's run maybe,

35:06

or I know there was like people waiting for hours

35:09

and hours on the internet to buy tickets and stuff.

35:11

But that is genuinely exciting. And just to know what

35:13

they're going to do, I think they're going to incorporate

35:15

some of the stuff, the stories that

35:17

have been in the TV series plus new material. Fascinating.

35:20

Yeah. How involved are recent?

35:23

I didn't see that. 100%. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're totally

35:25

their baby and they're in it. And yeah, yeah, it's

35:27

going to be. So that's the really exciting TV on

35:30

to the stage news. And

35:32

a friend of

35:34

the show, Scott Mathewon, who is

35:36

on Twitter, who

35:38

I think I've seen come to our live

35:40

events when we've done the pilot TV live

35:43

at an empire, empire things, he said, he

35:45

tweeted, I

35:47

hadn't realised there's going to be a Game of Thrones stage

35:49

play. Do you know about that? I

35:51

can't remember what there is. And that's being

35:53

written by Duncan McMillan, who wrote the excellent

35:55

play People, Poses and Things, which is currently

35:58

having a stint back. the

36:00

theatre and he says at this rate referring

36:02

also to the inside number 91 pilot TV

36:04

is going to need a regular theatre print

36:06

to keep up with all the stage spin-offs

36:08

I wonder who could fit the bill cough

36:10

he says someone who used

36:12

to review telly and now reviews theatre sitting right

36:15

here cough so they go thanks Scott we'll Scott

36:17

we're going to send you to shmigadoo that's

36:21

the sideman yeah

36:24

so there you go TV TV's things

36:26

of course stranger things which we both

36:28

went to didn't we did and

36:30

faulty towers which you didn't invite me to

36:32

which is happening I still got the plus

36:34

one I'm waiting for the you know the

36:36

kind of you know gifts oh

36:38

I see okay if you want to come

36:40

you know which one of you will come

36:42

bearing gift yeah bright view yeah undertaking us

36:44

I thought stranger things as well so good

36:46

isn't it it is good yeah it is

36:48

good I mean it's like movies

36:50

going isn't like minority report and hunger games

36:52

and all sorts coming to the minority boys

36:55

yeah absolutely right yeah how are you gonna

36:57

do that yeah it's interesting a

37:00

whole new medium a whole new medium speaking

37:02

of new mediums Snowpiercer is now coming back

37:05

to our screens given that

37:07

it basically disappeared into the ether the fourth and final

37:09

season never aired but it is coming to AMC and

37:11

it now finally has a date in the US at

37:13

least so Sunday July the 21st it's

37:16

gonna land on AMC where and how we're gonna get see

37:18

in the UK I'm not entirely sure I'm assuming well

37:20

Netflix here yeah so I'm assuming it'll go to Netflix possibly

37:22

at the same time I don't know but

37:25

for those of you who want to know you know where the

37:27

train ends up you'll find

37:29

out just go round around around around

37:31

yeah much like that line in you

37:33

know the Wirral did you see the new

37:37

um the bodies trailer I didn't

37:39

actually I didn't see it oh I did yeah

37:41

fucking good trailer you'd be straight on it I

37:43

would have done but I didn't it wasn't a

37:46

trailer yeah is it I think there's already

37:48

been a teaser right but this was much longer

37:50

um yeah it looks good yeah

37:53

I'm a big boy fan I love it I

37:55

love it so much you loved it I genuinely

37:57

actually I warmed to eventually I didn't love it at first

37:59

because I felt it before slightly derivative of the

38:01

boys. But by the end, I quite like

38:03

the larger sort of mystery arc to that

38:05

show. But the boys, I mean, it's outrageous.

38:07

It's funny. It's charming. I love it. Yeah.

38:10

And the whole mind looks like on his

38:12

normal maniacal form. Starlight is like fully on

38:14

the side of the boys now. Whereas,

38:17

you know, she was kind of playing both sides

38:19

and all that sort of stuff. There's exploding chickens,

38:22

chicken, incredible livestock and sheep

38:24

and all sorts going on. And

38:28

it looked really fun, but it looked quite dark.

38:30

It looked very violent. See,

38:33

this is the thing I do wonder if they're, you

38:35

know, they've kind of handed themselves

38:37

into a corner a little bit by trying

38:39

to outdo themselves with shock value every season.

38:42

There's a sense of where did they go now? Like

38:44

what, what are they going

38:46

to do? I'm slightly scared of what they're going to

38:48

do. Well, that's the thing that I think the trade

38:50

did effectively was to go, well, actually we can do

38:53

even more. We can kind of

38:56

outdo ourselves. Yeah. Like a herogasm.

38:58

Herogasm. Yeah, basically. Well, we'll see.

39:01

It gave a sense as well though, that there

39:03

was a lot of like meat underneath it. Yeah.

39:05

There's a lot of stuff. Debbie. Yeah. Well, because

39:07

there's a reference to the, um, to the January

39:09

6th. January 6th. January 6th. January 6th. Reference

39:13

to Boy's brother's birthday. Right. I'll

39:15

expect it in the new series of The Boys. But

39:18

they're well, they seem to be explicit kind of

39:20

references to that. Yeah, which it does that so

39:22

well, like tying in the kind of themes

39:24

of the show with real life politics. And,

39:26

um, yeah, I mean, I don't, I

39:28

don't want shocks at the expense of story.

39:30

I would rather that it keep going to

39:32

interesting places. I don't need another herogasm necessarily.

39:34

I want it to keep up that tone

39:37

and, you know, that violence that we

39:39

like, but, um, yeah, I'm really

39:41

excited. It looks really good. Sarah Phelps has

39:43

mentioned it on the, yeah, friend

39:46

of the show. She can't stop watching The Boys. She

39:48

says. Yeah. It's right. She

39:51

was a fan of Billy if I am. Yes.

39:53

Remember, rightly. Yeah. Um, I

39:56

did say we're talking trailers. Are you going to

39:58

mention the other trailer for TV this? Now

40:00

normally I would mention this be greeted

40:02

by a pair of blank faces and

40:04

slightly rolly eyes But

40:06

like Star Wars I want to talk Star Wars boy then you

40:08

and Kay have no time for this shit When

40:15

Kay is here, I think you you play it down. I think

40:17

you play it down Well, I'm

40:19

not sure what you're expecting with me being here

40:21

Jim So I know I'm not the Star Wars

40:24

fan. I know I know just but but I

40:26

think you know with your empire hat on you

40:28

Were literally wearing and well, okay, so Levi's have

40:30

but nevertheless The acolyte

40:32

trailer. What did you think? Oh, okay the trailer.

40:34

I thought you were gonna mention the Lego

40:37

Star Wars. Oh, no No,

40:43

I'm hyped to the acolyte so I'm a very I'm a

40:45

very fair-weather Star Wars fan and that I don't

40:47

care about huge Whiz of it, but I really

40:49

like Andor and I feel like I'm gonna like the

40:51

yeah So yeah

40:53

a second trailer drop I only watched it once but

40:55

and it gives a little bit more away because it's

40:58

like a mystery show and Jedi's

41:00

are dying. Did I did I get

41:02

eyes? What's a plural? It's

41:08

sort of it's a bit more of like the

41:11

fight choreography and so there's a great stuff with

41:13

Carrie and master the man the Semberg and It

41:16

looks really good. I'm really here for it. I think it's my

41:18

kind of Star Wars, which is Not

41:21

mostly not Star Wars at all,

41:23

but I love Leslie Headland. I love that

41:26

cast things going really good And then at the

41:28

end sit happens Did you

41:30

did you watch a boy? Yeah, I thought look really good

41:32

I'm the same and doors the back and or was the

41:34

best of the Sony of the team. Oh god Yeah, I'm

41:36

either that because I think was our show of the year.

41:38

Yeah. Well, yeah, probably insisted on by you Wasn't

41:43

it the it was the web room anniversary of the Okay,

41:51

it's so terrible that's all there's no

41:53

it's it's it's come full circle it's

41:55

gone from it's terrible It's good. No,

41:57

it's terrible and now it's come back to

42:00

do you know what? It's actually not that bad.

42:02

And I maintain that it is the best of

42:04

the prequels. Everyone loves the prequels. I've never seen

42:06

the prequels, but we've never seen the prequels. I've

42:08

seen a few months ago that I feel like

42:10

I knoll them off by heart. I

42:14

never need to watch them. Don't understand how someone of your

42:16

age has not seen the prequels. I

42:19

think maybe Phantom Menace was

42:21

on in my house. I remember Darth Maul

42:23

being in half. That's

42:25

all I know. I don't need it. I'm fine

42:27

without it, I think. It

42:34

does look really good anyway. Stoked

42:38

for it. Especially stoked for the

42:40

fact that Will We Get To See It Before

42:42

This Podcast when it comes to review? Probably not.

42:45

But we'll see what we can do. Maybe like

42:47

David's or something. Are you more or less excited

42:50

about the Acolyte versus upcoming

42:52

Discovery Plus documentary

42:55

Taylor Swift versus Scootabroon?

42:58

James, I should have made a stipulation

43:01

that you can't talk about fucking Taylor Swift. There's

43:06

another more interesting Taylor Swift

43:08

related story. Okay. Caelis Kelsey,

43:10

her current paramour, Bo,

43:13

funnily enough, paramour is supporting her at the UK League

43:15

of the Era. He's got his

43:17

first TV acting role. Have you

43:19

seen this story? Is it The

43:21

Boys? No. Close. Close though.

43:24

Do you know this story? No, but didn't he do like

43:27

a roast thing? No. Yeah. He played a good role. A

43:29

lot of the time, really. But

43:31

this is scripted. Fictional

43:34

show. And of course,

43:36

you'd easily guess who show this is, by the

43:38

way. Just like stunt casting, etc. Best

43:42

favourite. Yeah. Ryan Murphy. Yes.

43:46

Caelis Kelsey is in the new Ryan Murphy.

43:48

He's in the new Ryan Murphy show, which

43:50

is called Grotesquery. I've got it. And

43:53

this is for... Beth's going to love this. Yeah.

43:55

This is for the FX channel. He's still right.

43:57

Ryan Murphy. The whole thing is I'm obsessed with...

44:00

them. He's still got this massive Netflix deal, he's

44:02

still doing stuff for FX. I'm giving this new

44:04

show. He's so prolific. He's so prolific. Is he

44:06

insane? Is anyone watching them anymore? I mean, I

44:08

don't know. I did watch the first chunk of

44:10

the most recent American oyster, which I quite enjoyed

44:13

actually. And then the last one, last year's one

44:15

in New York, was brilliant. Right. It was also

44:17

TV. Anyway, this

44:19

show, Grotescari, is for

44:21

FX. And his details,

44:24

the details of his character haven't been

44:26

confirmed. But he did reveal that he's

44:28

going to be in the show and

44:32

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But the

44:34

show is like a horror thing. That's

44:36

not American horror story, basically. So, so

44:38

yeah, somehow Murphy is doing even more

44:40

horror things as well as the other

44:42

things. He's also doing a Kim Cardashian

44:44

legal drama for Hulu. I mean,

44:46

Brian Murphy or Travis Kelsey. Right. Okay.

44:50

So yeah, he loves a bit of stunt casting. That's

44:52

that news. That makes me tired

44:54

of that news. It is a bit exhausting. Yeah. Well, there's a

44:56

lot of news this week, by the way, because

44:59

we should just mention things that would broke

45:01

just after we did last week's normal

45:03

podcast. I mentioned them on, um, extra.

45:06

What's it called? I mentioned them on extra.

45:08

Do you? Our

45:13

premium subscription service, Unmissable show.

45:15

That is pilot plus. Right.

45:18

The biggest news of the year is that Gavin

45:20

Stacey is back for a, for the Christmas, for

45:22

the last episode, Chris. That broke literally just as we

45:25

finished recording last week. And I was really pissed off.

45:27

I almost did this on doing a special insert thing

45:29

that we do sometimes. But

45:31

yeah, that's coming Christmas day. I

45:34

love Gavin and Stacey, but I, I, I

45:36

would be happy not to have any more of it. Except

45:38

it ended on the cliffhanger. Yeah. But

45:40

I didn't love the last Christmas special,

45:43

but then you need to know how the

45:45

lip cliffhanger is resolved. Would you not care?

45:50

I'm all right. I don't know. I didn't,

45:52

I didn't, I love the original show and

45:54

the original Christmas special. I watched that with

45:56

my family every year. That original. I'm

46:01

obsessed with that episode, but I

46:03

don't know. I didn't love the last one. I

46:05

will watch it. I

46:08

need it to be done. That's

46:10

a massive story there. And the split is

46:12

coming back. Abby Morgan's the split. Do you

46:14

see that? Coming back for Barcelona set special

46:17

two part. Right. Yeah. That's like Nicola Walker

46:19

though, isn't it? And yeah, I saw

46:21

the news about that. Yeah.

46:23

And I mean, Morgan's big Benedict Cumberbatch show starts

46:26

in as well. Hopefully Eric. Eric. Yeah. Which is,

46:28

which is, looks absolutely fascinating. That was at the

46:30

Netflix. It was. Yeah.

46:32

Yeah. Um, I think there was one other news story I was going

46:34

to mention, but oh, yeah. And the office, the new office. Oh,

46:37

I did see this. Yeah. This is massive

46:39

as well. Um, that, that, that, um, peacock

46:42

has commissioned a new office series set

46:44

in the same world as the original

46:47

American version of the office. Uh, Ricky

46:49

Gervais and Steve Merchant co exec producers

46:51

all over again. That means even more

46:53

money flowing in. Um,

46:55

but yeah, I mean,

46:57

it's kind of a good idea. And don't

46:59

look Gleason. We, we have 100% reported

47:03

this before several weeks

47:05

ago. Yeah. We, it has more stuff.

47:07

No, don't know. We, we

47:10

mentioned, we met Don Lee.

47:13

We mentioned him, uh, cause that's why

47:15

I brought it up because I'm looking, you're

47:18

right. Yeah. Not confirmed, but the show's confirmed.

47:20

Yeah. Like the

47:22

fact that it's being picked up by peacock, I

47:24

think is like the news. Yes, that's true. Thank

47:26

you for putting that into context. Yeah. Yeah. That's

47:28

actually a sitcom that I missed off my rewatch list

47:30

as the office. I got into it very late. I

47:32

only watched it like last year. It took

47:34

me ages. American, American. Oh no, I've loved the

47:36

British one like since, since I was a kid,

47:39

but, um, yeah, I love the American office

47:41

as well. So I, I, this is one where I'm like,

47:43

just leave it alone. I think just

47:45

leave it alone. Uh, yeah, I don't mind. Cause

47:47

again, it's just, it's a completely different world. And

47:49

this is a local newspaper that they're

47:52

trying to, like a dying, dying friend. I mean,

47:54

yeah, we can all relate. Yeah.

48:00

You never know. Yeah, it could be

48:02

true documentary crew. You're right. Yeah, absolutely

48:09

No, I think he's more you know

48:11

the technically Nick would be So

48:24

we did we watched the first two episodes and

48:26

part of us recently as in we watched the

48:28

office UK and us And

48:30

but I yeah, I've got a feel for all of

48:33

the sporting cast The

48:38

other thing just to say is the folks we talked about the

48:40

veil you're my talk about the veil which is the the

48:43

Elizabeth Moss Starring Stephen

48:45

Knight spy thriller drama thing that

48:47

has had a date confirmed May

48:49

29th on the Disney Plus Okay,

48:52

cuz I was moaning on about what you put it in the

48:54

calendar I

49:03

We done with news we've been if Brian Fuller has

49:05

the path into Crystal Lake series that was the 13th

49:07

one So I saw someone tweet

49:09

that it wouldn't be a Brian Fuller project without him He

49:17

likes departing project It's

49:22

a shame is that I quite like the I

49:24

like the idea Hannibal's brilliant He managed to stick

49:26

with hannah would need for like what three see

49:28

it seems to you. Well, yeah got cattle They

49:30

got it. Yeah, it's on a literal cliffhanger. Yeah

49:34

Was Gavin space Gavin and Stacy which has

49:36

ended on a metaphorical cliffhanger Wow

49:45

a legal drama Gavin

49:49

versus spacey anyway Let's

49:52

let's move on

49:54

let's move on from that very

49:57

rapidly and into this week's

49:59

reviews And first up this week, we

50:02

have The Gathering on Channel 4, which is

50:04

not much to my dismay, a spin-off of

50:06

the legendary 80s film and subsequent 90s TV

50:08

show Highlander, but rather a tale of toxic

50:11

teenagers and, frankly, if we're honest, even more

50:13

toxic parents. This is

50:15

kind of like a mystery thriller, as he's a

50:17

group of cutthroat school gymnasts, which is

50:19

not a sentence I thought I would say today. A

50:21

dad with a violent past, the worst mother in

50:23

the world, and I include breeders in this, and

50:27

most crucially, a murder at

50:30

an illegal rave. So which illegal

50:32

raver should talk about The Gathering?

50:34

There can be only one, and

50:36

it's Boyd Hilton. Boydy, will you tell us about

50:38

this Merseyside set show, or will you be a

50:41

fucking chicken? Oh, my God.

50:45

Sorry. Sorry to everyone. Not just the police.

50:47

I apologize. The police is

50:49

a master. I apologize. I should come

50:51

clean and say I did host the Q&A. All

50:54

right, absolutely biased. Disregard everything he's about to say. So

50:56

if you'd known that, you probably would have gone to

50:58

Sophie. Yeah, I would have gone to Sophie. But

51:01

you didn't know that, fair enough. I

51:04

think this is a really interesting show because

51:06

it kind of, I think it's written by

51:08

Helen Walsh. This is her first TV script.

51:10

She's a successful novelist, and she's written a

51:12

couple of films as well. This

51:15

is her first TV drama, and I think

51:17

what she's done is she's used the whodunit

51:19

films. It starts off with this rave on

51:21

this actual island near the rear, which I

51:23

can't remember what it's called. No, I can't

51:25

remember what it's called. But yeah. And she

51:27

gets this young woman gets attacked, and

51:30

you don't know who the attacker is. And then

51:32

what the really interesting form of the show is,

51:35

all the subsequent episodes, the six

51:37

episodes, focus kind of on

51:40

one of the possible suspects or

51:42

one of the friends or parents

51:44

or whatever who are likely suspects

51:46

in attacking her. Right, okay. And

51:48

you kind of don't necessarily notice that until you carry

51:50

on watching it. So I've seen four episodes. Right. Yeah,

51:53

we've only seen one, so I didn't realize that. Yeah. So

51:55

I've seen the first four because I did toast the thing

51:57

so that like gave me access to that many and it

51:59

really. It really develops fascinating as it

52:01

goes on and I think it uses that

52:04

Compelling thriller who done it format to

52:07

explore really interesting ideas So as you

52:09

said the mother is like

52:11

pushy parents It really goes for broken that

52:13

because no she is awful for the net

52:15

played by the net wrong. Oh my god

52:18

Oh my friend. Oh my friend. So

52:20

you've got the interesting class thing Yeah,

52:22

the main the main young woman Kelly

52:24

played by Eva Morgan, right? This is

52:27

a first She's amazing. She's

52:29

really good incredible. Yeah first ever acting

52:31

role not just first ever TV action

52:33

role literally a third Phenomenal

52:35

she's so naturalistic. It's incredible

52:42

She's acting opposite Sadie Soveral who plays Jessica who

52:44

as we I mean and he's an acting powerhouse

52:46

because he was in fake the winks I got

52:48

so well, I mean, yeah Standing

52:53

in her shadow her wing shadow exactly So you've

52:55

got this class conflict between these two friends who

52:57

are both not they're not only to high school

52:59

gymnast They're actually going for to be in the

53:01

England team. Yes. Well, so they're they're elite I

53:03

think is the idea they're elite elite in

53:05

the gym. That's throat gymnast So it's

53:07

exploring that world of cutthroat, you know

53:09

and coaching and all of that Yeah,

53:12

the pushy parents so you got her

53:14

the the posha girls pushy parent played by

53:17

the net Robinson Who is the

53:19

most awful mother in

53:21

terms of pushing pushing her into doing? Oh

53:23

my god. Yeah Ordinary

53:26

so you've got the fact that

53:29

the Eva characters Mother

53:31

has died and she her dad played by

53:33

Warren Brown very effectively is looking after her

53:35

and her little kid brother Yeah, and

53:38

her dad's been involved in some kind of incident. That's

53:40

right And that and the way that's played out is

53:42

it just kind of drops into the

53:45

story unheralded and you're just like did I Drift

53:47

off at one point did I miss nothing?

53:49

Yeah, but no you're supposed to be a little

53:51

bit discombobulated Then there's because my Richard

53:53

coil is really well, I'm going to that. Okay,

53:56

then this is okay I'll get to the ritual bit

53:58

is that Richard coil is the father of another

54:00

boy who goes to the same posh school as

54:02

the posh girl and his teenage son

54:05

is a troubled figure in ways that I

54:07

won't go into because that's a spoiler. But

54:09

Richard calls it an even more possibly pushy

54:11

parent that have been at Robinson's character and

54:13

he is an utter, the more you see

54:15

of him, I think episode four

54:17

is where you see more of him and

54:19

his son. That relationship is just twisted.

54:22

So you've got that element.

54:24

You've got this whole free

54:26

running parkour. There is a

54:29

lot of parkour. Her best

54:31

friend, her confidant is this incredibly

54:33

ripped young guy who

54:36

is a parkour free runner.

54:39

He's like her confidant. And what's really clever

54:41

is you kind of make assumptions about all

54:43

these different characters, like in terms of their

54:45

class and the kind of people

54:47

they hang out with, etc, etc. And then all

54:50

of these things kind of change as the series

54:52

goes on. One of the kind of, not his

54:54

mates, but one of the people in their parkour

54:56

free running gang is an immigrant, is a migrant

54:59

who's, you know, cut off

55:01

the boat literally. And his story is

55:03

explored more as it goes on. And

55:05

he's, there's a kind of flirtation between

55:07

him going back to an Eva. So

55:09

it's an incredibly complex, intertwined cast

55:12

of characters, all of whom are possibly

55:14

suspects for the crime that the show

55:16

begins with. But they also take us

55:18

so many different ideas and themes from

55:21

the pushy parenting, drugs,

55:24

sexuality, being a

55:26

teenager in the age of social

55:28

media, all of that. Parkour,

55:30

free running, the dangers of parkour.

55:33

And that shot so well. Oh

55:35

my God. It's filmed brilliantly. There is a bit when

55:37

they're doing jumps on the roof and I had to

55:39

look away because it was stressing me out so much.

55:41

You know what as well, on my way home, I

55:44

often walk home, right? You jump off the roof, right?

55:46

I'm probably not as happy as I am. Are

55:48

you all right? I free run pretty much from

55:51

here. It doesn't bother with a tube. When I

55:53

get to Waterloo, right, you know, where the big

55:55

IMAX is, there's a whole load of free run

55:57

parkour people. Oh really? Yeah. subways.

56:00

And they leap between the pavement and

56:02

the subway exit. It's terrifying. And every

56:04

time I come past it, I'm like,

56:06

please God, just, you know, don't do

56:09

anything stupid. They really reminded me

56:11

of that, that they very effectively kind of used

56:13

that whole thing to

56:15

ratchet up the tension. And there's the whole

56:18

competitive gymnastics thing. And then it's

56:20

just going to, but you know what, it's all

56:22

dealt with in a really convincing, kind of

56:25

grounded in reality, fascinating.

56:27

I think it's a really exceptionally good show.

56:29

And as I said, I do

56:31

think the more you watch it, the more

56:33

gripping and fascinating it becomes. She's done a

56:35

kind of amazing job of getting all of

56:38

this stuff into a six-part show. It does.

56:40

Like that first episode feels like it is

56:42

juggling so many balls. The only thing is

56:44

it's quite stressful. Like it's, it's quite like

56:46

a real not in your gut kind of

56:48

show. And not just because you want to

56:50

know what happens, it's just because the, the

56:52

fractious relationships, frankly, but the acrophobia, just like

56:55

people hanging off the edge of buildings. Like

56:57

there's, I found it a really stressful watch,

56:59

but it's, it's very good. It's very, very

57:01

good. Yeah. That's part of like the thrill

57:03

of watching gymnastics or the free running is like,

57:05

it's always high stakes. It's just like the

57:07

risk of injury is just so obviously there

57:10

all the time. But I,

57:12

I was so hooked in by this and I

57:14

hadn't really expected to be, I sort of put

57:16

it on because I needed to watch it. And then I like

57:18

couldn't stop watching it. I couldn't look away. She's just

57:21

to come back to Eva Morgan. She's so

57:23

good as like the heart and soul of

57:26

the show and watching her bounce off. The

57:28

other girl, Jessica, her friend is

57:30

really great. There's quite a

57:32

lot of surprises in there. There's like, there's

57:35

like a bit of a crash incident that

57:37

was like shocking. So it's like shot really

57:39

well. As well as the

57:41

characters, the soundtrack's great. It feels just very, like

57:43

very fresh. And like, I like the Liverpool setting.

57:47

It feels like it's not sort of people

57:49

doing young people, which I know is a

57:51

gripe of Beth. It feels authentic in that

57:54

way. And

57:56

I just really wanted to keep watching it, even though it

57:58

is kind of like a format. I didn't. know about

58:00

the different perspective things because we only had one episode. I

58:02

only had one episode. That format where it's

58:04

like you see something bad happening and then you flash back

58:06

to months earlier. We've all seen that before. I think

58:08

that can get tiring. It's boys favourite thing. I know,

58:10

I know. I did think of you. When I saw

58:13

one month earlier, I thought boys not going to like

58:15

that. No, but I think it's done

58:17

so brilliantly. Yeah, it kind of like it doesn't, you

58:19

don't feel tired by it because you just want

58:21

to know what happened. It's the whole crux

58:23

of the storytelling really well in this case.

58:25

That's the difference. I think this is all

58:27

about the time, what's

58:30

happened before, building up to the story that we

58:32

see in the present. So the way this time

58:34

jumps, I think this is really effective and clever.

58:37

It also reminds me, I don't know if you

58:39

guys thought there was a film out in lockdown,

58:41

like 2020 called Perfect Ten, which was a little

58:44

indie film by a director called Eva Riley. It was

58:46

about, it was set in Hastings and it was about

58:48

a young girl, like a young working class girl who

58:50

had like the potential to be an elite gymnast and

58:52

it was like full of gymnastics and it was about

58:54

her kind of and her like family situation and trying

58:56

to get into the spot and all this sort of

58:58

thing. Really similar themes. It's

59:00

so good. I had a great soundtrack as well.

59:02

So it just feels like a really interesting world to

59:05

be in. Yeah, I

59:07

remember when it came out, I didn't see it

59:09

actually, but it was a good movie that if

59:11

you can find it anywhere. I should mention the

59:13

Ripped Gart character, I was struggling to find his

59:15

name. So I say you might want to narrow

59:17

it down there a few of them, but yeah,

59:19

it's called Adam. Well, the confident of Eva, he's

59:22

played by Sonny Walker. We see quite a lot

59:24

of Adam. Yeah. And Bazzy is the guy who's

59:26

the Syrian refugee. He's played

59:28

by Luca Kamala Chapman, who's they're all

59:30

brilliant, brilliant actors as well. All the

59:32

young characters are fantastic, completely hold

59:34

their own character. Yeah, and they're all fantastic.

59:37

The older characters. It's, I mean, in some

59:39

ways it's a risky format, isn't

59:41

it? When you do different episodes from different

59:43

standpoints, like it works narratively, but you also

59:45

dissociate from the characters that you're starting to

59:47

gravitate towards. Well, what's really clever about it

59:50

is that part of it, I

59:52

think you almost don't notice until you're told it's

59:54

one of those is whereby, so I kind of

59:56

almost partly only really know that that is the

59:58

way the structure shows up. because the

1:00:00

writer explained that. It's

1:00:02

a full rationally. No, it's not. It's

1:00:05

so it's quite subtly done. So the poem I knew, so you

1:00:07

keep in touch with all the general ensemble

1:00:09

week by week. There's just more of a

1:00:12

focus on one character or one character and

1:00:14

their parent invariably than there would be in

1:00:16

the other episode. So it's quite, it's very

1:00:18

cleverly modulated in that way. Very

1:00:21

good show. I'm going to keep watching it. Yeah, I think

1:00:23

it's great. The Gathering then on Channel 4 when

1:00:26

boy, Tuesday, the 14th of May, 2020

1:00:28

for 9 p.m. Okay.

1:00:32

And on Channel 4 then is on Channel

1:00:34

4. It's also on their online thing,

1:00:36

channel4.com as well. Yeah, just the name

1:00:38

of Channel 4 is online catch up

1:00:40

service rather than they used to do

1:00:42

all four or more for all. No, all four or was

1:00:44

it for ID? For ID. For ID. And

1:00:46

you know, you know, there's now by the way, which we could

1:00:48

have put in news, but I just, it's just struck me. It

1:00:51

was an hour so long ago, but the UK TV channels like

1:00:54

Gold and Dave and W they're

1:00:56

being renamed U hyphen those names.

1:00:58

So it's U hyphen W, U

1:01:00

hyphen Gold, U hyphen Dave. And

1:01:02

it's really weird. What's the thinking?

1:01:04

I don't know. I think they just

1:01:07

to make it less UK centric and

1:01:09

less TV centric. I think it's more

1:01:11

reminder that they're all part of the

1:01:13

same umbrella family. So the U, so

1:01:15

they want to emphasize that it's U

1:01:17

slash hyphen. What is the example? UK.

1:01:20

UKTV. So instead of the UK

1:01:23

dash. Well,

1:01:26

that's too clunky. So I think they're hoping

1:01:28

they'll be, you are watching U Dave or

1:01:30

U W. Okay. First

1:01:33

of all, capital is a meeting itself. Yeah. First

1:01:35

of all, having a channel called Dave is confusing

1:01:37

enough. But you Dave, you Dave, you Dave.

1:01:39

No, it was announced a while ago. And

1:01:43

I remember thinking that's just mad. They'll never go through with

1:01:45

it. But then this week I think I got sent the

1:01:47

logo. I was like, okay, this is actually worse than now.

1:01:50

Yeah. Yeah. Now the now slash now

1:01:52

TV in Broglie. Now it's not now.

1:01:54

It's not now. It's not

1:01:56

now. My favorite thing about no. we've

1:02:00

covered this before, but both Prime Video,

1:02:02

Amazon Prime Video, can't call Amazon. No,

1:02:04

just Prime Video. But if you go

1:02:06

to any launch of any Prime Video

1:02:08

show, I guarantee you the talent involved

1:02:10

will call it Amazon Prime. And

1:02:13

I guarantee you that any Sky slash now event, the

1:02:15

talent will call it Now TV, even though

1:02:21

it's not called Amazon. And I just want to say that as

1:02:23

someone who has to tweet out about these shows and

1:02:25

I'm Well,

1:02:31

this is why now is impossible. Yeah,

1:02:33

well, yeah, which, you know, I do. If you

1:02:35

ever see a tweet that's like, why she said

1:02:37

now five times, just know that I struggled and leave

1:02:40

me alone. Yeah, really hard. Don't

1:02:42

you really think more about us?

1:02:45

I know. I know. Yeah.

1:02:48

We are the real victims. Yeah. We

1:02:50

might be doing a you hyphen shows, quite soon. You

1:02:53

alibi. What's

1:02:55

a UW? Not

1:02:57

the CW, the UW. Wow.

1:03:00

Okay. We've

1:03:03

got another show coming up now and it's

1:03:05

often black echoes a sequel to the 2013 show

1:03:08

or from black. This is the one that

1:03:10

put Tatiana Maslany on the map. This one, however, so

1:03:12

Kristen Ritter and she's a clone on a mission. And

1:03:15

this one is set many years off the original in

1:03:17

the year 2052, making it a nice little sci-fi

1:03:20

show. This I want to add

1:03:22

in the US. I want to say at the end of

1:03:25

last year, I think it's taken a while to get here,

1:03:27

but this finds its way to ITVX this week. Sophie, were

1:03:29

you an orphan black fan? And this came out in however

1:03:32

many years it was in 2013. I

1:03:34

have watched, I'd like to say

1:03:36

maybe two or three seasons of Orphan Black. I

1:03:38

didn't finish it. Same here. And I didn't

1:03:40

watch. I was like late to it, but

1:03:42

I watched a good chunk of it, but I can't remember a

1:03:44

lot of it. And so I

1:03:46

don't know how it ended. No, neither do I. But

1:03:48

that was so Tatiana Maslany played a woman who sees

1:03:51

someone who looks just like her jump under a train

1:03:53

and then essentially adopts her life because she's homeless at

1:03:55

the time. And then she meets a whole lot of

1:03:57

other people. And sometimes she's one of many close. clone.

1:04:00

Yeah. She plays like 50, 20 different roles.

1:04:02

She's amazing in that. Um, very deserved. I

1:04:04

did put it on the, put her on

1:04:07

the map like it did. Um, yeah,

1:04:09

this, like you say, is like a sequel 30

1:04:11

odd years after, um, created

1:04:13

by Anna Fishko and the connective tissue

1:04:15

here is that, um, so in off

1:04:17

and back, the original show Sarah Manning,

1:04:20

which was the like protagonist, the main

1:04:22

character, the main clone of the show, um,

1:04:25

had a daughter called Keira. I can't

1:04:27

remember if that happened in the seasons. I

1:04:29

watched all season. No, she's in her first

1:04:31

season. She's in it. So the connective tissue

1:04:33

here is that Keira is now all grown

1:04:35

up and she's played by Keely Hawes. Um, star of

1:04:37

many great things, life on Mars, et cetera. Um, doing

1:04:40

an American accent, which I couldn't actually get

1:04:42

past. Technically she's an

1:04:44

ashes to ashes rather than life

1:04:47

on Mars. But yes, I know.

1:04:49

Sorry, sorry. I knew what I'm, I did watch

1:04:51

all shows. I love the shows. Um, that's what I

1:04:53

meant. So I can't quite get past

1:04:55

her US accent, but it's okay. So

1:04:57

yeah, the, the kind of clone

1:04:59

in question here is Kristen Ritter, as you

1:05:01

say, um, who I really love

1:05:04

a lot. She's great in Jessica Jones. She's great

1:05:06

in, um, don't trust the big in apartment 23.

1:05:09

You watch that show. Yes,

1:05:11

I did. Yes. Wrongly canceled because of how

1:05:13

it got messed up with you to the

1:05:15

right strike. Um, and basically

1:05:17

this starts kind of

1:05:19

very typically sci-fi in that she

1:05:21

sort of wakes up, she's suffering from amnesia.

1:05:24

She doesn't know who she is. Keely Hawes is like

1:05:26

the doctor or therapist talking to her and,

1:05:28

um, sort of reveals

1:05:30

to her that she underwent some sort

1:05:33

of operation or something, a procedure. And

1:05:36

she doesn't have long-term memory. Um, this is on the

1:05:38

first couple of minutes. This is not a spoiler. And

1:05:40

she kind of breaks out of there her

1:05:42

character called Lucy and it kind of picks up with

1:05:44

her sort of trying to live a life outside of

1:05:47

that. It moves forward two years and you don't really

1:05:49

know what's happened in those two years, but you find

1:05:51

her on this kind of farm situation. Um, she,

1:05:54

um, has a boyfriend called Jack.

1:05:56

He's played by Avon Porgia. Um, and

1:05:58

his daughter played by Zariella

1:06:00

Langford is called Charlie and

1:06:02

Lucy's very good friends with

1:06:04

Charlie looks after her, Charlie's death, and

1:06:07

she's got this little life for herself that she's trying

1:06:10

to build but then something happens, her old life catches

1:06:12

up with her, she sort of goes on the run

1:06:14

to figure it out. I was

1:06:18

looking forward to this because I really enjoyed

1:06:20

Off and Black but I was a bit

1:06:22

disappointed by this. It

1:06:25

feels like because you know where

1:06:27

it's coming from and you know what Off and Black was

1:06:29

about and because it starts with all this kind of lab

1:06:32

stuff and like her

1:06:34

as a clone and like there's all this sort of like a

1:06:36

body that she discovers and all that kind of

1:06:38

stuff. It feels like, I don't know what I'm

1:06:43

waiting for her to uncover because I feel

1:06:45

like I know what her

1:06:47

story is in a way and like

1:06:49

it there's like teasers of

1:06:51

what's happening, what's to come so you

1:06:54

don't know necessarily Keely Horne's character. She's

1:06:56

kind of like the scientist who's created

1:06:58

this company that can kind of manufacture

1:07:00

human tissue, that's kind of what the cloning part of

1:07:02

it is. You can't tell

1:07:05

whether she's good or bad sort of thing, it sort

1:07:07

of hints different ways. You think she's like the antagonist

1:07:09

to begin with because she's kind of Lucy

1:07:11

prisoner but then you're sort of not

1:07:13

sure by the end of the episode. I just felt

1:07:16

like the opening and

1:07:18

a set up in a way kind of answers a

1:07:20

lot of questions and doesn't raise a lot of them

1:07:23

and so I felt like I

1:07:25

didn't have any drive to keep watching this to

1:07:27

find out what happens in a way. Christian Ritter

1:07:30

is strong, she has some nice chemistry

1:07:32

with the little family that she's made.

1:07:35

There's some kind of like shocking moments

1:07:37

in there that did surprise me, I

1:07:39

didn't see coming but it

1:07:41

all felt to me just like

1:07:44

quite a generic premise and quite

1:07:46

a generic set up. I did not

1:07:48

feel compelled to keep watching it sadly. I think

1:07:50

exactly what you say, it follows very closely the

1:07:52

template of the original show but without the mystery

1:07:55

element and that was the key part of All

1:07:57

from Black. You were uncovering it. Oh,

1:08:00

she's a clone, but then it was like the depth of

1:08:02

it and the different clones and the clones and there are

1:08:04

clones on Both sides of the aisle

1:08:06

in that one like it's a really common And there's

1:08:08

a whole mythology and then there are religious zealots trying

1:08:11

to kill the clones like it go I mean they

1:08:13

don't go they go a little bit too far down

1:08:15

the rabbit hole if I'm honest with you It gets

1:08:17

a little bit like you know when you start getting

1:08:19

into like Dark Angel territory If you ever saw that

1:08:22

James Cameron show which had Jessica Albert put Jessica Albert

1:08:24

on the map Right, but yeah, I mean but often

1:08:26

black I enjoy but then when it

1:08:28

started to get silly I stopped watching it this

1:08:30

almost seems to begin where often black got silly

1:08:33

it begins with the answers I don't know. There's gonna

1:08:35

be more that it's gonna be more Yeah,

1:08:38

well, it doesn't make me think that there

1:08:40

is more for me is it takes the bizarre creative

1:08:43

decision Fakili hose to

1:08:46

explain what's happened to her and who

1:08:48

she is. Yeah You're

1:08:51

calling it all from black echoes you call that cat is

1:08:53

out of the bag It

1:08:56

sounds about for us the viewer Yeah They could have

1:08:58

if she's to the jeopardy is just she's now being

1:09:00

chased by people who just want to bring her back

1:09:03

to the lab Yeah, and as you

1:09:05

say kitty horse seems to be I don't even know

1:09:07

if it is that ambiguous She was to be basically

1:09:09

a well-meaning scientist

1:09:11

who happens whose organization is

1:09:14

really? Yeah, and they're the real

1:09:16

bad is she's just capital if yeah, right She's

1:09:19

going in the middle of them all as the

1:09:21

scientists as like the Oppenheimer figure almost when everyone's

1:09:23

being really evil and bad surrounding them, but

1:09:25

just I just thought was a weird thing for her to know

1:09:28

what Why?

1:09:31

It just would have added another level of intrigue if

1:09:33

she herself But that was the whole thing about all

1:09:35

the fact that she herself didn't know and puzzling it

1:09:37

It would have been I just I just think it's

1:09:40

weird written for that for them to

1:09:42

decide to not bother with that Thinking I was

1:09:44

to just explain everything Right

1:09:46

from the start. So I thought that was misguided

1:09:48

and and I agree with you. There's just no

1:09:50

real reason There's no dramatic tension

1:09:52

for me in wanting to carry on watching

1:09:55

because she knows what's happening. She's just

1:09:57

running away protecting her daughter fine

1:10:00

She's with the hunky guy, that's

1:10:02

fine. But none of it is

1:10:04

interesting enough to keep to push the camera motion. No,

1:10:06

and there's not enough there in terms

1:10:09

of character and in terms of her, not that

1:10:11

she's performing it perfectly well, like she's great and

1:10:14

she's very watchable, but there's not just, there's kind

1:10:16

of not enough there to make up for how

1:10:18

generic the setup feels and make you just want

1:10:20

it. Whereas the gathering feels like the opposite. It

1:10:22

was like, yes, that, okay, there's

1:10:24

like an incident and it flashes back that we've seen

1:10:27

that all before. But instantly I was so hooked in

1:10:29

by those characters that I didn't really care that I'd

1:10:31

kind of seen the setup before. I wanted to know

1:10:33

what happened, but I feel like that it hasn't really

1:10:35

achieved that one here. And I don't

1:10:37

know, the writing feels a bit clunky. Like there's

1:10:39

one point she's, you know, that she's in bed

1:10:41

with her boyfriend and they apparently

1:10:43

have been together for a year,

1:10:46

but then he's asking

1:10:48

her like basic questions. I was like, wouldn't

1:10:50

you have asked her that in like week one? And

1:10:52

then it's like, just to do some expositioning and catch us

1:10:54

up. But then it's like, that just feels kind of funny.

1:10:56

I don't know. That feels a bit clunky. Yeah.

1:10:58

Oh, it's so funky. And then it's like, oh, now I'm going

1:11:00

to go and see, kill yours. I'm just going to explain it

1:11:03

all anyway. It's a shame

1:11:05

for this production value. It

1:11:07

looks good. And I liked the

1:11:09

future setting. I was quite excited when it was in 2050. I

1:11:11

was like, Ooh, yeah,

1:11:13

but they don't really know that much.

1:11:15

Not really more touch screen. The very

1:11:17

quite clunky Boston skyline is all in

1:11:20

a while. I felt very unconvincing and

1:11:23

not just like dodgy, whoever see CGI or

1:11:25

a map painting, whatever they've used for that.

1:11:27

It just doesn't look like a real style

1:11:29

to me. Like the buildings. No, although they,

1:11:31

I mean, they found some nice, like cool

1:11:33

locations with like cool buildings that makes you

1:11:36

feel like you live in the future. So

1:11:38

that's true. And that's a nice

1:11:40

sort of contrast to the kind of farm life that

1:11:42

she's trying to live. But yeah,

1:11:45

it just didn't, it just didn't knock me in. Unfortunately,

1:11:47

there's a big box like in, what's

1:11:49

it called? You know, the don't matter.

1:11:51

People love a big box. Not big

1:11:53

boxes. Not big holes, no big

1:11:56

boxes. Yeah. What's going on with sci-fi

1:11:58

at the moment? Well,

1:12:01

All from Black Echoes, which

1:12:03

airs on UITVX when, Boydie.

1:12:05

UITVX now. Now

1:12:07

you've pissed off you and ITV.

1:12:10

It's on ITVX, Thursday the 16th of May 2024. I

1:12:15

think it's all available in one week. Why did you give

1:12:18

it up for you? Because

1:12:20

it's a running joke. Oh, sorry. A

1:12:23

joke in inverted commas. It's a joke

1:12:25

that I feel my feelings cause for

1:12:27

that. It was for

1:12:29

Kay's benefit. Kay the

1:12:31

release date dependent. Right. Right.

1:12:35

Finally this week, we have Rebus on UBC1.

1:12:38

Not to be confused with Rebus on UITV, which aired

1:12:40

in the North East. And

1:12:47

also followed the adventures of Rebus, who

1:12:49

was Ian Rankin's kind of maverick Scottish

1:12:52

inspector. Now this reboot goes

1:12:54

back to when Rebus was a lowly detective

1:12:56

sergeant, albeit one who I think begins the

1:12:58

show. And shall we say a rather unconventional

1:13:00

manner of policing? Slightly. Slightly. Just

1:13:03

putting that out there. So, Boydie, this one

1:13:05

is setting your head in brah. Tell

1:13:07

us, why didn't you think about that? Jesus

1:13:09

Christ. I like my words. With

1:13:12

each syllable that got worse. By the way, I

1:13:14

forgot to say, Keylee Hoys' accent was really good

1:13:16

in Thingy, but it was a bit distracting. I

1:13:18

know what you mean. It is jarring. It is

1:13:20

jarring, but just because we know it so well

1:13:22

as the question, it is a British warmer.

1:13:24

But, yeah, more jarring than your fucking... I

1:13:27

sound like I'm from Scotland. I mean, it's

1:13:29

very, very Scottish, as you said. Oh, that's a

1:13:32

little funny. As a fan of

1:13:34

Ian Rankin, Ian Rankin is a brilliant, brilliant writer. And

1:13:37

his Rebus novels are fantastic.

1:13:40

And I remember quite liking the original ITV

1:13:42

version, where it was John Hammer, then it

1:13:44

was Ken Stock. Now, what I'm

1:13:46

going to say is, I can't

1:13:48

imagine Ken Stock, all due

1:13:51

respect, doing the kind of

1:13:53

things that, in this, Richard Rankin,

1:13:56

no relation. Yeah, I actually love

1:13:58

that. Harris. He's like naked in

1:14:00

it. He's like, you know, just lying on the bed with his ass

1:14:11

out at one point. And

1:14:14

as you say, as you alluded to

1:14:16

James, the first scene is really shocking

1:14:18

scene of violence that he enacts again.

1:14:20

This is not the spoiler because it's

1:14:22

literally the opening scene and it's quite

1:14:24

shocking. The extent to which he's embroiled

1:14:27

in that part, you're

1:14:29

like, Oh, hello. And it doesn't

1:14:31

really matter from there because he carries

1:14:33

on basically in this version of the

1:14:35

story, he is heavily embroiled with in

1:14:37

the kind of Edinburgh gangster scene and

1:14:40

in all kinds of ways. He's basically the one that

1:14:42

gets another moment of power of violence about 10 minutes

1:14:44

later, I won't go into detail with. And

1:14:47

he's just been generally like scary, violent, quite

1:14:49

nasty guy. And there's almost nothing you could

1:14:51

watch this whole, almost this whole first episode

1:14:54

and think, is he just the villain? It's

1:14:56

just about him being a nasty, violent villain.

1:14:58

He's actually a cop trying to, but

1:15:01

it, but exactly what you're saying there.

1:15:03

So obviously, as we've talked about this

1:15:05

podcast for I, and I think you

1:15:07

have a thing for those kinds of

1:15:09

literary adaptation police dramas on TV, but

1:15:11

this doesn't feel like one because it

1:15:13

feels part sort of

1:15:15

literary police TV thing part social

1:15:17

realist drama. And I was, I

1:15:19

was quite, yeah, it had a

1:15:22

real low key and vibe to

1:15:24

it. I, I, yeah, I

1:15:26

was really wrong-footed on this. It's really interesting.

1:15:28

Yes. I agree completely. Yeah. It's not, it's

1:15:30

not, doesn't feel like a procedural or it's

1:15:32

not, it's, it's properly

1:15:34

gritty, like a drama with, which just

1:15:37

happens to be about this really ruthless,

1:15:39

quite nasty cop who's

1:15:41

dealing with, it was admittedly, you know, he's

1:15:43

surrounded by nastiness and horrible gangsters and people being

1:15:46

violent and terrible. So, but I thought it

1:15:48

was really well done. I thought he was great.

1:15:50

I thought it was, you know, I

1:15:52

thought the grittiness was felt very natural rather than

1:15:54

it being ladled on and the kind of in

1:15:56

an, in an obvious way. Interesting about this whole

1:15:58

series is, you know, So BBC One

1:16:01

has acquired it. They didn't make it.

1:16:03

It's actually made by Swedish streaming service

1:16:05

via plane. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a

1:16:08

Swedish. Yes. It's a standing noir

1:16:10

Commission that the BBC is then forward is

1:16:13

now showing this is Saturday night So as

1:16:15

you said the most Scottish show that's a

1:16:17

bleed on brew like it's a draw man.

1:16:19

Yes completely 100% Yeah,

1:16:21

it's and yeah, it's actually a Swedish production. It's

1:16:24

really weird that that is and although to be

1:16:26

fair like this this, you know Rankin's Zubra

1:16:29

his genre is sort of tartan. Why yeah,

1:16:31

yeah, yeah completely. He does. Yeah, you know the

1:16:33

scandis do enjoy a bit of noir So for

1:16:35

sure, I struggled with this bit to

1:16:38

Scottish No,

1:16:46

you know from the Northeast and not that far

1:16:49

from Scotland this I mean I You

1:16:51

you might yell at me here. I

1:16:54

remember watching Rebus when my grandma was looking

1:16:56

after me my

1:16:59

grandma likes it, you know, she likes a terrestrial

1:17:02

TV police show And

1:17:05

I can remember watching it and all that sort

1:17:07

of thing and why you're in the Blorgan Silent

1:17:09

witness and all that kind of thing

1:17:11

touching evil. Could I just shock you? Go

1:17:14

just shock you by saying I remember writing

1:17:16

about Rebus in heat magazine Carry

1:17:20

on I'm sorry that I had John Hannah was in the year 2000

1:17:22

when yeah Um

1:17:26

this to me felt like I could have

1:17:28

been watching one of those shows it felt It

1:17:31

didn't feel fresh at all. It felt like

1:17:33

I mean for a start I find

1:17:35

the whole lone wolf alcoholic

1:17:41

Quite grating quite wearing we've seen that a

1:17:43

million times. I don't feel like he was

1:17:45

bringing anything new to that And

1:17:49

and it was just quite a lot of miserable

1:17:51

middle-aged men doing miserable things He's

1:17:54

awful, um, you know, he's hard to root for he is very

1:17:56

hard for

1:18:00

it. Like that scene with his brother, which comes early on,

1:18:02

you're like, you're a massive bellend, aren't you? And

1:18:05

I don't like him. I don't really

1:18:08

care about him. I don't want to see what happens to

1:18:10

him. It was very bleak. It

1:18:12

hints at Peter Fillier, 10 minutes in. I thought,

1:18:15

God. And

1:18:21

I liked, to be fair, the bit

1:18:23

that I did like was, so at one point

1:18:25

he's got this new kind of police partner that

1:18:27

he's working with. He's English. And at one point

1:18:29

he's talking to her about the sort of gentrification

1:18:31

of Edinburgh and like people come here and then

1:18:33

they stay here and you know, there's obviously an

1:18:35

underbelly to it that they don't know and all that sort

1:18:37

of stuff. And I was like, that's kind of an interesting theme,

1:18:40

but overall, I found this kind

1:18:42

of just really cold

1:18:44

and it didn't feel

1:18:46

new to me. It felt like the same sort of

1:18:48

character I've seen a million times. And

1:18:52

I just felt a bit miserable when I

1:18:54

finished watching it. It is miserable. It

1:18:56

is grim. It has a real bleakness to it.

1:18:58

I think also part of the problem is that

1:19:00

the sort of luchian element, the social realist element

1:19:03

means that you don't get into the

1:19:05

kind of plot as it were until that

1:19:07

last five minutes of the episode. No, like

1:19:09

the policey plot. Like you don't really know.

1:19:11

It's a lot about his family. A lot

1:19:14

of it's setting up the bleakness of his

1:19:16

existence, right? Like his mentor is in a

1:19:18

wheelchair. He's having an ill-advised relationship. His daughter

1:19:20

is now very attached to his ex-wife's very

1:19:22

rich new partner. He doesn't get on with his

1:19:25

brother. He doesn't like his partner. He's

1:19:27

just got quite shit life and he starts

1:19:29

off. Obviously, he's clearly a dreadful policeman for

1:19:32

a variety of reasons. Why would I want

1:19:34

to watch this behind? But this is the

1:19:36

thing. And so without the

1:19:38

kind of police procedural hook, the mystery,

1:19:40

like the case, if you will, you're

1:19:43

just like, I was stuck hanging out

1:19:45

with this raging bell. Yeah, God. And

1:19:47

I kind of need a bit more.

1:19:49

So I found him interesting, but not

1:19:51

particularly good for me. Like I was

1:19:54

curious to see how it

1:19:56

would play out, but I wanted to want him more than I

1:19:58

did want it in the way that he did. that I

1:20:00

very much enjoyed this particular genre of

1:20:02

show. But I thought,

1:20:04

I thought, and I actually quite liked that

1:20:06

they did something slightly different and this social

1:20:09

realist element was introduced, but I felt it

1:20:11

was dominant in this first episode. I felt

1:20:13

the police thing was almost like a minor,

1:20:15

you know, supporting plot line to this, that

1:20:18

I thought this isn't really what I find

1:20:20

out. I liked, I

1:20:22

found the fact that I did think it was different actually. I

1:20:24

thought it is, yeah. I don't

1:20:26

know those kinds of genre of shows as well as

1:20:29

you guys. I've watched, I've seen a lot of them,

1:20:31

but I don't know. I think the

1:20:34

way it made you feel, which I think

1:20:36

I totally get, was part, I think was

1:20:38

a deliberate choice on this part, to be

1:20:40

this kind of grim and not make

1:20:43

it your standard procedure and not

1:20:45

get into the story of a

1:20:47

crime until the last few minutes.

1:20:49

I kind of liked all of

1:20:51

that being different and he is

1:20:53

kind of like morose. When he's not

1:20:56

being violent he's morose or just kind

1:20:58

of, I thought he's kind of refreshingly

1:21:01

uncharismatic and you know, he hasn't got any

1:21:03

of those, I'm not secretly an opera lover

1:21:05

or all of that sort of shit. He's

1:21:07

like the anti-Morse, right? So I kind of

1:21:09

liked all that really, very underplayed in a

1:21:11

way by him, by Richard Rankin, no relation.

1:21:14

Lucy Shorthouse by the way, played the piano

1:21:16

also in We Are Lady Parts of course,

1:21:18

she's one of the main characters in We

1:21:20

Are Lady Parts, she's great. And

1:21:23

their interaction, like you know, that seems

1:21:25

to dislike or like her, I like

1:21:27

the fact that they're just kind of

1:21:29

ambivalent towards each other. She wants to

1:21:33

be a helpful kind of thing. I found

1:21:35

it quite, I'm telling you the bottom line

1:21:37

is I believed it, I believed it all.

1:21:39

I kind of bought into the whole idea

1:21:41

of it and the kind of tone of

1:21:43

it. Whereas I think you watch a lot

1:21:45

of crime dramas, a lot of police procedures

1:21:47

and you think, oh, you know, it's all

1:21:49

a bit ridiculous, but I'm still enjoying it.

1:21:51

This I found completely realistic and authentic and

1:21:54

it was like underplaying the thriller and

1:21:56

I quite enjoyed that about it, I

1:21:58

guess. I

1:22:00

don't like the argument that it's like someone, you

1:22:02

need to have a character that's likeable to

1:22:04

want to watch it. I know this is your argument with succession

1:22:07

and I don't agree with it. No,

1:22:09

it's basically stupid. The Bell Ant test.

1:22:11

Does this work for all the Bell Ant tests? It might

1:22:14

do. Oh, it's a gigantic Bell Ant. Well, he is. I'm

1:22:16

saying, are there any non-Bell Ants in there? That's

1:22:18

not the reason that I wouldn't watch it. Do you

1:22:20

know what I mean? That's not a defining factor

1:22:22

for me, but it's just something about this

1:22:24

that I found just... It's definitely an acquired

1:22:26

taste, I think, for sure. That's why I like

1:22:28

the argument. He's like a gruff detective and then

1:22:31

there's a new one. It's like

1:22:33

new kid on the block and they've got a dynamic.

1:22:35

I feel like I've seen it all before, but you're

1:22:37

saying it's fresh. I don't know. I think the way

1:22:39

it approaches it is fresh. The basic bold facts... I keep

1:22:41

using the word bold

1:22:46

today. It does seem

1:22:48

to be a formula, but I actually

1:22:50

think the way it's done is different.

1:22:53

They've taken the blocks of the Rebus

1:22:56

character and the storyline surrounding that character

1:22:58

and they've treated it in a very

1:23:00

unusual way, in an unexpected way. I've

1:23:02

not read any of Rankin's books myself,

1:23:05

but I don't imagine they're written quite like this. No,

1:23:09

but it is different. It's definitely doing something

1:23:11

new with the character, I would say, for

1:23:13

sure. Equally, it feels like a very believable

1:23:15

version of the younger version of the times

1:23:17

we meet. I've only literally read two. I'm

1:23:21

curious to see how much does it kick up a gear and does the

1:23:23

police stuff... Was this

1:23:30

a social realist scene

1:23:32

setting episode? I think that's my guess.

1:23:34

Or is it just going to be

1:23:37

this slightly languorous chilled vibe all the way

1:23:39

through where the police case will

1:23:41

move along incrementally at a glacial pace and then

1:23:43

we'll just be hanging out on the council state

1:23:45

for the rest of it. The

1:23:48

best thing about it is there's a character called

1:23:51

Jimmy McJagger. That's the one good thing

1:23:53

I like about it. Jimmy McJagger, yes. And there

1:23:55

are enough stones gags in there, I think. Well,

1:23:59

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know. Anyway, with ever this rat

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anti feminism maybe I'm wrong. Do

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we have a pic of the

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wow. I'm very clear

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want as the gathering a difficult for the

1:24:40

person the gathering is our pick of the

1:24:42

week. I think that's fair to say. What

1:24:44

else have we mrs we body other than

1:24:46

the big cigar on up the bus which

1:24:49

we can covering yeah on Paula plus a

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big cigar purchase of a little so codes

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for did some is bots on Thursday on

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on Thursday minister tunnels will arise. Month.

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one that focuses on publicly on Nickel

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Conference character Penelope said settings and saw

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him on Particularly Excited for Seized By

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Seamounts. Yeah, and then

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college. Yet it and colleagues

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eaten. Thanks. Exactly a friends and

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and then it's a law I'm I'm

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not about that. yeah I love her.

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she's such a burden of here said

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is that there's the next of the

1:25:29

Doctor Who is absurd Three Broom by

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Steven Moffat this is called Booms is

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where he arrives on award from planet

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the Doctor and he steps on the

1:25:38

land mines are are episode is him

1:25:40

dealing with how was going to get

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off this fucking lama and not die

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is a Italian series soon Italian drama

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on Scotland. Success now. monarchs he

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believes that just now a muslim wednesday

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a distinct sets him that send a

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pm there is of the simplest as

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a doctor by Liz Carr,

1:26:01

the brilliant actress Liz Carr, on BBC One on

1:26:03

Tuesday called Better Off Dead, which looks at, she's

1:26:05

a brilliant disability rights campaigner, she was in the

1:26:08

OA and I met her on set my famous

1:26:10

Best Day of my Life when I went on

1:26:12

set with the OA in a forest outside San

1:26:14

Francisco. She was there on set. She's

1:26:16

also in Silent Witness. She was in Silent Witness,

1:26:19

she's not in anymore. Yes, you're right, but she's

1:26:21

fantastic. She was in Devs as well and she's

1:26:23

made this one-off film looking at

1:26:25

the question of assisted dying from the point of

1:26:27

view of disabled people and what she thinks about

1:26:29

that whole topic. That's BBC One

1:26:31

Tuesday. Michael Mann's Tokyo Vice returns

1:26:35

on UBC2 on Tuesday, Tuesday the 14th,

1:26:37

which is exciting. And obviously I mentioned

1:26:39

Outer Rains, which comes back to Prime

1:26:41

Video on the 16th Thursday. And

1:26:44

The Equalizer, the news of The Equalizer, which is

1:26:46

pretty much the biggest show on American

1:26:48

TV now, by the way. Is it? What?

1:26:51

It's Queen Latifah and Latifah, the prime

1:26:53

show. It's massive, absolutely massive on American TV.

1:26:56

So that is arriving on Tuesday

1:26:58

on Sky Witness slash now.

1:27:01

And I think that's about it. OK,

1:27:03

well, I guess that's it for this week's show.

1:27:05

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1:27:24

haven't yet talked about what else we're

1:27:26

going to do. Will we be doing

1:27:28

Doctor Who? Who knows? We'll find out.

1:27:31

And on next week's show, we will have

1:27:33

a number of things going on, trying Return

1:27:35

to Apple. And we'll have the stars

1:27:37

of that show on here to talk about that. What

1:27:40

else is on next week, Boyd? Insomnia

1:27:43

with Vicky McClure, her big Paramount Plus show. That's

1:27:45

right. Yeah. And then

1:27:47

some other things. Some other things are

1:27:51

on as well. OK, good. There you go.

1:27:53

We like specifics on this podcast. So thank you

1:27:55

very much for joining us this week. Have you

1:27:57

enjoyed your Pilot TV debut? I have very much.

1:27:59

Thank you. having me. Mr. Keitling now. I'm not sure

1:28:01

I conveyed it but I do watch a lot of

1:28:04

TV so I'm happy to be talking about it. Yeah

1:28:06

didn't you come along to our first pilot live show?

1:28:09

Yes I did when I didn't work here before

1:28:11

then and it was your live show. And

1:28:13

we didn't have merch then so you couldn't buy merch.

1:28:15

No and it was in the smaller room at King's

1:28:18

Place. That's right it was. And it was you guys

1:28:20

and Terry and Russell Torvy. It was. Did you

1:28:22

get one of the computer

1:28:24

exchange films that I was throwing out to the audience

1:28:26

at the end of it? No I don't. Not films.

1:28:29

TV shows. What am I talking about? TV podcast. Have

1:28:31

you got no films? If Boyd was doing

1:28:33

it it would have been films but no for me it was it

1:28:35

was very much TV. It would have been seven on okay.

1:28:38

Not yet I was there. I was here from

1:28:40

the beginning guys long time listener. There you go.

1:28:42

First time appearance. First time Potter. Yeah. First

1:28:45

of many or so. Yeah. Good

1:28:47

times. Good times. All right well until next

1:28:50

week you pilot.