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Magazine In the Box Media Podcast network. I'm Kara

1:16

Swisher. And I don't know if

1:18

you know this well me care. but I'm actually

1:20

the son of Mexican Jews. My father used to

1:22

tell me we were the chosen ones. Get it.

1:24

Chosen ones. I don't like got the

1:26

is terribly wrong. They'll give you humor I

1:29

don't know those raw those are you money

1:31

it's and you ever get Roman funny I'm

1:33

going to to a joke that claridge admirably

1:35

agrarian than California. We are with my brother

1:37

who likes stupid jokes like you do and

1:39

the claire told the best job and a

1:41

day Where did the cookie say that the

1:44

doctor. I

1:46

give up by the can. I feel the Grammy. I.

1:48

Feel crummy? Get it? You're gonna lose

1:51

this game. Where. Are you Kara? I'm

1:53

in San Francisco? Oh, that's are. You seem tired

1:55

and irritable. Even more so, I'm. Not irritable.

1:57

and it's seven in the morning here. I

1:59

target. Fade: Why are you in San Francisco?

2:01

I was here to get another lifetime achievement award.

2:04

Know Jesus Christ. I literally

2:06

to serve in my mouth and lay down their

2:08

lifetime achievement award for here. And legacy achievement.

2:10

This land and legacy code for

2:12

a mare? Not at all. I. Know

2:14

that is getting weird. I have another one

2:17

next week here. Celts. it's closer America. Which

2:19

is a really great group as a lot of people who work.

2:21

In a public sector for government and his

2:23

knowledge as he listed on don't like cash

2:25

and and wanna make the world a better

2:27

place of as a very pleasant place to

2:29

be. And then there

2:31

is a big lady Says party which you

2:33

were not invited to. Censor Day at a

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Langley and Jackie resists. Do it every year

2:38

and it's all the power ladies assault. On

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down at a time of year where one

2:42

of us he i thought about it and

2:44

then I thought to amazon better of us

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yeah other line mom and landscape them for

2:48

a lot of cigarettes. Other thing that so

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than han hi. This is what people did. This is

2:53

that This is their new. Thing now is her. Scots?

2:55

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2:57

yeah. Retire or yeah I

2:59

are all shake the had

3:02

Yeah. We're left.

3:04

With. The they'd like you've done They Then they go

3:06

on to say that I don't understand it but

3:08

I like him. I don't understand. Why are likes

3:10

mean it's quite handsome and you suddenly up with

3:12

him help. Chris. Wallace I was on

3:15

our analysis, it on. More him good and

3:17

by that works out to he's a good. Interviewer.

3:19

Is very good to set people up for

3:22

success. And also he's interested. He's easily

3:24

as at the is a very that and

3:26

and he likes. Had a great time here

3:28

was it's just Swisher up in Inverness which

3:30

you are while invited to. His dogs are

3:33

sweatshirts and I met.and Lama in there was

3:35

an essayist we we are there things ss

3:37

We had brunch with Alice. Premier

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Joan Didion sees. His

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big cheese steak seasoning the or in that

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are operating struck since he's written tons and

3:52

tons of books that bird by burn about

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3:56

I was of severity B S weekend. That.

3:58

The ladies' asses. This really know anyone

4:01

that like to get to today including

4:03

open a eyes new model and safety

4:05

measures will say plus moment of French

4:07

Gates makes a major assailants Rafik move.

4:09

But first down some say in such

4:11

money trail is now in the hands

4:13

of the jury. As of this recording

4:16

the jury is still deliberating. They started

4:18

on Wednesday afternoon. they might have a

4:20

decision by the time this post. If

4:23

I turned the sound guilty on any

4:25

of the thirty four felony counts, a

4:27

judge will decide whether to send them

4:29

to prison time or probation. Any thoughts:

4:31

Or. I'm so conflicted. amazon I have such

4:33

animosity towards the person I've been. Such a

4:35

threat to Democracy is around the world and

4:37

generally speaking of and is a does not

4:40

a good person or him to some trouble

4:42

have to actively. Evaluating and in

4:44

us. I also think this was a

4:46

this case was a mistake I minutes

4:48

in. If you look at the poll

4:50

numbers I would argue that his popularity

4:52

is actually gone up because of this

4:54

case. about some people say was convicted

4:56

they won't vote for him but I

4:58

just I think this is giving too

5:00

much credibility to the whole deep state

5:02

democratic prosecutors going after my and also

5:04

I'm just incredibly pissed off in Merrick

5:06

Garland that had been didn't bring these

5:08

cases sooner. He. Up the heat? Well, they

5:11

didn't wanna go against the same president. They wanted to

5:13

make that rule right. That was the whole thing. Or

5:15

your but he been an office for three and a half

5:17

years. Yeah, but by then I don't

5:19

know. I guess this is already in the works in

5:21

this and I agree it is it really us and

5:24

problematic case at the same time see us as a

5:26

monster. Seal the whole say go for the

5:28

most of your seventies use but I

5:30

think that clinical the general voting public

5:32

sees it as okay they're going out

5:34

into says the guy was. Freedom

5:36

of the porn star. By. Was newborn

5:39

baby was an arm but the you know.

5:42

That as Bill Maher said, people sort of expect that

5:44

from him. Yeah. And that the

5:46

does feel. Would you

5:49

do this or not? Adding to perception is

5:51

this is selective prosecution because there's a lot

5:53

of people who have sex outside their merits

5:55

of have them mistress and to get legally

5:57

entangled in that. If you are going students

6:00

across every politician or billion or that's done

6:02

this, you're going to need more call. You're

6:04

not, You're doing it's to present others, some

6:06

doing it. I think that's settled. Lasted a

6:08

lot of prosecution is as soon as I

6:11

said no amp Yeah I like a is

6:13

The reality is and I don't think the

6:15

democrats in the media are being fully honest

6:17

with themselves. Isn't The last few months have

6:19

been terrible for Biden and great for Trump

6:22

and we look what has happened in the

6:24

polls and everybody says the polls don't matter

6:26

but typically with more consistent as the polls

6:28

have a bias towards Biden. Because there's a

6:31

lot a closeted Trump voters. but the

6:33

numbers just look awful right now that

6:35

the. Times or at once had a saying.

6:37

actually, it's closer than you think, it's our hands.

6:39

Yeah, they did that. You know that. The truth.

6:41

It's really quite astonishing on the other n which

6:43

is quite unfair to the prosecutors is that sense

6:46

tan and has since either incompetent or in the

6:48

tank for. Trump services. The nuclear secrets

6:50

yes, the new place data supposedly

6:52

legally the tightest taste against him.

6:55

Yes exactly. And that's see, slow rolling the

6:57

whole thing or and and acting like doesn't

7:00

know what it court the mists in a

7:02

series that incompetent. Or sign

7:04

it's perplexing rulings and. I'll save

7:06

her down south south adding it evens

7:09

out and and that when it's a

7:11

very serious case and Japan the I

7:13

they also be election when he asked

7:15

to find a few votes and it's

7:17

there with a plan across the country

7:19

to try to senate the election and

7:22

that's where the leak illegality is is

7:24

it's not the Steelers are sailing elections

7:26

I didn't have probably seen and celtics

7:28

but meanwhile unease thinking it's thirty presidents

7:30

and he and Elon Musk and discuss

7:33

the passport by cerebral from Muskets. Trump

7:35

wins the reelection. According to the lawsuit,

7:37

Turn On. The New York Times also

7:39

had a piece on this a little

7:41

bit before that's a minute. Something Kara

7:43

Swisher said months ago on that Jen

7:45

Psaki said that they're gonna be standing

7:47

glove working together and the two men

7:49

have reportedly talked about ways to give

7:51

my skin, put an influence over policies,

7:53

tie to border and the economy. I

7:55

cannot border lists, Yeah, right. Admit to

7:57

see where the cowboy hat down at the boris. Nelson

8:00

Pallets also told Trump about an influence.

8:02

Campaigns in that mask and it's allies

8:05

are holding gatherings to convince business leaders

8:07

not sport. Guidance is actually an advance

8:09

here. Investors status access to my only

8:12

have the tier Daves sex is very

8:14

closely allied with Mosques are happening. Be

8:16

hosting a fundraiser for Trump very soon

8:18

next week I think And here in

8:21

Silicon Valley which is a big shift

8:23

for much does he was He was

8:25

as to have been a supporters Obama

8:28

force and me. Hit. It really

8:30

expressed incredible distaste for Donald

8:32

Trump. Many, many. Many times to

8:34

my falling off the t another person you

8:36

and I both now Mr. Spat on items

8:39

because I don't know I'm I've never met

8:41

the up. well it's it's it's I know

8:43

of him. It's a minute How sweet. described

8:45

the specs. Efforts and Mr Help

8:47

a T very. Self interested blurred

8:49

Bruce parent companies with this new vehicle

8:51

call the Spot is allowed to do

8:54

it. He guarded was smart to do

8:56

it. Made a ton of money since

8:58

then, but I would argue that some

9:00

Os Kathy Words and Adam Newman and

9:02

the Psu people who have made more

9:04

money losing other people's money Gail and

9:06

he didn't do anything wrong. He was

9:09

smart to tap into this way. but

9:11

some of the companies that the Se

9:13

Si lead go public to dispatch weather

9:15

was open door. There was a one

9:17

the claimed to. Help kids with a

9:19

D H D M video games. yeah I

9:22

mean investors loss ninety five percent of their

9:24

money and what he did was he was

9:26

the manga the maker gets paid. Either way

9:28

he didn't do anything wrong bird you know,

9:31

pulled on your wallet. If there's a another

9:33

spark ma'am and sir Moscow's up because would

9:35

see him be seated, was platform him and

9:37

lads and essentially let him market the shit

9:40

out of his the idea that is as

9:42

as in say the hand waiver of them

9:44

and the know what? He's very compelling, his

9:47

very articulate, he makes very strong. Arguments,

9:49

it's easy to believe him. And then

9:51

there was such follow in such a

9:53

so much pent up demand that exceeded

9:55

the supply of quote unquote institutional great

9:57

companies that he tapped into that he.

10:00

Fill that void with this new spec mechanism

10:02

to bring companies public and and Cnbc would

10:04

let him on every day to talk about.

10:07

Why? This company that's buying homes

10:09

with an algorithm. Without. Be

10:11

the next big thing and real of the

10:13

newer and people believed him. And

10:15

that's fine, but he got paid either way.

10:18

Yeah and I imagine his. I imagine

10:20

I don't know how much stock he held

10:22

onto and and David David built a

10:24

nice brand for himself and conservative politics with

10:26

the same it is this has are

10:28

allowed to do this good for them. I

10:31

think political discourse and engagement even on

10:33

no that's fine. What is stranger very disappointing

10:35

for me is that I think where

10:37

the By campaign is really screwed up and

10:39

I think this is our opportunity. Somebody

10:41

the White House needs support together a list

10:43

of about a thousand or two. Thousand

10:46

powerful, articulate, well resourced, committed surrogates

10:48

like right now Robert De Niro

10:50

the greats surrogate for Biden. There

10:53

are thousands of people ready. They're

10:55

like put me in coats, isn't

10:57

you know? I want to go

11:00

talk about the economy. I want

11:02

to talk about what he has

11:04

done for women. I want to

11:07

talk about. The Infrastructure Act.

11:10

Is there's a lotta good data here

11:12

and he is not weaponized and of

11:14

surrogates? Yeah and any to be much

11:16

more. but they need to have someone

11:18

out there every day on every channel

11:20

talking about Los Inflation. The G Seven

11:22

Yes! I also have done growth. It

11:25

sent. you know like seat good It yet

11:27

oddly enough I ran into his has than

11:29

at the airport there. he's gonna be on

11:31

around talking a lot about the incessant for

11:34

Dell for example, if this has in the

11:36

Southern because they need to talk about their

11:38

successfully Absolutely It's one of the things in

11:40

out with in some awesome every time I'd

11:43

had a meeting the to Mars he unless

11:45

hand wavy character and everything he promises never.

11:47

Athens right isn't as and I remember Ice

11:50

I have so many things meetings of them

11:52

were he sent. This is gonna change everything.

11:54

In Venture capital is broken and I'm to stick

11:56

it out a way that I just I can

11:58

be met with Dad. The that these

12:00

meetings and it just none of them

12:03

came to pass thing but I have

12:05

to say a gifted bullshit artists a

12:07

guest in bullshit artists and without any

12:10

care and always making a killing for

12:12

itself. always every single. Fucking Times

12:14

and Sacks of System though so

12:16

character as. Much.

12:20

As an adult, the has a bad influence

12:22

unless there's a group of people. Who.

12:24

Use politics and what I'll call

12:26

exaggerated wealth to present themselves to

12:28

the world. The off. And then there's

12:31

another group that advocates politically involved

12:33

political donors who are really interested in

12:35

the issue. Meet Hoffman would be

12:37

that. You Stole my

12:39

Thunder. Reid Hoffman doesn't need to go on

12:41

Johnny Carson. She's not doing it to present

12:44

himself to the world and raise his Q

12:46

ratings. He's doing it because of losing these

12:48

issues and behind the scenes. that guy's powerful

12:50

scissors. And then there's a group of people

12:53

who pretend to be wealthier than they are.

12:55

Want. The headline want and the and unfortunately

12:57

our economy it works. Were talking about a

13:00

mysterious back a little bit to Trump talking

13:02

about mosques Trump has figured out. I need

13:04

to be in the new cycle every forty

13:06

eight hours so I'm going to threaten. To.

13:09

Make Aaron Rodgers vice President or I'm

13:11

gonna do but every forty eight hours

13:13

with. His divine campaign is probably

13:15

already thinking or got a list of five

13:17

hundred people who would be great ambassadors, deputy

13:19

undersecretary but they don't put it out at

13:22

a press release everyday hoping to dominate the

13:24

news cycle. Young kids have thought they're considering

13:26

mass for a Raul who care of find

13:28

you're allowed to do that's you could argue

13:31

that musk would be a good advice around

13:33

tax issues. A delicious no denying his achievements

13:35

in as inside the border of the reason

13:37

they put border in there as they knew

13:40

would inflame people like you and me, we

13:42

would talk about it. Wanted A.last

13:44

things I'll same recent one is and

13:46

if Biden wins Musk is in for

13:49

a world of hurt because to say

13:51

sex blink public and they will investigate

13:53

national security is is is also it's

13:55

a swirl around Tesla and that statements

13:58

companies need around Ssd. The

14:00

most driving. And they're gonna be looking

14:02

at him with a fine tooth

14:04

comb. Under Trump he gets his

14:06

thinking of as of selective prosecution

14:08

under Bidens. He will get scrutiny under

14:10

Trump's you will get a pass So there

14:12

we have it. That's that's why I got

14:14

a good system. Calls I from sides product

14:16

of a year for me and I'm proud

14:19

of Severe the Starlight. Yeah,

14:21

product the opposite product. the year cyberattacks

14:23

about our was it on. I was

14:25

on July and I had one of

14:27

those moments losers. I was firing up

14:29

from Miami and the power goes look

14:31

over the laughed and that was I

14:33

saw rocker gone up and was own

14:35

in a Spacex rocket scissors and and

14:37

then he said oh by the way

14:39

we have Starlight on board for them

14:41

Starlight and my son called me on

14:43

face time even it was crystal clear.

14:45

The engine literally is amazing technology. And he

14:47

got we had. He's gonna have competition that that's

14:49

the issue as his his his first efforts out

14:52

the gate will see as the planes are clever

14:54

with by supplying years and tests on others earth's

14:56

by to absolutely. No question, let's get him credit for

14:58

that. But then, Send. The set a

15:00

trap and other things and loathsome comments. Anyway,

15:03

let's move on the Us court of Appeal

15:05

as it's tax band case or September. That's

15:07

a good thing that if this has to

15:09

be dealt with as we learn about an

15:12

interesting deal that Tic Tac offered to the

15:14

by the ministration and twenty twenty two tickets

15:16

proposed having several officials take his Us board

15:18

of Directors and paying Us company the Monitor

15:21

source code. According to the Washington Post, this

15:23

is something that had been in talks with

15:25

before by the whites can also offer to

15:27

give us officials a kill switch that. Would

15:30

shut it down the app and the U S of they

15:32

felt that was a threat. Although a strange. Thing and

15:34

thing I do. That's didn't abide administration and

15:36

the projecting to tax proposal. A senior

15:38

official told the post that the deal

15:40

would have been insufficient to address that

15:43

serious national security risk presented see in

15:45

hand waving. I think that's the case

15:47

that. The ticked off her hair. It's

15:49

sort of a signal. He says protection. Would

15:52

be my assessment and on Always. And

15:54

of this is by dances Pr

15:56

comes to him leaking information yeah

15:58

collectively to the press trying to

16:00

the position or make the case

16:02

against the government's case Or this

16:04

is something I'm more confident and

16:06

adding it's we're closer to the

16:08

decision here. It's. An. Innkeeper. just

16:11

gonna start as a learned market Will

16:13

let me get this. they don't allow

16:15

any media companies and China Why had

16:17

a company that so big now com

16:19

that a yes Why has this company

16:21

that is so big not gone public

16:23

as it because they have another object

16:25

of here once you know the in

16:27

If we're gonna start learning about instances

16:29

where they were following are tracking the

16:31

private information and whereabouts of a journalist

16:33

at Forbes a man who hit with

16:35

were gonna find out that it would

16:37

be almost impossible to monitor their influence

16:39

on the algorithm. Were gonna start saying

16:42

that any time there's a disproportionate number

16:44

video served in one direction relative to

16:46

public opinion. I have to do is

16:48

ask yourself what would the Ccp want

16:50

and that's what the ratio as. The

16:53

White House is smart. They're going to

16:55

start leaking their own information and again,

16:57

whatever. What's sad is that. When

17:00

you have a bilateral direct negotiations which you

17:02

can do between by dance last the Ccp

17:04

in the White House, they'll come to some

17:07

sort of accommodation as we get closer to

17:09

the case. Yes they well this isn't

17:11

this was a speaking if it's a him

17:13

lady day to day it until it's and

17:15

just for for Lenny in attribution Emily date

17:17

or white and will simply that on the

17:19

sale at the recall around a lot of

17:21

the details and this titans offer and outs

17:24

of that in quotes and anyway cigarette reporter

17:26

and deserves credit said he said replacing this

17:28

that one they were tracking I think at

17:30

least and as he did a lot of

17:32

this reporting that you know I think and

17:34

lazy is a very that might say it

17:36

every once they've been announced him often tic

17:38

toc together waiting their hands. Of people,

17:40

jazz hands everywhere and okay, let's

17:43

get to our first date story.

17:49

Is. Then another dizzy week for open A I.

17:51

The company announced it as a new model in

17:53

the works to succeed at Gp T for that

17:55

will take the the technology to a whole new

17:57

level. See the buildings again, it's magical. The military.

18:00

The Arts. The Open in A

18:02

gotta get ahead in their work in the

18:04

their work in every last minute to do

18:06

so or the open A board is also

18:08

for many safety and security committee to value

18:10

eight and further develop processes and safeguards. It's

18:12

all internal people. Wait, There's more of an

18:14

As also just announced licensing and product partnerships

18:17

with The Atlantic and Vox Media. That's the

18:19

most interesting thing for us, you know? I

18:21

think let me just say that making all

18:23

these announcers as I'm trying desperately not to

18:25

be Netscape and stay ahead and be at

18:27

the forefront of this, It's the smart thing

18:29

to do as a startup. Given all their

18:32

competitors and so that they're trying to

18:34

look like Jesus is coming days look

18:36

busy, China South anyway or wherever there

18:38

there minding their own seeking to the

18:41

foxes I guess I don't know what

18:43

to say. The Super Alignment team that

18:45

focused on Safety was disbanded a few

18:47

weeks ago. The new committee of the

18:50

Last they said by Sam Altman as

18:52

well as and Boards Your Breath Taylor

18:54

and to other board members defined as

18:56

a woman and dance hello from. Tried.

18:59

To oust, Sam is on it

19:01

too, and and Nicole sets as

19:04

Seligman anyway. I don't know. I don't

19:06

know. see should be on the committee. Sam

19:08

Altman probably shouldn't. I had this discussion it

19:10

I'm a talker German, you know whenever you

19:12

go to. Represents. Who Are

19:14

group of people? Corporation someone and Everly talks

19:16

about sounds up and says this is how.

19:20

You. Know Laurie, I was going to change the

19:22

world by making women feel better about themselves

19:24

and a role in society and I jotted

19:26

are going to want to be good people,

19:28

your good citizens But I worry that a

19:30

lot of the Csr is the nothing but

19:32

a Mr out the gives to the populace

19:35

some sort of believes that oh this new

19:37

generation of leaders are more socially conscious and

19:39

what I find as it's mostly a Mr

19:41

out to avoid regulation and I think we

19:43

can continue to fall for it. About a

19:45

year ago everyone was talking about Sam Altman

19:47

being a new type of leader. And

19:50

that we didn't need to be as worried because

19:52

it was all these thoughtful people with their hushed

19:54

tones talking about the dangers of Ai. And it's

19:56

like, okay folks at it. Trust me on this

19:58

one, they're going to do. Ever makes

20:00

their shareholders wealthier and is trust

20:03

and safety committees. The trust and

20:05

safety committee said reside in D

20:07

C. And it should have

20:09

real authority and ability to pass laws

20:11

and thoughtful regulations such that yeah, have

20:13

your own trust and safety committee. but

20:15

we're not going and trust the trust

20:17

and safety of our populace to You

20:20

Can we keep getting fooled again? The

20:22

As: because you paint an ipod bread

20:24

doesn't mean this company is doesn't need

20:26

to be regulated. Yeah. That.

20:28

We agree. I mean I did know he added

20:30

that of Stick and he's made lots of friends

20:32

in Washington and I like him. As I said

20:34

many times that is just as a grasses and

20:37

wanting to keep his company on. South as

20:39

every other sir her since.

20:41

It's We're he really doesn't Gender

20:43

Alliance. Both hatred and.

20:46

Not. As much love that really tipo

20:48

focus everything on him which is assigned

20:50

isi on the face of a I

20:52

t house. That's true, I guess it's a

20:55

really interesting phenomenon that they just did that

20:57

the like I've had people say if he

20:59

doesn't get stopped he's gonna kill humanity and

21:01

enlightened com or not the rest of them

21:03

like it's we're and I just you know

21:05

I say it really interesting and and people

21:07

are widely us and that defy like him

21:10

I then I do this is the way

21:12

it is and I agree his buddies it

21:14

I always preface they saying this is an

21:16

aggressive very. Crafty entrepreneurs actually didn't

21:18

want all in itself into a

21:20

key part of town Little. Else interest

21:22

of the complaints and let let let what

21:24

do you think it's avast thing the vasil

21:26

to seen a were not included I. Say

21:29

didn't worse aren't sec bomb ass get back

21:31

off on the phone were not and for

21:33

the daddy needs new series like did. What

21:35

have we say last week what was our

21:38

production that you are going to see a

21:40

new high margin revenue stream for some smaller

21:42

company has seen in Meal or Deal. Sue

21:45

or feel that that's right. where been interesting

21:47

is to see if this is the beginning

21:49

of a bidding war at the takes these

21:51

prices up or if half of these l

21:54

a lamb's are going to do is crawl

21:56

this data and then event their own L.

21:58

M. Said produce new sim. Com center console

22:00

yeah twins and they no longer need this guy

22:03

that size so I don't I am in my

22:05

mind is sort of goes into this weird rabbit

22:07

hole the what happens when you can say. I

22:10

mean Alexis and say the front end

22:12

of for Anthropic size Amazon's ai is

22:15

basically the brand ad for whether Amazon

22:17

gets a i are not sit the

22:19

what happens when I say and I

22:21

do think it's going to head to

22:23

Voice when I say okay alexa or

22:25

two or Syria or whoever does or

22:28

chatty be t which will have a

22:30

voice front end. I would like today's

22:32

business news in the voice of Dave

22:34

Chappelle but his ear organize for a

22:36

podcast. With. A focus on these

22:39

three, sir. I mean, you're gonna be able

22:41

to probably manicure something to the extent. That.

22:44

You won't need to go directly to the

22:46

media company and and even scarier thing is

22:48

is a I can be able to mimic

22:51

their contents. Fact that you don't even need

22:53

to get interested is licensing agreements or is

22:55

it still the petroleum and the fossil fuel

22:58

added a ground that they will always need

23:00

in the price for New York Times content

23:02

will go up and up and up. I

23:04

can't figure it out yet. they're holding out

23:07

like. I think this this idea here either going

23:09

to sign a and a ceiling and it involves

23:11

at yeah I think that ceiling is really isn't

23:13

a delicacy in fact that this agni it's just

23:15

a you know folks that many or stuff is

23:17

not included in the steel. I would say

23:20

that and will not say how I know that

23:22

it's nights I also own my own south they

23:24

cannot sell it to open a i might on

23:26

staff and so the U. S

23:28

a gala correctly Lonelier pounds ruff

23:30

to right and you. Didn't make any deal,

23:32

neither has made a deal. so our stuff is not in

23:34

here. For day on, Pivot right? so.

23:36

They could do visit and when that isn't with that

23:38

might with worth it's like. A. Lot of lot of

23:41

penis jokes up next week. I'm sad to be

23:43

different. We know on are the only now know

23:45

as go live. In value is that were

23:47

so a seminal the teen assume that's where

23:49

the money's to be mates. Samara. I love

23:52

it when you talk dirty to to learn that

23:54

from whatever name is Joan Didion or whatever your

23:56

previous we'd oh my god and sending you her

23:58

bucks. It's amazing stuff. Many books, On

24:00

the other thing or you're right on. the

24:02

last evening meal is my jam starts. Athena

24:05

Silk idea I'm sorry but we own our

24:07

stuff which is close to. Keep in mind

24:09

everything on Instagram everything on you too late

24:11

and crawl it without your permission that you

24:13

put up there your tweets you give away

24:16

the rights, issue it when you put it

24:18

up there by posting at their it's there's

24:20

and so your stuff is our everybody are

24:22

you stuff is going up and on of

24:25

it's worth anything but more. Seats are but

24:27

good luck the box. Good luck for getting

24:29

like sixty. Three dollars. That which is great.

24:31

All of you Atlanta digital you'd another terms of

24:33

a deal. No. I didn't look one of

24:35

them. The News Corp one was what two

24:38

hundred and sixty million is probably be in

24:40

the tenth. Visited revenue streams of these companies

24:42

like Atlantic and then could use the extra

24:44

ten million or twenty million or whatever it's

24:46

Were also hearing a lot about some of

24:48

the events that led up to Sam Altman

24:51

out last year and it's entered the was

24:53

interesting. She finally spoke. It's former Open A

24:55

I board member, Helen Telenor was on the

24:57

Ted A I Shall podcasts this week and

24:59

it revealed how the board first learned about

25:01

Sad Cbc among other things. Less, listen. When.

25:04

Chesapeake. he came out November twenty twenty

25:06

two. The board was not informed. In

25:08

advance about that, we learned about Tragedy

25:10

T on Twitter. To

25:12

Sam didn't inform the board that

25:14

he owns the Open A I

25:16

Start Up funds even though he

25:18

constantly was claiming to be an

25:20

independent board member with no financial

25:22

interest in the company. On multiple

25:24

occasions, he gave us inaccurate information

25:26

about the small number of formal

25:28

safety processes that the company did

25:30

happen place, meaning that it was

25:32

basically impossible for the board to

25:34

know how well those safety process

25:36

were working or what may need

25:38

to change. On a current

25:40

board chair Brett Taylor I note in a

25:43

statement independent review Sam Sirens and said the

25:45

board's decision was our face and concerns of

25:47

her safety, security or finances. So it you

25:49

know boards. I don't know what to say.

25:51

it's and boards are never informed of a

25:54

lotta things And I guess this is the

25:56

dirty little secret that she's revealing is. That.

25:58

Boards typically don't know what's going on. The Ceos

26:00

manipulate them or must continually whether you like

26:02

them or not. Letting third, a

26:04

statement at the time that he was not

26:07

solely on as to censor they had some

26:09

weird term that they never explain themselves and

26:11

here she's explain yourself I guests thoughts. I.

26:14

Don't notice but I'm gonna make a fee

26:16

for service. Has answered on a lot of

26:18

boards because the women's work as the following:

26:20

There's the board and then there's the real

26:22

board. And the real board consists of usually

26:24

one person who is established a lot of

26:26

credibility for whatever reason on the board and

26:28

the person is the largest shareholder. And

26:31

essentially everybody talks about it, makes decisions

26:33

over on important issues or the daily

26:35

administration of corporate governance. and then when

26:37

it comes to big issues like firing

26:39

the Ceo or isn't when to sell

26:41

the company. It. Basically comes down to

26:43

one or two voices and everyone just kind

26:46

of says they're peace and and looks at

26:48

people to decide. Yeah, I call it that.

26:50

the board meeting that happens in the parking

26:52

lot where the largest shareholders and the persons

26:54

who cares most gravitas in the board get

26:56

together and decide what they're gonna do. And

26:58

dad voice was Microsoft and still is. An.

27:01

For her to be upset and offended and

27:03

not recognizing that she didn't understand power as

27:05

relates a corporate governance means she has every

27:07

right to be ending and and she's going

27:10

on a revenge to a right now. Good

27:12

for her. It sucks to be a grown

27:14

up and this is how boards play out.

27:16

Did she did not understand the dynamics of

27:18

Powers relates to corporate governance and the largest

27:20

shareholder in the personal All the power does

27:23

not even in the boardroom. I am on

27:25

a board right now is it? And I?

27:27

I got sick of having to board meetings

27:29

and because the largest investor had a representative.

27:31

On the board and the number that was

27:33

a big decision his represented. Would go back

27:35

to this very large investor and get the

27:38

real decision. Yeah, you need to come on

27:40

the board is this is a fucking waste

27:42

of all of our time nightline posts man

27:44

here and to their credit this is a

27:46

tier one B C from Desert Sign and

27:48

they put the managing partner of that B

27:50

C aunts and now the board meetings are

27:52

much more productive. But here's the bottom line

27:54

when you're on the board and me, Bread

27:57

Taylor has now at a ton of credibility.

27:59

At the end. Day somebody is calling

28:01

Sacha on big decisions and sang, are

28:03

you down with this Because be clear

28:05

folks, power is a function unless it's

28:07

a joke. Last year old accompany of

28:09

ownership and that's capitalism and she's going

28:11

on what I call a revenge tour

28:13

which is really like I don't understand

28:16

Power Yeah, I would agree. I was.

28:18

Said and lights that the net it what

28:20

was it was consistently honest. What was the

28:22

expectancy is that with some success in a

28:24

is that they never and was signed it

28:26

or something and it candid right you wouldn't

28:28

We're worried that is that's not the right

28:30

where decline is. This is a centralized to

28:32

assess what they said us and as was

28:34

I wish they had sets and but siding

28:36

with different here and and I will make

28:38

Helen Toner case where as as she thought

28:40

it was a different company then it became

28:42

once the money was clear rights and adding

28:44

she thought it was for the good of

28:46

humanity see that there. Isn't

28:48

one on academics in these areas of safety

28:51

and this is the her concerns say states

28:53

they're smart woman and I think she thought

28:55

it was a different company. And

28:57

the rest of us knew what company was

28:59

which was money to be message multi trillion

29:01

dollar opportunity in their the front of it

29:04

and you think we're going to sit around

29:06

and be dead people? I just because the

29:08

money likely know my first line of my

29:10

boss it was capitalism after all that in

29:12

every one of these case and sell and

29:14

I'm sorry and I appreciate. The are worrying

29:17

worried about say I have I share. Them

29:19

it's not the way all as you

29:21

do. I think a little of the

29:23

or overly dramatic on the topic by

29:25

it's it's is. This is how Boise

29:27

like exactly that. Scott said this when

29:29

it became clear this was a money

29:31

making opportunity. This company which started in

29:33

a very different formats became something else

29:35

and you were not seeing what was

29:37

happening. Same thing with Elon Musk going

29:39

on about safety in his concerns and

29:41

out corsi to three six billion dollars.

29:43

Give me a fucking break. You think

29:45

she cares about safety now. Nellie cares

29:47

about the money right? Are making a

29:49

woakes. Anti woke a I'd I'd let.

29:51

These guys are going to disappoint you every

29:53

time Helen to on earth. Or or

29:55

would it would I would throw on hazard. Than.

29:58

I didn't learn. those are big on. How.

30:00

Board since I was like thirty six and

30:02

ice to get the first ten years next

30:04

ten years on boards are a rare case.

30:06

we get our age when the border come

30:08

to a decision and it would end up

30:10

being overrun by the largest shareholder or him

30:13

him what happened. So I just want to

30:15

buy how and over for ice cream and

30:17

cigarettes making. Talk about all the injustice that

30:19

we've we've experienced on boards and will go

30:21

through millions of gallons of ice cream and

30:23

I'll bring pall malls because I dislike that

30:25

term Pomeranian Palmer, you've come a long way

30:27

baby away that surgeon a slams better way

30:29

than and. As he killed my mother

30:32

fab her I now so it

30:34

like a corporate governance If you're

30:36

looking for justice on camp table

30:38

or corporate governance the way to

30:40

justice is through ownership and also

30:42

they're usually as someone on the

30:44

board. Dead Men on the

30:46

New York Times where the was his gun and bob

30:48

down on He was a lawyer for and done I'm

30:50

done I'm He was a lawyer for Warren Buffett and

30:52

that he was on the border the are times and

30:54

he was just. So. Quiet had

30:56

such a great economy, words and every time

30:58

and say something. Getting like to says crisis

31:00

due to smarts? yeah he had. He had

31:02

the ability to push back on Jan into

31:04

is nothing but a foil for the Salzburg

31:06

years who control the company isn't and it

31:08

we've been very hard for them to steamroll

31:11

him because the borderline to a just would

31:13

have been ugly on. And yeah there's usually

31:15

one of those on every board. but for

31:17

the last part the boarded a place like

31:19

this is an advisory board. They're there to

31:21

have all the bullshit work, approve options, packages.

31:23

but when shit gets real. It's

31:25

such a his can make the decisions here. in

31:27

concert with Sam Altman Yeah, because of the money

31:29

I recite I can and I left. I

31:31

respect sir as I really do and

31:34

I think it's it's laudable by to

31:36

be shots at gambling going on in

31:38

this place is this sort. Of like

31:40

for which he should do is trying to

31:42

figure out a way to to get on

31:44

the A I Trust and Safety team in

31:46

D C. Yeah and past like regulation. That's

31:49

right, I think she probably less anxious she's

31:51

and. She's into seats in any case, Alan

31:53

I'm sorry that this happened to him but

31:55

we know lesser surprised and add this is

31:57

a for profit Anthony and I know it

31:59

was. The definitely that that's what it is

32:01

now sells come over to my place and

32:04

part of everybody changes so we can talk

32:06

about how horrible men are he can raid

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32:10

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32:13

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32:15

was didn't do any was interesting

32:17

as an interesting little data points

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are doubtless gonna clean break and

32:21

come back. We'll talk about Melinda

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35:37

chapter in Philanthropy this week As you

35:39

can believe that Bill and Melinda Gates

35:41

Foundation she plans to donate one billion

35:43

dollars globally over the next two years

35:45

to helps that women and families as

35:47

well as and productive rights in the

35:50

U S a portion the money will

35:52

also be distributed in the form of

35:54

a twenty Nine Dollar Grants Individuals like

35:56

former New Zealand Prime minister is into

35:58

our day and and Director Ava Duvernay

36:00

at ease at their discretion. I think

36:02

moment it was a of as a

36:04

thunder of her recent film for example

36:06

and there's a whole bunch of the

36:08

nineties. She's given all this these grants

36:10

to really terrific groups and it's a

36:12

fascinating move. Between her and Mackenzie Scott

36:14

we have entered a very interesting era

36:16

of philanthropy. And they can see Scottish

36:18

you know is to be married to

36:21

your faces. Donated six hundred and forty

36:23

million dollars over three hundred nonprofits A

36:25

few months ago she donated two point

36:27

two billion dollars. Last year she is

36:29

burning up the. Getting rid of her

36:31

money often played as if it's like

36:33

love us in This is really interesting

36:35

and these two women and then the

36:37

rain towel job as making media investments.

36:40

She has her own Emerson Collective that

36:42

does those philanthropy and investments. What do

36:44

you think about. This part of wonderful or

36:46

I'm I'd say armor sexist. I think there

36:48

are certain behaviors that are more prone to

36:50

people born as were born as man. I'm

36:52

one of the things I notice about. Philanthropy.

36:55

From women is are not as big

36:57

on the ribbon cutting and believing that

36:59

they should have input an influence in

37:01

education as a give and of fifty

37:03

million dollars to the North School district

37:05

not recognizing that on or fucking thing

37:07

about public school education I find a

37:09

generally speaking when women give money away,

37:11

they ask for lesson return and they're

37:13

more promiscuous don't I've got a shit

37:16

ton of money and makes no sense

37:18

to hoard wealth and I'm and start

37:20

pushing it and I'm gonna ask for

37:22

almost nothing in return. And I think

37:24

Mackenzie Scarred is an outstanding. American. I

37:26

mean look at, I'm here for Jeff

37:28

Bezos midlife crisis accent or watching it.

37:30

I can relate to do the while

37:33

He's building super yachts for three hundred

37:35

million dollars. You. know mackenzie

37:37

scarred is sending sending fifteen million dollars

37:39

for the jets foundation to work on

37:41

teen suicide and by the way she

37:43

doesn't demand anything she doesn't want to

37:45

show off she doesn't wanna name on

37:47

anything she just wants to get start

37:49

helping people i'm a glass half empty

37:51

kind of guy to lot about what's

37:53

wrong with america but here's reality despite

37:55

our house of representatives insulting each other's

37:57

lox despite the zombie apocalypse of useful

37:59

it It's on campuses. America

38:02

is singular around some really wonderful things. And

38:05

this is an American story. This is,

38:08

and I'm a big fan of Richard Reeves. He

38:10

kind of got highlighted to me or brought to

38:12

my attention some of the things going on with

38:14

the struggles a young man faced. The guys at

38:16

the Brookings Institute, he's an outstanding scholar. He

38:19

takes a risk, starts his own business. It's

38:21

a nonprofit, but it's a true nonprofit. He

38:23

doesn't answer to Microsoft, called the American Institute

38:26

for Boys and Men. He

38:28

takes a risk, he starts his thing just to produce research

38:30

around the struggles that young men are facing. And

38:33

then a woman named Melinda French Gates finds him

38:35

and gives him $20 million. And

38:38

you know something? This is a uniquely American

38:40

story. It does happen in other

38:42

parts of the world, but it doesn't happen as often

38:45

as it happens in America. So for all of the

38:47

shit posting and of all of the catastrophizing, of

38:49

all of the clickbait around everything that's wrong

38:52

with our nation, this is one of

38:54

the things that's right with it. It's

38:56

economic value and then good people want to push

38:58

it out to do good work. I just love

39:00

this story. I'm really happy for Richard. And

39:03

also Melinda French Gates has said

39:06

bodily autonomy and women's rights are hugely important. She's

39:08

passionate about it. It's wonderful. But at the same

39:10

time, she said, if we're

39:12

going to have a vibrant community,

39:14

who wants more economically and emotionally

39:16

viable young men? Women. Yeah,

39:19

that's right. And she's giving money

39:21

to an institute that's focused on boys. I

39:23

think she's wonderful. She's excellent. Go, Melinda

39:25

French Gates. Let me make a comparison we

39:27

just talked about. These sort

39:30

of childish men are doing their

39:32

stupid Trump fundraiser with

39:34

very little money that they're putting out to

39:36

get a lot of influence and doing no

39:39

good for humanity except for themselves. Except

39:41

for like self-aggrandizing themselves, both Chamath and

39:43

David Sachs. And also Elon Musk is

39:45

doing this, but doing nothing to help

39:48

all of society. They're just giving a

39:50

piddling amount of money to whorish politicians

39:52

in order to have influence. Meanwhile,

39:55

Melinda Gates and Mackenzie Bezos are

39:58

using money, real money. money, real

40:00

money, not little tiny multi-million dollar,

40:02

$5,000 donations to have dinner with

40:07

someone who has been found liable for rape.

40:09

No, they're not using their money for

40:11

that. They're giving away billions and billions

40:13

of dollars to laudable people across the

40:16

globe to make the world a better

40:18

place. What a fucking comparison. These

40:20

men are sad and dickless and these

40:22

women have balls as big as all

40:25

ever. That's all I'm saying. Dickless, Jesus

40:27

Christ. No, but they're doing this so they

40:29

can have a party in Silicon Valley for Trunks. It

40:32

drives me nuts that these people think they're important

40:34

when this is where the real ... If you

40:36

have money like this, this is what you should

40:38

do with it. Thank you. Well, again,

40:40

they're not presenting their money to issues.

40:42

They're using a small amount of money

40:44

to present themselves. That's correct. One

40:47

is vanity, one is philanthropy. But

40:49

I don't know if you knew this, but

40:51

my girlfriend often compared me to Bill Gates

40:53

when we would have sex because I'm microsoft.

40:56

Oh, my God. Gacula. He's

40:58

literally putting a penis joke in my head. That's good.

41:00

Well, how are they? You are angry this morning. You

41:02

are going after. You got to be careful in San

41:04

Francisco. There's a lot of these pretend

41:06

to care about the world, rich people running around there.

41:08

They don't care about the world. That's the thing. These

41:10

women do. Agreed. They're actually

41:13

putting their money where their mouth is.

41:15

By the way, are you hearing from

41:17

Mackenzie Scott? She just gives the money

41:19

and leaves in the dark of night.

41:21

Melinda French-Dates gave a few interviews talking

41:23

and she's giving to help reproductive rights.

41:26

And by the way, they're putting it

41:28

all over the place. It's not just

41:30

in like liberal causes. They're putting it

41:32

in places that matter for kids and

41:34

families. They're putting it to feed people.

41:36

They're putting it to... It's just like

41:38

the contrast is so vast. I'm not

41:40

mad. I'm like these terrible

41:43

men compared to these amazing women

41:45

is just such a great contrast

41:47

for me. By the way, FYI,

41:49

a lot of these people, one of the things

41:51

that the Gateses did start was the giving pledge

41:53

with Warren Buffett in 2010. Sam Altman And

41:56

his husband just announced that they plan to give away most

41:59

of their wealth. The Giving pledge. I've always

42:01

thought that was a cool thing. I don't

42:03

know either. Were other leaders? you know? Why

42:05

tell me why? I don't know. I I

42:07

it's it's a pledge to give away all

42:09

your wealth wilde. A big seldom do the

42:11

given platonic giving pledge says is that after I'm

42:13

dead visited somebody is going to get my money

42:16

away grade. You don't believe in dynastic wealth and

42:18

has absolutely no impact on you May be remiss.

42:20

Put it into a donor advice on we get

42:22

a tax deduction attenborough against and different that yeah,

42:24

but that's that's a component of the yeah no.

42:26

Say that your haired person because at some point

42:29

you're going to give your money away service and

42:31

I'm going to use. A lot of

42:33

her to signal. I know. I hit my number

42:35

seven years ago and I decided that above that

42:37

number. I'm giving everything away now because here's the

42:39

thing. This is a virus that ails America. Hoarding

42:43

money, Say. Other needs to

42:45

be a movement in America that once you

42:47

hit your number you to start giving it

42:49

away. Now you don't say I want credit

42:51

for being a great guy after I have

42:53

had all my bowling business, dad's after I

42:55

bought football teams, after I've had seven midlife

42:57

crises and then when I'm dead and and

42:59

no longer matters to me are give away

43:01

their and I know you. Have. Literally just

43:03

in that sunny. You are correct, I don't see

43:06

the street. It's ah,

43:08

Sas living with dogs. The world

43:10

allowed rotate god. You're right, You're

43:12

right that that's I love these

43:14

fat ass where they're giving it

43:17

away. literally billions, You know? What

43:19

the you know it? The goal is. My

43:21

goal is to give and I'll leave my kids

43:23

a little bit of money but this is the

43:25

goal to be at the end of your life

43:28

to spend the money on other people in experiences

43:30

and be surrounded died home. Be surrounded by people

43:32

are going to be really bomb that you're leaving

43:34

night and a bunch of press releases saying. Why?

43:37

The fuck are you worth one hundred billion

43:39

dollars in skyline? A start giving it away

43:41

some one hundred and your. Kids when it's the

43:43

number with sun and the in one leads. Glad

43:45

I'm This is the challenge.

43:49

And this is a good problem. but you want

43:51

to get enough money says they can do anything

43:53

but not enough money such that they can do

43:55

nothing s buy a house good money for ass,

43:57

that's a nice and earn money that close. don't

44:00

have access to until they're 25, 35, and 45. Money for education, money for

44:02

a home, but

44:06

not enough money such that they don't have to

44:08

work. Yeah. We're on the same parenting

44:10

thing. That's the thing. That's correct. Yeah.

44:12

That's exactly. But I've decided, and I

44:14

love it. I hit my number

44:17

seven years ago, and my number's probably a lot lower

44:19

than most of these guys. And I'm

44:21

like, anything above that? I'm going to either

44:23

spend it at the Hotel du Cap- Yes.

44:25

On me, by the way. On friends and

44:27

people I love, or I'm going to give

44:29

it away. There is no reason, once you're

44:31

above a certain number, to hoard wealth. Do

44:33

you realize what a virus hoarding is in

44:35

this nation? I have cream of you.

44:37

I was interesting because I'm doing some stuff

44:40

that I like at my house here in San

44:42

Francisco. And someone's like, it's a lot of money.

44:44

And the other day I was with, just

44:46

fantastic. There's a lot of tech lost up. And

44:49

we were talking about that, and I'm like, oh, it's a little

44:52

bit of money. And she looked at me, and she goes, you

44:54

can't live in stock. And

44:56

I was like, you're right. What she meaning

44:59

is I'm enjoying it now, right? And you

45:01

can apply the same thing to giving it

45:03

away too. Now is the time to do

45:05

it, not later, whether you want it. And

45:09

I repeated that to several people because I thought it

45:11

was a really smart, you can't live in stock, meaning

45:14

hoarding your stock. And I

45:18

was like, that made me, one, feel

45:20

better about spending the money. And the

45:22

same thing should apply to donations and

45:24

giving things away. It should happen in

45:27

the now. Scott. But it's not even

45:29

giving because I'm a big fan of Daniel Kahneman and

45:31

I went back and read some of his work when

45:33

he passed away. Let's

45:36

pick a number, $100 million. Of $100 million, if it grows 4% or

45:38

6% a

45:41

year, 4 to 6 million bucks a year,

45:43

gets you a beautiful home, a beautiful second

45:45

home, a FlexJet

45:47

card, do whatever you want with

45:50

whomever you want, pretty much all of the time.

45:52

You can just have an extraordinary life. The

45:54

difference between a hundred million and a billion, there's

45:56

no marginal increase in the quality of your life.

46:00

In fact, there'll be some inquiry. You can buy a football

46:02

team. You can have more influence

46:04

over politics, but there's also a downside. People start

46:06

taking pictures of your kids. People

46:08

start running stories about

46:11

you in TMZ. There is a downside. So

46:14

if there's no incremental gain in happiness,

46:16

and so many people would benefit from

46:18

the types of donations that Mackenzie Scott

46:21

and Melinda French Gates are making, why

46:23

on earth wouldn't you enjoy that happiness

46:26

and not hoard wealth? And help people. You

46:28

know what? That is a very good explanation.

46:31

I still think the others are shameful, and

46:33

these women are ballers.

46:36

That's my feeling. Good for them. The

46:38

word giving is overused, and they have earned

46:41

the right. They own the right to say

46:43

that they are giving. What these other folks

46:45

are doing is consumption. It's

46:47

PR. A lot of it's virtue. It's like,

46:49

I'm going to give all my money away after I'm dead. Who the fuck?

46:52

I don't care what happens to my money after I'm dead. That's

46:54

not doing anything. And also, let me

46:56

be a bit of a capitalist here. I

46:58

also think it's really wonderful and good for the

47:01

world to spend it. Spend

47:03

a shit ton of money. Put it back into the

47:05

economy. Enjoy it. The

47:08

world offers amazing things that you can spend money

47:10

on. I think it's great when people spend a

47:12

ton of money. I feel like this

47:14

should be your next book. Spend.

47:17

Spend, bitches. Spend. The

47:19

new novel. The new novel. From

47:21

the chosen one. See, this is why I

47:23

love this show. You have shifted my thoughts in a very good

47:25

way, in a very helpful way. Okay, Scott,

47:28

let's pivot to a listener question.

47:37

This question comes from an anonymous listener. Let's

47:39

hear what she has to say. Scott

47:41

and Cara, I have a quick

47:44

question for you. On a recent show,

47:47

you both expounded

47:49

on your distaste for Siri,

47:52

which was a shocker to me. As

47:54

an owner, it's kind of the only option I

47:56

have. Is there any other... tech

48:01

phenomenon that you

48:03

both eschew. Love the

48:05

show, love you both. Have

48:07

a great day. We don't like Siri

48:09

because it sucks. Anonymous listener who is probably

48:12

Melinda French Gates. Let me just tell

48:14

you, it sucks. It's

48:16

terrible and it's an embarrassment. It's Apple's

48:18

biggest embarrassment is Siri. Thank you. Apple Maps

48:20

is probably right up there. No, it's gotten

48:23

better. I've been using it. Uh-huh. Got

48:25

better. Make Siri better, Apple or

48:27

whatever, Sky, whatever the fuck you're

48:29

going to make with AI. Make it better. What

48:32

other technology do we not like? Oh,

48:35

there's a lot I don't like. Well, name

48:37

one. Well, Vision Pro for Scott, obviously. Okay.

48:39

That had that. By the way, when do

48:41

I get a victory lap that this thing

48:43

was fucking DOA? You take it all the

48:45

time. Okay. There's a bunch of

48:47

them. 3D printing. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That

48:50

was just ridiculously stupid. Agreed. Wearables

48:53

made no fucking sense. The only wearable is

48:55

your iPhone and the- I

48:58

would argue Apple Watch isn't a wearable. It's

49:00

the second screen for your iPhone. Oh,

49:02

okay. All right. The most overhyped technology in

49:04

the short term is AI. Agreed. It spawned

49:07

a $3 trillion increase in market cap

49:09

or 150 times revenue. It is overvalued. I'm

49:11

not saying it's not going to be amazing

49:13

for the world, important, so we shouldn't

49:15

have regulation, but right now it is overhyped.

49:18

The most underhyped technology, which is

49:20

what I'm more fond of talking about, is GLP-1. The

49:23

actual real economy, whether it's

49:25

kidney dialysis, hip replacement, alcoholism,

49:28

gambling addiction, going to

49:30

McDonald's twice a day instead of four times a day. I

49:33

think GLP-1 is already having more impact

49:35

on the real economy in terms of

49:37

actual consumer behavior and consumer spending. But

49:39

there's all this bullshit hand waving around

49:42

different types of technologies. Okay, hold on.

49:45

NFTs? Oh, my God. Are you going

49:47

to do them all? Do I get to do one? But go ahead. I'm

49:49

sorry. Go ahead. NFTs. Go ahead. Finish with your NFTs. Well, I

49:51

will finish. The first thing that Chris Wallace said to

49:53

me when I walked in, he's like, Scott, I

49:56

need to say this. I talked to Kara, And

49:59

I'm going to ask you a question. then

50:01

I need you to answer and then stop

50:03

talking. I've heard you give a lotta lectures

50:05

and I don't like I was in. Ah,

50:07

my sister's crises literally haunting me wherever I

50:09

go. As fast as he warned Chris Wallace

50:11

that I am too verbose and I said

50:13

i appreciate that, I'll I'll keep my answer

50:15

short term. Cares? Okay.

50:18

A Dead. End up keys

50:20

or it's okay am I have very few.

50:22

I like my i don't buy the things

50:24

I don't like outside. What I love this

50:26

I love my airplane Max's for example but

50:29

then item that as as soon as to

50:31

send me their new thing which is the

50:33

length of aced Gorgeous that I love those

50:35

over the ears things even though it seems

50:37

like an old technology I think they're wonderful.

50:39

It's one of my favorite. Things.

50:41

To use as technology at something I tell

50:43

a seal I used quite a bit and

50:45

I love it. And I buy it from people sitting. It's

50:48

a really good than harm us and trying

50:50

to es su. A gas. and I

50:52

don't know why I'm trying to think I thought the

50:54

auditing. Saunders. Soon as I love

50:56

sinners we're talking about is still write a

50:58

scooter. of course I do all the time

51:00

as and gross out urban blight that I

51:02

love scooters and I love City bikes and

51:04

New York City bikes. Ago I. Love. Them I

51:06

like him as I like all those things and

51:09

seventy something. I saw the Harry. Let me

51:11

give you one. my space tourism About oh

51:13

I guess Space tourists and plenty of yes,

51:15

I'll never do that. Never will I do

51:17

that work And no one is. No one

51:19

is doing space tourism beta by the way

51:21

than others back mother. Yeah exactly the three

51:24

I to come off as involved in that I

51:26

was. I was actually with them when they did

51:28

that. and at in New York at the A

51:30

static. Said i think this is our

51:32

members as he showed off the

51:34

uniforms and Richard Branson Missouri with

51:36

such bullshit there was nothing but

51:38

a transfer of wealth from retail

51:40

investors. is Rob Richard Branson Cruise

51:42

ships and travel empire which was

51:44

going bankrupt and during covered and

51:46

we called out early. That was

51:48

fucking oh by the works. Virgin

51:50

Galactic stock or turn didn't have

51:52

reached a high as. Much

51:55

overhead. Fifty six dollars Korea and node

51:57

Smart and Richard Branson she's causes agree.

51:59

Promoter. Marx. very articulate promoter

52:02

out today at eighty

52:04

seven cents Eighty seven

52:06

that size sense. Love dance

52:08

him as well. Dance. I assume certain

52:10

people like that that's what I sue

52:12

and then also the humane ten old

52:14

as a I sins and things like

52:16

that. or it's often around voices in

52:18

very disappointed by voice stuff that friends

52:21

say I hadn't caught in a way

52:23

that either same thing with the Amazon

52:25

Echo or the Google one that I

52:27

dig never delivered in terms of real

52:29

efficacy for me others like them, but

52:31

I do not. Disagree

52:34

for others that again there's months and

52:36

is he got a question. Your own

52:38

that you'd like answered send our way Good

52:40

And when mag.com/give it isn't a question of

52:42

his show, recall Eight Five Five Five one.

52:44

Get it spice. Got one more could vaguely

52:46

back for your prediction. Okay

52:56

scotch just strong. Lately I would say on

52:58

the predictions of due to know what are

53:00

our lord I wanna or when I just

53:02

want highlight a down there I think that

53:05

Melinda Front states and and on. Poses.

53:07

As a production and Mackenzie Scarred are

53:09

going to kick off a wave of

53:11

were really means to give. His.

53:13

Knowledge of running backs. you're pushing the

53:15

money out and I would like to

53:17

see. And I'm hoping that we began

53:19

to inspire that some people who have

53:21

been blessed, been born in America were

53:23

topic a very lucky had great alignment

53:26

with a spouse or partner, attracted really

53:28

talented people in have managed to create

53:30

such extraordinary wealth that they can live

53:32

a really nice really nice life. Say

53:34

do they were going to start I'm

53:36

hoping that were to start a movement

53:38

against hoarding. I just don't. It's not

53:40

going to make any happier. He treats

53:42

imbalance in terms power. There's just. No getting

53:44

around it when you have six people who

53:46

are worth more than the bottom half of

53:48

America. We've hit a breaking point here folks,

53:50

and it's I do think there's gonna be

53:52

a movement away from hoarding entered were going

53:54

to start saving people Were just going to

53:57

say why do you need to have more

53:59

than a billion. Dollars. What is it

54:01

gonna get you right? And I'd I

54:03

hold it into i'm sorry They're Yes,

54:05

I believe in private property, but our

54:08

subliminal, progressive tax structure. I do believe

54:10

taxes are gonna go up dramatically. Because

54:12

here's a saying: no one loses, No

54:15

one loses when you start taxing people.

54:17

about a billion dollars in wealth exists.

54:19

Now they could move. But.

54:22

The I hope that a get started

54:24

on a personal level where people say

54:26

you know and I'm good, I have

54:28

a few hundred million bucks, I'm good,

54:30

I'm good and I can I can

54:32

be happier by spending more money and

54:35

or given more money away some he

54:37

was in question. Doesn't think it's a

54:39

coincidence. It's easier when. Both.

54:41

Didn't I say that? Now that you think, why

54:43

do you think that is. I.

54:45

Think that will again. You're not a

54:48

success when you elevate women above man.

54:50

but you're not a lot of an

54:52

open conversations are on some the things

54:54

that men are good at. I think

54:56

that women are more maternal. I think

54:58

women from day one are they are.

55:00

They have a certain hormone in a

55:02

certain predisposition to protecting others' because they

55:05

at some point believe that they're going

55:07

to be responsible for someone else and

55:09

so damn or caring. and they are

55:11

less less ego driven out some of

55:13

that ego than men have results and.

55:15

Incredible things. I think many times men make

55:17

better entrepreneurs. Not going to get me a

55:20

ton of hate mail that I think men

55:22

are more aggressive and more focused on people

55:24

outside of their media family. In

55:26

think very big things and that can be

55:28

wonderful, but at the same time they become

55:31

more disconnected from the people around them and

55:33

they're less caring. So I think it manifests

55:35

and good and bad ways across the genders

55:37

didn't disappear. the too. Much yesterday

55:39

and it's lot singly read this house

55:42

and there isn't a this little to

55:44

temples people have on task. In Out

55:46

literally saw was throwing them a tree

55:48

with every bit of strength. He hadn't

55:51

pointlessly throwing things, just out of throwing

55:53

and Clara was carefully piling them. It

55:55

was so s and I literally just

55:57

like gender. He need both you need hunter?

56:00

I gotta. I was like gender like

56:02

I know every day different groups that

56:04

it lists to slake reminded me of

56:06

that do with fitness as. Aggressive

56:08

as the reason we got here is that. Men

56:11

are mostly men would see something

56:14

moving in the bushes a couple

56:16

hundred meters away and immediately without

56:18

even thinking. Grabbed.

56:20

A spear and began running towards something with

56:23

a bloodless to kill the son and see

56:25

the tribe at the same time. There were

56:27

a group of people who tended to be

56:29

women who would pick up fruit and look

56:32

at it very carefully and go. This is

56:34

Rancid. We can eat this. You need both

56:36

those skills and a household. You need both

56:39

those skills in an economy but unfortunately I

56:41

believe sometimes are not allowed to have an

56:43

open and honest conversation around the difference in

56:45

the genders because if you say anything that

56:48

isn't other than a women make better managers.

56:50

Are women make better leaders? You get

56:52

shit Know I. Guess anything? Is this people

56:54

as different as I I think I'm a different

56:56

kind of woman and as and more aggressive right

56:59

owner Hill I think insists it doesn't have to

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fully apply and I think what happens on the

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right as they have to fully apply it right

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or and on the last Day Saints news no

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such thing and said that's the. Problem By

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as that that of and okay it's

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It's difficult to have a robust open

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conversation for fear the you say something

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and articulate and you lose your job.

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And. We should just be a little

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bit more open of one I do think

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we have to acknowledge or sir behaviors that

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are more indicative are more prone or more

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likely to cluster around people born as a

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male or female. Which isn't to say that

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a lot of people born as women don't

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have wonderful masculine attributes. And a lot of

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I've said this, I'm drawn to men that

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are more feminine. He had a more caring

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yeah Scott Price, Scott between us stuff the

57:43

trial by crisis and Chris was of so

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fucking embarrass on citing privacy. I don't start

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asking me about male role models and. I

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talked about minimizing voice gets home from

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only doing it and doing as much

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lately since and instill lag he's one

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of them. Have noticed. At notice

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that and like get any gets a decline. Anyway,

58:00

good production. Scott. That's the

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show. A quick reminder of what you

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can hear on or other pods. We

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Bitcoin and next week comedian a lot

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of Glazer joins on the Kara Swisher.

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Such better Newly Daves. And by the

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way, my Bill Maher interview is up.

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If you wanna listen to it is

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quite. As that are you know he said no

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to me He said yes to you really are awesome

58:27

become I'm I pod. And. I got this

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bullshit then back from as publicized Yellow really wanted to

58:31

do this but he's done with media and is tired

58:33

on my billie was our don't have to go on

58:35

on. Ah I went to his house that

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in anything he talks about being bullied as

58:40

a in high school in school it was

58:42

interesting. I nod her that yes so he

58:44

he handled the moment to even though lot

58:46

of people are like and that was really

58:49

interesting. Anyway we'll be back on Tuesday with

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more pivot. Scott read a south. To

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