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Michael Cohen Maybe the only

0:28

person standing in between Donald

0:30

Trump in jail. Three of

0:33

Trump's for criminal trials the

0:35

ones in Washington, Florida, Georgia

0:37

seem hopelessly stalled. But

0:39

on Monday in New York, the

0:41

Hush Money case is set to

0:44

begin and Cohen is the star

0:46

witness in that case. the man

0:48

who paid Stormy Daniels to keep

0:50

quiet about her alleged affair with

0:53

Donald Trump. Clue that reimburse Cohen?

0:55

Can District Attorney Alvin Brag says

0:57

in his thirty four count indictment

1:00

falsified records about those payments to

1:02

conceal criminal activity. Got all that?

1:04

Trump's defense is simple: you can't

1:07

trust Michael Cole. So

1:09

once Cohen have to say on the eve

1:11

of the first criminal trial of the former

1:14

presidents, someone who happens to be his one

1:16

time boss and mentor a lot. I

1:19

talked to Cohen on Thursday just

1:21

after he had learned that Donald

1:24

Trump had attacked him on should

1:26

social possibly violating the gag order

1:28

in the case code Discussed how

1:30

he will defend the assault on

1:32

his credibility at the trial. Why

1:34

Brags case is stronger than analysts

1:36

believe. The legal tactics. He's expecting

1:39

from Trump's team whether he ever

1:41

regrets breaking with Trump. And.

1:44

He revealed what Stormy Daniels is

1:46

tarot cards predict. About the

1:49

outcome of the case. I'm

1:51

Ryan Lizard and this is playbook. The

1:53

Death. I

2:06

think there is a misunderstanding about

2:08

this case and I've heard you

2:10

say that people are wrong when

2:12

they say that this is the

2:14

weakest of the four cases against

2:16

Trump. Tell me if if of

2:18

of fiber got that right now

2:20

I'm no ads. Why? Why? Why

2:22

don't think that's what Director budget

2:24

don't. Want to be

2:26

to that. You said the people are

2:28

wrong about that. In other words, you

2:30

don't believe this is the weakest case.

2:32

Not, that's not what I said. What

2:34

are got is what I've said. Consistent

2:37

Only is that. For. Whatever

2:39

the reason might be. The.

2:41

American Public. Treats

2:43

these for indictments. Like

2:46

it's the Kentucky Derby. Everybody's

2:48

handicapping and picking and choosing

2:51

which one is the most

2:53

offensive. And Violet is

2:56

of law. I

2:58

will concede right now that

3:00

the January Sixth Insurrection. Is

3:03

more grotesque. In

3:06

terms of illegal behavior,

3:09

Then. This. Specific

3:11

Case: Campaign Finance Hush Money. I

3:13

will call the Business Record Freud's

3:15

That's what I prefer to call

3:17

it the Business Record Fraud case

3:19

rather than hush money. His book

3:21

The Correct: The Business Wealth and

3:23

Fraud. Is a rhine.

3:26

And if it was you, Ryan, or

3:29

anybody else, any of your listeners. They

3:32

would already have been. Indicted.

3:35

The. Case would have already preceded.

3:38

And senses are they would have

3:40

already been convicted and sentenced. I.

3:43

Michael. Trump's defense

3:45

is going to be to paint you

3:47

as an untrustworthy witness. He's going to

3:49

cite you're guilty plea for lying to

3:52

Congress and the fact the Justice Department

3:54

declined to offer you a cooperation deal

3:56

is Chris Prosecutors thought you lied to

3:58

them. And I'll say your. For

4:00

revenge and that you have

4:02

a financial incentive to see

4:04

him convicted. So how do

4:06

you defend yourself from those

4:08

accusations? Were. And I

4:11

will be. For. Certain responding

4:13

to that. At. The time

4:15

of trial, But. I wish that

4:17

when people turn around. And

4:19

state that you lied to

4:22

Congress that you do me

4:24

the courtesy to yourself the

4:26

courtesy of finishing the sentence.

4:29

What? Is the sentence that I had

4:31

done that? At. The diet Really

4:33

for the benefit of Donald Trump

4:35

And that lie. Centered.

4:38

Around. The

4:41

number of times. That. I

4:43

had stated. That. I

4:45

spoke to Donald about the

4:48

Trump Tower the sailed from

4:50

Tao work Moscow real estate

4:52

projects in conjunction with other

4:54

lawyers. j sexual both Abby

4:56

Lot fight are. Armed.

4:59

With. Other individuals like

5:01

Olive Garden or Ivanka and

5:03

Jarryd. Everybody.

5:05

Worked on that statement. I was just

5:08

the school who went ahead and read

5:10

it into the record and submitted it.

5:13

But what benefit did I have? In

5:15

terms of sayings, three times: Vs.

5:19

Ten. Best.

5:21

The Lie That I say that I

5:23

claimed to have spoken to Donald three

5:25

times about the sale Trump Tower of

5:27

Moscow Mules the project when the true

5:29

and search was ten. Similarly

5:32

with these other accusations is that the

5:34

way you approach it, you put those

5:36

things in context for the jury so

5:38

that they understand them and you know

5:41

what sounds like a a dramatic allegation

5:43

can be defined. As

5:45

absolutely there is a on

5:48

of misinformation. This information mal

5:50

information in said has been

5:53

put out there by trump

5:55

and acolytes literally since. The.

5:58

Steele dossier. We.

6:00

All know that is feel that

6:02

See A was completely inaccurate as

6:05

it related to me. I don't

6:07

even talk about any of the

6:09

other allegations raised in that garbage

6:11

document. A rebel were all

6:13

asking you if you went to we're

6:16

we're country was wrong to prop. I've

6:18

never been to the Czech Republic. I've

6:20

never been surprised. He.

6:22

Should go. Prague is beautiful by the way. By the way

6:24

I was. As soon as I

6:26

had gotten out of Otisville I was

6:28

contemplating on going deaf and start soldier

6:31

taking photos in reading out what up

6:33

blades to be back in Prague. Simply

6:35

just stopped because I remember you when

6:38

I spoke about that and us in

6:40

favour was asking you. I had even

6:42

let people come and photographs my passport

6:45

as port. I remember that. I

6:47

just never been there. He. Said quite

6:49

a journey. Michael Stipe credibility is once

6:51

one part of this. With this trial

6:54

you've you've talked about, that's the other

6:56

c word that that comes up is

6:58

corroboration. And that's something that you and

7:01

Lanny Davis your your, your advisor and

7:03

a former attorney. I'm. Talk.

7:05

About a lot that there

7:07

will be corroboration. What? Can

7:09

you tell us about that? Is this

7:11

a stronger case when it comes to

7:13

corroboration then people understand on the outside.

7:16

If. It wasn't I assure you and

7:18

your listeners that Alvin Brag and

7:20

his team of Prosecutors would never

7:22

have brought this case. Do.

7:25

They will be surprised by some of

7:27

the corroborating evidence. A Do.

7:31

Yoga. In other words, we don't know at we

7:33

don't know everything that's going to be presented. In.

7:36

Fact: Most people don't really know anything,

7:38

they only know what the headlines have

7:41

been And as. You

7:44

know, very scary. Well, Headlines.

7:46

Do not necessarily tell the story. One.

7:49

Of the big obstacles Michael

7:51

seems to be how Brag

7:53

connects the misdemeanor of falsifying

7:55

business records that recorded were

7:57

actually hush money payments. The

8:00

payments to you to reimburse you

8:02

for the payments to stormy to

8:04

another crime that Trump was trying

8:06

to commit which then makes this

8:08

a felony if I that legal.

8:10

Ah, language correct. Do you think

8:12

Bragg has strong strong evidence on

8:14

that portion of the case? Let.

8:17

Me say it to you this

8:19

way it may not be satisfying

8:22

to you or two years listeners.

8:24

ah and I do certainly appreciate

8:26

the attempts to drill down Ah

8:29

despite s me tell ya I

8:31

cannot go into into this case.

8:34

Album Brave would not have that as

8:36

an element of this case. If

8:39

he did not believe. That.

8:41

He would be able to prove this

8:43

at trial. To. A

8:45

jury of twelve. Michael.

8:48

Your case may end up being

8:50

the only case that goes to

8:52

trial this year. Meaning.

8:54

That you are the key witness.

8:57

That. Will determine. Whether.

9:00

Donald Trump goes to jail before the

9:02

Twenty Twenty Four election. What? Does

9:04

it like having that sort of weight on your shoulders? It's

9:08

a heavyweight. It's a way. That.

9:12

Is difficult on a daily

9:14

basis to carry around. It

9:17

is. Incredibly taxing

9:19

on your heart. On

9:22

your mind, And on

9:25

your souls. Attend.

9:29

Tell you. From.

9:31

A. Physical.

9:35

Health Standpoint. Since.

9:37

This all started coming down and

9:40

I predicted. Early. On. When.

9:42

Everybody said i don't worry that I

9:44

said this is gonna be the first

9:47

case that is going to I set

9:49

it on my podcast may a cold

9:51

but I said it on Political Beat

9:53

Down. I said it on television stations

9:56

on Jack to journalists like yourself. What?

9:58

I think that. Why?

10:01

Did I say that? Yeah. Why did you think

10:03

that was youth? What did you believe The I mean obviously

10:05

you had lots of insight into this case in a way

10:07

that you didn't have insight into the other cases. But what's what

10:09

made you think that like this is going to go first? It

10:11

was it. The way the Bragg was dealing with it. Was it

10:13

the way that the judge was dealing with it? All.

10:16

Things included. But when I was

10:18

saying to you that health wise,

10:20

I'm down twenty two pounds. Since.

10:23

You look very far away. So I

10:25

was horrible and down. Up and down.

10:27

Twenty two pounds. I'm it's the same

10:29

weight now. That. I was

10:32

that. When. I was released

10:34

from the fifty one days of

10:36

solitary confinement. As a

10:38

result of an unconstitutional remains

10:40

against me. Weaponized.

10:43

By Built Bar and Trump to

10:45

go against his critics. So it's

10:47

just a side note to those

10:49

people who don't believe what.on of

10:52

says. Of. Whether it's during

10:54

these rallies or these ridiculous statements

10:56

that he makes. Trust.

10:59

Me: I've been there. I

11:02

know what he's intending to do. And

11:05

he's not. Last thing. We.

11:07

Need loses be clear about this because I think.

11:10

There's. Some people think that solitary confinement

11:12

is it is a form of torture

11:14

and should be banned. And when you

11:16

say solitary confinement, describe what what you

11:18

mean and what that was like. So.

11:22

I was put into a cell. That

11:24

is approximately fifty feet

11:26

by ten feet. In

11:28

it is a toilet. A

11:30

sink, a locker, a bed,

11:33

And it's share with a desk that's attached

11:36

to the wall. And you

11:38

sit there for twenty four hours.

11:41

Seven days a week. It's

11:43

not likely seen. source sank, we

11:45

Dempsey, nor any of those movies

11:47

where you're out in the yard

11:49

you're able to yeah, oh, shoot

11:51

hoops for an hour now. Every

11:54

now and and a blitz you go grab

11:56

your your meal but then you come right

11:58

back the only time you out. Was. Monday

12:00

Wednesday and Friday from Fifteen minutes

12:02

to take a shower. Or.

12:05

Twice a week. For.

12:07

Five minute phone call to your family. The.

12:09

Sink was broken. The toilets were broken.

12:12

It was. That. The facility

12:14

in in of itself was filthy.

12:17

That's what solitary confinement.

12:21

Was. For me. Or. Know

12:23

the question about Trump in the trials you

12:25

think he wants to testify? Ah,

12:28

I think you'd like you to

12:30

believe that he would He go.

12:32

The disaster. Yeah, the disaster. It

12:34

would be worse then. The.

12:37

Deposition he gave it the

12:39

easier trial case. Where.

12:41

He couldn't even recognize that

12:43

aging Tyrell was not his

12:45

ex wife, Marla Maples. Donald.

12:48

Does not know how to tell the truth. Skis,

12:51

Lives so many times on

12:54

each of these aspects

12:56

that. He cannot keep

12:58

track of the lies and one

13:00

like big it's another life which

13:02

is easily to impeachable. He would

13:05

be putting himself into a perjury

13:07

trap by taking mistake during the

13:10

five minutes that Donald was on

13:12

the stand during the New York

13:14

Attorney General tastes when he went

13:17

outside and he started attacking me

13:19

despite began boarded that existed are

13:21

by judge and galore on. The

13:24

judge was so angry. That.

13:26

He had them put Trump on the

13:28

witness stand. He they

13:30

swore Donald in and yes, oh

13:33

you talking about. When. You

13:35

went out there are and started speaking.

13:38

Because. The attack was actually not on

13:40

meet the attack was on the judges lock

13:42

work. Which. There was a gag order

13:44

on. To. Which Donald then replied.

13:48

I was talking about Michael Cohen. And

13:50

a just as know you weren't Utah met

13:53

the person that sits next to me so

13:55

he turns around and he goes know I

13:57

was talking about Michael comments and the judge

13:59

acknowledge. At that time.

14:02

That. He did not believe Trump at

14:04

off. In fact, he could have hit

14:06

him with a perjury charge. He certainly

14:09

could have sanctioned him and his attorneys

14:11

because they jumped in and they lie

14:13

on his behalf to. So.

14:16

You don't think he'd be a great

14:18

witnesses what you're saying I'm saying he

14:20

be a horrible witnesses you would. You

14:22

might win all you guys middle of

14:24

enjoy it because as it would give

14:27

you so much to talk about Saturday

14:29

night Live with a Donald to get

14:31

up on the witness stance they wouldn't

14:33

have to write anything or the maybe

14:35

the next three four episodes. Well

14:38

says we use a source who would be good for

14:40

the prosecution's case. Is

14:43

putting Donald Trump on the witness stand

14:45

is good for any case. The.

14:52

National Association of Realtors believes that

14:54

fairness is worth fighting for and

14:56

we won't stop until there's fair

14:58

housing for. We. Believe we must

15:00

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15:03

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15:07

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way to see fair housing? There are

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many and we believe the fair our

15:21

country's housing is the stronger our country

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is. Give.

15:28

Us a sense on this Thursday, Michael on the.

15:31

Eve. Of the trial that

15:33

starts on Monday, I'm just mentally

15:35

where you are and and how

15:38

you're you're you're preparing for this.

15:41

Was. My preparation is

15:43

really just looking over. Some.

15:45

Of the old testimony that

15:48

I had given, remember it

15:50

goes back to twenty eighteen,

15:52

so it's really just more.

15:55

A. Review So my story has

15:57

not changed. it's just Murray.

16:00

Repetitive. Where do I

16:02

stand today on all of this? one

16:04

of you can of interesting we enough.

16:06

Ah I'm. I'm not

16:09

the defendant in this case. The

16:11

defendant in this case is the

16:13

former President Donald Say Trump. So

16:16

what does he do? He starts

16:18

to attack. And despite

16:20

the gag orders. That.

16:22

Of put on by the judges. He

16:25

nevertheless continues to do what he

16:28

wants. And as your part

16:30

of a gag order in this case,

16:32

right like it applies to you. Yes,

16:34

So he does exactly what he wants.

16:36

He will say whatever he wants, he

16:38

violates the gag order. And like

16:40

a petulant child, There. Appears

16:43

to be no repercussions. He

16:46

legitimately just posted something.

16:49

Calling. Me a sleaze bag. And

16:52

of course, he attacked Stormy Daniels

16:54

as well. It's called witness Intimidation

16:56

and Obstruction of Justice said, so

16:58

that would be a violation of

17:00

the gag order, right hundred percent.

17:02

And so I was. just. as

17:04

by a series of journalists. What

17:07

my response? To. Donald

17:09

calling me a sleaze baggage

17:11

and I responded back know

17:13

what? I'm a witness in

17:15

the case. Donald has clearly

17:18

the once again violated Judge

17:20

Marshawn scared water when all

17:22

matters of fact sale. Donald.

17:24

Turns to childish name calling

17:26

hoping to prejudice the jury's

17:29

opinion of a key witness

17:31

namely me. Regardless,

17:33

I'll be seeing you very soon. A.

17:36

Will you be asking the court for

17:38

sanctions and for the machines at in

17:40

in in force his gag order which

17:43

does allow for sanctions. I. Don't

17:45

have the right to make That

17:47

call. That call has to be

17:49

made by the prosecutors not buying

17:51

Watson's I mean I am merely

17:53

and I want. I want your

17:55

listeners understand This. I don't

17:58

want to testify. Olive oil. It

18:00

he testified before. The.

18:03

Moment: he might testify before seven

18:05

Congressional committees. I testified to the

18:07

New York Attorney General. I've been

18:10

part of Grand Jury indictment. Yeah,

18:12

now I'm supposed stuff again. Testifies

18:15

before the Manhattan Thx. I'm not

18:17

asking to be a witness, let

18:19

alone be referred to as the

18:22

key witness. I am a. Non.

18:24

Party. Subpoenaed.

18:27

Witness. My. Intention

18:29

is to comply. With

18:32

this. Subpoena. Though

18:34

I would prefer not to. Their

18:37

list that is that you out.

18:39

This ends. Of

18:41

the first about you want Marshawn to enforce

18:43

the gag order. Or should have

18:45

said you want bragged to ask him to ask

18:48

Bershawn to enforce it after Trump attacked you. Well,

18:51

I think they should specifically.

18:54

So. As to ensure that. The.

18:57

Case Once It starts on

18:59

Monday. Operates

19:01

in a respectful manner.

19:05

And. One that does not place.

19:07

Witnesses. Is myself included

19:10

in harm's way? I.

19:13

I appreciate this so you're ready to testify or

19:15

like Monday morning, but you just don't know yet

19:17

when they're going to call you. There's no chance

19:19

in the world that I'm. Testifying.

19:21

On Monday. As you know the

19:24

process starts with what's called what via

19:26

that's where the going to impaneled the

19:28

twelve are start with bit of course

19:30

of course with the to alternate i

19:32

a store you as I am sitting

19:34

here today cause you know I've had

19:36

a lot of predicts. Insists

19:38

that have come to fruition. My

19:41

prediction is when looking at three

19:43

weeks to months to a panel

19:45

the jury. While. A

19:48

glance susan necklace. They are

19:50

going to pull out every

19:52

stocks that they tend to

19:54

try to demonstrate. To.

19:56

The judge said they tend

19:58

not fair. Murray that

20:00

they cannot get a fair trial

20:02

here in New York in that

20:05

way, somewhere down the road they're

20:07

going to once again make a

20:09

Nother Molson claiming that they need.

20:12

Or. Judge Massage to be recuse that

20:14

they need the venue to be changed

20:16

because Donald is afford it. Under the

20:18

constitution, it's the right to a fair

20:20

trial. That's. Their next move.

20:23

He will not work. You. Know. If

20:26

I could say was more things to the

20:28

other day course my lawyer in this matter

20:30

is done you Perry. Tanya. Happens

20:32

to be is brilliant attorney who

20:35

was the one successful in filing

20:37

behavior petition that got me released

20:39

are from or that went before

20:42

Judge Alvin take our speed that

20:44

determines it was retaliatory and had

20:47

been released from the unconstitutional remains.

20:51

Dodger. As far as I

20:53

can tell you. Is.

20:55

Certain. That this

20:58

will not. Happen. In

21:00

terms of the. Result

21:02

of having this case moved.

21:05

By yeah. Let's say thirty

21:07

days is what you will ultimately

21:10

be before which the jury gets

21:12

in power and I'm not even

21:14

expected to be. I'm one of

21:16

the first witnesses saw. Probably be

21:19

more like in baseball. I'm clean

21:21

up. Our Bialik a

21:23

fourth or fifth batter into it

21:25

because they're going to keep me

21:27

on that stand. For. As.

21:30

Long as they possibly can trying to

21:32

discredit me. So again, that way they

21:34

could use that to try to

21:36

make a at I'm. A

21:38

case. During. Appeal. Why?

21:42

This case should not stand and have

21:44

overturns. Got. It so you'll be late

21:46

in the case. Does that the A be late in

21:49

the case does that? Also part of does that suggest

21:51

you are So yeah that was my is a the

21:53

case. He. Ever. That's my, that's

21:55

my opinion. Ah yes, I do

21:57

not even know right now. What?

22:00

The I Will Be. Appearing.

22:02

Got. It but I also don't know how many

22:05

days. With. Your your prediction is

22:07

poor dears gonna take a while and that's

22:09

where they can drag things out. Correct.

22:12

Let. Me ask you this did the jury question

22:14

your Michael. It it had

22:16

a question their debts asked the

22:19

jurors. Have you ever listened to

22:21

any podcasts? By. Will

22:23

read any books by are you

22:26

by by Michael Cohen I'm suggesting

22:28

that you know this is gonna

22:30

be a little bit of of

22:33

an issue. Do you ever regret

22:35

your sort of bomb media. Empire

22:38

that that you've built to think.

22:41

It's complicated this case by being

22:43

a stronger critical of the for

22:45

former president. Well. I appreciate

22:47

you calling it an empire. I would

22:50

are characterized that though may have caused

22:52

the current over three hundred million downloads

22:54

since. I was gonna say it's of

22:56

New York Times bestselling book and it

22:58

on my account or success but right

23:01

to New York Times bestselling books. I'm.

23:05

I'm I'm. Upset.

23:07

About the fact that as I

23:10

have done is much media as

23:12

I have absolutely not. Because.

23:15

If it's not, Me:

23:17

Who speaking in trying to

23:20

inform the country? Not just

23:22

Democrats, but Republicans and most

23:24

importantly the Independence. The undecideds.

23:28

If it's not me who it going to

23:30

be. Easiest thing.

23:32

right? For me to have gone. Early

23:35

on. When. All of this

23:38

Michigan Us was going down in

23:40

my lungs. Would. Have been

23:42

to kept my mouth shut. Whatever.

23:45

Happened happened. I probably would have been

23:48

of the first person said Donald towards

23:50

it. And I'd probably

23:52

be working for Fox News Max. I'd be

23:54

the head of the arm and seats probably

23:57

with Lara Trump. Was. Something

23:59

stupid. Like that. But I

24:01

would be putting America is

24:03

democracy. I'd putting my children's

24:05

future and your children's future

24:08

and all of yet, the

24:10

listeners family's future in jeopardy.

24:12

And I wasn't going to do that.

24:15

I can tell you the number of

24:17

inmates that young fellow inmates with me.

24:19

that. One. Would want to get

24:21

into political conversation as I was some as

24:23

there's no reason to talk about it. it's

24:25

not that seems anything you have your opinions

24:28

I have my the never going to intersect

24:30

so let's just one parallel. you run yours

24:32

I'll run moink but they would save me

24:34

all the time. I just say to use

24:36

a friend. Why? Didn't

24:39

You Just keep the fucking mouth Such.

24:41

You be the first one pardoned. You.

24:44

Would been working right now making

24:46

millions of dollars. With. The

24:49

Republican party. Instead.

24:51

You keep say begun remember

24:53

any saving him as an

24:55

inmate from Otisville. The

24:59

of it's like is the is a

25:01

modern day be but versus Goliath story.

25:03

And very similar to the biblical

25:05

story. David.

25:08

Willey, the smaller of the to. Appears

25:11

to be slain. The giant. Because.

25:14

Donald Trump is a giant. In

25:17

the back your mind you ever think. Mint.

25:20

You know what? This really wasn't worth it.

25:22

This are you be paid to higher higher

25:24

price and that gig as a on on

25:27

Fox News or head of the Or and

25:29

see might have been a better a better

25:31

pass. This. Is Joyce? Think

25:33

About it. I think about everything. I think

25:36

about the day that Donald s me to

25:38

come to work for him. I

25:40

didn't need to work for him

25:42

on semi retired. And

25:45

thirty nine I just sat. I

25:47

got lucky early on as far

25:49

as getting a chance to enjoy

25:51

time with my wife, my children.

25:53

Unfortunately, I just come off of

25:55

a terrible health is feel that

25:57

almost took my life and so

25:59

being so. Today. I

26:01

was looking for something that would have

26:04

you have given me some. On

26:07

activity that would spark

26:09

my entrepreneurial spirit again

26:11

and. I'd like to be

26:13

busy and Donald's when he made that offered

26:15

to me. Fit. That

26:17

exact. Set. Of parameters. I

26:20

mean, he media was as. He.

26:22

Made me that was or two thousand

26:24

and seven. He made

26:26

me. One. Of the three members

26:28

of the board of Miss Universe, it

26:31

was Donald Alan, Why So Berg and

26:33

me. That's not

26:35

the greatest of company I was. Home

26:37

fries didn't have shrunk production. He had

26:39

the number one tv show at the

26:42

time. I was working

26:44

on real estate projects. I

26:46

was given this great responsibility.

26:49

As personal attorney to Donald Trump's

26:52

and he was not the Donald

26:54

Trump's that you see today I

26:56

often say this that Donald today.

26:59

Is the worse version

27:01

of himself imaginable. How.

27:04

Do you and wages He

27:06

has exceeded even what anybody

27:08

thought. Would. Be the worst

27:10

version of himself. Had. He

27:13

explained that the explained that transition what what do

27:15

you think is is made him more of a

27:17

of a of a caricature of and himself is

27:19

in terms of the whether you're describing him. Power.

27:22

The. Old The old adage

27:24

absolute power corrupts absolutely.

27:27

That. Should be written on his

27:30

epitaph one day. It.

27:35

You. He as

27:37

as as you've you've talked about

27:39

in and and written that it

27:42

was Jared Kushner and Don Jr.

27:44

that convinced Trump to throw you

27:47

under the bus. That

27:49

our mason was provided to

27:52

are a gentleman who was

27:54

helping me accumulate the information

27:56

for my second are Book

27:58

for Revenge. How Donald throw

28:00

it out The noise. The United States

28:02

Department of Justice against his credit's. What

28:05

would have happened if if he hadn't listened?

28:07

If he, if he hadn't thrown you under

28:09

the bus teachers aren't? We may not be

28:11

in a position that he's in right now.

28:14

Why that? Odd.

28:17

Because. I

28:20

may not have. Come

28:23

clean. I mean guys have

28:25

provided. The. Information I may

28:27

not have been able to emotionally

28:30

break away from The Colts. And.

28:34

It's knowledge. Despite the

28:36

ongoing continuous arrest month from

28:39

my wife, my daughter, and

28:41

my son that. You

28:43

need to snap added to set your

28:45

loyalty. Belongs to us

28:47

and the country. And that's

28:49

when I had said to George Stephanopoulos

28:52

on that interview. That.

28:54

After. Quite. A bit of

28:56

reflection. I have to

28:58

say that my boiled he belongs to my

29:00

wife, my daughter, my son, and my country

29:03

and that I will not allow Donald. To.

29:07

Have history remembered me as the

29:09

villain of his story. Michael.

29:12

You and Stormy Daniels have a

29:14

struck up a and unlikely friendship.

29:16

After all he he you went

29:19

through. I'm. And I

29:21

know that on one of the she's

29:23

done tarot card readings for you. did

29:25

she do a tarot card reading about

29:27

this case and can you tell us

29:29

what it said about the outcome of

29:31

the trial? What she

29:33

did do a Tarot card reading for

29:35

me Wayne: She was on My May

29:37

Have Club the podcast the second time

29:40

that he was on I'm I don't

29:42

specifically remember all of the things that

29:44

she said, but she turned around and

29:46

she said that. The.

29:48

Cards show. Donald.

29:51

Will be held accountable. How

29:55

can we just don't know how That

29:57

sir, We just don't know how steelers

29:59

your think. Maybe these legal cases

30:01

where a mistake and they just

30:03

have strengthened him and they mailed.

30:06

Impossible for republicans to beat him

30:08

in the primary and that's the

30:10

largest isn't set up. For.

30:13

Giving account ability to someone like the him

30:15

and it has to happen at the at

30:18

the ballot box I'm not saying I agree

30:20

with that. I'm just wondering if you've ever

30:22

be dumped.that watching the primaries are the way

30:24

that they turned out. For. One

30:26

thing Donald certainly has done

30:28

is he's tapped into White

30:31

Privilege. He's tapped into.

30:33

People's. Grievances Whether it's

30:36

because they feel disconnected

30:38

from the process where

30:40

the country whatever their

30:42

own. Personal issues are

30:45

Donald has figured out how to

30:47

tap into those grievances and as

30:50

a result. He absolutely

30:52

controls a significant

30:55

portion. Of the

30:57

Republican party, whether it's forty

30:59

percent, fifty percent, I'll even

31:01

go so far I give

31:04

him even more people and

31:06

six six percent. But just

31:08

because you are able to

31:10

control that percentage. That.

31:13

Will give you the opportunity to

31:15

be the nominees. But.

31:17

Under no circumstances, says.

31:20

The give you. Even

31:22

a shot. At winning

31:24

the general election, so is Donald's.

31:27

Running. Is Donald Behavior

31:29

is Donald's. Teaching.

31:33

Of the republican party.

31:36

Bad. For the Republican party.

31:39

One of our to

31:41

political parties in this

31:43

country is absolutely catastrophic.

31:45

For them. Michael.

31:47

Thank you for doing this. I appreciate

31:49

it and we have a tradition on

31:51

the shelves. Or last guess asks a

31:53

question for the next guest and they

31:56

don't know who you were going to

31:58

beat the you come up with a

32:00

question for our next guest. I ate

32:02

and so I'm. This. A little

32:04

strange to end with this business. A

32:06

little bit of an abrupt transition, but.

32:09

Our last guess was at

32:11

a whole calmer who is

32:13

running the ballot initiative in

32:15

Florida to put a Abortion

32:17

Rights of into the Florida

32:20

Constitution. and I'm. I'm

32:22

going to ask you to these though because of

32:24

the question we had for her. May be more

32:26

up your alley but and his first question is

32:28

what do you think America should do about Tic

32:30

Toc? Think about ever second that our the question

32:32

we had for Anna the haven't really had on

32:35

Tic Toc. I. To tell us

32:37

about that. but then I also want to

32:39

hear who you think Donald Trump will pick

32:41

as his V P. That was the question

32:43

for her that she appointed. See you get

32:45

to this week and then I want to

32:47

you give one for our next guest. Sure

32:49

why I'm actually on Tic Toc. I have

32:51

like a ten Pm show that I do

32:53

nightly. I have to add of know that

32:55

I have. I have to watch right as

32:57

I don't sleep well I'm I've never slept

32:59

well. I go to sleep very late and

33:01

I wake up very very early. Generally it's

33:03

like. Twelve. To for. Hi

33:06

my sleep pattern self at ten

33:08

o'clock I get bored of I

33:10

pretty much watch everything on streaming

33:13

services that is decent to watch.

33:15

So I started doing this tic

33:17

Toc and I have every night.

33:19

I basically get a million likes

33:21

of we have seventy eighty thousand

33:24

people joining us each night or

33:26

it's become a lot of fun.

33:28

I answer questions so I believe.

33:30

That. Tix. Hop is

33:33

in importance. Of very

33:35

important. Our platform. Where.

33:38

Young generation. Pigeons.

33:41

years so to speak, Obtain.

33:44

Information. So.

33:47

I think it's extremely important

33:49

and. I do not ascribed

33:51

to the attacks on ticked off us

33:54

that that it's so what Even if

33:56

I did say that the following my

33:58

locations so does every. The app

34:00

that you're on. Whether it's ways

34:02

all the way to say spoken

34:04

of google and makes no difference,

34:07

they're all they're They're all data

34:09

mining. Your. Information because that's where

34:11

they make the bulk of their money.

34:14

Guys. Are going to? Who's Donald going

34:17

to pick? As V P.

34:20

Guaranteed it'll be a woman. Because

34:22

he is right now. So.

34:26

Feet. Down into the dumpster. When.

34:29

It comes to women. Are.

34:31

The day in. The. Mega Women

34:34

faithful. That. He needs

34:36

to show that he's not the

34:38

sexist misogynist that he is. And

34:41

I think if he could find a woman

34:44

of color. That would

34:46

be better, but he won't do it. I

34:48

see somebody like a Nancy

34:51

Mace or ah. Maybe

34:55

even somebody like. It would

34:58

have been this woman, maybe Brett the one

35:00

next. A ich yeah, I'll take Vietnam. The

35:02

response rate steady in it. Because

35:05

of their looks. Easy.

35:07

Donald. He: that's important to Donald

35:09

Trump very very. He is a

35:11

arm. He's birth.

35:14

he he believes in optics. It's

35:16

almost like. Why? He would

35:18

walk. And he

35:21

had hoped tests, For example, right

35:23

by his side, shoulder to shoulder.

35:25

Why he has tailing Mack in

35:27

a neat right? Why he has

35:29

the folks around him that he

35:32

does. He's very transactional. He believes

35:34

that everyone is sort of. As.

35:37

Mentally corrupt as he is.

35:40

And he's visual so.

35:43

Like. With the apprentice him coming

35:45

off the helicopter with thirty beautiful

35:47

women. Following. Behind

35:49

him. He thinks it

35:51

makes him look. Bigger. And.

35:54

More important, Yeah, the the

35:56

rest of the world than he is, so

35:58

I do believe it'll be a woman I

36:00

believe that in his mind he will consider

36:02

her to. Attractive. Ah,

36:05

he also need somebody. Who

36:08

will Not. Out signed

36:10

him. That's why somebody like

36:12

Un Nikki Haley could never be

36:14

a choice. She's too

36:17

strong a person. And

36:19

see would. Suck.

36:21

Up some of his oxygen in

36:23

the room. And for Donald. Owning

36:26

all the oxygen in the room, Is

36:29

what he constantly needs. It's what keeps

36:31

him going. Got. It's or less

36:33

thing goes. a question for an ex. Guess

36:35

Michael. For. Your

36:37

next guest. You. Don't know

36:39

who it's gonna be. so that's a that's part of the phone

36:41

here. It. Doesn't have to

36:43

be a specific. There could be a general thing. Yeah,

36:46

right. Why do you think? That.

36:49

Merrick Garland. Failed

36:51

to move the January

36:53

six and other cases.

36:56

More. Expeditiously so as

36:58

to ensure. That.

37:03

The cases would not. Interfere.

37:06

With. The unwritten rule. Of.

37:10

Ninety. Days before an election.

37:15

Good. Question. You are you

37:17

My you have you aim to please write the of

37:19

of you on that By the way. What's.

37:22

That do you personally have? Have you on that by

37:24

the way? Do. But I'm going to keep it to

37:26

myself. As is where you know,

37:28

why are we gonna leave it for the next guess? Michael.

37:31

Thank you so much for doing this. Stay

37:34

in touch and. Good

37:36

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37:38

do actually take the stand. The of

37:40

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37:45

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