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Jon Favreau. So today we have

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month's inside Two Thousand Twenty Four

0:50

and we get John Legend, which

0:52

is which is really exciting. John

0:54

and I talk about celebrity endorsements

0:56

and his experience and the campaign

0:59

trail with Obama. We also talk

1:01

about Twenty Twenty Four. John. Thoughts

1:03

on the Twenty Twenty Four race he's

1:05

going to be out there for for

1:07

Joe Biden or he's already endorsed him.

1:09

You can be campaigning and he talks

1:11

about his thoughts on the race, on

1:14

the importance of endorsements, and the importance

1:16

of why you should choose Biden over

1:18

Trump. It's a fantastic interview. John is

1:20

one of the politically savviest people I

1:22

know. ah, as I say, an interview.

1:24

He could go run a campaign himself,

1:27

so it's fascinating conversation. Subscribe to front

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1:32

Back to Inside Twenty Twenty Four, I'm

1:34

John Favour of our guest of A

1:36

needs no introduction, but I'll give him

1:38

one anyway. He's an incredibly talented and

1:40

wildly successful singer songwriter, pianist and performer

1:42

whose reached he got status is also

1:44

a long time political activist and all

1:46

around wonderful human being. John Legend welcome

1:48

back to the Pod and a friend

1:50

of the pioneers and a longtime friend

1:52

of the pious. be clear, longtime friend

1:54

of the by her. So we're doing

1:56

this behind the scenes look at different

1:58

parts of the camp. Your to

2:00

they were focusing on endorsements and campaign

2:03

surrogates internally celebrities. I thought you'd be

2:05

perfect guess because of all the celebrities

2:07

I've seen get involved in politics. You're

2:10

at the. Very. Top of

2:12

the list in terms of how. Politically.

2:14

Savvy and deeply committed you are.

2:16

I think you'd probably run a

2:18

campaign yourself. Do you remember at

2:20

one point in your life you

2:23

first became interested in politics? Oh.

2:25

Yeah, I remember watching.

2:28

Jesse Jackson. Ah Speaking at the

2:30

Eighty Eight, a convention that are

2:32

nominated Dukakis as an incredible speeds

2:35

and I was so moved by

2:37

his speech and I was so

2:39

excited I didn't understand that it

2:42

was already a foregone conclusion that

2:44

Dukakis was gonna get the nomination

2:46

at that point and I was

2:49

is like or how could anyone

2:51

not vote for Jesse Jackson as

2:53

the species as gave and I

2:55

was is so like inspired by.

2:58

And then you know I had

3:01

grown up with a sense of

3:03

understanding. Oh, What? Politics

3:05

means particular to black

3:07

people. Ah, and how

3:09

important it was forced

3:11

to be engaged. Ah,

3:13

I'm as a community.

3:16

As a group of people who had

3:19

been marginalized and had needed you know

3:21

the protection of the federal government needed.

3:24

To be organized politically to gain

3:27

the right that we have now.

3:29

Ah, so I read about Doctor

3:31

King. I read about other people

3:34

that organizes. During Civil Rights

3:36

Movement and I read about

3:38

their interactions with the President's

3:40

at the time and and

3:43

at Marching For Voting Rights

3:45

and and for Civil Rights.

3:47

And so I hadn't had

3:49

a pretty clear for that

3:52

age understanding that politics. Ah

3:55

matter they, they affect our lives

3:57

And this is when you're at

3:59

a kid. Yeah, I was born

4:01

in Seventy eight. So thinking about Dakota is

4:03

that was when I was seen years old

4:05

and when I was a kid I would

4:07

go to library. I was home schooled a

4:09

lot of my younger years and I'll go

4:12

the library now. It's like seek out books

4:14

about. Civil Rights leaders

4:16

and people who. Were

4:19

engaged him in the political process to

4:21

to make a difference and so always

4:23

looked up to those kinds of people

4:26

and. Saw.

4:28

A political engagement as part of being a

4:30

citizen, As part of been. it's a human

4:32

being really? Do. You remember the first

4:34

time you. Spoke. Out About Politics.

4:37

First. Time. I mean, I. Spoke

4:39

out before people cared what I had to

4:42

say. As as as good as as you

4:44

know I I was. I'm. A

4:46

student at Penn and and was

4:48

engaged in the electoral process during

4:51

that time. I think the first

4:53

election I voted and. Was.

4:56

Two thousand. So I didn't

4:58

vote in Ninety six, but

5:00

I voted you know, Gore

5:02

vs. Bush as my first to

5:04

N N.com. As a

5:06

lot of people might recall, the

5:08

Iraq War, the lead up to

5:11

the Iraq War happened on a

5:13

little bit. After that. You know

5:15

Nine Eleven happened in Two Thousand

5:17

One and the drumbeat of war

5:19

started to be a. Amped

5:22

up and ramped up. Leading.

5:24

Us to the you know terrible mistake

5:26

of invading Iraq and I remember marching

5:29

on the streets are against the war

5:31

in Iraq because I could tell someone

5:33

the right about it and that we

5:35

were being misled and that it wasn't

5:38

really addressing what happened in Nine Eleven

5:40

in any way and I was upset

5:42

about it and so I was out

5:45

on the streets. Protesting.

5:47

In New York among hundreds of thousands

5:49

of people really? ah, I'm who was

5:51

speaking out against that war. And

5:54

then in I can seem to saying

5:56

gays and presidential politics. After

5:58

that but also. Got. More

6:01

of an understanding of what local

6:03

politics mean to ah And and as

6:05

I've gotten older, I've gotten more engaged

6:07

in local and state politics to years

6:10

saying they've on an education, reforms, justice

6:12

reform, Tell. Me about your

6:14

decision to get involved in those issues and

6:16

what are and what those early years for

6:18

like yeah I think really was motivated just

6:20

buy me reading about thing so I would

6:22

read books that kind of. Pushed.

6:25

Me to think about some of these

6:27

issues like you know, the New Jim

6:29

Crow by Michelle Alexander and Us and

6:31

other books. A Yo. Made.

6:34

Me feel a sense of urgency around

6:36

making sure our kids got better schools

6:38

and making sure our justice system was

6:40

a really refined and we started to

6:42

the car sorry and so I focus

6:45

on. Both of those issues because I.

6:48

Read a lot about them, care lot

6:50

about them, and they connected with my

6:52

own personal story quite a lot. And

6:54

the more I read about them and

6:56

understood their my, I understood that. The.

6:59

Presidential election was in where it

7:01

was that for a lot of

7:03

those issues, there's so much that

7:05

happens on a local and state

7:08

level on both of those issues

7:10

that it required a level of

7:12

engagement in those elections. Those races

7:14

on that I hadn't thought about

7:16

before. Did. You find it.

7:19

Frustrating. Rewarding were you able

7:21

to lightly how much progress free able

7:23

to see over the years. As

7:25

as you honestly again and honestly

7:28

a pet particularly with thing incarceration

7:30

reform, deconcentration, and criminal justice reform.

7:32

We seen lot of progress over

7:35

the past decade or so. We

7:37

started Free America about ten years

7:39

ago and we've seen the levels

7:41

and of incarceration in the United

7:44

States go down pretty significantly during

7:46

that time we've had of course.

7:48

ah, kind of Pr setbacks he

7:51

the rise in crime and and

7:53

during the pandemic without other issues.

7:55

But as the the fact

7:57

remains true that we. Actually

8:00

seen quite a lot of the conservation

8:02

in this country in that time that

8:04

we've been focused on the issue and

8:06

I feel like we as an organization

8:08

and me as an individual have had

8:10

a lot of impact on that conversation

8:13

as I talked about it at the

8:15

Oscars when I won a on best

8:17

Song for Glory with com and I

8:19

talked about ah or mass incarceration issue

8:21

and I. Have been one

8:23

of the main people in the

8:25

public arena that as a spoken

8:28

up for the cars race in

8:30

an ending mass incarceration and. Making.

8:33

Is something that. Was.

8:35

Part of the. National conversation

8:37

and it's been effective. And

8:39

then we got involved. And

8:41

District Attorney races? Ah. Nationwide.

8:45

In major city like Philadelphia in

8:47

Chicago and And and Los Angeles

8:50

and. San. Francisco and.

8:52

And. We've helped elect a bunch

8:54

of progressive Da's in some of

8:56

the biggest population centers in the

8:59

country, which has added a significant

9:01

impact on those local communities. And

9:03

just by numbers, you know they

9:05

represent a large portion of the

9:07

population despite only being cities, and

9:10

so that's impacted the whole country.

9:12

But. You mentioned how they have there is a spike

9:14

in crime. To. To the pandemic

9:16

largely and because of that there's been

9:19

a political backlash against some of the

9:21

purpose of prosecutors and and da's and

9:23

all that the work that he does

9:25

have done have you thought about now

9:27

that crimes coming down again down against

9:29

if you learn the lessons from that

9:31

in terms of like how to sort

9:33

of move public opinion back to where

9:35

it was on these issues let you

9:38

had to take the long view. First

9:40

of all like understand that in that

9:42

moment people are going to feel a

9:44

sense of urgency about crime. And.

9:46

They're going to attributed to beings are

9:48

that they want attributed to as they

9:51

are against progressive the A. They're going

9:53

to blame progressive da's ah when crime

9:55

goes up. But.

9:58

Obviously any. The objective

10:00

observation of what was happening would show

10:02

you that it wasn't a progressive Da's

10:05

for the crime went up during the

10:07

pandemic are all these other reasons and

10:09

the pandemic was the main reason area

10:12

and bombs. and so now that we

10:14

see crime going back down, it's it's

10:16

It's become clear. I think to anybody

10:19

who's being honest about it that it

10:21

wasn't the progressive Da's for that crime

10:23

was going up during that time. but

10:26

they want to use that to roll

10:28

back the progress that we had our

10:30

brought about and so they used it

10:33

and we have to be vigilant I

10:35

think and and clear eyed. But.

10:37

Also sympathetic because when people are

10:40

experiencing crime in a communities and

10:42

uptick in crime it is, You

10:44

know it's concerning and people feel

10:46

fear and it's legitimate fear and

10:49

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10:51

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10:53

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10:55

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10:57

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12:33

I remember you're one of the

12:35

first big celebrities to endorse Barack

12:37

Obama back when we were still

12:39

losing to Hillary Clinton by double

12:41

digits down. Ah, and I remember

12:43

you headlining that concert in Des

12:45

Moines right before the Draft and

12:48

Jackson dinner november of Two Thousand

12:50

Seven Ithaca was when did you

12:52

first meet Obama? I. Met

12:54

him in Chicago I was

12:56

on arm was touring support

12:58

the Once Again album which

13:00

came out and o six

13:02

and he. Had

13:04

you know gotten some publicity

13:06

from the young two Thousand and

13:09

Four convention speech and so

13:11

I knew about him from that.

13:13

and then when we were

13:15

coming to town to Chicago to

13:18

do the tour. Ah, His.

13:20

Team reached out to us and said

13:22

you know we are you coming to

13:24

town for the tour. Senator

13:27

Obama would love for you to come by the

13:29

office and meet him. And.

13:31

I was absolutely came by.

13:34

And. He and announced

13:37

that he was going to run, yet he

13:39

was thinking about it. And you know, after

13:41

the bus that he got from the two

13:44

thousand and Four speed, you know people

13:46

were talking about him. Ah, but it wasn't

13:48

clear that he was gonna run. Yeah, and

13:50

it was pretty clear that Hillary was the

13:52

favorite to be. The nominee for

13:55

the Democratic party in two thousand eight

13:57

and so at best it was going

13:59

to be. Long shot that he

14:01

would even run and if he

14:03

did run that he would get

14:05

nominated. But I've sat with them

14:07

and enjoyed our conversation. We sat

14:09

in his office. And.

14:13

I told him you know at into

14:15

the conversation if you decide to run

14:17

let me know and we'll see what

14:19

we can do to help. And ah

14:21

you know he decided to run as

14:23

he announced the know you you remember

14:25

it well as assists in Springfield, Illinois.

14:28

You know, evoking Abraham Lincoln and

14:30

and started to really inspire the

14:33

nation and down. I was happy

14:35

to get behind his campaign intuit

14:37

I could do to help you

14:39

did a lot I'm as it

14:41

was that the most involved. You

14:43

were in a presidential campaign. Did you

14:45

do suffer? Carry at all? Ah, barely.

14:47

And when when carry was running I

14:49

was him politically well known. My first.

14:52

Album. Came out in December of

14:54

two thousand and four so after

14:57

you know carry had run and

14:59

last. So.

15:02

I mean. I. Was involved

15:04

in politics but not in any way

15:06

that was like. Salivating.

15:09

A particular cause because I was an elevated enough

15:11

to do so. Our staff

15:13

as interested in and your thoughts on

15:15

turning the New Hampshire Primary night yes

15:17

we can speech into a song. Guess

15:20

which for me is always a little

15:22

weird. Certainly a moment where I started

15:24

thinking like what on earth is going

15:27

to has have ah it was well.

15:31

As. Yes,

15:37

We had. How

15:51

does that even com about? I haven't even

15:53

watched that and so laws are alonso like

15:56

I'm I don't know how would hold up

15:58

up up a slight identify as. Click

16:00

on the West wing hold that the her

16:02

her up but you know it was quite

16:04

a heavy time at People were genuinely inspired

16:06

by Obama. And it. Will

16:10

I am. It was his

16:12

idea zoo put the video together.

16:15

And. He just called up a bunch

16:17

of his friends. Now Will and I

16:19

are friends. I just on this weekend

16:21

actually a formula one but you know

16:23

we had written songs together since. Two.

16:26

Thousand and Two. We have to say

16:28

manager at the beginning of my career

16:30

and are we wrote ordinary people together

16:32

have written songs with him. For the

16:35

buck eyepiece we wrote American Boy together

16:37

the big hit of from a Style

16:39

and Cognac. Ah, so we had quite

16:41

a history together. And. So

16:43

when he calls me you know to

16:45

get involved in anything I'm using like

16:47

ever do it. And ah of course

16:49

I had been involved in the Obama

16:51

campaign already and he was like I'm

16:54

trying to make a music video to

16:56

the speech. He was so inspiring Know

16:58

my god. Okay and ah we like

17:00

try to we are in air and

17:02

and try to make it work. And.

17:05

We made a video of and it became a

17:08

saying. It really became a thing as Two Thousand

17:10

Eight for like forever ago I got a lot

17:12

is I got so many youtube views are right

17:14

it was like really massive. We went way further

17:17

than we ever expected it to same. So I

17:19

imagine that for a lot of celebrities there's like

17:21

there's a good deal of thought and discussing the

17:23

goes into deciding. How and when

17:25

to use their voice to speak out

17:28

about politics, endorse a candidate, and get

17:30

to think about the potential blowback from

17:32

fans who don't share your. You're also

17:34

going to think about whether a famous

17:36

person getting involved was actually help your

17:39

hawes or candidates. How do you think

17:41

about this? Well. We try

17:43

to be. As. Wise as we

17:45

can about where I can make impact.

17:48

And is not on everything and

17:50

I think. Like. There's.

17:53

Not. Always valued to everything you do

17:56

as a famous person, and sometimes

17:58

there's maybe negative value to. Some

18:00

things you do it may not

18:02

be helpful ah but I feel

18:04

like. On. Issues where

18:06

I really. Am. Deeply

18:09

engaged in the content of the

18:11

issues like a criminal justice reform

18:13

and then where we're absolutely like,

18:15

engage with the activists in the

18:17

organizers who aren't as famous as

18:19

I am. We talk to them.

18:22

And we talk to them about their priorities.

18:24

We talked to them about what they're trying

18:26

to get past and how we can be

18:28

helpful. and sometimes they don't always want me

18:31

to do. All the things they

18:33

want me to. Come. In when it's.

18:35

Time. For this particular thing that

18:37

we need with public engagement to

18:39

get the message out to elevate

18:41

an issue. John. Can you

18:43

make of of and a video about this

18:45

so that we can highlight this particular issue

18:48

and get people organize around. It's John. Can

18:50

you show up at this fundraiser to help

18:52

raise money for this particular issue with this

18:55

particular candidate? And so we try to be.

18:58

Very engaged with the community, very good

19:00

listeners and not bigfoot our way through

19:02

every issue thinking that we'd have all

19:04

the answers we listen and then we

19:06

get engaged when the activists and organizers

19:08

on the ground tell us this be

19:10

helpful and useful for us in a

19:12

he thinking about in that documentaries. This

19:15

Americana Taylor Swift's talks about

19:17

how ya see. Regretted

19:19

not speaking out and when he sixteen and

19:21

really wanted to speak out if he was

19:24

and twenty eighteen and have run indoors and

19:26

twenty twenty. but all of her people including

19:28

her dad were very much like. this is

19:30

bad you didn't blow bagwell, you ever had

19:33

to deal with that Kana. I. Think

19:35

we all have to deal with it but

19:37

I do think it's harder in. The.

19:39

Country world was she came from

19:41

because the kind of. You

19:45

know the inner says is in the

19:47

direction of being a bit more conservative

19:49

and patriotic and that John Ryan and

19:51

in that community of fans that listen

19:53

to country music and so I think

19:55

it is harder. For

19:57

Taylor in that context to

20:00

speak out. For. The

20:02

more progressive candidates than it is for

20:04

a black artists who comes up through

20:06

arm be and soul which it's part

20:08

of our tradition. Me. More.

20:10

Progressive is part of our tradition to speak

20:13

out ah, for civil rights and and critically

20:15

for the rights of black people in this

20:17

country. You know we have such a long

20:20

line of artist. The came before is the

20:22

did it and it's almost like. Ah,

20:24

it's part of our legacy and week we

20:27

just carry that forwards. And so the inertia

20:29

vaccine the direction of as being engaged and

20:31

being active and I think for Taylor it

20:33

is The inertia was the opposite he was.

20:35

it is as in favor of her. Certain.

20:39

Up and saying so. Adding was riskier for

20:41

her to do it than it is for

20:43

me. but you know, I'm on

20:45

The Voice which is nationally broadcast on

20:47

N B C. We have fans all

20:49

over the country and some of them

20:51

are conservative and and I'm sure I

20:53

alienate some of them by speaking out

20:56

on some of these issues. Ah, I'm

20:58

and I'm sure. That I

21:00

may lose some fans.

21:03

Because I speak out. On politics

21:05

but also think. That.

21:08

I. Probably gained some fans. I speaking out on

21:11

some of these issues too because. I.

21:13

Think most fans want their

21:15

artist to be authentic and

21:17

honest and to believe in

21:19

something and stamp or something

21:22

and so. I see.

21:24

A. Lot of fans are attracted to

21:27

artist. Who. Aren't

21:30

silent on issues that matter. How

21:33

have you. Dealt. With.

21:35

Being. Not just in the spotlight for.

21:38

Your. Day job But for politics I'm

21:40

sure there's been some blowback from

21:42

Oh Yeah Fest You and Chrissy

21:44

Yeah crisis like threat you know

21:46

the on Trump's radar we I

21:48

realized we were jumps radar of

21:50

obviously he tweeted at us and

21:52

he's always had an issue is

21:54

women whose be God yeah especially

21:56

and so you know I had

21:58

been on earth. Lester Holt

22:00

Special about. Mass.

22:03

Incarceration. I. Am

22:05

is on Msnbc on a Sunday

22:07

night. Which why is he watching

22:10

this life cycle? What would make

22:12

viable Watch Msnbc on a Sunday

22:14

night. As

22:16

a different method, better. Value:

22:19

The President of the whole United

22:21

States of America. but he watched it

22:23

and I'm he wanted more credit for

22:25

the first step back so he was

22:28

mad that we didn't. You.

22:30

Know kisses as more. On

22:33

that special And so he

22:35

likes polka. Call me boring

22:37

and my wife filthy mouth

22:40

or something like that and

22:42

you know it. A burst

22:44

of a wonderful hashtag. President

22:48

Pussy as this. And

22:50

that came from my wife's on

22:53

twitter account. And it's

22:55

and eventually got censored by Twitter

22:57

and insert into President P A

23:00

be An area and apparently based

23:02

on congressional hearings a few years

23:04

later. this really irked. Donald

23:08

Trump and he like actively reached

23:10

out the twitters right to censor

23:12

this has tag and and was

23:14

very upset about ah the blowback

23:16

from him tweeting My wife. And

23:20

myself and I have quite an

23:22

episode in American history has been

23:24

a pretty stupid eight years has

23:26

in this isn't the congressional record

23:28

and are exciting. So the other

23:30

side as has Dc celebrities with

23:32

platforms have an obligation to speak

23:34

out about politics because some now

23:37

you see. A. Lot of people

23:39

in this happens. I think on the last. Where.

23:42

People want someone to to speak was a celebrity

23:44

to speak out on just about every issue and

23:46

then even if you do speak out an issue

23:48

they wanted to speak out more and wire not

23:50

using a plan in the south especially happened around

23:53

the war in Gaza is happening right now over

23:55

the last year. Like how to how do you

23:57

feel that the I think we should be careful

23:59

about expect. The celebrities to speak out

24:01

about everything because honestly like a

24:04

lot of us are informed about.

24:06

This. Issue or that his youth and these

24:09

issues are. Very. Complicated have

24:11

lots of history, and particularly what's

24:13

happening now in the Middle East.

24:15

I think it requires a level

24:18

of understanding. That. Most celebrities

24:20

just don't have an. I

24:22

think. Truly like. We

24:24

all should be humble about what we

24:26

know and what we don't know, and

24:29

I think fans and audiences should be

24:31

careful about wanting us to weigh in

24:33

on everything because. Honestly, like.

24:36

Know. Why it's

24:38

like it's efficacy of you way it

24:41

is where of is a one but

24:43

also liked the depth and breadth of

24:45

understanding necessary to contribute meaningfully to the

24:48

conversation. Price is actually like, just not

24:50

there for most artists and you can't

24:52

really blame. This is not what they

24:54

do every day in else like they're

24:57

musicians, they're actors, they're. Ah, In

24:59

the public eye and you want them

25:01

to use that platform for good, but

25:04

also you want them to do it

25:06

with a sense of understanding and knowledge

25:08

and wisdom and connection to activists and

25:10

organizers and experts and. Everybody.

25:12

Does not able to do that and

25:15

so I think we all as fancy

25:17

Be careful, what we ask them to

25:19

do is just effects. You might not

25:21

get what you one thing out of

25:23

that a conversation and engagement. That is

25:25

true. Even. Door spine again

25:27

as he said, you'll be on the

25:30

trail later this year Swarm Why doesn't

25:32

this raises so damn close Written. I.

25:34

Think is closed because it's always

25:37

close, and particularly in this era,

25:39

the nation is pretty evenly divided.

25:42

And every elections been closed. a

25:45

home I can't remember next election

25:47

m I live down there hasn't

25:49

been a mean I guess. Ah,

25:51

before I was voting with Reagan

25:53

but since then. You

25:56

know, they've all been close in. The nation's

25:58

pretty evenly divided and then the of. For

26:00

college. makes it so that it's

26:02

even closer. Then. You

26:04

know the popular vote would even suggest. Because

26:07

it's all hinges on. you know,

26:09

for five, states usually doesn't fit.

26:12

Voters. Have I have trump amnesia?

26:14

I do think they forget and. You.

26:17

Know sometimes people, particularly when they

26:19

think about what's happening palestine and

26:21

they're upset and they're frustrated. With

26:24

Biden and. Rightfully.

26:27

So like we should be frustrated

26:29

and we should be pushing Ah,

26:32

President Biden and administration. To.

26:35

Really? Be cognizant of of you

26:37

as leverage and power in the

26:40

region and where our funds and

26:42

are weapons go. All of that

26:44

is really important and I'm glad

26:46

that progressives are speaking out and

26:48

holding present buying as be to

26:50

the fire. but. At. The same

26:53

time. This. Election is between Donald

26:55

Trump and Joe Biden. Like

26:57

as. Much as we like enjoy

26:59

the conversation around third parties and

27:01

how exciting it fills the like.

27:03

have other choices? Ah, the bottom

27:05

line is one of those two

27:07

people is going to be President.

27:09

And it's so abundantly clear to

27:11

me that Joe Biden to be

27:13

the President when I decide between

27:16

Joe Biden and Donald Trump is

27:18

not even a conversation even close

27:20

to me. Ah, what the moral

27:22

right thing to do for the

27:24

country and for the world. It's.

27:27

Real like Joe Biden. It appears

27:29

that. From. The polls from Focus

27:31

Groups from just talking to People

27:33

is it. And some election results

27:35

over the last several years as

27:37

well, The Biden is particularly struggling

27:40

with some young voters. Black voters,

27:42

Latino voters particularly young black males,

27:44

and young black. and young or

27:46

latino males To sort of a

27:48

male, there's a gender yeah, ah,

27:50

discrepancy here. I do you think

27:52

that as well? I think. Trump.

27:55

Performs a former masculinity that I

27:57

think is attractive. The some people.

28:00

The. To. Be clear, like black

28:02

men, even an uptick for for

28:04

Trump is still a landslide provide

28:06

for sure. So black men are

28:08

overwhelmingly more than any other race

28:10

of men are supporting Joe Biden.

28:12

Very to ah but you know

28:14

there is an uptick and that

28:17

up. It may be enough to

28:19

win Wisconsin or maybe enough to

28:21

a Michigan or wherever. And so

28:23

you know is an issue that

28:25

the campaigns and have to deal

28:27

with and so. But

28:29

I do think Trump perform the

28:32

former masculinity that is appealing to

28:34

some men: black, white, hispanic, In.

28:36

A across the board and on.

28:39

That may explain the uptick. And

28:41

then you know I hear a

28:43

lot of misinformation and this information

28:46

about. The. Economy under Trump

28:48

and what's happened since. And

28:50

to be clear, like the

28:52

economy. Is doing quite

28:55

well. We we came back from

28:57

ah a pandemic. The.

29:00

Unemployment rate is extremely low,

29:02

or like crazily low is

29:04

low among black people, of

29:06

low among Hispanics, as low

29:08

among the entire nation, and

29:10

particularly because of some of

29:13

the a. Particular. Types

29:15

of. Economic.

29:17

Bills that Joe Biden past. It's actually

29:19

going to be quite helpful to men.

29:21

Ah, because of the manufacturing jobs that

29:24

are coming back to the country, the

29:26

construction, infrastructure jobs that are coming back

29:28

to the country. So if you are

29:30

informed about that and you objective li

29:32

are observing what's going on with the

29:34

economy you would say actually Biden is

29:36

really great for the economy and his

29:39

date for men in the economy because

29:41

he's bringing back the types of jobs

29:43

that men often do and so am

29:45

I think. Getting. More education out

29:47

there about what's going on with the

29:49

economy and how helpful is going to

29:51

be that he pats past the climate

29:53

bill which was called the you know,

29:56

the Ira but but it was basically

29:58

the most massive climate bill and. History

30:00

The United States in History of

30:02

the World probably on all these

30:04

things are like amazing. Accomplishment.

30:07

That I don't feel like is getting any

30:09

credit for and I don't think people understand

30:11

what kind of impact as having and is

30:13

going to have. I know growing up in

30:15

Ohio. so me, the jobs that. My.

30:18

Parents. And their generation work

30:20

and a lot of people might work

30:22

in a future our manufacturing. my dad

30:24

was an auto worker and the fact

30:26

that there is such a boon and

30:28

electric vehicles and the batteries and all

30:30

the things that go into making those

30:32

and that a lot of those are

30:34

being made in the United States now

30:36

is going to really help Ohio. You're

30:38

going to help Georgia. It's going to

30:40

help. Tennessee is gonna help a lot

30:42

of these places and so I think

30:44

more people need to understand that's what's

30:46

happening. and that Joe Biden and a

30:48

democratic senate. And Congress. Passed.

30:50

These things to make our nation better and

30:53

stronger. I do think there's a. Psychological.

30:56

Effect as seeing. Higher.

30:58

Prices to and face and yeah once

31:00

license and emotion and about which hit

31:02

every country Yes assists and I think

31:04

people need understand what happened with inflation

31:06

to. after the pandemic we had a

31:09

supply issue. We had all these other

31:11

issues that made in place and go

31:13

up all over the world and he

31:15

went down faster. In America we recovered

31:17

from the pandemic better than any other

31:19

developed country in the world's yeah we've

31:21

done that. Bidens done that. The democratic

31:24

senate and house was was in charge

31:26

for the first two years of his

31:28

administration's. Did that by and the

31:30

said of course, but. All.

31:32

Working together our economy. Came.

31:35

Back more quickly and better than any

31:37

economy around the world. Yeah I do

31:39

wonder like. Do. You talk to

31:41

people who are. Wavering. And

31:44

if you do talk to someone who's wavering,

31:46

what would your message be less about? Ah

31:48

screw with people who might be may be

31:50

there by in this is a visitor. Voters

31:52

that turbines and comes with people who vote

31:54

for him. And twenty twenty. And. Are

31:57

now thinking either. Maybe. Trump.

31:59

May. Be. They home. Maybe. Third party.

32:02

Y. Think the economic issue is

32:04

always important and it's hard to

32:07

like convince someone if they don't

32:09

want to. Believe. It

32:11

But the truth is of economics.

32:13

Doj for Biden is actually quite

32:15

clear. Like a the. Actions

32:18

that they're by the ministration took

32:20

in the first two years, really?

32:22

Made. Our come back stronger. And.

32:25

Better than any other. Come back around the

32:27

world and so I feel like if that's

32:29

the reason if you think Trump is going

32:31

to be better on the economy now arm

32:34

and then ah, Trump. When he

32:36

comes back he's made made it clear that

32:38

couple of things he wants to get done

32:40

pass or another tax cuts for really rich

32:42

people. And. He's

32:46

also on the economy. A promise to

32:48

roll back all the green economy things

32:50

that are buying has done. He sat

32:52

with billionaires and told them I'm going

32:55

to cut your taxes and then he

32:57

sat with oil billionaires and told them

32:59

that I'm gonna roll back every climate

33:01

legislation that Biden put in place and

33:04

if you care about either those issues

33:06

like no way do Not vote for

33:08

hims and then. A

33:11

more of us are becoming aware

33:13

of this project. Twenty Twenty Five

33:15

issue. Ah, on every issue we

33:17

care about the Heritage Foundation which

33:19

is buried. Conservatives and the Mega

33:22

Coalition have come together to say

33:24

Here's how we want to completely

33:26

remake the Executive Branch so that

33:28

we put our people are people

33:30

without expertise but who are politically

33:33

loyal to us in places all

33:35

throughout the Executive Branch to make

33:37

sure that we get our way

33:39

on everything whether it's reproductive rights,

33:42

Whether. It's ah, ah.

33:44

environmental regulations. Whether it's

33:46

ah, immigration enforcement, and

33:48

whether it's like. Just

33:50

pick and choose what they want to

33:53

prosecute in the Justice Department's They've decided

33:55

we're going to take over all these

33:57

levers of government take out career. Our

34:00

government employees who have expertise in the

34:03

subject matter and put in our political

34:05

appointees and we're going to implement this

34:07

product twenty twenty five and is gonna

34:10

be so young for anybody who doesn't

34:12

agree with them and men like. I

34:15

can't imagine. thinking. When.

34:18

The choice is between bind and trump, which it is.

34:21

That. There's. Any. Equivocation is clear.

34:23

Biden needs to be reelected. I.

34:25

Do think that. Celebrity.

34:28

Endorsements Notable people being out there talking

34:30

about why it's important not to elect

34:32

Trump again Why Biden is the right

34:34

choice is actually could be more effective

34:36

this cycle than others just because the

34:38

biggest challenges attention right now. The way

34:40

because of the media environment. Now he

34:42

that media's fractured, the way the people

34:44

have turned away from the news, turned

34:46

away from politics of less of a

34:48

years because they're just sick of it

34:51

for good reasons and so people are

34:53

grumpy about stuff and they don't really

34:55

know why in the going to blame

34:57

by now. Isn't it creating a permission

34:59

structure where it's okay to vote for

35:01

Joe Biden if there is? right now

35:03

it feels. In the culture sounds

35:05

and for people who are paying attention to

35:07

politics, it feels uncool to whether Nobel and

35:10

cool and you know they're both oh man

35:12

in his heart. Yes, for people and they're

35:14

like. They. Both decline in

35:16

their ability to like, talk to

35:18

the people and and just seem

35:21

a vigorous and energetic and it's

35:23

hard for you to get excited

35:25

about that. but like you out,

35:27

the vote for harm reduction to

35:30

likes clearly trump. Is extremely

35:32

harmful to this nation. Yet

35:34

our democracies to women's rights,

35:36

to our civil rights, to

35:38

immigrants rights like. on so

35:40

many issues, it's clear and

35:43

if you only vote. Because

35:45

of the Supreme Court by death

35:47

Row. Because. Just think

35:49

about the Supreme Court what's

35:51

gonna happen? The orders members

35:53

right now? Or Clarence Thomas

35:55

and Samuel Alito, the two

35:57

most ridiculously fervent conservatives like.

36:00

Radically conservative people say again,

36:03

insurrection flags in their first

36:05

yards like us. You

36:07

know how radical you have to beat

36:09

the hang of Insurrection flag in your

36:12

front yard? So. As soon

36:14

as Trump gets elected, they have the

36:16

permission to retire and he's gonna replace

36:18

them with a thirty nine year old

36:20

that has their own likes flying objects

36:22

and for that has a same ideological

36:24

bands. Yeah, but it's gonna live for

36:26

another forty years and serve on the

36:29

court like. And we have to

36:31

hope it's Sonia Sotomayor Kagan. Five letters

36:33

fuck know like no way the like.

36:35

That is reason enough to be urgently

36:37

for Joe Biden. Yeah no I think

36:40

that's well said John License Thank you

36:42

as always for come around pauses America

36:44

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