0:20

Welcome to Potsave America, I'm Jon Favreau. I'm

0:22

Dan Pfeiffer. On today's show, Donald Trump and

0:24

his goons are planning to lock up Democrats

0:26

if they win. One of

0:28

those goons, Steve Bannon, is finally going to jail.

0:31

Joe Biden makes the case for

0:33

democracy at the D-Day anniversary in

0:35

Normandy, and Republicans block a bill

0:37

that would protect access to birth control.

0:40

But first, it has been a

0:42

week now since a jury unanimously found

0:44

Donald Trump guilty of committing 34 felonies.

0:48

This comes after another jury found

0:51

the Trump Organization guilty of 17 felonies, and two

0:54

separate juries found Trump liable for

0:56

sexual abuse and defamation. All

0:59

unanimous verdicts as well. He's not doing so

1:01

well with the juries, Dan. That's

1:03

a lot of jurors. That's a lot of jurors

1:05

and four different juries. Just nah, he's struck out.

1:08

He's owing 42 jurors. Did

1:11

you just do some fast math there? I

1:13

think so. We'll see if it's right or not. It's definitely not

1:15

right. Does it have to be a multiple of 12? You

1:19

know, it's fine. We'll

1:22

take care of it in post. And

1:24

we're finally starting to see some evidence that

1:26

the small slice of persuadable voters who hadn't

1:29

yet made up their mind about the election

1:31

might not want to reward an

1:34

unrepentant criminal with the job of running

1:36

the country. The New

1:38

York Times re-interviewed nearly 2,000 swing

1:41

state voters who participated in their

1:43

last poll and found that Trump

1:45

lost 7% of his voters. 3%

1:50

said they're now backing Biden. 4%

1:52

said they're now undecided, taking Trump's

1:54

previously three-point lead down to one point.

1:58

The Times also interviewed some... of these

2:00

voters and did a separate focus group

2:02

of undecided voters, as did our

2:04

friend Sarah Longwell, all of which we

2:06

can talk about. But first, what's

2:09

your take on the post verdict

2:11

polling? And more

2:13

importantly, does it tell you anything about how

2:16

we should talk about the verdict with

2:18

undecided voters? Yeah, there are a

2:20

couple of interesting things from the polls. One, we should

2:22

be, even though the numbers are smaller than

2:25

common sense or common decency would suggest in

2:27

terms of wanting a convicted

2:29

felon to be President of the United States,

2:32

it should be encouraging to everyone that things

2:34

matter, right? This does actually matter. It's 70%

2:36

of voters, not a lot of voters,

2:38

but it is more than enough to tip the White

2:40

House one direction or the other. So

2:42

in that sense, it's a very big

2:45

deal. The overall magnitude is not great,

2:47

but the impact in a race this

2:49

close is seismic, potentially. Now

2:52

if you look across all the polls, one

2:54

of the main takeaways is that Biden's number doesn't

2:56

really move. Maybe it goes up a point, a

2:58

lot of times it stays the same. What is

3:00

happening is that Trump is losing voters and most

3:02

of them are going in either into the undecided

3:04

column, right? Even undecided in this case could mean

3:06

maybe they're going to back Trump again. Maybe

3:09

they're going to back a third party candidate like RFK Jr.

3:11

Maybe they're not going to vote at all. That might be

3:13

the most likely scenario, or they might vote for Biden. Now,

3:16

Trump losing a voter is

3:18

a minus one for him, right?

3:20

It's a net vote gain for Biden. If

3:23

Biden gets that voter, it's a net

3:25

to vote gain for Biden. So that

3:28

is what we want. We want to move them, not

3:30

just undecided, we want to move them to pro bite.

3:32

And so which my takeaway from this is we have

3:34

a lot of work to do, right? That there is

3:36

an opportunity here. It is not going to be realized

3:39

right immediately because not only are these folks moving to

3:41

undecided, in the data for progress

3:43

poll that Tommy and Odysseus talked about on

3:45

Wednesday's podcast, 60% of their

3:48

swing, identified swing voter universe are not paying close

3:50

attention to the trial. That is a much larger

3:52

percentage in the overall electorate. So the voters we

3:54

need the most are paying the least attention. But

3:57

what we have seen is the, when those voters hear

4:00

about it, it causes them to rethink Trump. So

4:02

that is an argument for Democrats to keep talking

4:04

about this, to keep hammering it, to keep making

4:06

it part of the larger argument against Trump. Yeah.

4:10

And in the New York Times survey of the

4:13

2000 people that had already polled

4:15

a couple of weeks ago, a sizable

4:17

share of that group, 16%, said

4:21

they hadn't heard enough about the verdict

4:23

to say whether they approved or disapproved.

4:26

And more than a quarter of

4:28

those voters paid little or no attention at

4:30

all to the trial. The

4:33

other interesting thing is the most likely

4:35

people to switch their votes away from

4:37

Trump and also towards Biden, younger

4:40

voters, nonwhite voters, disengaged

4:43

voters, people who hadn't followed,

4:46

who haven't been following the news that closely, Biden

4:49

2020 voters who had previously said they

4:51

were voting for Trump and

4:54

the double haters. So the voters

4:56

who said that they disapprove of both Trump and

4:58

Biden. So the very voters

5:00

that Biden had been struggling

5:02

with in a lot of these polls are

5:05

the voters who when they heard about the

5:07

verdict, tended to

5:09

have second thoughts about voting for Trump,

5:12

which I thought was very interesting. I also

5:14

want to dig into sort of why people switched, which

5:17

again, the New York Times did

5:19

interviews with some of these voters that they polled. They

5:21

also had, there was another focus group as well. You

5:24

know me, I love, love focus groups. Why

5:26

do you love focus groups, Sean? Because I

5:28

host another podcast called The Wilderness. You should check

5:31

out this Sunday. We have another episode of The

5:33

Wilderness coming. This is going

5:35

to focus on black voters, persuadable black

5:37

voters who have not yet decided

5:39

who they're going to support. So tune

5:41

in guys, tune in. So

5:43

some of the, some of the reasons people switched. One

5:46

guy in Nevada said that he

5:48

actually wants to see if Trump gets jail

5:50

time or not. And that's really, he's, he's,

5:52

he's now undecided. He's gone from pro-Trump to

5:54

undecided. And I think if Trump gets jail

5:57

time, he's going to be more likely. This

5:59

is a Christ. and Soltis Anderson is a Republican

6:01

poster. She wrote a whole piece about this in the

6:03

New York Times that there's actually a lot of voters

6:05

who jail time will make the difference for them. So

6:07

I thought that was interesting. Well, I would fucking hope

6:09

so. I

6:11

mean, but my thing is like, why do

6:13

you need the jail? The conviction seems like

6:15

it should be enough. Even if you were

6:17

like kind of iffy on maybe was a

6:19

fair trial if you care that much about

6:21

falsifying business records to interfere in an election,

6:25

a president in prison seems like

6:27

kind of a monkey wrench in the

6:29

works here. I

6:32

think for people who weren't paying attention to the trial or

6:34

who still haven't paid attention that much, jail

6:36

is a signifier that it is a more serious

6:38

offense. Yes. Oh, you get like, you know,

6:41

community service or whatever. A guy

6:43

in Georgia said, my thing is just go ahead

6:45

and be honest. We as Americans, we can respect

6:47

that. A lot of people make mistakes. And

6:50

he said he's very worried that Trump would seek

6:52

retribution against Democrats, which we're gonna talk about. But

6:55

that is interesting too. It's sort of why I

6:57

was, I keep calling him an unrepentant criminal. There

6:59

are people who you look at Donald Trump and

7:01

he's just showed, he's showed no remorse. He has

7:03

admitted nothing. He has said that he's made no

7:05

mistakes. It's just like victim, victim, victim. And I

7:07

think that probably doesn't land well with a lot

7:10

of people. And then there was an interesting, there

7:12

was a woman in Pennsylvania who volunteers with

7:14

people who've been incarcerated. You don't wanna

7:16

dig in too much on this woman because

7:19

they said that she was a Biden voter

7:21

who then decided she was gonna vote for

7:23

Trump because Joe Biden allowed Roe

7:25

v. Wade to be overturned and didn't

7:28

do anything about it. That's

7:31

right. So just, you

7:33

know? But she

7:35

said, if a person who received 34

7:37

felony convictions in one day can still run for

7:39

president, why can my guy not apply for a

7:42

job at a gas station? It's not that Trump's

7:44

guilty. It's the fact that he can still carry

7:46

on his life without any kind of hurdles. This

7:48

to me is, I think,

7:50

maybe the most salient argument

7:53

for a lot of people. And

7:55

this goes to Trump

7:57

trying to say, oh, you know, there's a lot

7:59

of... black Americans who identify with me now and

8:01

who are gonna vote for me because they've

8:04

experienced unfairness with the criminal justice

8:06

system. And he's trying to

8:08

say that the unfairness in the

8:10

criminal justice system, which a lot of people will believe

8:12

it's unfair, that he's trying to

8:15

make himself be part of that, to

8:17

get sympathy. And I think

8:19

you have to separate him from most

8:22

other defendants, most other people

8:24

who've been convicted, most other people

8:26

who've gone to jail. Because Donald

8:28

Trump, he plays by a different set

8:30

of rules from everyone else, right? He's

8:33

just been charged and convicted of 34 felonies. He's

8:36

got another 54 felony charges

8:38

that he's awaiting. And

8:41

he might not have to go to jail.

8:44

He gets to be President of the United States.

8:47

And most people can't even, when they leave jail, they can't

8:49

even vote, they can't get a job. And

8:51

Donald Trump gets to do whatever he wants because he's Donald Trump.

8:53

Like I do think that's a pretty powerful argument. The

8:56

idea, well, I'm not sure this is the right

8:58

public message, but just as a point. Imagine

9:01

how blatant and stupid a criminal

9:03

you have to be to be

9:06

one of the richest, most politically connected white

9:08

men in America and still get convicted on

9:10

34 felonies in like six seconds. It's

9:13

just that it is right there. I

9:16

think one of the things about how we talk about

9:18

this is it's

9:22

not enough just to call him a convicted felon. Although

9:24

I think we should do that because people

9:26

have not yet paid attention. So we cannot

9:28

allow this to be memory hold like so

9:30

many other previous transgressions, but

9:34

it should not be about saying what

9:37

kind of person Trump is. Because that is

9:39

baked into the cake. People, they're either gonna vote for

9:41

an asshole, they're not gonna vote for a selfish asshole.

9:44

They know that about him. So you have to spin it

9:46

forward to make it be about what kind of President Trump

9:48

will be. As evidence of the

9:50

core part of the argument, that

9:53

Trump is only in this for

9:55

himself. And his presidency is gonna

9:57

be about avoiding further legal accountability,

9:59

helping himself. able

12:00

to cover up $130,000 bribe to Daniels. If

12:03

he can't pull that off, I'm not going to

12:05

trust him with a nuclear football. So that person

12:07

is now voting for Biden because Trump is not

12:09

a good criminal? Yes. OK. Good.

12:11

You know what? You know what? We'll

12:13

take the votes wherever we can get them. Every

12:15

vote counts the same. Just

12:19

voters, you know? It's amazing. Well, before we

12:21

change this, have you seen the ad that

12:23

the Republican voters against Trump did a few

12:25

months ago, where they tried to

12:29

get jobs working at a shopping mall

12:32

with Trump's resume? No.

12:34

This is pre-conviction. It's

12:37

not like actors. They sent real people in, and

12:39

they blurred out the faces saying, could I work

12:41

here if I was convicted, if a court found

12:43

me guilty, liable for sexual assault, or all of

12:45

the other things that Trump did? And

12:47

I think it's a really interesting way to

12:49

sort of just make

12:52

it feel real to people, like

12:55

what the actual impact is. In two ways, right? It

12:58

seems like, to a lot of people, it's political, and it's

13:00

out there, and it's New York and all this, but

13:03

it brings it down to the level of, would

13:05

you hire a person who had just been convicted

13:07

of this exact crime to do things like, oh,

13:09

I don't know, manage the economy for somebody who

13:11

just was convicted of 34 counts of falsifying business

13:13

records? And it also shows, then

13:16

it gets to the second point you highlighted, which is a

13:19

normal person couldn't get a job at a mall with this

13:21

on their record. And Donald Trump gets to be president of

13:23

the United States, and that there is this two-tiered system of

13:25

justice where rich, powerful people like Donald Trump were above law.

13:27

And that's a system he wants to perpetuate. Just

13:30

on stage today in Arizona, he was

13:32

doing, he brought on stage Sheriff Joe

13:34

Arpaio, a person convicted of crimes that

13:36

he pardoned, because he was

13:38

a political crony of Donald Trump's. And

13:40

so that sort of crony

13:42

is a political crony is a corruption is a helpful argument

13:45

that can be tied to this as well. Convicted

13:47

of crimes, Joe

13:49

Arpaio, just again, everything gets

13:52

memory hold. He brings

13:54

Joe Arpaio on stage, Joe Arpaio up on

13:56

stage. He kisses him. He

13:58

says, I don't kiss men, but I'm kissing. Joe

14:00

Arpaio, I guess, like, happy pride. Did you watch

14:02

the video? I did watch the video. There

14:05

was a kiss. The

14:07

team said, we should play this clip, and I said, well,

14:09

you know, it's an audio medium, but maybe we should put

14:11

it on social media. But

14:13

the less funny point is, Joe

14:16

Arpaio, like, bragged that

14:18

his jails that he ran were

14:21

concentration camps. He literally said that he was

14:23

proud that they were concentration camps. He

14:25

denied food and medical care to prisoners. He

14:28

was found by the courts to violate the

14:30

Eighth Amendment against cruel and unusual punishment. He

14:33

installed a live video feed camera

14:35

in the woman's holding cell. I

14:38

mean, it was torture, what Joe Arpaio

14:40

did. He would not just racially

14:43

profile, he would like lock up people

14:45

just because they spoke Spanish, and so he suspected

14:47

that they might be undocumented immigrants, even if they

14:49

were citizens. I

14:52

mean, it's just, and then found guilty of a whole bunch

14:54

of crimes, and then of course pardoned by one

14:57

convicted felon, pardon, now by another convicted felon,

14:59

Donald Trump. And he brings him up on

15:01

stage. That's who Donald Trump is.

15:03

That's what we got to, that's what we're

15:05

working with here. All right, before we break,

15:08

we are officially less than three

15:10

weeks away from the publication

15:12

of our book, Democracy or Else, How to

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15:29

would say, I was only a little

15:31

offended as you went through, that was

15:33

on all the emails where everyone you wanted

15:35

was not available.

15:38

And then you finally asked the guy who was already

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staying in the same hotel as you. I

15:43

honestly, I didn't even think about

15:45

it, and then part of it was like, we just

15:47

asked you to do so much, I'm like, why are we asking Dan to

15:49

do this fucking book event? It would be like his one night off. I'm

15:52

happy to do it, you guys did many of my

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book events. We appreciate that. If you're

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will be moderating, Alyssa Mastromonaco,

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16:06

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16:28

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16:30

that's exciting. Dan's gonna have plenty of survivor

16:33

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16:35

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17:07

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17:10

now, we just gotta get on it, really. And

17:12

now it's crunch time. I

17:15

think we're already, maybe we'll beat Kristi Noem,

17:17

maybe we'll beat the Dog Killer, but there's

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17:52

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rig the bestseller list because that's what the right does.

17:58

They buy books in bulk to. The

22:00

reason, like your original question was, will Donald Trump

22:02

have the power and desire to do this? Of

22:05

course, he had the desire to do it last time.

22:07

There is all the reporting and all the

22:09

books talked about him wanting to investigate his

22:11

rivals, right? He spun up the Durham report

22:14

to try to go after the people investigating

22:16

him for collusion with Russia.

22:18

He talked about jailing opponents. Jeff

22:21

Sessions told investigators, told Mueller's

22:24

investigators that Trump wanted him to investigate

22:26

and prosecute Hillary Clinton. If you remember,

22:28

Jeff Sessions recused himself. Trump was angry

22:31

because he, and that's what Sessions testified.

22:33

He wanted him to investigate and prosecute

22:35

Hillary Clinton. And that's when Sessions replacement

22:38

Bill Barr had John Durham open up

22:40

an investigation that eventually led to the

22:42

Clinton campaign. Reports about him

22:44

fulminating about the IRS auditing opponents, right?

22:46

All of these we knew we wanted

22:48

to do. And the only reason it

22:50

didn't happen, and it really is sort

22:52

of by the grace of God,

22:54

is there were people in power

22:57

who were as bad as they were, right?

22:59

Like we're relying on the gravitas

23:02

and morality of Jeff Sessions preventing it

23:04

from happening, right? Jeff Sessions, Bill Barr,

23:07

John Bolton, these sorts of people, right? These

23:09

are not heroes of democracy by any choice

23:11

in imagination, but they did not follow

23:13

through on Trump's orders. And there

23:15

was also a sense that the rest of the Republican

23:18

party, particularly the folks in Congress, would not go

23:20

along with this sort of stuff, right? That this was

23:22

a bridge too far for them. Well, flash

23:24

forward to 2025, and all

23:26

of those safeguards are gone. Every person Trump hires

23:28

will be an extreme loyalist

23:30

willing to go to the hilt

23:32

to implement whatever Trump's desires are. And

23:36

then the reaction within the party

23:38

to Trump's conviction in these investigations

23:41

is that retribution against political

23:43

opponents is now that

23:45

is an accepted Republican party policy. And one

23:48

of the most disturbing things was, this was

23:50

mentioned in the New York Times article from

23:52

Maggie Haberman, Jonathan Swan, and Charlie Savage, sort

23:54

of detailing some of these conversations in the

23:56

party, is this

23:58

article from John Yee. I

30:00

really do think you can fit all of these issues and

30:02

all of these moves that Republicans have made over the last

30:04

several years into this bucket of,

30:06

they want to take away your freedoms

30:08

if you don't agree with everything they

30:11

agree with. The Biden campaign

30:13

is gonna air an ad on

30:15

Thursday night during the NBA

30:17

finals that is about, it's

30:20

called flag, it's about freedom and democracy. It doesn't address

30:22

this specifically, but it is about, this

30:25

election is a battle for freedom

30:27

and democracy and American values against this extremist

30:29

movement that wants to overturn elections, take away

30:31

your freedoms. And that is like, you

30:34

will have to build this story into it, but that

30:36

is the larger frame. I think it's a very good

30:38

spot. And then the other thing is, again, the

30:41

reason it didn't happen last time is because he

30:43

didn't have the right people in place.

30:45

Trump will next time have plenty of

30:47

administration officials and outside advisors encouraging him

30:49

to take revenge. Stephen Miller, who

30:52

has been floated as Trump's next White House chief

30:54

of staff, potentially, how fun would that be? Good

30:56

times. Is urging Republican

30:58

district attorneys openly to start prosecuting

31:01

Democrats now. As you

31:03

mentioned, potential vice president Marco Rubio tweeted

31:05

that it's time to fight fire with

31:07

flame emoji, flame emoji, flame emoji. And

31:11

here's MAGA podcaster Tim Poole

31:13

and self-described Islamophobe Laura Loomer

31:16

talking about jailing and executing Democrats.

31:18

Should Democrats be in jail? No

31:20

question. When Donald Trump gets elected,

31:22

should he start locking them up? No question. Should

31:25

there be lists of Democrats that need to go to jail? If

31:28

they go to the Texas jail, they should get the death penalty. You

31:30

know, we actually used to have the punishment for treason in this country.

31:33

Death penalty. A reminder,

31:35

Trump lets Laura Loomer ride around with him on

31:38

his plane. It calls her very

31:40

special. Tried to hire her to

31:42

work on the campaign until some of

31:44

his staff found out and they put the kibosh

31:46

on it last minute. She

31:49

said she wants to be press secretary in the

31:51

next Trump White House. Does this seem

31:53

like information we should get in front of

31:55

American voters about all these kooks connected to

31:57

Trump? We just talked about Joe Arpaio.

42:00

in half of the election could be

42:02

Trump on trial for January 6th and

42:04

we might not get a verdict till afterwards. So like we

42:06

don't really know how this is

42:08

gonna go. Oh, I don't think they're gonna succeed. They

42:10

may not succeed in completely delaying

42:13

the case until after the election,

42:15

but certainly it's not gonna be

42:17

very timely at this point. So

42:20

let's talk about the other president running for

42:22

a second term who hasn't been charged or

42:24

convicted of any crimes. That's

42:27

the low bar there. Joe Biden, president

42:29

is in France right now with other world

42:32

leaders to commemorate the 80th anniversary of D-Day.

42:35

He sat down with ABC's David Muir

42:37

for an interview where he pledged not

42:39

to pardon his son Hunter if he's

42:41

convicted. He also said that Trump

42:43

got a fair trial. He also gave

42:46

a nice speech on Thursday. Let's hear a

42:48

clip. And make no mistake, the autocrats of

42:50

the world are watching closely to

42:52

see what happens in Ukraine, to

42:55

see if we let this illegal

42:57

aggression go unchecked. We

43:00

cannot let that happen. To

43:03

surrender to bullies, to bow

43:05

down to dictators is simply

43:07

unthinkable. And

43:10

where we should do that, it

43:17

means we'd be forgetting what happened here in these

43:19

hollow beaches. Make no

43:21

mistake, we will not bow down.

43:24

We will not forget. So

43:26

Politico reports that Biden aides have

43:30

been pretty open about their desire to see Biden

43:32

compared to Ronald Reagan who delivered the

43:34

famous boys of Ponda Hawk speech at the

43:36

D-Day anniversary in 1984. One

43:39

of the better speeches, one of the better presidential speeches

43:41

I would say. Why do you think

43:43

they want that comparison? The New York Times also just wrote

43:45

a piece about this as well. I think you sent it

43:47

to me. There was always

43:50

a tension between the communications

43:52

department's desire to get the

43:54

speech coverage and the

43:56

speech writer's desire to manage expectations for said

43:58

speech. Like you are

44:00

a very level-headed guy. You're frankly a

44:02

pleasure to work with in any environment,

44:05

White House, media company. But

44:07

the times when you would get a little heated would

44:09

be when you felt like we

44:12

were overselling the speech. And

44:14

I can imagine this is just really putting a lot of

44:16

pressure on it. Oftentimes you oversell the speech. Well,

44:20

you know what? Trying to keep your tree from falling in

44:22

the woods and no one hearing it. It

44:28

just feels like we're so, even

44:30

from when we were in the White House,

44:32

we're like so, the media environment is just

44:34

so different now. Just the idea that, because

44:37

I saw that the campaign sees this is

44:39

like a tent pole event for the campaign.

44:42

This Normandy thing. It's like, I mean, I wish

44:44

that were so, but like we

44:46

can barely get, you know, prime time speeches. His

44:49

State of the Union, which was excellent. The

44:51

new cycle was like a day after that. No.

44:54

And like now we're gonna get a Normandy speech is

44:56

a bit, I mean, it's just, it's tough. Like

44:59

I had some real like White House

45:02

PTSD over this whole thing.

45:04

Cause there is just

45:07

in general, if you were

45:09

someone who works, who's were domestic political considerations

45:11

in an election year or part of your

45:13

job portfolio and the president

45:16

is headed to France for five days, like

45:18

that drives you insane. And then

45:20

you're always working with

45:22

the national security folks, always been

45:25

in Tommy to try to find

45:27

a way to reverse engineer some

45:30

domestic thing in there of value, even though the time zones

45:32

all fucked up. Your speech is in the middle of

45:34

the day, or if you're in Asia in the middle of

45:36

the night, no one ever sees it. You know, like

45:38

we're gonna go visit a place where they're, you

45:41

know, they're offloading cars made in America, or we're

45:43

gonna like, we went to Ireland to

45:45

do a thing at an Irish pub because there are

45:47

a lot of Irish voters in Pennsylvania,

45:49

right, or whatever. And

45:51

so you're always trying to do it. I can't imagine

45:54

this is actually anyone believes is to actually be a

45:56

tent pole, but I will say there was

45:58

a CNN story. That's

48:00

what I would say. It is, I mean, we

48:02

talk about the difference between... And I'm speaking, by

48:04

the way, where this, you're gonna hear this on

48:06

Friday, everyone. You're hearing this on Friday. And that's when

48:08

Biden gives the big Ponda Hawk

48:10

speech. He gave one on Thursday as well.

48:12

That was the clip you just heard. But you're

48:14

right. I think the effort that you mentioned that

48:17

CNN reported on, that they're reaching out

48:19

to Republicans, because a lot of these like never

48:21

Trump Republicans, whether you're Adam Kinzinger,

48:24

Liz Cheney, or whatever,

48:26

Chris Christie, have talked

48:28

about how the Biden White House or

48:30

campaign more likely hasn't really reached out

48:32

to them. And it's good that that

48:34

process has begun, I think. Because

48:37

you're gonna need a big tent and

48:39

every last voter to beat Donald Trump. Finally,

48:42

and yet another reminder of what's at stake

48:44

in this election, Donald Trump's Senate loyalists blocked

48:46

for the second time a bill that would

48:48

protect access to birth control for all Americans.

48:51

Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski were the

48:53

only Republicans to join Democrats in supporting

48:55

the bill. In case

48:58

you're wondering why there's a need

49:00

to protect access to birth control,

49:02

Republican legislatures in Missouri and Idaho

49:04

are already pushing bills to block

49:06

plan B and IUDs, while Republicans

49:08

in Nevada, Virginia, Arizona, and Wisconsin

49:10

have also blocked bills that would

49:13

protect birth control in those states.

49:15

Republicans in the Senate gave several reasons

49:17

for not supporting the bill that include

49:19

the claim that it would force Catholic

49:21

schools to hand out condoms to little

49:24

kids. It would not. It

49:26

could be used by a judge to

49:28

mandate gender change procedures. That

49:31

was from Marco Rubio, also not true. And

49:33

that the bill is unnecessary because there's just no

49:35

real threat to birth control. What do you think,

49:37

Dan? No real threat? Well,

49:40

I'd say politicians are

49:42

political animals, right? And the right

49:44

to contraception polls at like 80%. So

49:46

if there was no real threat and a

49:48

poll at 8%, it really kind of makes you wonder why they wouldn't just

49:50

vote for it. Maybe it's

49:52

because they don't wanna protect contraception

49:54

and they wanna take it away and they wanna leave

49:57

them that out. I

50:00

mean, you know what? You can go through

50:02

plenty of quotes from people, oh,

50:05

abortion safe, Roe was safe,

50:07

it's not gonna go away, it's never gonna go away,

50:09

and then dobbed happens. And if you,

50:11

again, you've gotta look at some of these, like

50:14

the real red states, the super

50:17

red legislatures, states like Idaho, where

50:19

you're starting to see some interest

50:21

groups, some activists, some super right-wing

50:24

legislators, and they're

50:26

starting with IUDs and

50:28

Plan B, because there's real

50:31

hardcore anti-abortion advocates who believe that

50:33

life begins at fertilization,

50:36

and so that's how they'll start targeting it,

50:38

and it's just gonna go from there. And

50:40

the fact that Republicans, look,

50:43

if Republicans are running around saying,

50:45

this is just fear-mongering, and we actually support

50:47

birth control, and this is crazy, and Democrats

50:50

are just trying to score political points, okay,

50:52

well then, vote

50:54

for a bill that would protect birth control access. Seems

50:56

pretty obvious, I mean, Roe was

50:59

first, and Griswold v. Connecticut

51:01

is second. That's the original decision

51:03

which ensured the right

51:05

to access contraception. The right

51:07

has been talking about going after that for a long

51:09

time, and some of the discussion after dobs, that was

51:11

seen as what is next, and so no

51:14

one should be surprised if the

51:16

court is hearing a case about the right

51:18

to contraception in the first couple years

51:20

of the Donald Trump presidency, and think about what happens

51:23

if Donald Trump gets to appoint three new judges, right?

51:25

Which is a real possibility. Who

51:28

I'll think, like Clarence Thomas did, that we

51:30

should reconsider Griswold. And also,

51:32

you know, because Trump can say whatever he

51:34

wants. Trump's like, oh, no, I like birth

51:36

control. You know, just today, just before he

51:38

brought Joe Arpaio up on stage

51:40

for a kiss, he was introduced

51:42

at the Turning Points USA town hall

51:45

by Charlie Kirk, the founder of Turning

51:47

Points USA. Charlie Kirk, who

51:49

says, birth control, quote, screws up

51:51

female brains and creates a

51:53

bitterness that leads them to become Democrats.

51:56

And then he told people to make sure their loved

51:58

ones aren't on birth control. Trump said

52:00

he's great. Charlie Kirk also, by the

52:02

way, said that Martin Luther King Jr. was awful and

52:05

that the Civil Rights Act was a

52:07

mistake. These are the people around Donald

52:09

Trump. Where are they

52:12

gonna end up if he's president? Some in the

52:14

White House, some in the administration, some

52:16

will be in all of the agencies when he

52:18

purges all of the non-political

52:20

appointees in the federal government and replaces them

52:23

with MAGA loyalists, and of course, some of

52:25

them will just be his media allies outside.

52:28

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52:30

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