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1:57

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my god. That guy's yeah he's got it coming.

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3:56

Yeah. No masking the

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4:01

kind of message, Fauci? Did you see him throw

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that ball out at the Nationals game, at the

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baseball game when he threw that first pitch? How'd

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he do? Terrible. Oh, man. So don't, yeah. This

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was like years ago. I'm just trying to go

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down the road of attacking him. Anyway,

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I thought you were gonna bring out

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he did. Anyway, our book, we don't talk about,

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none of that is part of our book. Our

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well as a lot of the advice we got

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the book where someone said he appreciated that it

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that's a beautiful thing. I thought you were saying reads like people. No, no, no.

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5:16

in my stomach every time I say this, but the

5:18

first debate between Joe Biden and Donald Trump is Thursday.

5:21

As of now, it's actually happening. Joe

5:23

Biden's prepping with his advisors at Camp David.

5:26

Donald Trump is prepping in public with his fans.

5:28

On Saturday, Trump spoke at a rally in Philly

5:30

where he attacked the debate moderators and pulled the

5:33

audience on whether or not he should be civil

5:35

to Biden at the debate. I'll let

5:37

you guess what they preferred. He also

5:39

trotted out the Biden will be on drugs attack

5:41

again. Only this time he added that

5:43

Biden will be getting a quote, shot in the ass.

5:46

And in case that image isn't enough for

5:48

you, Trump also talked about taking off his

5:50

own shirt at the Faith and Freedom Coalition's

5:53

annual conference in DC, where he cast himself

5:55

as a martyr for

5:57

all of the quote wounds he's received and also

5:59

said a bunch of other. crazy shit, let's listen. If

6:01

I took this shirt off, you'd see a

6:03

beautiful, beautiful person,

6:06

but you'd see wounds all over,

6:09

all over me. I've taken a lot of wounds, I

6:11

can tell you. More than

6:13

I suspect any president ever. Who

6:16

likes to 10 commandments, by the way, going up in

6:18

the schools? They

6:22

think it's such a bad thing. I said, has anyone

6:24

read the, thou shalt not

6:27

steal, thou shalt, I mean,

6:29

has anybody read this incredible

6:31

stuff? It's just incredible, they don't want it

6:33

to go up. So you gotta get out

6:36

of vote, just this time. I don't care,

6:38

in four years you don't have to vote,

6:40

okay? In

6:42

four years, don't vote, I don't care,

6:45

but we'll have it all straightened out, so it'll

6:47

be much different. You guys realize there's a

6:50

non-zero chance he just read the

6:52

10 commandments before that

6:54

event. Well, I think that he- This

6:57

is some great stuff, have you seen this? I also think

6:59

that he could only- A lot of vows, a lot of

7:01

vows, what's going on there? I actually think he didn't read

7:03

any of them. I think he could realize that the only

7:05

other one he could remember is thou shalt not commit adultery.

7:08

And so he's like, thou shalt not steal, thou shalt

7:10

not, ooh. Yeah,

7:12

he's really gone, he's really gone over on

7:15

those. He's of course talking

7:17

about the 10 commandments because the governor

7:19

of Louisiana just signed a law requiring every

7:21

public school to display them in the classroom,

7:23

which is something the Supreme Court said was

7:25

unconstitutional. And Kentucky tried it back in 1980,

7:28

but of course, new Supreme Court, new

7:31

state trying it, so who knows? Why do you

7:33

guys think Trump's still pandering to Christian

7:35

nationalists now that we're in the general election?

7:37

Seems like he's already got their votes, really

7:39

leaning into the

7:41

Jesus comparison there, the

7:43

martyr and the wounds, he's going really

7:46

embracing that. I do think it's worth pointing

7:48

out that five presidents were shot while

7:51

in office. That's a good point. So they probably

7:53

had it worse and more wounds. The horse fell

7:55

on top of Ulysses S. Grant. I'm reading his

7:57

personal memoirs. I'm reading. I'm

8:00

reading his memoir. You guys, he's been talking about

8:02

it nonstop. I feel like I know

8:04

the whole book. Hey, listen, Ulysses S.

8:06

Grant, great writer, huge fan. Also, 10 Commandments is a

8:08

lot like our book where it could have been nine

8:11

chapters, you know what I mean? Yeah, like, I mean,

8:13

by the way, two of them are about coveting and

8:16

then acting on the coveting. Right, right.

8:18

Don't commit adultery, but also don't lust

8:20

after your neighbor's wife. Everyone's broken that

8:22

one. I hear. Who

8:25

lives down the block? What

8:27

are we talking about? Anyway,

8:33

what do you guys think about the pandemic? What does he

8:35

do at the Faith and Freedom Conference in DC? Do you

8:37

think they booked that in advance? They thought maybe the primary

8:39

would still be happening? No, well, he says at the top

8:41

of it that they tried to cancel it, but I told

8:44

him I'm too afraid to not go to the Faith and

8:46

Freedom Conference, so they moved it to during the day

8:48

so he could do the rally at night. Is he afraid he might

8:50

go to hell? Yeah, or yeah,

8:52

I think so. I think so. But

8:54

I just view it as he's gone

8:57

every year because I think that we

9:00

forget because it feels like another era, but at the

9:02

beginning, these were the people that went with Ted Cruz.

9:04

These are the people that he had to kind of

9:06

shore up. And so I think he views it as

9:08

like, keeping these people happy is

9:11

just a useful thing to do. At

9:13

the end of the day, I think every campaign he's run

9:15

is just a base turnout election. And I think that there

9:17

was a 2021 Pew poll about kind of

9:19

like religion and public life. And in

9:22

that poll, 54% said the federal government should

9:24

enforce the separation of church and state. And

9:27

you would imagine that putting the 10 commandments

9:29

in public schools under cut set. But 30%

9:31

want public school teachers to

9:34

be allowed to lead students in Christian prayers, 46 do not. So

9:36

I think the general population generally opposes

9:39

what he's offering there, the policies putting

9:41

forward. But I think he knows that

9:43

his base is animated by right-wing

9:46

Christian nationalism. And they're more likely to hear

9:48

what he's saying here than kind of your

9:50

average voter who might be offended by this.

9:53

Yeah, no, I think that's right. I think

9:55

that the vulnerability for

9:57

Trump and the general election is...

10:00

this Christian nationalist project 2025

10:02

stuff. I

10:04

think people are, even some

10:06

people who've probably voted for him in the past

10:08

are a little creeped out by some of the

10:10

Mike Johnson wing of the party, the

10:12

Mike Johnson wing of the party. And I

10:15

do think the country is more

10:17

religious than some liberals might believe,

10:19

but I don't think people want

10:21

the 10 commandments in your kid's

10:23

school. I don't wanna, like, even if

10:25

you, even if, you know, like I grew up

10:27

Catholic, I wouldn't want the five, I don't want

10:29

the 10 commandments posted in the school, separation of

10:32

churches. It's pretty foundational to the country. Well, there's

10:34

a funny moment in this, in at the faith

10:36

and freedom summit where he says, you may got,

10:38

you, like he's getting tons of applause. They're loving

10:40

every second of it. And then he goes, now

10:42

this crowd may not care as much about this,

10:44

but they're also going after Catholics and it was

10:46

a little bit of a, it's

10:48

like, hey man, long history there. Yeah. Long

10:51

history keeps, you're waiting into some, some troubled waters.

10:53

He's not up to speed on the Huguenots. Yeah.

10:57

The Huguenots. I was

10:59

just in North Carolina for a couple of days and I

11:01

was with a few different local candidates

11:03

and abortion is a huge

11:05

issue. The extremism of the Republicans on democracy is a

11:07

huge issue. But the other really big issue that a

11:09

lot of these candidates were talking about was

11:12

the Republican legislature taking money from public schools and

11:14

giving them to private and religious schools. And it's

11:16

just a really big issue down there. And I

11:18

feel like this is all part

11:21

of that sort of right word, Christian nationalist

11:23

thing. I think a lot of people don't

11:25

like. This was at the end of what,

11:27

a 90 minute or nearly 90 minute speech.

11:29

So just at the very end of the

11:31

speech, he gets into education and he's hitting

11:33

all the, he's hitting the 10 commandments. He's

11:35

talking about money for homeschooling, to

11:38

help pay for supplies for homeschooling. But

11:41

then in a run, he basically says this. And

11:43

I will not give one penny to

11:45

any school that has a vaccine mandate

11:47

or a mask mandate. And

11:50

I will shut down the federal department of

11:52

education and we will move everything back to

11:54

the States. And you know what

11:56

we'll do? We'll give them about half the money that we

11:58

send them now. And for half

12:01

the money, they'll have a lot of money

12:03

left over. We'll cut our budget in half

12:06

and we'll spend less than half the money

12:08

on education. We're going to save a

12:10

fortune. Look, I know we're a nerd to Trump. That

12:13

has to be one of the most

12:15

unpopular things a mainstream candidate has said

12:17

in a very long time. We're going

12:19

to have education funding. You put that,

12:22

we're going to get rid of all

12:24

vaccine mandates. All of them. That's measles

12:26

and mumps. That's a bunch of childhood

12:28

illnesses. Oh, yo. That's whooping cough. Let

12:30

me tell you what happened there. At

12:33

Camp David, where Joe Biden is prepping debate,

12:35

I can imagine, I will bet you that

12:38

someone saw that tweet. That

12:40

Trump just said that. Maybe our

12:42

pal Ben LeBolt and alerted Mike Donilon and Ron

12:44

Klain and everyone else, and Anita Dunn, everyone else

12:46

at debate prep. And they instantly said, this has

12:48

to be a moment at the debate because you're

12:51

right. That is like cutting education in half. Some

12:53

people don't understand the like, we're going to have

12:55

take it from the federal government and give it

12:57

to the states because it sounds like, oh, then

13:00

the states can control it. But actually admitting that

13:02

you're going to cut it in half. You

13:05

put that you say, these are two, I

13:07

mean, honestly, those are two ads. You do

13:09

the vaccine ads, by the way, side by

13:11

side with outbreaks of preventable childhood illnesses. We've

13:13

seen them in Florida. We've seen them elsewhere

13:15

because of this anti-vax fervor. That's one thing.

13:17

The fact that he has already told corporations

13:20

he wants to cut their taxes again. You

13:22

put that side by side with we're going

13:24

to cut education funding in half or we're

13:26

going to save a fortune. That is terrible

13:29

politics. And, you know, Trump goes in front

13:31

of these crowds and he's just used to

13:33

the fact that that that he's he that

13:35

that that most of what he says in

13:37

these speeches just basically goes unnoticed by anyone

13:39

who wasn't in the room. But that was

13:41

very bad. That is very bad. So,

13:44

yeah, one of the things that overshadowed

13:46

that comment was Trump

13:48

continuing to accuse Biden of taking

13:50

debate performance enhancing drugs. His

13:52

surrogates are getting in on the game to Dr. Ronnie

13:55

Jackson, congressman from Texas, is

13:58

apparently sending a letter to the White House.

14:00

demanding a drug test before the debate. Ooh,

14:03

a letter. Are these people fucking serious? Like,

14:05

Loved, you got any funny ideas for one-liners if

14:08

this comes up in the debate? I had one

14:10

pitch. I had one pitch, and here's my pitch.

14:14

You know, Donald, I am on a performance-enhancing

14:16

drug, and I'll tell you right now what it is.

14:19

Right before I come out on stage, Jill and I find

14:21

it very privately. Oh, no. Where

14:23

no one can see. And she tells me she loves me. And

14:26

to have that kind of love, that true love... Ooh.

14:30

Which you and I both know so well. That's

14:33

all I need to come out here. Which you and

14:35

I both know so well. Just hit him, just like,

14:38

because, you know, look, I've had

14:40

the love of my life by my side

14:42

at every debate, every big

14:44

decision, and that kind

14:46

of love, you know it, Donald. I think he should just say,

14:49

yeah, I am. What's it to you, narc? Yeah,

14:51

just gonna say, what are the ethics of PEDs? What

14:55

are we doing here? What are we debating, Barry Bonds being in the Hall

14:57

of Fame? What are we even talking about? None

14:59

of your business, Donald. Take your own shit.

15:01

Take whatever you need, Joe. Now

15:03

we're dodging the question. I hope he does get a

15:05

fucking shot. I hope they give him whatever they get.

15:07

I do, Secretary. Yeah, I don't care. Take whatever you

15:09

need. Whatever you need to do, buddy. It's actually very

15:11

controversial to say that Secretary was using performance enhancing. Well,

15:13

I think all of the horses were at that time.

15:15

They all were on certain kind of steroids. But everyone's

15:17

like, wow, when he died, his heart was four times

15:19

the size of a normal horse's heart. It's like, why

15:21

do you think that happened? Because he loved you deeply.

15:23

Yeah, that's right. Anyway, Dr. Ronnie, keep sending your fucking

15:26

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going. Well, let's go.

15:55

Pots of America is going on tour. He's

15:57

probably asleep right now, but if he were...

16:00

We're conscious. You'd be so, so

16:02

jealous. The Democracy Rails tour begins in Brooklyn

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16:11

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16:22

also been telling a news story on

16:24

the campaign trail about how he told

16:26

Dana White, who runs the Ultimate Fighting

16:28

Championship, that he should set up a,

16:30

quote, migrant league of fighters who

16:32

would compete against UFC fighters. Here

16:35

he is over the weekend saying this. And I

16:37

said, Dana, I have an idea. Why don't

16:39

you set up a migrant league of

16:42

fighters and have

16:44

your regular league of fighters? And

16:47

then you have the champion of your league. These

16:49

are the greatest fighters in the world. Fight the

16:51

champion of the migrants. I think the migrant guy

16:53

might win. That's how tough they are. He

16:56

didn't like that idea too much, but actually it's not

16:59

the worst idea I've ever had. That's

17:03

true. That's true. He's

17:05

had worse ideas. Give me your huddled masses

17:07

and I will put them in a cage

17:10

fighting league as public spectacle. We're just doing

17:12

gladiators, right? That's just gladiator. We're just bringing

17:14

back gladiators height. Just gladiator. Gladiators 2 is

17:16

coming out soon. This could be some sort

17:19

of sponsored content opportunity. I mean, on brand

17:21

for the xenophobic game show host, I guess.

17:24

Yeah, he's just, he's finding a

17:26

silly way to say that there

17:29

are superhuman monsters. Dehumanize.

17:31

Yeah. He likes to

17:33

do dehumanized people who aren't American. That's

17:36

his stick. It's always interesting when you road test these

17:38

lines for the first time and you can hear the

17:41

audience being like, oh no, no, no, no, no. They're

17:43

kind of offended by that. Not offended,

17:46

but they're shocked by it at least. Well I'm not

17:48

surprised that Dana White didn't think it was a good

17:50

idea and he's no Lib. No, he is not. He

17:52

is not. So Trump's talking a lot about

17:54

migrants in the run up to the debate and

17:56

he's been hinting at how he might attack

17:58

Biden on the issue. Tuesday night, spoiler,

18:01

he's not gonna challenge him to the migrant league,

18:03

but Greg Sargent over at the New Republic wrote

18:05

a piece about how Trump posted the news of

18:08

the gruesome murder of a girl

18:10

in Texas, allegedly by two

18:13

men with records of violating immigration law,

18:15

called it, quote, a new Biden migrant

18:17

killing, and said, quote, I look forward

18:19

to seeing him at the fake debate

18:21

on Thursday, let him explain why he

18:23

has allowed millions of people to come

18:25

into our country illegally. In other news,

18:27

Trump also said on the All In

18:29

podcast last week that he would

18:31

automatically issue green cards to immigrant students as soon

18:33

as they graduate college, but that

18:36

was a statement his campaign immediately

18:38

walked back by saying the policy

18:40

would apply only to extremely skilled

18:42

graduates, and that eligibility would, quote,

18:44

exclude all communists, radical Islamists, Hamas

18:46

supporters, America haters, and so on.

18:50

First of all, what do you guys make

18:52

of Trump and his campaign trying to tie

18:54

Biden to any bad crime committed by an

18:57

undocumented immigrant? I mean,

18:59

it's a continuation of what he's been doing. I

19:01

mean, remember back around the State of the Union,

19:03

Republicans were very focused on the murder of a

19:05

woman named Lakin Riley in Georgia, who was allegedly

19:07

killed by someone who was in

19:09

the US illegally. So I'm not at all

19:12

surprised he didn't do this. I mean, the

19:14

challenge here for Biden is stories like

19:17

the ones he's trying to tell that are kind of

19:19

lurid and specific

19:21

and emotional are powerful and memorable, and

19:23

you have to figure out a way

19:25

to push back that isn't just with

19:27

statistics, lest you look kind of like

19:30

Mike Dukakis at a

19:32

debate in the past when he was asked

19:34

about capital punishment and whether he

19:36

would be in favor of capital punishment if someone

19:38

were to murder his wife and responded in sort

19:40

of a robotic way. I think that's like kind

19:42

of the test case reporters are always thinking about

19:44

in the back of their head. So he's got

19:46

the fear of a way to push back, but

19:48

also go on offense on this and talk about

19:50

the reality of crime under the Trump administration when

19:52

statistics went way up. Yeah, love it. How do

19:54

you think Biden should respond? Yeah, so here's

19:57

sort of how I sort of responded to it.

19:59

And, you know, there was a Greg Sargent wrote

20:02

a piece and he asked

20:04

James Carville, he asked Dan Pfeiffer, he asked

20:06

you, John. Me. You, John are

20:09

in that piece. And I- I brought this to

20:11

my attention. I feel like there was, you

20:13

know, I think there's a

20:15

few different points to make, but I think

20:17

it is worth saying some version of, these

20:20

are horrible crimes, and some of these

20:22

folks have been in and out of the country for years, even

20:24

while you were present. Of course. And we

20:27

have to solve this problem. And I got a

20:29

group of people together to solve it, Democrats and

20:31

Republicans. And you know who killed that? You

20:34

killed it. Why? Because you were worried

20:36

about the politics of actually solving this problem because you want

20:38

the chaos and you care more about you than you care

20:40

about what happens on the border. Now, I know Joe Biden

20:43

is never going to say something like this, but it would

20:45

be something like, and so if you want to find out

20:47

who has blood on their hands, look in the mirror. But

20:51

that's not the Joe Biden I know. Well, the other thing

20:53

is, I think that's all right. And then Trump's going to,

20:55

Fox News and the right wing media have

20:58

been linking these murders also

21:00

to Joe Biden's new policy they announced last week

21:02

that we talked about where he is granting

21:05

a pathway to citizenship for two

21:07

spouses, undocumented spouses of American citizens

21:09

who've been here for 10 years.

21:12

And they're somehow saying that that's going

21:14

to cause more migrant murders, which is

21:16

fucking preposterous. And so, you

21:18

know, if you're Biden, you say, look,

21:20

my plan is about keeping families together

21:22

who've been here for years, who are

21:24

law abiding citizens and

21:27

their undocumented spouses and children. Your

21:29

plan is about ripping families apart, which is what

21:31

you did when you were here as president. And

21:33

by the way, crime rate is now lower than

21:35

it was when you were president. So maybe you

21:37

should explain why, maybe you won't say blood on

21:39

your hands, but you can say, maybe you should

21:42

explain why the crime rate spiked when you were

21:44

president, when you left office, and now it's lower.

21:46

And by the way, of course we should go after anyone

21:50

who commits murder, undocumented or not, like as hard

21:52

as we can, right? Yeah, I think there's a

21:54

simple way to say it too, like there

21:57

was a crisis at the border the day I walked

21:59

into office. There's a crisis on the

22:01

border on day one. This is because you didn't

22:03

solve it. You talked about it,

22:05

you scapegoated people, you yelled about it, you

22:08

talked about it while you didn't build it,

22:10

and we're gonna try to solve it. Because you can't

22:12

solve it, you wanna yell about it. Because you don't

22:15

really care. You're using the, in a typical disgusting manner,

22:17

you are using these murders to make a political point

22:19

about the border, because you don't really care about the

22:21

border, you don't really care about immigration. You just care

22:23

about the politics. You think it wins you votes. Yeah.

22:25

That's it. We'll see. What

22:28

do you guys think about the green card? The

22:30

old green card to the diploma. Love it, I'm sure you remember this, because how

22:32

many times do we write the line for Barack

22:34

Obama? It's a very

22:37

old proposal. The second I saw it,

22:40

the second I saw that Trump had said this, I

22:43

didn't look at an article, before I even saw any

22:45

news about it, I was like, he talked to a

22:47

rich person. Exactly. He talked to a

22:49

rich person, a Silicon Valley type person, who

22:51

says this kind of thing, and he just

22:54

repeated it, because he was talking

22:56

to other people that he thought might like it, and

22:58

so then the campaign had to walk about it. Yeah,

23:00

this is part of a little sales pitch that he

23:02

gives to get money from naive idiots in the business

23:04

world or in Silicon Valley. By the way. And

23:06

he found a few at the All In podcast. He

23:08

sure did. He found a whole bunch. And by the

23:10

way, he's absolutely never going to go through with this

23:12

proposal, if elected. His entire base wants to limit immigration.

23:14

There's no way. Well, how do we know he won't?

23:16

Because he was president for four years, didn't

23:19

do it, didn't want to do it, opposed it. But this

23:21

is part of this broader wish list, which is like tax

23:23

cuts. Now he's flip-flopped on cryptocurrency.

23:25

Now he's the crypto guy. He's going to

23:27

cut regulations. But yeah,

23:29

these Silicon Valley types are

23:31

basically desperate for software engineers to come into

23:33

the country. But in practice, what this would

23:35

do would be to give green cards to

23:38

lots and lots of students from China and India. Like more

23:40

than half of foreign students in 2022 and 2023 were

23:43

from India and China. But on the

23:46

stump, Trump talks about migrants from China

23:48

as enemies, literally an army. He talks

23:50

about military-aged males coming to the country.

23:53

What's a college student? I also think this is another, the

23:56

details of the actual issue aside. It

23:58

is a... it is a

24:01

signal to a certain class of like

24:03

kind of, they think they're a non-ideological,

24:05

they think they're apolitical, but they're kind of

24:08

like anti-woke rich people who just think the

24:10

left has gone crazy. And this is a

24:12

permission structure to say, see he's not, yeah,

24:14

he says this stuff, but look, look, he'll

24:17

do H1B visas, he's okay. It's not so

24:19

scary. It's also for the shrinking, almost non-existent

24:21

Wall Street Journal editorial reading section

24:23

of the Republican party that's almost gone now. Like,

24:26

see, I'm gonna be a little, The Paul Ryan's

24:28

of the world. Even though, again, the reason this

24:30

policy is not real because Barack

24:32

Obama proposed it, Hillary Clinton proposed it in 2016, is

24:35

because you just can't find enough Republicans

24:37

in Congress to go along with it.

24:40

Could have passed this legislation anytime

24:42

in the last two decades. Republicans

24:44

wouldn't do it. Yeah, I mean, the other

24:46

sort of interesting thing that came away from

24:49

that long, terrible interview was Trump

24:51

is clearly doing debate prep, but lying and

24:53

saying he's not. Because he's like, I

24:55

don't need to debate prep, I don't do it, why would

24:58

I even bother? And he's like, I was reviewing a video

25:00

of Joe Biden. I was like, debating Paul Ryan. You're like,

25:02

ah, that sounds like homework, sir. That was

25:04

very funny, by the way, when he was like, they're

25:06

like, what do you, the Allen hosts were like, give

25:09

us debate predictions. And he's like, well, people

25:12

keep saying Joe Biden's, you know, not great,

25:14

but he, I watched him debate

25:16

Paul Ryan. He demolished Paul Ryan. It's like,

25:18

you also watched him debate someone else. You,

25:21

though maybe you don't remember because you were

25:23

like so fucked up from COVID when you

25:25

were like just spraying everyone in the debate

25:27

room with your germs in the first debate.

25:29

You did debate Joe Biden twice. Yeah,

25:33

I rewatched the first debate on the

25:35

flight last night. He did? Why? That's

25:38

cool. Way better than I remembered. I had a great

25:41

time. Now he does look so beat red. He looks

25:43

like he's like in a sauna. He's so angry. Can

25:45

you give us some highlights? What was your favorite part of

25:47

that? What was my favorite part? What was your least favorite

25:49

part? Let me pull up my notes. Okay, one really important

25:51

thing. I mean, we'll get to this in the abortion section,

25:54

but Biden says abortion is on the ballot and Trump's

25:56

like abortion is not on the ballot. How do you

25:58

know that? Barrett thinks about

26:00

abortion. That's so funny. So I'm sure that will

26:02

come back. Yeah, I hope so. That's good. Trump

26:05

apparently, when he was in Philly, talked to

26:07

a reporter and said that he has picked

26:09

the VP in his mind. He hasn't

26:11

told anyone and that person will be at the debate.

26:13

Which is, I'm so curious. Like, do you think that

26:16

means that he invited all the candidates

26:18

to the debate and it's like an awkward,

26:20

they all show up? Or is it just,

26:23

because otherwise it's just, everyone's going to know.

26:25

Like if just Doug Burgum comes to the

26:27

debate, we know it's Doug. But maybe Doug,

26:29

Marco, and JD will all be

26:31

there. Who knows? Interesting, interesting. Yeah, I mean, or maybe

26:33

he's just lying, which he always does anyway. Right. If

26:35

he doesn't care that they feel uncomfortable or that it's

26:38

weird, he just wants them to come and be there

26:40

and to see who comes. Yeah, it's the apprentice. It

26:42

would be funny to make them all share like a

26:44

hold room or even a hotel room. Put

26:46

them all in the same suite and there's a camera there. Yeah.

26:50

Yeah. And Burgum's like, Marco, can you

26:52

pass the Diet Cokes? Something

26:54

like that. I like that. Sure,

26:58

why not? Yeah, and that kind of

27:00

like, that kind of back and forth.

27:02

Camera parts. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, like,

27:04

can I, I'm going to, no, you,

27:06

OK. JD, can you pass

27:08

the Daily Stormer? No?

27:10

OK. Mark Roobers, I'm sorry. Replace

27:12

the toilet paper next time. Mark Roobers, like, do you guys mind

27:15

if I put on white noise and he presses it and it

27:17

just screams? I

27:19

can't fall asleep without something really to distract me.

27:23

One other thing of note, Trump mentioned over the weekend, he talked about

27:25

the third party candidates on the

27:27

ballot and praised two of them in particular.

27:29

Here's a clip. Cornel West, he's one of

27:31

my favorite candidates, Cornel West. And

27:34

I like, I like her also, Jill Stein.

27:37

I like her very much. You know why? She takes 100% from them.

27:41

He takes 100%. Just,

27:43

just reading the stage directions right there.

27:46

By the way, this happened to be the same day

27:48

that Cornel West announced that he's collected enough signatures to

27:50

appear on the ballot in Michigan. Yikes.

27:54

You guys think Trump's own words here could be an

27:56

effective argument to third party voters? I know we've talked

27:58

a lot about, you know, someone who's

28:00

thinking about voting third party, hey, you're just gonna

28:02

let Trump is not always effective. But when you

28:04

have Trump out there saying, hey, this is gonna

28:06

help me, I don't know. I think so. I

28:08

think it's helpful. I throw it in there. I

28:10

really like it. I think it's a good thing

28:12

to get out there. You know, look, this thing

28:14

potentially comes down to so few votes. And I

28:16

do think that there's, you know,

28:18

that subset of people that when

28:21

they're told that they're voting for Trump have a

28:23

kind of obstinate and like, well, you know, I

28:25

didn't choose these candidates and you know, Biden

28:28

has to persuade me, all the kind of stuff you'll hear from the kind

28:30

of group of people that are most amenable to

28:32

someone like Cornel West. And I think having Trump to say it directly

28:34

is pretty hard to argue with. How

28:36

worried are you about Cornel West, Tommy? Quite, quite.

28:38

He's on the ballot in Michigan. And then there's

28:40

a bunch of Republican operatives who have been working

28:42

to get signatures to get him on the ballot

28:44

in North Carolina. So were North Carolina to become

28:46

like a real swing state, it could be a

28:48

challenge there too. I mean, I think for anyone

28:50

who has like third party curious

28:53

people in their lives, I do think when you're trying to

28:56

dissuade them from that vote, you have to be

28:58

careful not to just immediately go to shouting at

29:00

them and saying, you're just voting for Donald Trump.

29:02

Cause a lot of these third party voters are

29:04

what they call double haters, which is a

29:06

really dislike either candidate and they're

29:08

thinking about staying home or third party. Or

29:11

if you just sort of like, if your only

29:13

appeal to them is you might elect Donald Trump,

29:15

that's not necessarily something that animates them the way

29:17

it does us. I do think though, highlighting

29:20

the cynicism of Trump's

29:22

comment and his staff's efforts to get

29:24

these candidates on the ballot just to

29:26

harm Trump, maybe that will feel insulting

29:28

to them. I was just gonna say

29:31

it is, that's what, it feels like Trump is insulting

29:33

them and that might piss them off.

29:35

When you, I've been listening to

29:37

focus groups with these third party voters and there are

29:39

some who are like, honestly, it's just, it's a moral

29:41

thing. I can't look at myself in the mirror. I

29:43

know that I'm throwing away my vote. I

29:46

know that I don't like Donald Trump, but I'm just gonna

29:48

do it anyway. Those people, those people you're probably not gonna

29:50

get, but there are, there have been a lot of people

29:52

in these groups who are, they don't pay a lot of

29:54

attention to politics, but they pay enough attention to know that

29:56

they're like, you know, I'm considering third party, but I just

29:58

don't wanna throw away my vote. Like they

30:00

know that it's thrown away their vote. So I

30:02

think letting people know that it's

30:05

like a mathematical impossibility for some of

30:07

these candidates, just about all of them

30:09

except maybe RFK Jr. to win because

30:11

they're not on the ballot in enough states, which will certainly

30:13

be the case for Cornel West. He won't

30:15

be on the ballot in enough states to get to 270. Jill

30:18

Stein, because she's Green Party, she'll

30:20

come closer. RFK Jr. could come

30:22

closer, but it's still, I think one

30:25

step is telling people that it's a mathematical impossibility for

30:27

your candidate to win. Yeah, I also, I think there's

30:29

people out there that say like, every

30:32

four years you come to me and you say, vote for the lesser

30:34

of two evils, vote for the less of two evils. And I don't

30:36

wanna do it anymore. I just can't do it anymore. And

30:38

I do think that there's an

30:41

argument to be made to that kind of person in

30:43

this moment that is about putting a vote

30:45

for Joe Biden in the broader

30:47

context of building power and

30:50

how as much as this may not be

30:52

the candidate you wanted, a

30:54

vote for Joe Biden helps you to be

30:57

in a position to like make the change

31:00

inside of the Democratic Party in a

31:02

bigger way over the next several years. And that

31:04

we, that no, you may not be happy with

31:06

your choices, but you

31:08

know, a world where Joe

31:11

Biden is president is a world where the change you

31:13

want is possible. A world where John Trump is president

31:15

is a world where it's not. And you could just

31:17

go to a couple core issues like, hey, have you

31:19

noticed that it's the hottest year on record every year?

31:21

Do you believe climate change is real? Okay, well, one

31:23

person did something about climate change, which is Joe Biden.

31:25

The other doesn't believe it's been made. The other thinks

31:28

it's cool because it'll mean more beachfront property as well.

31:30

Do you think that women should be able

31:33

to make their own healthcare decisions? Okay, well,

31:35

Joe Biden does too. Donald Trump

31:37

is gonna restrict women's healthcare as much as

31:39

humanly possible, especially abortion access. So I

31:41

mean, I would just go to like issue areas

31:44

and try not to make it entirely personal. I

31:46

had a friend tell me who's like very unhappy

31:48

with Joe Biden and been at protests over Gaza

31:50

to say like, you know what? You're protesting Joe

31:53

Biden right now. Voting for Joe Biden gives

31:55

you the opportunity to keep protesting. How did that take

31:57

it? Because- Oh my God.

32:01

I knew I had to be you. I knew I

32:03

had to get ahead of you. See, oh, you saw

32:05

roads in New York. That's... The

32:08

chance to keep protesting. There it is.

32:12

Whatever it takes, guys. Whatever it takes. We

32:15

haven't heard a lot from Biden lately because he's been holed up in debate

32:17

prep at Camp David, but campaign

32:19

aides did talk to the New York Times for a piece about

32:21

how the sides are preparing and what they hope to get out

32:23

of it. One thing I thought was pretty interesting in the piece

32:25

is that the campaign doesn't think the debate, even

32:27

if it goes very well, is going to

32:30

immediately change things in terms of polling, but

32:33

that it will be, as the piece says, quote, the starting

32:35

bell for the general election. What do you guys think? Are

32:37

they trying to lower expectations there in case it doesn't go

32:39

well, or do you think they're right about how much it

32:41

will move numbers? It feels like both and great. I was

32:43

like, oh, that does make sense to me, and like, why

32:46

does it make sense to me? And

32:48

I think it's in part because one

32:50

thing we've talked about is, right, that these Senate candidates,

32:54

like Bob Casey or Ruman Gayego, are running a little

32:56

bit ahead of Biden. Are those people

32:58

that are right now saying they're either Gayego

33:02

Trump or Gayego undecided? Is that real? What does it mean

33:04

to bring them home? And so a lot

33:07

of what Biden is trying to do is get people

33:09

who right now are frustrated by the choice, maybe

33:12

less engaged, to go from saying they're

33:14

undecided or saying they're for Trump, but

33:16

on some fundamental level understand the stakes

33:18

to finally say, yes, even

33:21

though they're not super happy about the state of things, they're going to

33:23

do the right thing. That's a

33:25

sort of unusual kind of persuasion that might not

33:27

show up because of one debate. It's going to

33:29

happen over time, especially as we get closer and

33:31

closer to the election. Yeah. What do

33:34

you think, Tommy? I asked Chad

33:36

GPT to make up some Trump-style nicknames for the moderators that

33:38

I'd like to read to you now. Oh, okay. Wow. So

33:40

he just didn't want to... I did it as... You

33:43

know what? I'll take it. No, I love it. He's going

33:45

to let that bitch go by. I'll answer the question. I

33:47

mean, I talked about this a day and last week too.

33:49

I think four months is a lifetime in politics. We memory

33:52

whole literally everything. So they can, of course, come back from

33:55

something that's not good. I think... If you can

33:57

come back from an insurrection, you can come back

33:59

from a bad debate. senior moment. There is, I

34:01

think, though, like, dark.

34:03

Dan argued that, I mean, I agree with Dan's

34:05

point, which is like, I do think that Joe

34:07

Biden's age is a threshold question for a lot

34:09

of voters. And what they want to see Thursday

34:11

night is something that gives them confidence in his

34:13

ability to do the job for another four years.

34:16

I think they feel like the state of the union

34:18

was one of those moments where he looked like sharp

34:20

and on it and was punchy and giving it back

34:22

to the Republicans when they're heckling him. And

34:25

so hopefully we'll see a similar version of

34:27

Joe Biden. Now, like, he will likely stutter.

34:29

He will likely mumble through an answer. There

34:31

will be moments where all will cringe, whether those

34:33

will be kind of deal breakers for voters. Like,

34:36

it would probably take something pretty significant. You know

34:38

what the truthful spin is? I don't

34:40

care if Joe Biden forgets his name and falls

34:42

off the stage, still voting for him over Donald

34:44

Trump. That's where it's coming.

34:47

I mean, it's just like, well, sure. And at some point they

34:49

are, but we lose our credibility when we say that. But

34:53

like that, I disagree. I think

34:55

with the, at the core of what the Biden campaign is

34:57

trying to do here in all of their spin that

34:59

is not quite like that, but is it's like they are

35:02

trying to get the focus on Donald Trump, right? And

35:04

the threat that Donald Trump poses. And

35:06

I think what probably frustrates that campaign to no end,

35:08

and you're right, it is a threshold, the age is

35:10

a threshold question for most voters. And the campaign acknowledges

35:12

that for sure. But I think what frustrates them is

35:14

like, however, Joe Biden performs Thursday

35:16

night, Donald Trump is still Donald Trump. He

35:18

has still done all the things Donald Trump

35:20

did. He still wants to do all the

35:22

things Donald Trump will do. And that will

35:25

mean fucking disaster for the entire country. So

35:27

whether it's Joe Biden or any candidate up

35:29

there, like we've, we've got to like suck

35:31

it up and, uh, and go make sure that Donald

35:33

Trump doesn't win. Well, sure. Yeah, no, totally. I'm just,

35:35

I'm not arguing against any. No, no, no. I think,

35:37

I think that kind of points to what a, what

35:40

a good outcome versus a bad outcome of the debate is. And

35:42

a good outcome of the debate is a debate in which Donald Trump

35:44

is saying Joe Biden's on drugs and the

35:46

conversation is about how extreme and

35:48

dangerous. Yeah, sure. Exactly.

35:51

Well, hair, he

35:53

can't agree to hair.

35:55

Yeah. I mean, I think

35:57

what you're getting at is the fact that debates are. stupid

36:00

and irrelevant and have no bearing on the job

36:02

of president. Right. I mean, obviously

36:04

like the sort of these

36:06

two individuals are completely different. And one

36:09

has a set of policy views that would be good

36:11

for the country and one is a disaster. But for

36:13

some reason, we've decided that two old men standing at

36:15

a podium, yelling at each other for 90 minutes gives

36:18

us some sort of insight. Well, and unfortunately, it's it

36:20

is valuable and relevant just for the reason that you

36:22

just mentioned, which is we memory hold

36:24

everything. So just to refresh everyone's memory about

36:26

who these two men are and what they

36:28

stand for is probably important. And I'm just

36:30

going to spare both of you the fact

36:32

that the reason I think we have debates

36:34

as an important form for making political decisions.

36:36

Ulysses S. Grant. Is masculinity. Talk to masculinity.

36:39

Sure. That's part of it. Jake

36:41

spent a lot of time on Hillary Clinton's campaign. Jake

36:44

Flapper. Uh-huh. Tap dance

36:47

Jake. Uh-huh. Jabbering Jake. These are Chad

36:49

GPT and I mean. Have you run

36:51

these by Jake? Dana Smash. Oof. Rethink

36:54

that one, Microsoft. Bashful Dana Blabber

36:57

Bash. These aren't very good. It's

36:59

not there yet. Jakey Tappy. That's

37:02

funny. I still think Trump's fake

37:04

Tapper is probably the. Yeah, fake Tapper just sitting there.

37:07

Dana the Scoop Bash. These aren't even funny.

37:09

You know, if Chad GPT can't beat out

37:11

Trump on a nickname for Jake Tapper,

37:13

then I'm not as worried about artificial intelligence. Yeah, I

37:16

do believe Donald Trump has technically passed the Turing test.

37:19

Tappy McFlappy is the latest one. Okay, that's

37:21

fine. Now we're just sort

37:23

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38:24

The day we're recording this, Monday the 24th is

38:26

the two year anniversary of the Dobbs decision overturning

38:28

Roe v. Wade. It's a hugely important day for

38:31

the campaign to get its message out since media

38:33

outlets will all be covering the anniversary. And with

38:35

President Biden at debate camp, they had to turn

38:37

to their surrogate operation to get the job done

38:39

for them. Here is a sample. It's

38:42

about freedom and every

38:44

person of whatever

38:46

gender should understand that if

38:49

such a fundamental freedom such as the right

38:51

to make decisions about your own body can

38:53

be taken, be aware of

38:55

what other freedoms may be at stake.

38:58

Donald Trump, he ran on a

39:00

platform of overturning Roe v. Wade

39:03

and as president promised to appoint Supreme

39:05

Court justices that would do that, they

39:08

did that. And now these

39:10

rights are being taken away. This

39:13

is how it works, that

39:15

elections matter, that who's president,

39:17

who's in the Senate dictates who's on

39:19

the Supreme Court and has such a

39:21

massive impact on your lives. We

39:24

cannot let him win. We

39:27

cannot sit by while our freedoms

39:29

slip away. We're going

39:31

to walk every block and not

39:34

on every door. We're

39:36

going to organize phone banks and

39:38

register voters. We are going to

39:40

fight like hell and we are

39:42

going to win. Thank you, thank

39:44

you. Thank you. So

39:48

you might've recognized that first voice was

39:50

Vice President Kamala Harris. The

39:52

last voice was the first lady, Dr. Jill

39:54

Biden. And the guy in the middle, that

39:57

was Doug Amhoff, at. a

40:00

strict scrutiny live show in DC

40:03

on Saturday night. Kate was telling us there was gonna

40:05

be a surprise guest last time we were recording here.

40:07

It was Doug. And

40:09

apparently the second

40:11

gentleman arrived with a cheering section that included

40:14

none other than Kamala Harris herself in the

40:16

front row. Do you guys think she bought

40:18

her tickets on the crooked website? Oh, good

40:20

question. We probably gave her a freebie, no?

40:22

Who's seat did you take? Get

40:24

out of there, get out of there. Get out of your fucking seat. That's Kamala Harris.

40:27

I hope we, as soon as I heard she was there,

40:29

everyone was slacking that she was there. I was like, I

40:31

hope we gave her a good seat. Nobody found a handheld

40:33

mic and just kind of chucked it down there? Yeah. And

40:36

what do you think about this? Again,

40:38

Vice President Harris, anytime you would like to

40:40

be on a crooked podcast, you don't just

40:42

have to attend. You can be on. We'll

40:45

talk. Right, in this case,

40:47

for example, any scheduling problem couldn't have

40:49

been the case. You were there. You

40:51

were very much present. So it seems

40:53

like you, I mean, technically you were

40:55

available. I don't know how

40:57

much more personally we can take this, White House.

40:59

Yeah. What do we

41:01

have to do? What other media outlets do you have

41:04

to send these to on? We're out here on the

41:06

front lines, day after day, talking

41:08

about how young Joe Biden is. Put him

41:10

on here. Who do you have to fuck

41:12

in this White House? Oh, sorry, nevermind. Just

41:14

kidding. Where else

41:16

are you gonna send Joe Biden and

41:19

Kamala Harris before Pod Save America? Where?

41:21

Anyway. They all in Pod. Yeah,

41:23

seriously. Any YouTuber.

41:25

Any YouTuber. We

41:28

got invited to a Biden influencer

41:30

event in Los Angeles. That's true. We

41:32

did. Barack Obama stopped by and he was

41:34

like, oh, some of you have likes and follows. He

41:37

looked at the three of us like, what

41:39

the fuck are you guys doing here? He's

41:41

like, you're influencers. We've been sorted into the

41:43

influencer slash creator category and I find that

41:46

troubling. It's digital content creators. That's what we're-

41:48

That's accurate. Yeah, I guess. Fine, whatever. Anyway,

41:51

back to abortion. The campaign says it's gonna be holding

41:53

more than 50 events to mark the day. That's the

41:55

Joe Biden slogan. That's

41:58

true. That includes everything from more. standard

42:00

stuff like Elizabeth Warren holding an event

42:02

in Wisconsin. Two celebrity appearances, Padma Lakshmi

42:04

will be doing something in Atlanta. The

42:06

campaign's also holding storytelling trainings to help

42:08

people tell their own personal stories about

42:10

abortion and reproductive care, including some of

42:13

the women who've already told their stories

42:15

in ads. One of those

42:17

women, Caitlin Joshua from Louisiana is featured

42:19

in a new ad that

42:21

the Biden campaign just released today. I

42:24

was right around 11 weeks when

42:26

I had a miscarriage. The pain

42:28

that I was feeling was excruciating.

42:30

I was turned away from two

42:32

emergency rooms. That was a direct

42:34

result of Donald Trump overturning Roe

42:36

v. Wade. He's now a

42:38

convicted felon. Trump thinks he should not be

42:40

held accountable for his own criminal actions, but

42:42

he will let women and doctors be punished.

42:44

We want to support someone that does have

42:47

our best interests at heart. And that's why

42:49

I'm so adamant about supporting President Biden. I'm

42:51

Joe Biden and I approve this message. So

42:53

let's talk about how this will come up

42:56

at the debate. Trump's been bragging about overturning

42:58

Roe. He's been using

43:00

Kellyanne Conway's presumably poll tested

43:03

argument that this is just all

43:05

up to the States now and the States get to

43:07

decide and people get to decide. He's

43:10

also been lying about Democrats

43:12

wanting live birth abortions, which

43:14

isn't a thing. How do

43:16

you guys think Biden should handle this exchange when

43:18

it comes up at the debate? Tommy, you want

43:20

to, you started with the, uh, what happened at

43:22

the last debate? Yeah, I mean, well, you know,

43:25

he can, he can certainly build on the back

43:27

and forth they had in the 2020 debate when,

43:29

when Biden was saying abortion is on the ballot. I mean,

43:32

I think it's a complicated argument because

43:34

Roe was then overturned despite Joe Biden winning. But the

43:36

point he was making was about the Supreme Court justices

43:38

that the next president will get to pick. And if

43:40

Trump is president, what will he end up with like

43:42

an eight one majority probably by the end? I mean,

43:45

he could, he could have a, he could name a

43:47

lot of, I could go to seven to justice. So

43:50

I mean, I thought that ad was incredibly powerful.

43:52

Republicans want to talk about abortion. Like it's just

43:54

another form of birth control. It's something people do,

43:56

you know, willy nilly. That's not something that's painful

43:59

or thought. about deeply. I mean, I think

44:01

that ad shows that tells

44:03

the truth about what abortion is like

44:06

and why women need it in this

44:08

country and the dangerous health

44:10

situations that the new reality has put them in.

44:13

Love it. Yeah, I

44:15

think Joe Biden has to basically just say Donald Trump

44:17

is the reason abortion

44:19

was overturned in this country. I want to protect

44:22

access to abortion. He wants to make

44:24

it a crime to have

44:26

an abortion. He's already talking about

44:29

what he's going to do in his next term

44:31

and he's going to make it impossible not just

44:33

in red states, not just in red states, but

44:35

in blue states for women to access reproductive care. That

44:37

is the threat. The last time Donald Trump and

44:39

I debated, I said he was going to overturn Roe

44:41

v. Wade. He said he wouldn't or he said

44:43

it wasn't true. Guess what? It was true. You can't

44:46

believe Donald Trump because he knows how unpopular this

44:48

is. But, you know, reproductive rights are on the ballot.

44:50

Yeah. He's bragging about overturning Roe

44:52

v. Wade. This is what he's bragging about.

44:55

Women who have been turned away from

44:57

E.R.s who are bleeding out, women who

44:59

have been turned away, who have

45:01

gone into septic shock, a couple in

45:03

Alabama who couldn't who was just wanted

45:06

a baby so bad and went through IVF and

45:08

couldn't continue because of the Alabama State Supreme Court

45:10

and what they decided. He says that it's left

45:12

to the states. But like the

45:15

fundamental truth is no one

45:17

knows the path that a pregnancy will take and

45:20

women deserve care

45:22

when they need it. And no one knows when

45:24

they'll need the care or or where

45:26

they'll need the care. And Donald Trump doesn't think you

45:28

should have the right to that care. And that's what

45:30

it is. And and we are seeing his

45:33

politicians, his loyalists, pass the most extreme

45:35

bans and onerous restrictions all across the

45:37

country. He thinks it's okay to monitor

45:40

women's pregnancies as long as some Republican

45:42

legislature in some state decides to do

45:44

it. People haven't had a chance to

45:47

vote on this when they have, by

45:49

the way, they've enshrined the right to

45:51

abortion in their constitution. But some people

45:54

are sitting in states with Donald Trump's

45:56

followers in the legislature. And now if

45:58

they need care, and they're bleeding

46:00

out, they could be turned away for an emergency room. That's

46:02

what he's bragging about. And they're not done. They

46:05

want to pass a federal abortion

46:07

ban. They want to criminalize medication abortion.

46:09

And by the way, his coalition is

46:11

just made up with a bunch of

46:13

creepy fucking weirdos who want to be

46:15

a part of every decision you make

46:17

in your life, in your bedroom, whether

46:20

it's IVF, whether it's contraception, whether it's

46:22

the birth control pill. These guys are

46:24

not done. And now where

46:26

Trump will go, because I know, because

46:28

this is where Kellyanne keeps wanting him to go,

46:31

is he'll say, Joe, tell me what

46:33

week you would

46:35

have the restriction at. Tell me how many

46:37

weeks. How many weeks would you do? Pick a number. You

46:40

think right up until the day of birth. And

46:43

then he wants Biden to say no. It's like, well

46:45

then what, the week before? Two weeks before? You

46:48

can't come to some kind of compromise on a week,

46:50

blah, blah, blah. And I think that at that point,

46:52

Biden's like, what I want is the fundamental right that

46:54

we've had in this country for the last several decades.

46:56

That's what I want. You can't take the bait and

46:58

respond to Trump on that. You need to say these

47:00

are decisions that are being made by women and they're

47:02

doctors, not by you, Donald. Yes, and

47:04

that has been the problem since Dobbs,

47:07

is that doctors aren't making these decisions.

47:09

These aren't medical decisions. These are decisions

47:11

by Greg Abbott. Greg Abbott, make these

47:13

decisions. Donald Trump, make decisions. You

47:16

wouldn't trust Donald Trump to watch your laptop at

47:19

a fucking, at a Starbucks. No,

47:21

I would not. Absolutely not. I

47:24

can imagine Donald Trump being at a Starbucks.

47:27

Does he drink coffee? No, because

47:29

he's on drugs. Which one? Pro-vigil?

47:32

I don't know. Allegedly. He's

47:34

gonna submit to Dr. Ronnie's test

47:36

and then we will find out.

47:38

As always, Donald Trump is projecting.

47:41

And you're not really supposed, you don't duos epic

47:43

in the ass, but

47:45

I do think that's probably what he's thinking about. Well,

47:48

you can do it in the thigh or in the stomach

47:50

or the back of the arm is what they recommend. I

47:52

mean, it probably would work in the ass. I don't know

47:54

why it's not listed as an option. I

47:56

don't know either. Anyway, I think this is

47:58

our show for today. I think. Trump has taken

48:00

probigil or some sort of upper on foreign. Of

48:02

course he has. Of course. Of course he is

48:05

a sleepy old man. He, this guy. And again,

48:07

you know, if he wants to, if

48:09

Joe Biden wants to debate, God bless

48:11

him. We don't. Donald Trump's brain stopped

48:15

the elasticity of his brain locked up in

48:17

the late eighties and that was an uppers

48:19

era. Oh yeah. That was an

48:21

uppers era. But he didn't drink. If you

48:23

take an x-ray of his brain, it's just

48:25

Diet Coke. Yeah. In cocaine. Allegedly.

48:29

All right everyone, that's our show for today. We

48:32

will have a show for you Thursday

48:34

morning because Wednesday night we're

48:37

going to have a live show in Brooklyn and

48:39

that'll be out Thursday morning. So Thursday

48:41

morning live show post debate. Post

48:43

debate. Friday night show. Friday night show in Boston. Yeah,

48:46

it'll come out after that. Some of you might be

48:48

thinking that's too many shows. And you know what I

48:50

say to you? Eat shit. Download it and delete it.

48:52

I don't care. Just download

48:54

it. And buy the book. Please. Democrat

48:56

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48:58

now. Right now. You can own it.

49:00

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49:02

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