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too much attention the the news

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over the july fourth break but

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i did see the story as i was leaving for

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our friend donald trump assist us

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so we're fast approaching meter madness but

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we're going to spend today talking about the to our

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current twenty twenty four front runners will almost

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certainly affect this november's elections

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are won former presidents who may be on

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the cusp of announcing again and one current

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president who's tumbling approval rating is

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hovering close to his predecessor that

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predecessor donald trump has

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according to a new york times piece from over

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the weekend reportedly quote surprise

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some advisers by saying he might

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the clear his candidacy on social

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media without warning even

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his own team and aides are

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scrambling to build our basic campaign

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infrastructure in time for an announcement as

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early as this month

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then what do we know about why trump may want

3:37

to do this other than the are comes razor explanation

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that he's a deranged sociopath

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driven by mixture of boredom narcissism

3:44

and vengeance well

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i think use uber you nailed

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it that's it no notice this huge out a good

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spirit gonna raise we gotta

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we don't have to scratch much for the upper the medicine

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why do it like it since we did we do have tied to

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philly

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or i will offer them additional emotions

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a wedge you did not include analysts

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wind his weakness in the others and security

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i mean nip what is driving this

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is a donald trump or sitting in

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more lago stewing in his own juices

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watching the january six

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hearing sort of betray him to be the complete

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and utter the rage lunatic that he

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is he sitting in florida watching

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rhonda santas be com sort of the belle

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of the republican balls and his own

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backyard and nine right before his eyes

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right he sees these polls that

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show depending on when york yeah baby

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right to censor gaming he's becoming alternative

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a lot of people talking up ride

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to santos and i think trump ,

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all of his idiocy and much of the preceding

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paragraph you read his as exhibit a

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of that idiocy he does

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have like an instinct for like raul

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political power how you get

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it how you use it

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whether or not you're losing it like not power

4:56

for the sake of doing something but just the tarp

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sick of having i think he can probably sense

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something slipping from him and it

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as he does it reassert his dominance

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on the republican party once again become

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the center of discussion on his

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terms not listed in cassidy hutchinson

5:12

serves hutchinson you

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know could be he he could see the know if he

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had would maybe lose this and so i think that

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is what is driving the speculation

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causing him to vent to aids we

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have all the cow the us here that's trump's

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has lots of things he says essex to as a

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to say it's a it's and proceed to lead them to reporters

5:30

and oftentimes those things do not come

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to pass on but i think those

5:34

release that is was driving this desire

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of his to and else for president

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and twenty twenty two the

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being maybe his i read checkmark truths

5:44

aren't the traveling as far as he thought they

5:46

would where we know that the it a lot of reporting

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we know that that is one of his great frustrations is

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that he's teeny tiny

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little social media companies does

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not is that getting the attention to which

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he has become accustomed on the other so if

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i were to have and we'd up until now bantam

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i do think he might said

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that

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were he to announcer president he might get

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back on other platforms

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get more attention here he is a deadly

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feel like he's struggling to get his

6:15

statements out there be either vs

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the route truth read truth or

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like really poorly edited very long

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written statement which i presume as like sacks

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to people or something

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especially view on closes the deal

6:29

right when he came off right back on twitter

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and get his they from his read chapters

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blu tack and then is up to the

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i'd be really to the sea turtle side

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note and probably topic for offline butts

6:40

very interested to see like what the conversation

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at twitter would be pre closing

6:45

of the deal if trump or to announce for president

6:48

knowing what than likely future owner

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what is going to do it just becomes much

6:52

harder to it

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should be harder when you can see the our conversation

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shifting around his bags

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and suspension said facebook twitter etc

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as he has a it's active candidate for present

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yeah i mean if is the this is the fundamental problem

7:07

the cutting him off twitter doesn't solve has never solved

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is that the republican party is

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still one of two major political parties in america

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and he has largely captured or

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a big chunk if not they

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almost all of the republican party and

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therefore because it is still are

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treated as treated legitimate political institution

7:26

political institution if he gets the nomination

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than he gets all the coverage that comes with that you

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know whether and and that's that's

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what twitter would face can i offer an alternative

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idea here sir what atwitter

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let trump back on the kick the rest of us off i

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mean again a problem is ah

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yes the frogs on either you know my

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position is the one must buys twitter and shuts

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down that's an ama i am supportive of that's

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and very good swimmer feelings about that so

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happens i am on the record

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i'm still you talk about the legal and financial

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implications of trump deciding

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to run now instead of later

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than ten we can do the politics but just just

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the legal and financial implications for

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it would be truly one of the stupidest

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decisions for says or said it has ever

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been the

8:12

living room and right now our first

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the possibilities are not or is it may

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even suggest that it's more likely

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rapids but right now trump has about

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a hundred million dollars parts in a super

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pacs he can spend that money

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on political travel he had spent it on ads for any

8:27

other candidates he could spend it on staff

8:30

polling on

8:32

today that you seek it probably spend it on shrimp

8:35

cocktail still almost anything right at

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this seats were

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he to announce it in any person

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rebels and peter tools example the

8:44

right keep your you have the right one hundred million

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dollar check to that superpower they went

8:48

after trump spent that money to give right other hundred

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my knowledge acts word front to

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announce for present between

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a day he announces and the republican

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convention into and twenty twenty four peter

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thiel or any other american walk in

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atlanta can give donald trump a total of two

9:04

thousand and nine hundred dollars they

9:06

give them any more money after that he

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cannot spend that money until he has been

9:11

a d officially becomes the republican

9:13

nominee so he would even though he has a

9:15

huge grassroots fund raising or mates he

9:17

would basically put himself

9:19

had a massive massive initial

9:21

dissonance candidates often really try

9:23

to wait as long as possible to officially announce

9:27

their presence or campaign because they want to shorten

9:29

the clock to they think they're going to be the nominee

9:32

between the day they announce he

9:34

and the convention when they can then smart spending what are called

9:36

general election fuck you get the right to checks

9:39

once are the primary twenty eight hundred dollars once

9:41

of the general it's when i have heard i was there are some complications

9:43

around other things had that's the basic gist

9:45

of it's so he would basically be cutting off

9:48

his nose despite his face finance way to do

9:50

that and if he were to be involved in a it's

9:52

ah protracted primaries

9:55

could have real trouble having enough money to

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spend against someone who has waited

9:59

longer spends one of their primary

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money it's and twenty twenty three and

10:03

early twenties twenty four set of in twenty twenty

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i'm trying to figure out how he thinks

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you can get around this by doing it earlier

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or what he thinks about these potential consequences

10:14

which i can come up with is that he thinks

10:16

that you know they'll

10:18

get enough media coverage that he

10:20

won't have to do much else besides sit for

10:22

interviews and then if he wants go do a rally

10:25

he charges everyone comes to the rally ten

10:28

twenty twenty five bucks a head and

10:30

he just does this sort of grassroots fund raising

10:33

strategies of he gets his rallies he gets his interviews

10:35

that he has to spend much more money and tell the race

10:37

really heats up

10:38

hiring that as possible another theory

10:41

he could have as if the federal elections commission

10:43

which is charged with enforcing said was has

10:45

the force in power of a if

10:47

an amoeba made out of butter less it's

10:49

success it's either way there

10:51

is a way to do with where you

10:53

would basic ways with

10:57

so far are in the

10:59

grey areas of the law that

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he would sort of offload much of his

11:04

staff in polling to a super pac

11:07

and then we're just sort of raise money for himself

11:10

the greenery that was only he's gonna run ads now

11:12

or things like that's and woods essentially

11:14

the you see a world in which state

11:16

parties pay for the rallies it's wings wings human

11:19

is get any further people

11:21

and now that that gets more complicated as a presidential

11:24

candidates as he would have to offset

11:26

some of those costs by it's ah

11:28

easy just picked off like that the mean

11:31

our qb finals or jokes trump trump doesn't live

11:33

in the gray side of the law try trump lives in the

11:35

lawless side of the lot more than south pacific

11:37

oceans a cd rcmp finance laws are

11:39

as it's even donald trump would ask

11:41

you work hard to break some sorry

11:44

to let's say what would you think what the political implications

11:46

of trump deciding to run now

11:49

pros and cons for donald trump

11:51

or ya democrat donald trump for dot listless surfer

11:53

dandruff

11:54

for for donald trump i think the pros

11:57

would be he would just short circuit

12:00

the conversation that

12:02

that is happening at the lead levels of the party about

12:04

whether he is the best person to and

12:07

he would get so far ahead of everyone else in

12:09

there would be a wave of people who

12:11

would endorse him right away candidates looking

12:13

for his endorsements his sort of

12:15

collection of supplicants

12:18

people who want attention and so he would

12:20

like gain momentum and the know in

12:22

his mighty theoretically reestablish

12:25

himself as the the inevitable

12:28

and eventual republican nominee it's when twenty four

12:30

he said starves ah

12:33

any momentum that rhonda santas princess

12:35

is getting on so that was sort of a the

12:37

argument for

12:40

it in addition to rethink the thing we reference earlier

12:42

about possibly getting more attention a lot

12:44

which would give him a better platform to fight

12:46

back against that you're in his mind to the

12:48

january six hearings and

12:50

in whatever various legal troubles he has

12:53

on the horizon

12:54

han com for

12:57

donald trump the con

12:59

would be why i mean we mention

13:01

the fact that it would really

13:04

make his actual eventual presidential

13:06

run and much more challenging financially and logistically

13:09

the the com would also be let's

13:12

say the democrats do better

13:14

than expected in these matters that

13:18

and happened while after trump's announcer president that

13:20

would be i think it pretty devastating ah

13:23

reinforcement of the argument that he eats

13:25

it might be republicans worst candidate to run

13:27

in twenty four

13:30

yeah megan the i'm making the midterms

13:33

the referendum on donald trump instead

13:35

of joe biden or even like introducing

13:38

donald trump as a character in the midterms

13:41

who is not just hovering out there

13:43

for twenty twenty four but as right now

13:46

trying to become president again and then

13:48

making every single republican candidate in a tough

13:51

race the where their loyalty

13:53

to donald trump as he's running for president

13:55

is probably something i'm guessing a lot of those republican

13:58

strategist who have candidates

13:59

in competitive districts in competitive states probably

14:02

don't want to do yeah as a general rule i

14:04

would bet if he did a poll of republican strategists

14:07

democratic strategists every single

14:09

republican strategists who's not getting rich on

14:12

trump stereoscopic committees with think this is a

14:14

terrible idea in every democratic

14:16

strategists would hope that it happens

14:19

yeah the i saw

14:21

somewhere in the in the piece about this

14:23

and me or times the he also think this would

14:25

like

14:26

help him get ahead of potential criminal

14:28

charges coming out of both a january

14:30

six hearings and so

14:33

, potential criminal charges coming out of

14:36

of the department of justice may do after

14:38

the january six hearings and hearings the

14:41

grand jury in georgia which is georgia just

14:44

subpoenaed a few of his buddies rudy

14:46

giuliani lindsey graham couple

14:49

other a couple other buffoons will

14:52

who would do you make that argument that he is he

14:54

thinks was good help him get ahead of potential

14:56

criminal charges school make of potential

14:58

of sense to me well certainly legally

15:00

there's not a lot evidence they would make sense

15:03

i to see how it's so hard to try to like

15:06

take a trip into donald trump's pea brain

15:08

to figure out why he thinks certain things but

15:10

if i were to try to do that i

15:12

guess or be to possible

15:14

ways in which he might think this what

15:16

happens one is

15:19

and i don't really think he would think that's because it's like a

15:21

slightly more complex thought dance he

15:23

would have but his if

15:26

if merrick garland i don't know this to be the case

15:29

and i don't believe to be the case but if if

15:31

the department justice or having real conversations

15:33

about the political optics of prosecutors

15:36

of the department of justice pursuing a

15:38

criminal conviction of their bosses

15:41

most likely twenty twenty four opponent

15:45

the fact that he is actively running to replace

15:48

joe biden would potentially

15:50

add to that can the only that's really

15:52

what's happening around to censor what it is i the other way

15:54

it the more simplistic way as this

15:57

picture the world and watch merrick

16:00

garland hold a press conference or

16:02

probably nightmare girl and some us attorney somewhere

16:04

hold a press conference and says we

16:06

are announcing that at yale graduate today

16:08

indicted donald trump for criminal conspiracy

16:11

to bottle of of us they

16:13

will then ensue a conversation

16:16

about whether it is a wise decision for

16:18

the republican party to choose

16:20

as their nominee someone who

16:22

is currently indicted for trying to

16:24

overturn a lesson and down trump can say

16:26

ah

16:28

i'm already announced i'm already running

16:31

the , you ever that visit

16:33

mystery of a big another political

16:35

con for him to is that like you know

16:39

the january six hearings if they do nothing

16:41

else if if d o j doesn't move

16:43

if george doesn't turn out to be anything have

16:45

reminded americans of

16:47

what a fucking criminal donald

16:50

trump is light i think his his it

16:52

is hurt his approval ratings

16:54

again which were sort of like he was

16:56

outta sight outta mind for little while he's actually

16:58

doing okay him being thrust back

17:00

into the spotlight any time you thrust back into

17:02

the spotlight doesn't always reminds americans

17:04

have you know what an asshole years

17:06

at least most americans there

17:09

you know there's like a recent politics has like sixty something

17:12

percent of the american think he shouldn't run again

17:15

i will tell you like it just in some of these wilderness focus

17:17

groups have done the few trump voters who have been in

17:19

the groups which aren't many aren't like

17:22

yeah no i'm no i'm and joe biden

17:24

in the democrats and and to get vote democrat but i do

17:26

not know one not a single person wants

17:28

donald trump's to run for president again

17:30

who is not the mag a base that has already

17:33

excited there's not gonna be more excited by

17:35

the fact that donald trump announces for president they are

17:37

as excited as if it gets the

17:39

whole trump's the day he announces whether

17:41

it's this month weathered six months from now whether to

17:43

year from now they are going to be they're excited

17:46

at rallies it's just going to happen right

17:48

but there's you know that's that's that bases

17:51

not enough to win the presidency and

17:54

i wonder if announcing right

17:56

at the moment when the a

17:58

large parts of the country the are reminded

18:01

of what you did around january six now you tried

18:03

to overturn the last election the

18:05

best political idea as

18:08

, to just like waiting because you know

18:10

everyone has a fuckin you know

18:12

pea brain memory now because the social media

18:14

but if you just waited like five months

18:16

after the january six hearing system

18:19

is a myth and announced in and different environment

18:21

perhaps like i'm sure most republican strategist

18:24

want after ice want midterm that isn't

18:26

great for joe biden the democrats vendor

18:28

in better shape and it's it is pretty wild yeah

18:30

pretty think trump probably believes

18:33

down deep somewhere that somewhere has that he

18:35

shuffling of milk

18:36

and so he does it wastes

18:38

it's just the longer he is not

18:41

the kid i to smell that store and even he he

18:43

could smell of self right now it's

18:46

like it just yet a sort of like i've tried

18:48

to imagine to imagine think he's going to do this

18:50

i would like the preceding fifty minutes

18:52

us really smart funny chatter

18:54

about this aside i thought of going to the earth's

18:56

for the idea of for the campaign finance

18:59

the reasons i'm

19:01

like i used a fight hard imagine going to file

19:04

with the as they've been to canada see what the as he

19:06

says before the selection it's

19:08

i'm like hey you wanna get

19:10

have a couple of rich people give you all this money

19:12

you can spend forever do

19:15

you wanna go around raising two thousand nine

19:17

hundred dollars the

19:19

you're gonna want to do that's good that's work but

19:22

you do see a robber he's when he comes out he posts

19:24

are he truth something and it's as see

19:26

how it is a group of something that sets

19:29

the right your civic right is about how it is

19:31

that's why i'm laughing sergeant exact right

19:34

to separate a city goes on hannity

19:36

and any scenery the odds

19:39

is steve bannon form and and they go to lindsey

19:41

graham like lindsey graham down from said you run for president

19:43

to support him is like yes and that

19:45

are all the rest of the fucking yahoos a like the i gotta

19:47

say yes to as another son is like

19:49

thirty seven of fifty republican

19:52

senators have endorsed donald trump you

19:54

know it'll be a by greg abbott running for election

19:57

and then you just you see and you just like rhonda

19:59

santas just sitting at home by yourself

20:01

in florida trying to ban your own books is a

20:03

purchase legs so i can see a worldwide

20:06

is that the right way you do it but if you were just like

20:08

what like care about is maintaining

20:11

control of this party enough to your

20:13

the rest out later you

20:15

can sort of see a world and wedged that

20:17

works better for hidden do with

20:20

and donald trump maintaining control has

20:22

always been about maintaining attention alright

20:24

it's a it's an attention game we have courses

20:26

as politics today in the social media age i'm

20:29

you just mentioned the other a fucking yahoo's

20:31

run to santas and the rest if you were

20:33

de santis or or one of the more

20:35

delusional potential trump opponents like

20:37

a a mike pence or a or mike

20:39

pompeo we didn't early trump announcement

20:42

give you pause about your own candidacy

20:44

do you think that would effectively freeze

20:46

them out

20:47

i think the reaction is

20:49

not the timing of trump's announcement but the reaction

20:52

to it they give you some

20:54

costs but i i

20:56

don't like mike pompeo what

20:58

she of my conte oh pauses as i

21:00

please make up a of licenses out of their

21:03

that was whatever now that i got back yard to be residents

21:05

by like someone a

21:08

like a very smart wired and political reporter

21:11

told me something a few weeks ago it's

21:13

that about rhonda santas guess it was asking

21:15

like is like i presume he comes gonna run

21:18

that would you say this challenge and

21:20

it never told me as it the santas really

21:25

has worked at rubio in

21:27

christie what happened from

21:29

them from missing their shot in

21:31

two thousand they were the stars

21:33

of the republican party stay passed up

21:36

on that because they thought they either couldn't beat obama

21:38

or whatever it was and then by the time

21:40

they ran for years later they were old

21:43

had no one cared a they were basically never reveals

21:45

making penis jokes onstage with donald

21:47

trump's right like that's where you end up and

21:49

like this is is moment right and this

21:52

person even told me that it's like

21:54

zombies people around us into said as cited obama

21:57

as someone to to like who understood

22:00

that you ryan when you have your shot

22:02

if you if you don't run then you'll probably never gets

22:04

a shot again so i think there's a you know is that is true

22:07

that's i think he probably runs

22:09

anyway as if he wants to be president this is it will

22:11

be his best chance whether trump runs or not

22:14

they ask how often do you speak to hugh hewitt

22:20

well sir john a higher prices

22:22

i just read a lot time of the nixon library just

22:24

a recent research systems of

22:26

exists into in there now diversity

22:28

this was a this was a ah

22:30

not a desire to stand proceeded

22:33

ominous

22:34

the about giving to santas advice

22:37

i agree with all that that he does the to just you

22:39

decide if trump bought decided to run but like

22:41

from the get go right

22:44

out of again you have to have your

22:46

case if you're around santas

22:48

why not just why

22:50

you why not donald trump you

22:52

cannot do the twenty sixteen thing

22:54

of which is pretend donald trump isn't

22:57

there and will make the case for myself

22:59

i'm worried about attacking him because if i

23:01

attack him and he'll go after me and

23:03

then someone else will rise like i think

23:05

you need to have at

23:08

least an implicit case if not an explicit

23:11

case why it should be you and not donald

23:14

and i don't know i don't know front pages have got

23:16

have got that and and but we'll see

23:18

i mean that indicates a data from solace or

23:20

yeah you could lead to i don't win again when

23:23

you got yeah you got the you got the election close

23:25

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okay

27:37

let's , it was the man who is currently the democratic

27:40

front runner for twenty twenty four joe biden

27:43

biden has an average approval rating of thirty

27:45

nine percent right now or

27:47

that's the lowest of any president at this point in his

27:49

term since harry truman and

27:52

in the same recent same harvard harris poll

27:54

shows the generic midterm ballot it

27:56

an even fifty it an democrats

27:58

and republicans seventy one percent of all voters

28:00

say that biden shouldn't run for reelection this

28:03

has unsurprisingly lead to

28:05

a mortal week of stories in the new york times

28:07

washington post politico i and

28:09

other outlets that arm all these stories are are

28:11

heavy on complaints light on advice

28:14

from various names and mostly unnamed

28:16

or democratic strategist and lawmakers ah

28:19

f from everything about the white house's message to

28:21

their management to joe biden strategy

28:24

ah but of course the lowest blow by far came

28:26

in a cnn peace the lead with an anecdote

28:28

about how joe biden has even lost the support former

28:31

will and grace star deborah nothing then

28:36

how does any white house move on from someone

28:38

like someone like is important that we play

28:42

the debra messing anecdote in historical

28:44

contexts he says i always suspicious

28:47

if you know what of with i've all the mall

28:49

the responses that i thought were

28:51

coming to that question this is not one businesses

28:54

such , a pseudo they want

28:57

you and your can be depressed for some physicists

29:00

deserve

29:02

and be the next and presidency effectively

29:04

ended when a dozen republican senators went

29:06

to the white house and told next and to resign

29:10

it really feels like the perfect twenty twenty

29:12

two version of that is debra messing yelling

29:14

at a white house aide on as you can call

29:18

the lead of the piece

29:20

of the lead of the cnn be it's just having

29:22

a to add you know why or why i brought it up

29:25

the lead that's you know that is a

29:27

and and great right i can hear you and i are

29:29

talking about it you know at mission

29:31

accomplished a cat in all seriousness

29:34

most of us are angry frustrated

29:37

disappointed about where we are right now where the countries

29:39

right now i guess the question is

29:42

how much of our current predicament

29:45

can be blamed on the by the administration how

29:47

much is beyond their control of all

29:49

the current critiques out there which

29:51

you think affair which do you think or

29:53

not that

29:56

of us had is a multi

29:58

for question about

30:02

say here charts i started writing have access

30:04

to since it's my

30:06

, the smell good against other

30:08

to see his i'm not a mess you

30:10

can do whatever you want but it's an honor the next to us

30:13

as or is that the more they want us are worth of rise

30:15

worth yeah if you ask most of our questions be

30:17

president only have to answer the part

30:19

they want to answer but this answer but

30:21

we're here

30:22

the reform our try to answer all that what i

30:24

think the i don't

30:26

want to stipulate i'm very biased

30:29

on this course i'm biased because

30:32

i worked in the white else as you did i

30:34

know how fucking hard those jobs are i have

30:36

been story that debra

30:38

messing and to get excited but it's it's or is very

30:41

much like this ah i guess

30:43

our versa and odds the democratic

30:45

story was when bryan cranston

30:47

who was playing lbj on

30:50

broadway i

30:52

think scenario maureen dowd where he said that barack

30:55

obama was not doing a good enough jobs

30:57

twisting arms like that was or vs ever

30:59

miss i have really i have liked a lot of the stuff for

31:01

my memory but i'm i'm i hope

31:03

i hope that i have many many i graduate

31:06

assistants ah by

31:08

disease or dinner and i also

31:10

want your mind and he has a very

31:12

good percent during a really fucking

31:14

her job to the best disability and old people to work

31:16

in one else are also her friends and we also

31:18

know they're really fucking smarts in a working their

31:21

asses off and they in in a really

31:23

really hard marmots said

31:25

so i got all the say

31:27

that i'm quite bicyclists what i think

31:31

the vast majority of the political problems for joe

31:33

biden are because we are

31:37

in era of historic

31:39

inflation we now have a said

31:41

raising interest rates to combat that inflation

31:44

we now or about might have a recession because

31:46

the said is raising interest rates to combat that inflation

31:49

you have a word russia you have a pandemic the won't

31:51

go away you have a radical right wing

31:53

republican party overly plotting and

31:55

insurrection and often very widow the democrats

31:58

have to the happy stop

32:00

that's that leads to a whole bunch of

32:02

position very little of that is

32:04

under the drug control job and

32:08

that is not to say that the responses

32:11

could not be better they cannot be

32:13

faster they cannot be louder like is

32:16

your mind you we every single thing he can

32:18

to the on inflation no

32:21

but , he did you everything he could would it make

32:23

a gigantic difference in the what people were paying

32:25

at the pump or the grocery store now

32:28

was the response to the

32:30

from everyone in the park that is

32:32

president to the ruling en route

32:36

insufficient into and to slow yes

32:38

is it a completely fair for take that of that with six

32:41

weeks notice the white house has not yet released

32:43

or executive actions one had process

32:45

but if they had nailed that one hundred percent

32:47

and and everything that was in the

32:49

very useful plans

32:52

a tweet threads and op eds for out by locals are sworn

32:54

may i say i think that would still feel

32:57

insufficient to people because you have the supreme

32:59

court filled with

33:02

justices who were appointed by president

33:04

who washed elections taking

33:06

away constitutional rights from people for the first

33:08

time in modern history like there is nothing the president

33:10

could say that's going to solve that insults

33:13

the big the vast could they be doing better

33:16

absolutely debated everything perfectly

33:18

with your by be a fifty percent of democrats on

33:20

the glide path to victory no

33:23

of course not like did there is a weird there's

33:25

a tendency to focus on the stylistic versus

33:27

the structural the the crux

33:29

of the political problems or structural might it

33:33

yeah i mean look i i'm

33:35

obviously i share all of your biases

33:37

and i'm i think that

33:40

but i also like when we

33:42

or

33:43

resistant to criticize the by

33:45

my house i will say it's not just because

33:47

i i liked joe biden personally and we know

33:49

lot of people in white house but i think it's

33:51

it's more because we have

33:53

been in those jobs and we have faced

33:55

this set of circumstances are similar set

33:58

of circumstances where the

34:00

power you have a finite in so much as beyond

34:02

your control and i think

34:04

that like seventy percent of the job of

34:06

being president is substance

34:09

and what you get done and thirty percent

34:11

his performance but that the media

34:14

coverage is like seventy percent

34:16

performance and thirty percent what you get dance

34:19

and i think on the performance side the

34:22

commute you know and know and saying

34:25

these words i agree i sverige

34:27

media know your say of you know because

34:29

in the white house he would beat brock

34:31

obama has a communication problem and

34:33

all of us worked in communications and we were like

34:36

it's not our fucking fault that we're trying to dig

34:38

out of recession and that we couldn't

34:40

, the version of the affordable care act that we wanted

34:43

and that congress isn't playing along with what we want

34:45

to do and all this other bullshit that happening

34:47

and yet the critique would be that

34:50

problem is not emoting enough his outperforming

34:52

and of is not the same storyteller that he wasn't

34:54

the campaign trail and the reason

34:56

for that the there are many reasons for that

34:59

you are constrained by the officer the presidency

35:01

of your constrained by what you can say when you're pressing

35:03

had stayed you constrained by the white house itself

35:06

both of physical nature of the way has the inability

35:08

to get outside to do big rallies like is all

35:10

this kind of shit i do think

35:12

that particularly in

35:14

rock obama second term

35:16

thanks to you and a lot of the people

35:18

who are still there you guys figured

35:20

out creative ways to

35:23

meet the moment in terms

35:25

of where the the media

35:27

environment had shit how the media environment had changed

35:30

and you get creative and a room

35:32

is more responses to the news cycle and

35:34

i do think that we

35:36

don't love the fact that you know as into by new

35:38

identified folks rightly prided themselves

35:40

during the campaign on like not responding

35:43

to the twitter crap of the day and

35:46

we all know how much the twitter cycle

35:49

of the day sucks right but i

35:51

do think the nimble

35:54

the and responding to the news cycle it's

35:56

something that this white house has not

35:59

been great ass and

36:01

you know we've had with his but like yesterday

36:04

he went to ohio when

36:06

day and he did it and event about pensions

36:08

and and and how the american

36:10

rescue plan saved a lot of people's pensions

36:13

which is something that i'm sure is very popular

36:15

in is also is really good

36:17

policy right congratulations he did it by

36:20

it is weird to be giving a speech about that

36:23

when we're a week out from the

36:25

supreme court overturning roe v wade and

36:28

you know there was more sort of the there was more

36:30

there was a horrible mass shooting or over the fourth

36:32

of july weekend and you

36:34

know then you could tell him what he wanted to do what he on the set

36:36

like the does not have he said he

36:39

sort of like worked through a lot of the executive actions

36:41

executive has and also in the fucking

36:43

set you still have the one thing

36:45

that you didn't mention beyond his control his you don't

36:47

really have really true senate majority

36:50

because joe manchin is basically a fucking republican

36:52

in tears and cinema the fucking weirdo assessment

36:55

, a some the so system ago we've

36:58

never a good if they democrats control russians and democrats

37:00

don't really control washington because we don't

37:02

really control the senate and we've heard was

37:04

million fucking times we talk about it for two years

37:06

now and it's like enraging to keep talking

37:08

about it but like if i was president

37:10

when i go out there and say like get rid of the filibuster

37:13

and i'll codify row and i'll get rid of the filibuster

37:15

for everything yes of course and joe biden is now

37:17

said that for voting rights and for robbie wait what i

37:19

say that i want to expand the supreme court that

37:22

it's not the most right wing radical court and

37:24

generations yeah of course i would and

37:26

then you know joe manchin would say fuck you if

37:29

you know what i'd be able to do but that method because

37:31

he gets a vote rate and so but

37:34

i do think that like there

37:36

are a whole bunch of ways that joe biden and

37:39

then what i also include the democrats in congress

37:41

made who said he should not get off easy on this

37:43

list that i am still five minutes and

37:45

democrats in congress should be out there showing

37:48

a sense of urgency and showing

37:51

that this is the fight of our lives and

37:53

and acting like they are going to run

37:55

through a brick wall for the american people

37:57

every single day will that

37:59

me substantive progress in

38:01

congress probably not

38:04

not until this election but will

38:06

it potentially build the political

38:08

coalition we need to

38:10

win a real majority and

38:12

also earn the trust of people who

38:14

want to believe that if we do get that real majority

38:17

were gonna make real progress

38:19

yeah maybe

38:20

and like we can criticize performance all we

38:22

want but performance and and

38:24

and the urgency and a passion

38:26

behind performance is one way to

38:28

build the trust and the political majority

38:31

you need to deliver real change and i do

38:33

think on that front they can be done that i

38:37

i remember it taking frock

38:39

obama and all of us

38:41

myself in particular while

38:44

to figure out that sometimes the job

38:47

of the president is to say the thing that

38:49

people want to the speak to

38:51

their sadness their fears

38:54

their anger i remember i'm not going to meet people

38:56

where they are for i am with acts

38:58

or friend units are you sick all the pastoral role

39:00

of the president that even if you had i remember

39:02

very clearly the

39:05

and christmas eve i think

39:07

twenty two thousand two thousand when the shoe

39:09

bomber

39:10

habit

39:11

for about we're just spencer a brutal

39:13

year obama was in hawaii raul

39:15

on i was on my first day off in

39:18

basically since two thousand and seven at that points

39:20

and the idea was to the president go out and

39:22

speak about this terrorist

39:25

attacks were nothing happens no one was hurt

39:27

know was injured know lives were lost and plane crashed and

39:30

we didn't know all the fact that we didn't we know with we

39:32

thought it might be al qaeda but we didn't really know

39:34

sir the president go and speak i

39:37

remember very clearly some people's namely robert

39:39

gibbs or press secretary say he actually has been speaking

39:41

and myself arguing on a call

39:43

with the president he should not have any why why are

39:45

we just narrating the events

39:48

that was a huge error on my part

39:50

rubber was right i was wrong and because

39:53

people as wanted to see their president that

39:56

kind of concerned and i think democrats

39:58

want to see the president and congressional leaders

40:01

share their anger and urgency

40:04

and since our is and or has generally been moments

40:06

were biden has done that right his speech on

40:08

january six was a huge part

40:10

of that right the voting rights be to give the next day

40:12

in georgia was another part of it i thought

40:14

some of his remarks the

40:17

after the doll decision are quite

40:19

good book what i think the

40:21

challenges are exists chance at every

40:23

democrat in leadership currently

40:25

faces is you

40:28

have to be a part of the conversation

40:30

twenty four seven like in this media environment

40:33

or but you are either serving dinner or

40:35

you are did right i guess what it is

40:37

and if you're not out there talk to be more talkative audience

40:40

the concept machine is either season

40:42

on the people you're talented feet on earth's feeding on you

40:44

ads biden and i think that that

40:47

is a huge there

40:50

is a vacuum and it is being filled by

40:52

it's republicans attacking biden and democrats

40:55

criticizing buttons and

40:57

i get that isn't chromosomes you like i just in

40:59

my head and i'm trying not even to like room

41:02

referred to my old white house elves

41:04

like i know exactly how that tensions

41:06

have that got on the calendar it's before

41:09

i already for a lot of people for a long time

41:11

when can we traveled to the first day weekend travel

41:13

because of all x y and z we're

41:16

going to go there with already booked the place

41:18

because we said the advance team out weeks ago the labor

41:20

department is paying for the trip because it's

41:22

a pensioner this so they're doing

41:24

it so we can't switch it to an abortion advance

41:26

or something like i know exactly

41:29

how it happened in there is a real if this is

41:32

what's really hard in this is one thing we're trump's

41:34

nothing by it really trump i'm not saying

41:37

that be very clear mind one

41:39

thing we're trying social media use was it advantage

41:42

was he was able to respond

41:44

faster than the traditional

41:46

ways in which president's can

41:48

do things because it is a fucking aircraft carrier

41:50

to get things in motion to other things

41:53

in the second term obama really started doing it

41:55

just walk into the briefing because

41:57

you can't do that you gotta be want to take questions

41:59

when it but you can just walk down there

42:01

and do it and you can be there five minutes after

42:03

the bad thing happens you don't have to like call

42:06

the pool and scopes seat

42:08

outs take down the what

42:10

the state dinner set up in the east room and

42:12

go like you can just do it and south or

42:15

there's no easy answers here at like as like as everything

42:17

perfectly is that does that change a ton

42:19

know of course not like i have my sympathy

42:22

goes out to the president's team for operate

42:24

in this media environment which is the issue

42:26

of epic proportions are

42:28

it's hard but i will say it is

42:30

also i think it's a a joe biden problem

42:32

to solve and it's not even necessarily a white house

42:35

problem because you know there's dana

42:37

milbank in the martian post read this column that the

42:39

joe biden folks have been sending around and the

42:41

and the dnc has been sending around about how like

42:44

actually you buy new saying all the things value

42:46

people want him to say and that when he gives remarks

42:48

about ah dobbs or about

42:50

guns or about republican book

42:52

bans he's calling of extremism he's calling

42:54

i would boss at this is on kind of stuff and read

42:57

the column nearly guess i guess he is saying

42:59

those words in the remarks but they're not really getting

43:01

through because he's not he

43:03

doesn't have the passion assists right

43:05

and like we have see like you said we have

43:07

seen moments where joe biden can summon that

43:10

kind of passion and he has to figure

43:12

that out for himself and that's not something

43:14

because there's a lot i think there was more people in that

43:16

way has the know with a message should be

43:18

com but he he's the one

43:21

to has to deliver then you can only be

43:23

but it can also just how he delivers is

43:25

how often he delivers it right there is a it's

43:28

like there is a political communication

43:31

involves to six what you say

43:34

and how you get people to then i think

43:37

fine for much for for much of his presence he has said

43:39

the right say right with you by your potter policies

43:42

he started out them in light of a really smart

43:44

instinctual not be honest ways to

43:46

express outrage in a lot of moments he

43:48

could be funny but are not people

43:50

aren't you're going to get us on the prom and i think it's

43:52

just as people want to like dig deeper into

43:54

the same groups armor for a long time there was a

43:56

podcast and at as refined interviewed

43:59

our friends shot

43:59

away

44:01

they're not sure a cursory i'm not on

44:03

his podcast couple months ago it's about like democratic

44:05

communications in the white house and all of that

44:07

that i think is an absolute must was

44:09

in in gets to some of the question

44:11

seekers this isn't just bite rights like where

44:13

the congressional leaders were other people in congress nearby

44:16

there's like a handful of smart people like

44:18

elizabeth warren or a oh seats to

44:20

be chris murphy on guns here we're getting out there

44:22

have either message or but the vast majority people are just

44:24

tweeting out library grants and not

44:26

commanding the sheriff public attention that they need

44:29

one piece of knew that i hesitate

44:32

to refer to as even potentially good is

44:34

it chuck schumer in joe manchin have reportedly made

44:36

a deal on one piece of a new reconciliation

44:38

bill or punchbowl reported wednesday

44:41

that schumer cent tax to the senate parliamentarian

44:43

have an agreement among all fifty senate democrats

44:45

on a provision that would allow medicare to negotiate

44:48

for lower prescription drug costs think

44:50

there's also an out of pocket top of

44:52

two thousand dollars per year per person

44:55

there's no word about other possible reconciliation

44:58

provisions on climate taxes or healthcare though

45:00

i saw in our slack just before

45:02

reserve recording that you center on a piece that

45:04

i guess they're getting a little closer on that

45:06

though mentioned spokesperson said hours there's

45:09

still no deal there's a lot of said there were trying

45:11

to figure out i mean

45:12

can we bang our heads against the wall are once

45:14

more for old time's sake on this or what

45:16

specific which were different i

45:19

mean i read that story mated

45:21

spokesperson is quoted in punchbowl talking

45:24

about how they're not near in agreement on methane

45:26

emissions which emissions the same problem is that every

45:28

single time is theoretically ductless

45:30

soda like i don't want

45:32

to be on brand is a

45:34

glass half empty guy just like wake me when you have

45:36

a deal i'm not going a i'm not going to exert any

45:38

intellectual or emotional investment

45:42

in hoping for

45:44

thinking about plotting about some sort

45:46

of deal it's it's there's like five minutes

45:49

period of time or there's not a lobbyist in

45:51

each of jamais his ears and he

45:53

puts his name of that a line i will celebrate

45:55

with can set a but until then just

45:57

leave us alone possible sorry

46:01

unavoidable since i don't arrive in honestly

46:03

i just i simply cannot read river hello

46:06

to my school poke pierre punchbowl once time

46:09

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49:34

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49:36

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49:38

of at all cylinder like welcome back to the pot

49:41

thanks i love being banned thank you

49:43

for your it's do the now offer

49:44

we love haven't yet so

49:46

i'm wrong track numbers are as high

49:49

as they've ever been joe biden approval

49:51

rating is as low as it's ever been you

49:53

talk to voters all the time how much

49:55

of this reflects concern

49:57

over inflation and

50:00

gas prices among the broader electorate and

50:02

how much of a t think reflects the

50:05

predominant media narrative about you

50:07

know democrats being disappointed in the yeah

50:09

by the administration

50:10

i think it's mostly

50:13

they're broader narrative and the uncertainty

50:16

of every family every

50:18

time you turn around ah

50:20

democrat republican or independent your hit with

50:22

something new the inflation

50:24

the war of law the highland park

50:27

buffalo

50:28

new name ads are storms

50:30

floods yellowstone national park

50:32

causing wonders yellowstone national

50:35

park close i mean it's just

50:37

slightly the people just feel as one

50:39

millennials said this country's a dumpster

50:41

for hockey or and i think that's

50:44

worth of liquor feel like so

50:46

are you know you that we had we had you're facing

50:48

the grown have the right direction ah

50:51

but that's different than saying who

50:53

is working on your behalf where we have

50:55

an eight point advantage who cares

50:57

about people we have a six point advantage

51:00

is a tattoo environment i'm not kidding it's

51:02

easy to be demoralize five

51:04

minute break grow v wade being a return

51:07

and where that leaves with for a control on marriage

51:09

equality interracial marriage the

51:11

say sir

51:12

it very clear for the twenty

51:14

twenty two election why you

51:16

know i just as damn this in the in our last

51:19

segments i'll ask you to

51:21

what kind of advice would you give joe biden

51:23

right now knowing that much

51:25

of this is beyond his control or

51:27

beyond any president's control ah

51:30

as you know we've seen from all our years

51:32

and democratic politics but you

51:34

know what is within your control as executive

51:37

actions that you can take got your message

51:40

what you emphasize what you focus on every

51:42

day what it what advice would you give him right

51:44

now

51:45

i think you're doing a lot of what they should be doing and

51:47

they have to do it on steroids that the first

51:49

piece of advice i'd say and i think

51:51

that you see a dramatic change in

51:54

a private message in the last

51:56

six months which is don't say things

51:58

are good had a big

51:59

people wonder what planet iran they wonder

52:02

as one for assassin phocuswright

52:04

what neighborhoods you economists living

52:06

at the think that has imposed a

52:08

bag of boots so be intact there's

52:11

something every day ped use

52:13

every lever at your disposal

52:15

and frame up a contrast don't let

52:17

this be a referendum this election the

52:20

real choice and frame of that choice for

52:22

people they're doing a lot

52:24

the administration's doing a lot i still

52:26

think they have some work to do in terms

52:29

of packaging it in a way that people

52:31

notice said

52:32

remember it it's hard to get coverage

52:34

for a second

52:35

ah but do something

52:37

every day frame it as show the contract

52:41

the guy you know and pass something

52:43

as far when desperately need to get

52:45

prescription drug reform fast we

52:47

need to get as the on

52:50

a see a subsidies extended

52:52

this a lot we can be doing we need to

52:55

the think they've been the like nimble

52:57

enough on figuring out sort of what

53:00

messages to push out every day like

53:02

you know where we're talking on thursday on

53:04

wednesday i know he didn't events at brendan

53:06

event know high oh it was about

53:09

pensions and and some of the work

53:11

they've done to save peoples' pensions which is

53:13

great work and i'm also sure without

53:16

being a pulsar myself that myself that really well

53:19

the same time you look at the news

53:22

and you know there's more mass shootings

53:25

were , only a week out from the supreme

53:27

court overturning roe v wade like do

53:29

they need to sort of be more in the news

53:32

cycle with news cycle they have him saying

53:34

or is important to just get those economic

53:36

messages out no matter what

53:38

i mean it's important to get the economic messages

53:40

that no matter what and the have been pretty aggressive

53:44

the gun message and on

53:46

on a roll v wade and the vice president

53:48

has been very active under of the way but

53:51

i do think you're identifying a problem

53:53

which is for saw there's so much going on

53:55

the profits anything

53:57

and then i think in some

53:59

ways is has

53:59

i get delivered to real people's cables

54:02

before they're gonna really a processes

54:05

but i do think there is the packaging problem

54:08

i think all of this needs to be packaged

54:10

shudder and overall umbrella that

54:13

is the contract where for the

54:15

people were for the will of the people

54:18

they are for the corporate special interests

54:20

they are for their own power there

54:22

is a real choice here here is

54:24

someone who will not allow an abortion

54:27

even in cases of rape and incest and

54:30

there is a party that is fighting mean

54:32

kane abortion care and

54:34

birth control and support

54:36

children that are born with

54:38

a child tax credit and is a party

54:40

that took said child tax credit away

54:43

from three and a half million four

54:45

kids they didn't just not do

54:47

it states that get away that

54:50

something that's really serious so

54:52

i think we've got a framing problem of how

54:54

to connect all of these thoughts in

54:56

a way that people can go and say yeah that's

54:59

my guy

55:00

that's my party there on my side

55:02

they're getting something done

55:04

speaking about the midterms are you surprised

55:06

to see the gap between bidens

55:08

lower approval ratings and and polling that

55:11

shows democratic senate candidates like raphael

55:13

warnock and john fetterman holding their own

55:15

against republican opponents in to very

55:17

competitive swing state

55:19

yeah and in fact we're gonna pick

55:21

up sentences i think that's a pretty safe project

55:23

said and sam i

55:25

think freestyle senate campaigns are like

55:28

has campaign had the ability

55:30

to develop their own message they have

55:32

enough money they get enough

55:34

press attention that

55:36

they can develop their own for fun as a

55:39

nice are big people in their states

55:41

and so is ron johnson

55:44

how is tim ryan

55:46

ryan a big figures are

55:48

treated our a bush valentine in a serious

55:51

sleeper candidate in my opinion so

55:53

i think the senate races have the money

55:55

to develop their own dynamics and voters

55:58

that will be in the state and in iowa

55:59

the year in twenty twenty

56:01

joe biden didn't have as much such as as we

56:03

might have hoped he had some code charles st george

56:06

although i think the georgia races brought him as much

56:08

as

56:08

the brought the georgia rates

56:10

but he didn't have a lot of coaches

56:12

i don't think is anna when you rotten for senate

56:15

in your say to you need to look at the presidents

56:17

of the side of the supports now and

56:19

these democrats are setting up

56:21

a populace five for setting up a change

56:23

message and they're setting up a contract

56:26

that's what we need to do presidential hm

56:29

it it sounds like you do think that will be harder to

56:31

pull off for democratic has candidates

56:33

much harder in the house i think i

56:36

think we need waves or what influence

56:38

the house and the structure right now and

56:40

the narrowness of the margin makes it facts

56:42

but i think there's some things working in our favor

56:45

the number of candidates that we have that are

56:47

taken a strong stand on opposing

56:50

the overturning roe v wade the number

56:52

of people that are wrapped up in the nominees

56:54

they have wrapped up in jail

56:56

the way sex which is turning out to

56:58

be a big ears

56:59

the of the economic distinctions

57:01

if we could i think we need to get some more

57:03

individualized vote for

57:05

just a package it's less just vote

57:07

online prescription drugs and

57:09

like the civil go back and explain

57:12

even if we lose explain to their voters

57:14

why they think that if you drive forty

57:16

miles from detroit to windsor and

57:18

you say three hundred and ten dollars

57:21

on insulin i'd like to see that

57:23

the republicans that can explain that

57:25

we've been not talking about abortion a little bit just

57:27

about every poll has shown that around sixty percent

57:29

of the country disagrees with the supreme court's

57:32

decision to overturn roe v wade and

57:34

you obviously look deeper into this polling and and conduct

57:36

focus groups how would you advise democratic

57:38

candidates in competitive states and districts

57:41

to speak most effectively about

57:43

abortion in the run up to the midterms

57:46

if i think that the abbey stream

57:49

decision and they stream ah

57:51

ah nature of what the candidates

57:53

the fall

57:54

there's really no guess quite easy we

57:57

scan strongly for what was the

57:59

last

57:59

the two years

58:01

that women can make their own crucial

58:04

decisions with their family their faith their doctors

58:07

and that you cannot make this

58:09

and should not be

58:10

you're hearing this decision as a politician

58:12

sure you have want in their shoes until

58:15

you have faith he circumstances this

58:18

is basic healthcare abortion

58:20

care if basic healthcare and now they're

58:22

going further they wanna eliminated any

58:24

cases of rape and incest and health of the mother

58:27

they want to eliminate birth control they

58:29

want to eliminate in vitro fertilization

58:31

which has helped so many families have

58:33

children they want to go question and

58:35

investigate miscarriages at

58:38

this this too far this

58:40

is a deal breaker for a lot

58:42

of women and it's motivating for

58:44

a lot of women to come out that's

58:46

a key factor for us because

58:49

right now are sides more demoralize

58:51

where friday as they thought they were promised

58:53

so out there

58:55

frustrating things are getting dance

58:57

and this is a real motivator the choice

58:59

is motivating

59:01

the even candidate should be spelling out a more decisive

59:04

mid term strategy around abortion on

59:06

a o sea has urged candidates to do

59:08

this or in democratic leadership but

59:11

david plouffe has urged them to do this and say specifically

59:14

you know if we hold the house and went to more senate seats

59:16

in november we will have

59:18

eliminate the filibuster and codified roe v

59:20

wade you think that's level of specificity

59:22

would help with voters

59:24

the would help a lot because what we

59:26

know is that the positive

59:28

the asset models as a lot better than

59:30

the

59:30

get up and a failure and

59:33

when we just focus on the negative we're

59:35

getting some women in our focus to say

59:37

i'm worried it's too late i'm worried we've

59:39

already lost it's know there is something

59:41

we can do it with in our hands it's with

59:43

in our grass and weekend

59:45

codify row and we have all

59:47

the ingredients manson has said

59:50

he would go along biden has

59:52

said he would go along every what he sees

59:54

the need for this we are unified and nests

59:56

so i agree strongly the should make an initial

59:58

but we should say what popular alternative

1:00:01

yes the governors have been very

1:00:03

strong about this then the ages

1:00:06

canada for nasa sleeper race for this is

1:00:08

gonna make him feel different they said

1:00:10

i won't prosecute i won't extradite

1:00:12

and a lot of businesses are jumping

1:00:15

in and new polling out today

1:00:17

shows voters overwhelmingly

1:00:19

support their employers getting

1:00:21

engaged in this as well and the businesses

1:00:24

that they buy

1:00:24

i'm getting engaged

1:00:26

the mentioned obviously democrats want to make this

1:00:29

election a choice and not a referendum

1:00:32

the using that also applies to you mentioned

1:00:35

you know some of that our bases is is fairly

1:00:37

demoralized right now you talked to some

1:00:39

demoralize democrats and you talk about

1:00:41

the choice they say yeah of course republicans are awful

1:00:43

but why , i come out to

1:00:45

vote just because you know i'm

1:00:47

going to try to stop something from worse

1:00:50

from happening is that the best we can do or are we

1:00:52

going actually anything out of my vote would you would

1:00:54

you sort of think about what with in terms

1:00:56

of those voters

1:00:57

i think you i think you've identified

1:00:59

a key problem with she has we can

1:01:01

to try to motivate people with a negative as

1:01:03

he far more effective to notice and motivate

1:01:06

people with a positive that's what we get and twenty

1:01:08

see that's what we getting twenty twenty we

1:01:10

stored twenty four as it

1:01:12

was against trump said it was as

1:01:14

for something kids it was for

1:01:16

protesting health

1:01:17

so even when you're against

1:01:19

a set of actors you can be

1:01:21

for something is your own words suggested

1:01:24

around choice same thing with prescription

1:01:27

drug and a we should

1:01:29

be the people that are taking the wrong

1:01:31

positions democrat or republican

1:01:33

we have the power to do that

1:01:35

the you basically just you can't forget about both sides

1:01:37

have a choice make it a choice election make it about

1:01:39

what republicans are going to do and what they've

1:01:41

already done but also makes

1:01:43

her you'd tell people what democrats are going to do

1:01:46

if we give us a bigger majority

1:01:47

i think we need some more votes on the record

1:01:50

like on prescription drugs like

1:01:52

on our family care

1:01:54

you name it we've got a lot of opportunities

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outage have making a wealthy pay their fair share

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what they owe and

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so that we can do what we need

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to do and these are contrasts

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where we can have a positive and negative and

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a free fall few votes short okay

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it still makes it within gold the party

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is clear the candidates that you're voting

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for are clear let's support them

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and must select a couple more of them and take

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this fact

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last question

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we were just talking about how donald trump might

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announce his presidential bid before the

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mid terms or how do you think that would change

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the dynamics of the race and how

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would you advise our midterm candidates to adjust

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their message if that happened

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ha ha ha ha i think it would be

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amazing because

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voters do not want donald trump

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and they are they are of women voters in

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particular who do not think

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maybe he has some good ideas but

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the way he did things we can namco back to

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that division we cannot go back then

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i think he's getting i think the january six

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hearings are doing a really good job

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of showing someone who are

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and cited and mob plan violence

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content is treason or in my opinion

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and opinion voters the thing is at least

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at criminal that should be in jail so

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jail think that couldn't

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be better it's ironic and it's a

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pure ego play because the trump voters

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are already jerry energize you

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don't need to do this to energize their base

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but it well i think have an opportunity

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to energize airbase because twenty

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twenty two is the first vote against

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donald trump card back and twenty twenty four

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that's a good messages any right

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there for a cylinder

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