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So I want to jump right into some

2:31

news. I'm not going to front with you

2:34

all. This news scares me because

2:36

when I hear mass trauma,

2:40

from my toes up

2:42

into my heart, trauma

2:44

just comes. And

2:47

this story about these black

2:50

girls who did

2:52

a mass problem that was supposed to be impossible

2:55

to do, but they did it. I'm

2:58

going to be real with you. I watched the 60 Minutes clip

3:01

probably 60, 11

3:03

times and I still didn't quite understand

3:05

what they did. But I

3:07

know that it was great, that it was

3:09

spectacular and that it was black

3:12

girls finding a possibility in

3:14

the impossible. How did y'all feel? Did y'all see

3:16

the clip? I

3:20

loved this story because it

3:23

was, I mean, you know,

3:25

they basically redefined the

3:27

Pythagorean theorem, which might

3:30

sound familiar to you from your high school math

3:33

classes. But for 2,000

3:35

years, there was only one way to do it. And

3:38

based on a challenge that the school put

3:40

up for $500, these two young ladies worked

3:45

really hard and figured out something

3:47

new. And

3:50

it makes me so excited. I mean, you

3:52

know, as a little black

3:54

girl underneath all of this, I'm

3:58

sure there were a zillion people who who never

4:00

thought that a

4:02

young black student could, or a set of

4:04

young black students, have

4:07

the capacity to do this. And in

4:09

fact, their school has gotten a lot

4:12

of racist comments and emails and blowback.

4:16

But I think we all know that

4:19

there is infinite possibility in our community

4:21

and these, and we prove it over

4:23

and over and over again, in

4:25

fashion, in music, in science,

4:28

in inventions, and in

4:30

math, y'all, math, math,

4:32

math. And

4:34

what I most loved about it there

4:37

was somebody who said, oh,

4:39

these girls are unicorns. And

4:42

the little girl said, well, if I'm a

4:44

unicorn, then my school is full of a

4:46

whole bunch of beautiful black unicorns. And

4:49

that is something that I say all the time,

4:51

I'm not a unicorn, I come from a herd

4:53

of unicorns. You just ain't never seen nothing like

4:55

us before. And so shout out

4:57

to Nikia and Calcia for

5:00

doing the damn thing. They're now in

5:02

college. They did this in high school,

5:04

they're now in college. And

5:07

I'm super excited for what these

5:09

young mathematicians are gonna continue to

5:11

do to shatter people's expectations about what

5:13

young, smart black kids can do. So they

5:15

originally did this a couple of years ago

5:17

when they went to high school and they

5:20

are in college now, 60 Minutes has been

5:22

covering, has sort of been following it.

5:24

And they did a great set of interviews with

5:26

their parents, with the teacher, and

5:28

I love it. And these girls are Gs.

5:30

And not only did they solve it in

5:33

high school because of the contest, but

5:35

they have continued working on more

5:37

proofs in college because they're in

5:40

college now. And they

5:42

think that they have found five more

5:44

proofs of something that

5:46

they were told was impossible. And

5:48

I just love it. And when you

5:50

hear their parents talk about it, their parents are like,

5:52

we'll know, we definitely don't know this kind of math.

5:55

But they're like, they just have buckets

5:57

of papers where they were working through it.

6:01

20, 30 sheets where they just, and they kept throwing

6:03

them away and starting over and going, throwing them away

6:05

and starting over and just, and they worked it till

6:07

they got it. And I just love that. It's such

6:09

a good reminder as a former math teacher that practice

6:12

matters. And that, you

6:14

know, I think about all the people who've never

6:16

had access to a whole host of things. I

6:19

think about, and kind of, you know this from

6:22

schooling, I think about all the parents who were

6:24

in my high school who fought for their kids,

6:26

their white parents who like demanded that their kids

6:28

were in the highest math classes. And I saw

6:31

all these amazing, brilliant black kids who were tracked

6:33

in the lowest classes, whose parents would have never

6:35

come up to the school and demanded. Like my

6:37

father would have never told a teacher to do

6:40

something or told the guy like that, was it?

6:42

He's like, you listen to the teacher. But I

6:44

saw for the first time in high school, parents

6:47

like forced schools to do right by their kids. Cause

6:49

they were like, you know, you going to do this.

6:52

And I think about how many kids we left

6:54

behind because the system just has not done right

6:56

by them. So I love this story. One of

6:58

the things that really always got me with math,

7:01

and I am one of those people. I don't think

7:03

math is, I don't think anything's for everybody. I really

7:05

don't. And how brilliant I

7:08

am in certain realms and how not

7:11

so brilliant I am in other realms just

7:13

confirms that for me. And math was one

7:15

of those, was one of those places. But

7:17

I remember one of the things that would

7:19

bother me when I was in school around

7:22

math was that there was such a, this

7:24

is the answer. This is the, this is

7:26

how you get there. This is, there's really,

7:28

there was no wiggle room, at least in

7:30

my experience of how math was taught to

7:32

me. So what's also really almost like magical

7:34

about this story is that math, which is

7:36

something that is so like, static

7:38

and this is how you get here. And there's no,

7:40

and there's not too many shortcuts or

7:43

other ways or other ways to

7:45

think about it. Like that, that

7:47

math has become like liquid with

7:49

this story in that even something

7:51

as static and solid and concrete

7:53

as math has become like

7:55

liquid in the, in the, in the minds of these

7:57

black girls. That was Really cool to me. Last.

8:00

Week I participated in

8:02

a webinar with The

8:05

Punches academics around assisting

8:07

mass mindsets, rights, And

8:09

the point of this is the

8:11

fact. That we have told people that

8:13

they can't do math or not everybody

8:16

is math minded and whatnot. And the

8:18

simple power of. Shifting.

8:20

These narratives for helping people understand

8:23

math is not static. Math is

8:25

actually very fluid for helping people

8:27

understand that practice is like practice

8:30

actually makes better at mass death

8:32

struggle as part of the the

8:34

thing and then making massive relevant

8:36

like when kids are solving problems

8:39

that are worthy of their time

8:41

and it's insane that's on have

8:43

impacts for themselves, their families, their

8:46

communities like kids are actually great

8:48

at mass and when. Kids get

8:50

a really good math foundation and

8:52

South's lot of things that we've

8:54

gotta do in this country is

8:56

renegotiate our. Our

8:59

relationship with math there is a set

9:01

of. People who want us to

9:03

continue to believe that masses only

9:06

the purview of a small group

9:08

of really smart usually way usually

9:10

mans people and the truth of

9:13

the matter is. Young. Ladies

9:15

like next year and can see

9:17

I have every right to mass

9:20

as these you know all. Sale

9:22

Pale Mail. The Boss arm

9:24

and so I'm here for at

9:26

all. I'm here for helping educators

9:28

understand how they can break the

9:30

current math mindsets and help people

9:32

embrace mass and new ways. Gab.

9:36

Freak blackout about even watching

9:39

that story. Before. You

9:41

start your math classes like watching language

9:43

having that be a part of a

9:45

job of it now seems how black

9:48

kids attack math. to

9:50

i'm one number two the

9:52

other are sixty nine guy

9:55

drives a coma One

10:02

thing I do know is four plus four. I'm

10:04

a kid with eight. That

10:09

is a man that I know how to do. So

10:13

I got my start. One

10:15

of the first places that I ever asked me to write was OK

10:17

Player. My mom

10:19

reminded me that there was this website called allhiphop.com

10:22

that I used to write for when

10:25

I was 15 and I was too young to really

10:27

work. But I would write for that. So I say

10:30

what to say is I love hip hop culture. I

10:33

would consider myself a student of hip hop. This

10:38

has been one of the most

10:40

exhilarating days in hip hop

10:43

in a extremely long time. If

10:45

you have been absolutely living next

10:48

to SpongeBob SquarePants Under the Sea

10:50

and you don't already know this

10:52

story. Kendrick Lamar and

10:55

Drake have been beefing. And

10:58

when I tell you Kendrick

11:01

they have not been letting each other

11:03

breathe. There hasn't been a solid 24

11:05

hours since Euphoria drops. There hasn't been

11:07

a song response from Drake. And then

11:09

once Drake dropped something I believe

11:11

that it was 15 minutes after

11:13

Drake dropped the Family Matters.

11:17

Kendrick Lamar drops Meet the Grams

11:19

which is this like very haunting

11:22

almost scary, horror rap takedown

11:25

of Drake as letters to Drake's family

11:28

member starting with his son. Then

11:33

when you think it's all over Kendrick

11:35

Lamar comes back and does a victory

11:37

lap in the form

11:39

of Not Like Us and really buckles

11:41

down on some really nasty claims that

11:43

Drake was messing with minors and there's

11:46

this line and this says a

11:48

minor and that kind of is just.

11:51

I don't know it's one of those things

11:53

where I don't even know if you can

11:55

come back like it's one it's specifically

11:57

in the age of the internet now that

12:00

that is out there, now that that is

12:02

a song, now that people were in the

12:04

streets, Crip walking to it and

12:07

drinking and talking about it

12:10

and laughing about it. It's like, that

12:13

is like forever a part

12:16

of your legacy now, even as

12:18

gross and as sad as

12:20

that is. But any

12:22

who child, how did y'all feel about this rap

12:24

beef? Again, I think that

12:27

this is exciting because I do

12:29

think that Drake and his ghost writers are

12:31

extremely talented. And I think that Kendra Jamal

12:33

is also really talented. Drake and his ghost

12:36

writers. And his ghost writers, shout out to

12:38

the ghost writers. You

12:41

gotta shout them out, I see dead people. Like

12:44

I saw, I think that

12:46

the tension and seeing two rappers who

12:49

are on top of their game go

12:51

back and forth has been really exciting.

12:53

And like, let's be honest, like hip

12:56

hop, rap music, right

12:58

now has not necessarily been centered around

13:00

skill, has not been centered around storytelling,

13:02

has not been centered around the competitive

13:04

nature of I deserve to lead this

13:07

cultural community into its next era, which

13:09

is what the king of rap is,

13:11

right? Is that person who's leading this

13:13

cultural community into its next era and

13:15

being able to deserve that. There hasn't

13:17

been that competitive nature in it. And

13:19

it's just seemed to be

13:21

back and it's been exciting. And like

13:23

every, my favorite YouTubers have been going

13:25

live every 15 minutes because of that. And

13:29

let me excuse myself. So Kendrick

13:32

Lamar drops Meet the

13:34

Grahams one hour after Drake drops

13:36

Family Matters. So again, did not

13:38

give him even a full

13:41

24 to

13:44

be able to breathe. Where were y'all

13:46

at when this drops? How do y'all feel? Do

13:49

you have favorite lines? Will you be

13:51

writing the eulogy? I

13:53

was disappointed in Drake's reply.

13:55

I thought this last thing was gonna be a

13:57

little better than it is, but you know, It's

14:00

been interesting, people have been like, we're

14:03

focusing too much on this. I will tell

14:06

you, this was the only thing on my timeline yesterday.

14:08

It was, I see nothing else

14:10

but Drake and Kendrick. And what's

14:12

interesting about it is that it led

14:14

to a host of conversations about grooming,

14:20

about the grooming that happens in the

14:22

entertainment industry, about massage

14:24

noir, about friendship,

14:27

about a whole host of things.

14:29

It was a really expansive conversation

14:31

that happened. And even today, people

14:34

are saying the obvious, there's

14:36

really no reason why a 35 year

14:39

old should be friends with a

14:41

15 year old, like friends. You're like, this

14:43

is a weird thing. That whole conversation about

14:45

Millie Bobby Brown, Millie Bobby Brown, that's the

14:47

name, right? And what Drake's text to her.

14:49

And even that, me and my friends were

14:51

talking about it. And I'll never forget being

14:53

in the same room as Sasha and Malia.

14:56

And I almost went up and said something to them.

14:58

And I'm like, you're a grown man. There's not a

15:00

world where I will go up to an 11 year

15:02

old and be like, can I get a picture? Like

15:05

that just, no matter who you are, that doesn't make

15:07

sense. I'm an adult. And I

15:09

remember being like, oh, that's Sasha and Malia. And I'm

15:11

like, lead them alone, they kids. Everybody lead them alone.

15:13

They are children. And I think

15:15

that this, Kendrick ate

15:17

him up. There's nothing I could say,

15:19

but ate him for breakfast, lunch, dinner.

15:21

I almost am like Kendrick, don't put

15:24

out another record because he already down,

15:26

just let him stay down. It's too much. But

15:29

Kendrick did that. And I will also say that

15:31

this is like, you know, you just don't like

15:34

somebody and you don't even gotta pretend, you

15:37

ain't gotta make something up. Kendrick is like,

15:39

I don't like him. And that's it. And you're like,

15:41

you know what? I get it. So

15:44

a lot of people don't like Drake, I realize. Not

15:47

I don't like him. Oh, I hate

15:49

him. I hate you. I

15:51

hate the way you say bloop. I

15:54

hate that bloop, you bloop. I hate that like,

15:58

this is my I don't like you. different

16:00

level a completely different level of

16:03

disregard and disrespect sorry

16:05

go ahead the only got things no

16:07

the last thing I forgot sorry Metro

16:09

Boomin's contest spawned genius because some of

16:12

those raps Metro Boomin a famous producer

16:14

he put out a beat and asked

16:16

people to rap over it criticizing

16:19

Drake some of the

16:21

stuff people all I heard something from

16:24

Paris like people were on it so

16:26

this is the auntie version of the

16:28

thing and full disclosure like

16:31

I heard you

16:35

for you when it dropped and

16:38

I might have listened to it ten different times I

16:41

thought it like it is brilliant

16:43

it and every single time you

16:45

listen to it you get some

16:47

new nugget some different understanding of

16:49

a metaphor like it is absolutely

16:52

brilliant I was like this is what happens when

16:54

you let a Pulitzer Prize winner get at

16:57

you right and like I was like okay

16:59

we are to me I you know I

17:02

was around when hip-hop started and this

17:04

is the essence of hip-hop right beef

17:06

in diss tracks like this is and

17:08

I was like oh my god we're

17:10

finally past the mumble rap phase we

17:13

are back to like real hip-hop this

17:15

is quintessential hip-hop and

17:17

then and then I

17:19

listened to not

17:22

like us oh wait can I also

17:24

just say let me pause parenthetically to

17:26

say that part of the reason why

17:28

euphoria had me in a chokehold is

17:30

because it starts off with a little

17:32

teddy pender grass which is my favorite

17:34

my most favorite honey ow come on

17:36

see this is what I'm talking about anyway

17:39

then you're my greatest come

17:42

On Listen to them then I listen to

17:44

not like us and I was like oh

17:46

my god like this is bananas. this is

17:48

so crazy. Meet the grams I don't know.

17:50

somewhere in auntie them over the weekend running

17:52

around, doing errands, doing other things I missed

17:55

the whole second part of this thing. So

17:57

now I gotta go back and pull it

17:59

all together. But. As sale and

18:01

as his say some. Energizing. Exciting.

18:03

like even for the old Like

18:06

earth like this is this is

18:08

hip hop. Maybe this is hip

18:10

hop and I'm I. I will

18:13

say I. Agree with she directs Rick

18:15

Ross said he was like email lists and

18:17

I mean you that be straight or matter

18:19

friend but clearly you know how no friends

18:21

Some as a whistle friend said tell you

18:24

if you have some. Don't.

18:26

Respond to this Sicily with alone

18:28

just go away when I went.

18:32

And apparently that's not what happens now.

18:34

I will also say that he is a

18:36

thing about Rick Ross is plane had the

18:39

lead and he said it drake. Attacked

18:42

him would have fighters it.com or

18:44

less to stop acting fooling around

18:46

with less less less weird regular

18:48

fight as if from tell Me

18:50

That and and really Rick Ross

18:52

and figured out of work and

18:54

with but I love this and.

18:56

Love Love Love this! I'm excited to

18:58

go back and listen to part to

19:00

be smaller, Gather and think about this

19:03

some more. So yeah yeah. It's

19:06

it's it's it's so. Good.

19:09

A member Other thing to eve.

19:13

You know me I'm always thinking about like

19:15

any time things are like conflict thing I

19:18

always think about that the idea of people

19:20

and like what they represent and to i

19:22

think are not act from gotta do to

19:24

you or during or maybe both of y'all

19:26

say it's how come. You

19:29

didn't know? For me, people didn't

19:31

like Drake and and Seat. that's

19:33

true, but are also being so

19:36

many people specifically laughing about the

19:38

listeners. I think so many people.

19:41

Ah, I. Have been.

19:45

Upset around the.

19:48

Up the commerce side of

19:50

wrap be above the colts

19:52

role. Tallied. side of

19:54

wrap you know what i mean and

19:57

i think that kendrick is like symbolic

20:00

I always think when things like this happen,

20:02

somebody's symbolic or something, that's just how

20:04

my brain works, but it is hard

20:06

enough to see that Kendrick Lamar isn't

20:08

also symbolic for a type of rap

20:10

that isn't dictated by the internet, that

20:12

isn't dictated by gossip, that isn't dictated

20:15

by, that you can't act your way

20:17

into, you know, I'm 33, so

20:19

I remember Drake in

20:21

Degrassi. Great

20:24

guy. You know what I mean? I'm

20:26

not a rapper. So it's

20:29

really weird to see somebody,

20:31

this suburban kid who's a

20:33

child actor, like act his

20:35

way into this status, and

20:40

for nobody to, you know, even on Euphoria,

20:42

he reverses Richard Pryor in the Wizard of,

20:44

excuse me, The Wiz, when he says, you

20:47

know, everything they say about me is true,

20:49

that's Richard Pryor saying that in

20:51

reverse, so really saying that, no, this is a

20:53

fake, this is somebody who's pretending to

20:55

be something that he's not, and we're

20:57

talking about it, so it feels like

21:00

that kind of cultural battle's happening,

21:04

too, not just around Drake and Kendrick Lamar,

21:06

but around art versus commerce, and I think

21:08

that's why so many people are energized by

21:10

this as well, because I think so many

21:13

people are tired of just everything being so

21:15

much about commerce. Hey,

21:17

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only works because there are layers

24:54

and layers of people and processes

24:56

that allow it to work at

24:58

scale. And I'm always interested in

25:00

how that happens. My first

25:03

fascination of it was in school systems and I

25:05

saw like, you know, if the woman

25:07

who processes you leave is out, you probably

25:09

are screwed. Or if there's a new person

25:11

who does this one thing, you're in a

25:13

bind. And what I'm talking

25:16

about today is in New York City that

25:19

there are 28 marshals who

25:21

help collect debts owed

25:25

in New York City and there are 11 of

25:27

them who New York City's watchdog agency

25:31

has actually filed charges

25:33

against. And this is a

25:35

level of corruption that completely

25:38

disrupts people's lives. And I was fascinated

25:41

by it and to think

25:43

that 11 out of 28 people have charges

25:45

against them. And as somebody who used

25:47

to work inside the government, I can only imagine what

25:49

they have not uncovered. So let me explain what

25:52

happened. The Marshals, and

25:54

I didn't even know these people existed.

25:56

The marshals are the people who enforce

25:58

court order evictions. Money to entrance

26:00

They do not make any money. The obvious

26:02

that I mean they do actually make money

26:05

interesting but they don't have a salary and

26:07

appointed by the me on a five year

26:09

term as and they're allowed to keep five

26:11

percent of whatever they collect but they must

26:13

turn over to the city four point five

26:15

percent of the growth amount collected. Some.

26:18

Of the Marshals, even though they

26:20

don't make a salary, they because

26:22

I know what they can collect,

26:24

they make over a million dollars

26:26

annually. Now a goddamn in a

26:28

bind is as some of the

26:30

Marshals were levying leans on things

26:32

outside of their jurisdiction. And

26:35

those people. Sued.

26:38

And that is seemingly what tipped the

26:40

sauce legally. It has also been complaining

26:42

that they have not been giving people

26:44

two weeks notice before they I do

26:46

the evictions and I was reading about

26:48

this know my can. I didn't even

26:50

know this existed but I will tell

26:52

you that this whole set up to

26:54

feel like a gateway to corruption. It

26:56

makes sense to me that she would

26:58

have people can levy leans and all

27:00

that stuff cause you know somebody at

27:02

and forth and I make sense but

27:04

you have created a financial incentive for

27:06

them to do it. Ember A. Map feel

27:08

like not the goal of public service and I

27:10

can only imagine that a you know the people

27:13

that sued them are like already out a lot

27:15

of money so they were getting levees on them

27:17

but. They were big business.

27:19

Ah, who was deemed a predatory linda

27:21

but they were like a big company.

27:23

I think about all the people that

27:25

these marshals it probably screwed over, who

27:28

don't have the means to sue, who

27:30

don't have the resources to push back

27:32

to live to. Been forever changed because

27:34

this small group of people with an

27:36

extraordinary amount of power and no oversight

27:39

have wrecked havoc. I want to bring

27:41

a here because I learned in this

27:43

way. Thank you for bringing this includes.

27:45

Always seemed like something really shady and.

27:48

Ah, I'm. like

27:51

or like while he criminal as hell

27:53

is happening underneath all types like public

27:55

service in i think that again are

27:58

often that can be overwhelming and these

28:01

stories are really important. I think the main

28:03

broad thing that I always return to

28:05

when I hear stories like this is

28:07

how certain things, in my opinion, should not

28:09

be financially incentivized. I

28:12

think that that is the big, that's

28:14

the big, the motivational factor. I

28:17

think about how many people I know

28:19

who have had their lives changed because

28:21

of eviction, because of these different things.

28:27

And when I look at articles like

28:29

this, it shows that the financial incentives

28:31

are also making it so that

28:34

these type of horrible, and

28:38

to me, just at least

28:40

socially criminal behaviors persist where

28:43

because you have that financial incentive to

28:45

do them. And that's the big thing

28:47

that always strung into my heart is

28:49

just that we should be doing

28:51

public service because the public

28:53

deserves to be served, not because it's a means to

28:55

get rich or to be able to get

28:58

money. I

29:00

think that's right. The incentives

29:02

are all wrong. I would also say

29:05

oversight is all wrong because the Department

29:07

of Investigations knew that these people were

29:10

not doing the right thing. The

29:13

article notes that there were 550 complaints

29:17

about city marshals since 2019,

29:21

and they've initiated 30 investigations.

29:26

Those numbers don't even sound right to me.

29:28

If you got 550 complaints against a set

29:30

of 28 people, it's only 28

29:32

of them, then you

29:34

know that something is rampantly wrong.

29:36

And so you shirk your oversight

29:40

responsibility if you're only looking into

29:42

30 of them or you're not

29:44

hiring an outside organization to do

29:46

the deep investigation. And so I

29:49

think that good for these

29:51

people for suing, even if they are bad people,

29:53

a broken clock is right twice a day, as

29:57

my grandmother would say. And,

29:59

you know, It also I think.

30:02

Is. Important to remember that without

30:04

a free press we don't

30:07

know about. Things like this,

30:09

and I think that

30:11

the press is increasingly

30:13

compromised and and disincentivize.

30:15

And punish France writing stories like

30:17

this. But keep going journalists. Keep

30:20

on doing this so that we know

30:22

what's happening with. Our these are

30:24

our tax dollars. These are our

30:26

tax dollars that these people are

30:28

keeping and clearly this is an

30:30

an area of the government doesn't

30:32

need of deeper for my news

30:34

this week comes to us from.

30:38

Baton Rouge, Louisiana where in.

30:40

Fact: I'm secession is happening,

30:42

not success and like the.

30:45

So secession which is

30:47

the breaking away on.

30:50

Of a municipality from another

30:52

municipalities. Here is the story

30:54

Baton Rouge Louisiana Public Schools

30:56

are with schools and which

30:58

I always they are a

31:00

microcosm of society. The school

31:03

district is largely black arm

31:05

and most folks in North

31:07

Baton Rouge are black and

31:09

low incomes. Ah, I'm The

31:11

school district is becoming more

31:13

and more colorful each year

31:15

on. In the southern part

31:17

of the city, there is

31:19

a small community call. St. George,

31:21

which is largely white and affluent

31:23

and since Twenty fifteen, St. George

31:25

has been trying to secede or

31:28

break away from East Baton Rouge.

31:30

First, they wanted to create their

31:32

own school district because they feel

31:34

like the people run in the

31:36

school districts are wasting their tax

31:38

dollars and feeling their kids because

31:40

they're not providing them with a

31:43

high quality education arm. And

31:45

they pursued a few different legal

31:47

strategy is to try to incorporate

31:49

their own school district. They all

31:52

failed I'm and so they took

31:54

a page from ah, what's happening

31:56

in a number of cities and

31:58

counties around the. The country were

32:01

largely white affluent populations are.

32:03

I'm voting to incorporate their

32:05

own cities to break away

32:07

from Baton Rouge and create

32:09

the incorporated city of St.

32:11

George. And as I said,

32:13

the started in Twenty Fifteen

32:15

sale the couple of times

32:17

and twenty eighteen they read

32:19

up and went at it

32:21

in a different direction, this

32:23

city wide and corporations. And

32:25

last week they won at

32:27

the Louisiana Supreme court and

32:29

so. St. George will

32:32

be able to pull

32:34

completely away from I'm.

32:37

From Baton Rouge it will have it's

32:39

own school system. They. Will have

32:41

it's own see services and com.

32:43

This is a strategy that not.

32:45

Just happening in Louisiana is

32:48

happening all around the country.

32:50

Shelby County Schools pulled away

32:52

from Memphis. In Birmingham, you

32:54

only need a few hundred

32:56

kids to create your own

32:58

school district and self. All

33:00

of the wealthy white communities

33:02

have pulled out of Birmingham

33:04

Public Schools, leaving it to

33:06

be almost completely black and

33:08

completely low incomes. And for

33:10

those who don't understand the

33:12

implications beyond race, there is

33:14

a financial implications. Are high

33:16

school districts are funded on

33:18

the city's tax base and

33:20

so on. The estimation

33:23

of St. George moving out

33:25

of Baton Rouge, they believe

33:27

it to be a forty

33:29

eight million dollars loss of

33:31

taxes to the city, but

33:33

it's also a loss of

33:35

funds, funding for the school

33:37

district. And so when I

33:39

think about the dystopian future,

33:41

it just puts a pathway

33:43

to see no gated communities,

33:45

gated cities, walls around cities

33:47

because people don't wanna be

33:49

with other people's children. And

33:51

the children. Who are most

33:54

likely to suffer from

33:56

our. Poor. black children

33:58

there is a community

34:00

in Atlanta that has pulled

34:02

out because it didn't want

34:05

its white children to be

34:07

with Negro children. And that

34:09

is the, that's the town that

34:11

they, that these St. George people are

34:13

basing their example on.

34:16

And so this

34:18

is economic racism. This

34:20

is academic racism. And

34:22

this is just plain, oh, I

34:25

don't want my children with those colorful

34:27

children racism. And I think we're going

34:29

to continue to see more of wealthy

34:32

white communities pulling out every

34:34

policy stop that they possibly can

34:36

to move far away from

34:38

us, to continue to create rules

34:41

that kill and destroy not

34:43

just individually, like we saw with

34:45

the CHIPS program last week

34:47

in Florida, but that

34:49

destroy us collectively. And

34:52

I brought this to the pod because I wanted people to thank you

34:54

so much, Kaya for bringing

34:56

this to the pod. I know that DeRay probably has

34:58

something way more hopefully profound to

35:01

say than I do right now, but this

35:03

definitely reminds me of White Flight, of course. And

35:07

also, and I feel like

35:09

I've maybe said this a couple of times on this

35:11

pod in the last two weeks, but I think that

35:13

sometimes we, because

35:16

of what's happening in Israel, what's happening in Palestine

35:19

and like what's going on, that sometimes

35:21

we couldn't always externalize the genocide

35:26

that are happening over there. This to

35:28

me is also one of those ways

35:30

that you exterminate futures. This is also

35:32

one of those ways that you wield

35:34

your white power in order to annihilate

35:37

Black possibility by knowing that there are certain

35:39

types of funding, certain types of, you just

35:41

know money, incentive, attention that you'll get when

35:44

you have a mixed school, a mixed class

35:46

school, as well as a mixed race school.

35:48

And you are intentionally taking that white power

35:50

away. So these Black children won't get the

35:52

crumbs of it. You know what I mean?

35:54

There's so many things that happened to me.

35:56

I went to school in Georgia. There are

35:59

so many things. things that I was able to

36:01

participate in simply because there's so

36:03

many things that I got to participate in,

36:05

not because I was just this special black

36:07

kid, but because there was some white kids

36:10

who went to my school and because we

36:12

had a mixed class or mixed

36:14

class and I'm just seeing classes in

36:16

financial income type of school. So there

36:19

were certain possibilities that were available to

36:21

me that I got to benefit from

36:23

that if those white kids or those

36:25

white families decided to do this, I

36:28

just, they wouldn't even be tangible to me.

36:30

So I do see this as a type of

36:33

like legalized violence. I see this as a type

36:35

of like wielding of a certain type of white

36:37

supremacist violence that I think that maybe

36:40

feels harsh to name it like that,

36:42

but I don't really see any other

36:44

way to think about it, you know,

36:47

because we all know what's going

36:49

to happen to lower income black

36:51

kids who don't have access to

36:55

programs or the financial backing that they

36:57

should have. It's going to happen

36:59

to those, to those kids. So it's

37:02

hard for me to imagine it any other type of way. The

37:04

only thing I'll say is, A, I didn't know

37:06

that the secession efforts

37:09

in Louisiana date back hundreds of years

37:11

that they, it seems like they

37:13

are able to do it now, but they've been trying

37:15

to do this for a long

37:17

time. They've been trying to secede from the country.

37:19

They've been trying to break apart the state and

37:23

that the history of voter suppression in Louisiana

37:25

is long. That

37:27

they had a reading

37:29

requirement that they called the understanding clause

37:32

of the concept of their state constitution.

37:34

That said, if you don't understand the

37:36

constitution, you can't vote. As

37:38

you can imagine, they deemed it that the

37:40

black people didn't understand the constitution. So they

37:42

disenfranchised hordes of people. They

37:46

have a felony disenfranchisement loss. Have you convicted of

37:48

a felony in the past? They

37:50

make you jump through hoops with paperwork

37:52

to regain the vote. They're

37:55

being sued by civil rights groups for it,

37:57

but they make you Personally.

38:00

Down information that the Department corrections already

38:02

gives this day just to prove that

38:04

you really want to vote and they

38:06

do these bureaucratic hoops. But the last

38:09

thing I'll say about Louisiana as you

38:11

probably remember that they were found in

38:13

violation of the Voting Rights Act or

38:16

because they had gerrymandered the maps. So

38:18

much of the people in Baton Rouge

38:20

or disenfranchised at the state level with

38:22

elections namely like the State Supreme Court.

38:25

They had to redo the map

38:28

they read did the math, the

38:30

Governor just signed the maps and

38:32

then the Louisiana State Supreme Court

38:34

with to trump people as nails

38:36

said the map is deemed unconstitutional.

38:38

Now this is already been an

38:41

issue with Alabama. The court ruled

38:43

it that they have a fix

38:45

the map. It is likely that.

38:48

The. Supreme court will intervene and they will

38:50

also have to fix the map again

38:52

by. What the Republicans are

38:54

playing in Louisiana? If a time game

38:56

that you know the supreme court's gonna

38:59

gone break at some point soon, so

39:01

the supreme court might just not way

39:03

until after November. And.

39:06

This racist Matt my be the math pet.

39:09

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39:11

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39:13

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39:15

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43:04

discussion about rich relations in America I'll be

43:06

discussing it further in my future interviews Morgan

43:10

Jerkins Replies back a

43:12

lie. He tagged my employer multiple times

43:14

with the intention to professionally harm me

43:16

I didn't troll I sent her black

43:18

people in the discussion on hip-hop and

43:20

told him to stand down because it's

43:22

not his space He's backtracking because he

43:24

miscalculated by the way stop contacting my

43:26

family also, what you might not

43:29

know is that Morgan Jerkins is also related to Rodney

43:32

Durkin so that Durkin's name is real, you

43:34

know Yeah,

43:40

we have we have we had to

43:42

have gotten meals and coffees when I

43:44

first got here She got some good

43:46

brandy music stories that I felt that

43:48

were juicy So if you don't understand

43:50

why DJ lab might try to actually

43:52

contact her family It's because her family

43:54

is in a part of music history

43:56

as well. So And

44:01

then again I wanted to have his

44:03

back and with it feels like they've

44:05

kinda com averages right. Thing is this

44:07

commerce birth of the art thing and

44:09

I feel like these a lab maybe

44:11

miscalculate a little bit because it seemed

44:13

like people worried. So geared up by

44:15

Kendrick Lamar be like yeah you're not

44:17

one above seventy They were saying something

44:19

to be like yo you're not one

44:21

of us either I feel like I'm

44:23

a lot more people fell energize to

44:25

call out in or it's her arm.

44:27

Third said foods that are fight back

44:29

these kind. Of like wholesome Heard voted out

44:31

there have been in the culture and be

44:34

like yo like way is Natchez's Drake who

44:36

were talking about right now with from what

44:38

everybody who eve I'm. Taking. Pieces

44:40

of hip hop A using it to profit

44:42

we're we were entire of at all and

44:45

ability they lads might have miscalculated when he

44:47

was able to do with far as a

44:49

white man as far as a troll as

44:51

far the internet personality at the he really

44:53

miscalculated who he was talking to and I'm

44:56

who was viewing and how the the public

44:58

will respond because let's be real on usually

45:00

you can do that the black women on

45:02

the internet and nothing happy or nobody comes

45:04

to save for that nobody comes to save

45:07

her. but I think a Morgan have a

45:09

lot of arm cultural privilege. Princeton Durbin family

45:11

member was also. I think that this

45:13

era in this mode me right now

45:15

people are tired of seeing stuff like

45:17

that and that was is horrible optics

45:19

but I'm what what he what he

45:21

all think I didn't There are a

45:23

lotta really interesting conversation they'll respond because

45:25

of the back and forth and the

45:27

frankly are still going on. This.

45:30

More than I love that. More him than my

45:32

him. Off the hook you know can Vlad's are?

45:34

I didn't interview on the gameplan about the protests

45:37

a long time with I had no clue who

45:39

he was. There was a psych. Another young lot

45:41

of talk about the protests. I'm Amy, Been you,

45:43

I canada that ass. I'd never heard of him

45:45

before and the more I learn I'm like oh,

45:47

his niche is like the old rappers. Who.

45:51

Are. Been interviewed anywhere else. And.

45:55

M I T just creates a lot of

45:57

news from. From. me sort of

45:59

things and But he

46:01

definitely tried to get her fired. And his like,

46:03

try to rebrand this morning was like, it was

46:05

the most caring thing of all to

46:08

not be like, well, let me just disagree

46:10

with you Morgan, but immediately be like Princeton,

46:13

let this woman, you're like, come

46:15

on. I didn't know who DJ

46:17

Vlad was. So thank you to

46:19

the auntie crew for hipping us

46:21

to the culture, well, not the

46:23

culture, to the people in and

46:25

around and exploiting the culture. But

46:27

first of all, I just,

46:30

I read Morgan's whole entire thread

46:32

and she keeps it classy,

46:34

but she not let them off the hook

46:36

is the nice way of saying it. Like

46:38

she's like, first of all, do you know

46:40

who I am? Like, and I didn't

46:42

say you can't comment. Like this is

46:44

what I am saying. And so I

46:47

thought her, her take down was just

46:49

lovely, but more than that,

46:51

that like the different people who have

46:53

come to her aid or who've come

46:55

to defend her. There's a

46:57

professor at the University of Maryland who wrote,

46:59

Hey Vulture Vlad, I'm a professor at the

47:01

University of Maryland College Park. Please also call

47:04

my job to complain about me on Monday.

47:06

Cause I think your colonizer like engagement with

47:08

hip hop has earned black folks the right

47:10

to ask you to stay out of these

47:12

discussions. Peace. Shout out,

47:14

Rhian Amlakar Scott. I

47:18

do think that one of

47:21

the questions around hip hop, is who

47:23

does it belong to? Right? And

47:25

I think, you know, I've been all

47:27

over the world. I've been in

47:30

Peru and seen people, you know,

47:33

rapping and popping and DJing and

47:35

whatnot and Japan and blah, blah.

47:38

And I love hip hops, universalism

47:40

and reach and whatnot.

47:43

And I think that

47:46

it's just my personal opinion. You could agree

47:48

or not agree, but black

47:50

people started hip hop. And so

47:52

hip hop belongs to us. We

47:55

invite you to participate, but don't

47:57

get it twisted. You

48:01

have revised. Still my problem with you

48:03

know the people who think that Eminem

48:05

is the greatest rapper of all time?

48:07

Say what? Now I'm Not Sam. I'm

48:09

Not Sam. A white person could not

48:11

be the greatest rebels apps under say

48:13

and have not hit that cultural mama

48:15

yet. And so I think I think

48:18

this is about race in lots of

48:20

please means. We're which means

48:22

you get Kendrick cause draped a

48:24

colonizer right? He sees you. You,

48:26

you know, when you need credibility,

48:29

you go to Atlanta and Twenty

48:31

One Savage, then little baby and

48:33

blah blah like you are like

48:35

all of this is about race

48:37

and so of course it would

48:40

play out in you know, in

48:42

Twitter, back and forth. And whatnot.

48:44

But this, I mean. that's. What

48:46

makes this Kendrick stuff so amazing? Like

48:48

there is a whole history lesson for

48:50

people who were not listening or more

48:53

who who don't know black history. I

48:55

mean san oh no sorry okay I'm

48:57

back to the analysis A can get

48:59

away from it like the assume let's

49:02

hear battling cancer good for them. Masterful

49:04

job at the neared if he wanted

49:06

the players that put drink and beef

49:08

is so hundred could and really come

49:10

back and just kinda bomar for five

49:13

or seven minutes he has who clean

49:15

up these accusations. Weights might be

49:17

really good as far as you know.

49:20

When. The Palace how inviting you to dinner

49:22

or you know you be with the game

49:24

is controlled by the difference you know damage

49:26

control for your for the bigger commercial I'm

49:28

missing that is Zurich's but it doesn't do

49:30

a lot when it comes to hip hop

49:32

reputation that are over your be lax out

49:34

into their audience they they our into that

49:36

kind of half the like to know it's

49:38

ignore easily do the i could have amar

49:40

put him in a very interesting place because

49:42

when you're being calmer you have to protect

49:44

the product and of the product is a

49:46

something him uphold me to world that thing

49:48

that be predatory you have to clean. that

49:50

up so injured play drake in a

49:52

really interesting position i think the other

49:54

thing too that seen people talking about

49:56

is how i know now as as

49:58

of hip hop authors of disco.

50:02

I see a lot of people

50:05

kind of talking about how don't

50:07

be distracted by this beast because

50:09

of you know of course what's

50:11

happening in Colombia and the encampment

50:13

and then and and what's happening

50:16

this in Palestine and genocide I

50:19

really resent when people make it seem as

50:21

though people can't do two things at one

50:23

time and I also think moments of really

50:25

huge tension also call for a really huge

50:28

relief and I think that is what birthed

50:30

hip-hop is that is that drug error

50:32

was those ghettos was was the crack

50:34

era and I think that's also what

50:36

birth disco was a lot of what

50:39

was the same thing I don't

50:41

know disco would have been as necessary if like

50:43

we weren't talking about the Vietnam War and like

50:46

in a lot of the other in the

50:48

civil rights movements that were happening so I

50:50

think that a lot of times we see

50:52

in culture that moments of huge tension also

50:54

need huge relief so I think that it's

50:56

possible to say free Palestine and lock up

50:58

Drake at the same time I think that

51:00

we have complicated enough in my hands that

51:02

we can say enough so I always resent

51:04

when people make it seem as though we

51:07

can't chew gum and walk at the same

51:09

time and I know that we cannot seen

51:11

it and I think often

51:13

moments like this also galvanized people to do

51:15

the political stuff too is it gives people

51:17

the escape you kind of need something to

51:19

refresh your mind or to energize your spirit

51:21

a little bit in order to do whatever

51:24

work you're called to do when

51:26

it comes to what we're facing politically but I

51:28

also think we're in it we're in a place

51:30

where everybody have to say something so I think sometimes

51:32

the contrary and thing is the only thing people have

51:34

available I

51:39

think that's right I also I was I

51:41

was in a museum last week

51:44

and it was a like an

51:46

archaeological museum in Mexico and it

51:48

was looking at pre-columbian civilizations and

51:50

all of this stuff and

51:53

one of my girlfriends said to me

51:55

it's really interesting that there are all

51:57

of these wars and politics and stuff

52:00

in the pre-Columbian society, but the only

52:02

thing that persists is the

52:04

art. What we have left is

52:06

the art, and I think

52:09

it is critically important in

52:12

moments like these to not just

52:14

be caught up in the politics

52:17

and what have you, but art is

52:19

an expression of our politics. Art is

52:22

an expression of our culture. Art is

52:24

the thing that will persist, and so

52:26

we have the artists are our scribes,

52:30

they are our messengers, they are the

52:32

people who leave the history for us

52:34

to tell. So it is,

52:36

you know, a lie to say

52:39

that the art is not important. The

52:41

art is critical because the art is the

52:43

thing that persists. Well,

52:46

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