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You don't have to hide how you feel. It's

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been an explosive week in the

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election campaign, where political factions on

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the left and right have never

0:40

seen further apart. But in attempting

0:42

to claim the centre ground, have Labour and

0:44

the Conservatives left themselves open to division? I'm

0:47

Nish Kumar. And I'm Coco Khan. And this

0:49

is Pod Save the UK. It is a jam-packed

0:51

show today. We will be checking

0:53

in with the former Labour leader

0:55

and independent candidate for Islington North,

0:58

Jeremy Corbyn, and discussing the toxicity

1:00

of Parliament with retiring SNP MP,

1:02

Mary Black. But first... He

1:05

knows inflation is going to go back up. He

1:07

knows energy prices are going to go back up in

1:10

the autumn. That's what he's not telling you. So he

1:12

says the plan is working, but I don't think he

1:14

believes the plan is working, because if he thought the

1:16

plan is working, he wouldn't have called this election right

1:18

now. I'm not sure he's seen that. I

1:21

think it's slightly ironic, because from the

1:23

moment I got this job, Keir Starmer was telling me,

1:25

Call an election, call an election. And now that we've

1:27

called an election, he's saying, oh, no, don't have an

1:29

election, because I don't want to tell you what I'm

1:31

going to do. And this is the choice. So this

1:33

is the choice for everybody. The plan

1:36

is working. Of course, I know everyone

1:38

is only just starting to feel the

1:40

benefits of it, but inflation is back

1:42

to normal. Wages are growing. Taxes are

1:44

now being cut. Keir Starmer would put

1:46

all that progress at risk. He would

1:48

put up everyone's taxes by £2,000. That's

1:53

Sunak and Starmer going head-to-head at

1:55

the ITV Leaders' Debate on Tuesday

1:57

evening. It's been described as two

1:59

centrist ads. talking about centristad things and

2:01

there was also a lot of fear-mongering around

2:03

a £2,000 tax

2:05

rise from Sunak. He said it was calculated

2:08

independently by the conservative party. He threw the

2:10

number around a lot but it's not so

2:12

clear cut is it, Nish? No,

2:14

it's bollocks. It's bollocks. Like,

2:17

let's listen. I

2:19

got home and I felt obliged

2:22

to watch for professional reasons the

2:24

debate. It was some of the

2:26

worst fucking television I've ever seen in my

2:28

entire life and I speak as somebody who

2:30

has made some truly appalling

2:33

television. It was heinous.

2:35

The format of it, they both had

2:37

45 seconds to respond. At

2:40

points it was hard to discern what was being said

2:42

because everyone was just yelling over each other. I very

2:45

rarely feel comfortable speaking for the majority of

2:47

the country. I think I have displayed on

2:49

many occasions that my views are out of

2:51

step with most people that live in Britain

2:53

but on this occasion I feel very comfortable

2:55

to say, fuck me, fucking

3:00

hell. It was bad stuff in

3:03

general. I think the most

3:05

shameful element of it all was

3:08

this claim that Rishi Sunak

3:11

repeated again and again that

3:13

independent civil servants had

3:15

found that if

3:17

Labour win the election the average household is

3:19

going to pay £2,000 more in

3:23

tax. Now, as we record on

3:25

Wednesday, the Labour Party has just

3:27

said that Sunak should apologize for

3:29

lying 12 times about its tax

3:31

plans. The figures are all

3:34

based on analysis that was done

3:36

by some independent civil servants but

3:38

with information that was given to

3:40

him by Conservative Party special advisors.

3:42

So they took information from Conservative

3:44

Party special advisors and based on

3:46

that analysis you paid £2,000 more a

3:48

month but it is not

3:51

impartial information. So what he did

3:53

was lie and lie and lie

3:55

again. That lie has been reprinted

3:58

uncritically in the most effective propaganda

4:00

operation outside of a full-blown dictatorship

4:02

we've ever seen, which is the

4:05

British press, the telegraph, the mail,

4:07

they've all repeated the same horse

4:09

shit. I have so many different

4:11

and conflicting feelings about this election. We've talked

4:14

so much about our conflicting feelings about the

4:16

Labour Party and where they are. I want

4:18

these fucking people gone. I want to see

4:20

the back of this fucking Conservative Party. I

4:22

think Sunak's lying yesterday was shameful. I also

4:25

think, as a side issue, he is a

4:27

genuine threat to this country because of what

4:29

he is doing around the climate. There was

4:31

a question posed about the climate crisis and

4:33

the fact that he has politicised a conversation

4:36

about the climate crisis by saying that it

4:38

sets up a conflict between affordability

4:40

and the ability to deliver

4:42

climate change is an absolute

4:45

disgrace. I want him gone.

4:47

I can't stand them. He

4:49

lied. He politicised climate change.

4:53

The whole thing was just a sorry

4:56

spectacle. I mean, no, I agree. I certainly did not

4:58

enjoy watching it. I agree that the format, I've

5:05

only given them 45 seconds, was not quite

5:07

enough. Something I did notice, though, when they

5:10

talked about housing, which in my view is

5:12

possibly one of the biggest, maybe the biggest

5:14

issues facing the UK, they didn't talk about

5:16

renters once. They only talked about home ownership.

5:18

That really made me feel like you

5:21

are reflecting only one demographic that is

5:23

the only one that matters. Traditionally, the

5:25

younger are better represented at this moment

5:27

in time by more left-wing thinking

5:30

and ideas. You didn't get a look in. However,

5:34

I think we should talk about how

5:37

the debate wasn't actually the biggest story

5:39

of the week. We do need

5:41

to talk about, I'm sorry,

5:43

Nish, I know we hate talking about

5:45

him, but there was an announcement, wasn't

5:47

there, from the populist far-right party reform?

5:49

Yes. Nigel Farage has returned to

5:51

British politics. He

5:54

has announced that he is standing as

5:56

a candidate in Clacton, which

5:58

is very interesting because... earlier

6:00

this year when he was claiming that he wouldn't stand. One

6:02

of the things that he told a

6:05

Times interviewer was that he

6:07

couldn't imagine spending his nights

6:09

in Clacton. He specifically said

6:11

that. You won't be

6:13

hearing his voice at any point on our

6:15

programme for this entire election cycle. I think

6:17

we should make that very clear. It's

6:20

obviously something that needs to be discussed

6:22

because he is poison in the water

6:24

of our country. And bear in mind

6:26

our country already has human shit in it. It

6:29

is water supply. The last thing we need

6:31

is fucking Nigel Farage even in our metaphorical

6:34

water supply. There's fucking shit in it. But

6:37

what I would say is we won't be playing

6:39

his voice. We'll be discussing him. We won't be

6:41

playing his voice because I think it might cause

6:43

me to spontaneously combust. Well, that is something we

6:45

definitely want to avoid. It has been interesting because

6:47

a couple of our listeners jokingly, I think we

6:49

should say, did point to the fact that last

6:51

week we made this point that we were not

6:54

going to talk about him and then he bloody

6:56

announced himself. So now we absolutely have to do it. So,

6:59

you know, one school of thought might be that Nishe, this

7:01

is all your fault. How are you feeling? Yes, I

7:03

have been blamed by several listeners because

7:05

I sort of celebrated his departure from

7:07

politics and said that media

7:10

organisations should not give him any attention.

7:13

Several listeners have contacted me accusing me

7:15

of having encouraged him to

7:17

go back into politics so that he could

7:19

be covered by the media again. The only

7:21

thing I would say in response

7:24

to that is I'm pretty sure he doesn't

7:26

listen. I'm

7:28

pretty confident Nigel Farage is not

7:31

a listener to this program. I'd

7:33

say that was a pretty sure bet.

7:36

So turning our attention towards Labour, a

7:38

Sky News poll said that Keir Starmer

7:40

could be heading to Downing Street with

7:42

the biggest majority for a hundred years

7:44

with a predicted Tory wipeout. This

7:46

also has been a difficult week for Labour

7:48

in terms of its purging of the left

7:50

of the party. So we did mention

7:53

this on the show last week with the treatment

7:55

of the first black woman in the British

7:57

Parliament, the Labour MP Diane Abbott has been.

8:00

rollercoaster. She was cleared to run after finally

8:02

having the label whip returned after

8:04

an unexplained months-long hold-up of the results

8:07

of an investigation into her behaviour. Then

8:09

she was suddenly deselected, anonymous briefings leaked

8:11

out against her, rumours spread of a

8:13

denied peerhood and then after days of

8:15

will they, won't they, her candidacy was

8:17

reconfirmed on Tuesday. The whole thing was

8:20

not a good look but that isn't

8:22

where it stopped. No, so the

8:24

planned ousting of Abbott looked like an

8:26

attempt to purge the old

8:28

guard on the left but there was another

8:30

strike in deselection on Wednesday evening so that

8:33

was Pfizer Shaheen. She's a young left-wing economist,

8:35

she's often referred to as a Corbin I.

8:37

She's a strong campaigner in her electorate, she

8:39

ran against the Tory hardliner Ian Duncan Smith

8:41

last year and she actually made some very

8:44

strong gains. She was one of a few

8:47

Labour MPs who was

8:49

standing to actually achieve that. So for all intents and

8:51

purposes she was a strong candidate and then suddenly

8:53

at the 11th hour she was

8:55

deselected. Listening to last week we'll also

8:57

remember that Ian Duncan Smith may

9:00

be the cause of politically induced vaginal dryness. I'm

9:02

not going to explain that any further, go back

9:04

and listen to last week for full context, we

9:06

don't have time to get into it. But

9:09

Shaheen revealed to deselection in an emotional

9:11

interview to BBC News Night which was

9:13

a tough listen. Honestly

9:15

I'm just so shocked right now to be

9:18

treated this badly after

9:21

being such an active member

9:24

of the party and you know

9:26

we were one of the tiny number

9:28

six Tory held seats in 2019 that

9:30

had a swing to Labour. We should

9:32

say for listeners that was an

9:34

interview conducted on News Night and one of the

9:37

other panelists was PSU Co's very own Coco

9:39

Khan. Yes so I was in the room

9:41

and I have to say like it's emotional

9:43

watching the video but in the studio oh

9:46

my goodness it was you know it

9:48

was chilling everyone went completely

9:50

silent you were watching someone

9:52

in very clear anguished

9:55

despair you were watching them process it

9:57

at the same time the sense of

9:59

betrayal was really, really palpable.

10:01

Shaheen has now resigned from the Labour

10:04

Party and is rumoured to be running

10:06

as an independent. Here is what Labour's

10:08

campaign coordinator Pat McFadden had to say

10:10

about the deselection speaking to Michel Hossain

10:12

on BBC Radio 4's Today programme. Is

10:14

this the way that Keir Starmer's Labour Party

10:16

treats people who've worked to build support in

10:18

constituencies over years? Well, the

10:21

process for all candidates is they

10:24

require approval from

10:26

the NEC and that's the

10:29

process we all go through. I mean, I

10:31

can't comment really on her case or

10:33

any individual one because

10:35

I'm not personally involved in that. I

10:37

think it's worth saying, you know, if anyone's listening to this

10:40

wondering why this deselection story matters,

10:43

it's ultimately because how Shaheen and

10:45

Abbott have been treated is vastly

10:47

different to other MPs who, yes,

10:49

have done things wrong, have said

10:52

things that are wrong and

10:54

have been forgiven and allowed to continue.

10:56

As it happens, those who are not

10:58

close to Keir Starmer also represent more

11:00

progressive views and represent an electorate at

11:02

this moment in time don't seem to

11:04

have anyone standing up for them or

11:06

sharing their views. Yeah, I think it's

11:09

also worth saying that

11:11

it robs people

11:13

in the country of representation,

11:15

people who have certain views about subjects

11:18

like nationalisation, subjects like increased taxes

11:21

on the wealthy. It robs them

11:23

of representation and the Labour Party

11:25

should be a broad church that

11:28

accommodates room for those perspectives. But

11:30

it's also incredibly

11:33

important for the Labour Party in

11:35

government because the Labour Party coming

11:37

into power is going

11:40

to face a really, really

11:42

difficult set of circumstances and

11:45

it may well need a

11:48

wider support base to

11:51

govern than it needs to win an election.

11:53

OK, because there's a lot of people who

11:55

will be voting for it simply as a

11:57

vehicle of getting rid of the Conservative Party.

12:00

But once the Labour Party is

12:02

in power, it may well find

12:04

itself, you know, Keir Starmer may

12:06

well find himself isolated because he

12:08

has shaken off or alienated the

12:11

natural allies of the Labour

12:13

Party. And we've seen what

12:15

happens when voters lend their

12:17

vote to a party. There's a huge sense

12:19

that in the 2019 election, lots of people

12:21

lent their vote to the Conservative Party. But

12:23

that means that that rental

12:26

period can expire very, very quickly.

12:28

And actually what you need to

12:31

rely on at points is your core support

12:33

and your core base. And if you are

12:36

cleaving off bits of your core base

12:38

by alienating them, it might be

12:40

a fine tactic to

12:42

win an election, but it might be building

12:45

unstable foundations for a potential government.

12:47

I think it is also worth just mentioning a point

12:50

quickly. We can't talk about Pfizer,

12:52

Shaheen and Diane Abbott without mentioning that they

12:54

are both women of colour. And

12:56

I think, you know, especially when we're talking

12:58

about Diane Abbott, who's somewhat an icon, 100%,

13:01

you know, decades long career, our G&T

13:03

queen, as my friend calls her. You

13:06

know, it's it's it's

13:09

really impossible to underestimate how

13:11

much that makes black

13:13

voters and other voters of colour feel.

13:16

Well, look, while we're on the subject of factional disputes

13:18

within the Labour Party, I have a strong suspicion our

13:20

next guest may have some thoughts on this. Joining

13:27

us now is the former leader of the Labour

13:29

Party that took them to the last two elections

13:32

and now the independent candidate for Islington North. Welcome,

13:34

Jeremy Corbyn. Good morning. Nice to be here. Good

13:36

morning. So you're about to post your nomination

13:39

today. How does it feel to be

13:41

standing as an independent? We're off to

13:43

the town hall where I've been many times before

13:45

to put the nomination papers in. And

13:48

it feels like a step,

13:50

a correct step. And I feel very

13:53

happy and very confident about it all. Obviously,

13:55

being an independent is different

13:57

from being a Labour candidate.

14:00

and this weekend we'll be producing

14:02

our manifesto, which will be the

14:04

policies that I want to see

14:06

enacted at a national level to benefit the

14:09

people of my constituencies. Is that Islington Town

14:11

Hall? We're going to Islington Town Hall, yeah.

14:14

I've done stand-up comedy there, and it

14:16

feels very strange that electoral business is

14:18

happening in places that I've

14:20

done stand-up comedy. Oh, well, in the

14:22

assembly hall next door, yeah. I don't

14:24

think there's many places that I do

14:26

stand-up comedy. Generally, that national

14:28

political business can take place in, largely because

14:31

they're all rooms that smell vaguely of piss.

14:34

Well, we shouldn't rent out rooms in the House

14:36

of Commons for stand-up comedy. It'd be more fun

14:38

than the chamber. Listen,

14:40

I just wanted to talk to you about the deselection

14:44

of Faisal Shaheen and obviously Diane Abbott,

14:46

whether she was going to stand or

14:48

not going to stand. What's your reaction

14:50

been? Well, I'm really shocked by it all.

14:52

I know Faisal very well. I've

14:55

campaigned with her in previous elections, and

14:57

I think she's made a great contribution

15:00

to political economic thought and

15:02

would be a fantastic MP for

15:05

her community. I think she's really, really good.

15:09

The way she's been treated is absolutely

15:11

shocking and the revelations about the interview

15:13

which removed her. And I

15:15

just felt for her the sort of personal shock

15:18

she was feeling. And likewise,

15:20

Diane. I mean, Diane has been an MP

15:23

since 1987. Incredible

15:27

determination to speak

15:30

up for communities in

15:32

Hackney, but obviously in a wider scale,

15:34

and then threatened with removal and said

15:36

the party's got to move on from

15:38

her and so on. And eventually, I

15:41

think they just sort of got fed up with all

15:43

the hassle and backed off. And I

15:46

understand she's now the candidate. In a recent

15:48

interview with The Times, Keir Starmer said, I

15:50

think you win from the center ground. The

15:52

center ground is where most people are. People

15:54

don't like the extremes of the right or

15:56

the left. Do you think there is any reason in that

15:59

argument? Well, I think it is

16:01

a false argument. Surely,

16:04

you have to look at

16:06

the situation facing the people.

16:09

You have to look at the levels of inequality

16:11

and poverty within our society and say, well, actually,

16:13

what are we going to do about it? And

16:17

I hope, but I'm not really

16:19

expecting it, that we have a

16:21

labour manifesto coming out which actually

16:23

pledges to do something about that

16:25

because working class living

16:27

standards have fallen by 20% in the past 15 years. All

16:33

public services are under strain. The

16:35

health service is being privatised and

16:38

the debt level of

16:41

young people who have been to university

16:44

is massive and the housing costs of

16:46

everybody is very, very high

16:48

and getting worse. And

16:50

I just don't see the radical policies

16:53

that are necessary to bring about some

16:55

changes. Can I ask you, right,

16:57

sometimes this is the sort of person I am.

16:59

I like to just sit around in my flat, talk about the Labour Party

17:01

with my mates. Really? Yeah,

17:04

that is. Yeah, I can confirm that. You're joking

17:06

me here. You're serious? Every night,

17:08

you and your mates sit around and talk about

17:10

the Labour Party. Oh, right. Okay, Jeremy,

17:12

not every night. Okay, come on. But

17:14

yes, it is a conversation that comes up and one

17:17

of the things that happens all the time is like,

17:19

look, you know, whatever happens, the Labour Party have to

17:21

win and once they're in, then we can sort of

17:23

push them to the left. Or another idea is that

17:25

once they win, you know, they can do things like

17:28

with a bit of a wink to the voters being

17:30

like, yeah, yeah, we're going to say all this. But

17:32

once we get in, we'll do stuff. What do you

17:34

think of that line of reasoning? Well, it's a

17:36

very interesting line of reasoning. The trouble is

17:39

history doesn't support it at all. The

17:42

pressures on an incoming Labour

17:45

government are huge. The

17:47

massive pressures from big

17:49

commercial interests, City of London and so

17:52

on are huge on an incoming government.

17:54

And All of those pressures are

17:56

about defending the status quo rather

17:58

than. Improving

18:00

living standards of the of the poorest

18:03

people. and so I think you also

18:05

you gotta be honest with people. If

18:07

you seriously intend to bring in a

18:09

real living wage, you seriously intend to

18:11

put a great deal of resources and

18:14

democracy into health and education and housing

18:16

than say so. And you'll get support

18:18

from we have a question for you

18:20

from one of our friends of the

18:22

pods. Alfie Curse he says d believe

18:25

the if he stepped aside stood sooner,

18:27

a different Labour leader could have won

18:29

the critical twenty nineteen election. Or do

18:31

you believe that there was no chance.

18:34

Regardless, well in two thousand and nineteen

18:36

election was forced upon us. I was

18:38

under enormous pressure work within the Labour

18:40

party and obviously the whole breaks it

18:42

is. She was massive and it was

18:45

always gonna be a problem for the

18:47

Labour party. A two thirds of Labour

18:49

voters voted remain, but a third voted

18:51

leave our in the parliamentary Labour party.

18:53

It was an even bigger majority. That

18:56

way it would be impossible to win

18:58

without getting support from both both sides.

19:00

Are we know from our listeners and

19:02

of a leave my mates in her.

19:05

you know that lot So my stomach

19:07

age and I don't read the label.

19:09

able to to and me the yeah.

19:13

Exactly. And they are a very important group

19:15

of the I like how I just want

19:17

you to consider the Jeremy Corbyn things you

19:19

talk about the like. a party to have

19:21

is a third of. a

19:24

read i had a and it's a

19:26

little i know that many left wing

19:28

voters feel just kind of politically homeless

19:30

at the moment i'm do you think

19:32

that progressive voters can still look towards

19:35

the labour party in terms of you

19:37

know what we said earlier once i

19:39

get a new can push him a

19:41

little bit the infrastructure still there is

19:43

never be imperfect has it the leadership

19:46

often had problems but it's a big

19:48

old church in it's a big body

19:50

you think there's still a home for

19:52

left when people that will the road

19:54

survey votes are increasingly it's people on

19:57

the left to been a and pushed

19:59

out left kind candidates have been selected

20:02

like Pfizer and others that have been

20:04

pushed out and that

20:06

makes it a less

20:09

attractive and possible place. But

20:11

in reality, politics

20:13

isn't always just about

20:15

what happens within

20:18

political parties and the movements within

20:20

them. It is about wider movements

20:22

in society. Now, all the strikes

20:24

that happened last year of rail,

20:27

mail and so

20:30

on, all the different groups that

20:32

took industrial action, particularly health workers,

20:35

none of that was within the Labour Party, all

20:37

of that was without it. And

20:39

none of those groups have gone away, none

20:41

of those demands have gone away. So an

20:44

incoming Labour government has got to factor in

20:47

all those kind of pressures that are going

20:49

to come from outside. Even then, obviously taking

20:51

into account, and it's something that we often

20:53

stress on this show that politics doesn't just

20:55

happen in Westminster, it happens by ordinary people

20:58

exerting pressure on political representatives. But even in

21:00

those contexts, there was still a conversation between

21:02

the left and the right wings of the

21:04

Labour Party, and there was a push and

21:06

pull, and it has sort of had a

21:08

kind of broad church feel to it. Isn't

21:12

it important that some

21:14

of that is maintained? And also, do you

21:16

feel any sort of sense of responsibility

21:19

for the kind of fracturing of the

21:21

relationship between the left and the centre

21:23

of the party? Well, I stepped

21:26

down after the 2019 election, the leadership

21:28

election took place, both candidates, the

21:35

leading candidates put forward their

21:37

proposals, both accepted

21:39

the basic terms of both the manifestos

21:42

we just had. Sukhir

21:45

Starmer got elected and has

21:47

rapidly repudiated a lot of those

21:50

which I think is very

21:52

disappointing. I mean, it's not

21:54

always popular to talk about

21:59

anti-poverty strategies and so on. But if

22:01

we want to live in a cohesive

22:03

coherent society, you've got to give hope

22:05

to people. And that means you have

22:07

to actually kick over the

22:10

traces a bit in order to bring about

22:12

equality. I want to ask you, given that

22:14

you're sitting as an independent, it feels like

22:16

a good time to talk to you about

22:18

our electoral system and proportional representation. So we've

22:20

actually had a listener question in from Liam

22:23

McGrath, who says he feels like we have

22:25

a real opportunity to change the electoral system

22:27

for the better. And then he says this

22:29

is what I think is a very interesting

22:31

point. Perhaps Labour wouldn't have to lurch quite

22:33

as hard to the centre to win power

22:36

if forming left wing coalitions like in other

22:38

proportional systems was the standard way of forming

22:40

governments. And I do

22:42

think it's an interesting point to raise specifically with you because in

22:44

a post on your website in 2023, you said I cannot support

22:48

a move to proportional representation in

22:50

isolation without a wider set of

22:52

progressive changes being made at the

22:54

same time. And you think what's

22:56

more urgent is having a directly

22:58

proportionately and fully elected upper house

23:00

representing every part of the UK.

23:03

Have your views changed at all on that front?

23:06

I've been thinking about this quite a lot. And

23:08

indeed, I think

23:10

we need a federal offer to people

23:12

across the country, which would mean that

23:15

you'd have Devo

23:17

Max on offer in Scotland with

23:19

parliamentary powers for Scotch Parliament, Ditto

23:21

Wales. So

23:25

that's going further with the

23:27

system of devolution that was started

23:29

under the Blair Government and has led to

23:32

the creation of the Scottish Parliament, the Welsh

23:34

Parliament. No, I supported what the Blair Government

23:36

did on devolution. And

23:39

that would mean you'd

23:41

have to then look at devolution within

23:43

England. Now, I thought about this quite

23:45

a lot because previous efforts at setting

23:47

up a sort of super local government,

23:49

John Prescott tried it in the northeast

23:51

in the latter part of the Blair

23:54

and Brown governments, and it was

23:56

roundly rejected on a referendum. should

24:00

have is regional

24:03

government in England

24:06

based probably on the English economic zones

24:08

of which there are seven and so

24:10

you would have a devolution of Scotland

24:12

Wales and English regions and that would

24:14

help to bring about

24:17

a better system of decision-making and

24:19

investment because far too much investment

24:21

still goes into London and the

24:23

southeast the region does

24:26

the worst is actually the East

24:28

Midlands I think that would help

24:30

now moving on from that to

24:33

the election system for

24:36

the House of Commons there's interesting

24:38

debate here I've been a constituency

24:40

MP all my life and I

24:43

love and value that very close

24:45

relationship with the constituency but

24:48

a first-past-the-post system doesn't necessarily bring

24:50

about democracy so you could either

24:52

have a system of runoff

24:54

ballots so that the winning candidate would have

24:57

to get 50% that wouldn't necessarily

24:59

make an awful big difference to the

25:01

party structure in the House of Commons

25:04

more diverse

25:07

systems such as an additional

25:09

member might well bring about that

25:14

fairer system is what happens in London with

25:16

the London Assembly is

25:18

elected by direct constituencies and then

25:20

you have the London

25:22

wide vote which evens it out

25:24

between the parties and it would mean

25:26

that if we had that there would be a

25:29

diversity of political representation in the

25:31

House of Commons you would have yes

25:34

you would have more left-wing parties representing

25:36

but it would also and this is

25:38

an area that people don't always want

25:40

to address it would possibly mean that

25:42

some of the far-right parties could also

25:44

get representation out of it and

25:47

so I mean you have to sort of

25:49

weigh all these things up but I don't

25:51

think the current system in a multi-party society

25:53

is actually tenable so does that mean you've

25:55

come around to some yes absolutely have yes

25:57

I mean I've thought about it a lot

25:59

and I would like to see a form

26:01

of proportional representation brought in. Can I ask

26:03

you about your exit from the Labour Party

26:06

just before we ask you about your thoughts

26:08

about the upcoming election?

26:11

In the kind of dispute around the

26:14

findings around antisemitism in the party, you

26:17

made a statement that we described antisemitism as absolutely

26:19

abhorrent and one antisemite is one too many in

26:21

the Labour Party, which is the sentiment I think

26:23

we can all agree with. And

26:26

then you went on to talk about the

26:28

ideas of antisemitism being exaggerated or

26:30

a factional attack, which are the

26:32

comments that essentially Kirstom has seized

26:34

on and used to justify your

26:37

eventual expulsion from the party. I

26:39

would have just separated the politics from this

26:41

for a moment. Do you reflect that it

26:43

would have been better in that moment to

26:46

acknowledge the problem that had happened, which

26:48

you described as absolutely abhorrent, and

26:51

simply just apologise for the hurt

26:53

that was caused to Jewish voters

26:55

and then move on? I felt

26:58

I had to put it

27:00

in the context of my own

27:02

experience. When I became leader,

27:04

there wasn't a system in place in the

27:06

party for dealing with what were some disgusting

27:08

and disgraceful things that had been said by

27:10

various people, but there weren't very many of

27:13

them at that time. And so

27:15

I set up a system for dealing with it.

27:18

And as the EHC

27:20

report acknowledges, the system

27:22

improved and cases were dealt

27:25

with. But again, I'm separating the politics of it.

27:27

Can you not see that in some ways, caveatting

27:30

that statement might have hurt some people's

27:32

feelings? It went both ways. Yes, some

27:34

people, I had to

27:36

explain to them what I meant and why

27:38

I said it, and I got quite a

27:41

lot of emails about it. But I also

27:43

got an awful lot of people saying, thank

27:45

goodness you've made that statement because you've made

27:47

clear what your own views are. But you've

27:49

also pointed out that some of

27:51

the people that were opposing

27:54

you were exaggerating the issue.

27:56

Look, anti-Semitism is a vile thing in society.

27:58

We all know that and I say that

28:00

and I'm sure you would agree with that.

28:03

And I made that very, very clear

28:05

all along. But also there

28:07

cannot be a hierarchy of racism. Islamophobia

28:10

is violent and evil. Anti-black

28:12

racism is violent and evil. Diane and others

28:14

and Dawn Butler have

28:16

all suffered the most appalling

28:18

levels of racist abuse within

28:20

our society. And sadly

28:23

there hasn't been as much defense of

28:26

particularly black women MPs as there should

28:28

have been in our national media. Yeah,

28:30

yeah. Jeremy, tell

28:33

you what, I've got to say, you could not pay me to be

28:35

Labour leader. That sounds

28:37

not fun at all. And that's coming from

28:39

someone who recreationally talks about the Labour Party.

28:42

Well, yes, but it is also

28:44

an enormous privilege and

28:46

an enormous honor. Well,

28:49

the reason I asked you about this is like, I mean, I

28:51

have, one of the things I

28:53

think is really fascinating about the Labour leader role

28:55

is like, in a way, every leader

28:58

will encounter problems. And to what extent do they have

29:01

the faith of enough of the voters that they give

29:03

them, you know, they give them the benefit of the

29:05

doubt and they say, oh, you know, they're trying their

29:07

best. Like, I don't know where Starmer

29:09

is with any of that. But nonetheless, it's

29:11

a tough job. But we can all agree. Have

29:14

you got any advice for Keir Starmer?

29:18

Listen to a wide

29:20

variety of people who will probably

29:22

drive you crazy with contradictory opinions

29:24

and advice and so on. And

29:28

remember that all bureaucracies,

29:30

be they the Labour Party, the

29:33

civil service, parliamentary democracies and so

29:35

on, have a

29:37

big instinct for self-preservation

29:39

and self-survival, this self-preservation

29:41

society. Therefore, they

29:44

are often opposed to any form of

29:46

change. On a national level, do you

29:48

want Labour to win the election? I

29:50

wonder if the Tories defeated. So, yes.

29:53

And I... Because

29:55

It must be hard, right? You're

29:57

standing against the Labour Party, but

29:59

at the same time, this is an

30:02

organisation that you've had in relation to.

30:04

dependent can never easy to north and

30:06

I'm I'm knocking on doors all the

30:09

time. I meeting people I've met over

30:11

many years, talking to them about their

30:13

issues and problems and them explain

30:15

to them why this has come about

30:18

because of the way in which the

30:20

parties behave towards me into his ringtone

30:22

am and that some if they elect

30:25

me again it's the same may their

30:27

electing Jeremy Corbyn thank you so that

30:29

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30:32

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32:27

There's. A mighty long list of Mp

32:29

standing down in the next election. likely

32:32

for a variety of reasons, but it's

32:34

an unfortunate reflection of parliament and that

32:36

for some the driving force in leaving

32:38

is due to toxic workplace culture. Mary

32:40

Black is currently the Mp for Pays

32:43

the Rent for Shit South. I'm deputy

32:45

Leader of the S and P Bot

32:47

is standing down after this election to

32:49

marry. Welcome to Put Safety Okay, last

32:51

time you were on our show, you

32:53

said that you were looking forward to

32:56

the piece of retirement and your playstation.

32:58

Dish is still your top

33:00

priority given that you have

33:02

the whole summer. Mary's big

33:04

yeah. Now's

33:07

your time, the retirement so it

33:10

is good actually his sons the

33:12

solution. I'm no longer an Mp

33:14

and no longer bay pure lethal

33:16

data for them. Just just the.

33:19

Most. Regular civic.

33:23

Listen to someone who's been a mouthful. This

33:26

money to be. Don't know what we eat?

33:28

how do you feel about cause we talked

33:31

a little about you know the things are

33:33

looking forward to Last time be rode the

33:35

show but obviously surely you can have assumed

33:37

this would come around this quick. All. Of

33:39

that she was music to my ears.

33:41

Actual like The only way I can

33:43

describe it because it's roughly about a

33:45

gita. go the other names publicly that

33:47

wasn't stunned and and it feel like

33:49

setting in the airport but your flights

33:52

delayed for months you know and then

33:54

all of a sudden it's like go

33:56

to the gate. What was it? Also

33:58

it's all sandbars. I'm still wasn't. As

34:01

part of it was going to oh,

34:03

is all. We. Have

34:05

we were talking a it? To

34:07

get back into the sticky topic

34:09

of Westminster politics? Whoop Talking about

34:11

customers poor handle What? What we

34:13

perceive? The baseball on the candidate

34:15

selection for this election? What would

34:17

he think about this idea? that.

34:20

Elections. Can only be one from

34:22

the centre ground. I mean I

34:24

know the Snp is sort of

34:26

complicated beast because of the issue

34:28

scottish independence but it certainly party

34:31

that is enjoyed political success. Whilst.

34:34

Espousing what we we consider to be

34:36

broadly a progressive platform in the last

34:38

saw from the half decade particularly under

34:40

the leadership Nicola Sturgeon, what would you

34:42

feel about this idea that you can

34:44

only win elections from the center. Ice.

34:48

I. Mean, I think it's a

34:51

dangerous precedent because. If

34:53

you don't have a choice in an election

34:55

as it really have a feat election if

34:57

you know it reminds me of the The

34:59

Simpsons episode when they get the to near

35:01

aliens and seen you do. Have. A choice

35:03

but that exact with the Savior you know it's does

35:06

like may I voted for Coda. Yeah, He the

35:08

snot out of your choice if not

35:10

mean m saw. For. Me Anyway,

35:12

a lot. Of it comes down to

35:14

the first past the por sus them a

35:17

it's just. That a race to

35:19

to get the majority with

35:21

though. Taken. Into

35:23

account that those are pluto, plurality

35:25

of different opinions and different views

35:27

in was I think the system

35:29

itself is really outdated and even

35:31

things like that the debate last

35:33

name, the fact that it's that

35:36

yield as though it's a presidential

35:38

near to be wouldn't we don't

35:40

elect president is you elect a

35:42

representative for your area Am so

35:44

it's I think it does a

35:46

disservice to the whole the Uk

35:48

saw. It's. Years. As an

35:50

unhealthy situation I think I mean

35:52

obviously you'll be watching the likely

35:54

incoming Labour government from a beach

35:57

suffering My account. She's. Do

36:00

you have do you feel concerned about

36:02

their cut the voiceless miss of the

36:05

left? or definitely yeah definitely. I mean

36:07

if the the thing that frustrates me

36:09

as well as that leap of though

36:12

often poetry themselves as being socialist as

36:14

being left and was not and social

36:16

of the vote labour right know you

36:19

know and when it comes to the

36:21

baggage shoes that effect in the Uk

36:23

the are on the same say that

36:26

the fence as the conservatives granted though

36:28

often a she'd seen or bought last

36:30

though on the same you know saw

36:32

a neoliberal aging to the right, you

36:35

know saw a path So it's yes

36:37

his crate the place. but what about

36:39

the Snp where they in that sort

36:42

of. That's when I think the Snp

36:44

of actually enjoyed a lot of success

36:46

over the last ten fifteen years has

36:49

been because they've successfully state tend to

36:51

that so I left of centre ground

36:53

which label have been vacated for quite

36:56

some time. I am so again when

36:58

it comes to the beggar shoes that

37:00

as a distinction between the same P

37:03

and leap and those it was actually

37:05

distinction I would say between the Scottish

37:07

parliament particularly when the Greens was though

37:10

I'm the is as part of government

37:12

and the waste months the system you

37:14

know and a gala Think some of

37:16

that comes down to the fact that

37:19

the Scottish parliament has an element of

37:21

proportional representation on a lose for more

37:23

the Be and Beta call it the

37:26

Be. So in terms of Scotia dependence

37:28

on the Snp, the or am I

37:30

just want share. Couple of comments from

37:33

somewhere listeners M. Lewis Black Silk feels

37:35

that the Snp are in chaos and

37:37

is not came to vote for them

37:40

at the moment. Oh, one of our

37:42

listeners rear said a big issue for

37:44

her in the election is Kay Forbes

37:47

is the current Deputy First Minister. New

37:49

concern is around her views on gay

37:51

marriage and abortion and Rear said as

37:54

she can't bring yourself to support a

37:56

party that would go against it's hardware.

37:58

Aggressive politics. Meanwhile,

38:00

Louise Hodgson said, regardless, single most

38:02

important issue for her is Scottish

38:05

Independence So soon as somebody who's

38:07

been deeply involved this of beef

38:09

the last half decade were D

38:11

C. The. Current state of

38:13

the party and. White.

38:16

And also the com My kind of follow

38:18

up question is is the state of the

38:21

Snp ultimately indivisible from Scottish Independence? From

38:23

Fossil of A, I totally

38:25

understand that I don't begrudge

38:27

anybody a potentially anyone who's

38:29

part of the Lgbt. To

38:32

community for. Feel

38:35

unhappy about this Mp cause I think those

38:37

a hell of a lot of things. certainly

38:39

in the last. Two

38:41

or three, four years, which shouldn't have

38:44

happened or should have. Happened completely

38:46

differently. Were of the daffy caught

38:48

he lies as again. If.

38:50

You're looking at the Uk and

38:53

Westminster General Election and you're seeing

38:55

that was. A labour party a

38:57

anatoly part a while does not much difference

38:59

when it comes to the bikes ashes. Always

39:02

meant that elections are. To.

39:05

An extent. Foot she

39:07

is the least evil in a

39:09

sense. I get that the. War's

39:11

have been more the it

39:14

quite a but since the

39:16

necklace dungeon certainly left am

39:18

bots. When you really. When.

39:20

Push comes to shove. I still

39:22

don't see how and as I

39:24

don't see any better alternative. Certainly

39:27

in the basement that elections for that kind

39:29

of depressing statement here Forever. but his me

39:31

and I've ever had this ha I began

39:33

a say on this. let the we have

39:35

the least depressing alter the T up a

39:38

It is depressing if the Snp rules are

39:40

making the offering of. We. Have the

39:42

least bad option. As it will

39:44

have an M seen that. I.

39:46

Still think the Snp have offered a hell

39:49

of a lot of good things. In

39:51

order of wouldn't have been a part of.

39:53

This Mp for them think that

39:55

it's just that. I suppose we've been

39:57

enjoying. A our built by

39:59

global the of support and time

40:01

will tell whether you know the

40:03

party stunning often not July or

40:05

to a maintain that level of

40:08

trust him bought a it would

40:10

be. It would be unfair to

40:12

suggest that the hasn't been rocky

40:14

a few rocky hit months if

40:16

not use how do you feel

40:18

about. Hamza Yusuf,

40:20

Resignation and how about will play

40:22

now. I mean.

40:26

I think it was may see

40:28

him and and of itself and

40:30

Hume sale for admit that it

40:33

wasn't necessarily for a dud, it

40:35

was the we went by. yet

40:37

we're just completely backfired. And Hank,

40:40

that's a team's feel. sore amateurish,

40:42

a tenant's thin and that's where

40:44

I think it. at times the

40:46

party needs think of itself. attack

40:49

up the bike, Say them, remember

40:51

why you would involve than us

40:53

in what state you new Given

40:56

that there were concerns from about

40:58

Came Wolves and concerns about the

41:00

Snp, there are also concerns about

41:02

Labor's platform and they're all of

41:05

is a huge concerns about the

41:07

conservative attitude to the Lgbtq community

41:09

as a whole. A d Feel

41:12

like the it back communities rights

41:14

are under threat? Yeah, absolutely represent

41:16

Absolutely. I mean at I don't

41:19

at every party has failed them

41:21

to different degrees m or less.

41:23

usher in particular and the advancement

41:25

of Lgbt is I'm I'm in

41:28

the the amount of. Dog

41:31

whistles know now it just be

41:33

in said well he nellie as

41:35

appalling in what is. In

41:38

for people my age I think where

41:40

we've grown up and watching the rates

41:42

being advance, you know, Hayden in the

41:45

right direction. it's quite jardin to be

41:47

experiencing for the first time. We're all

41:49

right. this is what use we're talking

41:51

of pain and I'm here In suddenly

41:53

you're read them in old, linked in

41:56

a is news paper clips and going

41:58

to take out the word gay and

42:00

put then translated. Yeah and it's a

42:02

copy and paste and so yeah no.

42:04

it's terrifying. And I think a every

42:07

party has the Stapleton. Do much much

42:09

better. Speaking of terrorists, ah,

42:11

We were discussing the return of

42:13

Nigel Farage earlier in our show.

42:16

Like. Honestly, him standing is this significant or

42:19

is this just another media story giving

42:21

him too much airspace or actually do

42:23

we really need to look out for

42:25

this. Or I think we need to look

42:27

out for definitely. Am it doesn't

42:29

have a will put it thus

42:31

real Think has a numerous Tv

42:34

appearances. On. All channels

42:36

over many years there has

42:38

is finally paying off your

42:40

and he is is had

42:42

such a platform we are

42:44

even though is more awake

42:46

to to waste month on

42:48

his field what seven times

42:50

or thereabouts even though is

42:52

more elected he still successfully

42:54

managed to drag. Bratton Fargo to

42:56

the right. And. That's with the platform

42:59

that the media have given them. For

43:01

damages he gonna do if is get the. Platform.

43:04

Of. Legitimate Parliament near

43:06

you. Know that that's what Skated.

43:08

Where I didn't like he did, he

43:10

did plenty of damage as an Mvp

43:12

or totally veto any ill eat me

43:14

he ido depletive. Damage to Britain, standing

43:16

is dumped. subtly done. plenty damage to

43:18

this country. but I I. I

43:20

but how do you. This. Is

43:23

the question that we you know. To.

43:25

Just be completely up from with everybody.

43:27

This is a quest to the we

43:29

wrestle with in meetings about the show.

43:31

to what extent do you just try

43:33

and ignore it? Because ultimately Reform have

43:35

no seats in parliament. they they are

43:37

given. Especially when you consider the number

43:39

of counsellors that the Green Party have.

43:41

When you consider total number of mps

43:43

the Snp in the Liberal Democrats have

43:45

the A, He is an astonishing amount

43:47

of focus to be given to apply

43:49

with no seats in parliament. lose ownership

43:51

structure is still Shall we just say

43:53

opaque is the responsibility. To discuss these

43:56

ideas, interrogate them and dismiss them.

43:58

Or is there a noble. Issue

44:00

for us just to ignore this guy.

44:03

On and hope he goes away. It's

44:05

a really it feels like a quandary

44:07

that yep we will find ourselves in

44:09

very aggressive pay animals as well as

44:11

I have a see the idea that

44:13

you know we add these ideas and

44:16

then we dismantle them because we reveal

44:18

that a completely illogical don't make fiscal

44:20

said state mike ethical says whatever By

44:22

the same time you know so much

44:24

of those policies are not about reason

44:26

they a meal to pay a fee

44:28

A I would argue so base love

44:30

you know stereotype thing thought that you

44:32

how how you can't dismantle that and

44:34

reasonable way anyway so is it better

44:36

to just put them in the box?

44:38

The one thing you can't tolerate as

44:41

those who don't tolerate is the key

44:43

on a were intolerant of a dollar

44:45

this to see him and and I

44:47

don't think the Uk is good at

44:49

doing that at all and what we're

44:51

seeing the Nigel farage as basically trump

44:53

Asm but it's he's worked or vote

44:55

as friend and when all that's what

44:57

can write any even watching the few

44:59

and of use he has done what

45:01

is just downright rude. But

45:04

it works because people are feeling

45:06

are feeling bruise to the don't

45:09

trust politicians don't trust parliament the

45:11

and finally those thus what appears

45:13

to be the street talking guy

45:16

who drinks of paint tail on

45:18

at lake as as I think

45:20

it's a a problem with british

45:23

politics moreover where we are we

45:25

have sled and to that thus

45:27

so. The

45:30

assess where it slogans that work

45:32

quit as personalities that one rather

45:35

than it being a boat policy

45:37

of i think we need to

45:39

revisit who we are. Politically educated

45:41

people from my a young age

45:43

rate the way through to whether

45:45

it's in on media literacy, whether

45:47

it's social media literacy whatever. As

45:49

a think we have this thought

45:52

of dragon it back to policy

45:54

as opposed to personalities giving people

45:56

the tools to be able to

45:58

on the the and rate hate

46:00

us tax work yeah her odors

46:02

of of what does non didn't

46:04

mean for her our be a

46:07

does the economy walked her because

46:09

the diesel the basic things. That.

46:12

Everybody needs in order to make

46:14

an informed decision. And in my

46:16

experience in Westminster as. It

46:19

suits. Their. Shall.

46:22

We see the establishment for people not

46:24

to understand these things because it allows

46:27

you to wolf what lazy to get

46:29

away with. You know it sounding like

46:31

you're doing something, but in actual fact.

46:33

Is you're not a. Name of them

46:36

at all. So listen, obviously. I.

46:38

Hope you're gonna take a few weeks

46:40

off an optional and ah at all

46:42

it like just know the the only

46:45

thing that solid and the pipeline as

46:47

a. Assured the Edinburgh Fringe of

46:49

doing the the whole run, It's

46:51

called politics. Doesn't for me because I

46:54

kill snorting coke. Agree? And yeah the

46:56

Guild we'll all see that near of

46:58

their the whole month Cocos kind of

47:00

like Record Lilies Boundaries of loves those

47:03

else really out where I'm a very

47:05

excited for you to experience. Do it.

47:07

A full at refrigerant will let alone

47:09

it was funny. It is. it's taught

47:11

beforehand. Sin. or I mean. You.

47:13

Know that is Ah Bella drunk people and

47:16

on what I'm used to have an agreement

47:18

fill of people. Had a liquid lunch. I

47:21

saw I always I got it. Actually

47:23

I'd like thank you some if you're

47:25

to or thanks wasn't enough. You

47:33

may have heard that last week

47:35

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48:25

I everyone it is time for another round

48:27

of put Save the Uk Wtf moments which

48:29

I will refuse to call it reverts was

48:32

Wtf moments because we're allowed as were on

48:34

the show ever have continued to refer to

48:36

as Wt Fog moments of his bid. another

48:38

rid week of ridiculous five it's be here

48:40

are some of the best. Will stop with

48:42

the D Platform leader of a right wing

48:44

party. you know who we mean, we won't

48:46

show it. but just imagine in your mind's

48:49

eye that man so did Milkshake or the

48:51

launch of his campaign event. What a great

48:53

way to kick things off soon. I've had

48:55

with have been working overtime to ensure the

48:57

Pm doesn't stand next to any exit signs

48:59

are in any more reasons to avoid any

49:01

more undesirable shots. but the Pm managed to

49:03

get photo bombed by the Liberal Democrats while

49:06

campaigning and Henley in this clip from eighty

49:08

be nice. So

49:10

for for the people listening to the

49:13

show where she said because every conversation

49:15

with some voters in Hadley and just

49:17

in the background on the river a

49:19

boat festooned with Liberal democrats saw it.

49:21

It's it's just passing out of afraid

49:23

to say and miss Eight Eight a

49:25

review of Business or dies charisma. The

49:27

Rgb to use cab refill big. It

49:30

has simply moved away from his vice

49:32

absorbed in of the Liberal Democrat. Little

49:34

about a A does not speak well

49:36

of his charisma. the even the Cab

49:38

or Up right to Just thought I'd

49:40

think people get a what is the

49:42

the Lib Dems on a boat next

49:44

the Tory candidate for High Peak Robert

49:46

Loggia is it Hot water. As the

49:49

police investigate claims of electoral fraud, look

49:51

at his tweeted can pay damages it's

49:53

quite hard to even believe the was

49:55

about to come out. My love using

49:57

the colors of Labor read at Reform

49:59

Teal. With slogans including Labor for Log

50:01

and Unruffled for All Birds hated tweet

50:03

promo a The Labour Post Logging Rights

50:05

So many local labour voters have told

50:07

me they get a vote for Be

50:09

because they want to keep his their

50:12

local mp. Their vid. So Betty the

50:14

I Blood Sugar you live in Brooklyn.

50:17

It's what. It.

50:19

Away is the rubble Dabic Indictment.

50:22

Of. The conservative party at the by but that

50:24

is owed candidates of pretending that members of other

50:26

parties. I love that he's like oh I'm

50:28

launching a new labour for log and club not

50:31

and someone else had already launched an inevitable

50:33

lot. Oh your launching it and no one will

50:35

attend and it would just be you ethnic and

50:37

a judge who with some. Cups.

50:39

Of tea going called, but apparently

50:41

that seems to be enough to

50:44

justify this obvious tactic. A It's

50:46

also we should say there is a

50:48

writing at the bottom of the images

50:50

that reveal it's a conservative party cab

50:52

paid material. But honestly the writing is

50:54

so hilariously I didn't know it was

50:57

possible to have minus zero point zero

50:59

four point fond. And it's like white on

51:01

a collie. You can't really. eve. Key is it definitely

51:03

looks like it says something like my goes budget or

51:05

dried I used. To

51:08

to return to the weird motif of this

51:10

com by the is established on this blog.

51:13

Go. Again, you know I am concerned

51:15

about the aren't is listening to this

51:17

show and their opinion of it. They

51:19

i cause pain, all softness, get up.

51:21

And also this week we've had labor

51:23

channeling Adam Mckay to deliver John Richardson

51:25

in a buffed up. To,

51:28

you know what was she? Soon I did

51:30

before we got into politics. Know, well, you're

51:32

not supposed to pretty soon. I could lafayette

51:34

to forget about how he made his millions

51:36

before becoming an Mp. He wants you to

51:38

think it's too complicated to understand or even

51:40

better, but it isn't notable. It's all. So

51:42

who's John Richardson in a bubble bath to

51:44

explain. Basically, before

51:47

he soon I got into politics, he

51:49

was a partner in a hedge fund.

51:51

Not, I was amazingly profitable for him,

51:53

but bought her pretty much everyone else

51:55

think the opposite of Robin Hot. Yes,

51:57

that. Video A shed from Labour Hq

51:59

is paying homage to the famous explain

52:01

A seen A to on how to

52:04

short markets from Adam Mckay Twenty Fifteen

52:06

Film the Big Short with Margot Robbie

52:08

in a bubble bath. The film explores

52:10

the trade is my legs money during

52:12

the two thousand and eight global financial

52:14

crisis. Rico Love him. He's not exactly

52:16

Margot Robbie. It's not a one for

52:19

one swap. I mean definitely The shots

52:21

of the beer falling into the bar

52:23

up and with not the so or

52:25

six in titillating like Margot Robbie was

52:27

more like on hygiene. A slight disgust

52:29

her that Baylor a very very very

52:32

informative A video A to finish it

52:34

off A are probably a favorite type

52:36

of the week maybe of the year.

52:38

So yeah he's going to decipher Rage

52:40

and Sub Cove to deliver x of

52:42

these tutorial. Be grown Shops safe. Got

52:44

shot at the cleaning May technical lot

52:47

about Access just calling Sam Cape so

52:49

I phone as Apple Fine Gael. Not

52:51

only I get up there is gonna

52:53

take and hello Grant Shapps your live

52:55

on Sky knees I'm I'm in the

52:57

studio with Safely Rage. I mean just

52:59

saying that you're about to lose your

53:02

seats according to the Sky News and

53:04

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53:09

just put the find on on me. There

53:12

we go. right?

53:14

So much to talk about the war

53:16

on. I was a phony. Well has

53:18

Grant Shapps butt dialed some can't that

53:20

will have a lot of all. The

53:23

Daves is absolutely odd fathomable he eats

53:25

if he butt dialed Saab codes was

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fear is this grew bigger. The television.

53:30

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53:32

he was screaming Substrate prefer to see

53:34

about Saab. go into these boys lazy

53:36

but I'm calling Somnolence. Don't

53:40

make me feel sorry for him and of adult.

53:42

To be clear, Gracia House losing his job is

53:44

one of the funniest things that could happen but

53:46

if you look into grub shops his history you'll

53:48

know the man is not sure of jobs. he's

53:50

done many jobs that his career after that the

53:52

same time and so if he loses this one

53:54

you'll just go back to whatever job is also

53:56

doing it as I to of and that's it.

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