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1:49

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1:51

Ryan McCaffrey, happy to be back with

1:53

you. I am joined as always by

1:55

the one, the only, Destin Ligari. Bam!

1:57

Hey everybody, good to see ya. And

2:00

it has been too long since we have seen

2:02

our friend, Khalif Adams, you know him as

2:05

the godfather at Spawn on Me, an

2:07

essential podcast in the games industry. Kha,

2:09

so good to see ya. Let

2:11

me make you an offer that you cannot refuse, sir. I'd love

2:13

to be back here and excited to be rocking with you. I'll

2:15

thank you so much for having me. Good to see

2:18

you in LA a few weeks

2:20

ago. I guess, how long, what was a few

2:22

weeks ago already? Man, time flies. Time

2:24

is flying. It was good to cross paths. I got

2:26

to see Destin, and Destin was like, I'm outta here,

2:28

I'm running the other. That's

2:31

what happens. People wanna stop and say hi, and it's

2:33

great, but it's like, I'm late for a thing, I

2:35

gotta go. But people are always pretty understanding about it.

2:37

So busy. What, at Play Days, real

2:39

quick, Kha, before we get into what is a

2:41

fairly busy week of Xbox news here, what'd

2:44

you play, what'd you like at Play Days? Ooh,

2:47

I mean Street Fighter VI, new characters

2:49

are coming out, Bison is dropping very,

2:51

very soon. I got

2:53

a chance to play Frag Punks, which was

2:55

really fantastic. I'm very excited for that. Frag

2:58

Punks is good. Frag Punks is super, super

3:00

fun. We got a

3:02

chance to check out the Monster Hunter demo, and that

3:04

is, I'm really excited for that, as a person who's

3:06

not really into Monster Hunter. So that sparked a lot

3:08

of good thoughts in my mind. But so there was

3:11

a lot of stuff. There was a lot of goodies

3:13

there. Yeah, it was a good times. Good,

3:15

good event. Good event, good to see a bunch of people.

3:17

I'm jealous you got to play Monster Hunter. I hear

3:19

good things. It looks really good. We

3:22

got to see it. We didn't get to just

3:24

put hands on it. Sadly, sadly, but yeah, it

3:26

was very good. But yeah, good event, good

3:28

kind of mini E3 this year. And

3:32

the new king of gaming

3:34

events, used to be E3 for many

3:36

years running. I mean, Gamescom's always had

3:39

more foot traffic because they've

3:41

always admitted the public, which E3 never

3:43

did. But Gamescom is

3:46

now officially by default, the

3:48

big one. And Microsoft

3:50

has announced plans to return to

3:52

Gamescom. And they say

3:55

it's its biggest booth ever. They're going

3:57

big at Gamescom, which is

3:59

coming up. up here at the end of August.

4:01

So just two months from where we sit right now,

4:04

as we record on June 26th, Gamescom's

4:07

gonna happen from August 21st, the 25th. So

4:10

all of you European listeners, I

4:12

imagine a number of you will go because A,

4:14

why not? You're gonna get to play a bunch

4:16

of Xbox games. B, Cologne's a beautiful city. If

4:18

you haven't been, Microsoft

4:20

will showcase the likes of Avowed, Elder

4:23

Scrolls Online, Fallout 76 new stuff, the

4:26

Blizzard's Diablo 4 expansion, Vessel of

4:28

Hatred, the upcoming WoW expansion,

4:30

The War Within. It's Blizzard's

4:32

first Gamescom following the big

4:35

acquisition. And here is the list.

4:37

And this, by the way, Microsoft says this isn't

4:39

the full list, but what they've announced so far,

4:42

they'll be showing Age

4:44

of Mythology retold, the aforementioned Avowed,

4:46

Aura History Untold, Diablo 4, Vessel

4:49

of Hatred, Diablo Immortal, probably some

4:51

new stuff there, ESO, Fallout

4:54

76, Towerborne, and WoW The

4:57

War Within. Destin,

4:59

let's start with you here. What are

5:01

you most, I can probably guess what you're gonna

5:03

say, but what are you most looking forward to

5:05

on this list so far? You

5:07

might not know. I think Diablo 4,

5:10

Vessel of Hatred is the one that has

5:12

my interest peak the most because I believe

5:14

they are introducing a new character

5:17

to the game and I am going to be

5:19

very curious to see how that plays. And I

5:21

also do like Diablo Immortal

5:23

more than most, not a super popular

5:25

game online I realize, but I did

5:28

our preview for the Tempest class and

5:31

I'm into Diablo separately. I hope somebody

5:33

asks Phil Spencer or the Xbox team

5:35

about World of Warcraft, The War Within,

5:37

so that they can find out when

5:39

that game or if that game will

5:41

ever come to Xbox Game Pass. I

5:43

think that's an easy slam dunk win

5:46

for Xbox and Activision and

5:48

Blizzard. So those

5:51

are all things that I'm very, very curious

5:53

about. Cod, were you

5:55

as grossed out as we were when we

5:57

were alive with the Vessel of

6:00

Hatred? hatred cinematic trailer that

6:02

they put up. Absolutely

6:04

not. I was like, this is not as gross as I

6:06

need it to be. I mean, as a

6:08

person who loves horror movies and loves gore movies,

6:10

like I was like, this is perfect. I want

6:12

all video games to be this gross. I

6:16

mean, kudos to the team from

6:18

Blizzard again. Like these cinematics are just ridiculously

6:20

good and fantastic. But

6:22

yeah, like thinking about the question at hand,

6:25

I'm totally down on World of Warcraft, too, because I

6:27

as a person who has now

6:29

seen what they've been able to

6:31

do, translating another PC game over

6:33

to console in in Valorant. I

6:36

want to see what it looks like when you bring World

6:39

of Warcraft to console in that way, too, if

6:41

that's going to be a thing. Well, hopefully this

6:43

is just Destin trying to wish it into existence

6:45

at this point. Well, a fan showed me they

6:47

sent it to me on Twitter after our last

6:49

episode. They said it does seem to have controller

6:52

support. I don't know if that was what the

6:54

monitor is just organic, but you can play with

6:56

a controller. Why isn't that on Xbox, Phil? I

6:59

know you're walking your dog right now. And

7:02

why am I still paying 15 bucks a

7:04

month for World of Warcraft? Like I

7:06

canceled my sub. I was like, I'm going to try it out for

7:08

a month. And it was like crack. So

7:11

like I wanted to play more, but I'm like,

7:13

you know, I don't have a lot of time

7:15

this month. Destiny 2 Final Shape is out. I'm

7:18

going to take a little bit of a break.

7:20

But if that was on Game Pass, I would

7:22

definitely be hopping in more often to the World

7:24

of Warcraft and Wild Classic, which separately,

7:27

Wild Classic, I'd rent for a second. They were

7:29

on Lich King and then they went to Kata.

7:31

And I feel like I missed the party because

7:34

cataclysm is like this huge event in

7:37

World of Warcraft history. I missed it

7:39

when it happened in real life. So

7:41

getting to sign in, play Lich King for

7:43

like four days. And I went pretty hard

7:45

on it. And then having the world be

7:47

destroyed and like remade. I

7:50

wish I could have like played Lich King

7:52

a little bit more and then experience that.

7:54

But anyway, that's a little bit of an

7:56

aside of my personal gaming time. Right now

7:58

I'm playing right now. started playing

8:00

Elden Ring like two years too late. I

8:03

just want to clarify for the audience out there

8:05

who may be like wondering. So

8:07

there wasn't an actual cataclysm in

8:09

real life, which is what Destin

8:12

said. No, it's the expansion. They

8:14

know World War Crap Cataclysm. Yeah,

8:17

if there was. I have. We

8:20

all probably know about finals. The

8:23

finals are the biggest cataclysm we saw. Yeah.

8:26

But yeah, I've seen that translate over

8:28

to console. I'm dying to see what

8:30

they're going to do in that respect.

8:32

Avowed still is kind of,

8:34

you know, in the mix to just figure out

8:36

what that's actually going to look like and play

8:38

like. Wow, Kai, you sound super high. Avowed is

8:40

there. I mean, again,

8:42

I need to see more of it. Like the

8:45

snippets that we've seen are very,

8:47

very small. Yeah. And, you know, even you

8:49

and I had conversations in a previous episode

8:51

of like, you know, we're hoping to see

8:53

this game kind of get expanded and see

8:55

exactly what is bringing to the table. So

8:57

they have a perfect chance to be able

8:59

to showcase more of what that

9:01

game is to get people like me who are still trying

9:03

to figure it out. Really excited. So those

9:05

are two of the big ones on the list that

9:07

I'm like really hyped for. I'd

9:10

have to guess that we're going to

9:12

get release date trailers or

9:14

at least a release a trailer for Avowed,

9:16

probably in the opening night live

9:19

showcase that Jeff Keighley does that as

9:21

we talked about, I think after we

9:23

got back from L.A. and from from

9:25

the Xbox showcase. Obsidian

9:28

had accidentally leaked it, if

9:30

in fact that turns out to be the correct

9:32

date, which I believe it was November 12th was

9:35

when they had briefly posted on their

9:37

own website. But yeah, I'm

9:39

with you guys. I mean, Avowed, I feel

9:42

like it doesn't have a lot of. Groundswell

9:46

of momentum from the community yet. Well,

9:48

I would disagree because I was I

9:50

was thinking the same thing. I would

9:52

feel the same way, Ryan. I don't

9:54

feel the hype or avowed. You

9:57

go look at the trailers, the trailers are

9:59

doing just about as well. as Doom is

10:01

doing. There's not like a massive swell of

10:03

dislikes or anything like that to the more

10:05

recent reveals. But personally,

10:08

I do not feel the

10:10

hype for a vowed. I talked about this, I do

10:12

live streams on Sunday. And I kind of talked about

10:14

how like, I like man, they

10:16

showed off fighting those mushrooms. And

10:19

it just doesn't look compelling gameplay

10:21

wise, and they showed off later enemies. And

10:24

like, it just doesn't. It's

10:26

just not wowing me. It's not wowing me in the way that

10:28

I hoped in terms from a game play perspective.

10:30

A lot of people are giving it a

10:33

chance because you know, it's it's obsidian and

10:35

they do. Yeah, track recorders. Yeah, yeah.

10:37

Like they don't miss right. So

10:40

I'm going to be in that boat, giving it a

10:42

chance, but I am not hyped by

10:45

what I've seen. like

11:15

that, we're not the only ones that feel like

11:18

the hype's not quite there yet. But Kyle,

11:20

would you agree that that every

11:23

time we've seen a vowed over the last

11:25

couple of years that it's it's looked better

11:27

each time? Yeah, I think I

11:29

think that's been my takeaway so far. And that's the reason

11:31

why I'm still giving it a lot of hope of saying,

11:33

well, we've seen two versions of it. One

11:35

that was kind of, you know, more CG than

11:38

anything. We got a more kind of deeper dive

11:40

with with the team. And now I'm

11:42

hoping that when we get a chance to see the games come

11:44

that or if we do, we get

11:48

a real in depth look at like what you can

11:50

do in this game and how the kind of power

11:52

is synergize with each other and what the world looks

11:54

like in a bigger way. And what are these enemies

11:56

kind of do is are the tactics gonna be better?

11:59

Did they fix some? of the stuff that

12:01

we brought up as as not necessarily complaints,

12:03

but as feedback. Did

12:05

that actually make it into this version of the

12:07

game that we're going to get a chance to

12:09

see? So I'm hoping I'm hoping because I really

12:11

want this game to be good. Yeah. And and

12:13

like Destin was saying that the track record of

12:15

Obsidian suggests it's going to turn out just fine.

12:18

One sentiment I've seen is Obsidian themselves

12:21

that people keep bringing up

12:23

Skyrim, which you take a quick look,

12:25

you just take a visual glance

12:27

at at this game and you

12:30

can understand why. But Obsidian

12:32

is trying to set everybody's expectations to

12:34

more. They keep saying, well, the

12:37

outer worlds think more outer worlds

12:39

than Skyrim. Yeah, in

12:41

scope, size and scope. And that's fine

12:43

because the outer, you

12:45

know, the outer worlds is a is

12:48

very dense and like narratively dense and

12:50

the world is great. So if it's

12:53

if it's, you know, roughly half

12:55

the size content

12:57

wise, length gameplay lengthwise as Skyrim,

12:59

if it's more in line with

13:02

the outer worlds, I don't think anybody is

13:04

really going to complain if you're getting a

13:06

high quality first person fantasy

13:09

RPG here from a developer that's

13:12

known as one of the best to do

13:14

it. So the world's was 13 hours on

13:16

time to beat. So for the

13:18

main campaign time. Yeah, for the

13:20

main campaign and then complete 25 to

13:24

30 hour game when you're kind of

13:26

just taking it all in, right? Yeah, completionist

13:28

runs can take up to 42 hours. Yeah. So I do

13:32

wonder if this game is going to come out

13:34

and just going to get devoured by RPG RPG

13:37

fans. I will tell the

13:42

other one one that's not mentioned here is games

13:44

comes in two months, it'll be late August. By

13:47

then I would think they'd be

13:49

ready to drop an Indiana Jones and the

13:51

Great Circle release date trailer. I mean, we

13:53

we did get a five and a half

13:56

minute gameplay demo at showcase,

13:58

which was great. So I would

14:00

expect when we get that release

14:02

date, probably be a shorter minute and a half,

14:04

two minute trailer, but we'll get that

14:06

date. And then another one

14:08

that I know I personally tend not

14:11

to think about because it's not really my

14:13

jam, but something that a lot of people

14:15

love, and it's a 10 out of 10

14:17

game on IGN, is Microsoft

14:19

Light Simulator. And unless they're planning

14:21

to change the name of it to Microsoft Light

14:23

Simulator 2025, it

14:26

is going to come out this year. And

14:28

as such, we'll probably get a release

14:30

date trailer for that at Gamescom as

14:32

well, probably at Opening Night Live. So

14:34

those are the three for me that

14:37

I'm expecting to see show

14:39

up in Mr. Keeley's showcase. And

14:42

if Phil or whoever is over

14:44

at Opening Night Live does their

14:46

presentation, they could probably just hold

14:49

their big reveal in their hands

14:51

and carry it over, held

14:54

in their hands to demonstrate

14:56

during their Xbox showcase. Hand,

14:59

held, hmm. Oh my goodness, all

15:01

right. Okay. Hey Destin, what are

15:03

you hoping to see from Microsoft

15:05

at Gamescom? The rumored

15:07

handheld that they've been implying.

15:10

He really took us on a walk there,

15:12

Kalief, didn't he? That was a journey. And

15:14

you could take your Xbox handheld on a

15:16

walk or any journey you might be taking,

15:18

be it by plane, train,

15:21

automobile, if you're a passenger anyway,

15:25

with the Xbox handheld. Like honestly, I

15:27

would love to see whatever new hardware

15:29

they've been developing. That would

15:31

be a great reveal to have during Gamescom. And

15:34

then they could do another marketing beat later in

15:36

the year where they dive further into it. But

15:38

I would like

15:40

that. Maybe they're using Gamescom more as like

15:42

the games, as a games focusing

15:45

though. Yeah, Kalief, I don't know if you had

15:47

a chance because we were all in the, what

15:49

I like to call the eye of the hurricane

15:51

in LA and they installed the showcases and the

15:54

Play Days event and the Ubisoft forward and this

15:56

and that and the other thing. So when Phil

15:58

Spencer came on and... sat down

16:00

with me on IGN live and the last

16:02

question I had for him was

16:05

about the handheld and he

16:07

basically said without officially announcing

16:10

it, he basically said, yeah, we're doing a handheld

16:12

that was my caveat. I have

16:14

to caveat this for like the Microsoft ninjas that

16:16

might try to take me out. This is my

16:18

opinion is my interpretation of what

16:21

Phil said, because I'm a master of

16:23

of Phil Spencer. I speak Phil Spencer.

16:25

It's like a it's like a language

16:27

you study and you learn

16:29

what he's actually saying. And

16:32

so he he did all but confirm that

16:34

a handheld is happening. So I mean, in

16:36

all seriousness, to both of you, and I'll

16:38

just start real quick with Destin to finish

16:40

your point. Do you

16:42

think that they would announce it this year? And

16:45

if so, when do you think it might ship?

16:47

When might we be looking at getting it in

16:49

our hands? I need you

16:51

to refresh my memory before I answer

16:53

that question. Do they have any other

16:56

showcases planned for 2024? Whereas whereas it

16:59

Gamescom and then the awards show Keely does every

17:01

year and that's kind of it for their next

17:03

speed. As far as we know,

17:05

that's it. And that's so that's that's what

17:07

the year looks like. I think

17:11

I just I'm not feeling like they would

17:13

reveal that at Gamescom. I

17:15

think they would do it during Keely's thing just thinking on

17:17

it a little bit more like I would love to see

17:19

it at the Game Awards now because they're both. Yes,

17:22

there's two Keely showcases. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry.

17:24

I meant the the Game Awards at

17:26

the end of the year. I think

17:28

that would be where they come out

17:30

and showcase it. But neither of them

17:32

quite feels right. I feel like a

17:34

handheld should be an bespoke Xbox event

17:36

the way the PlayStation five sort

17:38

of did its thing when the console was

17:40

revealed. Take us through

17:42

the tech. Tell us why it's cool. Tell

17:44

us why you're doing this thing. It doesn't

17:46

need to be like three hours long. But

17:49

I feel like an additional Xbox showcase, they

17:51

should own that reveal. I don't think they

17:53

should give it to a Gamescom or a

17:55

or a Keely thing. And

17:57

and then they should do additional

17:59

beats at like the game awards

18:01

or whatever they plan to do

18:04

throughout the year. They could do

18:06

it on their official Xbox podcast.

18:08

Like there's so many opportunities to

18:10

cover their own, their own news

18:12

beat. Scott, do you

18:14

agree with Mr. Ligari here? What are your thoughts

18:16

on this, this a handheld and what the

18:18

timing should or might be? Yeah.

18:20

I mean, I think Destin nailed it. I think, you know, I

18:23

would even say that they should bring it to the spotty. That's

18:25

what they should do. You should put it on the spotty. Uh,

18:27

it's a really good award show. But yeah,

18:29

I think in terms of where kind of big

18:32

messaging goes, I don't think Gamescom is the

18:34

space for it. It would be really

18:36

cool to at least get some visuals around it just

18:38

to kind of showcase what we might be getting. But

18:41

yeah, like you have the space, you have

18:43

the kind of like, uh,

18:45

you know, zeitgeist to kind of have the

18:47

event that you want with, you

18:49

know, going back to summer games fest, the

18:51

presentation that they did was just gorgeous to

18:54

see, like just from a presentation perspective. And

18:56

if you have that kind of firepower, why

18:59

not use that to kind of really give the

19:01

messaging for what this handheld is because everyone wants

19:03

it. It's not a thing that you have to

19:05

worry about now as far as do we know

19:07

if we have good public sentiment around this piece

19:09

of piece of hardware? People are asking

19:11

for it. People want it. And now it's just a matter

19:13

of timing at this point. So yeah, excited to see where

19:15

that will finally finally lands. I'm with

19:18

you both that Gamescom opening night

19:20

live doesn't feel like the right

19:22

venue for an official announcement

19:24

on the handheld. But Destin, I will

19:27

I'm gonna I don't it's

19:29

not that I disagree with you that Xbox should own

19:31

that event because I agree like it would be cool

19:33

if they did a dedicated event

19:35

for just like a short, almost

19:37

Nintendo Direct style thing for

19:40

the handheld to announce it to show it

19:42

to talk about what it

19:44

can do. I mean, we talk all the

19:47

time on this podcast or at least far

19:49

too often about how Microsoft historically

19:51

is just not good at messaging

19:53

their strengths. They just seem to

19:55

constantly be defensive and well, you

19:57

know, reacting to things rather than

19:59

pro. actively telling you why

20:02

you should play games on their platform and why

20:04

it's great. I mean, the showcase they just did

20:07

was a great example of what they

20:09

should be doing more of, which is just punching

20:11

you in the face with, here's why you should be

20:13

on our platform. We have all these

20:16

exclusives, all these game pass day one

20:18

games. And I'd love to

20:20

see the same thing with the handheld, but I

20:23

could definitely see them revealing

20:25

it at the game awards and then

20:27

maybe following that with a deeper dive,

20:29

their own kind of showcase

20:31

mini showcase later. Because

20:34

remember, the the

20:36

series X itself was unveiled at the

20:38

game awards in 2019. And now

20:41

Microsoft is trying to reach a bigger

20:44

audience, not just the folks

20:46

already under the Xbox tent. So I

20:49

could potentially see a game award

20:52

scenario for the handheld. I'm sure

20:55

I'll be wrong because more often than

20:57

not. Yeah, yeah, I

20:59

can see. Yeah, agreed. But

21:01

it is coming. It's just a matter of when.

21:05

Coming up fairly soon, though we don't have

21:08

a date yet is something that just had

21:10

popped off this morning that I was thrilled

21:12

about. I woke up when I first logged

21:14

into work and clicked into social media today.

21:16

I saw this and it

21:18

already made my morning like within two minutes.

21:20

I was thrilled. Capcom has announced

21:23

by the way, Capcom, who just keeps

21:25

winning this for the last I mean,

21:27

for this generation and they

21:29

continue to do everything right.

21:31

They are on fire over

21:33

these last number of years.

21:35

Capcom has announced another W

21:37

in my humble opinion, provided that the

21:40

thing they put out delivers

21:42

in the in the technical department.

21:45

But it is a dead rising

21:47

remaster, specifically the DRDR

21:49

dead rising deluxe remaster, a

21:52

remaster of the original Xbox 360 game

21:55

coming to modern platforms. No release date

21:57

yet in the trailer, which of course,

21:59

if you're watching. watching us on video, you're seeing

22:01

that trailer right now, which

22:03

I'm happy to watch again, actually, because you

22:05

do get a sense of how good it

22:07

looks. Like, Kalief, look how good Frank looks

22:09

here. I mean, the hair

22:12

is popping. He's looking like a disheveled

22:14

reporter, trying to make his way through

22:17

the zombie apocalypse, like we know and

22:19

love. I'm making, the thing I'm mad

22:21

about with this is as a

22:24

person who has remake fatigue,

22:27

this thing just was like, oh man, this is the

22:29

game that I really want to play too. Why would

22:31

you do that to me? As a person who's like,

22:33

no, I don't want to see any more remakes, but

22:35

I love Dead Rising. Dead Rising brings back

22:37

so many good memories. And I'm like, man,

22:39

they're really gonna make this feel as

22:42

modern as they possibly can, and it's just gonna

22:44

bring so many good memories back. So day on

22:46

it, Capcom always making me go back on my

22:49

work. Yeah,

22:51

and you really hit on that. What I wanted

22:53

to bring here, and I think the three of

22:55

us are all old enough to

22:57

do this for the audience that might be a little

23:00

younger. If Stella were here, Stella's

23:02

busy on a preview so that she's got a

23:04

deadline for, so that's why she couldn't make the

23:06

show today. But for the younger

23:08

audience, I think it is worth the

23:11

three of us just having a brief

23:13

little discussion on why this game was

23:16

awesome in the moment in 2006 and

23:19

why it's probably still gonna be

23:21

awesome. Now, as you saw

23:23

in the trailer there, if you're watching us on

23:25

video, there

23:27

was a remaster in 2016. So even

23:30

that was eight years ago. I

23:32

didn't play that. So I

23:35

haven't played the original since

23:37

the 360 days, since it came

23:39

out. I've played each of them, Dead Rising

23:41

2, of course, with Chuck, Dead

23:43

Rising 3, Dead Rising 4 as an

23:45

Xbox One launch title. And

23:48

then sadly that the developer, Capcom

23:50

Vancouver, is unfortunately

23:52

no more some time ago

23:54

now. But in my

23:56

opinion, the first one's still the best because it...

24:00

Destin, I think it's fair to say we

24:02

at that time had never really seen a game

24:04

like this. Yeah, I

24:07

agree. What was really cool about

24:09

the original was the sheer density

24:11

of zombies in the area and

24:14

there was actually an achievement.

24:16

I want to know exactly what you're

24:18

going to say. Running over thousands of

24:20

zombies. It's killing

24:23

the equivalent of the population of Willamette,

24:25

the fictional tenants. And I believe I'll

24:27

look it up while you're talking. I

24:29

believe it's 65,000 plus zombies that you

24:31

have. I

24:33

have that one. You can go check on

24:35

my profile if it's locked because of some

24:38

random preview. But yeah, you can

24:40

go check my achievement right now. I

24:42

played the crap out of this game. I

24:44

loved it. And that was the one

24:46

I got. The way that you would do it is you

24:48

would get in the car and you would just run around

24:50

in the the under part because it was just wall

24:53

the wall zombies down there and you

24:55

could like just mow them down repeatedly.

24:57

The game is really fun. It's really

24:59

hard also because you have these additional

25:01

challenges of saving pedestrians and you have

25:03

very tight time windows to do it.

25:06

So you have to rush because time is

25:08

constantly ticking while you play. And

25:12

it's you have to like follow

25:14

a guide to get the timing right. Otherwise

25:16

you definitely will lose pedestrians

25:19

and then you have to like escort them

25:21

to a safe room, which is also really

25:23

hard to do. There's like

25:25

cool power ups you can get like you

25:27

can play the man outfit. You can get

25:29

the lights. I think there's a lightsaber, but

25:31

there is a functioning lightsaber that's like hidden.

25:34

Nice. Well, I would always do the Mega

25:36

Man hand cannon, which is also functional and

25:38

you could like get the Mega Buster and

25:40

just shoot everybody with the Mega Buster in

25:42

the mall. It's silly. It's

25:45

fun. It's like exactly what you want from a

25:47

zombie game. I'm really excited. They brought

25:49

back the first one. The mall was the perfect setting

25:51

for it. The

25:54

designer of this was Keiji Inafune while

25:56

he was still at Capcom, who was

25:58

the original creator of Mega Man. Like

26:00

I said, there's all sorts of other

26:03

Capcom Easter eggs. Yeah. In this game,

26:05

like you can put on all

26:07

sorts of crazy outfits because that's what

26:10

being set in a mall. There's just

26:12

a bunch of stores and you can

26:14

grab things that are random and nonsensical.

26:17

And it's and it's just so good. And if

26:19

you actually complete the campaign, which is

26:22

timed, you can you can just

26:24

let the game end like there's there are a bunch

26:26

of endings in this game. Calif, do you remember which

26:28

ending you got off the I know it's been a

26:30

while. It's been a long time. I

26:32

can't remember which ending I got. But I

26:34

guess I love the fact that they had

26:36

multiple endings in these games. It was so

26:38

good to be able to have that for

26:40

sure. I don't even remember what ending I

26:42

got. So I was asking you hoping you

26:44

maybe you'd remember your totally don't remember. It's

26:46

been so long. It's been so long. But

26:48

the story I do remember the story gets

26:50

really cool and interesting. I won't spoil

26:52

it for anybody that hasn't played it that will be playing it

26:54

for the first time. But there is a

26:56

fun narrative going on if

26:58

you if you go deeper

27:01

into the game too. And I had

27:03

overestimated the zombie count.

27:05

So it's the zombie genocider

27:07

achievement. And you need to

27:10

kill 53,594 zombies in

27:15

a single playthrough of the 72

27:17

hour mode. The game takes place

27:20

over three days. That's what

27:22

you have to do. So you know,

27:24

you've got to be you've got to figure

27:26

out creative ways to kill a whole bunch

27:28

of zombies. Oh, man,

27:30

I love this game so much. And, you know,

27:33

this came out as well. Just one

27:35

other quick sort of historical context note

27:37

for this about why this

27:39

this remaster makes me so happy. It's this

27:43

game came out in I believe it was August

27:45

of 2006, if

27:47

my memory is correct on that. And

27:51

so it was it was 11 months. Well,

27:55

no, not even there's like nine.

27:57

Yeah, nine months into the 360.

27:59

So it was a pretty early

28:01

game. And again, like

28:03

Destin was saying, we'd never seen

28:05

a game with this many characters

28:07

of any sort on screen at

28:09

once. And it was

28:12

just like, it was a technical marvel

28:14

at the time. And

28:16

it was all in, you know, in HD, this

28:18

was, this was like one of

28:20

the games that in its own very weird

28:22

way, really kind of felt

28:25

next gen and looked next gen like it

28:27

very much was not just

28:30

a game you'd see on the original Xbox

28:32

or the PS2 that was

28:34

running in 1280 by 720 instead of 640 by 480. This was like

28:40

a new thing that you hadn't seen before.

28:42

And go ahead, cop please. The

28:45

one thing because I know Destin wanted to go. The

28:47

one thing that made me love this game was there

28:49

was a game that came out before it. That

28:52

really made me excited for what the big

28:54

zombie world game would be and that was

28:56

rock star state of emergency. Oh, yeah,

28:58

that that was the precursor to this. And I

29:01

was like, oh, they've nailed the technical advancement that

29:03

they can have all these characters on screen. So

29:05

that's the reason why I had such a really

29:07

big place of love in my heart for this

29:09

game. So that's awesome. I'm a scrub.

29:12

I only have 620 out of 1000 achievements zombie genocider

29:15

was was the 15359. As you said, Ryan, and there it is.

29:20

I think that was the last one I got or the

29:22

first one I got. Because it wasn't

29:25

the first one you got. There's no one. No,

29:28

because like the other ones are tied to saving people,

29:30

I think. So I think one of the first ones

29:32

I wanted to get was that well, I'd have to

29:34

look at date unlocked. Yeah, I definitely have it. I

29:38

really hope people play this. I Frank.

29:42

They made Frank West fantastic Frank West.

29:44

They made him look like an old

29:47

washed up reporter sort of, but like

29:49

he looks like he has a lot

29:51

of energy still like his

29:53

soul hasn't been crushed. So

29:55

like it's it's nice to see the direction they

29:58

went with him. I wish they made him look

30:00

a little cooler. I don't know. But

30:02

yeah, yeah, I don't just love this game

30:04

because you play as a journalist, but it

30:07

does help. It does help. I do appreciate

30:09

that. There aren't a lot of games where

30:11

you're playing as as a journalist. Yeah, you

30:13

get points for taking photos in the game

30:15

and stuff, too. Even even Alan Wake's a

30:17

writer, not a journalist. So it's like it's

30:19

adjacent to what I do. It's not quite

30:21

the same thing. And

30:24

and thankfully, my memory was was

30:26

accurate. August 8th, 2006 was

30:30

the release date for the original

30:32

Dead Rising. So,

30:34

yeah, we'll we'll have to see when. I

30:37

mean, I have to imagine that this isn't going

30:39

to be the kind of game that has

30:41

a big drawn out marketing and public

30:43

relations campaign. So if Capcom is choosing

30:45

to announce this now at the end

30:47

of June, I

30:50

would I would bet the usual

30:52

in and out burger lunch that it's definitely going

30:54

to be out by the holidays, if

30:56

not sooner, if not something like August or

30:59

early September kind of thing. They should put it out.

31:01

I mean, why not just put it out on August 8th?

31:03

Make it the 18th anniversary

31:05

of of

31:08

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38:00

I think there are still glimmers of hope

38:02

that this thing is going to wind up dropping. I

38:04

just feel like with the cadence

38:06

that Ubisoft kind of pushes out games,

38:09

where in what development cycle is

38:12

this thing at? Where is

38:14

the kind of conversations about what this game

38:16

is still going to try to be? Because

38:18

the goalposts have probably moved a lot in

38:20

terms of scope and

38:22

just like public sentiment about what this game is supposed

38:25

to be. So again,

38:27

I have hope, but

38:29

I have hope about a lot of things in this

38:31

world. I don't know if they're actually going to happen.

38:33

So well, I will say I do genuinely

38:36

like the Knicks chances next year

38:38

because you just picked up

38:40

my guy, McHale Bridges, a

38:42

brilliant Phoenix son who all

38:45

the sons fans adored. He doesn't have to be

38:47

the number one option in in

38:49

New York. He'll play alongside Brunson.

38:51

He'll play. You got Randall over. He's just

38:53

going to play lockdown defense and shoot threes

38:56

and slash. He's going to be awesome for

38:58

you guys. So I don't know,

39:00

man. Maybe the Knicks win a title before

39:02

it comes out. It could happen. It

39:05

could happen. Destin,

39:09

BGE 2 has now spanned the

39:11

development of it has now spanned

39:13

three console generations. Where

39:15

are you with this game and your your

39:17

interest level and your quite frankly,

39:20

your level of belief in its existence?

39:23

Yeah, I got to conduct the

39:25

interview when they were

39:27

talking about utilizing assets from

39:30

like a community hub thing. There was a bunch of

39:32

drama around that. Is that the

39:34

Jordan goes Joseph Gordon Levitt thing? Yeah,

39:36

I got the interview. Joseph, Joseph, Gordon

39:39

Levitt. He was very nice, actually, and

39:41

very like just an awesome guy. But

39:43

yeah, he was trying to do this

39:45

community project where people would be

39:48

able to submit assets and then get paid

39:50

for their work. But the internet didn't like

39:52

that. I don't really know what the drama

39:54

was about. I thought my head, but anyway,

39:56

that was part of it. So I got to do an

39:58

interview about that. I got to talk about the, the, the

40:00

reveal when it

40:02

came out. And it's just been

40:04

cricket since then. So I'm interested in it, but

40:06

like my hype level is at like zero right

40:08

now. Cause I feel like the,

40:11

as you said, the internet feels like it's a

40:13

vaporware at this point. I'm glad they mentioned it,

40:15

but it's just like, all right. And they

40:18

just, they're doing the 20th anniversary edition, which

40:21

is where that mention is. So like that

40:23

just came out. Maybe we got something

40:25

coming in the next year, maybe at the game

40:27

awards, like we were talking about for X-Box. It

40:30

would be nice. I feel like Ubisoft,

40:32

you like got a win on your hands here. Like

40:35

Skull and Bones is a huge flop. Where's our Beyond

40:37

Good and Evil news? What comes

40:39

out first Destin, this or the Splinter

40:41

Cell remake? Or do I just,

40:43

do I die first? Am I in the ground

40:46

before? I

40:49

think this, I think this first.

40:52

Don't, you're just bumming me out, dude. Why did

40:54

you just make me feel better

40:56

and say Splinter Cell? What do

40:58

we have from Splinter Cell? Like four screenshots?

41:00

Concept, it's not, they're not even screenshots. It's

41:03

concept art. Yeah, four shots. Yeah, next to

41:05

five. Yeah.

41:07

Yeah. And when was that Ryan, three

41:09

years ago? I think so. I believe it was three years ago. Yeah,

41:11

I had to pull the stills and

41:13

cut together a little thing for our Ubisoft post

41:16

show during IGN live. I was doing

41:18

production on that. And I was like, is this really

41:20

the last thing that we've heard about the Splinter Cell

41:22

remake? It's the only thing, wow. Yeah.

41:25

I mean, to get

41:27

a little more serious is what I was trying to

41:29

say. My genuine

41:31

concerns about this are, well,

41:34

there's kind of two. The one is, how

41:39

could this, and the reason I just

41:41

have trouble believing that it will ever make it to

41:43

the finish line and come out is I don't

41:46

understand how this could make money for Ubisoft

41:48

after all this time. Now, even if it

41:50

hasn't been in like active,

41:53

large team development since 2008,

41:56

they've been spending money on it since 2008.

42:00

At this point, how could it possibly recoup

42:03

its costs unless

42:05

Ubisoft, I guess

42:07

they do see it as a franchise

42:09

because they use the word franchise. But

42:12

the first one wasn't some like mega

42:15

million seller. It was

42:17

a critically liked game

42:19

that was good. I'm

42:24

having trouble seeing why

42:27

a company with shareholders, especially

42:30

one that we've seen the

42:32

reports and their own financials. Ubisoft

42:36

has had a tough last couple

42:38

of years. Now, they're

42:41

pretty well positioned to have a better

42:43

financial year this year on the back

42:45

of Star Wars Outlaws, which,

42:48

Khalif, if you played that, I would love to have you talk

42:51

about that for a second because I wasn't able to get over

42:53

to that one. So

42:56

they've got that and Assassin's Creed Shadows, which looks

42:59

like might be the closest thing I

43:01

actually do get to a Splinter Cell

43:03

game because they seem to be actually

43:05

employing stealth mechanics into that one.

43:08

So there's the business case for Beyond Good and Evil

43:10

2. And then the

43:12

other piece of it, not

43:15

that any one person is irreplaceable

43:17

on a development team, but the

43:20

creator and director of the game,

43:22

Michel Ansel, retired and

43:24

not recently. It was a

43:26

couple of years ago or a few years ago at this

43:28

point. In fact, he left

43:30

behind a couple of Michel Ansel games

43:32

that have yet to come out, which

43:34

was with this. And if

43:37

anybody remembers from a Sony livestream

43:40

many years ago now, remember

43:42

Wild? That was a

43:44

Michel Ansel game too. So

43:47

not that someone else couldn't step into the

43:49

director's chair, but I don't see

43:51

why this

43:54

game would come out. I hope, again,

43:57

if it's a good game that has a good

43:59

vision, sure. Tech

48:00

is so cool. Like just the people that

48:02

were watching right now. So yeah, if you're

48:04

listening on audio, it's red faction gorilla is

48:06

what Destin's referring to. Yeah. Destin, talk about

48:08

this a little bit. What made

48:10

it, what made it special? What was really

48:12

special about this game is it was one of those

48:14

early games that allowed you to kind of destroy everything.

48:16

You could take out part of a wall and use

48:19

that as a new entrance to fight against

48:21

the enemies. You could, I believe you could terraform

48:23

a lot of the land. And right

48:25

now we're just watching B roll of a

48:27

character running around, like blowing up pieces of

48:29

a tower and watching the tower crumble from,

48:32

from the sky to the ground. It's, it's, it

48:35

was just really interesting from a

48:37

technical perspective. And that gameplay loop

48:40

gives you a lot of opportunity to sort

48:42

of mess around with the idea of destructibility.

48:45

It's a mechanic that we've seen in other

48:47

games, but I don't think we've seen recently.

48:52

And I would love to see more games

48:54

utilize technology like this to like create interesting

48:56

gameplay mechanics that aren't locking you into like

48:59

one set path that allow you to kind

49:01

of get a little crazy with

49:03

how you do combat encounters. Yeah.

49:06

Red, red faction do what

49:08

crack down. Don't write Destin.

49:10

Yeah. Destin's

49:12

favorite game. Crackdown three. He

49:16

played it if you don't remember when it came

49:18

out. So I was really hopeful

49:20

that Crackdown three would do something like this. We

49:22

all were. And that, that was a big reason

49:24

I was so hyped for it. So. Man,

49:27

I love this game so much. Go ahead, Kalief.

49:29

Yeah. I have so many fond

49:31

memories of this game. This is, this is pre-leveolution from

49:34

battlefield. This is a,

49:36

you know, procedurally generated stuff before, well, it wasn't

49:38

pretty easy generated at this point. It was all

49:40

kind of built into like the closest thing we

49:42

have now is the finals in terms

49:44

of having games with destructibility in it. And that,

49:46

that's doing a version of this, but hearing

49:49

that this is going that's never going to see the

49:51

thought light of day. It makes me so sad because

49:53

that destruction was so good and being

49:55

able to have that with the new technology we have

49:57

now, man, that would have been fantastic. And the thing.

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