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I do feel like

1:01

we're coming to the end of the glut.

1:04

I hope so. Yeah. Man's

1:07

has other things to do. But

1:12

it does feel like Billie Eilish putting

1:14

out this album that came out

1:16

on Friday. Hit me hard and

1:19

soft. That

1:21

does feel like the cap. It

1:24

does feel like the end of a thing. Okay.

1:26

It's like the Danu Moi. It does feel that

1:28

way a little bit. Does it strike you like

1:31

that? Like, aren't you tired? You

1:34

know who's tired? Dua Lipa episode coming

1:36

soon. We're

1:38

going to get to that Dua Lipa

1:40

album eventually. This is honestly, it's though

1:42

this is the problem with the Dua

1:44

Lipa album. It's eminently bumpable. Stuff

1:47

just keeps it is elbowing

1:49

and out of the way. The Dua Lipa album,

1:53

the way I don't do things to do list in

1:55

like a classic way. We have to say like, I

1:57

write out 10 things and then like cross them out.

2:00

I have like a never ending document in

2:02

my, on my computer and I'll just like

2:04

delete things and then move things up and

2:06

rearrange them. Like a dual leap album is

2:08

the one that keeps getting like, yeah, like

2:10

it's probably on like

2:13

page four of the document right

2:15

now. Um, respect, respect the apologies.

2:17

Billy, Billy feels like not

2:19

quite a grand finale, but

2:21

especially because I don't want to

2:23

talk about this, like the rollout has

2:25

been both understated and then really

2:28

kicked up. Like the day the

2:30

album came out, basically like Billy

2:33

is the kind of artist now

2:35

on her third album has such

2:37

a huge and dedicated

2:39

fan base is obviously permanent

2:41

a list for as long as she wants to

2:44

be. So she can release a 10 song

2:46

album with no single and,

2:49

and have it still feel like an event. Okay.

2:52

Uh, has Billy,

2:55

I was really like when

2:57

we were looking at the

2:59

discography. Earlier, Billy

3:01

Eilish quite literally just wins Grammys

3:04

probably for her podcast, the Lux appearance probably

3:06

going to win a Grammy. Yeah. Billy

3:08

just opened her mouth. Yeah. Somebody handed

3:10

her a Grammy right now. I feel that way. Yeah. Um,

3:13

so it's striking and kind of strange to me that Billy

3:15

Eilish doesn't have more albums than she does. Right.

3:18

Cause she basically has two album

3:20

cycles for songs that won Oscars,

3:23

the Barbie one and the James

3:25

Bond one. Yes. Yeah.

3:27

And which are not on her albums. Right. And

3:30

also like the prior stuff, like the early

3:32

stuff, the SoundCloud stuff, like that's right. She

3:34

also has the EP. Like there's a cycle

3:36

before the first album. The Ocean Bulls era.

3:39

Yes. Um, but this Billy

3:41

Eilish album, I think

3:44

my note, Billy

3:46

Eilish, I've always referred to her as the

3:48

Tony Bennett of our times. I'm

3:50

off. I'm always saying Tony Bennett of

3:52

our times. Uh,

3:54

a singer who is

3:57

a classicist masking as. edgy,

4:01

uh, I think probably edgy in her actual life, but

4:03

I mean more in sort of

4:05

like the aesthetics, the

4:08

aesthetic of the set of edgy choices

4:10

to dress up quite traditional structures, allodry,

4:12

and also like her

4:14

voice. I think she has a

4:16

really good voice. Um, it's

4:18

like, it's powerful. It's Husky. It

4:20

has a color

4:23

and range in it, but it

4:25

just use a lot of it. Sure. She has

4:27

a whisper and then she has a whale, but

4:29

the whale is like twice an album. And

4:32

I feel like to

4:34

me of all contemporary

4:36

pop stars, except dual Lipa, Billie

4:39

Eilish has made the most of like

4:41

a rather limited palette. I

4:44

haven't really liked almost all the

4:46

Billie Eilish, all

4:48

the Billie Eilish songs, like

4:51

all the Billie Eilish songs, but, um,

4:53

if they do feel very much within

4:56

one band on the full

4:58

spectrum. Um, so I

5:00

was very surprised by

5:02

how this album sounds. This album does

5:04

not sound like old Billie Eilish albums.

5:07

Uh, first of all, before

5:09

I tell you what it is, you want

5:11

to say, if you think it sounds like

5:13

old Billie Eilish album? Uh, well, it's once

5:15

again, her and her brother, Finneas always, uh,

5:17

locked in for album number three,

5:19

um, these

5:21

kids love Radiohead. These

5:23

kids really love Radiohead. I mean, they've, they've

5:25

always loved Radiohead and there was touches of

5:27

that, but felt it, felt

5:30

it more here. Um, I

5:32

think there's some familiarity

5:35

and then there's some swerves. Like

5:37

there's they, Billie Bossanova, you

5:39

know, like she's, they always love a

5:41

little swing, a

5:43

little backbeat. Uh, they,

5:45

they, they returned to a

5:48

few of the same accents.

5:50

Um, but no, overall, I

5:52

had more moments listening to this Billie

5:54

Eilish album where I'm like, this sounds like something and

5:56

I can't quite place it. Uh,

5:58

all right. Let's hear it.

6:00

What do you got? Okay, just some broad thoughts

6:02

like obviously one of the things that Finneas has

6:04

done so well on Prior

6:07

Billy out Billy Eilish albums also

6:10

people still mad about the eyelash thing

6:12

about you calling her Billy I like

6:14

people still upset about that. Was anyone

6:16

ever upset? Yeah, I feel like people

6:18

were upset. It's a good fun It's

6:20

light-hearted We tease because

6:22

we love Finneas

6:25

is Extremely

6:28

gifted at filling

6:31

all the space like

6:33

there's no negative space in Billy Eilish

6:35

songs historically he's filling

6:37

a lot like the

6:40

Through line she has such a sturdiness

6:42

in her vocal presentation But

6:44

what they don't do is lighten the things

6:46

around her to make the voice the center

6:49

You feel like she's arriving in the middle

6:51

of a kind of like Pre-existing

6:53

full-spectrum soundscape and I think

6:55

they've done an incredible job

6:58

of Turning something that

7:00

could have been dense and like

7:02

almost like suffocating But

7:04

she's so tuneful like she's so

7:06

gifted structurally that she able to

7:09

like rescue sounds like that I'm

7:11

surprised with how much air there is on this

7:13

record. Yeah, that was the first thing I noticed.

7:16

Um What came to mind for

7:18

me? British

7:20

soul music like contemporary British soul music

7:22

like Jesse Ware Mabel

7:24

like people along those lines Yeah,

7:26

cuz I feel like you're hearing

7:29

the kind of curves in Billy's

7:31

voice more on this album than

7:33

on prior albums but really This

7:36

okay, we'll talk about what the sound was about

7:39

but like in terms of where it sits in

7:41

her career. This is her John

7:44

Mayer continuum Wow. Okay.

7:47

This is her John Mayer continuum. It's Taking

7:51

the moat like everything that predates continuum

7:53

is like John Mayer in mode and

7:57

Continuum is like no I make tuneful pop like

8:00

yes, like maybe you showed up because I can do the

8:02

guitar well, or maybe you showed up because you thought I

8:04

was handsome. Or maybe you showed up

8:06

because you thought I was a great singer. But

8:09

like, you showed up for those

8:11

reasons. And but then that's where the pivot

8:13

in the career comes where he's like, actually, I do much

8:16

more. I'm capable of more things.

8:18

This it breathed in

8:20

a way that earlier, John Mayer,

8:22

who's didn't breathe. This album to me,

8:24

breathes. And I think the point that

8:27

they're trying to communicate is

8:29

that like, you know, goth

8:31

Billy, emo Billy, whatever, you know,

8:34

darkwave Billy, like that's that stuff is

8:36

not what's going to define Billy Eilish

8:39

moving forward. Well, I do think it's

8:41

most interesting that you we

8:43

mentioned the Oscar songs like she

8:45

has become a ballads

8:48

artist like become or

8:51

the first the first album, you know, you have

8:53

bad guy, you had the title track, you know,

8:55

when we all fall asleep, where do we go

8:58

spooky sounds like it was very like great tour.

9:00

Yeah, amazing tour. You went to the radio. No,

9:04

I felt like the smaller Oh, you were

9:06

for that. Yeah. But it was very much

9:08

like, ooh, Billy is like, oh, she's Marilyn

9:10

Manson or something, you know, like that was

9:12

like the head fake. And

9:14

then happier than ever, the second album was, you know,

9:17

quieter. And then the Barbie song

9:20

and the other Oscar song very

9:22

quiet. And then this album, I

9:24

feel like it is almost that

9:27

but then every song has a

9:29

beat switch where

9:31

there's like a something grander

9:33

happening. But does it

9:35

feel lighter to you? Yeah, definitely feels lighter. I feel

9:37

like they have like whatever synth

9:39

presets they were on, you know, are like,

9:42

are like feathery, you know,

9:45

like, you

9:47

know, airy vibes, for sure.

9:49

And I think

9:52

you're right that there's some soul like talking

9:54

about specific tracks, like my favorite song on

9:56

here, the one that's really stuck with me

9:58

is Like probably. The least

10:00

he lee song around here and it

10:02

really sounds to me like clara type

10:04

beat or like sky for at i

10:06

b which are wet and that's birds

10:08

of a feather ah man is at

10:11

wet wet love you know shudder to

10:13

at those the of earth gets out

10:15

of disclose those are those are friends

10:17

by but know what they really but

10:19

not real happy as a really big

10:21

wet not to be give you that

10:23

they were or the con a wet

10:25

tank top down which honestly missed opportunity

10:27

the candidly ah but birds of a

10:29

feather. Has that like. Bouncy.

10:32

British Soul? Fang? Ah yes.

10:34

really. Lights, pretty pop or.

10:37

And to me, The.

10:39

Resign Know works is because I'm always

10:41

so mad when really good writers use

10:44

a cliche. Ah as that the

10:46

song title on the hook their arm but when

10:48

I can get past sit on my enough

10:50

of the i did that and I know it's

10:52

working on but yeah like. Platelet.

10:54

We should move to a little better of higher but to

10:56

me this is like. You.

10:59

Know this album. He can listen to it

11:01

once in the Ico. it's pretty. Down.

11:03

Tempo? whatever. And then there is. The

11:05

more I listened to it the more

11:07

I found my tux. And like script

11:09

moments that are hiding sometimes on the

11:11

tracks are like this one is around.

11:38

Service album. More. Fertile

11:41

cycle of about the rollout of us albums

11:43

are going back to. Talking

11:45

about some the press, Billie did

11:47

a big Rolling Stone their view.

11:49

Very sexually forward. Yeah, very sexually

11:52

frank. I'm. Talking. About

11:54

coming into our sexuality. and

11:57

that is very much the subject matter

11:59

of Certainly of the top half of this

12:01

album. Sure. Very much in subject matter. And it

12:07

does feel in the same way that there

12:09

is when you read that story, you

12:12

see that push and pull between like,

12:16

I'm like tossing off all the conventions of

12:18

what people had asked of me previously. But

12:20

I also understand that this too is kind

12:22

of a performance. It's both at

12:24

the same time. That's how I feel

12:26

about these songs at the top of

12:28

the album, where I'm like, wow, it's

12:30

like incredibly sharp and astute and like

12:34

really good songwriting. But also,

12:36

you know, like they're so

12:38

self-conscious in a way. Right.

12:41

And it takes me out

12:43

of the moment slightly. But on

12:45

a baseline level, I think it's really

12:47

refreshing to hear her sing like this.

12:49

I think it's refreshing to hear her

12:52

talk like this. When

12:55

you go back to the first two, forget the

12:57

soundtrack songs. When you go back to the first

13:00

two albums, there's

13:02

like a cloistering of Billie

13:05

Eilish's emotion. The emotion is

13:07

implicit because of what Phineas is doing. But

13:09

sometimes I'm not getting the full range of

13:11

it. That's kind of I think one of

13:14

as much as I like

13:16

Billie Eilish music, there's always been a restraint

13:18

in her vocal presentation that I think has

13:20

kept me at a little bit of a

13:22

distance from it. But I think on this

13:24

go around, I feel much closer to the

13:26

words. I feel much closer to the voice.

13:29

I think in a literal sense, there's less

13:31

like Phineas is doing less. But

13:33

I also it's what happens when you

13:35

grow up and become more comfortable and kind of

13:37

like cut to the point. It's

13:40

interesting that you mentioned the sort of frankness

13:43

around sexuality or feeling or whatever it is,

13:45

because I do think like, I mean, like

13:47

bad guys are breakthrough song and that's like

13:50

quite explicit

13:54

in for a teenage artist. And I

13:56

guess it's interesting. Billie is interesting as

13:58

a teen star. growing up because

14:01

she came in on her

14:03

own. Like she didn't come

14:05

with the Disney or Nickelodeon or, right,

14:09

you know, make, having to make G

14:11

rated or PG music. Like she was

14:13

always a little bit edgy

14:15

in, in everything, but she did come.

14:17

The Anavex at Sextantasio. Yeah, famously. Yeah.

14:20

Uh, but she did come with her

14:22

family, which is the sort of like,

14:24

that's her baggage. I

14:26

spent some time in their house. Yeah. I know they

14:28

slept in a family bed together, you know, well

14:31

into, to childhood, the four of them

14:34

very, very, very tight knit family homeschooled.

14:37

Um, I remember her parents telling me, I'll

14:39

never forget. They were like, we've never spent a

14:41

night away from them. Like we never had a

14:44

babysitter. Like they were always together. And the fact

14:46

that she makes this music with her brother, you

14:49

know, and I think you saw her sort of

14:51

shaking some of that off in the documentary that

14:53

came out a couple of years ago. I was

14:55

thinking a lot about the documentary, which is like

14:57

another product of kind of like, I'm showing you

14:59

so much and it's completely controlled or regulated. It's

15:01

just interesting to think of

15:04

Billy growing up in public, but

15:06

always feeling a certain level of freedom.

15:08

But you still realize like, even the

15:11

bad girl teen

15:13

artists, like when they come of age in the

15:16

public eye, they really feel that like the opening

15:18

song here, skinny, she's talking about wearing less of

15:20

the Billy Eilish baggy clothes, you know, the look.

15:22

And she's like, people say, I look so happy

15:24

cause I'm skinny, but you know, the

15:26

old me is the real me. Yeah.

15:30

We're in less than going out more. And then, um, and

15:32

then she gets to lunch, which is the second track and the

15:34

first single which has a music video that came out over the

15:36

weekend. And

15:55

now That's

16:00

the one where she's talking about same-sex

16:02

attraction, same-sex lust basically, and really, really

16:04

going for it. And that was sort

16:06

of the... That came hand in hand

16:09

with the racy quotes from the Rolling

16:11

Stone profile. Hearing you

16:13

talk about Bad Guy, which yes,

16:15

as subjects matter, obviously

16:18

felt very

16:22

both learned and raw for someone

16:24

at that age, but Bad

16:26

Guy, as with a lot of Billy songs,

16:30

every time I hear Bad Guy, I kind of

16:32

imagine a lounge singer doing like... Sure. Yeah.

16:36

Bad... You kind of

16:38

imagine it that way. You kind

16:40

of imagine it that way. And a

16:42

lot of y'all could benefit from imagining it

16:44

that way. But that's

16:46

always kept, like I said, it's kept a little bit

16:48

of a barrier between me and the subject matter. Whereas

16:51

again, I do not experience anything

16:54

like that, even though plenty of

16:56

the songs here are incredibly tuneful,

16:58

but they don't feel like standard.

17:01

Like Lunch does not feel

17:03

like a standard. Like Lunch is a

17:06

catchy, damp

17:09

statement of purpose about waking

17:11

up and not waking up and

17:14

wanting to never wake up from this

17:16

fever dream of a new reality. And

17:19

so to me, this

17:21

feels like a positive, successful

17:23

iteration that both acknowledges

17:27

what Billy has been good at, but

17:29

also makes a space for her to

17:31

do a new thing without being mired

17:33

in this old idea. Yeah. We

17:35

were talking a little bit about the rollout. The other thing

17:37

she did, you know, the day before this album came out

17:40

was she did a listening party. Kanye

17:42

stands mad. Yeah. And she did

17:45

basically a full scale arena concert.

17:49

In Brooklyn at Barclays. Yup.

17:51

Walking around the floor. Walking around listening to her own

17:53

music. It wasn't... Then he kept filming her.

17:55

Yeah. You know, the fog machine,

17:57

all of that. That's

18:00

like, you know, she, I feel

18:02

like they played very well with

18:04

scale on this. It's like, it's a small,

18:06

tight album. It came out relatively quietly, but

18:08

then here's a big arena show where we

18:10

can make it a thing. You know, the,

18:12

uh, the other thing they did

18:14

over the weekend was they released a vocals

18:17

only version of it, um, which

18:19

they've said they wanted to do forever,

18:21

which is like, no, it's very radio

18:23

head. It's very nine inch nails. It's

18:25

like, uh, you know, remix us, whatever.

18:28

Um, there was a little, yeah. I'm

18:30

sorry about that. Pop star cold war behind

18:32

the scenes. Okay. So as

18:36

we said, it's been a very busy six to

18:38

eight weeks. Taylor, uh, tortured

18:40

post-partum remains at the top of the album

18:43

chart. Um, and

18:45

seemingly she wants to remain there from what I tell.

18:47

Yes. Uh, on, on the

18:49

day of Billy Eilish's release, Taylor Swift

18:52

put out some more digital deluxe

18:54

versions. Jay

18:56

did the release of it, me

18:58

hearted soft with three vocal notes.

19:02

Yeah. Uh, releasing some voice memos that

19:04

could choose her streaming numbers again and

19:06

have her, I don't know, compete for

19:09

another number one. Some people, including

19:11

made it all the way to TMZ, which I thought

19:13

was interesting. Took this as a shot at Billy

19:15

for Billy, maybe taking a

19:17

swipe at Taylor's, uh, vinyl

19:19

production. Um, you know, being

19:22

like all these artists damaging

19:24

the environment by creating the same versions

19:26

of their albums for their fans to

19:28

buy over and over again. Do you

19:30

believe that you think

19:32

Dua Lipa is making a dent in the, um,

19:34

in the ozone, the ozone layer. I

19:37

just want to issue a challenge to

19:39

popcast listeners. If you own the 11

19:41

different versions of radical optimism,

19:44

send the photo to us and like, we're

19:47

going to reverse image search. So like, don't

19:49

just feel someone else deal one off the

19:51

Dua Lipa subreddit. Okay. Let's do a leap

19:53

of Brazil Twitter account. Like don't do that.

19:56

Uh, I'd like to see a photo, like, you know,

19:58

put like the days newspaper. Like a

20:00

hostage scenario if you could find the newspaper. Police

20:04

mind the newspaper on the I'd like to.

20:06

I'd like to see propaganda our time so

20:08

yeah please Mark as I went to I'd

20:10

love to see it's we're going back to

20:13

us but yes of them and then Billie

20:15

comes back with the with the vocals on

20:17

the email I don't know is aside built

20:19

this is is manufactured as this but it

20:21

is good Met in are we talk about

20:23

will pop stars need for them succeed Slip

20:25

Billy's going to do numbers. Show

20:28

as doesn't Ah, You.

20:30

Know happier than ever I would say

20:32

maybe like didn't stick around like he

20:34

would have expected for the sick the

20:37

second billie other minimum on this one.

20:39

it's only ten songs. I do think

20:41

there's a couple. Sneaky sits in

20:43

the Earth's yeah. I'm songs

20:45

I will will will be

20:47

around for awhile. Arms. Not.

20:50

To bring everything back to assess. but there

20:52

he did. Notices song called love of My

20:54

Life on here. Ah but it's in France.

20:57

Sure, Is as. I

21:00

know you as A as a L O

21:02

M L fan yes, ah from parter poets

21:04

I have Ah Jerseys or what is fluid

21:07

and Freddie an author someone who's burn and

21:09

or did he considers a fluent. The

21:12

answer cooling effect as I accidently either a

21:15

cast and when I have an hour i

21:17

myself I do in the back of a

21:19

casual. Viewers

21:21

have you been? have you Re

21:23

I lay a motel and this

21:25

year. But this. Is

21:27

one of the songs who is the Big

21:30

Beat? Switch and it has item. Has

21:32

like at Indy Sleaze back. How are you

21:34

ever lied about better term yeah the back

21:36

evidence is pretty fast I couldn't place as

21:38

like this is this is one of the

21:40

things are might. says. of this

21:42

is like of a reference to something that

21:45

i know in my bones but i can't

21:47

where i couldn't even when i know i've

21:49

you know do you know i agree it's

21:51

my your but never and loving specific yeah

21:53

but but it sounds like that yeah it's

21:56

like it's clear it is a little club

21:58

yet oh oh for baby Yeah,

22:00

that's a yeah, American Apparel was calling

22:02

out to me Um what

22:04

when I when I heard this obviously billy was like

22:06

not yet born But

22:08

or was was an infant? Um

22:10

any other song of in here that really spoke

22:13

to you about either where billy is now or

22:15

where she and finnius I mean, I really do

22:17

think the first half of this album is better

22:19

than the second half of this album. Um, I'm

22:23

just um Is it birds

22:25

of a feather? That's the one that I was talking. Yeah,

22:27

like like So yeah,

22:29

a little white rmb. Yeah, exactly Like

22:31

I think when I was listening to

22:33

that It's maybe the first time

22:35

in many years of listening to billy eilish where

22:37

I was like, huh? You

22:40

did the thing with your you know, it's like a

22:42

thing with your voice that I have not heard you

22:44

do before Yeah, she sounds up different. Yeah, and but

22:47

but not um Different

22:50

but not troubled different

22:52

but not aspiring to something

22:54

like the comfortable Yeah, this

22:57

maybe this has always been

22:59

Like under the metaphorically under the

23:01

clothing like there's always been this

23:04

and I wonder Do

23:07

you think why okay if you were to strip out

23:09

the vocals which they have and I haven't listened to

23:11

the stripped out vocals Do you think

23:13

that the songs? vocally

23:16

are structured less rigorously

23:18

than prior billy eilish

23:20

songs like on a

23:23

Song structure like verse chorus verse level.

23:25

Yeah Uh, maybe because

23:27

every song is two songs, you know,

23:30

like I I do think I think

23:32

there's a lot of hooks on here

23:34

and some standard Verses, but I

23:36

think there are a lot of like sweets,

23:38

you know, uh, and there's a song called

23:40

bitter sweet on here that I think Also

23:44

has that going for it. Um, but I

23:46

think I think there's lots of pieces and

23:48

I do think they I

23:50

think she and finniest think a little bit as

23:53

collage as collage artists and

23:55

producers. Um historically Yeah,

23:57

I I think historically and maybe

24:00

this is just where it's really where they're

24:03

really nailing it and it's coming into

24:05

focus but I do think because because

24:07

their bedroom they're a bedroom artist you

24:09

know what I mean like it both

24:11

literally and figuratively I think they're

24:13

working on these songs next to

24:15

each other for such long periods of time

24:18

they're pulling stuff from here and there you

24:20

know they're sampling weird things from their life

24:22

or you know I I did

24:24

like the joke or that the end the very last thing

24:26

you hear on the album is Billy saying so when can

24:28

I hear the next one which is

24:31

like I think they have

24:33

there's a lot of textures that they're playing with

24:35

and a lot of inside jokes

24:38

between them and I do think like they're

24:40

pulling pieces from different sessions and whatever and

24:42

I and I feel like yeah that's that's

24:44

pretty well realized on this album what do

24:46

you think that this album says

24:49

about the kind of pop

24:51

star that Billy Eilish intends to become because

24:54

I think prior to this album what I

24:56

would have said is frankly

24:58

something of a stubborn pop star

25:01

committed to a not an

25:04

unpopular style but

25:06

maybe not a bright style maybe not a

25:08

reach out and give you a hug well

25:10

smile at you kind of style definitely not

25:13

that maybe more like a console you when

25:15

you're sad kind of style but she

25:18

and Finneas felt really committed to it um

25:20

this is the first moment where

25:24

I'm like is she again not

25:27

conventional but like is there forgive

25:30

me an Adele album in her future

25:32

Adele style you know like is she

25:34

gonna go in a breathier heavier

25:38

but not claustrophobic direction does

25:40

she want to make songs

25:42

that are more frank

25:45

in terms of like obviously there's a lot of

25:47

sexual crankness on this album but does she want

25:49

to do things where

25:51

the lyrics themselves are a little bit tighter

25:53

a little bit punchier a little bit I

25:56

want to communicate a mood but

25:58

is she doing something that's like I'm want to

26:00

be chit-chatty and have

26:02

smaller phrases and kind of conversational

26:04

in a way. Like, Billie's never

26:06

felt conversational to me before. She's

26:08

always had some version of

26:10

that. I still see this as a quite stubborn

26:13

album. I still think they feel like we're going

26:15

to do only what we want to do. We're

26:17

going to live in our own little world, at

26:19

least until we don't as the duo. And

26:24

yeah, it's not really in conversation with whatever else.

26:26

Like there's no Post Malone feature on here. You

26:28

know what I mean? There's

26:30

no acoustic guitar. There's no, you

26:33

know, like I don't, I

26:35

still think Billie is going to

26:38

be a tourist, like in a

26:40

very specific way that I think a lot

26:42

of other pop stars at the

26:44

moment want to be seen that way, but are

26:46

not actually. And I think she's

26:48

on her own path and I think people will have

26:51

to come to her. As

26:53

far as like, I guess I don't think her

26:55

previous stuff, like this only

26:58

feels a shade different. Like

27:00

I think if you're listening to this not that

27:02

closely, it's, oh, of course this is a Billie

27:05

Eilish album. Like do you think she's had conversational

27:08

lyrics? I do think like she's

27:10

always been a pretty good economical,

27:12

not that mystical

27:15

of a writer. You know, I think

27:17

like, I think she's

27:19

like, you know, she's really, she's

27:21

internetty. And I mean that like as a

27:24

compliment. Like I think that she can, she

27:26

conveys like an intimacy that speaks

27:29

to, you know, people her age. I

27:32

do wonder if she's like, I wonder

27:34

if her fans are aging with her or

27:36

if young people are continuing to discover

27:38

her because I do feel like she's not really

27:40

the cool new thing. Like I don't think, like

27:43

I don't think she has the Olivia Rodrigo fans

27:45

necessarily, but I don't think she wants them. No,

27:47

although I will say, you know, and I

27:50

wonder what your experience of going to Billie shows has

27:52

been. I was expecting, and this is of course

27:54

a few years ago at this point, but like when I went

27:56

to the Radio City show, I remember walking in and thinking like

27:58

it's going to be a good. The be like all

28:01

the. The. Edgy ist. Teenage

28:04

Girls In New York. And. Will

28:06

your wasn't that uses all the teenage

28:08

girls in the trial that area. Ah,

28:10

and so I do think maybe there's

28:13

more overlap in the belly. And

28:16

Olivia. Fan. Bases

28:18

the maybe you would see men are you

28:20

saying now they have less to grab onto.

28:22

I think I think she's like weird

28:24

and us. She's. Quiet.

28:27

Enough, she only pops out really when she

28:30

want like I just. I

28:32

think she's. On her own. Planet

28:34

and I think that's where. She.

28:37

Belongs N n where she wants to be.

28:39

I don't think she's at the center of

28:41

anything. Okay, but how we gotten this

28:43

far into the conversation without saying the word

28:45

lord? Yeah, I think she's on the Lord

28:47

Pass, right? But like here's the thing. the

28:49

Lord past. Is I think lord

28:51

I mean in a melodrama? is I

28:53

think gonna be thou met stands and

28:55

for like Popstar refuse mixture ah turns

28:57

and for the next ten to twenty

28:59

years. I. Fundamentally,

29:01

believe that the music that Lord wants

29:04

to make ease. Eccentric.

29:07

Angular I don't want to go so

29:09

far say of our garden in the

29:11

way, but certainly lord I think wants

29:13

to make music and that I'm. Doesn't.

29:18

Go down as easily as royals. Yeah,

29:20

I think I'd be large preference. I.

29:23

Don't think that's what Billie I wish one

29:25

I don't uniting Billie I as wants to

29:27

make music. It goes down very easily. our

29:30

eyes and see once find another approach to

29:32

doing that. Which is why I actually don't

29:34

like. When I first was feeling like oh

29:36

this records or difference the first thing that

29:38

popped to mind was lord knows like no,

29:40

she's not doing that because she's not extending

29:42

a middle finger to. The. Use

29:44

of her. Could I have a reason for that? And I

29:47

talk to both of them about this, actually. Which is that.

29:50

Lord. Had a song that was bigger

29:52

than she is ever going to be.

29:54

Royals One of the biggest songs of

29:56

manner of the modern era. Yep. It

29:58

was bigger than her as an art

30:00

there's and it first was the first

30:03

thing people heard in Philly. they made

30:05

very clear probably with Lord on the

30:07

bulletin boards it was of their her

30:09

career was built very deliberately to never

30:11

have a song bigger bigger than her.

30:13

Yeah and that's why she was able

30:15

to get this critical mass. They're releasing

30:17

the keys never quite never sending us

30:19

on to radio like they didn't push

30:21

ocean eyes like if they wanted ocean

30:23

eyes. The soundcloud for some caught his

30:25

to be royals. You probably could have

30:27

happened but they. They. Hit the brakes

30:29

and they let her. Create.

30:31

A visual identity? A sonic identity. And

30:34

they went very slowly. Ah and I think

30:36

that's why I shall never feel the need

30:38

to do what Larded civil and lord new

30:40

and seen that same thing when I talked

30:42

alert on solar power. she was I. I.

30:45

I didn't even have to worry about trying

30:48

to make another royals because it's impossible voice.

30:50

he was such a lightning in a bottle

30:52

moments. Ah, and I think that. Set.

30:54

Them on different paths and Billie can

30:57

always be popular as Billie no matter

30:59

what music she makes, whereas Lord actually

31:01

did have to six something off and

31:03

say you'll never get this from me

31:05

a dance, which is why on solar

31:07

power, there's literally one elite sound, and

31:09

it's only when she's referencing hurled Media.

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33:12

John. I'm Joe. We're

33:14

gonna go into Songs of the Week, which

33:16

are not Dua Lipa songs. Not

33:18

yet. Not yet. She could

33:21

learn a thing or two from Tenasha. I

33:23

honestly think it's, I have felt,

33:26

why is it that every week we cover

33:28

somebody and think, if only

33:30

Dua Lipa did this? It's

33:33

like, I don't, it's verging on unfair.

33:35

But I do think this has come up at

33:38

least twice, maybe three times now. And I imagine

33:40

it might continue to come up for the

33:42

rest of the summer. Okay,

33:45

I thought last week was like a little bit

33:47

of a dud when it came to new songs

33:49

outside of the Billy record. So

33:51

we went back in time a couple of weeks.

33:54

And I found

33:56

a song that TikTok and

33:58

the meme world has. just this

34:02

is almost almost old-fashioned how this

34:04

tenache song is picking up. I

34:07

agree. So it's called nasty.

34:10

Um. You want planes to touch on

34:12

it? Yeah, just a little nasty. You

34:31

all know tenache. Tenache

34:33

has had, I want

34:36

to say maybe three

34:39

peaks, but no extreme

34:42

peaks over the last 10

34:45

years. Maybe some valleys, definitely some

34:47

valleys, but there's

34:49

been something stubborn and

34:51

persistent about tenache. I

34:53

asked you before we started recording how many albums

34:56

does tenache have? And I said no more than

34:58

two. And the answer is three on RCA and

35:00

three after that. Sorry.

35:04

Iron Mojo. Leading up to

35:07

the release of the second part of her

35:09

previous album, Baby Angel. This

35:11

is going to be Baby Angel part

35:13

two, Quantum Baby and

35:15

Nasty. Janelle Monae type B. Yeah, but Nasty

35:18

is working. Nasty came out like weeks ago

35:20

at this point. Yeah, it's more than a

35:22

month old. A weekend because

35:26

of, I'm like frazzled just thinking about like,

35:28

did they make this happen? Like is this fake?

35:32

It's such a kismet, you

35:34

know? It is. Well, there's

35:36

text-based memes, there's video-based memes. Take

35:39

us back though to Nate. Nate

35:41

Vibes. Oh, Nate DeWiner.

35:43

Nate DeWiner. Unbelievable. Okay,

35:46

so the

35:48

breakout moment for this

35:50

to Nastia Nasty TikTok snippet

35:54

is a clip of

35:56

a white gentleman. I

36:01

had a black woman dancing,

36:05

you know, doing sort of like Caribbean,

36:07

whining on each other, Caribbean

36:09

dance and, you know,

36:12

as if prepping for Carnival and

36:16

it's to the hook of

36:18

Tenashe is Nasty. That is the

36:20

video. That's edited video. No, no, no, I'm saying,

36:22

but like, that's the one that that's the one

36:24

that went viral. But it

36:26

went viral, I think, on Twitter. Like

36:29

someone took the original TikTok and

36:31

put Tenashe on it on

36:33

Twitter. Oh, I

36:35

thought they put Tenashe on it on

36:38

TikTok and then that was brought to

36:40

Twitter. I think the original TikTok is

36:42

him dancing to Bind. No, no, no,

36:47

no, no, I know the original. Yes, because the

36:49

original. So this gentleman has

36:54

a full account, you

36:56

know, dozens of videos. He

36:59

seems to be part of maybe a dance troupe. Everybody

37:03

finds him amusing. He finds himself amusing.

37:05

Like obviously he's doing like an overly

37:07

theatrical, like maybe lightly comedic version of

37:09

like look at me. I'm a little

37:12

bit of an awful. The memes in

37:14

there like Steve won Miranda

37:16

leaves the house. Jack

37:22

Anthony won Margaret Paul leaves the house and

37:24

it's him doing his dance. Just

37:27

a great form. I just

37:29

this particular meme ecosystem has so

37:31

many branches right now. I

37:34

was not fully tapped in with the

37:36

text based memes. So anyway, so that

37:38

video went really viral. I

37:41

think it was brought to Twitter by a

37:43

user called Javi at gruesome

37:45

with two S's and he just

37:47

said good morning and he put

37:49

nasty over. Okay,

37:52

know your meme dot gov. I

37:54

did my research. So I were here. And

37:59

then eventually. I think yeah, but we don't know then

38:01

astro blue don't know if it's astro turn No, we do

38:03

not know if a label is paying for this But don't

38:05

know too good as we said before like good if they

38:07

could do this they would do it all the time That's

38:09

true. All right. So I guess what we want to say

38:11

is if you as the label did pay for this Congratulations

38:16

you did great as always. Yeah,

38:18

um, and then at

38:20

one point tenashe herself Dances

38:23

like with this video in the background

38:26

right mimicking the moves Um

38:29

real full circle then you were pointing out

38:31

there's text me Yeah So then the lyric

38:33

in this song like is somebody

38:36

gonna match my freak or whatever or you're like

38:38

who's gonna match my freak? Then

38:40

people start tweeting about it. Someone called this. Wasn't that a

38:42

line in the Kendrick song? No

38:48

Someone said it was the existential question of our time Someone

38:51

to continue the sex in the city thread which I'm

38:53

gonna bring all the way home by the end of

38:55

this Yeah, wait someone said

38:57

I couldn't help but wonder Somebody

38:59

gonna match my freak and

39:01

then dovetailing beautifully with the

39:03

moment in challengers where

39:05

everybody is Interested in

39:08

matching each other's freak and love triangle.

39:10

Yeah Someone said as a

39:13

text prompt who are two

39:15

people who actually match each other's freak? Mm-hmm,

39:17

and then everybody started responding with images, you

39:19

know, there's a good one That's like Matthew

39:21

Lillard and and your boy from scream, you

39:23

know They match you service freak phantom thread.

39:26

Obviously, they match each other's freaking one

39:28

of my personal favorites Smith

39:31

Jared and Samantha yeah,

39:33

I'm sexy. I mean like like the

39:35

ultimate really the accurate matching each other

39:37

Yeah, you know and this has

39:39

been going all weekend and like soon to be in

39:41

a wedding vow near you. Yeah, I Knew

39:45

it when you matched my freak. I

39:47

knew we were beating other forever. And these are like

39:49

these are memes that I saw

39:51

existing parallel and I It

39:54

took me a second to realize that

39:56

the glue between them is nasty by

39:58

tenache who has been searching for

40:01

a breakthrough hit basically since

40:04

O.B. O'Brien and Drake jumped

40:06

on Tuon a decade ago.

40:08

So Tuon, genuinely

40:11

one of the great pop songs of

40:14

the 2010s. Irresistible.

40:36

Quick paste. Flick.

40:40

Day-Mustard. Early mustard

40:43

with red wine. I mean, talking about all

40:46

producer all-star mustard and Genajay.

40:51

Yeah, yeah. Day-Mustard red wine

40:53

production. Yeah, seriously. Talk about

40:55

those words you don't hear

40:57

a lot. And Nasty, we

40:59

realized, produced by Ricky Reed.

41:04

Quick sidebar. Why

41:07

doesn't Ricky Reed get more

41:11

acclaim? Like, why

41:13

is he not spoken about in the

41:15

same reverence as it's like, I feel

41:17

like he does a level work with

41:19

Lizzo, for instance. Yeah, but like, he's

41:22

getting like B plus acclaim. Right. Like,

41:24

nobody's fighting about him like they are

41:26

about Jack. Yeah.

41:28

And Ricky Reed, I think, has

41:30

an incredible, poppier, smart

41:32

songwriter. Also, what was the Ricky Reed solo

41:34

project called? There was like a side album.

41:37

You tell me. I don't know. It was

41:39

like low-key hitting, whatever it was. I

41:41

remember that being good. But

41:44

why are people not agitated about Ricky Reed

41:46

in a more serious way? I think he

41:48

has his favorites and he really commits to

41:51

them and they don't always work, which is

41:53

why the tenache I think working is so

41:55

beautiful because like Ricky Reed is also working

41:57

like has a great single with Dejlo. Like

42:00

somebody else who like the industry didn't

42:02

quite and the fans like fans didn't

42:04

quite let her go But they couldn't

42:06

get her over the line, you know,

42:08

it's just like but also days old

42:10

was like two years too early Yeah,

42:12

imagine these loaf today. I'm saying imagine

42:14

the days loaf sexy red Lola Brooke

42:16

album Altogether and I think

42:18

like Ricky Reed He

42:20

commits to working with artists that he really believes

42:23

in even when they're not hitting which is why

42:25

I do think So

42:27

it's just a feel-good moment if

42:29

nasty becomes like an actual 40

42:33

summer song feels like it's heading in that direction.

42:35

Yeah, why not? Um, and also I mean you

42:37

mentioned Drake on

42:41

To on the remix. Oh be

42:43

a soundcloud song. Um, you

42:45

know a time when Drake was hopping on

42:47

a Lot of different things rap

42:49

songs R&B songs. Oh, wow. Are you going where

42:52

I think you're going? No, I'm not going You

42:54

should hop on that see the light the sense

42:57

It's not the worst idea. I did cross

42:59

my I wasn't gonna say it's not the

43:01

worst idea. Can you take them? But

43:07

to me there's I will

43:09

say there's not a lot of There's

43:13

not a lot of air between two

43:15

on and that sure yeah, but it's

43:17

straight full circle Yes, but it's striking

43:19

how in 2014

43:22

or 13 or whatever to on

43:24

felt like of the moment and

43:26

futuristic and today nasty feels of

43:28

the moment But also futuristic it

43:31

feels like somehow The

43:33

cycle. Yeah, we're like stuck in we're like stuck

43:35

in the cycle somewhere. Okay, I see it a

43:37

little bit I feel like you throwback you think

43:40

it's a throw I think it's a little bit

43:42

like people people who are my age or like

43:44

remember when we were in our 20s But

43:46

when I hear this song there's something more the

43:49

thing that to on had that nasty doesn't have

43:51

is is to on is like So

43:54

much more like bulbous and thick. There's like

43:56

a tiny bit of a Scott city in

43:59

your mustard. Yes But like nasty is like

44:01

spare has like spared right feels a little

44:03

bit more You

44:06

hear the component parts separately and there's

44:08

something in that brokenness that feels a

44:10

tiny bit futuristic to me Oh, well

44:12

it but maybe also throw about like

44:14

don't you think there's some Janet reference

44:16

for Mike? Yeah, of course That's always

44:18

in the DNA here and Janet Jackson,

44:20

of course one of the great artists

44:23

who always sounds both Timeless

44:25

and futurist. Yes, and obviously like if you're gonna

44:27

put to Nosh in the legacy like you absolutely

44:30

should be to Nosh in the legacy of like

44:32

Janet Jackson's This

44:45

is Candidly I

44:47

heard the hook of this song you heard

44:49

the tiktok snippet. Yeah like 500

44:52

times before I press play on the actual

44:54

song and maybe there's that's actually what charts

44:56

really should be Tabulating

44:59

is how many times do you hear a snippet before

45:01

you press play on a real song? That's

45:04

actually what's a good ratio. I thought I'd like

45:06

a bad ratio. That is a bad one I'm

45:08

just I'm stopper. Yeah, also I'm stuck on dirt

45:10

on but I do wonder I wonder if there's

45:12

a conversion I wonder if anybody's running the stats

45:15

on this conversion. Sure. Um But

45:18

the song itself is also pretty good. Yep would not be

45:20

mad to hear it 500 more

45:22

times and I'm certain you will all summer long you

45:24

got a song of your own that you want to

45:26

recommend I do not of your own in that you

45:28

wrote a Okay,

45:32

speaking of virality, all right,

45:34

so I can't remember exactly how long ago this was

45:36

but this is maybe like February

45:40

a long time long time ago. It was a

45:42

lot of lives since February. I do not remember

45:44

February. Yeah Maybe it's

45:46

February. Maybe it was March A

45:51

Vertical video of a rapper

45:53

spitting like incredibly hard goes

45:55

viral not in

45:58

and of itself that interesting or unusual, except

46:02

the beat sounds like it's basically the

46:05

lean back beat. Maybe

46:07

it's a replay of the lean back

46:09

beat. It's in the family of lean back. Lean

46:11

back type beat. Yes, definitely. And

46:15

the rapper is in

46:18

India rapping and Punjabi

46:20

and rapping in like a very

46:22

distinctly what I believe to be New

46:25

York or New York adjacent cadence. You

46:27

would. I would. And

46:30

so obviously I saw this

46:32

and you see any

46:38

number of things on Twitter

46:41

where people like I

46:52

can't believe blank in blank

46:54

country is blanking this

46:56

way. Yeah. I tell you

46:58

drill. Great. Yeah.

47:03

My memoir title. So

47:08

there was that first wave of

47:10

like, hmm. And all the sort

47:12

of rap accounts were kind of

47:15

like, oh, this and a lot of like

47:17

old head guys like, you know, like maybe

47:19

rap writers of my generation or generation below

47:21

me who are very New

47:23

York centric. We're like, ah, you

47:26

know, globalizing the world. Now look,

47:28

I am. I'm completely confident that

47:30

there are probably like a thousand rappers

47:32

in India that literally make like young

47:36

thugs sound like rock. Marciado. Sure.

47:39

Like I'm sure there are flows happening that we haven't

47:41

even thought of. Yeah. The

47:43

absolute bonkers flows happening that I wish I

47:45

was like more tuned in with. There's

47:48

actually I came across man.

47:51

What was this? It was

47:53

a video of C.D. You must

47:55

wall and Mazi. Wow. Mazi

47:57

like obviously like a really good rapper. maybe

48:00

not the most eccentric flow guy, but like

48:03

interesting. And then you hear

48:05

the C.D. Moojwa stuff and it's like everybody in the

48:07

room is like. So

48:14

like those flows are possible.

48:16

Sure. This guy who's named.

48:18

Not doing that. Not doing that. His name

48:20

is the Ranger. He's in the pocket. He

48:24

is the pocket. He is literally the pocket. He's wearing

48:26

like a puff. You know, he's wearing like not a

48:28

North face, but it's like he's wearing like a puffer

48:30

coat. And

48:32

he's very much like. And

48:37

it's obviously incredibly legible, I think, certainly

48:39

to an American rap audience and certainly

48:41

like an older New York type rap

48:44

audience. He

48:46

got signed. Also, I did

48:48

a little digging on like what was happening

48:51

in the cyber. Yeah,

48:53

like and like what the scene is.

48:55

And there's like other videos of other

48:57

rappers who have like, I think, slightly

48:59

more unusual flows. But his is the

49:01

video that really went somewhere. And

49:04

so you got signed to Mass Appeal.

49:06

Mass Field's Indian division, I guess. Wow.

49:09

And they did. They cooked up a new beat. And

49:12

it's I think it's basically the same song. And

49:16

it's not as

49:19

viral as the original song, but it's

49:22

an interesting case study

49:24

in how hip-hop gets

49:26

globalized. And ways

49:28

that people become popular and

49:31

maybe can build careers in unexpected ways.

49:34

So this song is called Mukbala and it's

49:36

by the Ranger. What

50:01

has the internet been showing you this past

50:03

week? Okay, so I have sort of the

50:05

opposite of what you have, which is I

50:07

have no backstory. No backstory?

50:09

I have no backstory. You're just

50:11

here for the art? Yeah. No

50:14

narrative? But still a tale about discovery.

50:16

And like you said, what is the

50:18

internet showing you? You

50:20

know I'm a big fan of my For You feed. I do.

50:23

On x.com. Yeah. It's

50:25

well curated by Big

50:27

Elon and whatever algorithm he's been

50:30

cooking up. Hyper truck E. Yeah.

50:34

Sometimes people post a music video, they're like, it's

50:37

the best thing I ever heard. You

50:39

know, like whatever. How many times do you

50:41

click that? One out of every 12? Yeah,

50:43

maybe one. I don't know. That's an

50:46

estimate. More

50:48

so depending on the account. This

50:50

one came from at

50:52

Mr. Blueface. Shout out to you, not

50:55

the Blueface. Who's in jail? Okay.

50:58

Blue, B-L-E-U. Blueface. Do

51:01

we know who is that? I

51:03

don't know. Oh, I thought that

51:05

was like... Seems to be someone in

51:08

the rap blogosphere. Okay. An aficionado. An

51:10

aficionado. He said, this is my Frank Ocean.

51:13

Whoa. I'm going to

51:15

tell my kids this was Frank Ocean? Yeah. It

51:18

was like a still of a grill

51:20

and like a looks like film

51:23

camera, you know, a little fuzzy, a

51:25

little... Great. Whatever. I

51:27

clicked on it. Gunner style type. I clicked

51:29

on it. It's good. I watched the

51:32

music video. It's called Beltway by a kid called

51:34

Opal O.D. Great. It's from Prince George's County, Maryland.

51:37

Okay. And he made a really

51:39

artful song and music video

51:41

that is sure indebted to Frank Ocean. It's

51:44

a little rap. It's a little R&B. Your

51:46

favorite artist. Yeah. If

51:49

only, if only Frank

51:51

Ocean would use drums.

51:58

And it is funny that I clicked on it. You

52:00

know why? Because it was phrased in just a

52:02

way that it was like, this is better than

52:04

Frank Ocean. And I was like, I

52:06

like things that are influenced by Frank Ocean.

52:09

We played a, you know, McGee on the

52:11

show a couple of weeks ago. I

52:14

like Dijon. I like people who sound like Frank Ocean,

52:16

but make songs and put out music. Okay. We're gonna

52:18

actually, in the next segment, we're actually gonna talk a

52:20

little bit about that. Okay.

52:22

So this song is called Beltway. It's a good music

52:24

video. It's recent. Yeah. It

52:26

came out a couple of weeks ago. It

52:28

has very few plays. I don't

52:31

know. Again, maybe everything is Ash What's

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53:37

is snack chat time.

53:39

Um, we have, okay,

53:41

so I have some things I want to

53:43

talk about from last week. And

53:46

to do that, we were going

53:48

to say we're going to do one of

53:50

these snacks. Yeah. And then maybe

53:52

we're going to do the other of these

53:54

snacks. We had a choice. And then between

53:56

two foreign, our senior producer, various

53:59

students. said surf and

54:02

turf yes here

54:04

we are with surf and turf

54:07

snack chat what do we got

54:09

all right we got Chinese mmm

54:11

bugles what flavor you

54:13

love bugles I do love you was

54:16

I love to me caramel bugle ray

54:18

that's crazy what

54:21

is crazy about it that's supposed to be

54:23

a savory snack but a sweet version of

54:25

it and a bit like crazy

54:28

which I'm snot caramel

54:30

bugles is like caramel

54:32

bugle the crack on the caramel

54:35

bugle when you like the

54:37

shatter of it so

54:39

satisfying so really weird

54:41

I mean caramel bugles here's how

54:43

good caramel bugles are is

54:46

I have been physically ill numerous

54:49

times because overeat over

54:51

eating caramel bugles because they are

54:54

so good that's how good caramel

54:56

bugles are anyhow I do

54:58

like bugles in general these are the translation

55:01

is barbecue but

55:03

the image she

55:05

I say what

55:09

happened if we had a starfish

55:11

but made it steak yeah okay

55:13

yeah it's it's a it's a

55:15

very well-seasoned that's what

55:17

it says no no I see it oh

55:19

my eyes see the seasoning like the ranch

55:22

last week yeah yeah you know not the

55:24

bugle but the the photo of the star

55:26

shaped steak looks very well

55:28

okay great and then we

55:31

have high what

55:33

look to be scallop flavored lays

55:36

surf rager those are ridged

55:38

oh yeah yes limited

55:40

edition extra scallop extra scallop

55:42

oh scallop with white cream

55:45

sauce so

55:47

yeah all right look I'm an

55:49

enthusiast I love a good scallop

55:52

I don't you love I do

55:54

like a really really hardy right

55:56

so yeah your your death row

55:59

meal is Yeah,

56:01

so when you're when you're on death row for loving carol bugles too

56:03

much That

56:12

will be your final well, no and I'm

56:14

a death row for never admitting that ranch

56:16

is good Yeah, that when I'm kicked out,

56:18

it's huge. It's true. That is a crime

56:20

against America They're

56:24

gonna are they gonna stop me at like something

56:26

like airport outside of me And be

56:28

like before we can let you into the city we guys

56:30

see if you like ranch is good. Yeah all

56:33

right, you're starting with the scallops

56:35

and I'm starting with the Barbecue.

56:37

Hmm. Not not much of a barbecue

56:39

scent here. There's definitely

56:41

a scent here Um

56:47

You know what I did last week, what'd you do? One

56:50

shows oh you had to concert scrunch

56:52

a concert multiple concert multiple concerts I

56:55

did double header on one night Shaboozie,

56:58

mm-hmm and McGee. Mm-hmm to

57:01

song of the week Graduates

57:04

along us. Yeah, it was

57:07

supposed to go on separate nights, but I had a migraine Thank

57:10

you for asking me if I was permanently in

57:12

feeble Did

57:15

have a rough week help was how

57:17

was shaboozie? Mmm tough room did tipsy

57:19

go off had to leave before tipsy

57:21

Okay, so you didn't you didn't see

57:23

what you came for no, but that

57:25

show so I asked the

57:27

concert was booked before cowboy Carter

57:29

actually Wow. Yeah, but

57:32

was it sold out before cowboy Carter was not

57:34

so well because I talked to a

57:36

popcast fan came to say hi

57:39

You know, I said, oh you're at a shaboozie

57:42

like How are you at a

57:44

shaboozie show and he said to me a shout out

57:46

to you by the way He

57:48

said to me that after cowboy

57:50

Carter He was interested

57:52

his interest was peaked saw that there

57:54

was a show and purchased tickets So

57:57

this was nothing. This is that babies. All right. Mm-hmm Which

58:00

is 300 people in that room? Sure.

58:03

Call it 400 on a good day? Sounds

58:05

like a lot. Yeah, so 300 people. Very

58:09

very very packed. They had all the

58:11

doors open. Usually there's a door closed between the

58:13

bar section and the venue part. All

58:16

the doors were open. Bugles are good by the way. I don't

58:18

know if they taste like anything but they're good. We'll

58:20

trade them. How was

58:22

Shaboozie? Shaboozie was there were a number of people

58:25

there who were clearly there's there for tipsy. Something

58:28

like maybe didn't quite know what to do with

58:30

this earlier stuff which is not all country-ish. You

58:33

know he did songs that were rap songs. They did songs

58:35

that felt like country songs. It was a

58:37

little awkward. It was a tough room. You know how that

58:39

room is. It's like the head is

58:41

like almost at the ceiling. Crowd

58:44

was like half there. But

58:46

also I did have to leave early. I did have to

58:48

leave because I had to get to McGee. And

58:52

I want to say when you had

58:54

McGee here's your song of the week. I was like this is cool.

58:56

I'm into this. And to be

58:58

honest I never totally understood the D-zone thing.

59:01

Never totally clicked for me. I tried. I feel like it

59:03

was like one of those things and was that last year

59:05

or the year before? Like two years ago right?

59:07

A couple of years. I feel like it was one of those things

59:09

where everybody was like why are you not on

59:12

this? And I'm just like just never

59:14

totally hit for me. Wow these scallop

59:16

chips are very seafoody. I was going

59:18

to say they're and they're so condiment

59:21

heavy. I feel like I taste the sauce. You taste

59:23

the white cream sauce. Yeah whatever that I taste that

59:25

more than I. You taste the seafood

59:27

more? I taste the sea. Yeah which I

59:29

never feel with seafood flavor junk food. Um.

59:33

You know shrimp chips maybe but this is

59:35

like a mouthful of the ocean. It's

59:40

a lot. I couldn't eat a

59:42

whole bag of these. I need a toothbrush.

59:44

Yeah. These have too much flavor

59:46

on the bugles. These have not enough. Not enough.

59:49

The bugles. Don't turn to the McGee show. First

59:52

of all. Obviously you

59:54

can make some jokes. Tamer

59:56

and Bala for example. Continue

59:59

a marriage. I'm not

1:00:02

gonna stand on that. That's truly business. I'm standing

1:00:04

on. Yeah. No, I was talking like

1:00:06

um, I saw The

1:00:08

friend of the show Chris who actually designed

1:00:10

the pop gas logo. Mm-hmm. Who's there shout

1:00:13

out Chris? Jeanette Ava everybody

1:00:15

was there and he was like,

1:00:17

oh, you know, it's like it's Phil Collins to

1:00:19

these kids Like these kids have never heard Phil Collins. But like

1:00:21

they think that's what that's what this is to them You

1:00:25

know, I was just like, you know, it's

1:00:27

like your man's man's taming Bella cover man,

1:00:29

you know It's like that's the I was

1:00:31

the preliminary energy this guy

1:00:35

ripped What

1:00:38

they say absolutely He

1:00:41

ripped whoever was on like, I

1:00:43

mean there was no like drum kit But

1:00:45

like whoever's on like percussion bleeps and bloops.

1:00:47

Yeah ripped only

1:00:50

three people on stage, I think um, I Was

1:00:54

incredibly impressed with how they

1:00:56

played with dynamic They

1:00:59

had a really Casual

1:01:03

off-hand way of filling

1:01:05

with space and

1:01:09

He obviously is not a public kind

1:01:11

of figure. Yeah, but people like the

1:01:13

enigma Yeah, like he's being lit from

1:01:15

behind so like the beam of

1:01:17

light is coming out to the The

1:01:20

crowd from behind his head. It's a lot of

1:01:22

hair a lot of hair. I was very

1:01:26

and these Scout the scallop

1:01:28

is like I Can't

1:01:30

believe how scallop these are It's

1:01:33

really funny because I really taste the cream, but I

1:01:35

don't taste the scallop them. I

1:01:37

hit my sodium prize. What's back Yeah, get one of

1:01:39

the dark one and get one of the heavy, you

1:01:41

know, get one of the have a heavily soft ones

1:01:45

Yeah, he's a star right? He's star It

1:01:47

was the music of a star. It's not clear if

1:01:49

he wishes sure to start But like he

1:01:52

was definitely the music of a star I

1:01:56

Kind of like a me. Okay this

1:01:58

one whatever one I just had Yeah. Wow.

1:02:00

Yeah. That was fresh out

1:02:03

of the scallop counter at all things. You

1:02:10

need a seafood guy. Lay

1:02:12

style and they have a seafood guy.

1:02:14

It's limited edition because they're only so

1:02:16

many down there harvesting all the scalp.

1:02:18

Yeah, this. Anyway,

1:02:21

McGee, absolutely

1:02:23

ripped. Um, guitar

1:02:26

tone. You know,

1:02:28

I don't get excited about guitar. I've never

1:02:30

heard you say the words guitar tone, but

1:02:33

like, um, pugnacious,

1:02:36

attitudinal, serrated,

1:02:40

um, like, angry

1:02:42

in times, like angry at moments, and

1:02:45

sort of the guitar playing. Yeah, the

1:02:47

guitar playing and like, kind

1:02:50

of like curiously ambitious, like there's

1:02:52

some clear 80s like arena rock

1:02:55

referencing in the back, but

1:02:57

also kind of like sleazy

1:02:59

at the same. It's like somehow like

1:03:01

both like velvet underground and guns and

1:03:03

roses. Wow. Like somehow both of those

1:03:05

things get touched on. Anyway, uh,

1:03:08

really impressive. Great night.

1:03:11

Uh, was glad I was able to catch it.

1:03:13

We'll never mispronounce McGee again. I actually,

1:03:15

I thought about

1:03:18

this and I forgot to do it, but I was

1:03:20

gonna play the voice note where you were getting corrected

1:03:22

on your pronunciation of the game. Sorry. Sorry, Bradley. Yes.

1:03:24

What about you? Do you do anything this week? No,

1:03:26

I'm gonna go to the concert again, eventually. No, you

1:03:28

didn't do anything. You know, nothing you want to talk

1:03:30

about. Um, I have a child.

1:03:32

You know what I want to do next. I

1:03:34

don't want to talk about the next that

1:03:36

was very depressing for everyone involved. I'm so

1:03:39

glad like it's on nights like

1:03:41

last night where I'm glad I'm not a Knicks

1:03:43

fan. Okay, I guess I want to say my

1:03:45

two weeks of Knicks fandom. Welcome

1:03:48

to the team. Yeah, really. I

1:03:50

tapped out so heavy. You're just

1:03:52

like, I'll never watch this again.

1:03:54

Honestly, I felt it was really

1:03:56

draining. Yeah. All right.

1:03:58

What are we on the scout? Yes, also these

1:04:01

scallops do look very seasoned as well.

1:04:03

Just like the thing. Yeah, which the

1:04:05

steak was under seasoned ultimately I'm going

1:04:07

for on the bugles What

1:04:09

do you go on this? I respect it so much

1:04:13

That the scallop lays are a seven out

1:04:15

of ten like I don't want to eat anymore. My stomach

1:04:17

hurts a little bit. I Just

1:04:20

I'm impressed. I'm impressed. It's the

1:04:22

it nailed the flavor It's

1:04:25

like, you know, you're reviewing an album. You're like meeting on

1:04:27

its own terms Not what I

1:04:29

wish it was But you respect

1:04:32

you honor its commitment. Yeah what it

1:04:34

is attitudinal Kicking

1:04:42

seven out of ten. Okay

1:04:45

in the bugles for a

1:04:47

boring like basically plain bugles. I agree

1:04:51

not much more interesting the regular bugles,

1:04:53

but I'm on

1:04:55

it. I'm not offended by them in any way. I give

1:04:58

that a five and a half for

1:05:00

the barbecue steak bugles I'm

1:05:04

in the scallop lays is tough cuz

1:05:07

like you look at it through one framework. It's like an

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